Dog the Bounty Hunter

for it. No, to be honest, that I was going to let that go because it's like you know, when a cat comes near you, you you don't want to scare it off because it won't come back. So when you called me favorite, I wasn't going to mention it because I was like, she won't do it again if I make a big deal out of it. And here we are. This is like when I never told my sister, I know I'm the favorite because you just make a huge deal about it, you know, right, I didn't know you

had a sister. Well, like I said, anyway, moving on, so we'll be talking about a lot of in Doble. Uh let me rephrase that incredibly insane stories today. The first hot topic we'll be talking about is a home invasion suspect busted after leaving school assignment in car. The next is USPS stopping delivering to a specific neighborhood in California after repeated attacks, and then an Only Fans star killing her boyfriend allegedly, and then the death of Conrad Roy.

I'm sure you guys have heard about this case. It is about the texting suicide case. And lastly, we have a very special guest with us today, Dog the Bounty Hunters found us even I'm very excited about this, especially because I'm not sure if you guys remember this, but I will tell this dog when he gets here. When we started the podcast, it was all about Gabby Petito and Brian Laundry, and Dog was a huge part of that. Dog We brought Dog in and by we, I mean America.

He was called in um to come and try to track down Brian and so we talked about him early, early, and like the maybe the first two or three episodes of this podcast. So I'm excited to see what he's up to. Now we all know that he did just get kicked off the Math Singer, So we're gonna be really gentle. Yeah, that's that. That'll that'll rattle anybody. I mean truly. I loved his costume, the armadillo so cool. Yeah.

But but when when we talked about Dog early on, when he said about the Gabby Petito stuff that was he was like to me, he was like somebody. I knew he was real, but I never thought, Hey, Dog's gonna join us one day and today's that day. Today's that day. Look at us, baby, look at us. Now we made it all right. So let's jump into our hot topics today. First of all, we've got a home invasion suspect busted after leaving school assignment in car. It

just reads like an onion article. A teenager wanted over a deadly Las Vegas home invasion was busted after leaving his homework in the getaway car. Math homework featuring Camari Oliver's name was found in the backpack inside the car in March after the suspects crashed into a while outside

the victim's home and fled on foot. Inside the backpack was a school chromebook along with a notebook of schoolwork, specifically math work, and in the top right corner of the schoolwork, the name Camari Oliver and fifth period were written. Cops arrested the eighteen year old at Las Vegas Valley High School last week after realizing he had an unexplained absence for the last two periods on the day of the deadly home invasion. Okay, so, Dmitri, do we think

it was actually him? Do we think it was just a coincidence that his backpack was in the car? I mean, the first first thing is first is it's so stupid that it makes you think someone had to have taken that to frame them. But it doesn't. I mean, it doesn't seem like that. It seems like it's just a stupid move. He didn't even say my backpack I've stolen,

so that eliminates the framing part. That's number one. Number two, so he doesn't have any prior criminal history, and I'm wondering if they're going to try him as an adult or a juvenile. But the thing is that they're saying, will he get away with it? He he allegedly or someone in his crew murdered a twenty four year old woman, Right, so someone needs to go to jail. Right, You don't get to just murder, someone burglarized them and then walk

away scott free. You're eighteen years old. Sounds like you're you're not being tried as a juvenile in my opinion, I agree. And it's bizarre though, because like the guy had his home, like clearly he's not just like I mean, he had his homework, he had it written on top, and he had it with him, so clearly he must do homework and stuff like that. So it's a little bit of a cross as to what type of character this guy really is. Did he get caught up in something.

Is it back to the future too, when they came and they were like Marty Jr. Come do this thing with us, and he just did it and it ruined the rest of his life or I don't know, Like I'm curious to see how what I'm saying. So he's been charge with murder, robbery, burglary, and kidnapping. And in addition to the backpop backpack cops that they found five thousand dollars in the getaway car. So I don't know whether he just got wrangled into going with his friends

or you know, in the car also crashed. That's how they caught him. Well, and then got the backpack as well. But they're saying that his attorney is saying that the team wasn't involved in the murder, and the evidence is going to show that he never went inside the house, so he still knew what was going on even if he never went into the house. And the girl's boyfriend was known for selling high end jewelry on Instagram, so I'm assuming that they thought that they would find a

lot of jewelry. They didn't mean to kill anyone, and then there was some sort of gunfire, and now we are where we are, and and lives are changed forever and and unfortunately ended as well, I think, you know, and not that hopefully no one that's listening is thinking about doing a crime. But it's like, this is what you really got to think through what you're doing. Oh listen, let's skip two periods. We'll go get some some jewelry

from this house. We'll have some money. Ship. You don't just don't know how things are going to play out. And yeah, I also like that. It's like, oh, but it was his first murder, so does he have to go to jail. It's like, yeah, you go, you go to jail in the first murder. I don't care if it's the only murder you know, This wasn't It's like you didn't even really know these people, did you? You just not that that makes it better. It makes it worse in my opinion. Actually, actually now it's all bad.

