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who's the devil here. And for me, I know that any time I'm dating a guy, I feel like I need to know if he's going to murder me or not. We got to find out if he's a serial killer. And most of the men I've dated, let me tell you, they have murdered lots of Captain crunch. So here we are today to find out a little bit more about crimes in real time. And I with me my friend Teddy Mellencamp. Teddy, how are you? I'm doing great? I

am Teddy Mellencamp. I am a mom, fitness and health wellness enthusiasts, and even more importantly, I will go down any rabbit hole and dig down any crime because I will do your dirty work on any topic involving any bad guy. So I'm really glad that you're my podcasting crime partner. Thank you so much for being here. And you may hear in the background our producer Dmitri chiming in from time to time with a male perspective. Hello Dmitri, Hello,

very minimal. So on this podcast, we're going to be covering a lot of cases, and we are all obsessed with this case, right, beyond obsessed with this kind of obsessed. This is the Gabby Petito Brian Laundry case. And so let me give you a little rundown of the case. And just in case you haven't heard of it, can I say case one more time? More? Okay, thank you, in case somebody didn't catch it. Perfect, Okay, So here's

the four one one on the Gabby Petito case. So, Gabby Petito and Brian Laundry are high school sweethearts and on again, off again fiance's. We can both say that's a bad sign, right, we can both say that the fact that they were on again, off again and living with his parents and his mom still paid for his cell phone and he had no nothing that he did on his own, is it is a bad sign to me, he's your mama's boy. Okay, So Brian and Gabby set out in July and a converted van a k hashtag

van life to make vlogs also a bad sign. If we're being honest, I'm sorry, but if you're living in a van, are you really living? Also? Why how can you say that you hate social media if you're doing a vlog and you're constantly posting. If you're living in a van, that's a bad sign because you're living in a coffin on wheels. If you're living in a van, you don't have any of your own, You're you're living

off your parents and the van you're traveling. You can't From what I know, he hates everybody and everything and all plastics. And I get not liking plastic, but also he hates anybody that's ever used plastic. Also, I think a lot of women need to get their roots done once a month, right, like there's gonna think. I mean, I think probably Gabby had to get her roots done from time to time. This family life is just not for her and we found this out the hard way.

Let me just say this, We're gonna keep going a little bit more in the case. But I want to say this guy was covered in red flags. He loves to read books about serial killers who go on road trips. Hello, Okay, so that's already red flash. She was also reading The Zodiac Killer. There was trouble in Paradise. Okay. So so they started this trip in July and they were going to end the trip on Halloween, and they were going across country and they were going to visit a ton

of national parks. They were going to Utah, Wyoming, etcetera. They got into a couple of fights along the way, and then Brian came home September one in Gabby's van without Gabby. Don Don don Where's Gabby? That seems like a big problem. September eleven is when Gabby's mom filed a report that she was a missing person. And now Brian Laundry is on the run and in hiding, and we don't have much information because he and his family

have been pleading the fifth ever since. So that's the latest rundown in a nutshell of what's going on with the Brian Laundry case. Correct, But throughout this we've gone through many pivots, highs and lows. At the beginning, everybody thought that this was a publicity stunt. Everybody thought this was to instagrammers and vloggers who wanted to build their accounts. And because he had gone back to Florida to empty a storage unit in the middle of this trip, which

who does that? And they you know this, you know her missing was it makes absolutely nose and leaving her at a fair filled end by herself first a fair filled in put her in a five star hotel. My guy, you said you loved her, Yeah, don't don't leave her at the fair filled end. So this is when it

started with the publicity stunt. That's why unmuted. Which makes me think what you want to ask you guys a question as women, if your son was away with his fiance right and all of a sudden he came home without her, what would you be like, Oh, would you want to go camping for a couple of days, or would you like they just went together as a family, like they didn't think anything of it or they didn't care, Like, would you just do that? What are the chances are pathologic?

