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feel about this? I'd like to say that I'm surprised, but I'm not. This is yeahs Teddy. Yeah. Ever since you lost that Fannie pack, I feel like she's become someone else and who knows, maybe her vacation is back there looking for it because she seemed oddly attached to it. But wow, she's getting too close to the case. Ye she moving back to Asben to track down her Fannie back. Oh boy? Okay, well, Teddy, we miss you, but lucky for us, we have a guest host today who's a

dear friend of mine and absolutely hilarious human being. You may know him from his one hour Comedy Central special Don't Be Yourself, a Comedy Central half hour special from Conan six times and probably more than that by now. The Tonight Show with Jimmy Fallon, Late Show with Stephen Colbert showtimes Live at south By Southwest. Can you hear that? I'm dying slowly? Every credit inside a shomer. I think I've forgotten how to read at this point. Um, it's

my friend, Mark Norman. Mark, welcome to Real Time Crime. I'm exhausted after reading just one third of your credits. Hey, good to be here, Thanks for having me, and uh boy, I wish you were my mom. She doesn't know any of those credits, so that's nice to hear in great eyebrows. Wow, Mark, I am actually your mom. Lucky you and I have photos of you clipped out and put on my refrigerator. Is that a crime? No? No, it's very nice. Thank you remind you to not eat? Yeah, this is my intervention.

Thank you. I have been on the bounce recently. Okay, just can we set up this scenario? Just what people can't see right now? Ye? Sunglasses on? He's clearly in a hotel room. I assume otherwise he has modeled his home after a hotel sheets are in disarrayed behind him, like something has gone on. It's it's I'm gonna say it's it's relatively morning time and he's got sunglasses on,

so what's up. It looks like he just committed a crime, like you're you're you're at a ramada in looking at a nineties cube television wondering where it all went wrong. The only crime is I stole a woman's heart. No, no, it's just just one woman from the look of that hotel room, one woman and two men. But yeah, this is the road, folks. You know, I'm on the road arm in Syracuse. It's twelve degrees outside. I've already masturbated six times, so it's nice to be on a zoom. Yes, yeah,

I got to eight this morning right before this. Well send me the video, I will um. I'm so glad you knew I filmed it. That's another crime that Mark actually has a camera in my apartment somewhere. I assume you're on only fans. Every every lady, I know it is on only fans. They're cleaning up. I'm not. I'm actually on only feet. Turned out I didn't have any fans. Those are huge. Yeah, I got quite a huff. Yeah, wait till you see this big toe. Um, oh boy,

it could take out a tiny village. So Mark, they're asking how we know each other. I got pieced it together, but go ahead. I just loved Marge hotel room. Yes here, No, it was actually the maid It's tip with the candlestick in the library on the way to put it. Yeah, we met what six years ago? Yeah? Years ago on the comedy scene, and everybody just kind of intermingles. It happens wor at the story the improv I'll show who knows.

I think it was something way less glamorous. I'm trying to think back into my comedy spank Bank, and I think we were in the East Village. That's the name of Louie's new album. By the way. Yeah, oh I thought you met Louis Anderson. Alright, oh no, geez, alright, alright, p you know you mean louise E K Yeah, Bank, that was right there. Um, yeah, you're right, you're right, my bad. I yeah, I think we met at a show.

I feel like, okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna share this and if you hate me after take a number, you know. So We were at a very old show in I feel like it was like seventh and St. Seventh and Avenue A or first Niagara. Yes, it was at Niagara. And the entire audience didn't speak English. Yeah, that's kind. And you were running your set that you were doing the next night for like Fallon or Colbert or something, and and we everyone was bombing yeah, because they literally

didn't understand. And then you got to Colbert fall In the next night and turns out those foreign tourists for the audience exactly. I remember seeing you, remember thinking this is the first time I've seen an attractive Jew. I was blown away. Thank you so much, no kidding? Yeah, um no, Actually, Mark, you're not Jewish. That's the crime. I wish all my heroes are. So let's get to

the bottom of this. So I'm sure people want to know by now, with the tension that's in the air, did you guys ever hook up O never by coast? You know, I know that sounds crazy, but um, if you can believe this, Mark respected me. Yeah, I know it is rare. I mean, um yeah, anyway, I guess was what my guess was that you hadn't because if you had, then for you to say, would you come on my podcast? I think he would be a little more hesitant than sure. So she's a good egg. You know,

she's a funny lady and I'm I'm down. It's always good to see her. Oh, Mark love you. Okay, Wait, Mark, you know, I think some of the fans might want to know more about you because they're used to just me and Teddy rambling on about nothing. So you don't look like Teddy. You're not Teddy. Um, You're Mark Mormon, a legend, a comedy king. How did you get involved in comedy? Did you always want to be a stand up comedian? Let's just start from the basics. Uh, well,

you know it's boring, old story. Rudderless guy, loser lived in a house with five guys in Louisiana. You know you lived in a house with hamburgers. Yeah, exactly, And uh it was rough. And then I just started doing open mics out of just sheer loserdom. I had nothing going to want to kill me. Yeah, and I just fell in love with it. And I always love comedy, but being a comedian was like being an astronaut. But I just said kind of moving to New York what

else is going on? I got nothing to lose, and I just became immersed in the comedy scene and that was it. I found my colleague. You really put the mers in immersed. Yeah, exactly. You are male nurse of the profession, like the word for a Fannie Pack Commerci love that for you. Um. I also love that you compared stand up comedy to being an asteroid. Oh man, I mean same skill set honestly to get into. Very hard to be good at, sure, but yeah, I never

thought I can do it. But you know, you just take it one step at a time and you get there. And here we are now. I'm an hotel room in Syracuse living the dream. That's right. So just to tie it into the show, have you ever committed a crime? And if so, what was it? Many? Many? I have a I'm a kleptomaniac. Actually, I have a shoplifting from I'm like a mail went on a rider. Go on, uh yeah, I just get a kick out of it. I don't even need half of it. I steal like

