Laughter is the Best...Investigation?

Fannie Pack mishap, so she's looking for it. We've upgraded sometimes Dmitri to just regular Dimitri, almost regular Dmitri. But lucky for us, we have a guest host today who's a dear friend of mine, and she's absolutely hilarious as a sketch performer, actress, stand up comedian. You may know her from a very long list of credits, and I'm just still learning how to read so I can name a few of them. How I Met Your Mother, Jimmy Kimmel Live the comedy Get Down. She's featured for Martin Lawrence.

She's toured with Cat Williams. She's the winner of the she Devil Festival in the American Black Film Festival Comedy Wings competition, which was sponsored by HBO, and she's performed at jfl's New Faces. It's Technique Springs. What's up everybody out there? Hey Leah, Hey to Matre Technique. First of all, let me just say, I think you're the only person to ever come on this podcast and wear a color, so thank you so much. Um, we always wear this

black or white. It's very bleak. I think that's a comedian thing too, because we love to wear all black. I love to look like I can talk at night and the and just show up at the party and also look like I work at a place. I mean, I will say that. When I came onto the pod this morning, the first thing I said is no one commented on the fact that I'm not wearing a black turtle neck and you we I'm wearing a turtle night.

But also you said it in the first like three seconds, like the thing the camera popped on and she goes, I can't believe no one said anything. Who well, I just need as much attention as possible, you know that. I think the first crime we can address today, by the way, is how I drew my eyebrows on, but we can get to that later. You know. It's like they say, they should be sisters, not twins, but they

shouldn't be like two different species. I don't know what I've done here anyway, Technique, Hello, thank you for coming on today. Um, so just give us We'll give us us a little backstory about how we met. Did we Did we meet during the pandemic? Yeah? We pandemic meters. Oh man, this might be one of the only relationships that still lasted throughout the pandemic. Yes, because we didn't actually you know, date. Uh yeah, of course that lasted.

You could just last on regular friendships or pandemic just dating was just horrible. Yeah. So this is what it's like to meet someone and not hook up with them. How dare you to get I'm hurt. I'm hurt, Um officer, please arrest this man. Okay. So, yeah, we met during the pandemic. Uh, Tephany, you dazzled me with your comedic

abilities immediately. You're hilarious. Okay. Also questions for you, do you have any true crime cases that you love or anything that you think is booming right now that you're super interested in I look. I love the show snapped. Um, just in case I've ever put in this situation where I have to kill somebody, I want to see all the things that people are doing wrong, so I make sure that I don't do the wrong thing, you know

what I mean. So it's a way of getting in the mind of crime, just in case you ever have to break it out, you know what I mean. Yeah, this is my explanation as well. Yeah. Yeah, I'm just like, I need to know exactly how I might be killed so that I could be prepared for every situation. Well. Yeah, and I've already proposed that it's best that if women killed naked, because one of the major rules is you should never kill somebody when they have their back turn

to you. They always have to be forcing facing you. So in order to continue lee get that those eyes on you, it's best to be naked and it killed because people just can't think about it. You can't keep your eyes off someone that's new. Okay, So I need to stop sleeping in pajamas, is what you're saying. All right, Okay, good one, Thank you for the hot tip. Love that. Okay. Also, defniqu you have a huge presence on TikTok. And we do see a lot of true crime on TikTok as well,

which is wild and interesting. What do you love about TikTok? What was your first video? Tell us a little more about your TikTok experience. My first TikTok was just basically just taking all my other content that was on other platforms and just putting it on there and just building a new audience from it. But one thing I do love about TikTok is a portion of it has become

about true crime. You have people that are really cracking the cases, and if they're not cracking the cases, they're giving national exposure to things that we would have overlooked, which is one of the cases we're talking about today. Yes, and we first noticed it during the Gabby Petito Brian laundry case, which we'll be talking about later. But I think that sort of exploded the true crime genre on TikTok, which is pretty pretty great. We're very excited about it, Okay. Also,

I just want to say TikTok is wild. I had four hundred followers on TikTok last week, not to brag, and then I posted a crowd work video and now I have thirty six thousand followers, and I know, I know, case like you know anything to write home about. But still I was like, Okay, I've been working ten years to grow my Instagram. I just hit fort k and I'm about to surpass it in one week of being on TikTok. Same for me because the TikTok I'm at

two million verses. Instagraere I'm five hundred and fifty thousands, So you can't here is so hard because you know what you think about it, It's like, that's a lot of followers. But then he may have somebody looking at your following life. Thirty six thousand, that's a lot of followers. So it just depends on the tier and who's looking up to you. Yeah, yeah, I guess it's all about perspective anyway. Um, all right, so let's what's kind into

some hot topics for to day. And this is a TikTok murder, well, a murderer allegedly, oh boy, alleged, this is what this is what the podcast should be called. Allegedly. I mean it's the only word I forget to say all the time. Anyway, So allegedly a murderer who was also a TikTok star. So we have heard about this case a while ago from Jin Kidd. If you want to give him a look up on TikTok, it's j I N N k I D and his TikTok was already populated with sketches of him as Scarface and several

