I Don't Know Whether to Laugh or Crime

not fret my pets. The first episode aired last night, so make sure to tune in. And of course, I've always got with me my friend sometimes Dmitri Hello, sometimes Dmitri Hello, Lea, how are you? I'm fabulous. I just want to let you know I'm taking over for Teddy with a hoodie today. I'm I know, I'm wearing a sweatcher. I'm doing the best of both worlds. Turn brother. Wow. Can't you imagine if we did a Freaky Friday? Oh boy? And lucky for us, we do have a guest co

host today who's absolutely incredible. She's a friend of mine, she's hilarious stand up comedian, she's one of the co hosts of the very popular podcast Girls Got to Eat with Rina Greenberg, and she's currently missed of an international tour. It's my friend, Ashley Hasseltine. I, Um, I hate to start out on this note, but it is. I knew it. I knew it, and I felt it immediately in my bones. I thought I ruined this already, and my name is

not even but I just let her go with it. Yeah, my very close friend whose name I definitely know how to pronounce. So it's okay because I have close friends that still get it wrong for me, and I feel like I can. I felt your anxiety right where you said it, and I was like, is she gonna get it right now? It's okay? Yeah? Do you every time this happens to You're like, you're just waiting to correct someone? Well,

I know, I don't like to correct people. I just like I feel like correcting me, so I always do. Just I don't get off on it. I don't. I'm just like, oh, you're a have to do it again. But I will tell people. I think it's how you. I think people can't get past what they just think

it reads as. And like I will tell people a host when I when I'm on stage minutes before, I will be like, I'll be like, cute, sweet, I'm like, you know what, I pronounce me that name, and they'll be like tell me how, and I'll say and then they'll just still do it wrong. I'm like, is this am I just being pumped? But yeah, the amount of people that call me Leiah after I've corrected them four thousand times, I've even thought of a funny way to

get around it. My funny, I mean so annoying where I'm like, I'm not Princess Leiah, I'm Queen Leah and they're like, so Leiah, that's that's a little do you say it's a little weird, Like that's not what it's Leah. It's very obviously Leah. Thank you. It's like I'm Jewish, Yeah, exactly, same here it's not ussel Stein. It's just hilarious. Um, all right, well here we're here. We're just jumping right. It's Ashley actually damn And that's the podcast. Guys, thank

you so much for listening today. So Ashley and I met in the basement of the stand in New York City at a holiday no no, no, it was the New York Comedy Festival after party situation, and we were hiding from talking to other people. Yeah, we just like connected right away, because you know, you just meet people, not even just comics. You meet people are just like hot, cool or nice or fun to be around. So I totally put me in the nice category. But yeah, I

keep going. I meant pretty thank you, thank you. Ms connected. We connected immediately now, um, but yeah, we just kind of like locked in and we were like, we're haing out for the rest of the night. We're gonna be attached to hip, We're gonna hit the dance floor, you know, we're gonna talk about our demons. So I know, I don't know, but it was it was fun. I love

meeting people down there. I met a guy down in that basement and we dated for yeah basement, Yeah, only underground, and I did keep him in the basement the whole time. That's exactly that's my ideal relations down there. Yeah. Yes, some might say he's still down there. My ideal relationship is a man who can't escape the basement, who's just handcuffed downstairs, doesn't have social media, can't look at other

women because he literally can't. Yeah, it's I mean, anyway, so back, someone will cut back to this clip ten years from now when they're like and she said on the podcast in the they're like they were hiding in plain sight. This whole time, she said exactly what she wanted. Every man she ever met was terrified to go downstairs, and every time she performed at the stand there were

no men at the show. Um, yeah, actually, and I didn't want don't care like it's you know what, I just have to tell you because this is kind of relevant. So last night yesterday is like the was the five year anniversary when I moved to New York, and I always like, I don't know, I love a reason to celebrate. I got all my friends together to dinner at one of my favorite restaurants, and then we walked by my

first apartment because it was on the same corner. And when I moved to New York, I moved into a building that I truly think was not like inhabitable. I think it was like condemned, like every well every I found a true, decently large, one bedroom and I was like, I don't care that every other door in this floor has crime tape, Like I don't care that it has like caution tape that it looks like a crime scene. For two years I lived in this crime scene. No one ever moved in, Like it was like five of

us in the building. I eventually just stop paying red. I was like, I think this is like illegal. But my my guy friend would always joke. He's like the fact that you can get laid back here. He was like, if it was a guy, a woman would walk in and be like, okay, one door with caution tape, I don't know, maybe a little weird the second door, and then you get to the back of the hallway. He was like, a guy could never bring a woman back here. She would be like, I'm too scared, And he was

like I was like, yeah, I have no problems. Like what guys don't care if a guy sees the crime tape. He just if he's getting late. He's even think it's like a velvet rope. This is it's my version of the velvet rope. I pull it aside. He's like, I'm in for a good time. This pitch is crazy. So yeah, no guy is gonna be worried about you said you want to lock him up in the basement, right, you're gouty. I mean, Ashley, we connected so hard. I wished you had to Dick. I know, I was like, could I

be a last ye? And I think I would kill it anyway than to them because or like what my camera? What's happening here? It's been really nice to knowing you. But yeah, were like my hair, Like what am I doing? Yeah, you're both like turning red and fidgeting with your hair like we can take a little stop down if we need, but it's really not time yet. Okay, let's talk about crime. Yeah. Also okay, so obviously girls got to eat very popular podcast. You guys talk about everything. How did you in rain

and meet your co host? What's the oddest topic that's ever come up on your pod? Um? We met, It's just like, so, I mean, don't make me tell us. Well, we met on this influence her trip and her Ruba. I know, I'm so sorry, but we've never hed top. Don't worry, um, but we and we connected immediately like on this trip again, I'm sure this is true, but listen, I'm here with you now and she I don't even

know where she is, and uh we this was October. Um, I moved to New York like earlier in the year, and we just said it off and I wanted to start a podcast. I wanted to do something about updating and sex and relationships, and we just we only were friends for a few months when I just was like, I feel like she'd be the right person to do this with. She had like a flexible you know, yeah, like an influencer lifestyle too, like what I was doing.