It's all really bad. I think he's a I think I hope they find the rest of the guys. I wonder if what will happen is they end up getting him to say the rest of the names and then giving him a lesser jail sentence. I mean, I usually what they what they do, and so I don't see what you're eighteen years old? I mean, what's the point

you're gonna you canna hold on to those names? No, you're gonna cough him up because as you want, especially if you hire life in jail, especially if you're your thing is that, oh, he didn't know what was happening, He never went into the place. If you really think you're that innocent, then cough up those names. Yep? Who are you? Who are you? Who are you laying down for? Then? All right, Dmitri, I agree, let's move on to our next hot topic. Speaking of who are you laying down for?

The USPS has laid down there delivery of the mail and is stopping service to a certain neighborhood in Santa Monica because of repeated tax on mail carrier since January. The first incident happened on January nine, when a resident living near the intersection of fourteen and Arizona Avenue allegedly swung a broomstick at one carrier delivering mail in the

early evening hours. The carrier was not injured in the tech apparently, and then months later, residents recently received notices from the USPS informing them that the reservice has hereby been suspended to all addresses located in the block of fourteen Street. The notice explained that multiple carriers have been subjected to assault and threats of assault from an individual who has not been located or apprehended. Is this a little drastic, It's it's drastic, it's dramatic. I mean, what

do you do? Right, You're walking to school right as a kid? A bully picks on you. What do you do you find someone to go with you? The first thing that you find a broomstick and swinging at swinging at him? Right, No, but they should be sending an armed police officer on the route, Like, you don't just stop delivering to everybody because someone's swinging a broomstick. Also, I'm just like, did you that person's wife? Mean no, oh, you mean got it? Oh because the stopping by the

house all the time. Sure, yeah, exactly. We don't know what's happening there. You know, maybe maybe you would want to swing the broomstick. You know, maybe this has nothing to do with someone not wanting their mail. I mean, like, why are we swinging the broomstick? That's the first question we gotta ask. And by the way, it's there's people everywhere, like a little office stuff. That's not a terrible neighborhood fourteen in Arizona and Santa Monica. No, it seems too random.

It's like, oh, you should stop serving mail in Venice where there are people just out in the streets going crazy. They're talking about a legitimate resident who has an issue, so clearly they know which house it is. Right, change up the routes, give somebody else that route. If it's a personal thing, right, just send an officer, like you don't just stop. That's your job. Your job is to deliver the mail. And I'm talking about the whole USPS.

So you don't just be like, hey, guys, listen, it was crazy windy, so we're not in that in that alley, so we're not going to deliver it there anymore. It's like, you can't just come up with something that to me, this Obviously I don't want the person to get hurt or anything, but this is a little benign. We haven't been able to identify them. Then identify them, right, yeah, I mean their job is to deliver promotional materials. Will never open and my tax turns and that's it, which

I mean someone else will. I won't. But you know, all right, let's move on to this next case that this is absolutely insane and only van star Corney Taylor confronted at a hotel bar over killing her boyfriend. I just want to say, if you have not watched the TMZ footage, there are two different videos, one of her getting a confronted at this hotel bar, which is confirmed her by the way, she's with her dad and this other woman is filming her and saying, yeah, you should

go because you just killed your boyfriend. Yeah you did. It's so wild. And then the other footage is very shocking, and she's wearing a tankini braw let and white pants and she's soaked in blood, sitting on the floor and handcuffs. I'm actually this feels a little Logan Polly to me, where I'm just like, why are we posting this on the internet? But then I guess, you know, we see crazy stuff on the news all the time, all right.

So Courtney Clenny, she is years old and she's known on social media as Courtney Taylor, was taken to a mental institution after Christian Opum Sally was stabbed to death. That's allegedly her boyfriend, the cops said. A video has now emerged on Instagram showing someone filming a blonde woman in the barb of Miami's Grand Beach Hotel Friday night. As I told you, she was with her dad and

they get up and leave after this altercation. The investigation into the death is ongoing and she hasn't been arrested or charged with a crime. The new footage comes days just after Clenny was pictured handcuffed and drenched and blood moments after he was stabbed to death. Like I said, the footage is on TMC and she's wearing bag basically like a crop top, white pants covered in blood. Her arm appears to be held back, like she's being handcuffed, and this is I'm just this is I'm baffled by

human beings. Yeah, well, a lot of questions. So was she handcuffed? Was that like the police had arrived at the scene and she was handcuffed and being detained because she was freaking out? I mean did she and how did this person like for this person to approach and be like, yeah, you should go. You just it all seems a little right, like why hasn't she been charged yet? Right? Do you think, well, she'll end up getting charged. Do you think they'll just send her to the mental institutions?