Goal liar Brian takes one to no one said to them, we got into a fight and she decided to stay and she's with a friend. Right, what if he made up this obscene lie. We don't know because his family hasn't spoken and he hasn't spoken, and especially because they're saying that, you know, there's been leaks that she was seeing somebody else during this time, which who knows, he could have had other people leak at this time. They were saying that, you know, she went to Dunkin Donuts

with another guy or whatever the donut place was. And that's true love if he takes you to duncan to put a ring on it. So, I mean there, they could have been on a break, and that could have been a story. It is an episode of friends. They were on a break, okay, going, But even if you're on a break, I just don't think you leave somebody across the country that lives with you, that you've known since you were you know, in high school. You would still worry about them as a parent and take her

wallet and her I D and spend her money and everything. Yeah, it seems like there is trouble in paradise there. So where do you guys stand on this? Say your son came home and he's like, yeah, we got in a fight. I have a wall in her phone. I left her there. Are you guys like, well, let's go camping and talk about it, or get your ass back there and get her, or say your son came home and said, hey, I accidentally killed her. What are you doing either one of you.

I'm calling the police immediately and saying my son murdered someone. I am one million if if my son came to me and said I left her there, I would say, all right, we're getting on a plane and we're going back. If he's if he's not admitting to me that he's killed her, If he said we're in a fight, I've left her there, I would either be on a plane myself going to get her to make sure that she's okay. If you if I thought there was a chance he was lying to me, or I would be you know,

calling and figuring it out. But I most definitely would not be in a city wation where I was going camping for four days and ignoring the situation. I want to be honest. They went camping twice. They with kids. They were with Cassie's kids, that his sister's kids, Teddy. The fact that you know his sister's name. Lets me know how much you are invested in this course. I'm invested in Cassie. Cassie has been all over the news. Cassie is not letting her face not be out there.

She is working it from all the angles, right. I just wanted to point out to the listeners that Leah said she would drive, she would take her son to jail, or she would rat him out. And I think part of that is because you want to take him to jail so you can also see your boyfriend. Thank you, Dmitri. I wish you hadn't pointed out the obvious. It's a two for one. I'm a Jew. I love a good deal.

So but but honestly, right, if it was a mistake, and by mistake I mean accident, if it was truly an accident, that either he pushed her and she fell, or it was a crime of passion, whatever it was, If it wasn't premeditated, right, and if it was truly an accident, he's pulling all of the classic I did it moves, you know, all of the I did it intentionally moves, And I think that is the biggest problem. But I think we we already know the type of parents.

I mean, I am I I kind of know it all and I'm not trying to be but this is you know what it is. He's no, we saw the notes. You're trying you know, you know it. We love to see it. But from what I have gathered, he's never really had a job, so his parents have kind of groomed him to be somebody that they've bailed him out of every situation. So why would they not bail him

out of this? Let me ask you a question, because I know you're a parent, Yes, as a parent, if a person who was a child essentially I mean on a child, but she's a young adult was living with you for a year and then she went missing and it was your son's fiance, longtime girlfriend, would your instinct be to show no signs of empathy. Absolutely not. I mean here's like the first, first and foremost, Like, I don't think, and I mean this may come off wrong.

I think if you were in a situation where you're ready to be fianced, if that's a word, you shouldn't be living with your parents. Well, if you're growing enough adults that you were ready to step into that next part of your relationship, where you're wanting to get married, where you're wanting to move into that next, you shouldn't be in your parents home, was right, Like that's the thing. Like you shouldn't been getting money from your parents. You

shouldn't be on your parents cell phone bill. You should be taking charge and taking part of your life. So like for me, of course, this is what his parents are gonna do. But this is what leads me to what's going on? Now? Why? Now? Why after three weeks have the FBI now just asked the dad to join the search? Well? Also, don't you feel like maybe the van is the equivalent of living in your parents basement but on wheels? But the van was hers right, what

