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But I do feel like we have some pressing issues we should discuss before we go into the Halloween murders. You mean my day so far? Yeah, that's That's what I'm talking about so pretty much today, as you know, we I woke up, it was like a normal day, um, took the kids and worked out, took the kids to the bus, and then all of a sudden, I started getting these text messages from people like is to read okay?

And I'm like, what are you talking about? And then I saw the the you know, the news outlets that she her house had been broken into and just her kids were home and that she was robbed. And so I spent the morning over there at her house and I don't want to share anything private from her, and but it's just one of those things. It's just so heartbreaking. And I know when people say that you're on a reality TV show, like you signed up for this, and

that's the part that's so devastating. It's like nobody signs up to have to be violated in that way, and it's just so so frightening, especially involving your kids. And you know, she's just so strong, and I just my heartbreaks for her. And of course, like I have to like get in an Instagram fight with somebody over it because I saw that a girl that used to be on The Housewives posted some thing that put a portion of her address on it, and I was just like

why why do that? And I mean, I think we talked so much about real crimes here, but like people really do go on Instagram to try to get information on people. So it's like you don't need like people whenever they get mad and they post somebody's phone number, they post a part of an address, it's like you don't know what the repercussions could actually be, and it's

just it's really sad. And I think, you know, we we talked about a lot of crimes here and we we'd love to dig into it, but no matter what, like I would never in a million years I think to try to like is it docs someone? Is that what it's called? When? Yeah, I mean because people, you know, robbers, anybody,

they know how to how to find extra information. And it's just I don't know, it's just it made me sad and it made just like the intrusion on her privacy, but also just how scared she must have been and like, yeah, so that's been my day, um, which is all a much worse day for her, But I just I don't know,

it just made me feel sad. But it also made me think about like all the different ways that we all have to protect start protect ourselves in this city, like turning our alarms on being there, like just because crime is prevalent no matter where, like no matter if we're sluice and we're digging into it, it can happen to anyone at any time. And it doesn't mean just

because you're in the public eye. Yeah that's that's really dont you are a great friend, And through it all, your hair looks amazing, which I think needs to be said. And we have our One of our producers, Dmitri here with us, who hasn't commented on your hair yet. I just wanted to point that out, but I want to thank you for that you have beautiful hair. In our producer Dmitri is here who doesn't have hair. Maybe that's why I didn't compliment, because he's like, would you want

to buy some of its extensions? You can borrow some of mine. I think even if I had complimented your hair, which I think looks fantastic, at some point, I think Leo would have taken me down and been like, well, how what do you know about hair? So that's why I was your comments. You know what, I'm really looking forward to all of the comments that that say those vapid bitches speaking of nightmares my ex boyfriend called so that's where I'm at should also be considered a crime,

which one. I mean, The list is long. I posted a tweet as a joke that said squid game, except all the players are my exes, and I meant it in the fact that all of my ex boyfriends were poor, but everyone just took it as the fact that I've dated four and fifty six people. You know, the number is significantly higher. Like, okay, well that's the clip right there, right, Teddy Mama four calls Leo Lamar. Pretty sure we can. We're gonna claim it's three like everybody else. No, No,

it's a four thousand, five and sixty. They just missed a zero there, just one decimal over. She's a cal ripping of dating the iron Man over here. Thank you, Dmitri. Welcome, great iron Man reference. You've not iron Man d C. I'm just saying that you when you when you're crossing that you've dated four thousand guys. I'm an olympian. That is somewhat criminal that you've dated four thousand and yet

we still have to call all of them. And next it's criminal that I've dated over four thousand people and I'm still single. That's not one ring. You know what. Don't show your ring while I'm here. No ring showing. Oh god, okay, Teddy's gonna be over at my house and be like, oh okay, anyway you guys, um, what are you going for? Is for Halloween? What's your costume? Well? Are we talking to me? I mean we'll talk to Dmitri later, so yeah, yeah, we haven't led Dmitri we

haven't announced that he's allowed to speak. He's just spoken. He's just taking it upon himself. Well for what, I'm doing an adult thing one time, and we are. It's a fire and ice theme, So I'm gonna be fire and my husband's gonna be ic even though he told me I picked him out a terrible costume. And then with the kids, Slate is going to be Cruella and then we're all her Dalmatians. Wait, I'm devastated because I'm going as Cruella and I have been waiting for a

hundred and one man here to go with Dalmatian. With your track record, you should be able to find him. I feel like you could just cast some out, like just pay them each a dollar and they'd come running. Uh, this is I'm devastated. I'm devastated to hear this news. I thought it was a really original idea. Yeah, well, well apparently it wasn't. Corrella was a big movie this year. It was you know, had a good soundtrack, so I know, well, this is the first time I feel like I'm going

as a hot villain. You know, everywhere every year I try to go with something creative, and this year I decided just go hot, which is exciting for me. That's exciting. It leads to a lot more opportunity, which apparently I didn't get into the five thousand up. I always think it's weird when people are like, oh, look at that sexy cow or like, you know, it's like you want sexy cow cat its like, oh her utters. I feel personally victimized by that comment. We should start, We should

start the show. You have to start. I'm sorry, d Meetri. Did you have a thought about how we're running our podcast? Thank you so much so. I was just trying to save us from going down to part that's gonna be cut out? Should we He's like, guys, we're let's save that editing for later. Um, all right. The first one we got to talk about is Ronald O'Brien has been called the man who killed Halloween and the candy Man.