other bad boys. Yes, precisely. Okay, So he's been accused of murdering his wife and also another man. Ali bou Laban had a number of outbursts during the continuation of his preliminary hearing. He interrupted San Diego Police Detective Christopher Leary's testimony as he as his attorney question him regarding the relationship between him and his wife and Raymond Barron, who was the other man he was also fatally shot. So detectives say that the video showed him going to

his estranged wife's apartment. Yes, she wanted a divorce, followed by the round of six gunshots. So it was a revealing court that they actually did have a very rocky marriage prior to the shooting, and she wanted to leave a k at the divorce, and days before the shooting, he actually moved out of their apartment and just before the detective finished his testimony, this guy has another outburst, prompting the judge to call for a break, and he's

been escorted out of the courtroom. Now, I haven't been on trial before, but that's what you're supposed to do, right, have an outburst and cut off the judge and kind of make it like show that you're angry. Right, that's what you're supposed to do if you're trying to get a a misfit trial and basically claim insanity for shooting two people close range, uh, close range in the face. So yeah, if you want to try to claim that, absolutely you should just start. Ah, you should just be

yelling out crazy stuff doing a trial. Okay, So what's my excuse when I do that in my bedroom? Basically, you want to kill to sex? You know me? Stop it. I'm over it. I think I think this is why I'm single, but I'm not sure it. Also, maybe white guys keep coming back for sex. They're just like, she's so crazy, that's it. End of sentence. Um. Yeah, At the end of the preliminary hearing, the judge determines that

he will stand trial on murder charges. Okay, so I think all the evidence is pointing to perhaps that there may be homicide involved allegedly. Really try and tiptoe around this one. But I think if you're having outbursts um while standing trial not a good look. I think still is because the type of outbursts that he had. He said, you think I wanted this. My whole life is ruled because you allegedly shot two people in the face. You're wrong, y'are old like. So it's like a part of narcissism.

It's like, are you serious? Like you you potentially committed these crimes and they were premeditating. I actually have a spyware set up in your house the prey. Is it weird that I'm attracted to this guy? He was handsome though, and then I did like his impersonations. I was like, okay, you could break all of that. Yeah, and I've always wanted to have a conjugal visit. Could it be with

someone that stole something from a store? So does it have to be someone who was allegedly committed a double hums? Wait wait, wait, Daphne, can we go back to the fact that you installed spyware and I never did it? This guy did it. I've stopped. I just used my regular body as a spywere Um, I'm not that technical savvy where I would just like have an I pass that up to me. That's investing too much when I can just invest myself in my time and you need

nothing but gas money. What did you do? How did you find people looking for? Yeah? I found what I was looking for. I remember one time. The worst I've ever been is hiding in bushes and looking through windows, and I know it filled me enough too. If I had access to a weapon, I probably would have used it, but thank god I didn't have that accessibility. That's why people shouldn't be allowed to buy weapons. And so we were in the bush. How close were wed to the house? Um?

I paid on myself a little bit because I started to see stuff and I really had to go to the bathroom, but I couldn't stop looking. So I was pretty close. I will say about ten ft because you don't want to get too close and then you're busted and then rumors are starting that you're crazy. You want people to find out you're crazy on the your their own and not from here saying yeah, because from ten feet away you can just be like, oh my gosh, I was just being in the bushes. I didn't even

realize that he was in there having sex. Yeah, being near his house is just called marking your territory. Absolutely and okay. And this only happened one time. Um, I have no recollection of the other times. UM My attorney told me not to speak on it. Uh. I just think we should move forward. You know what's so interesting. I have thought so many times about doing a drive by, you know, when you just know that something's going on, Yeah,

you want to just catch them. And then I just never did it, and I really regret not doing it, But there's still time for me. I stopped doing it because l A traffic was really bad. Yeah, you know, it's not worth an hour and a half of time and to be seen back just thinking about all the stuff that pished you off and another car is stand still stopped in front of you. So it was just like the time traveled for me. It's awkward. It's awkward leaning out the window and yelling I missed the four

play let's go. I think it's time for us to move on to our next case. And we had talked about this case last week and I have actually confused about what I'm about to read you, so I'm just gonna follow up on this case right now. So Lawrence smith Fields, who we spoke about last week, she died after her bumble date, and they have now ruled her

death accidental, which allegedly no one believes. Okay, So her relatives believe that she did not die from an accidental overdose and that this demands a more exhaustive investigation of what happened. And the family's lawyer says, this looks a lot like manslaughter, it looks like murder, and they need to start acting a little faster on this. And they said that she died of acute intoxication due to the combined effects of fetanel, which I believe that we predicted