Say it was insanity. I mean the other thing is when you read reports about this, apparently they had violent interactions in the past. Some people were even saying, you know that he was trying to take her into some sort of like human trafficking ring. I mean, it's very confusing. I think that there's always two sides to every story. I wish we were talking about Johnny deppany and for her today speaking of two sides to every story, where

you just don't really know who to believe. But in a situation like this, it's clear that there were previous arguments, previous fights, previous violence which was agreed upon by their friends, And I just I think no, I just think it's clear that she took matters into her own hands killed him and allegedly and whether or not this was a moment of temporary insanity or she was she was defending herself. Some people are saying it's self defense. We won't know

until we get more details. There's a lot that can be read into behavior after an event. That's why I had a problem with Will Smith dancing at his at his party, at the Oscar party, in the post Oscar party. But this thing if whether you did this or not, he was indeed he wasn't fact your boyfriend, right? Why is the is she with her dad in like a hotel bar, like just fucking laylow for a little while,

Whether you did it or not, I don't get. I don't get the whatever it is in their brains that says, okay, it's okay for me to go on and just do life normally. Like there's a disconnect there, And to me, that's the scariest thing. I completely agree, you know, what we are gonna go to a quick break because our guest has arrived and we got to bring him in. I'm so excited. Don't touch that dial. We'll be right back. Friends, don't commit a crime while we're waiting for Dog in

the zoom lobby. I was trying to find a rhyming word, just didn't come O k brbeah and we're back, you guys, I am so excited to introduce our guests for today. It is an honor that he's here. Duane Lee Chapman, also known his Dog the Bounty Hunter. You guys, you already know him and love him. He's an American television personality,

a bounty hunter and former bail bondsman. He came to international notice as a bounty hunter for his successful capture of Max Factor Air Andrew Luster in Mexico in two thousand three, and the following year was given his own series, Dog the Bounty Hunter on A and E. After Dog the Bounty Hunter ended, Chapman appeared in A Dog and Beth on the Hunt, a similarly format a TV show, alongside his wife and business partner, The Late Best Chapman.

On CMT his series Dogs Most Wanted debut on w G in America in late and most recently, he was Armadillo on season seven of The Masked Singer Dog. Thank you for coming on the podcast. Hello Dog, you look fabulous? Yeah, and Dog, who are we wearing today? Oh kindness Francia, Uh alright, well, let's just hop right to it because we and we know we've got a limited amount of time with you, and we're so excited you're here today.

Thank you for having me. Oh, Dog is a pleasure. Okay, So we know we want to get into the crime stuff, but we really got to talk about the masks singer. Okay, thank you. Oh you were so great as the Armadilloh, we just loved you. How do you feel after coming out of the show. We know it was probably so hard to sing in that costume, right, well, it's hard to walk all your all your senses but smell are cut off. You cannot see. That's why the men in

black lead everyone, not just me. You got boots glued into boots. It's my My costume was one of the light ones. Was to two hundred thirty sub pounds. Wore layers of clothing in case you fall. We are we gonna talk about that four layers of clothing. It is a hundred and ten degrees in there. And then they're like, here's the mic, and I'm like, well, am I gonna pan of mine? Or you've got somebody humming in the background,

James Brown or something. Oh no, no, no, no, You're gonna sing into that microphone, take a deep breath, and it's on, Dog Eaton, Like what and of all the times in your life when you thought someday, I'm gonna dress up as an armadillo and I'm just gonna sing in front of an audience, he thought it would be more glamorous than this. I bet yes. And every as you mentioned armadillo, every we tried, because we've been guests before, Dog Valley Enter, every clue, every shotka, every question was

a clue. The clue hunter was now the clue giver. Adello were armor like I do, bulletroo vest as they're young, they're called a puppy. There were a lot of things. The songs, you know, the questions Nick asked me, the panel we tried to hint our way to Heaven. I mean, it was it's a credible show, so you enjoy it oh so much. Yes, it's one of the you know that's having fun my job, and usually my shows are very dangerous. Well this was dangerous too, you could you know?

One guy said stop right now, you're gonna step off the stage. So uh yeah, whoa, it was something And it's just been a day since, you know, it happened, So it's starting to sink in now, and you have no idea. You're like when the FBI get someone to tell on a murder or something, you know how they bring in in the mask and you from the gate from the hotel route to the studio inside the studio, gloves separate to your chin, mask on you. They have

no idea. I'm pretty good at the investigation. Behind the investigation. Even the valet guys wouldn't tell me. I mean, I was trying to find out who am I competing with? You? Really, you have no idea. Last night was the first time that I saw who was there because I'm watching as everyone else's, so it is a big deal. It's a it's a secret agent man show. It's incredible. Were you surprised by some of the people. Oh, yes, I was surprised. Do you mean that have been on? Oh yeah, I

wanted Shaka Khan was. I mean there's some pro singers there, you know, and everyone had a great time. And I heard him saying that, what a great time, And I didn't realize, you know, how great of a time it really was. Is it bitter sweet to not realize it until you're gone? No, it builds up as you go. Each time you succeed and get by the next round, I guess you call it. You get more confidence and more encouragement from the staff, and you know, Francis there,

go baby, go show dog. You get out there. Though, you know, you're just like whoa? You feel like you're always on the one yard line. I mean it's like, whoa, what a rush? Do you think it's crazy? People thought you were Rudy Giuliani? Oh did they? Oh? Did they? Who's that? Just the internet? Oh who's Rudy? What's his Name's a politician in New York? Not important, it's not important. So do you feel like you know you might know who the last few people are? Oh? No, you hear him?

