Don't Bury the Lead(s)

I'm like, is someone else? It's because every time I'm so shocked at like your overall voice change when you do the entrance, fully ready to answer because I'm completely and but also right now I'm currently trying to figure out because you have a different background. If you're at a dude's house or where are you? That would be pretty sweet if I brought my microphone to a dude's house, because that would mean that we were hilarious, hilarious. The real crime is that I did not hook up with

anyone last night. I'm at an Airbnb in Miami, and I would say this is the Hodelsis of Miami. I just want to make sure no one heard me. Um is very scary here. I'm about to screen share with everyone and hopefully they'll be able to show you this clip. Um, it is the truly disturbing what I have found here. Oh, sharing my screen is this very intimate moment for everyone. I feel frightened. What if your text messages come up? Look at all that other stuff? Leave me alone? You guys,

this is literally outside my airbnb. This is this is the hallway. Are the twins from the Shining Gunna pop up along and play the elevator game? Is there an elevator? Do you just take? There's a the old staircase. I've already thought about this a million times. You know there's a dumb waiter. They just shoved me in and then hold on. Before we go any further, give us the share your location or something, because this doesn't look like it's gonna end well, and we want to know. We

want to track you better. Guys, You're gonna be real excited because I'm about to transition better than we were able to track Brian Loundry and hide up. Okay, if you're gonna get killed, Leah, can you get killed on where there's already a blood stain on the carpet there, so we don't have to don't have to clean two places. I'm you know they're not going Yeah, they're gonna leave my blood there, but I will put it on top of another person's blood so that they can confuse the

two crimes together and then put an innocent person in jail. Well, look, you know, just like the justice system, just like weaving in all of our hot topics. You also thank you to no One for bringing up my spray tan. We already saw it on the ram. Do you need double I hearted it um. I archived that photo because it was a little too sexy. And at the sunscreen sponsor, I think did already look at the photo that's number one,

number two, Dimitria. We actually look like twins right now, don't get met and I look like we look like twins. We're both in Elizabeth Holmes later Turtle next to honor Her. I find it a little bit of setting that you guys didn't let me know that I was supposed to wear the turtleneck. Granted, not that I would because I can't because it's not flattering from my next the fact that you said next plural, and ever since all these well, because we are going to be talking about the Kim

Kardashian robbery, ever since all have been going on. My husband installed a million more security cameras into our house. And I've got to tell you, there's nothing more upsetting than seeing yourself walk outside of your front door and not for the photo, and then have the photos sent to you. I'm like, shouldn't there be something that knows that it's me, so doesn't send me and my husband the photo every day? Yesterday I honestly had sixty four next and I'm like, I can't even explain to you

the picture. I if I could show it to you, I would, And then if only there was a way to show someone a picture actually you know what I can. But we all know that the camera ads ten pounds. It's not guys, it's not it's not about weight, guys. It's about the amount of necks that I had in this photo. And you know, it's just let's see what we can do. I don't want to neck teddy. Guys, y'all are laughing until this photo gets sent to your husband and you're like trying to keep it. Second, oh

my god, well first I have to find a husband. Yes, things can be worse dead, Thanks, okay, thank you, Okay, Oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, that photo. Okay, first, of all, hilarious. Second of all, it looks like a version of you from like like there's this we you're like it looks like a photo from the past. Well, it's a photo from the present. And it was yesterday and then today another photo was taken and my hair is covering my next and my husband goes, I saw

you covered your next up today. What is gonna have to send it to us? But guys, I know you know it's real. If my husband can't love me and all my next, he doesn't deserve me yet. If if you can't handle me in my tent next, you don't deserve me at my one neck, don't get me at any next. If you don't you feel like you're writing your vows right now. This is fantastic. I mean this, this is love. Okay, guys, I'm over talking about Brian Laundry, but we do have to cover the update. He was

only he was only useful to us alive. I thought you were gonna say you're over talking about me because I was ready to keep going. I know you were, but I'm over both, so we have to continue on through the actual episode. Brian Laundry died by suicide from a gunshot wound to ahead. An attorney from Brian Loundry family told CNN Tuesday, Christ and ROBERTA. Laundry have been informed that the cause of death was a gunshot wound. Okay, also shocker, the Laundries release their guns and one's missing.

