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oh yeah, I trying. I'm trying on like a little tough to hair. What do you guys think? Imagine we come on the zoom and Dmitri just has hair. What are you guys talking about? It was just the lighting. It was the lighting all those times he just pretends like everything's normal. Love that well, speaking of normal, today we're not talking about anything normal. We'll be talking about Bill Cosby's sexual assault conviction. We'll be talking about a

woman who faked her own abduction. We'll be talking about Carson Cressley dating an AX murderer who hasn't calm down, you know, and then finally rounding it out with Anna Delve the story that everyone is talking about. You guys, I've really changed since Chris Cuomo came into my life. What's going on now? Not so? I never I just I never responded again because I just felt very uncomfortable. I just feel like I'm talking to a hacker, and I'm like, am I developing a relationship with a hacker?

And that stopped you? That sounds like a reason you would keep going it. That's so funny. Also, I'm just very curious to know. It's like, well, what what other crimes have you committed? Sir? You know, because if it's just like nerdy tech hacking, that's not so hot. But if it is all in battery, let's talk. Let's be honest. You're playing hard to get with the hacker. Would you

consider doing love is Blind? Leah? Yeah? I actually I actually would really enjoy watching you do that and then your face as the person comes around, knowing that, like you know, your main thing is head shots. I just not being able to see somebody's face and then developing a full relationship is I'm ready for it to happen, Like I'm about to call their casting, but I'm not against that. I think that's a good idea. I think that brilliant. I'll talk about it on two teas in

a pod. It'll be great, Thank you, thank you. I think the funny thing will be when no one wants to date me, They're like, we don't even care if she's hot, her personality, man, damn. I think my voice would turn away enough. They'd be like, they'd be like and she just kept laughing at her own jokes, like I'm so intrigued. She keeps pausing for like seconds on end. What's she going to say next? I should be on

Love is Blind. That might be the only way for me to actually find I'm putting it out into the universe. I think it needs to happen Leah on next season of Love is Blind. I'll start watching recapping. Dmitri can produce it. We can do all the things that sounds. I mean. I think I would be very fun on reality TV because I just have no filter. I think you write, especially on a dating show. Mess Is that the name of my new dating show, hot mess Um

stood by camp. I'll never turn down a job. Okay, yeah, should we just talk about crime or now? Can you do the first cry? I'm yeah, of course. Look, I just would like to put a trigger warning here for anyone who is triggered by high sexual assault or and or rape. We're talking about Bill Cosby. Man. This is the case that keeps on not giving. The Supreme Court

declines to consider reinstating Bill cosby sexual assault conviction. On Monday, they determined that they would not reinstate Bill Cosby sexual ssault conviction, dealing a blow to prosecutors who hoped to put the accused sex offender back in prison. Last June, Cosby was released from prison early when the Pennsylvania Supreme

Court made the controversial decision to vacate his conviction. He was sentenced to three to ten years in prison, the pretty big range, if you ask me, in for sexually assaulting a former Temple University employee in his mansion in two thousand four, one of many sex crimes he's been accused of committing during his decades long career the Pennsylvania Court and really had quote unquote nothing to do with guilt or innocence, that's clear. It's really more of a

reaction to what I would consider a prosecutorial misstep. In two thousand five, Montgomery count District Attorney Bruce Castor said that Cosby would not face criminal prosecution and former Temple employee Andrea Constance case and knowing that he wouldn't be prosecuted, he admitted in a deposition in her civil suit against him, which was later settled, to giving coaludes to women with

whom he wanted to have sex. But since Kevin Steele cast her successor didn't honor the former day's agreement with Cosby, it was considered that they were using his private confession against him in court, which helped pave a path to conviction and raised constitution raised questions about the constitutionality of