And so we just just she was like yes, like right out of the gate, and I was like, do you feel comfortable talking about your sex and personal life? She's like yeah, yeah, Like have we've been friends for a few months now, I feel like you can pick up on that. And I don't give a so, um yeah, we started in February, We started talking about it, getting it all together, and launched it in February two thousand

and eighteen. So we're coming up on four years. Muzzle and Leah, don't let it bother you that she met her on like a boat in the Caribbean or wherever it was, and she met you in a basement. It doesn't matter. Thank you it. It wasn't like a beach that I dinner like toes in the sand. I know. I'm so sorry, Lee, it's just like deflating us. We look, if you had said it was on a yacht, I would have canceled the rest of this. There was no There was no yacht, which we went on a catamaran

the next day. But just a catamaran. That's how I know it wasn't that serious. Okay, Iran is the swipe left of boats. I don't even know. It wasn't even private. It was like, you know, it wasn't don't worry. I mean, did you even take a private jet together? There? Flu Coach, we you know had not hit it big yet. So wow, you guys, Fluke Coach, I don't even way um um Okay. So the way he's looking the way the side I with the dog right now, because of the way zoom is I see your name and then I just see

ears over your name. It's pretty cute, honestly. Okay, So what's the craziest topic you guys have ever discussed? I just we've talked about so much in four years, Like there's nothing that we haven't talked about. I I was thinking about this, like, um, maybe something just recent we can discuss together. We get a lot of emails where women are like is this a thing? You know, like

is this happening in the world. And recently we got a few, like more than one emails about women saying that they hooked up with guys and the guys left their boxers and they were like, is are they doing this on purpose? Like are they leaving behind boxers because they're leaving in jeans so they know they don't have boxers on. You know, you know when your dick hits your jeans that this something's off. And uh, I know, get along exactly. I mean I don't work underhe so

I can't relate. But like it's kind of the same as leaving without your bra, you know what I mean. Behind. But we're like our guys leaving boxers behind. They're like, challenge, let me look real quick behind. Maybe this is what the kids are doing. Um, but no, that's not so Atlantish. That was like one thing. I mean, we've talked about everything, like, you know, we've talked about Peggy and foot jobs, you know,

p fet dishes. We had a whole episode on guys that want to be Pete on you know in their mouth.

I don't know, so yeah, but she Um, we had this guest on and she was wonderful her and I'd watch her on this Spice Show and I we had so many topics we like wanted to discuss with her, and once she said that she used to kind of like fill in for this dominatrix and p on guys, we were like, the episode was literally so much about that, um and where to fill in like a dominatris, so kind of like she was like, I wasn't the best maina tricks, but I was like some of the she

was working kind of shadowing this dominatrix and she had some clients that she didn't want to go peon and that's like all they wanted. So she was like, that was kind of when I would go substitute dominatrix. And I was pretty good at it and I didn't have p anxiety, and um, she walked us through it and it was so funny. I felt I just felt bad for I'm like, I'm so sorry we didn't bring you on here to talk about this exclusively. But I didn't

know that. I thought it was more of a like people like to be paid just on their body, brings it a new meaning to the term streamer. Yeah exactly. Yeah, we are literally live streaming today. That's what we're doing. Bring your tarp and it's happy love that for her love that. You know. I wonder if, um, there's a murderer who might not have committed the crime and all named balls and that's why men are leaving behind their boxers because there's a hashtag free balls movement going on

maybe and they just want to be Yeah. Just I was just sitting on that one free the free the statistical movement. The good news is whatever crimes when we talk about today are going to seem really tame as as opposed to what we've already talked about. I didn't know how far you guys would have been. I mean, it's I just I feel like I on our show four years later. I'm rarely surprised, you know, Like we've

talked about everything. I'm not saying that I am into everything that we discussed, but that one caught me off guard. And you know, I always I need details. So you feel like once you hear about something for the first time, you've then get excited by it like you get a king for it. No, I know you can't never mind moving on, And I think it could not everything. I'm not not like Pean Like. It didn't make me be like I don't I wanna be in someone's mouth. It

didn't make me think that. But yeah, I think to be honest, Yeah, of course sometimes I've heard of stuff and I'm like, I could be into that. I never thought of that before. So yeah, it's it's happened interesting. Okay, And just to really do a one eight here quick pivot. Do you have any true crime cases that you're passionate about or anything that you like about true crime in general? A crime? Um, it's just I've gone to jail, but like not anything you know, we really did for what for?

Do you wyse? Um? Like so many years ago? Uh? Nice? So I I wom careful York. Yeah, I was forced to move to New York where we don't drive. No, it was it was a long time ago. Yeah, I've I've been. I've been in jail a couple of times. Um, I am. So here's the thing. I think that people are so obsessed with true crime, and I totally understand it. It's not content that I consume all the time. But I love it and I almost feel like I can't

get to invest at all. To keep I'll keep myself up at night, like I won't like I get so obsessed. I still think about that, like Malaysian flight that they just never found, Like I'm like, where's is the thing? They Oh, they did find the plane. I think they found pieces of it that had watched that because I was obsessed with that too, and I was like, that's it. I'm convinced this plane was just taken by a UFO and I was through. I was I was happy going

on with that. And then one day they found some wreckage. Can I just tell you guys, we know more about space than we know about the ocean. And I do believe the aliens are in the ocean. And this is why I don't quit it. I do not go in the ocean. I will dip a pinky toe in I and not like really, you won't go in the ocean at all. The ocean. I've seen Sharknado. I know what

happens in there. I am actually terrified of like water, Like I feel like if people if someone was like there's a tidal wave three thousand miles away, I'd be like, I'm like, get a high ground. Yeah. I don't think people think they can like fight nature fight like water, but um, I think the ocean is terrifying. Like what even um like, I mean, I'll go on a boat. I'm I'm a white girl. I gotta take take anytime

I can go. But like, even watching Titanic, like the images alone, I like, I feel like I feel scared of like big boats and like, you know, keep it on the catamaran and the minute, you know, the smaller yachts. But there's something about it that, like, the ocean is terrifying. They built a Titanic too, and I just remember thinking, I mean, this is destined to crash. There's no way won't.