We think that Brian's parents should be investigated and possibly charged for this because it really seems to me like they've been very silent. They went on a trip with him, they knew his mental space, like allegedly, this seems like of course they knew what was going to happen. Does a bear ship in the woods. I could have done without that. I already under the weather. I'm sorry. All I'm saying is, yes, we've been saying this from day one. They need they need to this. They've been in on

this the whole time. I think it's pretty clear they covered up his escape somehow, they helped him escape somehow. The fact that there was surveillance and they somehow missed him slipping out and can confused him with his mom outside these I just don't buy any of this. I don't buy a single word people have said. Do you think the fact that he killed himself proves that he's guilty, and no, every single move he and his family did

proves that he was guilty in my opinion. Also, I love how they're like, oh, now we'll never know how Gabby died. No, we know, what do you mean? Of course we know, we don't we haven't heard from his mouth, which I think is what everybody was hoping he was going to have this like big revelation. But obviously this was not a person that had any control like empathy, love, kindness about who he was and his relationship with Gabby.

And at the end of the day, once he realized he couldn't get away with it, I would assume that means that's why he took his life. I think so too, and I think he did it so that he could go down without the title of official murderer. Now it's just quote unquote unsolved, but I think we know what happened. I mean, I'm sorry, but unless they can prove that another person strangled Gabby, like I just, I just refused to believe it was anyone else, especially with their physical

altercations and and how long was the gun missing? Because they still haven't solved the murder of the other two women in Moab and they were shot to death by gun. I know there's so many How long was the gun missing? Did they have it the whole trip? Why are they not connecting the two cases? And if they say they know that the two cases aren't connected, how do they know that two cases aren't connected? And why won't they release information? What if they said, listen, mom, dad laundry,

you're not heap of ship. We're gonna put you. You know, you could go to jail, tell us everything you know, and that will lessen your sentence. Possibly they'll give it for that. I think berd Now I was gonna say not with that lawyer, he's not going to give it, I mean, any sound advice. At this point, none of this has made sense from the jump, and speaking of not telling us anything and leaving us in the dark, can I segue into Heidi Plank? You took my segue?

You know that's my favorite thing. Don't plenty of segway to go around? Oh my god, we didn't introduce Dmitri. S sometimes Dmitri And this is how it should always be. Just to be clear, I'm always Dmitri, but I'm always sometimes allowed to speak. Yeah, but we like to call you sometimes, Dmitri. I appreciate that. I have to say last night I spent a lot of hours trying to understand what happened to Heidi Pluck. I really for a little bit of backstory. We talked about this case a

couple of weeks ago. She left abruptly from one of her sons football game or sporting event games, and she looked agitated. Her ex husband said she looked agitated. She was dating somebody, but that person was out of town. And they randomly found her dog in an apartment building in downtown Los Angeles, and then the that apartment building would not let them originally do a search for her, and the boyfriend thought that she ghosted him because of

an argument they had, which is really what happened. She's missing and now they just had to They're searching a landfill north of Los Angeles where they believe her remains to be. Then I feel like there's some information missing. She disappeared, they found her dog, they wouldn't let him in the building, and now we're searching a landfill somewhere else.

So this has been over two weeks. I have Google Old literally every day, and there was one video of her walking her dog that they released, but they did not release any tapes from the apartment complex. They didn't release anything, Okay, And I think, can I just make a weird jump in a conclusion here, I think that the police are terrified of every case becoming like a Gabby Potito case and the Internet hopping on their cases and not letting them do their jobs, or people getting

taken down for not doing not performing well. Like, think about how much we think that the police completely botched the Gabby Potito Brandon laundry case. Yeah, but this is a completely different, all right location. I would understand this is all the same police department, but this is a completely different area. Left us out for so long, and it seems kind of odd that they would do that. They didn't tell us any information, and the l A p D said in a statement that it appears that

Plank died. It appears that she died and an apartment building in downtown l A in a quote unquote incident, and forensic evidence found at that building led to a landfill search. I'm sorry if she's in a landfill. It wasn't an incident. That's a murder. It is a murder. What are they saying by incident? Like where my head went by that phrasing was like maybe there was some sort of domestic type abuse situation, like maybe she was having a relationship with somebody in that part. I mean,

this is all. I've completely made this up. I have absolutely no idea. I'm thinking that some relationship she was having with somebody in this apartment building and things went I hear that financial fraud and that. But here's where it's confusing to me. The man who she worked for, who she was having the issues with, who was getting in trouble for financial fraud, he was caught leaving like donuts or something at her doorstep after she's already been missing.