Steele's actions. And you guys, news that in anmitted sex offender was freed from prison basically on a technicality concerned sexual assault survivors who worried that Cosby's released would have negative repercussions for future future sexual assault cases. So sorry, you guys are gonna have to edit out so many weird words that I've created today. Um yeah, I mean, what do you guys think about this? Do you think that there's ever gonna be justice for the alleged victims

of Bill Cosby? I'm not even sure if we should say alleged she actually did confess that he gave women kylus before. I think what you just went through gives us that answer, which I think is now, you know, it's it's unbelievable that on a technicality this is what happens. I find it disgusting because then you're saying that even

if someone so let's say he murdered someone. Let's say he murdered someone, right, it's like, oh, you can just get off on a technicality, even if you actually say that you did it, and you did do it, that's yes, Sorry, thank you for taking your role back as sometimes. But I just I find this so disheartening for a number of reasons because it feels like it's a misjustice system, not a justice system. If someone confesses to a crime, how could they get off if they've done the crime.

It just doesn't actually compute in my head. Well, I know how it's making me feel, and I've never been a victim of this type of you know, so I can only imagine how it's making the multiple people that have been wronged and hurt and abused to hear this, it's got to be disheartening, and then it makes you

want to not come forward right. And this is also you know, it's like part of a bigger me too movement situation where even if you know you're you're attaching your name to something very loaded and you're giving a lot of personal information and it's going to be in the media forever anytime someone googles your name and then to not even get justice for being so violated and so wrong is it's I mean, it's cruel. H Yeah,

it disgusts me. I mean, look, I think that there are a lot of times in media and entertainment where people have a hard time separating the performer from the person. You know, the talent from the man. And it's like, sure, he's a very funny, talented comedian and actor, doesn't mean that he gets to not do time for his crime.

He committed crimes, multiple sex crimes. I don't understand why just because you have a lot of money and a good lawyer and all this sort of because it just gets you off that amount of money, and those good lawyers are finding loopholes in the system, and that's why we're having this conversation. It's so frustrated. But we have to move to a lighter crime because this just and I texted a person involved. So this is from Watch What Happens Live? So Carson Cresley dated an AX murder.

Watch video from Watch What Happens Live? Scroll to time code for twelve. A caller asked Carson the question, Um, Carson has a dating history? Okay, like with timelines and footnotes and cross the effortcing. Speaking to Andy Cohen on Watch What Happens Live, Cressley said the worst date of his life was one with a person he categorized as an AX murderer. A Apparently, Cressley had taken this fellow home after a night at the bars, and the gentleman did not get down to business so much as make

a sandwich. So the guy makes himself a sandwich and leaves weird but not earth shattering. Cut till later when Cressley happens upon a most Wanted poster and the man is wanted for multiple murders. Cressley came out ahead not only by getting not getting AX murdered, but also by getting a story to eat out on the decade. So I texted him, you know, because he was my my roommate, and I'm like, hey, and care to comment on this AX murder story, and he wrote, um, I'll have to

come on the show. But I think he was wanted for assault, not murder, so it's not as DICESE. Let me just say, if someone came over to my apartment and not only didn't try to have sex with me, but just wanted to eat of food in my fridge, I would wonder if they were just going through a hard financial time. Well, but you have if it was like after a bar or something. There's times that you want to eat like you're hungry, but making a sandwich is one thing. Going through like the Taco Bell drive

through is another. Yeah. I think it's actually even more mentally ill to go to a stranger's house and then just go through their rightful through their fridge and make yourself a sandwich and then leave. I could see you haven't a hit sitting in the corner being like, are you only using me for my cold cuts? If they grabbed some pretzels lee and maybe they need a little

snack and get their energy up, I didn't know. Well, I have PTSD obviously if you can't tell about this exact premise, but not that I did an AX murderer. But I mean, this feels like something I would do, but you didd someone who was carbo loading before sex. Hilarious. I woke up once at five in the morning. This is when I lived in New York, and I heard I would locked my door in New York, my bedroom door, no matter what, because I'm crazy and it's New York.

