George Lopez & Gil Carrillo (The Night Stalker)

case of the night Stalker. Well, who better to help us uncover all the details of this gruesome case other than Gil Coreo, one of the detectives who put him behind bars and stars in the Netflix show The night Stalker And our dear friend who's also obsessed with true crime, the one the only George Lopez. We love comedy, we love crime, so to George, so obviously he's a perfect fit for this episode. But before we get started today and introduced them, let's say hello, Hi, Oh my god, Hi?

How is everyone? Everyone? I mean? By me? I'm okay. I do need to turn my heat off really quick in my house hold on Okay, turn that heat off. The first crime has been committed to it's too hot to hand. Speaking of which, my apartment fire alarm was blaring last night. You know, you know how you always think like, oh, what if I don't hear the fire alarm. No, no, no, you'll hear it. You'll hear it. What was happening? I saw your instagram was literally Okay, here's the craziest thing.

The fire alarm was blazing, like you can't hear anything else for it feels like you're gonna have your damage. That's how loud the sound is. Uh. My male woman knocked on the door to deliver a package when this it's going on, and I was like, oh, I think we need to get out of the building, and she's and then she just wanted to have a full on conversation.

And I'm like, this is how starved for human connection everyone is that while the building might be burning down, She's like, yeah, but could we just chat real quick? Like can we chat outside? Maybe? Yeah? She's like, you know, it's funny because when I was just down a couple of doors, I feel like I saw some smaller was like, yeah, let's leave the building. I don't it was. It was

last night she was delivering a package. That see if if if this alarm was going off really loud and someone knocks and says I have a package, I would have gone full crime on that one. Maybe she wasn't even a real post office worker and they were this is a long con to just get me out of my apartment to bug it, you know, because I'm definitely wanted by the CIA. I think if the CIA needed anything, they could get it from your Instagram. I don't think

they need to bug your apartment. Who am I aunt? Alvi? Um? Hilarious? Okay. Also, I've just noticed my hair is so odd. But it's just like this is who I am, and I there's nothing I can do about it. Okay anyway, Um, yeah, So I was sitting in my car outside my building for hours last night, just watching the fire department go in and out of the building. But you know, um

what happened? What was? So don't leave his hanging. I never got any information, and it was so odd because they kept circling my building, going in and coming out. So I was like, did you chat up any fireman? You know? Me? I have a feeling I like you know what else is on fire? Oh? Is that a dad joke? Ye, Dmitri, I don't have any STDs. Thank you. I have a really big crime to report. Please tell us. I broke my nail and I don't know how I did it, so I feel like someone's out to get me.

I wonder if Gil gets solve this crime. Gil, can you get on the case because it really hurts and you don't know how. Like you woke up and it was broken. Yeah, I woke up and it was broken, and then I had to of course finish the job. So you know, I don't know if I'm now compliant with a crime. I don't know. Well, you tampered with evidence, the fingerprints on your fingerprint? You but I almost didn't come to the pod today because I was so revved

that now I'm this is me. Do you think someone came into your bedroom at night while you were sleeping and ripped your finger nail? Probably it's likely the male woman that was at your place probably came to mind after she has something play the tapes. Did you find the piece of it? It wasn't around, It was not around. Yeah, I mean I could. I did have a kind of an eventful night last night. Okay, go on the Big Brother. Yeah,

so what happened? So? Um, I had a choice. I could when I voted the person voted to keep the person to stay. I had the option of just you know, being cool. But but I didn't I take that option. I took the other option of like being kind of a douche. Shocking. But he was not that great, so I had to give him a little I had to give him a little upper cut. So, if we're honest,

America hates Toddrick. Yeah, and now there's all these memes of me because I refused to go over and give him a hug when everybody like came out and gave hug, so that it's just like me standing and they're like, this is how much I give. I was like, how can you come a hug to somebody after you just said you don't like them? I can't do it. I appreciate you standing your ground and being authentic, but it is interesting that you woke up without a fingernail. Now, karmically,

maybe it was Doddreck. He was like that seem like a crime he would commit to get her nailed. Damn All right, Well, uh I now I have a sneaky suspicion that the case that we're going to talk about today that you think he's hot. You know what's so funny is I literally said, Leah, don't tell them you think he's hot and playing the odds. But to some women that hot. You know a lot of women hit him up in jail. He even got married when he was at jail. I know a lot of them like

it's a jail, that's jail's Instagram handle at jail. I wonder if that's taken anyway, Um, okay, Well, as you all know, one of our amazing guests today is the incredible George Lopez. George has had a very multifaceted career which encompasses TV, film, stand up, late night television. He actually just started shooting the pilot for his upcoming NBC comedy Lopez Versus Lopez, featuring his real life daughter, and it's a sit coment about a blue collar family set

to premiere in George. More importantly, you guys know this about him already, but I'm just going to tell you again. Anyway, he broke ground in stand up comedy for Latin comics by embracing his ethnicity and confronting racial stereotypes head on. I love watching George on stage. He's absolutely hilarious. He's currently performing stand up in arenas across the country on his Oh My God High Comedy Tour, which is also

the name of his podcast. His original comedy special We'll Do It for Half for Netflix, premiered globally in the summer of and prior to that, he joined Eddie Griffin Dale Hughley Cedric the entertainer on stage for the comedy get Down, which inspired a scripted comedy series based on the tour for b Et. You already know him. He's a legend, a living legend. He is a star. We are so grateful to have him here. And his connection to our next guest is that sometimes this guest is

often featured on George's podcast, Oh My God High. It's a weekly podcast featuring surprise celebrity guest listener Collins, stories of George's haunted house, hot takes, and more. And I've actually been on their podcast, which is how I know them. And I'm so grateful because Gil Courier, he is a retired police officer and he was the patrol officer of the l a p d in nine and he served for thirty eight years. Oh my god, this man is

again living legends. We've got on today. He investigated seven to eight hundred murders and was promoted to lieutenant of the l A County Sheriff's Homicide Bureau. So he was also Netflix's star of the TV show night Stalker. The Hunt for the serial killer also completely centralized around him and his partner Frank Salerno, and they investigated the case of the famous serial killer Richard Ramirez. So you already know about this serial killer if you're listening to this

podcast because you're obsessed with true crime. But if you haven't watched the Netflix show yet, there's a four part series. It's a documentary many series about the nights Stalker. You should go watch it because it is quite excellent. And by excellent I mean gruesome and terrifying and deeply disturbing. But it's well produced and Leah is actually the woman