I mean yeah, they like, oh do you hear him? They give me goose bumps. M Oh, I was like, oh, no, wonder, I mean they are incredible. There are top singers in America and in London on this show. I mean they can they she's saying that. Last night I was like, oh, dear Lord, I mean, there there's some good I'm gonna I can't wait to see who I bet it. There's a tie, you think? So? Yes, I guarantee none of them can hunt down a criminal like you, though, I get to go back to that. Is everyone to be

talking career change? Are you going back to that? No, We're gonna stick with what I've done for forty some years, and that's crab fighting and evolving. And yes, sir, good do you think you'll be able to reuse the armadillo costume trying to find someone just camouflage in the background. I think of something. It's armadillo, also known as the dog. That would be amazing. I love. I love that dog

is intentional because it's God spelled backwards. Yes, years when I was fourteen years old, I was named that and I got since you bring him up, think you have Easter? I got to sing a Christians song and you know, I was so. I was in the spirit world system. I was there. I never went so stoned in my life I was there. It was Oh. I was like, oh my god, without a hangover. I was so let me tell you, it was incredible. It was amazing, goose bumps floating. I'm like, oh my god, mother, behold I suh.

I was so happy. I was like, what a great thing. And everybody could watch and you don't got to keep the kids out right, you can't watch tight your head right.

I love. I love this side of you. You're like, you know, you're you're so I mean, you've obviously got a great personality, but you're so business when you're rightfully so when you're hunting down criminals and people on the run, isn't that But you were like, you know, you're like a kid on on Christmas morning here talking about this Diggs. Want to know one brother, I can already tell you know. It was something that I once I opened my mouth and stuck in my pootos I sometimes do with not

using now with Francy, I said I'll do it. So I chose yes, right, So I knew that I was obligating again, especially when you get out there and they shoved you and say go, what do you do? Go? I can't do it? No, you can't do that. So it was it's really really a fun show. My celebrity friends, I've got a few have been called me this morning, going dog, How do you get on the job? Do I get a convention? Everybody's like whoa man? And I don't say now stop. You gotta see you gotta be

able to perform. You gotta walk around this rim and pound suit. This is a tough stuff. You're isolated you. They isolated us. Even the delivery guy couldn't see us. It was like, you're not existent, you know what I mean. It's really uh tight tight bit. Did you feel nervous when you would go on stage? I just assumed someone like you who's trying to hunt down convicted felons and murderers and all these terrible people. You're also just going on stage in front of, you know, thousands of people,

singing in a costume. But did that make you more nervous than going and finding criminals? Oh so much more? When you're when I'm feeling my show, you can't tell the guy I missed the shot? Can we tell you again? Because it's real? But you can you know, if you stick your finger in your nose or something, or your ear you can would you please cut that? You can't do that right and because the lawyers, we can't cut much. So this is no cutting. This is if you got it,

flaw on it, if you don't get out. I mean it was like, no, this is I would never do this again. It was so uh, non customary to me to dance around. I've got a lot of kids and invited dance and say that'd be like they head, please stop. So it was just incredible. So now that you're back to so you're going back to your regular career, right, how do you how do you do? You? Have you already picked? Like what are you off to now? Or does something? Do they come to you or do you

just say you know? This seems similar to the Brian laundry case where you were like people were like we need dog and you were like dogs on it? Is there something that you just like seeing You're like that they need me on that? Or do they come to you? How does that work? I'm glad you're asking me. So for about three years because Betson happened. Now this is the third year and Francis former husband and having four years we took off. I couldn't work. I had to

be right there all the time. Uh, we're back. We grieved so hard. We're back. Okay, so we're right now. We're doing a show called Dog, the Bounty Hunter and the Essentials, and that is for those are guys and girls that have either retired like they the Fens retired you in your early fifties. The Bible says you don't get wisdom and knowledge till in the fifties and gaining These guys are incredible. A couple of my kids are in it. And we're going after people that pedophiles. We're

going after wanted guys that killed girls. Remember we just found two bodies. We got down there with Brian Laundry. We brought all that media that case. Believe me, also, as you know, is not over. But uh, we gotta make a difference now. So we got I did. I'm doing an n f T. I just joined the sand Box. We're doing uh Simon and Schuster. We're doing a new book that uh this Dog has nine lives and still counting. You know, things are happening out because we're back to work.

My Franchie is very spiritual and so am I, and she's supervising me and I just it's just incredible. So as long as I stay busy like that and things going on, you know, then I'm happy. Because I worked hard on some of the mounties. You've got to go twenty four thirty six hours without drugs and barely coffee. You gotta, you know, So to work hard like that and to get a good reward at the end of that work is worth it. That's what I do it for.