On Halloween and nine seventy four and eight year old Timothy O'Brien returned to his Houston home from a long night of trick or treating. His father, Ronald gave him one last piece of candy, a pixie stick, which, of course Timothy eight instantly. Within moments, the boy was vomiting, and he died on the way to the hospital. After changing a story multiple times, police learned that Ronald was responsible for his son's death, as he had poisoned the

candy with cyanide. How sick is psychopath like so and it turned out that he had a life insurance policy on his on his child. That's next level. I mean. Also, how can you be called the man who killed Halloween? Of Halloween is alive? And well, well, I mean he killed on Halloween. Maybe they just forgot them. Also, so you guys know about candy Man. If you say candyman five times in the mirror, what happens, right, Michael Keaton appears? Oh now they have to keep it in make sense.

The thing you Dmitri, I really appreciate you. But you know, a man with a bloody hook comes and murders you. Isn't that the game? Is that? What? Really? What you say? I thought it was like you say something red red. I don't know, you like turn out a different that's a different one. What is that one? I think that's red Rum? Or like bloody Mary red Rum. Yeah, we're bloody Mary. I don't know. But either way, all the fun ways to get married, I mean married murder Mary.

I think that might be the saddest thing we're gonna here today. Ok Okay, that's number one, all right. You gotta do number two because I can't pronounce the last name properly. Oh when you think I can? All right, well, here, I'd rather you mess it up. Thank thank you, thank you. I'm Leo Lamar. I'm here to mess everything up today. Alright. So our second Halloween murder two friends lesliean Mazza, and adrian in sog. I had to add the hand motions.

They were stabbed late one Halloween night. Okay, Leslie and Adrianne and their friend Lauren. Mean, So did this happen in Italy? Okay, We're busy handing out candy to trick or treaters in Napa, California. This is hallowe Night two thousand four. Means awoke to a scream from the upstairs bedrooms, and you know what she does, Teddy what? He runs out of the house and drives away, leaving her friends behind. I feel like he would do that to me, thank you so much. I would. But also she has no

survivors guilt. She was just like, I'm out of here. I didn't even try to see what was wrong or saved her friends. What if they just had a bad nightmare, you know, But instead she decided to bounce. Okay, so they were both twenty six. They were stabbed to death, and Eric Matthew, I don't know if it's Italian, just like I had to do it that way. A friend of one of the victims turned himself in and confessed

to the murders, so not really a friend. He never told anyone his motive, which is so odd, especially because you know a lot of people who um a lot of there are a lot of people who come forward about murders who aren't actually the murderers. So this is kind of like a strange one because it seems like

he might not even have been the murderer. Um, that seems like a strange thing to confess, especially because he's sit spending a life sentence without the possibility of all right, but he didn't even have a motive, So it's just I mean, it's kind of an odd case. But also that is that woman is the worst friend ever. Like if I was an employer and I googled her name and saw she just bounced on her friends. I feel like she he had to have a motive, he just

didn't share. Maybe it was a lover's core allegedly, who knows lover's quarrel? Yeah, like it could have been that they were all mixed up in something to get who knows? Also nice to be in love? Well, not on this Halloween night, Not on this Halloween with Leslian and Adrian. I can't wait to hear the Valentine show. Well, Dmitri, do you want to take on William Leah? You have your permission. Thank you for clearing your throat, Dmitri. We

really needed to hear the flag go on. There was no flagm William Liskey killed his family members on Halloween in two thousands, ten, sixteen year old Devin Griffin came home on Halloween to play video games after attending church. They're always coming home from church and spending the previous nights sleeping out. He noticed the Michigan home was too quiet, so we went to check on his family members. According to the Sandusky Register, Griffin proceeded to find his stepfather

in bed covered in blood. When police arrived, they found two more bodies, Griffin's mother and brother. Police eventually learned the murderer was Griffin's stepbrother, William Lisky. Liskey pleaded guilty to three counts of aggravated murder to avoid the death penalty, but found was found dead in his jail cell in

two thousand fifteen from a self inflicted rule. I just have to say, it's always too quiet in the suburbs wherever you are, you know what I mean, It's always scary, and I just feel like I'm never safe, Like there are too many crazy people in the city. But then when you go to the suburbs to get away from all the crazy people, it's too quiet and that's creepy, you know. It's like, where are you safe? On a spaceship with Jeff Bezos and Mars. I definitely don't think so. Really,

I would let him impregnant me. Of course you would. You're like, what's his name's wife? You're like Robert Durst's wife. Yeah, I'm just worried about the money. I'm like, and don't let that man be a lawyer. He'll take all the money. I love that woman, by the way, I believe me.