a Snickers bar. I'd never steal from someone's home or anything like that, but corporations and like a seven eleven. I'm the airport, I'm sticky fingers. Norman don't here. Oh my god, you're really good at comedy. Robin hood over here. Yes, yes, just handing out half eating Snickers bars on the street to people. Yeah, there you go. Should we have the hotel check your luggage before you leave? No, please don't. It's full of towels and shampoos. And I got a

lamp in there. So yeah, how was the rope was it? Was it nice enough to steal? Yeah? The robe? I got a million robes at home. I love the robe. I just can't especially the airport where they're screwing you so hard on like a nineteen dollar sandwich. I'm like, I gotta take this wrap. It's really good of the people. I thought you're gonna say nineteen dollar flight, and I was like, yeah, I also flight scary um. And I'd like to thank one of our sponsors here today. So okay, wait,

have you ever gone to jail a few times? Yeah, to visit people or like just conjugal visits, drunk tanks. You know, you've got to sleep in jail overnight. And then one or I got caught peeing at a waffle house. In the waffle house and a cop walked in and saw me, So I went to jail. And when you say peeing in the waffle house, you mean not in the bathroom. Yeah, exactly. That was so good the pancakes.

I love that you said. But a cop walked in and caught me, Like like, that's the only thing that could have happened that would have gotten you in trouble. Not anybody else eating or the people that walked that worked at the waffle house. Well, they don't care. Those waiters. They could give two ships, you know literally, Uh yeah, being in the waffle house. Had to go to jail for that one. A lot of peeing in public, a lot of drunken public stuff like that, d y, too

much booze. But murderous dismemberment. We're clean. Yeah, no, no murder, no, no hurting, no uh physical harm, no murder. Thank you so much for your time, Mark, But we're gonna have to look for a new guest house. Thank you. So uh yeah, one day I'll run over a kid or something, but who knows. Yeah, okay, wait, okay, But I love the idea of a drunk tank where they just take care of you. They're just picking a blanket and give you a burrito. It's pretty nice. Yeah, I mean they

kind of mean to you. They throw you in a cell and yell at you. But okay, now you're turning me on, Mark watch good Time? Oh boy, okay, Mark? Do you do you like any true crime cases? Do you have any true crime cases that are do you find crazy or funny or weird? I think they're all pretty entertaining. I mean I watched all the Netflix talks, the the what is it? The Sunshine Killer? Sunch no, oh ship, what's that guy? Golden Gate? Golden Gate, that one's great. I love the zodiac. I love the one.

What's the guy? You mean the documentary is not the actual murderers, right, Yeah, but you know they're fascinating, so many good ones. Mark, what's your zodiac? I think I'm a virgo. The start acting like one. Oh all right, I don't know what that means. I don't know what that means. Okay, what are you a Doris? Dar you? I'm a Gemini? Oh nice, that's a good Galileo walked so that basic women in l A could run. I'm

so I don't know anything about that. Yeah. I love when people blame stuff on their on their zodiac sign. You know, I'm I'm a aquarious, so we uh, you know we're allowed to be. So you're like, all right, right in Dmitri, didn't you post on your Instagram something thing, story, something story, something about like the zodiac signs that match with every serial killer and most of them were Gemini. Yeah? I actually, actually I didn't post that. I sent it to you. Um yeah, I was proud that there were

no leos on there. Did I just hurt your feelings that I forgot a one on one interaction? No, I'm fine. I just wanted it. I didn't want people know perusing my social media going all the way back looking for it. It's not there. I heard the I heard the whimper when you first started that sentence. I was thinking, that's so. I think, alright, so get back, all right. I think it's time for us to get into some hot topics for today. And look, I don't think that these cases

are like when we talk about Galene Maxwell Mark. I just expect you to be you. That's all I'm gonna say. I'm a fan. She doesn't a recruiter. Okay, but we're gonna take a quick break before we get into hot topics and welcome back to real time crime. We're gonna get into our hot topics. We're gonna start off first with a woman who was stabbed to death while working at luxury l a furniture store in a very random daytime and attack. Oh my god, this story is so tragic.

We all heard about this last week. A twenty four year old woman was stabbed while working at a high end furniture store in Hancock Park. Brianna cup For of the Pacific Palisades was killed Thursday by a man who was unknown, but we've actually tracked him down. We'll get to that in just a second. And he entered the store Croft House on North Leabria, stabbed her and she was found dead by a customer who reported this to the police. The suspect has now been named, and he

fled through a back door after the attack. Surveillance footage obtained by multiple local news outlets showed him calmly walking northbound down an alley behind the crime scene. This murder

is very tragic. She was a graduate of both Brentwood High School and the University of Miami, and you know she had been working toward a degree in architectural design at u c l A. Riley Ray, the co owner of the Croft House Furniture store, told the l A Times that Kupfer had actually been working at the business for just over a year before the attack. She was an intelligent, poised, well like woman and saying that she

was mature beyond her years. So they found an assault weapon at the three block of North Obray around one pm local time on Thursday, according to the l A p D. And the suspect and the victim allegedly were not known to each other prior to the attack, so this does seem pretty random. And also Um told the CBS l A the suspect had entered a chiropractic practice literally right before he walked into Croft House and just

stabbed this woman. Okay, so we know now that thirty one year old Seawan Laval's Smith was taken into custody in Pasadena on Wednesday, and Pasadena police say Smith was spotted by a citizen who recognized him from photos. Actually was a bartender Um who recognized him from photos that were distributed around, and officers found him on a bus bench arrested him and the bartender at this Pasadena restaurant recognized him um for using the bathroom. So this guy

is just going into lots of local businesses. Make people use the bathroom when they go in a restaurant, they don't the restaurant. Good point. Good point. My first question was this guy wearing a mask? I hope. So what's interesting is that you said he fled, but as you pointed out, he literally did this, walked out the back door, casually walked down the alley, and then my understanding is he went to a store and returned something like thirty minutes later. But to me, we're gonna get to them

to a second. But also this arrest comes after police announced two our reward for any information of his whereabouts suspicious. To me, he was considered armed, in dangerous And then apparently he had been arrested a dozen times, starting in in South Carolina, and he's also arrested for a misdemeanor in Covina. I guess he had possession of stolen property in which he was cited and later released. And Dmitri, you apparently actually have a connection to this story. I do.