And I used to box, right, and I didn't like hitting that much kind of but I didn't like to get hit. But the cheer of the crowd and I walked in and I got done. Yeah, dog done. Oh that's what I love. I don't know what that's called, but and the mass singer they were cheering me go, dog you go. When you bring a fugitive and the mother that's his mother or the grandma or the thank you dog, I live for that. I don't know. There must be some kind of something about it, but I

just live for for that. Yeah, I relate to that. I'm a stand up comedian and so anytime the audience laughs or applaudse, I just feel like I've done a service or I've done my job. And it feels so good to be of service to other people. I just wanted to quickly go back to your n f T because I'm super into the crypto web three space. Are you doing a full collection? And when is it? When do you plan to drop? Yes, they're dropping soon. And I'm in the sad box too. This is amazing. Okay,

and there and they're your age. Is that impolite to say to you? With each generation biblically and we see get smarter. So then you guys are incredible that some of the stuff you're doing. So we're jumping in there in Francis. It's great. We love it because you get your message out and people have fun. You know, people can stand at the line and the bank and and

play it. We're doing a video game now where kind of like Jimunji, where you push the button you see what the things are, what the criminals weakness, sar is you know how not to be a victim? You know, park across street from a bank, don't park across the street from you know, a different liquor store. I mean, there's so many things. Watch it when you pull up to a when you got your little sticker for a Handicap signed because that's the first car the criminals hit.

I mean there's a lot of things that will be able to do with with the new the metaverse and and the video game and f t S and all that. Well, you know, Snoop Dogg loves Sandbox. I feel like you two should do a collaboration, Snoop dog the bounty Hunter. Listen ideas you have, uh, you have discernment, sister. We're working on that right now. Why people with Snoop people? We he wanted to go on a bounty with me and we were going to do the celebrity right along

and Snoop said to me, I double dog Darren to run. Yeah, you two on a show together. Is already an instant hit. Yes, absolutely instant hit. Wow. I can't believe that I called this. Rolling up to a crime scene in his his Laker mobile, I could see that that's who you're getting out, like Starsky and Hutch he's smoking a joint. Yeah, and you imagine the guys, you know, doing something whatever like Stallone lost his son. I mean there's a lot of things,

uh that that different celebrities. You put them in the back seat, ride with the fugitive. You need to change your life right now, you know, Charlie Sheen, I did that stuff. Look where it lad snoop DOGG do it? Or you've got a problem. I mean they're you know that right there is very compelling and I like to you know all, I like to do that. Well, going back to something you said, by the way, because I have been obsessed with the Gabby Petito Brian laundry case.

That's actually why we started this podcast, and so we referenced you some point episodes one through three because we were so excited that you got on the case. We were like dogs going to solve this. You know, this case had America by the heartstrings. We were all just waiting every day for new information. So I don't know what you can tell us, but I've never felt settled about this case. Well, we're amazing to say that we should have my people get with your people because we're

doing a dog cast. When La launching and we hooked up together, I got footage in the Brian laundry hunt that no one else has got. So and I started out by saying, this is not what dog says, this is what the camera says. Okay, So we well, I know there's something there, but you know, there's so many diff Now he's suicide. He was right handed, shot himself to the left hand. There are so many things that don't look good. So we're gonna, you know, put that on one of the wedding and then that the Brian

laundry thing. How sad because you know, I lost a daughter at the same age as Gabby were Francy and I went to her honeymoon. I was a hundred miles away, didn't even know it. Francis from Florida. So we went back there to be in the beach. She's like, you promised me the beach in the sand, not the swamp and the gators. So I mean she she stopped the honeymoon to go down there. It was god Land as soon as we hit there. The media game things. You know, I have a lot of fans, I love a lot

of people, and we needed that. We needed you know, the brother here is His sister said, oh, I haven't seen him, and Franzie and I ran a real simple thing and found out that he'd been in the park. It's his picture in the back of the truck when they come in, and you know, a lot of those things were never really developed because there's something going on there. Okay, so uh yeah we're and that's the cases we're getting into right now. Is those kind of and I've always

been big brother, you've better watching. Can't talk about about the cops, but the truth, they are so busy. One gets on the case with you on the phone, you start brainstorming. He gets a call domestic violence. I'll be back an hour, dog two hours. It takes. He's coming a kid missing at school, He's got to go there. They are so understaffed and so busy. Even when they got enough staff that to do something that's already been there,

done that, they can't do it. So that's why it takes citizens with criminal justice experts behind them and lawyers and know what they're doing to help them out. Okay, I don't care. Sometimes I have found the perp called the competence that he's in the house guinea to let

them have the glory the ero walk. Right, I only catch a bad guy and if I get to share with the cop the glory the ero walk, I love that because the and that's the thing, it's it's like what you said is, yes, they're busy and they have all this other stuff going on. That's why when people were like stop whatever, you know, what do you how do you feel about like TikTok people, they were like, oh,

stop with your theory, stop with it. I think the more evidence that people can throw out there, and the more theories that people can throw out there, have someone that weeds through it. I'm not saying that that I don't the cops don't look it and say, well, it's gotta be this, Like they're all scatter brained, they know

what they're doing, but they're overwhelmed. So I think the more people that can dig stuff up or throw theories out there or you know, people are fantastic now on TikTok and on the Internet where they can zoom in on something. Granted that flowerbed thing probably nothing but fascinating. Well, and it's you know, the fans don't have and I don't know if this is a bad word, Internet sloops don't does. And we got today last night we were