last episode, fetanol, permethazine, hydroxine, and alcohol. So her death was ruled an accident. And I think that this is kind of an astonishing ruling for a lot of people because it doesn't at all seem like that, and it doesn't seem like they did exhaustive research at all. In fact, I'm not sure if they ever even interviewed Matthew la Fountain, who was her bumble date and the last person to see her alive, and the evidence looked a lot different

from the story that he was telling officers. So I mean, is that where you start the last person to see her alive? Is that where you start with it with the investigation? Well do you do you guys think foul play? Is that hand here? Absolutely? Uh? And looking at Matthew Lafartage, I think that he is the prime suspect. Right. He has the attractiveness because when I looked at his first look at his photo, I was like, oh, he kind

of cute. I was like, no, bitch, swipe left, you know what I mean, don't get caught into his looks. And do you look at Dmitri and see something similar? Damn, Now that you say it, Oh my god, I though, so I'm I'm over the hump from that perfect Okay, Okay, you paged out, you missed your prod okay. And also another serial killer trade is superficial charm. And if he was able to report and call the police and the police are like, oh, this guy's he's a really nice guy.

This guy has superficial charm. And also I will say this, lady's when you're on these dated websites, never trust a man who has a hiking photos, he know where to hide the body. This is exactly what happened when the police stopped Gabby Petito and Brian Laundry. They literally fist bump him like he seems like a good guy, no superficial charm. Yes, hikers out outdoorsy men and sorry Dmitri, but bald with a beard is it's never the right look.

And ya also intelligent. I'm not intelligent, and I don't hike. I just lost my hair. That's not a crime. Leo, you lost it? Did you check the loss in pounds? It's with Teddy's Fannie back. It's gone. It ain't coming back. Um. Yeah, but I think it's pretty clear that there's foul play allegedly. But the question is is it foul play or were they like partying or did he slip or something like? Did he did he intend to kill her? Type of foul play or was he just drugging her? Or what

do you think happened there? But still drugging somebody is still consider foul play. Here's the thing, right, um. Another thing that they was mentioned. He said he claimed that they were drinking tequila and that her brother showed up and she went outside and got a package from the brother and went in the bathroom for ten to fifteen minutes. At me, as a black woman, if I went to go get some cocaine that might have been laced with betting off from my family member, I would feel comfortable

doing it in front of a white person. I wouldn't feel comfortable in front of a black man, but I would feel comfortable in front of a white man. So that gives me to believe that it was found boy, because I'm like, why would you not be comfortable in front of guy with a hiking photo. I also think it's rude. She didn't share, you know, very very well. They also said, right, she went in, she went in the bathroom, and then at some point he said they

went from tequila to more tequila, but with mixers. Right. And he also said she went to the bathroom and vomited. Right, Is it possible he's he slipped something? Why? I mean, why do you She passed out and he picked her up, took her to the bed, and fell asleep next to her. He woke up, she had a bloody nose and wasn't breathing. This is not adding up, like and when the family went to the apartment. They saw blood in the middle

of the bed, spreading out to the right. And if you're on the bed, why would she be in the middle where the blood is. Oh, and that makes that that makes perfect sense for foul play. It does. Also the other thing is it's almost feels odd that he would bring up the detail and then she got something from her brother and then went to the bathroom and she was in there and then came back out. And

what it's like he created an alibi for himself. Absolutely, And guess why he had plenty of time to do it, because they didn't even really pay attention to this case and sol six weeks later. And let me just say this, ten the fifteen minutes in alcohol time, Why was you able to measure time so well? Because when I drank, I don't know what time it is ten or fifteen minutes. I wouldn't be like she was in there two hours.

I would have known down to a minute. That's suspicious. Also, let's be honest, if she was having cocaine laced with fetan al and she went into the bathroom, did it and came out, she would have probably passed away much faster. In the bathroom, because if if your stuff is laced with fetan al and you get killed from the fat and al, you usually usually die where you stand. Yeah, you're you're I mean she would have made it out the bathroom. No, exactly, So that's what leads me to

believe it that there might be some foul play. Absolutely, and he final thoughts before we move on to our next case for today. I just feel like they need to take his account a bumble because if he still getting swiped on. Yeah, all right, you guys, we're gonna take a quick break before we head into the next case. We'll be r B. Get a cup of coffee, have a glass of wine, you'll need it for this next one. And welcome back to Real Time Crime, my friends and

social sluits. Also, if you're enjoying our new episodes, make sure to let us know on social media. We're on Instagram at Real Time Crime Pod. I'm Leo Lamar. You know Dmitri Poppus. We've got Dafnique Springs here. We'll talk about this a little later and of course, our dear Teddy Mellencamp. Let us know your thoughts and if you have any ideas about cases that you've loved or anything that you've heard so far that you also have some thoughts on. We want to hear him. D m S

will respond, just you know, don't be a weirdo. Okay, this next case. Virginia woman arrested after gun threat over school mask mandate. Okay. Virginia police say they arrested a woman on Friday who threatened to bring loaded guns to her children's school in post and protest of a mask mandate during a school board meeting, prompting school officials to increase security. Are we sure this is an Orange County? Okay?