I remember, and I'll never after my own heart. I can't after this episode no one will ever marry Well, after what you suggesting that we do this episode and me not knowing anything about the Cecil Hotel and having to learn everything about it in the past four eight hours, I am so beyond obsessed. I feel like I thought you're gonna say you're gonna break up with me, but you went the other way. No, I loved. I loved

this one. You're welcome. Loved some of the others was hard for me, but oh my god, absolutely loved this one. Do you like well? So really briefly, so these are this is not a Halloween murder, but this is a this is hotel Halloween. There's always a murder happening at this hotel. I even so when you watched the documentary, first of all, they call it hotel death. The fact that there's a question of is there a room that

someone hasn't died in? You don't want to be asking that question or receiving that question, especially as the manager of the hotel. Why would you continue to work there? While you're talking about the manager of the hotel, she gave me some real shady vibes, shady af like, just even the way she talked about it and then she kept calling the hotel of her I'm like, how do

you know? Did you ask the hotel? It's pronounced like I just don't believe that, you know, And I thought beyond shady was that they Okay, So to let you guys know that the hotel was super dangerous. Multiple crimes happened within this hotel. So what they did was, because they got so many bad reviews, they created another hotel inside of this hotel with a different entrance that was called what was it called Leah Stand Maine Stay On Maine. But the worst part about it is they still had

to share a hotel. I mean, that's an elevator. Wait, okay, first of all, let me just say the Cecil Hotel is in downtown l A, right next to skid Row, and it is essentially haunted, right, so so many people have committed suicide, their serial killers have lived there, like Richard Ramras, which we'll get into in a second. And the funny thing is that the the actual lobby is so beautiful and the outside the building is beautiful, and

on the inside it's filled with murderers. It's kind of like the but then the rooms, the rooms are disgusting Yeah, the Cecil hotels, just like me, looks fine on the outside, but the inside is a big old mess, very dead one, full of problems, full of problems have stayed there. No, over four thousand killer men have stayed back. Oh I almost just said something very disturbing, but it would have gotten cut. But um, god, I hate censoring myself. Look Um,

first of all, I'll just say this. I think that if you love shopping, you go to the mall. If you love murder, you go to the Hotel Cecil. Some of these people were not even meaning to stay at the Hotel Cecil, like Elisa Lamb, for example. She thought she was staying on Maine, and then the hotel even flagged her as somebody with concerning behavior and moved her out of her shared living area into her own room. So Hotel Cecil slash Day on Maine knew that things

were not good. Well, let's just dive right into the Elizel Lamb case. Okay. It is absolutely disturbing for those of you who know nothing about this case. So essentially we'll just say that they chalked up her death to mental illness and accidental suicide. However, there are a lot

of conspiracy theories about her death. So she was Canadian and she moved to the States where she was going to be a student, and she stayed at the Cecil Hotel downtown because it was affordable, and just like Teddy said, she was in a shared room and she had a lot of odd behavior, and so she was put in her own private room. If you have odd behavior at the Cecil Hotel, you're probably a murderer, right in honestly, yeah.

I mean the fact that they're saying that she was disturbing people lets me know that she was probably at that point, aren't You shouldn't the manager of the hotel. If you have to do that, then maybe called the authorities and alert them, or maybe it seems like they weren't really alerting the authorities when they had a serial killer on their premises. So kind of seems like a safe place for people who are unwell. The part that made me really sad is she was really on was

it Tumbler? She was on Tumbler a lot, and she was sharing her emotions and sharing like how she was struggling mentally and certain medications would work, and then she'd have days where she couldn't leave her bed, and so it's like there was multiple cries for help. She was also diagnosed by Pohler correct and then unable to find

a medication that is able to help her. And but the one thing that they didn't mention in the documentary is if you stop a medication immediately, you have suicidal tendencies. Antidepressant like they I mean, I've been on antidepressants before and on them like when you're going off, they make you taper off in a certain way because if not, it creates withdrawal, with not just withdrawal, but like it says like one of the side effects can be suicidal thoughts.