So either that's him just covering his basis and trying to look innocent, or they had that maybe they were having a relationship allegedly. Who knows why they were in that apartment building. Maybe that's where they were shedding, shredding all the files. We don't know. But the point is they're not giving us any information. And there is a little boy that has no idea what happened to his mother. I hear you, But if it was an accident and

someone didn't mean to murder her. They're not going to go then dump her body in the landfill, right, But is an incident different than accident? But to me, incident also downplays it. I'm just like, it's a murder. She was murdered. She may not have been murdered at the apartment building, is what they're saying. The incident then caused the murder later at the landfill in the car. Who knows, but maybe maybe the tune in next week for Leah and Teddy get into a semantics battle, and I think

that's that's happening this week. I think we're going, oh, um, okay, you're right. Either way, we don't know. But I am upset that her son has no additional information and now that it's just sad. I would have also liked to have known what the text messages were that she received that made her just abruptly leave. I think that when they find her body, they will probably disclose more information. Yeah, when they find her body and or what they find more details on how this happened. But I want to

know who lives in that apartment building. I want to know why and why is that apartment building so protected? You know, like, why were they? We can go down all the different rabbits know, but I'm like, it's a murder case. You're not going to let the police in to check the tapes? Wow, maybe they knew something. I just also would like to report a crime that just occurred.

I received a text message from a man I went on a date with over two months ago, who never took me on a second date and then just said just saying, hey, hope you're well lady, Are you kidding me? At eleven oh one am that kind of text message? What are you doing? I have zero interest in following up on that. And also I just just a little advice to everyone. We know when you've gone through a breakup with someone else, So the circle back is just

like it's not really a compliment. And if you are going to circle back, hold yourself accountable and say like, hey, listen, I screwed up by not reaching out to you after our first date. I've been thinking about you and I actually would like to take you out on a date again. Would you be interested, like being like, have some balls? Don't just half acid like that. Let's call this to what this is. Somebody was scrolling through Instagram and saw your down because I think this is why I took

it down. This is the real crime. I think that I get a lot of hate when I post anything that's sexy on my page because it's normally just comedy and turtlenecks, and people have a hard time comprehending it. And then I just get a lot of dams from dudes being like, oh I would, I would, I'd give whatever, you know, just a whole bunch of dude stuff sliding it in. And I'm like, you know, I don't really want this kind of attention, but don't I. But I can tell you this. I have a following of it's

a six percent men on my Instagram. They're not They're not sliding into my d M. So, no matter how sexual the photos are, just saying, well, you're married, I get it, but I just you know, you're in a loving relationship. What is that? Like, Teddy, we'll get that in. We're gonna have to talk about that. So public service. If you're going to slide into them, compliment her turtlenexska, if you're gonna slide into sight, even though she's asked us five times already since we started the pod today.

If we noticed her spray just thought you would notice it's I honestly think me spray tanning is the equivalent of you going brunett. I know that being said, I probably I might go back blond soon. Thank you. We'll talk about this later after the break. Okay, Bye, I mean not by just buy it for right now see in a second. Bye for now. All right, guys, we're back your time. Crime you can talk about Kevin Strickland. This is so heartbreaking to me. Leah, you your voice

and give us the rundown. Kevin Strickland comes home after forty three years behind bars for a crime he didn't commit. I'm a little sick. I'm sorry if it was a weird um, I'm it's okay, Okay, I'm gonna keep going. Okay, just so everyone is clear, because there are some people who might not know about the case. I'm just gonna continue on here. Cynthia Douglas didn't recognize the man holding the shotgun the night her boyfriend and best friend were murdered.