And also I did recently post on my Instagram story because I was obsessed with the Titanic photos of behind the scenes of them shooting the Titanic and they all are just wearing floaties and I'm like this, this ruined

the movie. Yeah, I've seen some of those photos. Yeah, you're like, I didn't need to see Leo and like a thing that a babe you would wear when they're trying trying to learn how to swim, you know, and also can we all agree there was room for two on the door that she was She was just like just kidding. I want to be rich, you know. She was like, you know sometimes I like to stretch out. I don't want to. I feel like people have like you know, they'll be like a think piece that's like funny,

and people like actually do it. They like figure out like if you ever seen like I've seen these articles of like every injury and home alone, like what it would have done done to them? You know, like, yes, I think somebody did, like figure out if they could both fit on the door, like they could they could have. Yeah, they could have. But you know, she likes to sprawl out on the King bed. I get it. Okay, guys, we gotta take a quick break and I promise we're

going to get to crime right after this. But we've been having a lot of fun chatting away will be RB and we're back. Welcome back to Real Time Crime, you guys. We are now going to get into the crime part of Real Time and we're going to hit some of our hot topics. I'm joined by our co host Ashley Hustle Time and nailed it and also co host sometimes Dmitri, who is often Dmitri. He's been upgraded just for now, Dmitri, don't get too used to it. I'm not gonna trust me. I'm aware of that question.

Can I ask a question? This is I swear, this is not this is I'm asking for a friend. We never get a crime in this epode? Are you? This is my plan the whole time, I'm like, I don't know about crime. Um, wait a second, can we talk about Britney Spears. I'm like, yeah, let's go. Um, Dmitri, are you single? I'm not okay, wait wait wait wait wait he looks like rain is type. I don't even know if like Brian Laundry. Sorry Dmitri had Oh my god, like I really took you know, you really took it

down for us, Like no, we're way better looking than him. Okay, well, I just want to thank you. And I don't have those murderous tendencies than you wouldn't go that far. Do you have a diary there? Do you have a journal? Do you like to go hiking? Lose journal? Do you have a white fan? Okay, okay, straight to hell? Also, can I just say I think that made to meet Frezier. Yes, thank you, Leoh. Yes, so on top of everything you've insulted me with, she has now hit me with. Nobody

has ever asked Dmitri if he was available. That's sweet, awesome. Not everybody can meet in the basement. Oh boy, all right, we're gonna go straight into the hot topics after that hot topic. No, I'm not wearing hot topic. I hate I hate my self. Okay, guys, guys, we're just gonna we've already wasted like hours of podcast time off. No, nothing has been wasted except for you when you were driving a car Ashley. But I that was great. That was great. Also, how many do U I s? Do

you have? Um? Two and a half for you on the half one? Did we get a good lawyer, the best lawyers? Yeah? It was I I mean, this is this like that's when we really wanted you, not someone who's Jewish. You know. His name was Thomas Thomas. That was my lawyers. Um, I can't make it up. And he was the best. And uh yeah, I mean it's not I taught I used to be a little more like, it's not it's a serious topic. I used to talk about a little more flippantly. I'm way more careful now

because it's like not cool, you know. But it was like a you know, a bad time in my life. I was super irresponsible and I racked up a few so uh and now you know, I can't tell people enough, like don't do it obviously, you know, if you don't have to, we have uber and a shout out to Thomas Thomas the names so nice. They named it twice exactly and also forces you to live in New York, New York after that. But okay, you guys, so all right, time to jump into the actual pod topics for today.

I know that we've been talking about Lawrence smith Fields for the last couple of weeks, and yes, folks, there's more detectives involved in the death case of Laurence Smith's. Fields are now suspended, so we already know much about this case. And Lawrence smith Fields was found dead in her apartment after date last month, and now the two detectives have been placed on administrative leave and they're being

investigated by the Police Department's Internal Affairs office. According to the mayor, disciplinary actions may also be taken against them due to a lack of sensitivity of public and failure to follow police policy in the handling of two cases. And I'll get to the other case in just a second. It's unacceptable failure if policies were not followed. The mayor said.

The detectives were also being investigated for their handling of the case of Brenda Lee Rawls, who was found dead and alone in her apartment on the same day as smith Fields. The families of both smith Fields and Rawles claimed that the police failed to notify them of the deaths and say they learned of them from other people.

Both women are black, and the supervisory officer who was in charge of overseeing these investigations retired from the department on Friday, the mayor said, adding at the cases are both under active investigation and have been reassigned. So this is interesting news. And I know that last episode daf Nique was and all of us were discussing how they think that race has something to do with why these deaths were underreported and not fully investigated, especially in that town.

And I don't know, I think, what do you guys think about the chance that they go back over the cases and the details and find out what really happens. Now that it's going to be reassigned, Well, do they have more details about the like cause of death? Here's here's the interesting time that iry. No, it's just the details were so poorly investigated from the whole thing. But that's the whole problem. So part of me thinks that this might be one of those cases. I hope that

these don't go unsolved. But you know, they never even investigated Matthew law Fountain, who was the last person with her and was the person who reported her dead, and with that investigation, is the last person to see her alive, right, And so they could re investigate and they could bring him in for further questioning. But I don't know. This is so disappointing and so odd that two of the detectives are are now out. I mean, I don't know, I'm rambling. I understand. I do understand why people I

want to discuss the race aspect of it. I think that came up a lot with Gabby Petito, where it was like, uh, do you know how many Indigenous women have been missing? You know that no one ever talks about um and which is It's not to take away from her case, but it was kind of like why does this feel like this is getting so much attention because it's this white girl, you know, and I think a lot of people of color were like, can we get some attention on these people who have been missing

and unsolved for for so long? It's been going on for so long. Um, so yeah, I mean, that's that's just that's so devastating. I just where is this again? Can you remind me in Bridgeboro? Okay? I mean, I don't know what I mean that has to do it. It's just it's it's terrifying of you that you think that like these people who were you know, whatever whatever you are supposed to you know, protect and serve, are like finding dead bodies and not even like doing the

bare minimum. I'm not even telling the family that like the family isn't even like that's insane, Like listen, I've half asked a bunch of jobs in my life, but not never a job like that, especially this one. Yeah. I was trying not to say it, but thank you.

But when you're like, that's your job, and there's people that don't know where their loved one is, and you, you know, it doesn't even cross your mind in two days to reach out and let them know, even just on like a human like compassion level, Like do you don't think there's people that want to know where this a person is? This is someone's daughters, is someone's you know, sister, mother, maybe friends, like girlfriend, Like it's just it's like pretty insane.