And I started hearing all this banging in my apartment and I didn't know what it was, and I thought there was a burglar. And then I opened the door and I see that this guy who had slept over was eating all my bagels. What do you mean all your bagels? I had a bag of bagels and he just like shredded through all of them and he was real wasted still, and I was like, Okay, um, this doesn't seem like a crime to me. I mean, was

your bagel shop out of business? Came from Okay, so clearly for sex, and you're not going to trade a dozen bagels sex with this person. Maybe if you would have, he would. He was wasted and he was just like opening the ridge and like and like slamming down knives, and I was like, what's going on in there? Like like the cupboards were opening and closing just slamming, well, the story is making me want to fake my own abduction, which takes us to her wow, which takes us to

our next New York Times article. Three weeks after she vanished, Sherry Peppini was found over a hundred and forty miles from her home. According to the authorities, her account of being kidnapped was a lie. She said that her captors had leashed her to a pole inside a closet a bucket of kitty litters serving as her toilet. Then came the beatings, and when she tried to escape, she told

investigators she was branded. That is how Sherry explained to investigators what happened during her disappearance in two thousand and sixteen, a three week ordeal that prompted an intense and costly searched across northern California, where she had been living, and several other states. The widely reporting missing person case wound down after a truck driver spot in Miss Peppini wandering

along an interstate, but the investigation was not over. Federal prosecutors said this week that Ms. Peppini's claims that two masked women had abducted her at gunpoint while she was on a run in Reading, California. Had been made up

that she continued her deception when investigators confronted her. In fact, prosecutors claim she was married with child two children, and was staying with an ex boyfriend and had used prepaid cell phones to arrange for him to whisk her some six hundred miles away from his home from her home. This sounds like a lot of work. Just I mean. She was arrested on Thursday and felony charges making false

statements to federal law enforcement. The fraud charges stem for more than thirty thousand and therapy and ambulance services whose therapy mine from reading this article, this is unbelievable. Um, but I we can't miss any time. I really going down inventing Anna. And while we're already on people faking things, can you just take a little background on Anna del Wie, Anna Swarkin. Wait, I just wanted to say, I don't

see the problem. You know, this woman wanted to go hang out, She has kids, in a husband, she wanted to go hang out with her ex boyfriend. Tell me another way to do it. If you know another way to do it besides faking your own kidnapping and going to elaborate stories and saying you're gonna have to use kitty litter to pee and that you're tied to poles? Did bran branding yourself just to have sex with your ex? I mean that's how I know the dick was good.

That's how you know you're having ows multiple Yeah, you're not having to fake it. Yeah, I'm like, wait, can you look me up with this guy? All right? Yeah, let's move right along. Anyways, shall we take a break before we get to Anna find sometimes? Wow, you're the bossy today. I think that was a question. Actually, so spin it however you want. All right, we'll be right back. Don't commit any crimes while we're on a break. Thank you, Hello, and welcome back to real time crime. I hope you

didn't commit a sixty second crime. I don't know if that looks like stealing gum from your neighbor's desk at work? Was that a joke? I don't don't know. I don't know what anything is anymore. I haven't even had coffee yet.

Today Teddy was like, let's do the podcast at eleven, and I was like, okay, did you want me to be awake or um lovely, You're like I can do eleven thirty and I like trying press, trying to make something happen right after this, and it's because you don't want to wake up thirty Minutes'll be honest, I'll be honest. I had a phone call with Dubai and they made me wake up very early, and I was like, I won't be able to function. This doesn't seem legal. I

don't love it. Why didn't? Yeah, I didn't love it at all. Turns out a prince over there left her some money and she's just trying to I mean, look, yeah, well there was a Nigerian prince who asked me to wire him twenty dollars and I was like, wait, is this Anna Delvie do it? He's like, my name is Chris coom. Okay. Before we even get into the entire Anna case, I need to know are you team Rachel or Team Anna? I'm Team Anna? What about you? Sometimes?