It was around seven thirty pm on a Tuesday evening when four men entered Larry Ingram's bungalow in Kansas City, Missouri, where Douglas was hanging out with Ingram, her best friend Sherry Black, and her boyfriend Jack Walker. Douglas was the only one to survive what would later be described as an execution style attack. She told police she recognized two of the assailants right away, Vincent Bell and kilm Atkins,

but the other two were a mystery. One was wearing something like a sack over his head, the other, the man holding the shotgun, was short with some facial hair. The next day, however, Douglas appears to change her mind. She told the cops she thought the man with the shotgun might be eighteen year old Kevin Strickland, and acquaintance of hers. She figured it out after describing the unknown

assailants to her sister's boyfriend. You know, he told her the shirt one sounded like it could be Strickland, who lived two houses down from Bell, so to summarize, and it wasn't until she actually passed away. And he's now been in prison for, you know, over forty years. That the sorry I'm blanking guys, what is it called that? The uh? Well, but also yeah, no, but it's a fund that that reopened the case. Well, just before we

go there, Incence Project, the Innocence Project. But before we go there, Douglas realized she was wrong after the conviction conviction and tried to get to overturn it, right. She tried for so many years, and no one was able to do it until she actually passed away, and then the Innocence Project started investigating the case. It's it's so crazy to think that someone could say, oh, no, I made a mistake about convicting someone as a murderer and

then have no one believe her. Right, they believe her for the first part, and she says I made a mistake, like well, we don't need to hear about that. Then they don't want to hear about anymore because they don't want to have to do the work of, you know, reinvestigating figuring out who did it. But I mean not

that this makes up for anything. But even though he was released and given nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing from the state, he would receive one point four million from a go fund me set up by the Missouri Innocence Project. And you made an article where he's like so excited to like go and buy a tooth, but like little small things and and started his life to his life because I mean, he went into eighteen years old for a crime he did not commit. It's insane. To me.

First of all, one point four million is not enough. I'm just gonna go out there and say that if you've been in jail for forty three years for a murder you didn't commit, one point four million is abs I mean, money can't buy time, but it does help. But I do think that that's not enough. A B. What I thought was interesting was the go fund me was mostly small donations, which means it was a lot of people who couldn't afford a lot but cared, and and that I think is really unique and interesting, and

I mean I feel so bad for him. I mean. The other reason is that a lot of states give money for wrongful conviction. However, Missouri only gives money to people exonerated by DNA evidence, and since there was no DNA in his case, I guess it was a technicality, but there was any to convict either, which they now

it's just so fresh training because it's a technicality. That but more than I mean, it is enough in the fact that more than thousand people donate it, So that is like incredible that so many beautiful but heartbreaking that because of a technicality wasn't able to be more from the state. I wonder if there'll be an ongoing fund for him. There should be, There should be, I mean, there should be a lot of There should be a lot of things for the for him. But I mean,

I think it's interesting. This is It's like, how do you how do we think this could be prevented in the future. I mean, I think there has to be, uh, somebody that because after something terrible happens to your best friend and your boyfriend, you have to understand that you are going through extreme trauma and grief and heartbreak and

all of these additional things. And if you're only getting interrogated and there isn't some sort of therapy and real conversations had about the grief, it's heart It's easy to make a decision that's incorrect. Like I think, people so badly when something terrible happens, so badly want an answer that they're going to give the wrong answer just to hope for peace. But then they realized that peace isn't coming because now they've made it worse. That's what happened

in the Amanda Knox case too. I mean they were trying to force conclusions and force answers on that case, and so the Italian government just kept trying to make her blame people or give testimonies that weren't real, so that they just had answers. I mean, this happens a lot. This happens a lot, and it's such a shame. I mean, do we think that there should be repercussions for cases like these? Like Who's responsible? I think these are the

cases that need to be really spoken about. So oftentimes we'll talk about not us in general, but like cases are shared so much, but like this one is one that like should be very eye opening to so many people. And to say, wow, if I'm going to say it was somebody, I really need to know, I really need to know in my heart that what I'm saying is correct, because this man lost his entire life over something he didn't do wrong. But on a more positive note, oh,

I feel a teddy. Ahmad Arebrey's mother woke up Thursday with a new very important blessing on Thanks to Giving Day, but there will be an empty chair at her family celebration. So I think that a lot of people have heard about this story and we've all been following it, and um, but all three men that were that killed Ahmed are Very were convicted of murder and he was just on

the jog and then he was cornered and killed. And I I I believe that they're also be standing trial for hate crime as well, and they'll all face life in prison. Yes, and federal hate crimes trial is scheduled for February, so, I mean, I don't they're already scheduled to life in prison. But you know, this has been such a heartbreaking case. I mean, all of them are. But you know, I'm just so glad that justice was received on this case. I mean, nothing can replace a

life lost whatsoever. But I hope that this brings a little bit of peace to his family. I mean, I don't know what else to say about that. Yeah, it's so I mean, it's so unspeakably sad. But I'm relieved that that all three men are going to prison for life. Yeah, I'm taking action. Well, speaking of prison for life, Jesus Christ, you know, I have to do it. Guys. It's like we're moving right through we are. But also speaking of hate crimes, what Jesse Small. I'm gonna say his name wrong, guys.