I just like okay? The parent, Amelia Reffner King, was charged with making a verbal threat while on school property and released by a job A job am I okay? Okay? Um? Can I flee? Released by a judge on a five thousand dollar bond. The Larrey Police Department said, no mask mandates my child. My children will not come to school Monday with the mask on. All right, that's not happen, King told the school board during a comment period on Thursday.

And I will bring every single gun loaded and ready, she said, before being cut off because she had passed the three minute speaking limit. I didn't understand why they cut her off. It's like let her continuously incriminate herself. That's why I was so easy for her to come up with a lie and claim that's not what she meant because they cut her off. And you know what, I know she had guns and she was talking about real, actual metal guns with ammo is because she was so calm.

People who will shoot you, they never be like I kill you. That's people that ain't gonna do. Anybody to say, hey, I'm bringing my guns and i'll see you Monday. Hey Monday, you better disappear. But technique, imagine someone being on stage at the comedy store, the laugh factor, the improv and they're actually telling a joke about how they murdered someone. They get the light and like, well, I guess you

will have to wait until we never get to hear it. Yeah, if you're up next year, Like that's okay, I'll take time out of mind let them finish. Okay, we were just about to get the confession. Come on, oh boy, okay, And as she turned to leave, she told the board I'll see all Monday. She then emailed the school Word to say she didn't actually mean to threaten by her. Um, I in no way meant to imply all guns loaded as an actual firearms. Did you just mean these guns

metaphorical guns? Guys? Come on, I pointed to my non existent muscles for anyone who can't see this, but rather all resources I can muster to make sure that my children get to attend school without masks. My sincere apologies for my bich poor choice and words. The police department said she's cooperating. Um, I'm there. Her husband was like, why didn't you do that? Honey? She was like, what

they're trying to make to wear masks? Now, I would say I agree with her parents skills, like because I'm that because parents in the future where I'll show up to the school and be like yeah, and I'll come back Monday with my goods loaded. But I'll do it if you're bullying my child, but I'm not gonna do it over a mask. But to each his own. You can't tell somebody what's important to them. No, I think kill nobody. She was just basically saying, I'm gonna let

y'all note that I stay ready. So I just gotta know that school shootings are a sensitive topic. So absolutely wrong. Poor choice of words is not it's not even doing what she said justice. I mean that's insane. Yeah, she's piled it out pretty clearly. I feel like if she goes to jail, she'll probably be like a mob boss in there, because she's already like on some olds are type of you know the wife on os Are. She's already Marty Birds like wife Right to Die. She's about

that life. Yeah, I'm surprised that she's not passing out drugs to kids and really just starting them young. She seems like the parties at her house and she's like, hey, you've never had a beer before. You're a whip Damn I'm all a teen. Yeah, she's like, I'm not a regular mom, I'm a cool mom. Hold my gun. It's like what um. This reminds me of the Christa Stephano nine eleven joke. Have you ever heard it? No? Oh?

Nothing makes me laugh harder. If you're listening to this episode, just you can hit pause, but don't but wait till the end of the episode, but google Christa steph No. Nine eleven joke. It's at the Comedy Seller and he talks about how he gets expelled from school, and his dad was a straight up mafia boss and walks into the principles of and basically just threatens the principle so that he doesn't get expelled from school. He gets unexpelled

from school. And I'm like, you know, I kind of wish I had a parent like that, just someone who really had my back. You know, some time threats for me just no one. No one threatened people for me. So I don't really feel like I was loved. I feel like you just didn't get in trouble. So what was the threaten? That's correct, Like Liam might have been a bully, The threats came from inside that person. You know what's so funny for some out call the cops. You like, you know what if you can call Lob,

I can't even stand up for you. Yeah, I was. I was the Karen in my own household. Uh no, you know, I was actually a really good kid. I was very afraid of my parents, and so I never wanted to do anything wrong. And now I just feel like that's why I'm so rebellious as an adult. I wish I had gotten it out in my teens. I wish I'd gone to jail as a kid just for one night, so I could have just been like a normal adult. I don't never wish to go to jail. You know who says I wish I'd going to jail

as a kid, someone that's never been to jail. Okay, because I've been and I don't want to go back. I did to jail, and the thing that bothered me. I went to County jail. I did twelve hours hard time. And the thing that bothered me the mooast about there is that when they searching your food, they gave you a bologney sandwich, and they gave you cookies, and they gave you mashed potatoes, which is not a complete meal, but they will put all this on a wet food trade.