I mean, I think it's pretty safe to say that if Leah says she's teamed something, I have to go with, what about you, Teddy? Team Hannah or Team Rachel? I you know, I can see both sides Here's where let's get into that further. Explain to Anna Delvie to people first, and then I'm gonna explain why I have my She's all right. Annah Delvi a k a. Annakin pretended to be a German heiress to create the Anna Delvie Foundation, an elite club much like the Soho House. But she

wanted to do this in New York City. And this all happened in essentially what happened if she swindled. She tender swindled New York City elite hotels and banks and people out of thousands of dollars with posh dinners, vacations, hotels, days, and even stole a private jet to go to Omaha, all for her Annadelvie Foundation. She even got City National

and fortressed almost invest millions. She needed forty mill to make the club so based off Jessica Pressler's New York magazine article then turned into a series for Netflix by Shonda Land. We all are now aware of this story, and Teddy okay, So a big part of this story is while Anna was doing all of these things, she

had her bestie and Toe come to Rachel Williams. And this is where I have my issue with Rachel, I personally have never had a friend that has money or doesn't have money, that bank rolls me to live, never or vice versa. So but if there any is anyone out there listening who's like, Leah, you sound like a really fun person hang out with, I'll bankroll you. I mean,

Leah's willing to that. Being said, you know, Anna supposedly has all this money she's spending, she's staying at all these hotels, she's throwing hundreds everywhere, she's going on vacations, and she is taking Rachel with her. Never once is Rachel paying for herself to do any of those things. I don't know anybody in their right mind that doesn't

know that everything comes with a price. Good call, like, everything comes with the price, no matter if, like you know, you have some friends that have more money than you do and don't. And even then, if you're not going half first, you're splitting it like I got you this time, you give me the next time, and you actually do that. But if you're just letting somebody pay for your trips, your hotels, your life or whatever, I'm sorry, it's bounded by you in the ass. That wasn't a guy. Do

we know how this was unfolding. Was She's saying, Hey, can I pay for this or on this trip of you because I can't afford it? And she was like, no, no, I got it. You gotta come. You're my best friend on this show, you don't. They don't really paint Rachel in the best light. They make it out to be that she was a user of Anna and that she capitalized on her trauma to make money. She does have a New York best selling book called My Friend Anna.

Her instagram is consistently Netflix new series about the con artist Ana Sorkin plays lip service to the truth, says Rachel Delici Williams, one of her victims, for the world's most popular streaming service. To allow this to up and his appalling, they have ignored the reality of criminal behavior, of pathological lawing, of reprehensible example setting to create this

fictional alternate version. Certainly the bogus director and this docu drama Dirty John, also on Netflix, or the conman protagonist of its documentary The Tender Swidler are not awarded a fraction of the sympathy granted Sorkin, But then those shows were not bankrolling those people, So I mean she has multiple posts like this. However, shall I go on and read Anna's post that she's been able to Anna's post so much. If you have it readily available, you can

get to reading um. But the fact that you can post from Ice is pretty incredible. Well, we should also note that she was um. She she left prison and got scooped up by Ice right away because her visa expired. So she was East on good behavior in February, and then a month later Ice brought her right back into custody where she is currently. Okay, now back to you, Teddy. Um. Well, now we have to also talk about her money situation.

She was sentenced to Foard to twelve years find twenty four thousand in order to pay restitution of around a hundred and nine. Then she was paid three hundred thousand for her life rights, so pretty much anything that she did is wiped clean around. I mean, I don't know how much money am I being a piece of ship by saying I just don't even think any of this

is a lot of money. Well, the part that I don't under like that's a student loan, correct, But I mean I think Rachel end up putting something like sixty dollars on her credit card from this vacation she took with Anna, and you know it was her work card and all of these things. But the argument is that she was never forced to do it, but they you know, the hotel was asking for it. Um. But I do want to pull up what Anna's posts are right now, Anna Delvi is posting from Ice. I've been silent about

this for years. However, over past two weeks of watching Rachel stubbornly refused to move on from her contrived trauma, ever Braisen and unchecked, while going on every show that will have her, I thought, now I have to, and

if I have to, I will. During her numerous public cries for attention claiming I ruined her life, relentless Rachel Deloche Williams conveniently forgets to mention the curious period of time during the summer of eighteen when she herself, along with her newly acquired literary agent, we're repeatedly harassing my lawyer Todd, both via email and phone clear to note um to get me to agree to write a book together with Rachel. And the best part is, this time

around around, I've got all the receipts. She doesn't post the receipts though, right not that I've seen. I know.