she paid for. But but also, if your son was legitimately missing, Teddy, if your son was missing, wouldn't you be out in the streets looking for him, obviously your innocent son. If my dog, I don't have a dog, if my dog was missing, I would be seething the streets, posting flyers everywhere. I'd be the first. The FBI, oh they'd be They'd be miles behind me. You know, I

would have already formed my own search party. But what, guys, this is what you have to think about the reason why the right now, there is a lawyer that represents ROBERTA. Whatever the dad's name is. I'm blanking and Brian because the lawyer can represent somebody that's alive. The other thing is he's a real estate lawyer, which is super interesting

because this is a missing person and now homicide case. Actually, a lot of people are saying that he's a real estate lawyer, but he does have a lot of experience. He's um with different types of law. He's real real estate law, business law, civil and commercial litigation, personal injury, criminal cases, so he does cover a lot of stuff. So he's not just simply a real estate lawyer. Well, it's because he's their personal family friend, right and they trust him so that he can be on the ends.

He knows what's going on. The part that all that also just worries me and is why the parents didn't know what was going on, why Gabby's parents didn't what was going on prior. But also real quick, where is Brian laundry teddy? I don't know, I asked my kids. This just disturbing. Is he in the flower bed? Next? Don't think he's in the flower bed I really zoomed in, and I don't think he's in the flower bed, so

you know what we're talking about. There's a TikTok video that's gone viral of what appears to be a hand popping out of a flower bed and then Brian's mom passing something to the hand and back and forth, and this was all caught on footage from a TikToker who sent a drone over to the house. But if you zoom in, zoom in, it does look a little like a weed that she's Just before this all started, they

didn't have these flower beds there. Just to let you know, maybe they got a hobby because they need something to do. They needed something to do, so they picked up gardening when their son went missed. Because we know Kylin and Crystal, the two women who were on their honeymoon camping when they were murdered, that they were raped and shot to death, so we know it was a gun. It was a gun violence with Gabby. They haven't released it, and I think that's because the FBI doesn't want to show all

their cards. You know, just like when you're on a first date with someone, you just I don't want to show But different and ending in death. Your dates are slightly different than mine, Leat, I do. I do have another question though, involving the couple that was the you know, the the was found in Moab. The dad released something that said, please, psychics, quit reaching out to me. You're breaking my heart. I don't want to hear from you.

I only want to hear from professionals that know what happened to my daughter and her wife or fiance, I can't remember which one it was. If you guys had somebody in your life that was murdered, would you want to hear from a psychic on what they think happened. Yes, there was actually a psychic who was interviewed who predicted how they would find Gabby's body, which is really dark, and they predicted how he would find Brian as well, and he thinks the whole family is going to get

in trouble, which I think is really interesting. But the thing that really freaks me out about the double homicide of Kylan and Crystal is that they were found shot to death in a creek near their campsite on August eighteen, and the last time they were seen was August thirteen at Woody's tavern in Moab, and the place of work of one of these two women was the exact address that the police wrote down on the police report of the eyewitness who encountered Gabby and Brian in a fight

the angry night where he kept going in and out of the restaurant multiple times, and the women apparently called a friend and said, we are so scared. There was a guy who's really creeping us out our camp site and if you don't hear from us, we've been murdered. Not even called text, so it's not even it's on text message, like there's proof. Yeah, Teddy, that is pretty intense. And actually we've just received official word about the autopsy

that her death was by strangulation. I was afraid of that because that's the number one like for crimes of passion, right, yeah, it is. Oh, my stomach is doing backflips. I feel sick, which means that, I mean, I know that they weren't able to tell us what was under you know, her fingernails, or if any prints were attached. You know. All that they were able to give us in this press release was that she died by strangulation. But that's out of a crime of passion and which takes us to he's

still on the run, He's still on accounted for. Yeah, and I think it's interesting that his lawyer is saying that her death is a tragedy but made sure to note that Brian hasn't been charged with her death and that he's only considered a person of interest. And oh my god, I mean, who knows what they will claim, you know, because they can still claim his innocence if there are no fingerprints. I think allegedly. Um, I'll use the word allegedly as many times as I'm allowed to

end the sentence. But this is, this is really truly heartbreaking. I mean, we already knew she was murdered, but for some reason this, you know, I don't. I can't even remember if we talked about this today or we've talked about it on tech start that you and I've gone down so many discussions about this every rabbit hole out.