I mean, is that what you're feeling? Like is are people thinking that that the cops had something to do with it? Or is it just like the problem is that they did it, they went about it. I think it's uncertain. But also Bridgepoort is a predominantly white neighborhood, which we discussed last episode, so that is of importance here. And the other thing is, in the case of Brenda Lee Rawls, her body was at the medical Examiner's office on December fourteenth, two days after she was pronounced dead,

and the police never notified them of her death. What m hmm, all like white police. Well, the family apparently later in the week learned um that a detective had been assigned to the case, and they left him at least four messages and he never even returned them. And he's one of the two detectives who was suspended and put on administrative leave. It's not like it's I mean, listen, I don't know what's going on in Dgeport, but if this doesn't sound like they're too busy with like the raging,

you know, crime of this huge metropolis. Not that that's an excuse, but like, what else are you guys even doing, Like you know, you had one job, yeah, yeah, exactly yeah. And and in the case of of Laurence smith Fields, like they didn't even handle the crime scene appropriately. So that's that. Now that's twice to your the top two things on your job. Listening, I would assume for something like this, seal off the crime scene and do everything

you need to do and notify the family. Neither one was done, So I mean you cannot continue to work or I mean, I don't know, who knows. I know, it's so hard to put a cop out of work, but like what, yeah, it's like that's why I said, like the bare minimum. It feels like yep. And also Brenda and Lauren died on the same day. Do we think that there could be any relation? Oh my god, I mean, I have no idea. That sounds that's pretty crazy. Yeah, but in Bridgeport, I don't, no, I don't, I I

don't I don't mind. My instinct is to think it's not related, especially since Lawrence was like a drug overdose. Whether it was accidental or not, I don't know. I don't know what was the other Uh what was the Brendily Rawls cause of death? Do we know? We don't know yet. SOA hasn't let us know. M Right, all right, it's time for us too. And the only reason I'm moving through this because we've talked about it for the

last few episodes. Um. But yeah, this is devastating and despicable, and I'm really glad they were suspended, and I hope that justice can be served with new detectives on the case. Right, all right, let's move on to our next hot topic. And I just want to say right now, trigger warning suicide. If you're listening to this podcast, Trigger warning always murder suicide Leah's jokes. Okay, So Walking Dead star Moses J. Moseley found dead at thirty one, and the cops do

suspect suicide. He was famous for playing one of the zombies in The Walking Dead and they're investigating the circumstances around his death. They said that they found his body Wednesday in the Hudson Bridge area of Stockbridge, Georgia, and the bridge covers a freeway. They're told that there's an active investigation into how his body ended up in the

area and whether or not foul play was involved. Apparently, the family said they hadn't heard from him since Sunday of the week prior, and they called the hospitals to no avail, and on Wednesday morning they filed the missing police person's report. Riley, please help me. On Wednesday morning they filed a missing person's report. Then they contacted on Star, which tracked the car and that's how they discovered the body.

And a family member told the press that Moses died up a gunshot wound, but investigators are working to find out who pulled the trigger. So they're saying that it's possibly a suicide, and other people are saying that there might be foul play. Invaulved, what do you guys think? Where was the gunshot wound? Again? Information? We don't Why can't they just ask the questions? Ask the questions we're all asking. It's like, why can't they just give us

all the information? You know, it's something that should Yeah, like, well here's the thing, Okay, since you brought that up. Brian Laundry, they found him after he had been underwater and all this stuff, and they're like, yep, you killed himself. And now they found they found Moses. They said, it's a gunshot. Woman, Like, we're trying to figure out whether

it was a self inflicted gunshot. I feel like, not that I have vast knowledge into this type of stuff, but I feel like they can usually tell pretty quickly whether someone pulled the trigger. I'm sure there's not watch movements after that. Right, So if they found Brian Laundry with a gun and a wet note book and they're like, yeah, he killed himself, and this one that like we're still trying to determine, that makes me think that there's got to be something further that leads them to believe that

maybe there was foul play. I'm on the same page as you. I'm not like an expert on this, but aren't like gun deaths via suicide and via homicide just totally different. I thought that was like pretty easy to figure out, um not to go down that some morbid road, But right, I don't know. Morbid road is actually the new name of this podcast. I'm looking at this guy right now because I used to watch that show pretty regularly. Also, I gotta be honest, who uses on Star? I haven't

heard that in so long. It really was like, wait, did this happen in but maybe it's coming back and it can you know, this could be a good I always sketch. I didn't realize it was a really good when can you got? So? Were you saying that it was like his body maybe I like blocked out again like under a bridge, like in the was it found in the water or like under a bridge? So this is the thing. Is that so the Hudson Bridge um is over a freeway, so it's like an overpad and underpass. Okay,

oh got it? Okay I heard bridge. I was like, okay, but yeah, that's the other thing too. It's like, if you're gonna shoot yourself in the head, you don't need to also throw yourself off a bridge. Percent I know That's what I was kind of thinking too, like those don't match up. But then also like what was going on under that bridge? Like is that a place where you know what happens under bridges? But was he involved in like something where you meet somebody under a bridge?

M hmm, okay, I'm sorry. Detective Ashley's on the case. And but at the on Star obviously found the car. So was he in his car? I was his car nearby? So many questions, so many questions, no answers, But I think that we will probably find out some more in the next coming weeks. I feel like the answers there where is the gunshot? Wound? Right like a wire? We're spitting our wheels on this now. I'm like so invested. See, this is why I can't like get into this stuff,

because I won't be able to let it go. Yeah. Well, the problem is, and I don't mean none of us mean to sound callous. We know that that somebody died and that's obviously sad, whether it be suicide or foul place, of course. But but the frustrating thing is it seems like there's certain things, and probably coming off the last cases we just discussed, there seems like there's more information.