Sounds incredible considering Rachel's recent media crusade, during which she accuses everyone who isn't aligned with her vision of self as a wrong martyr star for Justice, of glorifying crime and giving platform to a con Can anyone please enlighten us whether she's done anything at all over the past three years other than talking and writing about me, reading and dissecting my interviews, taking angry notes, looking for things to get outraged about. She even quotes post I've deleted

after fifteen minutes. I can't find yourself someone who's is dedicated to you the way Rachel is dedicated to my tayer.

Don't you just look? I know? Don't you just love the irony of watching Rachel Delictulliams constantly adjust her very flexible moral standards depending on the perspective amount of the money that stands to profit based on the latest twist in the tail of her unfortunate association with me, before she epically embarrassed herself during my trial, before Netliks forever submitted her very accurate Karen image, her moral come is deemed acceptable, suggests we write a book together, all while

still pressing charges again against me. She thought she could have it all, didn't she. It keeps going on and on, but I think the last page. I'll read the last page, which is important to this day. Rachel Williams clearly struggles to accept the fact that twelve jurors unanimously agreed I was not guilty of any charges related to her existence, and that nobody cares about anything she has to say

unless she's talking about me. And while I can understand her being upset at the fact that I've already accomplished more for the various jails and prisons than Rachel in her entire sheltered life of privilege, she won't be getting away with this blatant hypocrisy on my watch. Also, she she says something in like another one about the audacity of her to still attempt to sell her white woman tears that no one is buying. I'm like, bitch, you're also a white woman? Like what? Well? I this is

obviously Anna has a very inflated version of self. I'm trying to stay away from uh. But man, if she was a man, I would date her. I have to say that I have done a full deep dive of every photograph of Anna that exists on the worldwide Web, even her court looks that had their own Instagram and got it been following that a lot of people and the public eye. That's how like Joe Rogan's dog has more followers than me. I'm like, I give up, And not for one second would I be like, Oh, that

looks like an heiress to me. Interesting, what what do you think? Well, I don't know. I just think I think like royalty, and I think like super polished, and all of her pictures she looks like I look right now, a hot, breaking mess with like messy hair, like her parts like this, Like she's like, she looks like Samara from the Ring coming out of the Well. Yeah, that's

what I'm confused about. And I know that you're not supposed to judge a book by its cover, but I'm judging a book by this cover because the story is all over the place, and I want to know who these big businessmen were who were meeting her and being like, oh, yeah, I want to invest forty million dollars into your company, and you're all, you can't brush your hair. I also

am very curious to know. I mean, for everyone who watched Inventing Anna, which is the Netflix series based off of Anadelvie's life, I'm so curious to know who the real chases. Apparently she was saying on her Instagram stories that she would give to the highest bidder the information about his real name and who he is to the media, and it starts at a ten k bid and people should slide into her d M s with bits. Let me see how much I have in my wallet we

can pull together. There is something, Leah, give her one of your n F t s. That's very funny. Um, hold on, but remember when we almost had her for other friend on the pod? Why am I blanking on her name right now? Her other friend her like other

bestief and Nef was so nice. Um. And Nef is the one that truly according to this documentary, I don't know because we don't have an interview with Nef, but really is the one that made people believe that Anna was as great as she was because she was this incredible concierge and she got her into all the hot parties, on all the hot lists and all the good reservations. Um.

That being said, Nef was almost here but then not. Yeah, good story, Hunsel and and they're saying that The New York Post is saying the real Chase is Hunter Lee Sook. Who's that? Oh boy? They kind of look like twins. Look at them. You see what I'm saying. Is this guy really worth it? Is she really worth it? Are they both really worth it? I don't know what this means.