The the friend of mine is the one that owns the chiropractic business next door where he had gone in first. So apparently he went in there before that happened, and he asked the receptionist a few questions, random questions sort of like what kind of work they did there? And they were actually, um, it was relatively. It wasn't like he seemed confused or this, and that he was asking relatively intelligent questions. And then he left. Um, what what

do you say, relatively? Is the earth flat or round? Do you have not philosophical no? Um, I forget. He actually asked if they do a certain sort of chiropractic work or certain orthopedic work there. Okay, So so an

intelligent question. That's he impertinent to the business, not something random, right, And so my understand my thinking here is that he went in there, um, and luckily he heard my friend who owns the business in the back, like I guess she made some noise or called out or something, and then he ended up leaving, if you were to think about it, because the next next door then he went

next door. I don't know if he was waiting to go in there to to to kill um in the furniture store for a reason, or if he was just looking for someone that was alone, so he didn't even steal anything, right, So it's just like randomly went into

a store just to kill someone. Yeah, and so my my thinking is it very well could have and they were very shaken obviously next door at the office, because I mean, who knows if if he thought that receptionist was there a loan, it very well could have been there. Um doesn't crazy, you know. Obviously it's sad either way. I think the thing that's so shocking is that it

seems like there's just no motive at all. Also, I'm gonna say this, I am disturbed by this case, specifically by the number of men who sent me this case thinking I'd be interested in it because she was hot. Yeah. Yeah, I thought about sending it to you. No, but it's true. If the woman is attractive, the story gets elevated a lot. I think it's a weird kind of picking and choosing we do. If she was like an overweight lady with an eyepatch, we'd go, what a shame, and that we

move on. But if she's hot, it gets a lot more pressed. Well, I think that's what everyone was talking about with the Gappy Potito case. Is that a lot of people were alarmed that the only they felt like the only reason it got so much attention was that she was a beautiful blonde woman, right right, Yeah, Okay, So now that the suspect been caught, where do we

think this goes? M M this this? You know, I I think that maybe this is like a mental illness situation, mental illness like with great responsibility, with great power comes the great responsibility, like either you become a comedian with it, or you know, I mean, listen, if if what you were saying, mark the chance of him rehabbing or rehabilitating when you do something like that in that cold of blood and it does literally we have camera footage that

it doesn't even FaZe him. Yeah, there was no remorse, There was no oh my god, what have I done? There was no I know, I see that as a different type that than someone that could possibly be rehabilitated. Dmitri are sure they have the right person. I mean, I haven't been there, but I feel I mean, they're pretty, they seem pretty confident, and it seems to match. Yeah. I think this is obviously again super devastating. So sorry to her friends and family. This is absolutely tragic and Yeah,

this guy should be behind bars for life. All right, let's get into glade. Max Well, I honestly can't wait to stop talking about her. But our faive just Lane, Um, I mean Galane. I'm gonna say jis Lane because I can't not thank you. So she's gonna end her fight to keep eight John Doe secret. The court is going to decide whether the name should be unsealed. I mean just sounds like she doesn't want to get suicideed. Who do you think the eighth John does are? And how

many of them are still alive? There's definitely more than eight, is my opinion. I mean, for real, you really think there's only eight people that that we're part of this entire island? And okay, how many Clinton's. It's a wide variety. We've got Clinton, we got Prince Andrew, We've had Chelsea Handler on that plane. It's it's a real grab bag of celebrities, like a mad lives. I mean, I don't want to yeah, I don't want to upset anyone, but

I did hear Santa was on there? Oh? No, of course the Jewish person would tread to burn sa Yeah, the royal family, naughty children, the royal family is not even waiting right there, just rolling over on on the prince, so basically stripped him of his titles and his whatever. And they're like, hey, good luck with all that. He has to fight the lawsuit as a private citizen. That's they really, they just immediately stripped him. That's pretty crazy. I thought they'd fight for one of their own na

the style. It's so much hr and PR with them. They gotta just they gotta go with the flow r pr e er. Yeah, it's the only o there. All right. Yeah, that's all I got our word, Oh god, treat okay? Alright. So so here's what's going on, um alright. The documents containing the names of the a John does or can acted to a twenty fifteen deep deep comation defamation am I okay case brought by Virginia Roberts, Garraffe, Joffrey Shop. You know, I looked this up ahead of time, Dmitri.

The documents containing the names of the eight John does are connected to a twenty fifteen defamation case brought by Virginia Roberts to Frey, who claimed Epstein sexually abused her while she was a miner, and that Maxwell aided in the abuse case was settled in twenty seventeen. Maxwell sixty paces up to sixty five years in prison after she was recently found guilty in a New York federal court on five federal charges, including sex trafficking of a minor.