I know they don't share everything, but to share they suspect suicide, it was gunshot, won't There's some pretty obvious questions that aren't answered, and so you can you can understand why we get riled up talking about it. Also the sentence the family member tells us Moses died of a gunshot wound, but investigators are working to find out who pulled the trigger. To me, lets me know that there is definitely more information I know, And I just

I really feel like you. I feel like these statements feel so weird to say because I really don't know, but like that, why would you go to this underpass to take your own life? I mean, I guess people do whatever, but I mean, it just it feels my instinct feels like someone killed him. I also don't feel like we have all the information. I'm like, did you die on the freeway? Did you die above the freeway? Did were you shot in the head and then you fell over the bridge? Or did you commit suicide and

then fall over the bridge? Was your car? I just feel like there like well and that stuff that you can that like people could see from the body as well, if you fell and like broke bones and had you know, like uh what it like bought trauma to the body? Right? And are there no cameras in the area, you know? Are there no cameras on bridges? It seems like after everything that happened with bridges and under bridges. They should just build a bridge with cameras in them. So fascinated

by bridges and like how they're built. I think it's crazy. That's a topic for another time. No, no, no, speaking of bridges, bridges, speaking of bridges, London Bridge is falling down. I actually never knew what that meant. But we are heading over to a story in London. I can't wait for this one. Britain's hot fugitive is now in police custody after his mug shot went viral. Daddy sorry, then Jeremy Meeks. Literally they're both hot, but he's so hot,

he's unbelievable. I will use this photo later for personal use. But I am putting in this bank bank. So the London British Police have taken into custody convicted burglar. He's just a burglar, it's not I would not be saying this. It was like a different type of cary, like you know what I mean. He's just stealing hearts. Okay. So the burglar Jonathan K Hill, whose mug shot they posted on social media last week in hopes of sending him back to prison after a suspected parole violation. Oh, he's

such a bad boy. He sparked thousand comments, largely from women offering to help locate him for a totally different reasons. I wonder what they were. Um. They said that they were asking if you know they people could help locate him, and a lot of women seemed drawn to the thirty seven year old blue eyes, chisel jawlines, stony gaze, and his six foot height. Turny okay. Someone said, Daddy, I'm

in love with the criminal. Love it. Someone else wrote, I mean he has committed a crime, but day someone someone said I have handcuffs. That was so funny. Coups. It's like Leo, which one was yours? Which? What did you comment on the Oh mine was too dirty for them to repost in the article, But it's it's hidden. It's in the hidden comments section. Just went through a word filter. They were like, Yeah, mine was you can keep me in the basement anytime. Yeah, he's in my basement. Actually,

you guys. He apparently has been branded the fit, felon or criminally hot. Oh my god, yeah yeah, blue eye banded baby. A lot of people compare him to Wakefield's uh Jeremy Niecks, who we brought up earlier. The hot felon who went viral from the California Police Department sharing his mug shot where he was hot a f where people are calling him jail Bay. Anyway, do we think that people should get recognition for their attractive mug shots?

And do you think can we back up to what if you woke up and I was in your house? I would be like if I dream mean, like if you woke up in that guy's in your home, I would be like, get in my my bedroom, like like what it just it would be so crazy to me to like wake up and be like, oh I heard a noise and that they're just like yeah, I'd be like, wow, I manifest at this. I'd be like, hey, you can take whatever you want, just can you come into the bedroom first? Just oh my god, you got the loube

on the way in. Like it's just like so no, I don't this is you know, it's weird to talk about it, but we he's hot. It's what it is. It doesn't mean he should get off, he should get me off, But I mean it's just it doesn't mean that it's like he shouldn't pay for his crimes. Like we could say somebody's hot. Also, how do you got pretty privileged? I know, like that is everything went wrong for you that you have a burglar. It's like you're hot, dude,

just get an only thing? Well because yes, and also like not that I'm condoning this either, but you just like dirty Job. You could like kind of like you could there it is you could like dirty John this if you're that hot too, Like maybe he doesn't want to put in the work, but like you could definitely scam women for money. Not that I'm endorsing that either, but like you could do this. You could get your

bills paid in a different way. You know, I have a hundred dollar bill right now with his name on it. This guy is basically Channing Tatum if he never got a movie role. Here magic but Channing Tatum is like he's um, you know, he's my number one, but his his he doesn't have a good smile. Like I wonder if this guy is a good smile Channing's wrong with his teeth are bad and he doesn't look good smiling

his smile ruins everything. So I fixed, you would think, but maybe I don't know, but I wonder if this guy, like what his teeth looked like, because that could ruin everything British British not great. Can we get a smiling yeah? Can we uh yeah? Can we pull up a smiling photo of him? Thank you? You know, I just think it's working for some women, Ashley might not be you.

Women are literally like masturbating to this guy and there and to the thought of him being like a criminal, like I'm not saying that I am, but I'm not saying I am. But can you see my other hand didn't wait for a break really right in the middle of the segment. I so, I like, was I was so invested in that Jeremy Meeks thing because he was like the original hot, hot criminal whatever. He looked a little too, I mean he had the neck tattoos like he he looked a little like I'll take it, but

he might cryamp a little like this guy has. He's a little more of a little more clan cut looking. They're both hot. I don't know. I don't know why we're doing a Mary kill with these criminals. Do you haven't a third to throw into the mix? Yeah, well, we're working in marrying these guys. Who are we going to kill? There is no I don't find a photo with him smiling at all, which granted, most burglars don't walk around smiling. I think they're like, it's like he's

looking into every reflection. He's like looking in every mirror, every glass surface. Do you think he knows it's hot? Like, yeah, yeah, he knows he's hot. He's probably committed a lot more burglar and he chose that path. It's just so interesting to choose that path when you're like so objectively good looking. Maybe he thought life was too easy and he wanted to make it harder. Mm hmm. You know, he really just wanted to make it harder, more of a challenge

than having everything handed to him. I get it, all right, let's move on to our next hot topic. Oh my god, alright, hey Chicago man who was released from prison twenty years Oh my gosh, sorry later, this story is crazy. It makes me feel crazy, yes, after how crazy? Okay? His twin brother confesses to the murder. Are they hot? L

O L So. After two decades being behind bars for a murder in two thousand three, a shooting that he never committed, his identical twin brother finally confesses to the crime. Kevin Dugar broke into tears as he was released from the Cook County Jail on Tuesday night and reunited with his loved ones as a freeman. Apparently the judge granted his release pending trial on a signature bond and he walked out into the open air and breathed his first

breath as a freeman in almost twenty years. So what's so crazy about this is he spent twenty years in jail after shooting of a rival gang member. Like I said that he never committed and he was convicted in two dozen five sentence to fifty four years in prison

for years he may retained his innocence. And what's so crazy is that this case was described as stranger than fiction and a wild plot twist that his twin brother, Carl Smith, admitted to having carried out the murder in a confession that was made first in a letter to him in nearly a decade after he was convicted. This is so crazy. Do you feel like the brother felt no guilt? You know what? The brother The brother admitted this in a letter to his brother, But like the

ever surfaced till now? Or why didn't they? Apparently? Yeah, apparently they waited till a confession. What what do you think changed after twenty years to lead to this confession? Well, I don't understand why this didn't happen. What am I not understanding? Let alone? No, yes, I understand that because this is when he sent that letter and admitted to it. But let's go back another ten years, back to when