I mean, I wonder if it is him. I bet we could find out by just sending her a d M. I did find my d M exchange with Neff, and Nef is taking a different route than her her other pal Rachel, because she's taking She said, Hi, I haven't done any interviews or spoke to any media since two thousand eighteen. I think I would be too nervous. And I said, it's okay. We can make it fun and light. I hosted with a comedian, so we're super easy to talk to. I ate myself. I hate hearing how easy

I am to talk to um. And she wrote her agent's name, will be able to arrange everything for me. Sounds fun, And then we reached out to the agent and crickets. This is what happens to us all the time. We're like, oh, we're getting the producer and director of the tender spin. They're like, we'd love to can you reach out to our PR team? And the PR teams like yeah, it's going to be a no for us talk.

It's the same as like if you somebody is saying you're gonna meet on a dating site and then all of a sudden the night of the coffee date, they're just not there. It's a polite no. It's a polite no. But just don't even you don't even need to respond. Just don't open the d M. Why do they open the d M? Why do you open d M? From CRISP Como? That I don't know the answer to. But you know what's hard? But all right, apparently I have

COVID again. But my my biggest question is do you think any of those jerors should have thought that Anna was guilty? I look, I mean of the crimes against Rachel. Well, Rachel was forced to pay with her credit card and left quickly. Anna stayed another week and charged sixty two dollars vacation on Rachel's card. That sucks, that's not cool.

I mean, that's what happened. Then, Anna came out to l A, stayed at the Chateau Marmont, and for those of you that do not know, Chateau Marmont is probably one of the most expensive hotels to stay at in Los Angeless on the Sunset Strip, attempted suicide, and then went to Malibu Passages, which is one of the most expensive rehab facilities in California. Man, I've had so many friends go there and there. She was arrested for breaking bank fraud in two thousand seventeen. Trial started in two

thousand nineteen. She was found guilty on eight charges, including grand largsny in the second degree, attempted grand larsity, and theft of services. However, against the stuff with Rachel, they're

saying that Rachel had the option because she gave her card. Correct. Yeah, I also think, man, you know, I do know sometimes with very wealthy friends, you know, I watched them go to nightclubs and they'll leave the club and just be like, oh, yeah, charge whatever you want in my car because it really doesn't matter to them, you know. I remember when I was at eleven in Miami. Yeah, it's a strip club, go on and this was during art Basil and I

think this is where I got COVID. But you know, yeah, my friend uh literally just left the club and he had at least ten friends there getting lap dances, ordering bottles and I think they racked up over fifty k in that night and it just didn't matter. But I hate to say this that I can almost understand, and I have been in a situation. It's similar where people do bottle service and you're just all partying, and that's the situation. However, we are talking about years time, We're

talking about traveling on vacations. We're talking about workout sessions, lunches, dinners, clothes, vacations. You're gonna let your friend, no matter how rich they are, pay for everything. There's got to be something in you that allows that to happen. That's like, again, we don't know the situation though, Like what if she's like I can't, I can't go, I can't afford this. She's like, come, this is on me and you're my best friend. I need you with me every too, everything she's ever done.

Like that's like a weird codependent relationship. Don't you think what they exist? Yeah? I mean also I'm thinking about it. I have some people that have bankrolled me on a bunch of different things that I could not have afforded at the time. And why would I say no? I just think that if you repeatedly, if it's repeated, they're not be with the same person. I feel like you've been burned by this. No, No, then it's your husband. No. I just think that there's a there's a line in

the sand when you're accepting money from somebody else. Even like I mean, this is gonna sound weird, but even with my dad, obviously he makes more money than I do, I don't have a trust find I have no link to him. I was never the kid throwing down my card because I didn't have any money from now we were separate, my parents were divorced. However, now to this day, now that I have, I make you know, a good living.