We can't put this in, but somebody say it correctly for me. Jesse Jesse Yeah, but last okay, take that out. Okay, But speaking of hate crimes, what Jesse Smollett's ended up doing to the l g B t Q community by people now assuming that actual victims are lying about attacks is heartbreaking. And his trial is starting this week. Do you guys want to give like a little I feel

like everybody knows about this case. But okay, So just is an actor on Empire, and its started with him reporting that he received a threatening letter that was sent to the Fox studio where they were filming Empire, that had threatening language and it was laced with a powdery substance which investigators later believed was likely Highland l O

l SO cod So. Then later around two am, maybe like a week later, near his apartment in Chicago, two masked assailants poured a quote unquote unknown chemical substance on him, possibly Bleach, wrapped a rope around his neck and kept yelling at him, Maga country, Maga country, which, for those of you who are unfamiliar, make America great again, which is a president Donald Trump slogan, you have to be living under a rock to not know that. But look, I don't judge. There are a lot of things that

I do that are judge worthy. I actually think, I mean, that's pretty much what this podcast is. Yeah, yeah, I'm judging you if you don't know what Maggi is. Like, I'm gonna be honest, it's like, have you even watched from one episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm? All right? So, so the Chicago police tweeted, I love that we know what people are up to because of Twitter. I mean you do. I mean, we knew what the president was

up to because of Twitter. I almost missed that, Like I kind of missed knowing it finds up too because he doesn't tweet about it. I'm good with. So. So the police tweet that they're seeking two persons of interest and they've got surveillance video of the scene and the alleged attack. Um. Jesse's very emotional about everything and and and I think what's interesting is that he keeps saying,

I have made truthful statements. Oh yeah, I am working with authorities and have been factual and consistent on every level. When have you ever heard someone say I have been telling the truth, like something that happened, and this is the truth, like something that happened. I'm not leaving anything out. There are no lies here. It's like kill prior to him being investigated for lying. Um m hmm. That I think. I think that that was actually uh. I don't know

if the investigation had. I don't know if the investigation had taken a turn yet. But the part that I find so confusing is the why. Well, apparently yeah, it's because he didn't think he was He got enough attention for the letter and it bought there him. So he planned this attack with these two men and they were brothers, and he was paid and they all helped him orchestrate and stage the crime. They bought the rope um the you know, a hardware store, saying he didn't want to

even call the police. They found out that they had paid He had paid these guys, but then he said he had actually paid them because they were training and helping him the nutrition. It was a separate thing. But also the police showed up and he was still in a news essentially with a rope around his neck, and they were taping in a video and He's like, no, no,

don't tape it. Turn the cameras off. And it's interesting because essentially what they found through taxs and messages it was that they felt it was a publicity stunt to promote his career and already very polished. That's what don't get. You're doing well, you're on a success, you want more, go yell at your crime. I think eliciting sympathy helps in some people's minds. I don't know. I mean, this is like when my ex sent me a photo of him in the hospital, like, were you really in the hospital?

Are you just trying to get me to response? Did you just need attention? Did you respond? Yeah, of course. But but I know I'm going to jail um. But I just think, look, if you're this is the problem with this is that it makes people less likely to believe other people who actually are involved in a hate crime. And then I think he would probably get let off a lot easier than what's actually going to happen because he's doubling down on the lie. I have to say,

this feels like a cry for help. If you were orchestrating, it's such a large, like an obvious think about think about how wrong this could go, which it did. Yeah, and you're willing to go to that length to get some sort of attention something is really wrong. And sure because this is happening for real to other people. So now you're drawing all this attention away from and making people got real crime, real real, real, real time. But I think I think that he must be super unhappy.

There are some people who are just not happy with what they have and because of that, it forces them to act out. And this is a severe way of acting out that's so hurtful to many communities. And do you believe, like, if convicted, he should serve the entire sentence. Yeah, I mean he like he's saying this is a home of a bit crime. He's saying this is a racist crime.