So I mean I do. I mean, you've got to explain the elevator and what happened in the elevator and her missing and then he never as I know, and then we'll get more into you know, of course, what I think as someone who will probably never be off antidepressants. First of all, let me just say very pro taking care of your mental health, therapy, psychiatry, whatever works for you. But don't do nothing. That's my advice. I think getting help is the right way to go and does not

make you weak. I think it makes you much stronger. Thank God for Dr Kleinberg, Doctor Feldstein. I'm just naming Jews. They're not actually my doctor, but I you know all the people in my life who keep me medicated and alive, loved, all of you, you know who you are. Okay, So, first of all, Alisa Lamb's death her is still very odd and suspicious. Right, the toxicology tests and the autopsy came back saying that she didn't have any drugs in

her system, and they ruled it an accidental drowning. And they found her body in a water tank at the roof of the building. And people only realized because their water started turning brown and people started complaining and they were literally drinking water with rotting human corpse. Okay, but then there's more. So there's I mean, that's just the tip of the iceberg. First of all, it would take so much for her to accidentally drop into the water tank.

And also she was found without her clothes on in the water tank. A lot of people say that when you start to have hypothermia, you actually take your off. It's a thing. It's not just you know, you don't feel like getting naked. Well, that's also when you're in an igloo, you're supposed to take your clothes off, but also if you're trying to get out of something like that, because I feel it's about to go into I once

dated an Eskimo and that's what he told. Now that's where you now, it's going to go there it maybe we may have gotten through it without Yeah, it wasn't even my fault, only thank you. But they so misreported and they said in like the news reports that the water tank was open, but it was actually closed, so

that misreporting was actually a big snaff foo um. And they have footage of her in the elevator where it looks she walks into the elevator and she almost calm at first, but then all of a sudden you see her like pressing all the buttons and doing these things with her hands. And then they show a clip of the elevator door closing and her whipping her head around. But then it looks like part of the footage has been taken out like that. They you see it start to close and then it so but you never see

how the person here. It's sped up. They've completely made the time stamp unreadable so that you can't even see what time it's at. There are theories that you see a shoe like a like the heel of another person's shoe in the footage briefly, and also, I do want to just just go back for two seconds because I feel like we missed um a couple of essential moments.

So Alisa on Tumblr also mentioned, you know that she was going out and meeting people, and we also know that the hotel was filled with questionable characters, so we don't know if she was romantically involved with someone. We don't know if there was someone in the hotel who was chasing her. We don't know if she was just

off her meds and actually having a complete breakdown. But what happened the night of her disappearance was that the last tape that they have of her is her going into the elevator acting suspicious, which will come back to you in a second, and then disappearing, and then there's no more footage of her. But then several weeks later they find her dead body in a water tank and the only way for her to have gotten onto the

hotel roof undetected. She would have either gone through a locked an alarmed door, but the alarm never went off or through a fire escape on the side of the building. Then she would have had to climb to the top of the water tank platform up a ten foot ladder and then lifted a super heavy water tank lid and then sliding inside and then somehow latching it closed, but

it was open. There are a lot of details that seem left out and complicated, and also it just seems very difficult to do all of that um and have it just be by yourself and not assisted by another person. But they never found evidence of DNA of anyone else around, and it probably would have had to just be a

solo act. And while we're on the topic of some of the different conspiracy theories, there was a man who stayed in the hotel Cecil and he was like, I'm gonna maybe say this wrong, but he was a musician, but it was like he was the type of musician where he was like it was very bloody and gory, and he was like he came through and did an interview in the documentary and he said that he started being accused of the person that did the murder because

he stayed in the hotel and nobody did enough research to realize that he stayed in the hotel a year prior to her even being there. They would never even overlap time frames. But he was then accused of being the person that murdered her, and it got to the point where he was so attacked and so people were just you know, all over him that he got to the point where he tried to commit suicide and then

he had to be institutionalized. So that's where they also say that like if you stay in that hotel, there's just so much that carries Yeah, you're cursed. But also where this conspiracy theory has led to somebody else having major mental health issues and he didn't even know her. I just want to say, this is very one of you to make a case about a woman about a man that has nothing to do with this. He was

dying inside. I'm watching him wanting to say anything, but in true fashion, Dmitri has not been given permission to speak yet. Or he's just smart and to know when to gosh of water. Let's go a little water break. Okay, let's go back to the elevator. So the elevator footage is the last footage they have of her alive. And like I said, and like you've mentioned the tape was obviously tampered with. The time stamp is unreadable, which is

done intentionally. There is clearly pieces of footage removed from it, and we can't tell at what piece the footage is because if you play it at different speeds, it could seem normal, and if you play at other speeds that seems super abnormal. So the elevator footage shows her going

into the elevator, pushing a bunch of buttons. Already bizarre, right, she looks at the elevator, She moves back into a corner, then she steps outside, waves her hands about kind of like a weird majestic way where it looks like she's conjuring a spirit. Something odd is happening. The hand gestures are weird. The elevator doesn't go anywhere, so we don't know if that means someone's pushing the elevator button holding it there. We just we actually have a lot of answers.