talking to Katie. We have fifty five hundred leads every three days, another one every day, three leads come in again about Brian laundry. We left that so the fans can afford that they don't have someone to man the phone. You call the FETs, try to leave a message. You know, they don't have to give me. They're so security number. We pay cash on delivery for the information. We don't gotta call crime stoppers. You know. There's a lot of things that we do that their hands are bound that

they can't do. They can't boot a door if they know he's in there, we can't, you know. So there's a lot of things that uh and now in again forty some two or three years in the beginning, you know, they were like my foe right which ones that fell and out? They both are Now I'm brother Dog, and that makes me feel good because I have proven to them that I'm a good guy with a black cat, you know what I mean. So it's it's incredible, and this is why we are team Dog. Yeah, team Dog

for life. We love you. I mean, I wish we had more time with you. I mean, I just I guess I have one final question, is you know you've seen and heard everything. I mean, if there's anyone on the planet that has seen and heard it all to you, has there been anything in your many seasons of successful television and all of the hunts you had off camera. Is there anything you've seen that is the wildest moment

that you felt that you actually witnessed. I didn't witness it, but to arrest the guy that did a very bad thing to a seven month old baby. Now, I don't want to get to spiritual, but there's evil and then there's demonic possession. You gotta be full of something, demons I call it. You walk into king supers and open up and see women and men dying and screaming for God and their mother, and laugh and shoot again. Those

are the guys were going after. That's what I have seen more than I ever have ever is you know, you're very young, but you were probably around when the first McDonald's shooting happened. That was the first one ever. Now what is it? One a day in a shopping center or something, you know what I mean? So the demonic spread of evil and it's not us. The demonic spread of evil is around. But and to be right with God on the flip side of that, you normal, non spiritual way, there's got to be a power of

God just as strong. And that's why I call it's supernatural it's really there. I've seen a lot of that where I haven't seen before. I've seen a lot of pastors now and supernatural believers that getting these combinations from God how to get things done. I've never you know, uh, I've never seen that. It's incredible, what God, it's it's I mean, you know, I don't want to sound like a preacher, because I'm not. But we are truly living in the last days. And but we can, you know,

we can triumph it. Just you know, we got to keep COVID all this stuff. Oh dear Lord, imagine we were a Urico dog. We love you. You're incredible. Thank you for doing the Lord's work. You We we need more people like you. And if you ever want a uny Jewish woman to come along for a right along, please invite me. I'm dying to come. Thank you. Yeah, I enjoy your enjoy your Armadillo moments in life. But don't stop doing what you're doing because it's it's impressive

and needed. And listen after Armadillo and the best here. You know, forty years bro, I've arrest in eight thousand, I've probably bragged the number one crime guy in America out of solvement. How to stop it? Yeah, educate, don't and Carson rat. I mean, there's so many things that I've seen work and things that I haven't. Please remember my my people and call me if you need me. I'll be right there. Be careful what you wish for. Yeah, I will, and I will be purchasing your n f

T and looking out for you in sandbox. Thank you, Helloa, thank you, God bless thank you, thank you. I feel like I need like go to a spot that was wild, that was so are you guys not shook? Yeah, a little bit, it was. It's quite a roller coaster, quite an event. I mean, I'm I'm very interested to hear what he knows about Brian laundry that we don't know.

I know he did he I saw your eyes light up when he said that's not over and and he could just mean that there's the suing going on, but I feel like and he said, we have stuff footage that people don't have of you. He knows something and I'll be interested to hear what it is. And he

said that they keep getting tips every day. I mean, I really do think that people are, you know, not over the fact that he might have run away or he's he's not really dead or and you know that used to be my theory, but obviously I'm over that one. But I do think when he said, you know he can he was right handed and he was shot in the left temple. I I think about that constantly. I'm like, who killed Brian Laundry? Was it one of the parents? Was a like a assistant suicide? Was it? You know?

I think that there's so many aspects and play that we really just don't have enough information about. Agreed, And I think it's so difficult to shoot a gun that to do that with your non dominant hand and have it be without a reaction, have it be where you needed to be. There's Yeah, it seems interesting. It's a little suspect. So this guy that I was dating, it's a weird go on. I'm here. Maybe he loves guns. He's like, I'll come with you to go get one.

You know, there's a cooling off period after you try to get a gun, or they make you wait ten days before you can go back and get it. I don't know if you know that the same thing with dating for you, and yeah, wait ten days and then I always go back I know that don't learn anything, so and he was trying to show me how to put a bullet into the gun, to load the gun, and it was physically so difficult to actually put the bullets into the gun. I mean, there's everything having to

do with guns. I think people don't realize how complicated they are and how difficult it is. So then to do everything with your non dominant hand right is very confusing. In my opinion. That's the problem is that guns are so difficult to operate this and yet somehow these so many morons and ship heads find a way to get them and operate them. And welcome back to real time crime.