He's hurting many communities that are marginalized. And I think that he shouldn't get to just get away with it because why would he just be able to get away with it. Why was it dropped in the first place? Was it dropped? Yeah, the initial charges were dropped. That's interesting, um for false crime? Because yeah, I'm like, I know that he's up for three years in prison, k fine, which to him, I'm sure is literally nothing. Um, it is when you won't work again. Yeah yeah, but for

like a star actor. I mean, aren't you making twenty k week minimum? It's about what we make for this. Right before she first um well, at an emergency hearing in a Cook County courtroom in Illinois, all criminal charges against him were dropped. I don't know how to read. Thank you for doing that. I'm still learning. Yeah, so, I mean that's what's confusing to me is now here we are but the trial started. We're gonna have to touch back on this case as it continues on, after

things play out, after they released more information. But the whole thing is very upsetting because obviously, you know, we don't need to rehash exactly what we just said, but you know where we stand on this. Now. We need to get to Leah's all time favorite person. We cannot not talk about Elizabeth Holmes. Wait, let's take a quick so sorry, we'll take a quick break. But when we come back, we're talking about kim Ka quickly. Uh sorry,

not sorry, bye, and neither is Pete Davidson. Yeah. Hello, we're back, and I'm ready to talk about kim Kino and Teddy if we could check the attitude at the door. Thank you. Fine, go ahead and give the little recap on Kim k But I really want to get to live at home, so you just know we're going there. But we'll just breathe through this one. But I will say, how does Pete Davidson get every girl? Because he's he checks in, he checks, He's probably got a big dinger

like all the things. Big dinger, I think is the answer. I think he's a nice, funny guy like I actually I see his appeal. Yeah, I mean I would I am. I mean obviously, without even having a conversation, I don't even care if he's a bad person. And you you said you're going to grow through this, not blow. I didn't make any promises. Okay. So if you guys remember in Kim Kardashian was robbed during Paris Fashion Week. So twelve people are now being charged in connection to the robbery,

and this has been a five year investigation. Holy smokes. So she was visiting Paris for fashion week in October. Thieves broke into her hotel room and tied her up at gunpoint before locking her in the bathroom. First of all, hot, Second of all, I'm like oh no, they tied me up. Um you guys, can you guys cut that noise out of my head hitting the microphone? I can't. I'm sorry. This just sounds like it's about to turn into the sequel of Ray j Um. I'm going to jail. Okay

in a second. For I was like, you know, okay. So so then essentially what happens is all of her jewelry is stolen. Two diamond Cartier bracelets, a golden diamond Jacob necklace, Lauren Schwartz diamond earrings, a gold rolex, among many other items. Total to be ten million value, ten million big ones. I always ten minimum. Yeah, and that's

just the cash I have on hand. So, she said that she managed to squeeze her hands out of the plastic ties by wriggling her hands so hot, and she said she went to the balcony and screamed for help to break free. Everyone is shaking their heads at me. That's fine. I feel like we're doing subtly. Hey, I feel like the story. You know, we can wrap this up in twenty seconds. It's not kim kay, it's about me.

How would we realized that yet? Anyway? Anyway, uh So, the only thing that was recovered was a diamond and crusted crossed valued at thirty thousand. So pretty sure we're not happy at that being the only item we got back, but I'm sure Kim has insurance. So twelve people are going to be on trial soon for that. And that's that. I just really wanted to talk about how hot I thought that was. I did not think that was hot.

It's frightening. I but also, don't travel with tin K. Post videos where you are it's I mean, not tin K ten million. That's where this is where our financial differences are showing. Me and Pink like, don't travel with tin K, and I'm like, don't travel with ten dollars um. But when you talk about it, you guys, they're both wearing black turtlenecks. Can we please talk about his beard gives the effect of a turtleneck. You may as well be wearing a turtleneck because and Teddy just has ten necks.

I have ten nights leven with a turtle like I can't. I'm actually I'm quite upset with a turtleneck. The other night, I went to Kyle's holiday party and I wore a turtleneck and it started bugging me so much that I had to go in and use her eyebrow scissors and like cut the side because it was so tight on my own. Next, I was like off those of you that listened to a lot of news and don't know all the details of everyone's lives. She means her friend

Kyle Richard's not Kyle Rittenhouse. Not true. Not yeah, sorry, sorry guys if you're not following me on the ground and don't know my every step. Um Elizabeth Holmes dropped out of Stanford at nineteen to start Therapness, a blood testing startup. She grew its value to nine billion billion, So guys, don't go to a Paris Fashion Week with nine billion dollars jewelry. Don't do that either. Later, technology flaws were exposed and their nos and Homes were charged

with massive fraud. As she awaited trial, Homes reportedly found the time to get engaged, get married, and have a baby. Jury selection for holmes fraud trial began this past Tuesday, and she could face up to twenty years in prison. You guys, First off, the reason we're talking about the um turtlenecks so much is she was obsessed with Steve Jobs and so she wanted to kind of give that same allure where she wore the same thing every single day.