My dad is who who he is. We will take turns who's paying for dinner if we go to a hotel. I'm not expecting him to pay. But that's because you both have money. I didn't when I was younger, but did when you were younger? Did you pay for your dad when you went out to dinner? No, I would invite him to the restaurants I worked at and nobody had to pay there. It is thank you, Mr Chow, your own child appreciate it. Just what the most is,

Oh man, I've been a hostess. Honestly, it's probably one of the hardest jobs to do because you're so bored most of the time. But so you're saying, if the other person does not have money, it's fine to accept she worked at Vanity Fair. We have something clear. She wasn't like, she's not broke. That's not it's not me. It's not like I would not want to do that. But there are plenty of people out there, and there are plenty of people that have money that are like

I don't care, I'm just come with me, I'll pay. Yeah, But I do understand to Teddy's point, the repetition of services, right, it's like people have you know. It's like if someone was like, hey, you want to jump on my private jet, Like I wouldn't have been able to afford at that time, being like, hey, does everyone else want to come on my private jet? You know, and it's like, oh cool, uh round trip travel, Thank you so much. But then it's not as if like for the rest of the year, this.

This person was provided goods and services for me for free. So if you were like, if they were like, let's go on the private jet again and this and that, you'd be like, the only way I'm going this time is if I can pay for my seat. Yeah, it's mere nailed it. Well, that's my point. This stuff. Once you started doing something and it's like, again, I'm not

that type of person. I don't like it. But there's plenty of people, and there's on both sides, there's plenty of people that say, listen, I'm paying, I'm getting this hotel, I've already got an extra room. Just come on down and stay. Okay, So we're gonna agree to disagree on this, but obviously both of these women are in a position where they want to gain money from this story. From what's happened, trauma, not trauma, whatever it is, their friendship,

their relationship, what I have to offer from it. Why are they still so mad at each other then, because they're both still making money by exploding each other like they seem kind of like the same person. It's just

isn't it just good telling, It's just good entertainment. I think it's just to keep the story alive to keep them both relevant so that I don't know if you guys know, but Anna signed a deal for a limited series, a reality show of her life after prison, plus working on a book in a podcast, so you know, I think she needs to keep the drama and the attention on the spotlight around so that people still care about

her story once she's out of prison. And when as we take, we gotta take one little break and then we'll come back. And I want to hear what you have to say. Sometimes, sorry to cut you off. Hi, this is Bethany Frankel, and you will not want to miss my new episode of Just Be with actor Justin Long. He puts it all out there. He tells me about

a near death experience where he was abducted. He talked about bouncing back after being in a film that got a zero percent on Rotten Tomatoes, and gives his take on why celebrities date other celebrities. Listen to Just Be on the IHRT radio app, Apple podcast or where ever to get your podcasts. Okay, what were you saying, Dmitri? I think that that's what people do when people do

things that are morally or legally wrong. The way they justified to themselves that was well, listen, but this person took advantage of me, or this person is doing this, or they're they're worse than me. They downplay what they've done, or they put some of it on other people. And I think they're both doing that as far as I'm concerned.

If you both do something wrong, just gough and you know, argue with each other, but don't act like you haven't done anything and the other ones you're a victim what the other one is doing. But that's what people they do, they do they put it on someone else. So Anna is like, well, Rachel's doing this, and Rachel stop calling his attention. You haven't, you know, so they could both just neither is taking accountability for their actions. But that's

also because they're an illegal battle. It's not just a casual cat fight. If you will, this is true, you know, if they took accountability for their actions and apologized and where I went and there wouldn't be lots of money at stake and careers on the line. Has but has Anna ever apologized for anything, like, is there anything on record that she apologized for? Any of the people think that there was some sort of interview where she said, here,

wait a second, I'll tell you exactly where. Um hm oh, one second, she should apologize for taking a private jet and going to Omaha. So back in Um wait, sorry, because there's there's there's an actual article here. Please cut this out any accounts, Okay, So let's just also clarify the fact that in she was convicted on eight counts

and sentence to four to twelve years in prison. Right, and she moved through five correctional facilities, and she was later released in February of um and then six weeks later, like we said already, she went to Ice detention where she's fighting deportation to Germany. And it's like, is she German?