So imagine the bread absorbing the water, the cookies absorbing the water, and the mashed potatoes rejecting the water. It was just a recipe for disaster. It was enough for me to never want to go back. If the food was good, I could go back to jail because I feel like I'll get a lot of righting done. Okay, So just to be clear, what's at the RECIPI in twelve hours hard time, in twelve hours soft time, um, twelve hours, twelve hours, hard, hard times. I stayed up

all night like this, but nobody better touch me. And people was like, hey, we only in here for a day two. I'm like yeah, but I gotta watch my back. Never like, uh, no one cares. Yeah, They're like, we're just in the drunk tank. Could you come down? Pretty much? Pretty? But I got in a fight with my boyfriend. It was people. It wasn't me. I was actually disturbing the piece. But somebody else had gotten in a fight with their boyfriend. Uh, somebody did wrote some bad check, so it wasn't it

was none. And there we ten feet outside our ex boyfriend's house when we got caught by the police. No, this is me, uh talking crap to a police officer, and she showed me that she was a police officer. She really had no real grounds to arrest me because I just basically was heckling a police officer and she was like, oh you want to hecklely. She was like, do you like bologna sandwiches, cookies and mashed potatoes because

we can go and you're like, let's do it. Wow, No greens, I noticed and that meal hump, No, that's why everybody in jail got a fat ass? Damn Well, don't let the secret out. There gonna be a lot of women suddenly lining up to get in. So instead of going to Dominican republica yeah, instead of instead of getting as implants, they're like, I heard you get a really fat assim jail just a line of white women. Okay, so cats out of the back. Wait, So Dechnique, why did you go to jail? Like did you no? No?

Like did she like randomly did you start shipped on the street or did you pull you over? No? Starting something? Walking? I was walking. I gotta rested walking. So basically, it's a big, real street in Miffis, Tennessee. And it was this black guy out there, and I thought I was gonna be an advocate for him. He had a big snake and it was snake. No, it was it was an actual real reps out a snake, right, And I mean that would be cool that there was a cold like, no,

let him have this preps out out. No, But he had the snake and people were taking pictures with the snake, and the police officer came up and she was talking to him very rude, especially for him. To be a black entrepreneur and him out there having business and a business savviness. I just felt like a caring and I should stand up for this man. And I was like, she was like, get that ship off the street, and I was like, you don't need to talk to him like that. And next thing I know, she grabbed my

wrist like this. She said, oh, you want to be another people's business and I was like, And she made me sit in the cops squad car so that I went to jail. Because see, if she would have just took me immediately, I wouldn't have went to jail, but because um she uh, she made me sit in the car until after midnight, I couldn't get out until later that day, so I did twelve hours. Yeah, I mean, are you really a comedian if you've never been arrested? You know? Okay, so I'm not a comedian yet, is

what I'm trying to say. So everyone better watch out because I'm on one all right. Time for us to move on to the next case. And this obviously hits very close to home because this is how we started the podcast. Our very first episode ever was based off of this case. And this is how the entire podcast came to Fruition was through the Brian Laundry Gabby Potito case, and we finally have a resolution thanks to forensic work as sleuths continued to push for evidence to be released.

And now we know what was in the mysterious notebook that Brian Laundry had which was submerged in water in the swamp in the depths of Florida for weeks. And they did find a handwritten confession in the notebook, and and he is the killer of Gabby Petito. So the FBI issued a statement last week confirming that he admitted to killing his girlfriend in his suicide note before fatally

shooting himself in the head. Who okay, Um, you know, this case obviously rattled a lot of people for a variety of reasons, and this was very needed and necessary to have a resolution because for so long we just had alleged thoughts that he was the murderer. Even though he committed suicide, he was probably the last person with her, We didn't really know what was going on. And so

I'm glad we have closure on this case. And when the evidence containing Brian's phone, gun, and no book were found, it seemed inevitable that they would finally have answers in the case, said the detective. And they found cell phones, laptop ops. They're all amazing investigative tools because obviously people

use them for communication. And it was a telltale sign that he was pretending that she was still alive and giving the impression to people that you know, she was still on Instagram and she was still communicating with family that way. So everything that we actually thought was right, and it sometimes it doesn't feel good to be right, and this is probably the only time that it doesn't feel good to be right. Um, do you think that this gives us true closure on this case? And what

do you think happens next? I think what happens next is that it does give us closure because when especially when something makes such widespread media, it's like you get invested into the story and being invested in the store, you want to see that closure and also moving forward as someone who would or would not potentially be a future criminal. I would never write on paper tell me you watch snapped without telling me you watch snapped. Don't write in a notebook. I mean, I'll say I wanted

to close this. This was my problem. We found out he was dead because I wanted closure from him, So I was I was irritated by that because I didn't like that he took the easy way out, and this is this is closure. This isn't closure for a TV generation who watched these true crime things and you get to know every detail of what happened and what unrivaled.