I mean, granted, I wear an Allo track suit every single day, and I'm not trying to channel to Steve Jobs. It's just like who I am. I'm also trying to emulate Steve Jobs my own twelve black turtlenecks, not joking, short sleeved dresses, crop tops. Yeah, I mean, that's that's who. That's who Leah is. But this woman is it's fascinating. One. I know that my voice isn't pleasing to all ears

her voice the sex level. I started watching the documentary yesterday and I had to take myself back because I had almost forgotten what her voice sounded like, Well, it's a fake voice. What why would you say it's a fake voice? I mean, I didn't realize Mira Sorvino was playing her. She did. She's like, yeah, it's Sarah nos

Oh Tharaohns. And the beauty about her is everybody said that interviewed her, from like every Vanity Fair article to Forbes to all of them, is that when she was talking about anything other than their nos, she was like not really paying attention. She couldn't answer the questions, but theirness. It was like the script every single time, obviously because it was a fraud and she didn't know what she was doing and ultimately ends up blaming her. Do you

call him the boyfriend? Call him the boyfriend? Ex president, the company president of her company who she met when she was younger, and she said that she was controlled and abused by him, Sonny, she was eighteen and he was thirty eight when they met. That is correct. However, in any of the video things that I saw, it

seems like she was running the show. I'm so sorry, but I just wanna, like, you know, Dmitri felt like it was really important for everyone to know that wanted everyone to know the age gap, because you're talking about controlling situation that she's claiming she was manipulated, controlled by him, And I think when you have that age difference at that age that plays, that makes it sadly more believable.

So I'm just I don't think that's the whole thing, but I think there had to have been I think there was probably some of that, but I don't think her hands are clean because of that. Well, she also said she dropped out of Stanford because she was raped at and she wanted to change the world, and she wanted to build her own company and change her life that way and and change the world. But then you have to say, while changing the world, she was actually

hurting so many people by giving them false tests. I call faranos. Fanos must be stopped. Have to collect all the rings. I mean truly, I mean they that their technologies were flawed. They it was massive odd. They weren't able to do any of the testing that they said they were doing. They promised to have to revolutionize blood

testing and the entire industry. It's just a single finger prick, right, They could just take a few drops of blood, eliminating the need for large needles and vials of blood sitting there being uncomfortable in the doctor's chair in the hospital wherever you are, and that they could run They could find over two health conditions with just a couple droplets

of the blood and a Walgreens and then manipulate. So then people are coming into Walgreens thinking they're getting this finger prick and then they're like, oh, actually the way your doctor called it in was through I V so you actually have to do this. So It's like, not only could they not give a straight answer on how many finger pricks they actually did, but they were you know,

having to do the IVY. But also this is the part that gives me the most, just people that consistently need to get their had taken because they have medical conditions would go get their blood taken from them, and that it would be completely different diagnostics because it was

all made up and the people in this lab. The part that really hit home to me was the one of the researchers or somebody that worked in the lab was saying how there was such a difference between the tile side and the carpet side, So anybody that worked at their nos that worked on the tile side knew what they were doing was a complete fraud, and they were trying to wrap their heads around these you know,

terrible things that they were telling their patients. But then they'd go over to the carpet side, where everybody idolized her and made her out to be, you know, like this genius, this savant, like this incredible person, and she's pretending that she knew none of that was going on. Meanwhile, like they're like they're playing like the champ is here, she like comes through the aisles to like pretend she doesn't know what's going on her own business, she said

Jesse small of blood testing. But wow, honestly, very good, Dmitri, very good. After she found out for everything, she still like was it was it Vanity Fair that came and did the interview with her, and they took all like she still didn't realize she was in trouble, Like she still kept up the lie. She still kept it going. And it's almost like she doesn't know the reality is what the reporter was saying. She can't even understand what actual reality is. I don't believe that to be true.