We actually have a lot of questions, and no answers is what I meant to say, Okay, and then we I don't think at any point she seems scared, but we do see her kind of speaking and jumping out of the elevator and then vanishing. You have to note the speaking thing. Her parents said that that is something that had happened with her in the past when she was struggling and she would go off for medication, she would start to, uh have a psychosis where she thought

she saw things, and so anything is possible. But I'm just we have to we have to show all the sides. And you know, we appreciate the fact that you are emotionally available enough to share all the sides, because I I'm not um so okay. So now one of the theories is and if you go and read it, and you're a readitor like me, you will notice that the Elevator game is something that everyone brings up. What is the Elevator game? You ask? Thank you so much for asking.

I really appreciate it. So the Elevator gave originated in Korea, and it's actually a game that's played thirty three thousand times a month a month. And now when I tell you what it is, you're gonna wonder why there are thirty three thousand disturbed people out there trying to play this game. Okay, The Elevator game is a game where you have to play a alone and be you have to play with a building that has at least ten

stories in it and has an elevator. Those are that that's the bare minimum, and if you ascend and descend in a very specifical or or in the elevator to certain floors, there is a chance that you get transported to another dimension. Now, this other dimension, what is it? Like you ask? Not heaven? It is literally hell. So people have said that when you get out on the tenth floor, which if you make it to the tenth floor, the elevator will choose whether or not you get to

go to the other dimension. If you go there, there's a red glowing cross in the distance. It's super dark. It seems like our world but slightly different, and there's nothing to gain besides being lost in this other dimension and just knowing that it exists. There are literally no pros cons. Teddy, I'm asking you not to do this. This is a no for me on my my ex.

Let me just share really quickly. Um, shall we give your ex's names, like just even fay ones, because seem like there's one person and like we clearly it's not. Maybe we picked the top five and just named them, but just thing is that, like, I really haven't dated that many people. Sure, and I'm a natural blonde. Come on, natural blonde. They've never had continue See, this is one of those times where I'm not supposed to say anything,

so I would thank you, Dmitri. So I was telling my X about this game and we just talked about it, and he refused to tell me that he wouldn't not play it. So and I was begging. I was like, I'm just telling you about it, but I'm not telling you to do it. Please don't do it. Do not play this game. Whatever you do, do not play this game. And he could not be talked out of it. He didn't end up playing it, but he did end up

in the hospital with a bowel obstruction. No, not dimension, But hold on, who's telling us what this looks to? A boul dimension? Are these people? Like do people come back from this? Like how do we know what they see? That? This? The whole thing sounds ridiculous. And he didn't even play it, but something bad happened to him. So what I'm We'll tell you a little bit more about the game, but

please don't play the game. Don't go looking for When we were younger, and we like taught ourselves how to faint, and then everybody's like, whatever you do, don't do the fainting game. You guys never did this. It was like a big thing. Well I'm so much older than you. But in the eighties where you like lean over and you go and then you have your friend push on

you and then you faint. It was like a big We had to have like a memo go out in our school that like, we were not if we found out that any of us were making each other faint, that we would get suspended. Did anyone die from that? No one that I know, But then that came out that somebody died, so then we all stopped. But I mean, what the hell? But that's why I'm worried. Like people here and try things, but thankfully I don't think this exists.

This dimension to the instructive bowel is enough to scare enough people off. I'm not trying this. If the if the alternate dimension didn't that will well was it the alternate dimension or did he just swallow his feelings for me? I think you're so blinded by love that you're willing to give that. Maybe he just had a bowel instruction like need maybe he had like a gerbil fetish. I mean, okay,

gross number one, I don't know. You don't remember that story as someone who has maybe allegedly had sex with this person. I don't think he has a devil allegedly, But I'm disturbed. I don't. I don't. I don't know. If I can go on, I think that might be best. Well, how we have to end with hotels? So but I have to ask you guys, would if they reopen, would you guys ever stay there? No? Okay, I would go if we if we went and did a podcast from there, I would do that. But I wouldn't just like go

there by myself. But we couldn't above the room. Apparently the higher up the rooms, the more dangerous the place was, and the the less the police would come if they said this was like on the tenth floor, the leventh floor or whatever, because that they've got more dangerous and

they were more expensive less expensive the higher up. Can I just really briefly say, if you google the elevator game and you check out what people have said, they were like, I'm haunted, I'm so help me, let me just so so I'm not even I'm not going to tell you what order to go in in the elevators, but all I will tell you is that apparently you get onto the fifth floor, and you are not supposed to look at a woman who gets on the elevator.