that was married to the night Stalker. I'm Dorene and I just say, every time you said the title of George Lopez's podcast, you said, oh my god, high Teddy was looking at her notes, And every time you said it she shot up and looked at thinking. Both times, I was like, what you're like, Oh my god. Hi, She's like like someone was on the screen. I think fast today, like whip whipping around fast. Listen, we get

you're operating on nine nails. I mean, when you only have nine nails, there's not a lot you can function with when. Yeah, so would you say you had a lot of espresso today or not as much espresso today? None? Because days after I make bad decisions, I don't like

to have caffeine because decision did you make? No, I mean, not not bad decisions, but when when when I'm heavy in the social media world and I got like, I don't like to take Yeah, I don't know if you guys have noticed, but my Instagram has been changing recently. We hadn't noticed. Hold on what's going on. I'm just popping off, really sharing with the world who I am,

whether or not I should do that. So we are extremely fortunate to have on one of the detectives who brought the serial killer Richard Ramirez to justice, and that's Gil Curio and of course our true crime obsessed king of comedy, George Lopez. All Right, so we've already kind of briefed our audience about the night Stalker case, obviously, and we have so many questions for you guys today. And before we get into the nitty gritty of the case and any of that, let's take it back two seconds, George,

real fast. How did the idea for the Oh My God High podcast come about? Uh? You know, I know, I've been asked to do some podcast on Spotify. I don't want to say names Spotify. And then the guy was trying to like walk me through how to interview people and how to do stuff. And we had like seven shows in the can, you know, and I had the talk show for a couple of years and you know, the other show for twenty shows, and I'm like, is this guy trying to tell me how to like talk

and how to relate and things. So that that went away, and then I wasn't really sure about getting back into it, and all things comedy with Bill Burn and those guys

and everybody being so great were there. I thought I would tried, and I tried it with a friend of mine and that became more of just like almost a whipping boy, you know, commedially, and then when Gil came in, uh, Bobby Lee was in and Gil just you know, had this great laugh and you know he has great stories of his own, you know, family, and I mean, listen, the dude was in Vietnam. Like, you know, I don't want to drive if it's drizzling, to not get my car with this dude was in Vietnam. So to me,

that ranks above all else. I mean, I've been in disney Land with my feet heard and you're like, man, I can't take another minute of it. And it was a Vietna So when it's cold and you're you know, I'm gotta get inside. Let's started getting really when they was in Vietnam. So anybody that's in Vietnam and still can laugh and enjoy life that much is he's got a seat next to me. And it just really changed,

you know. And the fact that when and be Real from Cyper still was in and I knew that if he was gonna smoke, we Gil would probably leave the room. So fortunately those guys got to Oh my God high an hour earlier and just burning in the car. And if I didn't know it was in the car, I probably would have called because I was an electrical premetrical fire in this car wiring. The smoke was just coming

out of the tops of the windows. You're like, man, that dude's dashboard is on, Eric is on the computer shorted out and those dudes come in so high. And I had done the real showing. And I don't really smoke, but I do I will if they're doing it. And I can't remember what I said. I just know that it took me fourteen minutes to get home from downtown.

And Gil's just been the greatest to to to go back and forth with, and the fact that he can remember dates like nobody's business, and his his answers are honest, and you know, one of his own guys shot at one time. How can you not enjoy stories about one of your own guys shooting at you. Wow, that's that's all right, So we're not messing with Gil. Um. Well, how did you guys meet? Well, you know, the nights. I don't know where I became a fan of of

of crime. I was telling them. I was like, George is a massive true crime fan, and I was in your podcast. You knew every detail about every case. You know, And the validation for my time and crime comes with Jeff Garen is a writer who did the last book on Charles Manson, and he was interviewing Manson about a year before he died, and he said to me, you know, Charles,

how do you spend your days? You know? Now he goes, well, you know, I love music, and I listened to classic rock, and I love Frank Sinatra and John Wayne and George Lopez. So listen, if Charles Manson can feel it, I'm with it. Like somebody said, go see him, I'm like, yeah, maybe I'll stop off at bill Is on the way back, Like, oh no, I'm not going over there. You crazy. So

it's just like that stuff. And then you know when I was in Milwaukee in the nineties when they caught dom you know, I landed at the Milwaukee airport and they're like, what time does the show? It's like two hours away, all right, so let's go stop where Dominant lived in the party and it hadn't been torn down yet. But at the part, I mean just it's just awful. I find I find a tremendous waste of good energy.

You know, I won't go see where my daughter lives, but I'll go see where Jeffrey dahmerts I haven't been to my daughter's house once you've been there for two years, she's like four miles away. That's because when so when someone says have you ever been there? Have you ever seen that, you want to be like, yeah, yeah, no, I've been there, but no one. You know, the chance of someone be like, hey, have you ever seen your

daughter's place? No, they assume that you have. But if someone says, you see where Jeffrey Hmer there and listen, if my daughter put police taper around the apartment, I'm sure I'd be there in two minutes. Me too. Actually, so sorry, so we still don't know how you met besides your love of true crime. He came in. You know, the night Stocker documentary was I guess the year ago January, and uh, you know it was highly tout and you know, I think four episodes and I watched it. I worked

in north Warde at that time. And then you know, Gil was the guy that you know, he shines in that thing like he thought that it was just one person wh everybody thought it was true. So then I reached out to I think moments here, and then he got me Gil's number and I called him and I think his wife answered. I said, as girl there, who's this? Says George Lopez silence, and she I think she hung up, and uh I didn't called back for a long time, and then I got a text saying, hey, man, I

got a call from here like three weeks ago. Who is this? You know that? So then I we finally talked. Cute. I love that. Well Mexicans, I mean we're gonna meet eventually right there there that cemetery, let's the resurrection cemetery or that or the baby does above it or baby does. I mean Mexican jew and Jews are just the same in that way. You know, I'm like, I think we're all family. Honestly, you can't get buried in a Mexican

cemetery unless you have tattoos opposite for Jews. Okay, I feel like I'm hogging the mic, but um so, if anyone else wants to hop in, we get along. You know, it's one of those things where you know, you meet a guy and you feel like you've known him a

long time, so you know, it's an interesting dynamic. And you know, for one thing for the podcast is like I don't really listen to them, and I don't really kind of go over them or critique m I just do them, you know, because it's the freest way to talk um in in all of the things that I do, like in stand up You're gonna piss somebody off, and then secret Service at my house, and then in all those things people get upset and and uh, people about

the secret service story. Oh man, I need to know. Now. I go to Cedric. I take Cedric and his family to chateau like early January, maybe like two years ago, and I'm looking at my Look at your phone, Look at my phone. When I get in the car, and it says that allegedly the leader of I Ran had offered a bounty on our former leader and it was eighty million dollars alleged. And then on the way back, after a couple of mimosas and and some dumb I wrote, we'll do it for half. And it turned the whole

world upside down. And they, you know, they just look for anything, you know. Somebody said, you know, hey, when you're swimming with sharks, don't bleed because I'll attack you. That was years ago, and it's true, Like if you're in that rare fight air and you and they want you, and if you do something like that, you're you're allowing everybody to kind of go after you. So it's true.