The charges were related to her role in Epstein's sexual abuse of minor girls between two thousand four. After careful review of the detailed objections submitted by non party does seventeen fifty one, put are those numbers mean? Count's like, all, I'm so curious about all the number isn't Yeah, there's not eight if we're going up to huf one? Yeah, yeah, this is the whole island right here. Um. She doesn't

want to address the objections any further. Maxwell's attorney row each of the listed does has counsel who have ably asserted their own respective privacy rights, and she's going to leave it up to the court to conduct the appropriate review. This is her just like just flicking her middle finger up. But everyone right, Yeah, I think so. The ultimate middle finger would be that say those names though, yes, yes too,

it's too risky. What a bummer for her? Well, doesn't she know that they're gonna they're gonna announce the names, do you think so? Do you think the judge will release the names? Well, well, if the judge doesn't get suicided, I mean, I think it would be crazy, right, I think it would be crazy if he didn't like she's not She's definitely got you know, a good chunk of the blame is to what went on, But that doesn't

mean that other people shouldn't be guilty as well. Um, well, let's get to part two of this story, where I'm not so sure she's gonna stay guilty forever. I think she's trying to bring everyone else down and just get out of jail and then probably joined Bezos and Elon Musk in space. That's my best guess, you know. Yeah, she went from just a regular airplane to a spaceship, and I'm sure the girls in there will be great. But the sources say intruding young aliens. Yeah, they've moved

on from Earth links. They're like, wow, Harshen looks so young. Okay, so all right. Prince Andrew likely dated Glen friend and ex Royal guard claims so. According to friends and a Formal Royal production officer, they claimed that Jeffrey Epstein's Madam was constantly in and out of Buckingham Palace, and I'm sure he was also in and out of her former allegedly former palace cop Paul Page What a Name? Paul Paige Okay said in a new documentary that Maxwell became

a regular visitor from two thousand one. Theory Andrew and his sex accuser were photographed in Maxwell's London home. How come they didn't moved into Florida in the first place. New York is not the right place to live if you want to commit ms demeters, go to Florida like everyone else. Yeah, well, actually has a place there. Have you been, Mark? I went and visited. I did a gig down there, and you gotta go see it. You know, you got hired for a private gig. Exactly was it

an island? Would you say? Or? Um? Did they ask you to do clean comedy? Because he said, if I can pee in the kitchen, we have a deal. But I'll say I'm I'm happy that she dropped that case because remember, I had a problem. I have a problem with all these cases where you know people that the the other reports of who else was involved don't come out when people go ahead and they die, or they and they don't share. To me, that's that's a missed opportunity,

Like you said, and they die. It's like you know, however it may be. Yeah, I hear you. I assume or is everybody in agreement that you'd like to know who these people are? Of course? Of course, yeah, we need I think we're on a need to know basis

and where we need to know, yes, exactly. Also just a fun little detail here, So apparently Galaine described Andrew Prince Andrew as being her friend, not Jeffrey's, and she made a specific mention of that, and then also that Andrew was known for having fifty or sixty stuffed toys on his bed at the palace, and if the bears weren't put back in the right order by the maids, he would shout and scream and become very effensive. Is this when he was a child or as an adult?

I think this is which lets meet. Now I understand more why the royal family was just like go away. I think they had of his Yeah, yeah, I like the idea of him walking around the palace looking for Pokemon. I mean, we talked about the old soul. This guy is the other thing where he's just young at heart.

Jesuise stuffed animals. Get it together, your your royalty. I think can you imagine working at the Royal Palace and being yelled at by an by an adult for not putting stuffed animals back in the right order or place? I know, right, I mean, how do you How does that not have murderer written all over it? Yeah? Yeah, and I think they're probably the stuffed animals were a little harder, if you know what I mean. They could talk, Christy. Could we not put any cameras in any of them?

I mean, come on? But now well so so. Prince Andrew was being sued by Duffrey, who has long claimed that Epstein and Maxwell made her have sex with him three times, starting when she was just seventeen. And Prince Andrew has always denied these allegations. And this is when he got stripped of his Royal highness title. And now he has to fight the lawsuit as a private citizen. Now here's the part that is about to get real murky. According to an attorney for Glenn, they filed a motion

requesting a new trial. The motion is under seal, but apparently the letter from her attorney, Bobby Sternheim, requests that all documents pertaining to Juror number fifty remain under seal until the court rules on the motion. So apparently during number fifty came out after the case and after everything was sent and done, said that he gave gave multiple post trial interviews saying that he had been sexually abused as a child. He gave interviews to The Independent Daily

Mail Reuters as Scottie David. That's his first middle name. He said he shared his own story with all the fellow jurors during deliberations and that it helped influence their decision. Defense attorneys argued in a court filing that the Supreme Court has ruled that a defendant is entitled to a new trial if a party can show a juror failed to answer a material question honestly during jury questioning. The parties are still litigating the issue and Nathan will eventually

return on the motion for a new trial. Literally, it feels like Gallaine's team paid this guy. I don't know, this is crazy. I like to give a quick shout out to um the Queen though, for being like pretty badass. Right, She's like a mob Boston, and she's like, oh wait, what happened? You're out, like you just cut them from the family. Yes queen, um, yes, literal queen in English. Say with that that legal document was basically getting at

what was the gist there? Basically, Yeah, So basically what's going to happen is they're probably going to say there was a mistrial because this juror went in and tried to convince everyone from his POV after being sexually abused that she was definitely abuser and swayed the jury. And so now they're going to have another trial and drop the charges of her being guilty and then have a new trial and I'm sure they'll pick the jersey and she'll be scott free. Okay, well, got it, well said.

But that's interesting. If she was holding on to that hope, why would she really? I mean, maybe the court will just do it in that order anyway, but why say, I'm not going to fight who it is anymore? Because what happens if those names get released and then there's a a follow up trial or maybe that will help her in the long run. I think it will help her in the long run. I mean I think there's going to be a retrial. Yeah, I think so. And what if the queen was one of the eight people,

that would be fun. He'd definitely be the oldest person on that island by a mile. M I was, I mean, I don't know. I think Betty White was also there, but I was there. And this this is his out, you know, Louis, And why is everyone dying? Suddenly? It's we're losing. Also, his name is like your name if you did like an anagram of it. I know, I get that. A lot of like dyslexic people are like, oh, I clicked on this because I thought it was Norm. Who's this douche? And I'm like, hey, I get it.