So in that respect, no, we we don't have that, but we do have, like you said, our suspicions confirmed that he did do it um or didn't do It's a it's crazy too without actually having the actual person alive to tell the story and actually admit to it. Then you wonder if there's some weird conspiracy that we'll find out ten years later that somebody said him up to commit suicide and make that a store. You see

what I'm saying. So it's just really like you said, it's the easy way out and doesn't give us school closure because what if it was somebody to actually murdered both of them. I know that's not it, but you never know. Well that's one theory. The other theory, conspiracy theory, would be what if he's not dead, started that sticking to it, found his body or Canada? Well, they found a skull bones consistent remains consistent with the DNA of

Brian laundry. Although they never really told us what they found. They I think they said like partial skull, partial, this partial that teeth. We weren't really sure. And when when people are loose with details, it I feel like there's always a reason why. You know, it's because it feels like you're hiding something or there's some sort of secret. It's like the Jeffrey Epstein story to like remember with his suicidal doesn't even have any final thoughts before we

get outle onto our next case. I'm really sorry for staying skit attle. I just it was right there. I get it. I just hope that you know, the family is able to heal because these types of people don't understand about crime. It has long lasting effects on people, so then it also it hurts them in the inside.

But also they're not the person there used they used to be, so then that hurt can kind of trickle down to their children and other people in their life, and it could just be a whole disaster because in the past, we've seen parents lose a child and because they lose that child, their their marriage, they actually ends in divorce because of all the tragic stuff of the shutar kuld of wood is and what if and why didn't we see the signs and it it can just

really be a heavy weight on the family. Yeah. Absolutely, And okay, guys, we're gonna take a quick break before we go to our last case for today. We will b rb I gotta stop saying b RP and welcome back to real time crime. I just like for everyone to know that I did not have a coffee today, even though it is approximately one pm, and that is because I forgot to go to Trader Joe's yesterday. So this is on me and I have no one to blame but myself. But this is also why I somehow

forgot how to read. Anyway, let's move on. Tell tell me you're a white girl in a white turtleneck without telling me I didn't have coffee because I didn't get a chance to get a Trader Joe's yesterday. Holy crap. Oh no, I'm really today, all right, I didn't get to go to Trader Joe's for ariwan, It's just all right. I If anyone does want to split an Arajuan membership with me, though, please damn me. I'm all for it's on each and we get ten percent off. I ever receie.

I mean, come on, it's a deal. Tell me you're Jewish without telling me you're Jewish. Okay, guys, this next case was actually the suggestion from our voicemail from last week. And I'm so glad that this case was brought to our attention because it deserves more attention. I hadn't even heard about it. This is the Tamla Horsford case. Okay. So, Tamla was a forty year old mother of five from Commings, Georgia. She was born in St. Vincent and the Granadines in

and then her family moved to the Bronx in. I love a New York girl and she was the life of the party. She liked to laugh, dan's have fun. She was a bright, shining light. Okay. So obviously we know there was a mystery around her death and in Forsyth County, in the city of Commings, Georgia, on November four, her body was discovered dead at the homeowner's boyfriend in her friend's backyard after a quote adult sleepover slash birthday

party with quote other football moms. She arrived at the party around eight thirty pm, and she ride with the bottle of tequila. I'm seeing a lot of through lines with bottles of tequila. Do people just need to stop drinking tequila? Yeah, it sounds like the potential um. She arrived with a bottle of tequila, a small overnight bag, and changed into white onesie pajamas covered in paw prints

shortly after she got there. Cute. The party held the evening of number November was originally meant to be all women, but Myers's boyfriend, Jose Errera, and Tom Smith, the husband of another attendee, ended up sticking around okay in the end. The group who advocates for Horseford would later be dubbed the Foresight twelve, including nine women, two men, and one husband who, according to police interviews, only dropped off and pick up his wife. They drank, watched football, played cards

against humanity, fun game. Okay, they had photographs and videos of her watching the game, smiling, super happy. So guests who weren't spending the night began to leave around eleven thirty pm, while those who were staying trickled off to bed over the next couple couple of hours. She went outside to smoke a cigarette on the back porch around two am, and the last person to see her was Bridget Fuller, who was picked up by her husband at

one forty seven am. Over the next ten minutes, the home security system registered the back door opening, closing, and then opening again for the last time at one seven am. Around the next morning, Madeline Lombardi, myers aunt, who lived at the house, headed kitchen making her cup of coffee in the morning and they called. She called just before nine am to nine one, and she said she's not moving one bit, She's not breathing. She's completely faced down

in the yard. She is stiff, and Myers and Brera are also on the line. The Sheriff's department ruled an accident due to acute ethanol intoxication heavily drinking, saying she fell off the second story balcony. She was apparently three times over the legal limit to drive okay, So the case, family and friends are not convinced that this was an accident, and they ordered a second independent autopsy because her injuries

seemed inconsistent with an accident. She had a cut on her wrist, which the sheriff says was self inflicted, which is odd because that would imply a suicide, and you know, that's I don't know, that's just kind of an odd statement there. And according to the autopsy, it showed blunt force trauma to her head, neck, torso extremities including abrasions on the face, four types of hemorrhages in the skull and brain, dislocation with the right wrist, and cuts on