I mean, I think the thing that is also pretty upsetting is that all of the times that they were pulled over for the most part, or the police were called, there was some sort of physical hand violence going on. I it definitely makes you feel I'm actually I feel like I'm at a loss of words because now I'm at a place where I truly hope that his parents are helping the FBI, and that's why they haven't made

an announcement. That's why they haven't said. I really hope that that is why they're coming off as so cold, because why else hasn't there been a statement? Why else is you know? Why? You know, I even saw last night, you know, him going out in the middle of the night to cover up the picture of her. I mean, I hope that that is heartbreak. I hope that that is sadness. I hope that that is that just made me crazy too, you know, I hope that is all of those things. I hope that has, you know, because

they're helping law enforcement find their son. Because I know that with raising kids myself, if one of my kids were to do something like this, or allegedly do something like this, I know the shame I would feel as a parent of raising a child like that. M hm, because you can't help. I mean, I feel guilt, you know, if my you know, my kids, I don't know my kids argue at the kitchen table. I'm like, why did

I teach them that? Or whatever? It may be, so you know, I can't even imagine this, Okay, I thank you so much for your perspective, by the way, Teddy as a parent, because obviously I don't have that p o V. And this is just I feel like I'm crumbling on the inside right now. But I I'd like to get back into the other details of the case and you and I can have a private one on one conversation after we record today to go more into details. And I'll probably have myself a little cry after this.

But um, I think that we need to take a break. I think I need a break. Honestly, Uh, this was a lot um, So let's just take a quick break right now and we'll get back to more details of the case. Hello everyone, and welcome back to Real Time Crime and Teddy, I think it's time for us to talk a little bit about social media on the case.

My first instinct is we saw a post from Gabby on that says Happy Halloween, and she uses an emoji of a fly, which I've never or seen a woman do in an Instagram caption is used to fly emoji. But we do you know that Brian originally had it in his Instagram bio, but then he changed it to some leaves suspicious and she posted that in August, Happy Halloween in augusts does that hilarious? This means that the trip is over. The trip is symbolically over over, the

trip is over. But we know that she was seen on August, so she was still alive when this was posted, which lets me believe she might have actually posted it herself. I think she posted it herself, possibly saying it's over with him. It's over with him. That was her sign of it's done. Mic drop teddy, So I mean, she

looked beautiful, she looked happy it's over. But we also know that those were old photos because all the social media experts when Elwood's on the case and said her roots are different in this, her hair length is different in this, so it's obviously not something that was taken recently. And then but then they came back around and said that if you actually look from the side it is there is some like darker rolled in. It could have

been death filter. So like, we really don't know. We don't know, but what we do know, what in regards to social media, is that as this continued on, Brian started following less and less people as the days went on, and he followed and unfollowed a girl named Rebecca multiple times. Oh, I didn't know about Rebecca, but I do think he was maybe unfollowed by other people, like maybe people blocked him. I think people have curiosity and they would keep following

him out of curiosity. I don't think curiosity kills the cat. How would think more followers because especially because I remember he went live for you know three what it was. But the confusing thing about when he went live was remember it showed that plastic milk jug oh on the water. It was in the water, which lets me believe he might be in Mexico on a beach somewhere, sipping a

peanut Colada. Isn't there something saying that he is potentially with someone named Stand, which would make sense with the text messages involving a Stand that was like the text messages, remember when Gabby sent the text messages to her mom saying that Stan wasn't responding. Oh, it was just can you help Stand? And the thing is Stand is Gabby's

grandpa's name. So it feels very clear to Gabby's mom that those text messages weren't sent from Gabby and that they were probably sent from Brian because she would never call her grandfather Stand. So obviously something odd happened, and and apparently Stand kept calling and needed help with something. Right, But that could have been Stand the friend that lives in Mexico that Brian could potentially be with right now.