Norm's great, But yeah it is. Yeah, I can't believe all these comedy legends are dying and also so young. Sixty five Louise sixty six or something like that. Yeah, Norm s two. It's crazy. What's going on? I thought we're supposed to live longer now I know. I think that they're probably just getting on the spaceship. I think the chose about Peloton. That's my theory. A pulled to Mr bigh So, Tom, Sorry, I don't know what we're saying. Meat love died as well. He would do anything for

love except not dying. Yeah, exercise, I don't know, and neat healthy. Yeah yeah, I don't. I don't know what. It just feels like all these legends are just hitting the Hey, it's kind of a weird feeling. I thought earlier today and I was like, God, it feels like, oh, the legends are dying now, and this is never happened before in history. You know. It's funny. When Betty White died, it was like, can you believe it? I'm like, yeah, she's a hundred years old. She had a great run.

What are you talking about? Of course she did. Mark, that's so insensitive. She was almost a hundred years old. Good point, good point, She's right there. I just can't believe already Laying is still going. That's the real shocker. Hilarious. Good for him, you know it is. He takes care of himself, right, He eats right, He doesn't put any junk in his body. So yeah, exactly. I just think it's odd we're not losing more comedians to the good

old fashioned white drugs and alcohol. Yeah, what the hell? I think it's the booster. No, I'm just kidding. Kidding. All right, I think it's time to move on to my favorite case of the day. This is a really odd story that honestly could have happened to any of us. Okay, this woman made more than twenty fake Instagram accounts to frame her ex boyfriend as a violent stalker, and she's now in jail. I'm like, wait, is this about me? Okay? Uh,

not that I've done this. Okay. A twenty year old British woman is behind bars finally, after she set up more than twenty fake Instagram accounts in a bid to frame her ex boyfriend as a violent stalker. Courtney Ireland Ainsworth of Cheshire, England. Okay, it's like tell me you're from the UK without telling me you're from the UK.

Fish and chips, bad teeth. Okay, Um, I'm like every buzzword created as many as thirty fake profiles between July and December, according to the Sun. The newspaper reported that she used the accounts to send vile messages to herself after she split with her former partner Louis Jolly. That's a fake name, um, whose last name is Jolly? Yeah? All right, I knew it. I knew really, Yeah, Kyle

jar he was okay um. So she'd been dating him for two years, and she apparently made ten police reports about her former partner during this time, including a report that he sent a message threatening to stab her in the chest, and then she involved her friends and family in this lie, asking her mom to call the police

and report the fake threatening messages. Also, she claimed that Jolly video and her walking on the street, harassing her friends, smashing items in her house, and throwing a brick through her grandma's window. Also, just I like that it's videoed her walking on the street. It's like, okay um. He was arrested six times because of these false allegations, and he spent eighty one hours in custody, Not that long

if you asked me. He also lost his job following assault and stocking charges, was placed on home curfew for twelve hours a day, had to wear an electronic ankle tag, and had a stalking protection order against him, and he maintained, yeah, this is insane. He maintained his innocense the entire time. It was eventually absolved in the guilt when detectives unraveled

her web of lives. The detectives requested user data from meta a k Instagram revealed at least seventeen accounts were created using her email addresses linked to her I P addresses, which were connect to her home phone and cell phone. And she's finally arrested in convested, convested to perverting the court of justice. I like it, wow. I mean, I'm glad justice was, sir, but I don't. I don't like the story because I believe all women. So no, alright,

I'm joking, but yeah, that's tough. I'm glad justice was, sir. This lady's a coke. She's a cooke. I just wish someone was this obsessed with me, right, I mean that is twenty new followers, and I bet that they were actively engaging with her content. Yes, you know, like I'm a horror for comments. So if you could just increase my following whatever you can do to get it up there,

and just book some more gigs. If any of my exes are listening to this, uh, feel free to just, I don't know, make some fake accounts threaten my life whatever feels good to you, you know. Yeah again, don't take that literally, yeah, please, So I listen. I know, I know when you're twenty, Like maybe you're not thinking straight. You get all you know, worked up about a relationship. But to be honest, and I know we're joking here,

could you ever see yourself taking those steps? Like that's a long way to go to frame somebody and like ruin his life strictly because what was it? Because he broke up with her? Yeah, that's the new world order. Now it's like it's all online. We should just key a car. Whatever happened to key in a car? That those that are throwing the clothes out of the window, those days are over now you go digitally. I feel like that'd go viral and TikTok. You saw someone throwing

clothes out the window? Oh yeah, yeah, that's a classic. I mean, this is so crazy. I feel like this is definitely not the only case like this. Oh yeah, for sure, this is this is pretty common. I think I think this is like one of millions. Definitely, definitely. Yeah. I can't believe they haven't figured out that I wanted them yet. I know, at please stop messaging me. Oh, would do we consider this cat fishing? Oh? I guess so.

Do you think cat fishing should be a crime? But this is catfishing to get someone in trouble, not really to get late. Yeah that's not sexy alright, so we know when you draw the line mark. Yes, yes, but yes, I think if you're impersonating someone else with the tent of getting someone in legal trouble or beyond, then yeah, I think she's got it like this. It's insane. Yeah, it's too much. I mean, I'm sure this guy went through hell. I mean he had to stay home during

the pandemic like everyone else. He got some fancy ankle jewelry out of it. Yeah, gods everyone lost their job. Have some empathy. Um, but maybe he didn't get unemployment like everyone else. And here he was in what he was in, uh, in custody for eighty one hours, which is a couple of your your drunk tanks right there. So not that much. It's not fun. Yeah, No, I do feel bad for him. This is horrible. She's obviously nutty. I think if I grew up with social media, I

would have been in jail by now. Really, Like, I'm really grateful that I didn't have Instagram I was twelve, same, same, I feel the same that I'm glad you didn't as well. Why what what would you we in jail for if you've had Instagram or social media when you were younger? Such a good question. Um, probably being too sexy, probably being onst um. I don't know. I don't know, Dmitri. I God, no one's gonna be able to hear this podcast.