her arms and lay. And the most notable thing was that when she was turned over, the fact that she had come to rest face down, her head was not turned to one side or the other. Her legs were found extended behind her with both feet pointing to the right, her right arm close to her body. Her left arm was found extended and bent at the elbow, and one of the fellow party attendees, Stacy Stacy Smith, expressed doubt

that she could have fallen. She said that she's been on the deck a million times, and she said she's looked, she's tried, and she was testing a theory that that she was drunk and leaned over to vomit but went

too far, and she said, I just don't understand. So then suspicions were raised further in February nineteen, when jose the parole officer and boyfriend of the homeowner, was fired after he used his position to illegally access the Horseford incident report and name record for Myers via the Records Management System database a K, questionably tampering with evidence we

don't know. Later that month, seven of the individuals present the night of the incident, including Myers and Brera, sued Graves for defamation, pointing to Facebook post accusing them of being responsible for her death. So t I A on Citty Cent posted about the story, bringing attention to it. The case was reignited after um Ahmed are very case in Georgia tweeting hashtag justice for tom La. Although I will be honest, I never saw this hashtag. I never

saw it either. I never see it here about the story, and I thought it was very odd. Yeah. Also, the fact that she was faced down and her head wasn't too aside. If you fall off a balcony, you're not Your face is not going to be perfectly landed center into the concrete unless it's absolutely smashed. Right. I also have a question they said so that they said the door opened, the security system to the door open closed opened. Was that a door on the second story balcony or

was that down below? The other thing is if she fell off the balcony, right, I assume, And this is not my area of expertise, obviously, but I assumed she would have fallen close to the house. Then they said the person the aunt was like making coffee the next day and saw her in the yard, which would lead me to believe it was further out from the house in order to spot it. I don't know obviously what the house looks like. But these things that, this stuff

just doesn't add up to me. Yeah, it doesn't add up to me either. Also, nine one was nine one one was called fourteen minutes after the people at the party found her body. Time seems like who timed it? Yeah? That that's another weird thing too. Who time do you if they're all at the party sticking together? Who time the fourteen minutes? Also true? But but also is that a long amount of time to wait before calling nine

one one? If you find someone dead? Absolutely, if I found someone dead, I'm calling me within two minutes of like, oh ship, they're dead, Okay, let me call the police.

That's soundly, But I don't think that fourteen minutes really matter because whoever knew she was dead knew she was dead from the previous night before, right, because this is allegedly a murder, because it's just it's just too much foul play of It's like the cut on the wrist and the risk being broken is like in conjunction to someone holding your wrist to and then it's just like and then those two men there, it seemed like a setup.

And I'll tell you, as an adult, I'm not spending the night over nobody's house talking about a sleepover that that's odd to me too. It sounds like a setup because why are all these people grown as people having a sleepover in their forties and and you're going to different How big is this house? It sounds like a home alone house, Like how do these is this house? They all got rooms? Are they sleeping in rooms together? What?

This don't make no sense? No, and family attorney from the law office is a Fernandez and Alvarez said in a statement saying that homicide is a strong possibility. It appears that she was possibly involved in a struggle and potentially that the body had been handled before the police arrived, and that the subject is a friend. And they also said that when they found her, they were like, oh, she was already dead. Her body was stiff, so they clearly had touched the body, so already right there. I

don't know if they lifted her. They've already you know, touched the crime scene, so who knows at that point. What I also find interesting is I don't know what the word this falls. But so the other cases we were talking about, the one with the bumble day and stuff, no details at all, and this one starts off with the what was on her pajamas? What was like? Just so much I don't know, like where does that come

into play here? There seems like there's so much other stuff that should be figured out here as opposed to distracting us with paw prints on her on her white onesie jammies or whatever. Yeah, I mean, I think the other thing that's very bizarre again is that they waited fourteen minutes, which I mean, in my opinion, could mean a variety of different things. But is it that they were creating some sort of fake scenario and and putting

on a big act, Oh my god, what happened? Oh you know, pretending that they didn't murder her or you know, was everyone justin so much shocked that they couldn't get to their phones and this was really an accident, you know, everyone was so freaked out. I mean, I don't know if this is an accident or not, obviously, but fourteen minutes is a long time to wait. I mean, I've never even been with a man who could last fourteen minutes, so I'm a little jealous. But you know, some people

can wait longer than others. All of this happened, I'm interested in knowing, like how does how do these people normally post on social media? Because they say it was a lot of stories of Tammela looking very happy and stuff like that, and some of the stories and stuff because grown adults and having us Are you really doing a lot of story especially the ages of these people, So are you really posting a lot of stories of

you guys having fun and stuff? It seems like it was premeditated, So I'm just interested to see their their social media posting history. Are they the type that always show like the memories that they're having in the moments, like yeah posting to my story, Oh we're having fun? Or did they just do it for this moment, right,