I don't think. I think that there are people that are so deep in their lies. Sure, maybe she believes her lies, but I think that there are people that are so pathologically unwell. She's a pathological liar and a sociopath too, to lie to so many investors and never have the technology. First of all, if you have that much money, higher better engineers, you know, like, how how did they just falls so short? Because she would have had to admit she didn't know what she was designing.

He had no idea what she was doing, but neither did Steve Jobs, and he took a lot of credit for other people's work. So maybe she really was the Steve Jobs of blood testing. Well, she's obviously she's a real smooth talker because guess who's not not single? Hello? She got a trust fund baby who I who also admired her always to marry her. They're still living their best life on the Graham There there's been some sluice that's found pictures of them were like they are. I mean,

she's about to come up for trash. She could face up to twenty years in prison. Yeah, but don't you think the timing is interesting that she was about to go on trial and then suddenly she was pregnant and they bought her almost a year. I bought her almost a year. We were going to go on trial and possibly never be able to see your child for twenty years. Would you want to be pregnant? I wouldn't. I don't

think she looks like that. I think she looks at it. Okay, there's gonna be a jury and they're gonna see this cold woman or they're going to see a mom. Yeah, they they're they're trying to make her look human, and you know, I know that she gave a very emotional testimony about being psychologically, emotionally and sexually abused by this man.

And I it's hard for me because you know, as as a kid, I always grew up really fearing authority figures, and then when I got into college, I started having crushes on teachers, and I thought that that was normal. But there's a power dynamic there that becomes very obvious, and I think that there's a level of giving into it. I think that you can decide to do it or decide not to do it. Well, I think it depends on the circumstance, um, but I mean I think so too.

But also, you know, there's a level of integrity and if you're saying your mission statement in a business is to change the world and change people's lives because of what happened with your grandfather, and that's your mission statement, then you should be able to own up to at least that portion of it. If your mission statement is, you know, I want to make as much money as I possibly can and do as many tests as I

possibly can. Okay, maybe you could understand it a little differently, but it's too such different things that she's doing that it's really hard to wrap your head around it, and especially because she's still not taking ownership, like she still was trying to release in Edison as her own Sarah knows Blood. Like there was just so many lies that you just don't know what to believe and how do you decipher the lies. But I think the it's just

wild that this is all finally coming forward. But it's I just think fascinating person I can say that it's fascinating. And she also had none of her former employees or any of her colleagues come to her wedding. So if it was really this guy that was the massive manipulator and he was doing all of this, but you had your entire rest of your business that knew that, or any anybody that still trust you, why weren't they there? Why wasn't anybody there from your entire you know, time

doing it? I mean, I know that there were a lot of locked doors there because they didn't want people knowing what was going on. And you know, when the company dissolved in twenty eighteen and they started facing several civil and criminal federal probes, um they reached a settlement with the SEC for five thousand dollars. She did not actually admit or deny the charges, She just paid it off. I think Ms Holmes is about to be Miss Holmes list.

I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, which is why we're going to have to keep you posted on the next Real Time crime, because, guys, as much as I want to talk about her, for I could honestly go on and on and I know, I could talk about Elizabeth Holmes Lee it could talk about herself and we could never end this book. No, No, there's just so many there are so many plot points that I know, I know. Can we talk about her more

next week? Yeah? We have to. We don't have a choice because I will wear black turtleneck and will be brought up in conversation. I'll even show all my next But can you guys do us a favor and call in and ask us any questions you have in regards to Elizabeth Holmes, do your phone number, Leah, do your phone number? Oh my god, I thought you never asked. Thank you so much, Teddy. This is my joy, my pride and joy. Eight six six twenty one crime. It's

six six twenty one crime. It's six six two one two, seven, four six three call us feel free to leave a voicemail and real Time Crime. Um, yeah, I don't know. I just thought it would be fun to try it out, and honestly, Italy hurts. Where where are your night? While you're listening? Alright, one turtle Nick. You know, it's also kind of just sounds like uh stoner bro from like the nineties. I also now want to go back and watch Roumie and Michelle. That's your tonight. I think we're

literally think we're bye guys, bye. It's real time grad, real time grad. I mean, is it actually real time I'm solving anything? Or is that just the thing we say, it's a thing we say, got it? Okay, see you next week for more Real Time crime, only on I Heart Radio