it first happened. This guy says he didn't do it. Right, there's a twin brother, right, never once looked into that? Well we have any looks like this? Well damn, there's somebody else that looks exactly like that as well. I need so much more information. I like will lose sleep over this exactly that, Like, like was he like wasn't he like maybe it was my jowin brother who's in a gang too or something? You know what I mean? Like, I don't it was they said rival gang member? So

were they both in the gang? Like? Did he just not want to do was he taking the Was he taking the hit for his brother? Maybe because I mean they were they estranged like you know? Or were they like tight? And he's like, I don't know, I'd rather like take the hit. I mean, I have so many questions. I feel like I there's nothing. I just you know, makes me sick. It makes me sicker than like people

being in jail that like wrongfully accused. I feel like the government should pay for you, like to live till till you die. It makes it's like so insane. I feel like should get such a payout if you spent any time at all in jail. Ronfly accused. But that's

a you know, a different topic. Well, what's so crazy is apparently uh in the judge ruled smith is Smith's confession not credible the letter Yeah, and so that's so wild and uh Smith the twin had been denied and appeal himself as he was already serving out a year sentence for a home invasion where a child was shot ahead, so prosecutors were questioning the motives behind the confession, telling the judge that he only came forward after a court

upheld his own convention for attempted murder at the time. So it just seemed like maybe he just wanted to get his brother off because he was already going to bed. That, I mean, that's explains why he did it then. But here's what's interesting as well. So we're talking about Kevin Dugard, right, and then his twin brother, Carl Smith. They're twins. They don't even have the same name. I knew you were going to bring that up. Yeah, it's weird. I mean,

who knows. Maybe people you know? Huh do you think I have a long last twin? Yeah, who's not a comedian and just doesn't use curse words and lives a normal life. And maybe he's married with children somewhere in the Midwest. She's born a ship, don't worry about it. Yeah, that's so crazy. I need I need information on that. You know. Maybe they're very progressive Dmitri and one of them took their wives last names. Maybe each committing and whatnot.

All right, I think let's take a quick break before we had into our final case for today. We'll be right back. Stay safe in between the commercial break and before we re emerge into our final case. Where did this voice come from? Here? By all right? Everyone, welcome back to Real Time Crime. I hope you did not commit a thirty second crime while waiting for the podcast to return, and if you did, Mozeltov alright, our next case.

Our next case is about Jody, who's in truant. I'm sure a lot of you have heard about this case, but if not, I'll give you a little background info.

Jody was a twenty seven year old morning news anchor in Mason City, Iowa, at CBS affiliate k i m T. She worked in Cedar Rapids in Minnesota and back to Iowa at k i m T. And what happened was in the early hours of June, she disappeared on her way to work as an anchor of the daybreak show k I m T. The producer called her at four in the morning when she didn't arrive for work, assuming that she had overslept, and answered and was rushing you to get to work. By six am, she still had

not arrived. Since she didn't show up to work seven am, the staff called the police to do a welfare check and found her belongings scattered and her ma's de Miata still in the parking lot of her apartment building. There was a clear sign of a struggle on her way to her car. They found a partial pomp print at the scene. And just so you know, Jody was single and she lived alone and her apartment was located next

to a river. Three neighbors told investigators they heard a scream in the early hours of June seven, and saw a white van in the parking lot, which to this day has never been identified. ABC News is just aired a special on her case Friday, January, which is bringing

attention back to the case. So the case. Nine months before her disappearance, she reported someone was following her in a white truck while she was out on a run and while police were investigating the site, a man claiming to be a friend of Jody's named John Vinciss was also just want to let you know Van is in his last name. Dance Eyes was the last man to see her. Drove to the apartment and was cooperative with police.

There were reports of Jody hanging out with a mail the night before, banging on the door for two to three minutes saying Jody let me in. Police found the

toilet seat up in her apartment and wine glasses. Also the night before, Jody attended a charity golf event at a country club and left around a p m. John said that Jody came over to his house after she left the charity event to watch a fifteen minute video of her birthday party, then went home, but Jody was home by eight twenty four because she made a long

distance phone call to a friend. So factoring in the ten minute drive to John's place after the country club and the length of the video, then Jody's drive home, the timeline doesn't add up. She would have been home at five, but she made the call. See that's how you collect details from a crime scene. Not that they solved it, but at least look at all that information. Yeah, not that it helped at all, but look at all

that information. I mean, it's just okay, keep fine, all right, well, yeah, okay, Yeah, John was forty nine years old, Jodi was twenty seven years old, and John had a fancy boat named after Jody. There was was it a yacht or was it a cameman? Was it like a dinghy? Like? What kind of boat? Like? Is John like a sugar daddy? All right, let's uh, we'll go a little bit more into the details. And okay, there was spiculation on when he named the boat before

or after her disappearance? What can't you, I mean, when when did he put it on the boat? When did you name the boat? Don't don't they have records of that? You feel like that thing about great information? Yeah, it's like who painted Jody on the name on the boat. How do we think that seems like we shouldn't have that info. I have no tolerance for I guess we'll

never know. It's like, no, that's right. Yeah. In Jody's journal, she wrote about John in a very positive manner, saying that she went and water skiing with him, had a lot of fun with him, and like they had a father daughter relationship. M that's what I said when I was dating a man he was fifty two. I mean, I guess I didn't get far enough DM too. That really hurt. Honestly, you know, he didn't love me and

already triggered by the boat stuff. Yeah, okay, um. John was on a walk with his friend La Donna Woodsford at six am, but police say Jody was abducted at four am. Shahn said he was sleeping at four am. A lot of people believed he had something to do with it. He took a polygraph test and passed twice. But don't we know that all polygraph tests aren't accurate. And also we have a detail that's coming in two seconds that will make me feel even more like this

isn't true. So he was subpoenut In twenty seventeen and asked to provide finger and palm prints in grand jury proceedings. April nineteen issued statements saying living he was living in a suspended hell and had no involvement in the abduction. But John has recently been diagnosed with progressive Alzheimer's disease. He's still a person of interest but has not yet been charged for anything. So let me just ask you

this question. If you have progressive Alzheimer's disease and you take a polygraph test, is it possible you pass because you literally forgot You literally don't know or remember the information that is true. Maybe that's possible, but it depends on when these were taken, because this happened in But that's an interesting point. I mean, I'm just this is a serious question, like if you have Alzheimer's or dementia, or is it possible that you could pass a polygraph

test because you actually don't have access to that memory anymore? Right? Or you like believe I always wonder if you know, sometimes people just tell themselves something enough that they both like truly believe it, like they're but you know, in terms of like enough that you would pass the polygraph. But I don't know. I mean, can we back up? Did he report was he was? He was? They said he was um cooperative? Did he report her and stabbed him in for a question the staff at her job?