She may or may not get on the elevator, but if she does, you are not allowed to look at her. And if you look at her, and apparently she may or may not appear with someone, you know, she'll try to talk to you, she might ask her help, she might start screaming. You don't know how she'll appear. But once you look at her, you're basically like damned for eternity. And there are lots of people on YouTube who claim to be doing this game, but none of your electronics

will work. And if they bring electronics in then it doesn't actually work. So especially if you go in they're saying I I really, but people say that this woman they think, so essentially they go to the tenth floor or not, but they go back to the first floor and you get let out, and then your everyday life is haunted if you have if you have played the game wrong. And on the internet, everything on the internet

is true. One million I mean upset that we don't believe when people say, if you go to the fifth floor, Um, but woman may or may not appear. It's like any time you leave it may or may not. It's like, okay, so you could just be making it up. Yeah, but that's like I may or may not come to the dinner you invited me to. But I elevator games start at the Hotel Cecil. No, it started in Korea many many moons ago. It's just something that they thought she

was playing. They thought she was playing out so when they when she was speaking, they thought that she was speaking to the woman on the fifth floor and we couldn't see her, and that she entered, and that she was raptured, I guess, or taken by this evil demon and then put into the water tank and murdered by this evil spirit. Do you also find it odd that the night stalker stayed at the Hotel Cecil? Yeah? I find it all that Richard ramras Um, can you let

me be wrong? No, ramerous god, I mean that guy would come back to the hotel covered in blood. He was sentenced to death nineteen times, Like if you've been sentenced to death nineteen times? Pretty sure, you're going straight to hell. And he I just looked at up. He died into cancer of cancer. Yeah, he might actually be Satan himself. He was. They did a bunch of movies on him where they made him really look like he was really good looking too. Why do you always do that?

I don't glamorize murder. I I absolutely do not understand. I mean, speaking of hot, I wish I didn't think Ed Gaen was hot. Stop. I can't with Ed Dean. I know I like the transition though, but I really I there were parts when I was listening and now I'm gonna regret saying this, there was parts when I started listening to some of the podcasts about Ed Dean and reading about him where I felt really sad the way he was raised. Do you guys know who Ed

Gaine is? I'm sure Leo wants to do his official and no, no, no, no, no, we all know who Ed Gaine is. But I do think and by we all know, I mean not all of us know. And Teddy, we would love for you us, We would love for you us, We would love for you to introduce him to us. However, I think let's just take a quick break and then we'll come back to ed Gaine. How does that sound for everyone? That sounds good? Okay, time

to go pp p RB. Sorry to me. I mean we could just say we're taking breaking whatever you need to do during that time. It is cool. We don't have to say that. But maybe some people need to go to the bathroom. Like your ex boyfriend with the bat obstruction. He couldn't go to the bathroom. He was considab That's how I know. We were just like old for app brothers. I'm like, you're letting me know you can't go to the bathroom. I mean, this is just

it's over. Romance is dead. So eyes were back and we're all having a little laugh because I was chatting with them about how disgusting this picture was of me that was posted, and he was like, I think you look good, and I said I looked like one of Ed Geen's lampshades. For those of you don't know Ed Geene, well, his backstory was he grew up in a repressive household

controlled by a dominant mother. Following her death in nineteen forty five, his mental health got worse and worse, and Geen was apprehended as a suspect in a nineteen fifty seven murder. The investigation of his home yielded a highly disturbed man who kept human organs and fashion clothing and accessory out of body parts and skin. Yeah, he spent

the rest of his life institutionalized. His story began fueling the inspiration of such famous movies movie characters as Norman Bates from Psycho, Buffalo Bill from Signs of the Lambs, and leather Face from The Texas Chainsaw Master. Which is why we're talking about this on our Halloween episode because how creepy is that? And also feel free to weigh in if you guys think that my face looks like one of Edgean's lampshades. Oh maybe he was just very

fashion forward. And I think I think ed Geane would love to have your type of face on a lampshade. But I don't think God Jemitri is this compliment Cheddy Jay is this compliment Teddy in the scariest way possible. And I'm stand on a lamp shade and fairness, you set you set the conversation up this way. It's not like I was like, Hey, do you want to talk about human lampshades? You guys said it there, and I just said, you're making it seem like you have no

control over your thoughts and words. What should I say here? Wait? Okay? Also, I want to highlight the fact that ed Gean had a very controlling religious mother, because I do think that I will be this type of mother, and therefore I probably shouldn't have children. But you said that you hated the suburbs so you couldn't heat. She moved their family out from like even like a little small town that they lived in, out to like far far far, into

this farm area where she was controlling. He wasn't allowed to have friends. Anytime he brought a friend over, she would tell him all the reasons why they couldn't be friends. So the only person he really had any relationship was with her. And he had an alcoholic father, who correct me if I'm wrong, ended up passing away or no longer lived with I can't even remember. But the point is like, which always brings me back to the other questions of like was he born that way or was

this because of something that you know? Growing up the way he did? You know they say superheroes aren't made, they're born. Well, I'm not sure. We call ed Dean a super superhero, and and I was gonna say in super villains are also not born. There made I think, Look, there's a through line of all of these serial killers, John Wayne gaycy Gary Ridgeway, ed Geane, Robert Durst, Jeffrey Dahmer.