Huh okay. I think I just think I honestly would have not been able to handle any level of being bullied on the internet. M H. I hate to say, not to bring it down, but like suicide is way up anxieties, we have depressions way up, and I think it's all social media. Yeah, it has nothing to do with the pandemic. I think it's even pre pandemic though. No,

it's true. I think I can't imagine being a young girl girl like already going through puberty, trying an embraces dealing with hormones and girls being mean to each other and bullying each other in person, then then taking that into social media. M hm. When I was a kid, every every story was like these female magazines. They put these models on the cover and it's with girls heads or bar Harby is bad because it's a set of

unrealistic body standards. But now it's just kim Ka all day, Instagram models t working booty stuff and I'm just talking about my feed. But I can't even imagine what these

girls are going through. I remember when I was in high school, I got emails from a fake account that we're like I want to have sex with Leah blah blah blah, and and it was also like she looks like a gremlin, but I'd still have sex with her, something that was so obviously written by a fourteen year old boy, and my parents were so upset they called the police over the email and tried to back down

the user. We originally like we finally found out who it was, um, just because enough people, because literally what happened is my parents called other people's parents demanding to find out dahn. So that's how they found out, not through the police. They found out by calling and being like, yeah, well the police have never really been able to help

anyone solve a crime. But um, but but remember back in the day, when you go to a o L, you could see every account that that was signing in from the screen, so it was like obvious to see who it was. And that's how we found out who it was. I would name him by first and last name on this podcast, but let it just be a mystery. It's Prince Andrew. It is Prince Andrew Andrew. Yeah, I apparently like moved one of his stuffed animals and you got really did you? Did you give a guy the business?

The kid who did it? M Um, yeah, I definitely made out with him immediately. I don't think My bad, my bad. All right, we're gonna dig a quick break from all the laughter and before we move on to our next case. Hello, everyone, welcome back to Real Time Crime. Did you miss us? If the answer is no, just you can stop listening. Um, my feelings are hurt. If the answer is yes, keep yeah, yeah, I keep listening.

If the answer is yes, you're a normal, healthy, well adjusted person, and we're not talking to the people who didn't miss us anymore. This is my version of internet bullying. All right, This next case is truly heartbreaking. So this is the case Mark. I'm nervous. You can hear in Mark's voice, She's like, Oh, I'm gonna feel bad making fun of this person, whoever it is. The problem with this case is that it feels too connected to Mark's background. Okay,

literally not his professional background, the background of his zoom. Okay, hold on, Okay, this case is about Laurence smith Fields, and if you are a very good social sleuth, you already have heard her name. So Laurence smith Fields was found unresponsive in her Plymouth Street apartment in December twelve and later died. The family said smith Fields met an older white man on bumble and it was he who

alerted the police to her death. According to the report, smith Fields had asked La found him this guy for forty dollars for her nails and then to come meet her at her Bridgeport residence where they took shots of tequila. According to the East Apartment, smith Fields was drinking tequila at her apartment with Matthew Lave Fountain. I feel like it should be La Fintaine, Okay, the fountain when she became ill and went to go vomit in the bathroom.

After she vomitted, she came back. They continued drinking tequila with mixers. The two drank all the way into the night when she got a text from someone which apparently was her brother, and stepped outside. She went outside to get something from him, and then when she came back

in she went to the bathroom for several minutes. After she returned her dates, law Fountain told the officer that he thought it was odd, but didn't feel it was his place to say anything because he didn't know her that well, and the police report states that smith Fields and the man had continued to watch the movie, finished the bottle tequila when she fell asleep on the couch, and then he carried her to the bedroom. They both went to sleep. At three am, he said he went

to use the bathroom and she was snoring. He woke up at six thirty saying that she was laying on her right side with blood coming out of her right nostril and wasn't breathing, and that's when he called nine one.

Following the police arrival, the landlord was contacted, but he didn't have any of her family's information, so it wasn't until days later when Midfield's mom, Chantel Fields, went to the apartment to see why she hadn't been answering numerous calls and texts, and then, oh god, this is so heartbreaking. The landlord put a note on her door that said, if you're looking for Lauren, please contact this number. My my heart would sink into my asshole if I heard that,

if I saw that note. So that's how the mom found out that her daughter had passed away. Well, yeah, and and and so she called the landlord, and that's how she found out about her daughter's death. Okay. So, nowhere in the police report did officers mentioned detaining the Fountain for questioning, despite him being the last person who saw smith Fields alive. So the family, by the way,

has filed a lawsuit the police department. They're saying that they found a bunch of inconsistencies in the report, and including that she was apparently intoxicated when she went outside to go see her brother Lakim Jetter Jeter Jeddter. All right, Riley, I'm so sorry. Okay, Uh, including that, do you think when God was giving the commandments, he was like, hold on,

go back. I didn't mean that that, okay, Including that she was intoxicating when she went outside to go see her brother Lakim, And apparently Leakim said that that's not true. She wasn't intoxicated at all. Apparently they were exchanging clothes of some like laundry situation. They talked for fifteen minutes and he's he knows her super well, and he never would have been okay with her being that drunk or we've said something to her if he realized she was

super intoxicated. And it says that the police report doesn't at all match the story of the last relative. The family also said the police did not collect evidence in the apartment. Mm. The mother went back to the apartment and she said she found a condom with semen inside her daughter's apartment, along with a pill that was unidentified that they believed might be a sedative. They didn't test any of the cups to see if it was liquor or if there was anything inside of it. The first

night we saw cups there, flipped plates and lube. M hum, well, you know um. And they also say that the Bridge Pars police were super unprofessional in their handling of the investigation, apparently Detective Cronin who said he would arrive in thirty minutes. They waited over an hour for him to arrive, and then they called him again and the family was told to stop calling, and then they got him. You know,