You just heard us with Dog, And then of course Dmitri and I had to give our two cents about guns and brand laundry because that's who we are inside. And I think it's time for us to talk about our main case of the day. Demitri A you ready, I'm ready. I mean, it's gonna be tough, pretty tough to dissect this thing without Dog. But now I feel like I wish you seen another level. I mean, no offense, I do wish we got his opinion on literally everything from today and all ways in every episode. I wish

he was on the podcast. He wouldn't be sometimes dog, he would be all the time. Dog. Yeah. I don't think i'd get to speak, and I'd be okay with that. Do you love how much he called me young constantly? I know you did. I don't know what clips will be on social media, but if there's a clip of you smiling when he calls you young, I think people will get it. Because I was like, here, we get he said it a couple of times. It's like, Okay, come on, dog, You're really going to hurt us in

the long run. She doesn't. I know that when people look at me, they think I'm eighteen, but I'm actually twenty two. M okay. So I just want to say trigger warning suicide. I mean, honestly, this whole episode is a trigger warning. But this case, specifically, it's the death of Conrad Roy. I'm sure you've been hearing about it because there are multiple TV shows about it now. There's ABC and Who Lose the Girl for Plainville, and they're

both about the same case. So Conrad Henry Roy the third was an American teenager who died by suicide at the age of eighteen and fourteen, his girlfriend, then seventeen year old Michelle Carter, encouraged him in text messages to kill himself. The case was the subject of a notable investigation and involuntary manslaughter trial in Massachusetts, colloquial known as

the texting suicide case. Michelle Carter made headlines in fifteen when a mass Chusets judge ruled that her words through texting and phone calls coerced eighteen year old Roy into dying by suicide. She was sentenced to fifteen months in prison, which she sure served from February twenty nineteen to January twenty She got released three months early due to good conduct, so Michelle Carter twenty five has been seen for the

first time since being released from jail January. Her story has been dramatized in the Hulu series The Girl from Plain Bill with l Fanning playing Carter, Colton Ryan playing Conrad Roy, and Chloe seven A how do you say your last name? Is that? How you say it? I thought, A seven, I think that's very fancy. This is We're going to get the bomb of this crime playing Lennroy,

Conrad's mother. In addition to the Girl From playing Bill, Carter and Roy story has also been covered inbo documentary I Love You Now Die The Commonwealth Verse Michelle Carter, woof Last week ABC revisited the texting suicide trial. So I'm sure a lot of people have already heard about this case. And this boy was very beloved. He was an all around good kids, smart, family oriented, surrounded by friends.

Was even mentioned how he got his captain license to go out on their family boat with his dad and grandfather. He never wanted to failed anything, but apart from having a seemingly good life, he appeared and he had a battle with his mental health, and he had attempted suicide before. He did have issues, and he got help for it and he came out the other side. And when they found out that he took his own life, they didn't believe it's because he wanted to die, but rather it

was a cry for help. And this is such a tragic story. I think. I think some people think that she should be a free woman Michelle um and and some people say they were surprised she even got eleven months,

which is crazy to me. I think emotionally, you want her because it was decided and with your own eyes and ears, it seems like she certainly didn't play the role that he needed in this right she put and part of it was, didn't they say that she she wanted the attention of being like the grieving girlfriend that was kind of allegedly what what kind of what she

was doing is for for attention and stuff like that. Clearly, if he's battling with mental mental health and and he had kind of been righting himself and trying to deal with it and she comes in and not the person he needed in his life. Um, but yeah, you could see that. I guess in one way, it is lucky that she did any time at all because she didn't commit the crime, But so there was a lot of gray area in there. So I think that's the big question.

Was Michelle in any way responsible for Conrad taking his own life? Because I guess at the end of the day, it was still his decision, is what people are saying. And online bullying is so prevalent now. I'm just grateful I didn't grow up with you know, Instagram when I was in middle school, because I probably would have lost my mind over all the online bullying and the fake accounts and people can say anything, but when you read

the chain of transmission between them and their texts. She's she's saying do it, do it, or do it or I'll get you help. It's like, just get him help. Why are you She's like, oh baby, you can't live like this? Oh what? Yeah, that's that's not the words of someone that that truly cares about somebody that's going through some problem. Maybe she would claim that she was trying to, like, you know, give him an ultimating, but that's not that's not the the area that you play

around with that. No, she even said last night, was it. You keep pushing it off and you say you'll do it, but you never do. It's always going to be that way if you don't take action, you're just gonna make it harder on yourself by pushing it off. You just have to do it. Do you want to do it now? Yeah? Like and and these are I mean, it goes on and on and on and on, and you can read.

I suggest that you look it up and make a decision for yourself how you feel whether you think that she's responsible, partially responsible, fully responsible, I mean the text or bizarre. She's like, I love you, Are you gonna do it now, like what, It's so bizarre because clearly not the words of someone that truly loves, that loves him and is concerned about him. So well, like I said,

it's it's it's a shame, it's terrible all around. But the fact that he needed help and this is someone that was close to him, that he thought probably did love him or did care about him, and these are the words that he's getting them from the most from and you know, his family as a as a father, myself, like his family afterward, knowing that someone was doing this to him, probably I don't know what the relationship was with her and the family, but they probably thought, oh,

it's his girlfriend. She's there, she's another level of support. I don't know anything about the family or that connection, but to look back on that now has got to be just like it was right there in front of you. That's why people say, do you look at your kids stuff and you know, you know, read their text or And granted he's eighteen, so it's a different it was