Is she Russian? We know now she's German. So over several phone calls the Orange County Correctional Facility, Ms Srokan spoke about the Netflix show and she was a paid consultant on just as a reminder, it was all about life and detention and the women question of remorse. And in the interview she was saying, I feel sorry for the way my case is being perceived, and I feel sorry that I resorted to these actions that people think

I'm glorifying. Now I feel sorry for the choices I've made. Definitely, I don't feel like the world would be a better place if people were just trying to be more like me. And then they asked her, do you feel like you've changed, and she said, I feel like I changed immensely, just due to the fact that I've been exposed to so many people and just seeing other people's walks of life.

Even though I thought I was so well traveled and I lived in Europe, lived in the States, and lived in different countries, I was so sheltered having been to prison and having been through the criminal justice system. He just exposed me to a whole different kind of a person, and my problems before just seemed ridiculous. And then they asked her, if you could go back in time, would you go back and do things differently? And she said, with the benefit of hindsight, I would have changed lots

of things. But this is just not how life works. So I'm just building on my experiences and learning from them. And they said, Netflix, what do you say. I said, I don't hate that part. Yeah, and um, then they said Netflix paid you three thousand for your life rights this series, and you consulted on the project, and she said yeah. And that's why, to reference the BBC interview where I was asked, does crime pay, I could not honestly say no because I did get paid. So I mean,

she's definitely has a way with words. She's smart. I mean, I can see how she could potentially fraud people by the way that she does emote, the way that she you know, she talks, she knows what she's talking about. She says it with like this command where if you guys want to laugh, you have to go over and watch. Chloe is crazy. She's on s analogy. She's a friend of our love Chloe, but she doesn't Inventing Chloe. But it just pretty much sums up what Anna Delvie was

able to do by her overall presence with others. But it's so good. In conclusion, In conclusion, In conclusion, Anna Deelbe is my hero. I'm kidding you, guys, Oh my god, I'm joking. Come on. In conclusion, you should watch Inventing Anna if you're curious to know a little bit more about the case. I think it is very engaging to watch it. And obviously Shana Rhymes can do no wrong. In my book. Anyone else have any final thoughts? No,

we're all obsessed, been obsessed for months. I can say thank you to Anna and Rachel and NAF and everyone involved and potentially the tech rich boyfriend for giving us this entertainment. The unfortunate part is that it's true alleged, And thank you, sir for making a fake app about dreams that never came to fruition. And then he moved to Dubai, and I was on a phone call with someone in Dubai earlier, and and it may or may not have been him, but I will never say interesting timing.

I see, I see. In conclusion, this has been another episode of real time crime. You can find me on the internet at Lea Lamar on TikTok at Leo Lamar with five ours, Teddy, where can we find you on the Internet at Teddy Mellencamp or all in by Teddy dot com. Oh and Dmitri still not at sometimes? Yeah, I don't think that's sometimes gonna happen. I got snatched up what? No, I don't know. I didn't look, but but I don't. I don't appreciate that passive aggressivenes. It

really hurts one thing. To be honest, I didn't have time. I guess I was just aggressive. I didn't say what did I said? I didn't have time to look. I think that's just pretty straightforward. I think you're a little too caught up in this inventing Anna thing where you think everybody rachel Or I was on. I'm sorry, Dmitri. Do you not bring your phone with you to the toilet? You had time to look, just like you saw Leah's post earlier with her phone in the microwave, yeah, and

didn't comment. I didn't see that. Um, I do carry in my phone with me. To be honest, I did not look. I never really thought I was gonna be snatching up sometimes, Dmitri, because I don't think anybody gives a ship. We give a ship about us and how it makes us feel. Dmitri, are you going to do the sing song? Think? Of course? I mean, am I good for anything except for the song? Not? Really? Yeah? Thank you everyone, Thank you for so you can find

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