And then I watched you know, uh Fox, and they sent me things from Fox News wants to know what I what I meant and you know, listen to show. But they came down to the house and they said, do you think that was funny? And I said, you know, I think when I did it, I thought it was funny. But right now with you guys in fund of the CIA has no sense of humor. You know, they don't want to drink coffee or water. You know, it's like, what do you think I want to put something? You know?

You know. So so if they just were all business and and for people that like, you're not trying to tell my daughter everybody that's on social you're always sound old when you say I try to tell my daughter. But everything that we put on social media they have and they know, and they they they darsier. Were you like, hey, just once I can we go live? No? Yeah, no, no, that we weren't gonna go live, wasn't. The question that really got me was do you have any weapons in

the house? And I was like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Oh my god, that was the one that got me too many weapons in the house. On the way out, they were like, hey man, we loved your special. Do you have a favor both of you guys? Do you all have a favorite crime? Favorite crime? He's like, what is wrong with the favorite for a living? I don't. I don't look up any of this stuff. You know, I did it for a living. Uh, George, I'm fast

by how much George really knows and follows. I was on the podcast with him one time and I mentioned the fact that I was asked to consult on the b t K Killer, and as soon as I said b t K, he said Dennis Raider. I didn't remember Dennis Raider's name. I don't remember half this stuff because to me, it's a job. I'm not keeping it in there. He's he's studied it, he's done it all, and he's

fascinated by it. So I don't. I don't. My favorite crime in Canada would be Russell Williams, and then my favorite crime in in California would be Manson, and then I would probably go b t K in which it's all. I was a Dahmer in Milwaukee. I would go up into this Sacramento, California that was buried one Corona who was burying migrant workers. No wonder. You know the lettuce didn't get picked one year and they go, where's all the guys I used to work here? Killed them all?

Sen killed like thirty thirty migrant farmworkers and buried him into the with a great name. That name up one Corona is a great name. You just rattled those off, those crimes off like it was an ESPN fantasy rankings. You're like, oh, you know, the Lakers haven't been good in ten years, so I got to focused by time somewhere else. I've never even read the book on the Night Starker Kate. You know there's a book written and I helped part of the invest I've never read that.

He's he's a reader, he's a student. He's good. If I had known this, I'd have been going to him for consulting you. No name. I testified in the Michael Jackson trial. Wait, what, here's my that's Tom Mezzero standing that guy that looks like the nutcracker sitting down as Michael Jackson, and then the one that looked like Mario Lopez had to go to court. I looked at made me much younger. And then the Rodney selling, I think

that is amazing. George is holding up a painting. It is like a like a Bob Ross style painting, like very well done of a courtroom scene and it's the artist of artists of all crime that you know, you don't know cameras and he was there and he drew that for me and gave it to me, like to what extent were you testifying? You know, Uh, the Laft factory had this, and you know this is that's how

something can go sideways. The last factory had comedy camp for kids that were under privilege, and I got the Latino kids. I got the Arvizo family and Jamie Fox did it and Leno, Chris Tucker, myself, Arsenio and that family was the family that accused Michael Jackson of the two thousand five trial. So that kid left his wallet at my house. I took him to go eat and just got out of the hospital. I took him to

go eat. And then when I got back, my wife when I was married, and said, you know, Gavin left his wallet in here, and I opened the wallet he had fifty dollar billion there, and I'm like, wh why does this kid have fifty our billionaire? You know, it's

like poor and uh. Allegedly Michael Jennison gave him the fifty, but then also the father when I took the wallet back to the laugh Factory, claimed that I had taken three out of there, so which was not true, and Tom Ezerro used that as the defense, like the button in his opening argument. So I was walking in New York. I was gonna go do Regis and Cathy or Katie whoever, and I walked by. I was watching Court TV, and I said, God, that guy looks like a lot like me,

and I that that is me. And it said said to be to be subpoena that this weekend, if not today, and to testifying the trial. And I said, well, how would you like to get your subpoena in person? Or should you have episode that my lawyer when it got it delivered to him. I would have loved if it was delibered you while you were filming Regis. That would

have been amazing. I wish, I wish I would have taken the three hundred, could have offset the seventy thousand it cost me to hire a lawyer ring to fly up. How about your like, what what's this kid doing with fifty bucks? And then they're like, well there was three D and the right what are you doing with three hundred? Yeah? So you know that, I mean just being around that. I mean I've been around some crazy things in my life. You know, I've been around um, you know I was.

I played golf with o J after he got out. I was on the freeway when he went by that that afternoon, I was going down coming in a magic store. It took me to twenty minutes to get from Sherman Oaks to her most of the beach and I got out stage and I said, hey, let's let out every Friday because there was no traffic. All right, I've said enough. Wow. Gil has a look on He's like, you know, crime is not funny. He looks like he's like, I'm fascinating.

My job is just to set here, watch, listen, laugh. Uh. He fascinates me. I gotta say, Gil, your your name and Frank Sillerno. Anytime I listened to something about, you know, crime in the eighties and Los Angeles, those are the names that come up. You guys did a bang up job. Like every time there was like a serial killer that was that was caught, you guys were right there behind it. Thank you. It's really all the people involved, everybody around us.

Somebody gets to sign the handle on it, but it's it's a team, and I was surrounded by heroes. Oh that's nice. A lot of the stuff I've heard was like, oh, no one thought this, no one gave an extra but then it was it was Gilbert and and Frank that thought, no, no,

there's something more to this. So it sounds like you guys, and I know you you definitely seem too modest to take this, but I'm just gonna finish it off, is that it seems like you guys were the ones that always thought things through and and did the final steps. Are the extra steps that led to a lot of those captures. Thank you. Then, and then ended up on the George Wolf Oh my God I podcast. So where did if Richard Ramirez handn't gone to the dentist? How

much longer do you think he would have been out there? Guilt? We said when he hit in the mission vehicle, we'd have him within two weeks, and we had no idea who we was yet, but we thought we'd have within two weeks. And today that they released his name, we said, give us twenty four hours, and you know, hindsight. Uh, they released his name because they had to, and I understand why, and he was caught. The next point, what do you think the fascination is with women who want

to marry serial killers once they're in jail. I have no idea. He had some gorgeous, beautiful, well one would call sexy he and then he up marrying one of the ones that attractive den But she she she thought he was innocent. That's what she says. I never spoke with her. I don't care. It's bizarre, Like, didn't somebody married Kenny Bianci right, one of the Hillside stranglers, and then they like committed a crime, a murder for him to prove that it wasn't him because he was behind

bars at that time or something. It's insane. Yes, And this is I know this is a little awkward because I don't know if you guys know that. Leah. Anytime there's a serial killer that we talked about, Lee is like, oh, he's hot always. She has like a fascination. Well, I mean, maybe you're just not that picky leat. I mean, we've seen my list of men that I've dated, so I

probably am not that picky. But I do think in a different alternate to mention a different timeline, you know, I think he was he could have been like a model Ali and needs She's fine as long as a guy either has a mug shot or a head shot. And she said like she's like, this is my guy.