a bit of a different story. But it's so interesting when you said that, it triggered me because I remember thinking I had no privacy as a kid, and I was such a good kid, and my mom was looking or I felt like I was looking for problems, or maybe it was her way of getting closer to me, or but there was never any reason for concern mhm. And that still is something that I constantly feel frustrated by, where I'm like, do I have my privacy? Is anyone

looking through my stuff? But it's then you go into situations like this where I'm sure if his parents saw these text messages, they would have taken him and gone him help immediately, you know. And you can see in the text messages he's talking about how you know, he's out with his family getting ice cream, or he's out he's doing something with his family, and she's like, well, you got to do it when you're done, and you know,

he's like, I don't, I don't know. I'm getting nervous because I just I don't know what's going to happen to my family, Like he loved his family, and she's like, I told you, I'll take care of them. It'll be fine. I mean, the the amount of evil that you have to have to to even whatever whatever reason, alleged reason, whatever reason she was doing it for, there's no there's no excuse for it. It's it's not when you know someone struggling, that's not the approach you take. And I

do believe, and I remember hearing that. I do believe it was more about attention. Oh, she's going to play the role of the grieving girlfriend, clearly not loving herself more, clearly loving herself more than him or anything else. I mean. Also, it's like, Okay, I believe she was a factor in his death, you know, because there was no if you break up with me, I'll kill myself. Because it sounds like she wanted him to kill himself so she didn't

want to be with him. She could have just broken up with him, you know, there's like and then the blame would have been on her. Then she wouldn't have been able to play that role she wanted to play either. Did she just think no one was going to see the messages? He even says like did you delete these? Like they're talking about deleting the messages? You know. It's

like it's just so upsetting. And I mean, do you think that when a case like this gets made into a TV show that it glorifies it or does it bring it awareness or both? I think as long as things are done a certain way, I don't think. I'm not as alarmed by glorifying stuff. I think, obviously you can glorify something and make it look like especially for younger minds and and uh and influencing people. But I'm I think it's better to be aware. But that's why

I'll read things. I'll read news stories that I don't want to read, but I read them because you can take something from them, and you can learn something. The more you are aware you are of things, the more you can be, the more you can prevent them. Right, So stuff like you said about privacy, you were a

good kid, you didn't really do anything. But you know what, sometimes kids, especially getting this moment and they think, oh, this is this is this is only happening to me and this is only my life, and things get so put under a microscope and they don't realize that a lot of people go through bullying a lot and there's people out there that go through the same things and people. So I think support groups and knowing stuff is an

easier way to help people. So I'm not concerned with the TV shows, and I assume that they're not taking a glorifying stance to it. No. I mean the other thing about television shows is it does bring more awareness to it in my opinion, you know, and then it helps other people in the future. That's That's what a lot of entertainment is is bringing awareness so that people

feel like, oh, that happened to someone else. Well, now I don't feel so alone, or this isn't so uncommon, or this is the way, or this is something I should be looking out for. There are a multitude of ways that it's actually extremely beneficial. And you know, I mean they did it with the Anadelte case, they did it with a tender swindler. It's like, if you don't put that information out there, of course, the tender swindlers now, you know, like signed with a SiGe and or whatever.

That's different, of course. But now people are aware that this sort of thing can happen and they should be on the lookout, you know. And it's like if a if a guy started asking me for twenty dollars or open credit, I would be like, m you have seen this before and it's going to be a no for me. Dog, But not I would never say no. Dog. The bounty hunter obviously obviously thousand times yes to him that how many times can I say yes? You know? And wow,

this has been a wild episode today. Yeah, but there's a lot of and to be honest, it's funny. I almost feel bad putting that thing in here because you look at all these other things and you're like, get your ask back out there and deliver the mail or figure it out post office. You don't stop delivering mail because of one thing that irritated me, Like all this other ship going on, it's like whoa, someone swung a broomstick. Figure it out. You don't just stop doing what you're doing.

Imagine if dog was like, WHOA, this is dangerous, I'm not going to do go do this, he said, He's what arrested like eight thousand people or help bring them in. Yeah, the littlest hardship. It's like, I'm sorry that there was one witch in Santa Monica who needed to take off to get to their next destination and you were in the way. Get over it, right, Get over it anyway,

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it and have a little fun. Not fun, you're expensive, but just fun. Expensive at eight six crime that's eight six six twent anyone come eight six six to anyone time? That's eight six six two and two seven four six three? Hi Leo, will you go out with me? Oh? Dear lord, it'll make you so uncomfortable. Leave those messages will be so happy. I'll be like, yeah, someone loves me. Okay, that's very sad. That's so sad, Dmitri. We can't do

podcast this early again, all right. You can find me on Instagram and Twitter at Leo Lamar with two RS and show dates at Leo Lamar dot com and my TikTok's Lee Lamar with five RS, although it does have another content violation, so who knows how long I'll be on TikTok. You, guys, stay safe out there in those streets. Dmitri, where can we find you on the internet at Dmitri pappas d E M E t R I p A P p A S or just look for the tag in the real time Crime account account. I love that

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