They all had very disturbed childhoods and very um terrifying upbringings where either their parents had depression or bipolar or attempted suicide or murdered or did commit suicide or super Yeah, there's always some sort of through line between all of these people, and most of them were never offered any sort of help, or didn't receive any or were told to like to suppress it and cover it up, as most of us are told. I have a problem when you lump yourself back in with the serial killers we're

talking about. I really I have to look down when it happens, because I know my reaction is not going to be the best. So it's best just I look down and pretend I'm focusing on the next thing, my next transition. Okay, Okay, but I will say this, this ed So ed Geen is, like you said, he inspired a lot of movie characters and he because he would dress up, he would wear the skins of these other people and skulls and pretend to be his mother, which is so mortifying. And he left her room exactly the

way it was when she died. So that's where the Norman Bates then comes in. He left it it was pristine, and the rest of his house was in shambles. Put the lotion in the basket. Somethinking about that too. I think I don't know if you guys, have you ever heard of the Madonna horror complex now, so the Madonna work complex. Lots of men I've dated have had this. It is, so I'm just gonna keep saying Madonna work.

So Madonna work complex is when men had a very complicated relationship with their mother growing up, and they see the mother or the person that they are in a relationship with as the respected figure, and then they see all other women as quote unquote horrors or people they can have sex with, and then there is a disconnect between being able to be romantically interested in someone that

you are physically interested in. And this I feel like it's a very extreme case of that, where he respected his mother so much and then you know he he actually did admit to murdering at least one of the women that they right, or did he admit to both murders. Well, they found the body in his the one in his house, right, and then he kept, you know, being found insane and

pleading insanity. But they found skulls, lambshades, chair upholsteries, waste baskets all made from human skin, uh, skinned women hanging on the bedroom wall, belt made of nipples, skulls on the bedposts, leggings, a box full of women's private parts. And he also admitted to digging up women. And so obviously he had a very complicated relationship with women because he wasn't murdering men from what I know. No, it

was always women. It's just mind. Nobody was going to be measuring up to his mother or even though his mother was a disaster, oh so disturbing. So he murdered Baronice Warden. She was reported missing from her hardware store and the cash register was also missing, and then they just followed a trail of blood. Um, so he also worked there. Correct, It sounds like that's true. Yeah, sounds

like it sounds like Teddy's on it. Teddy did her homework. Um. And then they authorities went to his house that night and found her headless and gooded, and her body was hanging from the ceiling, which is disturbing to say the least. Uh. And he also admitted to practicing necrophilia. So again, I think we can very much chalk this up to an extreme case of Madonna warr complex, among other things, and mental illness. And um, he also murdered, didn't he murder?

He murdered another woman? Yeah, oh oh, Hogan, he murdered. Um, you guys, I'm very with it today. I can see a good thing. Thank you so much. Um, he murdered another woman. And it's interesting because it was clear that he was devoted to his mom, but he literally almost never left home or dated other women except to murder people. The fact that anybody was dating him, I don't know if that is that confirmed. No, No, that he never dated women. Okay, I was like, I know, but even

to murder them. I wouldn't know that we would call this dating. I mean, you said I never dated women when he murdered them, so I was like a fun first date. O, my god, what point? Like, I just I don't think it's considered a date lea deceased. I don't don't, just don't respond to that, please, solely to bring this all back into Halloween and Dmitri, can you guys share your favorite Hollywood cult classic movies? I gotta spell on you and now you're mind? Do you guys

know what that's from? No? Hocus Pocus, Oh hocus focus. They haven't even shown that this year on my t V. But the first of all, Bettman, there is a goddess in my opinion of love love Sarah, Sarah Jessica Parker early days loved her. I still love her. She's the best. Um. Okay, so that's your favorite? What's your favorite? Dmitri? I don't know. I think I I did like Psycho um, but I think a Nightmare in Elm Street I thought was cool because I liked the crossover between dreams and reality. Dream

Dream Dream Dream Dream? Are we making a CD here? What's going on? I did you say we're making a CD? I'm old? Okay, Eddy, why did you just become a hundred years I'm a d This new eight track is going to be fantastic. My first car was a Gremlin and I had an eight track in it. Oh, Gremlins, that was a good movie. I never saw it. You guys are going to probably be a little upset with me, considering I am one of the hosts of a true crime podcast. I do not like horror movies. I like

true crime documentaries. I do not like horror movies. So I have never seen Texas Chainsaw Massacre. The first horror movie that I saw was Halloween, the New Halloween, because my friend Kyle's in it, and I was so frightened the whole time. I couldn't sleep all night. Like I think you either have like, and she did an amazing job. I think the movie is great. I just can't watch them and sleep at night. But why is there something wrong with me that I can watch true life ones? Yes?