But those are so deviant though, I mean, you know, to think that a woman would be like that's my guy, all right to him, and you know they you all said there was some women that would sit in court and you know, he'd wear his classes and he kind of look over his shouldren go like that, and he was just moving these women, Like even women that were lawyers would go in there and sit there and watch

him like I guess he was. I don't know if he what that magnetism is, but even everybody I think involved with the case said that that if you laid eyes on that dude, like he was magnetic, you know, like, umguil right, he was kind of you had something. Everybody would say something see something different. Some women Sophie Dickman, who testified at the age of sixty five, as five victims said, he was quite a handsome young man, you know, so he had chisel look to him. And I don't know.

I wasn't not my type. Do you think it's a fascination of like wanting to change somebody and thinking you'd be capable to do that, or do you think it's like we were saying, because he's has fame. Or there was one follower, a little Filipino young lady went every day to the preliminary hearing and then she'd go visit him in the jail constantly. After the case was over, I was talking to him and I said, rich, whatever happened to Bernadad? And he said, ah, she's come by.

But she was trying to talk uh to go back into Catholicism, get back into Christianity, get back into God, I said, And he said, oh, no, it didn't work. And I heard because I had taught her into doing porno, so he hear into doing porno and she wanted him to go back in the church. So I don't know. At one time he asked me, why do you think I am the way I am? And the same answer is just like, why did these ladies do it? I have no idea a doctor would give you an answer

to that. And they get paid a lot more money than I did as a cop. And he never showed any remorse practice. He showed remorse for one victim, one victim only, and after he kidnapped a tenure a little girl and let her go, after this case is all over, what we're talking to me. The only thing he was remorseful about, besides the one teenage girl, that he had assaulted a little ten year old girl. And he wasn't

sorry for her. He was sad. He was sad and because a little puppy got out when he took the girl, and he was concerned for the puppy. Didn't know if the puppy had made it home. Wow, But you know I worked in I worked in the valley in north Ridge around that time, and you know, no social media, remember, no phones and and nothing. So um when he was out there and he was hitting in the valley and around north Ridge, and when you would leave working and

start the sun would start to go down. You could feel in the air that tension of this guy being out there and not and not getting caught yet and in that area, and I mean, I've never felt it in any other part time of be living out here, but in north Ridge in the mid eighties. There when that guy was on the loose, you could feel the tension. You could see people going home, you could see the streets with less cars on him, and that guy would still hit like it's like you you're expecting me to

do it, and he still did it. And then it made the next time even even worse like that, just it was no but no one was out when he was out there. How common is it that a serial killer doesn't have a type? This was What he was doing was quite uncommon. A matter of fact, nobody had been in criminal history had been documented doing what he was doing. The several different methods of this modus operandi, the method of his operation, from the way he killed him and to what are his victims were, And so

normally everybody sticks to a certain type. This guy went was all over the place. So the only pattern was that he were the obvious shoes. His only consistency was his inconsistency. He wore the via shoe up until a favorite senator went public with the shoe shoe information, at which time he from over the Golden gate Bridge and change shoes, went to a stadia as opposed to the via.

And and that how important was it? I can tell you without equivocation that on January nine, five, one thousand, three D fifty six Pairer model for forty avias entered the United States from Taiwan through New York, of which six pair ended up in the state of California, with one pair ended up the city Los Angeles. So that was almost as good as a fingerprint, right, And so he'd been wearing gloves the whole time, so that one fingerprint was the only fingerprint he left. Right. He wore gloves,

either cheap gloves, gardening gloves, or even socks. He just put socks on his hands. He did leave a print. We found an old case June night four and uh Jenny Vinkow, which was an l ap D case. He had a live print. But back in nineteen four and eighty five, fingerprints weren't automated, with the exception of felons, so he had never had a felony conviction, so they weren't They were of the computers, and so fingerprints didn't

mean it. But he left the fingerprint on a car, and he left the fingerprint at the residents of Jenny Vinko. How did you end up getting involved in the case in the first place? But was it by location or back then in the old days we used to wear beepers. I was on all I knew. I was up. People went off then forty March seventeen uh and they said Europe, you got a murder, and it was That's where I went. And then you started linking stuff together and just get going.

You got a U up page. No, I just got up. You know you're on call. You got your murderer. What number murder was that? That was the first one in the modern series. And we say modern because we did find the one L A p D. During the investigations. We got this murder over here that occurred of Jenny Vincow in June of eighty four, and that was out of Northeast Division. And I said, just hold on to it, and he says, we have a live print, but we can't make it. We've run it, nothing, no hits on it.

I will just hold onto the case until after we solve ours and once we have somebody in custody then we'll match the prints. And it turned out of what same guy? Wow, So you mentioned that the with the sneakers and then somebody let that out and then it kind of you know, I understand. That's why you guys keep so much information close to the vest. Is that because if something gets out, then they can react to that.

Was there ever one when you thought you were like real close and and somebody like information leaked and it completely derailed the case. Yeah, that's the nice one. Yeah, No, that's exactly why we keep some information on the news. I watched people today. Uh the georgiall call me. I don't know, they'll call me and he calls me names all the time. But uh, the actor that just shot somebody on the movie set. Okay, Now, the police officers

and charged over there. They were given an awful lot of information and you can tell they're not used to dealing with high profile cases. So the less contact you have with the press, the more information you're gonna you're gonna leak out. During this case, the chief of police Monterey Park let out the on the Joyce Nelson murder or Dot William and Emily Dot Uh the blood Curtly calls you listen to the news, and they always put

out these calls because that gets people to watch their news. Well, that was the last time Richard ever left the phone intact. He once it went out publicly. From that point on, he disabled every phone in the house. So they follow. You better believe that these serial killers are following the

news just like we are. Do you think they get off on seeing themselves in the news As an example, it's definitely to quote Richard, I've got an ego that will fill this filled this room, but I can tell you everything about the time that Romans fed the Christians to the Alliance to modernate serial killers, which was yeah, sorry, go ahead, No, that was it. You just had a big That's why I was disappointed, because the night Stalker is a is a for all you know, in tense purposes,

a pretty cool title. But my understanding, and correct me if I'm wrong, is that he originally they called him the screen door Intruder. They had several names from it, and we didn't. The law enforcement doesn't make up the names. That's the local media that makes up names. But you know, it's like, screw him. I wish I wish he had been stuck with that one rather than getting a cool one the screen door intruder like yeah, yeah, or a mosquito.