Her job? That's right, Okay, they just said he was like cooperative. I mean, do you know anybody suspicious to like, well, there's a forty nine year old guy who named his boat after her and maybe check that. Yeah, I mean the thing that it just makes me feel like they that her going to his place was a quick fight

or something like. It makes me feel that she drove over there after this charity event because they were in a fight or something, and it like it was like something happened quickly, it blew up, and then she went home and then he came and and well then she would have gotten like I mean, I don't know what time the scream was, but the go go to someone's house for fifteen minutes to watch a video is like

that that doesn't make sense. It makes me feel like there was like some sort of low up and she left like hurriedly and went home and called her friend on a long distance call to like talk about this thing that happened. Also, what was the birthday video. Was he showing her something that was like who's that guy? Or you know, I mean there could have been a fight about something like that because it's her birthday video. She was there, so what does she have to run

over there to watch this thing? No, it was so odd the other on a birthday video? What do you mean birthday video? I mean that was so it's like what what was there a videographer there? What are we talking about? Was in a cam quarter? Did he have some he edited her a birthday video? All this information about the video. I love that that he's like, wait a minute, who's this guy you're talking to in the video?

Like that's my thought. And also the fact that someone mysteriously was banging at her door or door late at night saying let me in, and then they found the toilet seat up. A KM man came in and that there were wine glasses. You know, it was like he came in, they hung out. They continue to fight. The van is suspect, I mean the van is us vans are always stussed. Don't get a white van if you're a man. Yeah, and then who doesn't want to seem like he's committing or about don't get a white van.

Did more than one person even, like like say to see the van or was it maybe somebody just trying to be involved? They're like, I saw a white man, I think, you know, like, do we really know there was a white van found at her parking lot that never been identified to be owned by anyone, which is so wild, And no fingerprints or anything they found. They found one half palm print. That's all they found, and that's why they took his fingerprint and pop pop print

palm print. I mean, all men are dogs, sorry to Ma tra So you know, I do think that it's hard for me to believe that he didn't have anything to do with it. And the fact that he was just going for a walk at six am with a friend seems like a great alibi, but obviously he could have been awake at four him committed the crime and then went for a walk with his friend. It like, that's the way, huge, where's his alibi from nine pm

or ten? Yeah, the only time I go for a walk at six am is when I was up at four. The thing is, like, does he normally go for walks at six a m? Is that his exercise routine? Right? If that was my alibi, they'd be like, that's such a lie. You've never been up at six ever, you know. Yeah, And if I'm up at six, I'm not springing into action. But does he have an alibi from? I mean, I

guess why are not the detectives on this case? I just this the thing about It's like, you've got to look at this relationship, like because she's writing her journal about him, he names a boat after her, Like what what you know? What's going on there? Yeah? No, but you know what, you bring up a good point. I feel like we should be the investigators on this. We have really ramped up from the beginning of this podcast. I feel like if we had like two or three

more cases, we'd probably solve one of them percent. I mean, this is my dream to be, like, well, actually I want to be I guess, I guess a detective. I want to interrogate people is my true calling. Like that's what I don't know that I'm like, I really want to be like a fullblam detective, but I want to be the like interrogator that's finding like plot holes and when people are lying. Like that's what I feel like I had to have like a it's in my soul.

I would hate to be any of your ex boyfriends. Yeah, it's it's brutal for sure. I mean I feel like dating just made me realize that is my true calling. I mean honestly, Yeah, you're like, Okay, And so he ghosted, We're gonna get to the bottom of this case. He better be dead, so okay. So, so there are some more details in this case. The case then turned to a serial rapist, Tony Jackson, who lived in Mason City, just a few blocks from k I m T at

the time of Jody's disappearance. Tony was convicted of rape two years after Jody went missing. The crimes are unrelated, by the way, and if sawmate reported that Tony spoke about murdering an anger woman and her body was in Tiffin, Iowa, about two and a half hours from Mason City. Okay. So police searched that area and found no signs of human remains. Jackson spoke to from prison and denied he had anything to do with the case and was cleared.

And I'll just say that we do know a lot of times people admit to murders that they never committed. In crimes that they never committed. We don't know why. We don't know it's thrush. We don't know if they just want attention. But it's possible that that's not true. Another theory was of the death of Bill Pruin, who died three months before Jodie went missing of a gunshot wound to the head, and it was first ruled a suicide, but changed too could not be determined. Another man, Thomas

of course Catin, was also brought up. He lived forty five minutes from Mason City at the time, and he owned a white van that he used with prostitutes. He was later convicted of sex crimes and is serving his time at jail. Jodie declared legally dead by her family in June two one. But like that feels like easy, Like I mean not just just because you're uh sex offender, doesn't mean you're a murderer. Like if she had no

no connection to him whatsoever. I'm not defending the rape the sex offender, But like, I don't even where did what? Why did they think Bill Pruin did it? I read, I read the int you guys sent his His family is like, can you guys stop? Like this is her dad, like he died three months before she disappeared, So I don't I was even a suspect. What was what have a criminal record? I've missed that. So apparently some people think that because she was investigating his death that oh

he was murdered. Oh she was investigating his okay, And I don't think it a danger. So he's not a suspect. It's whoever may have killed Bill now that may have then come after her and we never know who killed But I thought his daughters were saying like they were defending. I don't know like why John got off the hook with the polygraph basically, which you can't even It doesn't hold up in court, does it, Because it's based on like people's heart and the blood and stuff like that,

so they what if you don't have a heart? But also like were there not like were there not like lip marks on the wine glasses like the like he did he wash the wine? Like what weren't there multiple wine glasses the toilet seat, like was he they're wearing gloves? Well, I know when I go to a man's house, I don't leave a trace of DNA. I just don't want the other girl to know about me also because I don't like to do a classic leave behind, you know,

when I'm done with feer boxers. Yeah. No, I I think that it's clear that who There are four men named in the case, but I think John is the most suspicious in my opinion. I want to hear everything. I want to hear like John's whole night, like I want it's like I want them to be like, Okay, John, Well, she she made a call from a landline, you know, at this time, so you actually she wasn't there for

fifteen minutes? Like what, like I need all the information there and then so okay, so she came at age, she left a fifteen what'd you do till you went on your six am walk? Do you normally? Like? I have so many more questions for John. Here's who I want to talk to. But he also has progressive Alzheimer's, so he might not even have the ability allegedly allegedly, Oh, Ashley, very good Ashley. But here's the deal. Didn't they say John went for a walk at six am with a friend. Yeah,