But why would Brian He might be in some sort of state cosis and actually messaging her messaging from the wrong phone meaning to text his mom and texted Gabby's mom, Teddy, did you just crack this case? I mean, I fall guys. I can't take the credit for this song. I follow like fifty five thousand sleuths. I can't. I don't even know. There's so much going on here. Do you feel the papers ruffling? I'm just imagining you late at night attaching drawing strings from one piece of evidence to the next.

Like have you seen the show Manifest? Lapped me with this case like I people are sending me other things. I'm like, I can't until this case is craped, like I am. What do you think about the guy you said he saw him on the Appalachian Trail? I don't know. I mean it could have been Dmitri. I just don't Probably was Dmitri. Dmitri, were you in the Appalachian Trail in the last And that's why even his sister has the same car. By the way, his sister also has

a Ford f one. It is also one of the most popular PI I was gonna say, they might have good like finance was real. That was real, my cousin, Vinny Leah, thank you. Same size tire, same size tire, I mean, and my biological clock is sticking like this. But I don't know, you guys, I think my I don't know why these are my other questions. Why they're not in the reserves searching at night, Why they only do it in the day because they don't want to get eaten by an alligator. How's he surviving if he

is there? I don't know. I think, you guys, there's a lot that we don't know. I tending. I think not only are you right, however, I think we got to go back to the social media angle for a second and bring in Dog, the bounty hunter who's now in the case. Which why doesn't he have an Instagram? Doc doesn't have an I G Maybe I look, no one puts dog on a leash I mean dog can be chamed. He cannot. And honestly, if he's not my next boyfriend, I'd be surprised by the way my hair

right now looks like dogs. I'm so upset by it. Just looking into this thing. I'm really dog. Okay, if dog, If dog has your hair, then dog is hot. That's all I know. Oh, dog does have an Instagram. I'm wrong. What is dog's Instagram? Oh, Dwayne dog Chat? Why? I mean dog, he needs to be under dog. Maybe dog was taken. His name is Dwayne, I guess. Yeah, do call a fast one on us. He does kind of look like a Dwayne. He does. He kind of gives

need the essence of the rock. You know, remember when everybody thought that the dog put up the flyer that said like we're after you, Brian or whatever, it was the dog, But then somebody else actually just did that. Yeah, I mean here's the other thing, right. A YouTuber family YouTube family Red White and Bethune found footage of Gabby's van and that's how they found her body, the one when it was open, when her sneakers, i mean, we're her flip flops for sitting. Yeah, where they saw him

digging in the back. So that's also kind of more of like the hand in the flowerbed situation, where it's you see it if you want to see it. Does it could just be a shadow. I felt like I saw it, but then I tried to unsee it, and I was able to unsee it. I never saw the door shut like where they said they saw the like I saw that when I tried. That was the thing where they like showed them pulling up. The YouTuber was pulling up and they said the door was shutting. I

never saw that. But I did see the body in the back looking like he was digging in the background, I mean Dmitri. Yes, Dmitri looks like he's ready to chime in again. He's like hot and bothered. Oh no, no, this is no, it's it's solid points. We do have to take a break. But I also when we come back, I want you guys to answer the question are we going on a break? We're done, okay, just listen, We're

gonna take a break, but think about this. When we take a break, I want to talk about the sister given. I want you guys to talk about the sister giving interviews, Okay, because there's something she's saying she's going against the lawyer, you know, and coming out and speaking because she doesn't know what to do. And she's saying she doesn't know if he did or not, but she came out, which a lot of people thought was weird. So let's take a quick break, but then think about that. Let's talk