I'm like, who is this my mom? And then they received a visit from the officer Garcia and Apparently when he got there, the majority of the investigation had already been completed, but so many things were a full it and like there were dishes out, there were bloody sheets, but everything had been like randomly packed and nothing was really properly logged. And they also said that apparently Garcia started talking shit about Detective Cronan, saying he was like

an asshole and this and that. But then when they went to go get they got interrogated the police station. Apparently he was like, I would never say this about Cronan. Are you saying I'm a liar? So he was playing

both sides of the coin. Okay, The families bringing an independent agencies to handle the investigation, and apparently the Bridgeport Police department is riddled with problems the last two years, including the former police chief, Armando Perez, was sentenced to prison last year for rigging his own hiring process to ensure he became the city's top cop. I mean that's motivation, That's that's like dedication raft. Yeah, I mean we should

all have that sort of sticktuitiveness and drive, you know. Sure. Um, anyway, this is a pretty tragic case obviously, and apparently when the family went there, they saw that there was in fact blood in the center of her bed that was then fading out to the right side. So they don't really believe that she was just on the bed with blood coming out of her nose, because why would it

all be in the center of the bed. And uh, this is a story that we are very confused about because there's been so little press on the case and it seems like it has lacked any sort of proper investigation. Basically, her family at the end of the month had to go pack up the whole apartment and that's when they found most of the evidence themselves. Um, there's not a lot of awareness. People are saying that, just like the Gabby Potito case, maybe social media can bring more of

this to light. Uh huh, No, there's the guy. There's no closure here, no closure. Wow, it's clearly that guy who went on the date. I mean, that guy's something right. Yeah. Well, so apparently the police department didn't interrogate him or bring him in for questioning because they thought he was quote a nice guy. Nice guys don't make crimes. Yeah, obviously, I mean, I I'm this is gonna answer itself. But

it's like how do you get that? We already know the guy got himself to be the top cop that went to jail, But like, how do you become police? Police officers? How do you how is your job to go when someone is murdered, there's a crime, to go there and not follow these basic steps which were just regular everyday people here are sitting here, We've watched you know,

crime shows and documentaries. It's you're not You don't have to be a genius to know like, oh, don't touch anything, pick this up, look around, like none of that ship was done. It seems like that's just a really corrupt police department and everyone's trying to be the top cop. I think it's actually a new reality show. Next top. I'm more of a power bottom. But either way, yeah, this is super shady. And here's the problem with police.

Police are like the post office, you know, their government run, so there's no competition. Like that's why the post office sucks. You go to fed X, you go to d h L or whatever the hell it is. You know, we have no alternative for police, so there's no competition. Yeah, I bet they'd solve it in two days. Well, and that's the thing you kill like you can hire a private investigator, but you can't hire them and be like get there before the police and pick up all right, exactly,

we gotta get Dog the bounty hunter on this. Now we're talking. That's a good call. Okay, hold on, I think you guys need to see a photo of this man first of all, because I'm starting to see a through line of recent murderers. Oh sorry, alleged murders. Here we go. This is gonna look like me. Is this another bald guy with a beard whoa Dmitri? I can see it. I have some questions about where you were in early December. Come out listen to Brian Laundry thing.

Maybe you could be like I think I saw him. There's no way this number one. I don't have that kind of build to this guy's. You know, now, can I see you with your wire frame glasses? Please? Also, is this not exactly what Brian Laundry looks like? But older? Well, I mean here's in like a camping and camping gear and ship like that. So yeah, and he's look. I understand that you're getting upset because you're like, not all bald men with beards look alike, but don't they I

don't camp. So I think that kind of clears me of of being too associated with these guys. Oh my god, right, okay, yeah, but but I don't. I don't like I I just think like ladies. You know, if you're swiping on a dating app, maybe just say swipe left on a guy who looks like this. You know what, I'm glad I'm married because right now you're tanking every bald guy with a beard on a dating app. Wait still, you see

my crowd work. Just don't sit in the front row, you know, don't sit in the front row if you don't want me to ruin your relationship. I don't know. I okay. So, so does this feel like a cautionary tale for dating app users? Of course, yeah. I think inviting someone over the first night it's a little nutty, then straight to tequila. The whole thing is a is a recipe for disaster. Mark would no drinking. Yes, it's never done well for him. And look, I'm I'm in

a relationship now. But I did I fair share bumbling and uh it was pretty rare to get straight to the apartment. Also that she asked him for money too, for her nails beforehand. Yes, yes, fishy, what's going on here? Yeah? I don't know the whole thing, like how do you

how do you ever piece this together? Like it's it's odd from the start, and then there was such sloppy follow up to it, like I mean, unless they can, you know, find a way and get this guy to answer questions or to trace something back like the woman with the twenty Instagram things, to be able to trace certain things back to somebody. But I don't think the necessary steps were taken in order to in order to

do stuff like that. Absolutely not. And I think that there was some sort of inconsistency with them saying the autopsy had been completed and then suddenly the autopsy wasn't completed and they're gonna do more research on it. And I do believe that if anyone is going to get this case moving again, it's going to be TikTok. Yeah, I agree. I think this is Uh, there's gotta be some fettan al here. Oh you think so? Oh? Yeah? I think he he drugged her and overdid it, or

maybe the brother gave her some blow something. Something's going on here with drugs. Yeah, And and there's there's something with drugs. Yeah, definitely. Well he stood out and stood that when you said they were drinking tequila, she went and threw up, came back, and then they drank tequila with mixers. Yes, to be fair, I've definitely been too drunk, vomited, came back and was like yeah, maybe you know um, and this is why I don't drink anymore. But do