You know. Well, it's interesting he would wear sunglasses in the courtroom. How did they even allow that? Well they did. They try to take him, get him to take him off, and he didn't want to judlin him do it. He just makes him look so much cooler though he was. He thought he was cool. People obviously thought he was cool. It looks like he just had a really fun night in Vegas and came to court looked like a Miami

dope dealers. You know. One of my one of my favorite things about that document is he's he is tied up at the waist and the prosecutor is talking about him to him and and you know, really in in in tough tones about being a murderer and being this and being you know, in human and like a lot of when they somebody's talking to him like that, they kind of kind of rock almost like a like a chicken, you know, and they're like, hey, you'll know the movie.

It's like hey, this, this, this, and this, and he does that to the prosecutor even though his his hands are shackled at the waist and he's going like this to him, and it's it's chilling, man, because you know, we grew up around guys like that, and you know that that guy has that in him where this guy is just berating him and even though he's done what he's done, it's like you're doing it in front of

my face. And you see him really kind of kind of get that posture, you know, get that get that feeling like what it must have been like when he was when he was out there, you know, nobody does that without I mean it was high on crack and all that stuff. But you could see that guy just pump up and you know, you're like, wow, man, and like that. Nobody very much. He did that very much.

And culturally speaking, one day he came in and the news media went they went nuts because he walked in shackled and he saw me sitting in the courtroom and he just bobbed his head and real and they thought it was death threats, the non Spanish speaking me. They thought death threat The only one that knew what he was talking about was Tony Beldez from then Fox New Channel Loving he laughed and to this day, every time

Tony sees me here. Do you think that do you guys think that it's it's possible that they are serial killers are born this way, or do you think it's always childhood. I have no idea, what's a kid some else I born, nurture or learned. I have no idea. I have normal. Oh yeah, sorry, this is an inferiority that they suffer that that triggers them to go and do things that garner either attention or respect or with

women that they probably could have never maybe had. I mean, then the b t K killer was trying to be like a police officer and something that he he was, you know, really strange and just didn't pass the test. And then he became like a guy that went around the neighborhood to let you know that you're your your grasp was so higher, you had to fix this wall.

He just became one of those guys that that becomes a nuisance really to say, what did that guy say, goes, I says, I can't leave my trash cans out there? And he became that guy. And part of that being looked down or being laughed at, or being ridicule for what the job he had and he had no power in that job, but he could, you know, in that area, like kick over somebody's house and be in there waiting with that a limit of surprise. He waited in the closets and stuff like that. So when you pop out,

I mean you're talking about being larger than life. It doesn't matter what size you are, you pop out of somebody's closet, like this girl was on a date and her boyfriend had left and she was changing and he popped out of the closet. That's I guess that rush that those guys get that has to be something for them that they that they go off. Gil, that's right, that's right. Stuff would scare me, you know, just I listen to so many cops of that. I'll let him

come to my house. I'll kill him. I'll do this. Once you have that element of surprise, it's scared to be teas is. You'd make anybody shift in their pants, Gil. Gil was walking he thought he heard a noise. You could tell him in the middle of the night. Yes, uh, July seven, three thirty in the morning. I woke up and I was by myself my family at this time, and moved out with my My wife had moved out with my children, and I couldn't sleep. I was having nightmares,

and subconsciously I felt somebody was in my house. I thought he was here, and so I got out of bed and I was profusely sweating. I was scared. My stomach was in knots. I felt like I was gonna vomit. I grabbed my gun and I literally walked around the inside of my house, checking my house, clearing my house as if it was there was a burglar inside. And I couldn't call the cops because I lived in sheriff's

jurisdiction where I work. And I said, if I call the cops, they come down here and they're gonna say I'm crazy, and and maybe I was, you know, but I was having nightmares and I'm sick. I went and I got back in bed, and I said, what the hell is he doing right now? And good homicide cop that I was just like nurses when something goes on, first thing you do is you look at your watch, see what time it is. You can document it. I looked at the clock. It was three thirty in the morning,

and I'm saying, God, damn it, what's he doing. It's killing me. And then I got a phone call from another deputy that was working our crime crime lab. She had been on some of the cases. She's a dear friend of mine. I got a call from my office and call her up. I called her up and she said, Gil, you better come down here. I think the lady right across free from me she's just been raped and I

think it's part of what you're working on. That case turned out to be Sophie Dickman, one of our surviving victims, and at three, she says, at three thirty in the morning, he was sodomizing her, plot sodomizing her, and her only fear was that he would kill her because he was embarrassed because he couldn't maintain an direction. And she was working. She used to work. She was a nurse for at that that time General Hospital, and that at that time

she was working the psychiatric work. She was very calm, she was very tough. Wow, wow, sorry. Do you think that this case, like when you talk about bringing it home, do you think that this case hit you harder than any of the others. This case had me on the brink of going nuts or I told my partner, uh Salerno on the September, we had a dinner celebrating, Uh, and I apologize. Uh, there's some Mexican restaurant. Uh. The

owner of bill Cello's gave gave the task force. My partner's wife used to be a bookkeeper for him, and he had the task force down his restaurant and gave us a nice dinner. And on the way down there, I told my partner, you know, you had me for about two more weeks before I just went completely bad ship. I was getting stressed out, I was getting short with everybody. I was getting short with my wife. Uh. When I did see her and she finally moved out with the kids.

The day of the day he was arrested, I affectionately called her sister Mary Clarence, because she's the religious She's the nice one, and I'm the devil. I'm the asshole in the family. And Uh. I called her up and I said, he's in custody, we've got him. It's over. And she said, what do you mean it's over? Why isn't he dead? Uh? And then that night that day, my cousin had got married and my kids had something to do with it. I didn't know what was going on. Oh, there.