about that. Thank you for giving us our homework assignment, Dmitri. We'll work on it, and we're back. Welcome to real time crime. I would like to talk a little bit about how Brian is a weird survival guy. Can I say weird survival guy? I feel like he's the kind of guy that goes to the gym and puts the treadmill on an incline with a full backpack. You know, he's one of those apocalypse people. But apparently he lived in the Appalachian for months without essentially many food or

beverages or anything. I couldn't even live off of one cracker for an hour. I need I need a sleeve of crackers per minute. I don't know how he could do that. What kind of cracker would you even eat? I sun free vegan cracker, but you know what, to be honest, I haven't had a cracker since I had food poisoning, So I don't know what I'm talking about. You could, you could never You chose was a cracker. All of the delicious food treats, you chose a cracker.

When I think about cans of beans or apples, I don't know what survivors eat. I think survivalist people, you know, they just eat things and cans, and that, honestly just is disgusting to me. I don't think I could ever do that. How many days do you think you can make it over? Under five? I would say around three hours. If Dmitri took care of you the whole time. How many days, Well it depends. Did I chip a nail? I don't know. Do you have acrylics or gel extensions.

I've got gelics. You clearly would not be able to do this, because if if you were hiding up, you'd be like, Okay, guys, I'm turning myself in. This is over. Here's what's going to happen now? I'm you guys are gonna be calling me off the chain. Where's Leo? We're trying to record another episode and I'm in the woods proving Dmitri wrong. She's in the wilderness with six wits, ritz crackers, sleeves. Just it's got a ton of naked men fanning me with leaves. It's really incognito. Why do

they have to be naked? You just go on the next season of Naked and Afraid. We'll talk about you. It should be, should be to spin off Naked and Afraid with crackers. Yeah, I think I would never be afraid. I would. I think we would just call the show just naked hot. It sounds hot, just naked and starving and hungry, naked and hungry with serial killer books. Yeah, and I'd watch it. It sounds pretty good. Anyway, back on backup point, Well, we had hallmarks to doing between

the last break we've already forgotten. Failed because the professor Dmitre. Professor Dimitri gives us an f Why am I stuttering? Dimitri? Do you make me nervous? It's been that long since she got to go to jail to visit her guy. It has been over a year. In general, thank you. It's because we've been in the panty. We could blame it on the pandemic, where we could blame it on me. At this point, we're not sure. I think we've passed

the point of blaming things on the pandemic. You know, I feel like this podcast is going to be cotton, part true crime and part like dating. For you you can be like, if he didn't kill her, So I mean, honestly, part true crime, part dating is just true crime. Single we're moving to the homework. The sister. The sister gave an interview to the press and she said that she's the lawyer has been trying to muzzle to get her

to be quiet and stuff like that. But she came out and spoke, what's your take on that, Well, she heard the word muzzle and called dog immediately and yeah, rough, and then uh, I think that I can't tell if Cassie saying that the lawyer through who under the bus

and she's not talking to her family. I can't tell if this is some sort of publicity stunt and or if this is what the lawyer has told her to do, because maybe if it looks like there's division in the family, that there's something that maybe it just juices the story up. I don't know, it maybe it takes away from where's Brian and more about what's going on the family. I mean, I don't know. Maybe we're pulling focus. Who's to say I disagree with you? I think that we forget this.

Sometimes news media will, news outlets will pay people for interviews. Who to say that she just maybe she needs some more Instagram followers. I don't think it's for Cloud. I think if somebody's willing to pay you a certain amount of money and you don't have any information, it's neither here nor there, why not take it. I think that's how she's feeling. I mean, she's not really giving anything either way. It's not helping solve the case or hurting him.