I want to talk to the friend. I want to know what John's behavior was at six o'clock. I want to know if they really did go for a walk. I want to know what that. I want to talk to that friend, and especially since if John does have Alzheimer's now I doubt that the friend does as well, So right, well, and I want to know from the friend what John's five am phone call to her was like. Also, if you're going right off no reason, Yeah, we're going for a walk with a friend at six You also

know when they painted their boat. That's hilarious, right, but for real, like that, there is certain things that somebody like that can answer. But also like I mean, it's just unfortunate that boat. The types of case that, just like with Lawrence Smithfield, where if they don't get the evidence when the case happens, they're not going to get it. So it's like if they didn't get DNA sample from the wine glass, they're not going to get it now twenty years later, you know. I mean, this is just

such a tragedy. I hope that some thing cracks in the case now that there's more attention to it. But I guess we'll just wait to find out more information, Like I would want to know, like the wine glasses are part of this, We're part of the investigation. So there when you drink wine, they're full blown fingerprints and lip like. So if there were no trace of fingerprints, that's a sign that someone like you know what I'm saying,

like were you wearing gloves drinking wine? And also if you're going if you're going in with gloves or ready to kill this? O? G y N like us. But like if you're going to kill somebody, do you and you're wearing gloves? You're that prepared? Are you having a glass of wine? I don't know? Ask O. J. Simpson. If you see if somebody sits down with you and says, oh, I don't want to jar to your glass and they put on rubber gloves, yeah, and like how did they

put the glove on? Was it like? And then you just you're that master figures, so meticulous, but you didn't put the toilet sea down? Like what is going on? Lot's not adding up here? And do we have any final thoughts before we wrap for the day on a what all of it? Anything? Yeah? Life? The meaning of it? Me? I just I just feel like I will stopped. I'll talk about this with everybody. Tide like I have to go to the stand Tide I'll just be like, did you guys know about this case? From I will not.

I'll just this is all I'm gonna care about. I'll be in the basement tonight, you guys. The next time I talked to Ashley, she has a true crime podcast. But I just want, like I want someone to tell me the story and me just be like what about this? Like I just I like to think about this kind of stuff. I just can't do it too much. It will consume my life, you know. I mean, welcome to our lives. This is our life, every week, every every day.

I mean, this is how the podcast started because I couldn't stop talking about the Gabby Petito case to anyone who would listen, you know, like to a man on the street. I was like, hey, have you heard about the Gabby Petito case? He's like okay, Um, you know apparently they you know, people at Trader Joe's don't like having small talk. But that's why I went there. I was like, someone here will talk to me, the cashier. You would think that's this. This has definitely affected my

life though. I go, I take dog for a walk on like a road up in the hill or something, and I'm like, Okay, well, this is gonna be a dead body around here somewhere. So that's literally what I do on the walk is I look for a crime. Oh wow. See this is a difference who men and women. I think I'm going to be the victim of a crime and you think you are going to see you crime. I'm like, I gotta get the mace and you're like, oh,

whose body am I going to discover? Yeah, maybe I'll be, you know, and maybe the hot convict in London will discover my body. God, oh my god. Yeah. All right, you guys, this has been an extraordinary episode of real time crime. We've covered everything and more today and with our lovely friend Ashley hessel Tyne and sometimes to tree Ashley, where can we find you? On the internet? You can listen to Girls Gotta Eat podcasts wherever you listener podcasts.

And uh, I am ash Hess on Instagram and TikTok I just you know, I go waves. So there's probably no fresh TikTok right now, but um on everything, I'm ashs and Twitter to a s H H E S S. And thank you. If you're in any work, you come see me at the stand. I'm there. All the time. Just my head shot is all over their website. So just check me out. Your mug shot or your head shot. It's it's a little bit of both. I like the head shot when you're upstairs, but when you're in the basement,

it's a mug shot exactly. Yeah, you guys, Yeah, your head shot is on the wall upstairs. Your mug shot is on the wall downstairs. I mean, I could just do this all day, you guys. We're coming to a close for today. I just want to remind you if you want to leave us a voicemail, we'll play it on the pod, will uncover a new case that you bring to us. If you've got questions, comments, concerns, thoughts

about my stupid jokes, please let us know. You know the column live number, it's eight six six twenty one crime. That's eight six six to anyone crime, eight six six to any one crime. That's eight six six two one two seven four six three. Actually is the first guest host that didn't dance to that? Wow? Actually I was I'm gonna forget that. I'm trying to forget that happened. Okay, well I have to go. We have a I have like A, Raina, and are one of our other you

no worries. We know you're busy, okay, busy. I was late and now I have to go. Um, but I will. Are you in l A two Dmitri? I am yeah. I'm from New York though, so I do go back. I'll stop by the stand next time I'm there. Just do it. Yeah. And I mean, if you ever become single, just let me know again. This is not for me. I can't stress enough. And I mean I find you attractive as well, but it's for Raina. Uh. And Raina

just walked in. Rain I'm on this podcast and I asked this rain come over here because where it gets weird? And are you guys good lucky Plea's married with kids. It's not just come see if it's you're type. We just need we need a confirmation right now. Raina is gonna. Isn't that your type? Raina? Him? Leah? Is this your type? This ugly? Um? I just walk makeup off. I don't care whatever. You normally have a full out of hand in the whole thing. See exactly. My instagram is Raina

doc Greenberg. If you and your wife ever split up, we'll see your inn Lex. Thanks for having for us. Okay, well um bye, sorry for making it weird. Okay, bye bye. It's real tung crop, it real toung g. I mean, is it actually real time crime I'm solving anything? Or is that just the thing we say, it's a thing we say, got it? Okay, see you next week for more real time crime, only on I Horror Radio.