They were doing something with a wedding, and so I went. I said, I'll just go to the Hilton. I'll be there sometime tonight. Get us a room, and we'll just spend the night there. I walked in and people were saying I could hear him saying, Oh, that's him, that's him, that's him meaning me. And I was just thoroughly exhausted and I wasn't feeling good. I went up and told my cousin, uh, congratulations. When up to the bar, got

me a drink. Somebody bought me a drink. The bartender said, your money is no good here if you don't have a sponsor of the bar sponsors you. And I just told my wife, you know what, I just want to go to bed tonight because it's night. I don't wanna take any way, but I want to go to bid. I'm tired. And so I was not. I was not good. It was like the game's over, super Bowl time is here. We made it to the playoffs thoroughly drained, and I was about I didn't how much and much gas left

in the tank. My captain was saying. At that time, we were working six eighteen hours a day, seven days a week and you use a ballbuster. Okay, and we're back to real time crime and we have with us George Lopez and Guil Courio. Hey, guys, so let's just head right back into the conversation. So your partner, Frank was on the cover of the l A Times and said that he started to fear for his safety and

his family. And I mean, did you feel that same sort of terrified feeling that he would come for your family? I understand this. Frank is older and wiser than Gil Courio is Frank. You know, Uh, I really didn't have My whole focus was on capturing the killer. My documentary dropped. My wife and I stood up and we've been binge watched it and m killer Russell, the director captured some

stuff that was really important to me. I cried watching the documentary, and George will tell you all that ain't shit. He cries all the time anyway. But I cried and I laughed, and as soon as it was over, the first thing I did was apologized to my wife, as I I didn't realize, I asked her for forgiveness because during the case, it's kind of like, okay, here it

is you're in charge, meaning my wife. She was in charge of the house and the kids, and I didn't want to hear about any problems going on over here because my focus was captured the bad guy, because the bad guy could kill my wife, for kids or anybody else. So my total focus was there, and I didn't have enough time to spend about worry about anybody else. That's all I did. So I apologized because I never thought of the fear factor that she was going through, so

I didn't think of anything else. Frank Wiser longer, you know, he thought of everything I didn't. Uh The week before his arrest, when he hit down a mission vehicle, I came home and I found footprints around my house and they weren't the via, but they would looked like they could have been the studio, and they shouldn't have been where they were. He didn't get in, he didn't go to my back, but he was around concrete up where it shouldn't have been. So we had some cops now

sitting on my house. But that was sitting on there for me because my family was gone. So I wasn't concerned about my family. Uh. I told my mom, you know, shut the windows and my mom just says why, And I couldn't and I couldn't speak. I couldn't tell anybody about what was really going on, how bad it really was, so as not to create panic and fear. Mhm, How did you end up knowing that it was one guy? I I feel like for a while most people thought

it was too correct. A lot of people thought it was more than one person going around, a couple of serial killers working in the same area, a couple of killers they didn't know they were related. I owe everything that I put my heart and soul in the case, but owe everything to a guy named Dr Robert Morneau, who taught me things that he in his words, I can hear him today. Any reasonable and prudent sex crimes

investigator would notice that nobody else would. And so there were things that kept coming out in the case that I could see, this is a sex crime. When you have a sex crime, you had a shoe print, you had people given you, uh physical descriptions of the suspect that all seemed to match up. I'm saying, it's one guy. It's one guy. It's one guy. The problem is, and I can understand why nobody would believe me. Nobody in criminal history had ever been documented doing what this guy did.

I mean, little girls, little boys, old women, younger women. It didn't make a difference. Why do you think he lets some of the younger children live the acquiesced his command. If anybody, if you acquis, you lived. If you didn't even put up a fight and didn't follow his prorections, you died. He killed one girl. We found out in two thousand and ten he killed a girl uh and five as well up in San Francisco. And they had made him on DNA because back then when we were

working in case they didn't have DNA. They made him on a DNA case up there, and she was I want to say she was ten years old. But she put up a fight. And that's the only uh child that he killed. Right, So the purchase of guns was way up in California. People were scared. People were terrified. He was gouging out eyes of the victim. He was using old torture devices, thumb cuffs, he was using bullets

that aren't even being made anymore. I mean, why do you think he was so gruesome and using these older tactics, or do you I mean, why would someone do that. Where would they even get the idea to use thumb cuffs when he first started using we found the thumb cuffs, and I the first thing I said was from surviving victims. He's using point shoulder shooting, which means he's got his hands in front of him, just you know, stick your hands out like that at point. That's taught in military.

It's taught law enforcement thumb cuffs. Who were using Asia, So I'm looking at somebody that maybe perhaps had been in Vietnam and in Asia or they or they they did use thumb cuffs, and gun sales went up. A very good friend of George is now a friend of mine. He's still afraid momos buying guns to protect themselves. So people, some people have a fascination with guns, some people don't. Personally, I never did have a fascination with guns. And it was a tool, just like a hammer to a carpenter.

That's all it was. Was tooled to me and I ask you a question. So we talked about, you know, some of the reasons you keep stuff close to the vest. Now, George, who is obviously one of the funniest people there is and confined humor in anything when he was telling the story about the Secret Service, you could tell correct me if I'm wrong. George in your face you were like, oh, this is not now, we're not joking around, Like this

is serious ship. I'm not gonna make a joke. What is it with people that confess to doing these murders that have nothing to do with it? Like, what's it? Why? Why does that happen? And obviously obviously it puts another layer into your job because now you've got to keep some stuff away, you know, close to the vest. And if they admit to it but don't know that fact, then you know it's not them. Why did they do that?

You have to watch people. We had at least five people come forward to confess to being the night starter, you know, and and all five of them we're not playing with a full seabag, you know. They were missing something upstairs, but they wanted the attention for whatever. About the guy that had the magazines and he had like women's clothes in there. He seemed like that was the guy right at first, because he just we thought he was the guy. We we thought he was a guy.

There was a gentleman that we put a surveillance team on. We followed him for a couple of days. We did a search warrn on his house and he had we we found magazines, you know, back in the old days. People use computers now, but he had sears, uh advertising women in brawls and panties and stuff that you'd see in magazine back then. He had him cut out all over the place, women's underwear slices, real underwear slices in

the crotch area. Now, I just had to laugh in the beginning everything that I've said about George, I'll see, that's something that never went public. And that's something that I've just told George about. And George remembers his stuff about the guy that we followed around and the cut patties.