I had empathy for her, you do why. I feel like in her interview, she comes out on her lawn and she's being interviewed by her neighbors. So it feels like she finally snapped and she just had enough to me. She wanted to know. She wanted to set the record straight and be like, you know what, I'm mad at them too. I don't have anything to do with this. I'm just blood related to this person. That's kind of what it feels like to me. But she also went on that camping trip and they were like, did you

ever ask about Gabby? And she was like, no, it never came up. What it never came up? Okay, so this goes again into the theory. Right. Well, also she said something very interesting, right, Cassie said, silence is not guilt. But she's not being silent. No, no, no, But she's talking about Brian. Right. I there's there's a small chance that the smallest chance, there's the smallest chance in the world that he told his parents we got into a fight and she ran away and I have no idea

where she is. There's the smallest chance. And then maybe he said when we go on the camping trip, I don't want to talk about it. Can we not bring it up with everyone? Or maybe we tell everyone that, you know, we're taking a break or whatever it is, so that they didn't talk about it. There's the smallest chance that's true. Right. Well, let's say that that smallest chance is true. I have zero empathy for that, because there's already footage of people calling in saying that they

saw him slapping and hitting her. So even if it was an accident, there's already proof that he's abused her. But I'm talking about his sister. There's a chance that she didn't get the truth, right, But most likely if he's been abusing her on this camping trip, that's not the first time, especially uh because of the van. I don't think it's just because of the van. I don't.

I don't know, I I I don't know, but I don't imagine, especially if this was happening back at the nightclub with the best friend where he was she wasn't allowed to go and he had her. I D. All that happened back in Florida. Like to give you guys backstory, there was a time before this camping trip ever even

happened where she where. Gabby wanted to go with her best friend to a night out and Brian hit her, I D And it became this huge, big fight because she wasn't allowed to go, and it was like and the best friend came out and did these news reports and said how controlling he was and how you know this was an ongoing thing. So I think everybody and Gabby's life knew how controlling he was. Super emotionally abusive, correct, which if you are emotionally abusive allegedly and then we're

hearing about is really proud of us job. But the FBI is now claiming that they were keeping an eye on him from the beginning. I'm like, well, who's keeping an eye on him? Like, yeah, your watchdog blows my guy? Yeah, Like what do you mean, who who? Like, how would you let him go? Yeah? They said we were watching him. We got distracted because they put in flower beds and then he was we know. They were like, I'm sorry, Ship's Creek was on. We couldn't look away. I get it.

It's a really good show, you know. I just think that I truly think if they would release more information that the Internet could probably find this guy faster. At this point, I think the Internet still will find him faster because the Internet keeps throwing tips about where they think he might be. They thought they saw him mental Walmart, they thought they saw him in Canada, in Mexico, the

Appalachian Trail, and this is news from predators. Tiktoker's YouTuber's people on Instagram, Twitter, everyone's firing off trying to find this guy. So I have a feeling. I have a feeling someone from the social media sleuth family will find him. And if it's not Dog, it's gonna be a YouTuber. I hope it is Dog. I hope it's me. I hope it's as you know, someone, and I hope it's soon. And I hope that whatever way that she did end up going, I hope it wasn't long and drawn out.

I really do. I hope that it was fast. Well. I think we can agree that we all are so sad about this obvious tragedy that occurred, and that there were so many warning signs, and it felt like this was the third strike. The first strike was the first police call, the second strike was the second police call, and you know, the third was then fighting at the restaurant. And if you guys are fighting that much in such a short amount of time, it's a really bad sign.

Especially when you're an enclosed vehicle with the same person for months, you're bound to go crazy. If I was alone by myself in an enclosed vehicle like that, who knows what happened, I'd I'd probably be like Tom Hanks, uh with Wilson, you know, I would just be absolutely I'd be crazy at this point, it Willson, you know, I mean, who knows. So if you add another human being to that equation, probably not good. It can't be good.