Like that doesn't seem disturbing. Yes, And also I just want to let you know I I'm going to be very vulnerable right now and tell you guys that I used to work in a Haltday Haunted where you wanted like at the Universal where you scared people? No, no, no, uh did you ever see Sleep No More? In New York City the Immersive Theater experience. I'm a must to

miss that one. Teddy just shamed the entire theater industry with one centis I'm like, I saw a chorus line, all right, well, you're not invited to my Broadway show. So um it was an immersive theater show and it ran for September and October. This was a few years back now, obviously pre pandemic, but um, it was very interesting learning about how to scare people because there are

lots of different types of horror, their psychological horror. There's easy scares, like something you would call it jump scare, where you literally just pop out and scare someone you know, and those often are scarier to me than a psychological scare in the moment. But a psychological scare stays with you forever. And that's why Teddy is afraid of horror

movies because they are like psychological scares. But murder documentaries are kind of like jump scares where it just gets you in the moment and you're like, ah, interesting, and then you forget about it. But then psychological horrors stay with you forever, and I think that's why you feel like you're part of it and it never leaves you. Well that makes sense, but I can tell you that ever since joining this podcast. My husband's like, I am so frightened. I come home and you've got nope, like

papers everywhere I see pictures of killers. You're like, look like you haven't slept in weeks. Like He's like, I know, like you're plotting to murder me. I'm like, guy, like especially when Lee it throws Texas chainsaw massacre at me last minute, knowing I never saw it. I had no idea who genis. Okay, okay, So what's your favorite movie? Teddy? You fit like a practical magic type of Halloween. Gal. That was a creepy movie that was creepy, but like it was like a love creepy like that it felt

more more real to me. I can't like the the blood and the guts. I can't do it. I did love Silence of the Lamps. You loved it, I mean I watched it more than once. Oh my god, wait, I'm sorry. Didn't Teddy just say that she can't watch horror films and then she Silence? Which is on to me? Horror films are like when it's gory and bloody. I like psychological thrillers. That's also what my life is. Well, we'll get into that next week, guys, because we've run out of time for today. We have yes, oh we

didn't even get to the back. We didn't get to the black dial, which gives me more time to research. But also, can you, guys, choose a favor and send us in any of your recommendations for your favorite Halloween movies and we will post them on our Graham because ones that are kids appropriate as well, because for some of you, all moms out there that are like me, but kid appropriate and also the gorious to the gore, I will say that I don't think that there are

any horror movies that are appropriate for children. I watched an episode of Are You Afraid of the Dark when I was a kid, and I remember telling my mom, I fine, it doesn't upset me, And then of course I wasn't fine, and it did upset me, and I still have recurring nightmares. And it wasn't even that scary, just a child vanished into a vampire's cape for eternity. But other than that, I think it might explain a lot about me as a person and why I am the way I am. This episode was off the chain,

saw massacre and I'm I I'm in a place. I was an action when we started, and now I'm really in a place. On that On that note, guys, on that jingle, we have to go for this week, But don't you worry, get back and send into it. Lee is like, I need to get another joke and give it. Give it to me. This is mental illness, the fact that I refuse to let go. I'm like the fact I have a You know how I am with time. I know you're very punctual. Can I just say, everyone,

please call in eight six six twenty one crime. That's not the official jingle, but it's our official number. Please call in. Leave us messages. We'll even read. If you think of something clever, we'll even read them and answer them. Why we're here, and that again is eight six six crime twenty one is how old me and Teddy both are, so it'll be easy to remember. Oh why do you have to be I mean, I thought we were getting along today, but now I have to shade me at

the end. But yeah, call us you guys, because you already said your first car was a gremlin. No one's gonna be like, oh how hard you are to break up with At the end of the date, I mean a podcast like the ending is so literally it's like pulling Brian Laundry's teeth to get off the phone with you guys. Speaking of which, just real, real fast. They have not let us know if the DNA in the partial remains besides the teeth are whether they are confirmed

to be Brian Laundries or not. So we are still waiting at that information, and so stay tuned for next episode. We'll be we'll be digging into that for sure. But please do not leave a voicemail asking me on a date, because if you've listened to this podcast and you still want to date me, there's something wrong with you, and I will not say yes. And we can't count higher than a five thousand. Thank you, bye, ony of you guys. It's real time ground it real time grond I mean,

is it actually real time crime? I'm solving anything? Or is that just the thing we say? It's a thing we say, got it? Okay, see you next week for more real time crime, only on I Heart Radio.