because this could have been premeditated. It could have been this could even bridge off into an affair, and it was a it's a confrontation between the husband liking her Tammela, and it's like they set the two guys up to bid. This could be a whole thing, and it might not just have something to do with all of this stuff is just accidental, Like why were the two men there? Why isn't that being explained because it's so I'm pretty sure tamb Lou with a bra her husband, you know

what I mean. So why is it I don't want to show up to a sleepover that I think it's gonna be all women and two men are there and I'm in my pajamas and stuff like that. That might be an uncomfortable moment. I'm not saying this is what ignited what potentially happened, but also like what is the history of a lot of things that's going on, Like

especially the social media has really bothered me. And what's interesting is that the guy said they said that guy accessed the files um without permission or whatever, unauthorized and then they said the case was reopened in July, but then quickly closed to me, right, so you're you're opening this case up and then it's closing right away, like and I think I feel like the paperwork and stuff to open a case again. You open it, you're gonna do some stuff, but I haven't shut down right away.

To me is suspicious. And another thing that's been brought to media attention lately is the fact that um black women that go missing aren't getting widespread media coverage, and especially in these towns that are predominantly white. And that particular city in Georgia has a population of eighty percent

white and four percent black people. So with that being said, it's very easy to be dismissive, especially when certain people of that twelve know the know the people that's the police and all these other other like law enforcement people are people that are over the case. Mhm. Absolutely. I Also I have another question. Do you think that you would hear the sound of a body falling from the balcony? It depends on if everybody. I think you would, but

it depends on how hammered everybody was. But they said the aunt lived there, but it doesn't say that the aunt was partying with everybody. So I mean it's yeah. I mean, there's obviously endless questions. I just think, well, I guess it was two am, is what they're saying. But if you hear the sound of a body thud someone, they're twelve people there, ten people there, No one heard it. Well, it could be as I don't know if I can stand on that one with you, Leah, because that could

be a quick fool, you know what I mean. And it's like anything could be. Sometimes you think you here something and you're just like going about your business too, So it's not it's as as much as like a gunshot, you know what I mean, something that you know is distinctive, especially dependent. And and what's ironic to me too is these were all white people. Where the hell was the dog? It was no dog around, and they left the door open. When the dog go out there and see the body

and bark. Now, this ship is becoming real suspicious because where is the dog? Why don't they have a dog, and why isn't the dog barking at a damn body or body that's bent over? Because when they left the dog out to go use the bathroom, and then they said the door, the sliding door opened. Then it closed and then it opened, so it left. Why didn't the dog go investigate the body? So you're saying that there

was no dog and that it's to or not. If a houseful of white people don't have a dog, then it's possible they've been plotting a murder for years because to your point, talk to me. I mean, the other thing that's interesting is they didn't know it at all during this case that they were eating because honestly, white people don't know how to cook. Sorry, I eat white people food all the time. It's pretty tasty, I know, but I don't really consider Jews white. I'm like, now

I'm off white. There's a difference. Um. Also, you know, when you think about the screen door opening and closing and opening, it just makes everything even more suspicious. It's, yeah, you're you're someone went in, someone went out on one back in, someone's going over the balcony. No one's going over the balcony. Someone's getting beat up. Then they're carrying her body downstairs, I mean minutes after the last person

that was leaving that night left. And then how are you carherent enough to actually smoke a cigarette but also trip over a balcony. So you can actually take in light a cigarette because it gets a little nippy at night in Georgia. So you actually able to take because you know you probably had to do it a couple of times. You can do all of this motion, but you're too drunk and you follow over a balcony. Now that's not adding up either. Where's the cigarette? The cigarette

can tell a lot of tale. Was the cigarette still on the balcony? Was it down below where she felt? Where was the cigarette? I'm gonna not agree with this one only because in my drinking days I was a proet literally everything when I was drunk. So but did you ever fall to your death? Not that we know of, unless this is heaven or hell. I mean, we don't know where I'm gonna end up or prison? Should I be so lucky? You guys. It's time to wrap up

with some final thoughts before we close for today. Dmitri deef Nique, any final thoughts for us about anything at all? The meaning of life? I feel like we did a nice job of raising a lot of questions, um with some of these cases, because, like we said with the Brian Lonry thing, we don't like when there's not closure

on these things. Right, and I think some so many of these cases seem to be lacking simple questions that we came up with, and so I think it's It's a nice obviously, it was a nice conversation with both of you to to go through these things and be like, hey, what's up with this stuff? And hopefully you know what. I know this isn't TikTok, but maybe someone's going to hear this and kind of raise these questions and we can get some so right, we don't like being literally

ghosted on a case. We need closure And that was such a stupid but I'm sure I feel it was fitty Thank you. I wanted to say. My final cases would be to all the Black listeners out there, be careful when you're around your white friends and you're drinking tequila, be very careful. Maybe drink vodka or wine or Hennessy or something like that, but tequila and hanging with white people just don't mix. The more you know, the more you know, well technique. It has been so lovely. It's

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