I wonder how many cut patties you have in your house, George. Well, I can tell you if they're gonna be cut patties, they're gonna be the owner of that dog that's been down there barking for seven years in the row, allegedly I'm waiting for Cadbury to send in a shipment of chocolate. And and you said he is one of the George one of the funniest men. And I beg to differ with you. I I just went to watch him at the Microsoft and his stand up special on Saturday. He

is the funniest, the funniest. I'm just able to make it out there. We gained my composure and he's the funniest man. He's the he's man to tell it like you have. You know, I don't put years into something that just becomes air or the minute you say it,

after you say it. But you know, I think I think being an only child in that time, and you know, in the Mexican culture, you know, there's like these these magazines the Allottama, which is the Alarm, and there's these magazines that they would show crashes in Mexico when they show all of it, and they sold them at at at liquor stores and stuff like that, and my grandparents would buy them and there was a lot of my how was yellowing and and then you would go in

there and see this stuff and you're like, at that time, the only place you could see that was like in a magazine like that and disturbing images. And I think that that in in part of growing up. I think, you know, like you know, with kids, everything, you know, I have a daughter that five, and I would I would say, you know, when the kids see something, they can't unsee it, you know, so you know where I saw things that I knew I shouldn't have seen that.

You want to make sure that your children don't see things that they'll never be able to unsee. Well, that's interesting because he lived with his older cousin who had been in Vietnam, and maybe that's where he thought of using thumb cuffs because he used to be shown photos and he killed people brutally in Vietnam. I mean. The other thing is that he had he was beaten, He had multiple head injuries to the point where he was

having seizures. And I'm not trying to say, do you think he had brain damage and that is the reason that he lacked empathy? But maybe I am saying that. I'm not sure what I'm saying. Um Okay, Well, I'm not trying to link brain damage to Satanism, but I am curious to know how he went from you know, all these violent situations and seeing disturbing murders and violence as and rape as a child. Um. And and he witnessed his cousin shooting his own wife and murdering her.

And then he went from being a scared young man to being a cold calculated killer almost immediately. And then took an interest in Satanism and made his victims swear to Satan, swear their love of Satan. You know, they'd say like, oh my god, ball and he would he would say, no, swear to Satan. He as a kid, he was beating his He tells his dad used to beat him, eat him with a hose. In order to get away from his dad, used to go sleep in the bulk that cemetery and started Jesus Christ and no

one knows he is comfortable, beastful there. And he didn't get into Satanism until he came out to l A and doing dope was they were into Satanism. And so that's when he got into Satanism out here. And what happened once he got into Satanism he realized that the booty and I don't mean you're gluty his Maximus, but the stuff he was stealing, all of his uh stolen property was getting good and so and that's when he started killing, killing because people would resist him. So he

had the booty was going good. He really got into Satanism. And but when you stop think about it, because people ask me, weren't you afraid to go in there and talk to him? And no, not at all, because he was just another human and Satanism is just another form of religion. You know, Ted Bundy. People don't realize Ted Bundy was a Christian, but they don't say, oh, Ted Bundy's a Christian. But if you had to put satan you have been studying Satanism, you'd have made him that

much uglier. And that's what the fear factor for Richard was. He's into Satanism and he's killing all these people. He's the devil. So that's another reason people were so fearful of him. Do you think if you would have talked to him in a different circumstance that you would have known he was a serial killer by the way that he carried on conversation. No, not at all, not at all. But he wasn't clean, you know, he smelled right bad team.

What they were smell smelling was the fact just imagine a locker room at a high school, a football baseball team. They sweat in their practice gear and they put it in the locker and it stinks and by the end of the wink, you know, by the end of the week, stinks to high heaven. He was using what we call the kill kids, so the clothes that he'd used to

go out and killing. When they were done, he put him in a bag and put him in a locker there at the Grayound bus depot, so just smell they cool, So they were right, you know, So he didn't smell personally. And probably the biggest question I get asked on Instagram did he really smelled like a goat? Did he have a breath of a goat? And never smelled it because by the time we got to him, we had all

his clothes off him and never did get that smelling. Well, this episode of the podcast sponsored by Greyhound Bus Stations but l advertising. But you know that guy was He was able to get off the Greyhound in l a look into the lobby of where the people are waiting, identify police officers, and back up and go out where the busses are. Like he he would have walked through that lobby of that bus people in downtown LA would

have been arrested, but he could. He noticed police right away and then he he didn't going back down and then he had was able to get away that at that time. I think he got caught later. But so interesting that he ended up getting caught by a mob of angry civilians. Started with an angry husband. I mean he turned to car jack his wife. The guy at that time, and he's still a good Mexicans and bad Mexicans. Good Mexicans all had a two by four baseball bat

or pipe nearby. The batman's all had guns. And it was the good ones that caught him. I mean he hit the guy in the head with a pipe, gave him a couple of blows of the head. Richard at this time had been running uh over the ten foot sound walls of the five freeway, so across the freeway ran a good uh mile and a half two miles in a run. And so he's tired. They hit him. There was no more fight left in him, was it?

He just kind of his mistake was to say get out of the car, bitch, And you call a Mexican lady or in a woman a bitch, and the ouzens around the store for you man hit him with the house. They picked up everybody spence what what was loose? So they put they put up that big like that. Uh that's metal rod that holes in the fence, and they just put it up and just dropped it on his head.

Matter of fact, just about three weeks ago I got word I was asked to attend, and I did attend the funeral of one of the participants in his arrest about three weeks ago, a month ago. With the funeral, Well, so do you think that it's fair. I don't even know if that's the right word. That he died of lymphoma, and that he was never executed. Oh, I don't care, So I put him away. He's in there. I was told years ago by by a warden, after seven years of being in death row, you go bad ship anyway.

So I really don't care how he died. I just know that there's no appeals that I have to go back to court on. It's over with. It's a done deal. And there were people that were upset that he he only did twenty years and that, and that you didn't spend the rest of his life in prison. But like you know, Gill said, you don't, you know, it's all been kind of glamorized, you know, death throw and you know, uh, like Scott Peterson and you know those guys over there,

um that it. It's appealing when it's shown on you know Everything A and he's got a crime channel and all that. So it's a bit I wasn't appealing, but it's not what it's really like to be in there twenty three hours a day in confinement and you do go, you do lose your mind in there. It makes sense. Wow. Do you think that the victims of the families feel like there was an injustice over the fact that he was not executed immediately. I haven't talked to the family

members at all, with the exception of one. Uh, the young girl that was six years old in the documentary. She was six years old at the time. She's now about forty two. We've become friends. Uh. We don't talk about the case, and I've never wanted to talk. I've never wanted to follow up on any of the children that were kidnapped. I never wanted to follow up because it breaks my heart if they ended up psychologically broken.