you know how you quit? You know, I took like a seven year absence. Hey, good for you. I'm not I'm not like sober, but I do understand that it doesn't align with me for seven year absence from drinking or like you blacked out for seven years. Well, yeah, I did, just wake up from a coma and wondering

how I got into this podcast. I think the thing that really upset me the most is when I woke up on the floor of a frat house and one hand was covered in salsa and the other hand was covered in antela ha, And I was like, I gotta quit drinking. Um, just just imagining myself going back and forth between like sweet and salty. Yeah, you got a good palette, a lot of range there. It was like the fat It's like the boys in the frat house, were like, don't she's got bigger fish to fry, you

know on that one. You have a condom? No, but I have condiments. Whatever you need, I got it. Oh boy. Yeah. Then I I remember waking up at around uh four in the morning, five in the morning, hopping out the window the door didn't seem appropriate, and then passing out on my front lawn. That that was covered morning. Do when I woke up at nine am? Damn, your dad's just mowing the lawn around you, and and what And from that you stopped drinking. I mean, no, no, no,

I drank for many years. That boy. We're one the same, We're cover from the same cloth. I know, you know, I just I was so much more fun when I drank. Same. Well, it's like, I'll use Jim Jeffrey's joke. No great story started with I had a salad. Yeah, And I assume Mark, you still drink because the sunglasses are not because you're they're not blue blockers. It's not you're worried about the

race from your computer. Right now, I am. I'm hurting a little bit, but I haven't Syracuse and there's really nothing else to do, so I'm so lonely and on the road, so I had to had to tie one on. I feel like we're stopping you from starting up again. No oh, I got a few hours. This podcast is the exact reason to start drinking, in my opinion. Yeah, it's very sad because of the because of the the news, right yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, okay, not because of

my dating history, although also very sad. Do you think we have time for the voicemail? I think we should do it. I don't think we have time for the voicemail, dmitri No, what if we have to find extra time on our hands. I don't know. We keep telling people to call in, but then you know what, You're right, you're right, you're right, you're right. Riley, quick, quick, quickly play the voicemail. I think we deserve to hear it. And if it's something that we just can't tackle today,

we'll tackle next week. But at least, let's play the voicemail. And I want to say thank you to everyone who calls in and leaves the white smails that we never get to. We don't want to trigger your abandonment issues, but all right, Riley, play the voicemail. Please, guys. Um, I'm thinking, like, I love your podcast super great. Have

you guys considered talking about the Tamala Horsford case. She was a Georgia mother who went to a football sleepover with a bunch of other football moms who mysteriously died. And it's not everything was ruled an accident, but there was some evidence that has mysteriously gone missing. It's just super sketchy. Thanks. Fine, I've never heard that one, NOA. I've also never heard of like a football mom sleepover, but I think I think we should look into that

for next time. I mean, when we say football mom, do we mean like in the British sense, likes this soccer the European where we're talking about American football. Yeah, we have soccer moms. Why not football mom? I think it makes sense. All right, we got some football moms in the house, all right, So we'll dive into that case next time. Thank you for calling in, and again you can call us live at eight six six one crime. That's eight six six to anyone crime, six six to

anyone crime. That's eight six six two one two seven four six three. You know, if you've got a question comment concerned case that we should look into like football, mom, which we certainly will. And Mark, any final thoughts today, this is probably not at all what you expected, not at all. I have to ask anyone else hard. I mean, all this murder talks really got me going. No, thanks for having me. It's great to see it, Dmitri. Good to meet you. Just super fun and enlightening, and it

kind of helps you not feel like a weirdo. Sometimes you're like, oh, I'm a psycho, and then you hear about these other people and you're like, I'm doing okay. Wow, I'm so glad that this made you feel better about your life. That's what this is. This isn't even a podcast, Lee. It was like, my buddy Marks a little down on himself. Can we just fake a podcast and share him up? Yeah? Okay guys, yeah, Cut, thank you so much. I really

appreciate you coming in today, but you know, the gig's up. Um. Yeah. This is actually an inspirational podcast on how to feel better about yourself. Mark. Remember there's people worse than you out there, and Mark feel better. Where can we find you on the internet. Hey, I'm all over the place, out to the lunch on YouTube. I gotta have my own YouTube channel, Instagram at Mark Norman, Twitter at Mark Norm Mark Norman Comedy dot com. For dates, check out

dates with Mark. Um, he's taking ladies hands off. I'm so sorry. Yeah, and you Mark, you're on tour right, I'm on tour every weekend. I'm sure I'm coming to your town. So check out those dates and say hello. Yeay, so go check out Mark. He's hilarious. He'll probably be wearing sunglasses and no, I'm not blind. You're the Stevie Wonder of comedy. Yeah, come say hello and uh yeah we'll go gay comedy. Okay, all right, I mean, look, you guys, if if you don't like to laugh, don't

listen to the podcast. And that's our tagline. What's something that should be a crime that's not a crime? Mm hmm, good question. Um calling me before noon farting in an elevator with other people, I'm definitely guilty of that one. That's a that's punishable by death, I think, yeah, crime punishable by death. Also, Mark, just so you know, Teddy has never been able to get me to wake up at ten am to do this podcast and should be

furious should it was midnight? Yes? All right. Well, this has been an amazing episode of Real time crime with our guests Hot Today, Mark Norman, Mark, I love you, thank you for coming on. Go see Mark shows. He's on tour. He's hilarious, as you heard here today. And I've been Lee Omar, that's been sometimes. Dmitri who was a lot of times Dmitri today, and we'll see you next week. I love you all. Stay safe. Bye. It's real time Rod, it's real time Grady. I mean, is

it actually real time crime? I'm solving anything? Or is that just the thing we stay it's a thing we say, got it? Okay, See you next week for more real time crime, only on I Horror Radio.