It can't be good. And I think for so many people, especially this year was so hard and everybody was looking for an outlet. And I just think that is a big reminder about social media. I think Gabby was trying to create a life that didn't exist for herself through social media, and like within our kids, within our life, within you know, everything that's going on. That's that's the most heartbreaking part. You know, they said they never left

the van. Really, even though they're creating this illusion that they're like doing these huge hikes, they're doing this, they're living these adventures, that's not what was happening. Is it possible it's because he wouldn't let her, he would let her leave. I probably because I did here, So we're running out of time, But I did. Hear um a father of a woman who had been murdered from domestic violence before. He said, domestic violence is like climbing up

a graduate hill. Not until you turn around and look back do you realize how much it's escalated. And I thought that was pretty powerful. I have I too, have four kids, and three of them are girls, and this kind of ship bugs the hell out of me. So something like that, I think all these things, we look back at them and we're like, oh, well, there's this, there was this, there was this, but you don't really know.

I mean, I think I think the biggest thing is if if anybody listening has realized that you've been isolated from everybody else, If the person that you're with is isolating you from your friends, from your family, from everybody, that's a huge that's a huge warning sign. And another warning sign is if a man wants to take you on a camping trip. I just like with crackers. Okay, so people listen right out of time, but before we go.

This has been something that's been brought up in the media news also, and it's you know, obviously caused some controversy. Why the obsession with this case? Obviously there are other people that have gone missing and this and that a lot of people are saying it's because she was white and she's blond and she's cute. Why do we why

are we obsessed with this case? I think for me, what happened was I was so tired of hearing about COVID, and then I saw a notification on Twitter that just caught my intrigue because it was literally the only thing that wasn't about COVID. On my timeline and then I just got pulled in. And I think when people catch a crime in real time, it is interesting because you know, when there's a missing person and the story start to not add up and it's obvious that there might have

been foul play, you just get intrigued. And I know that I had actually just watched Click Click Bait on Netflix. I don't know if you guys have seen that shop so hot? Yeah, the show so good. Sorry, that's what I meant to say. And and it is a very similar case. And it's all about social media getting involved in a murder and with dating apps and cat fishing and people on the internet wanting to be detectives and

salutes and it just felt so interconnected. After having just watched a show about it, I felt like I was an episode of The Truman Show. I was like, oh my god, this is happening in real time right now. And so that's what I got, almost like crack at it did to it? What about you, Teddy? For me?

I I've always been this way, um any time, I mean this year, especially because because of COVID and because you know there is that time, you know, there's that downtime where you know, people say you should be focusing on being present, but that's where, like I will really dig into it. I've been like that for a couple

of different things. Army Hammer this year, I got obsessed with wanting to know every single detail about that, Britney Spears, conservativeship this, and I think that you know, especially with this case, I think there's just so many unknowns and I think most of the time with cases, you have a general idea why, and this from the very beginning, you're lost. Well, also, did you know that murders were

down last year because everyone was at home? Murders were down, but suicide was up, Domestic violence was up because you know, mental mental illness, and you know abuses up because you know it's people were really unhappy and they still are. I think pandemic or no pandemic, most people are unhappy.

But I think that you know and it It sounds trivial, but I think talking about it and having those conversations and for me even doing the research and learning about it, and even though yes we are making light of a very heavy situation at times, helps educate on how severe a situation can get. Absolutely, but that was also why I got so invested in the case because I saw a little bit of myself and her where I thought that could have happened to anyone on a camping trip.

And I know that when I was in a tent with my boyfriend or when we were going hiking and we're in this isolated area. At times, I got really uncomfortable too. You have to really trust someone and know someone to go camping, and so many people go missing in the area where they were all the time. They've already found another body that was missing because of this case, I know, I mean and and in closing because I know we have to wrap up, but imagine it being

the person that brought you there. This is so heartbreaking. Thanks you guys so much for joining us for our very first, but not our very last deep dive. Oh my god, Jesus, very heavy. Thank you for joining us at Real Time Crime. I've been Lea Lamar and I'm Teddy Mellencamp. See you next week for more real time crime. It's real time grad real time gra I mean, is it actually real time crime? I'm solving anything or is that just the thing we say? It's a thing we say,

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