So I never wanted to follow up. And even when they did the documentary, I told them, I said, I'll give you everything I have, or I'll talk you about anything. You want to, but don't ask me to give you information on the surviving victims. I would never do it because I don't want to hear that there traumatized still. Sachina Aboa, one of the victims was a CI Muslim. She was also a medical doctor and her husband was killed.

She was sexually assaulted, and she was shocked because she went into uh seclusion for forty days and forty nights, which is part of her religion, and she came out and she couldn't believe that he was still alive because back in her country, he'd have been dead already. Mm hmm. Okay. Also, I do have a fascination with the Cecil hotel, and they were rumors that he was living there at some point. Are those rumors true? He stood at the Cecil, he stood at skin Road, dives and dumps all around the

area with her. What is it about that hotel that just I mean, it just calls to murderers. I don't know. They say the same thing about my house because Alexandria to UH. That's another one. But I think that you know, when you when you cater to uh maybe like transience and people just going through town, that a lot of times. You know, there's people that died in the rooms. There's people that have murdered people in there. And I think that energy that stays in that in that in that room.

I mean when you when somebody is taken before their time. You know, we're big into into hearing things and let and lower about you know, uh, you know images that we see. But I think that that energy of those people stay in that hotel. And if you look up to see so hotel and you look up, like you know, images, you'll see people that have been captured on the pictures just kind of hanging out of a window and things like that. And and it's all true. All that energy

is bad energy. And you know that place uh just catered to that. You know, um that you can get a room there for nine dollars and nobody really cared what you did in that room. I'll do it. The lab the girl that they found in the water tank and they can't figure out how she would have gotten in the water tank and been able to pull the cover down. I mean, that's that's a big thing too. I Mean, you know that water was bad and people

were using the water. It's just you know, kind of amazing that, you know, hotel so bad that that water would be putrid, and everybody's like, you know, don't, don't take a shower. But you know, she looked up online where to stay cheap and the pictures of it look like it's okay, I mean's grand, you know, for for the hotel. But it does. It does come, you know those I wouldn't stay downtown. It does come with a

lot of that bad energy. Yeah, the lobby is gorgeous. Yeah, but you get a room for nine bucks, You're not gonna be like complain about the water, Like this is what I get for nine dollar room. It's a side water for free down there. You know that I believe a Lisa Lamb got taken by the elevator game. But that's a story for a different day that I get. Really she also still thinks Brian Laundry is alive and he just left his teeth. The new news about Brian

Laundry really pushed over the edge. Well, you know, I get up at three three thirty sometimes in the morning to maybe using benthroom, and I attempted to do the Bloody Mary, the three Bloody Marys. I can only get one out, like should I do it? Letty Mary? Oh? I bet her not. The the other night, at three in the morning, I was meditating, I don't know what's wrong with me, and all of a sudden, all of my lights are out. I'm in bed, my laptop in

the other room. Every single tab that was open on my computer started playing at the same time, and I was just like, here we go. I guess at the beginning of you know, like this is it, this is my last I was like, should I live tweet my murder? Like I was honestly, I was like, should I go live on Instagram? Just let people, you know, say goodbye? I don't know what's happening. And that's astro projection. You projected your energy into the electronics of the computer, and

that was your energy doing that. WHOA wait, So are you trying to say I'm like super powerful or something. You're focusing your energy somewhere and you're meditating or whatever, and it would go to something with power, you know, something with projection. I can catch a serial killer, but astro projection would take my ass out of the house. OK. Just so we're clear, he says. Astro projection is something that a lot of people can do. It's this is not you. I don't want to hear bragging rights next

week on the pod about your astro production. Well, not to brag, but I did speak to a psychic at eight am last Thursday, which is the earliest I've ever been awake, So I recorded the whole session just to make sure i'd remember it. And she said that my grand father likes to turn on lights and electricity to let people know he's around. So I actually thought it was him, but now that I know it's me, Um, thank you, it could be a co h, thank you. But okay, this is also I guess I have a

couple we have a final, final couple of questions. But you know, there are a lot of psychics who volunteered to help find deceased and anyone related to crimes. Do you believe that these are real psychics? Do you believe that they've this is all I mean? Do you believe this is real? Let George answer that, Um, I believe that their psychics. I'm not sure if the ones helping the police are the are the right ones. I think maybe sometimes they're just almost like people that say they've

committed the crime. You know, they want the attention of it. But um, there are some some reputable psychics, some very valuable psychics, uh, and psychics, um, but it depends you have to have a willing mind. I do believe in all of and all of that myself. And even in this house, there's been things that have happened in this house since I've moved in that I have been very very unusual, super natural in a sense. And uh, I had somebody coming clean the house, UH would take a

lot of stuff up. But this house is from the twenties, and you know, apparently that some kids lived here and they on the other side of the house. Maybe we're punished by staying up walking closet and in the attic. That's what the woman said. But but you know, I believe in that. I believe there's an energy around us and people that have gone but that still are guiding people through life. And so George, when are we moving in about a year? Depending on this dog. This dog? Okay,

So so we do have to wrap for today. Unfortunately, we feel like we could ask you a million more questions, but either of you have any final thoughts about life. Comedy Prime The Night Stalker left world left with you crying, you look like ship. I think people talk themselves out of good things and bad things in life. And you know, as time goes by, you can only be in one place at one time. Everything becomes a memory, with a

good memory of bad memory. But I think we've all spent a lot of time either talking ourselves out of doing things that uh are not in our comfort zone. But in the end, when you look back, you only get a certain amount of time and you can't get any back. So to live, to live more open and more. I wouldn't say aggressive, but live outside of your comfort

zone more because in the end it's the end. Much according to the ghosts in George's house, I just want to go see Chicago the band and I would listen to them to Junior had they better around fifty five years Yeah, so who's more haunted than that band? I think I know? All right, Well, George Gil thank you so much for coming on the podcast today. We love you guys. Oh my god, I thought that was a ghost in the background, but it was just another person.

Oh my god, And I was like, George, he's behind you. Okay, George, I gotta tell you real quick. We have a mutual friend Dicky Egan. He said to say hello, and he said, you're the only reason he's gonna listen to this my podcast. We met the Celtics and the Lakers and he lost it. He had to go buy a a laking your hat, and the look on his face, I've never seen it. You could cover him in shit. He wouldn't have that same look at his face. You're more or less to

have to wear that hat. Oh my gosh. All right, well, this has been another episode of Real Time Crime. George gil Where can we find you on the internet or is there anything that you want to promote or let people know about. I'm just at real Gil careel not mean, Oh my god, high podcast. It's hilarious and an informative genius. I love you guys so much. This has been an amazing episode. I've been Leo Lamar sometimes Dmitri, who's more like often times Dmitri these days, and of course we

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