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gonna introduce our guests in just a second. But I am going crazy with n F t l A events and meeting lots of anonymous people in real life now, which is hilarious because I thought I was never going to be able to meet them, which is a crime. So you're meeting people at these events and you're just all standing around to gotta go on. So what the Yeah, So it's a bunch of people who scam each other. That's It's a one big crime ring. But we all

just wear nice clothes. That's all that it is. Yeah, alright, just just a quick little rundown of what we're gonna be talking about today. We'll be talking about nine on one call revealing a boy falling to his death from a theme park ride. Will also be discussing a woman being arrested for shooting another woman over a wig. So many questions already, and of course we'll be talking about this laugh that heard around the world. Will Smith and Chris Rock Dmitri, are you ready for me to introduce

our guests. I am okay, you guys, you're in for a real treat today because this man is one of my favorite human beings. And not only is he hilarious, but you'll see he's a sweet then spicy. He'll say something that seems extremely profound and then at the last minute turn it into some sort of joke where you hate yourself and also love yourself at the same time, and then retell it to other people. And don't give him credit. He is a comedian and yeah, yeah, yeah,

he's an actor. Well it's hard for me to steal his jokes. You'll see why in just a second. We're could not be more opposite as human beings. Um, but he's an Indian actor, host, TV and radio personality. He headlines all around not just the country, but the world. And he also went to law school, which is going to be a very interesting m It will just be interesting to have him on the podcast talking about crime since he's been to law school and Dmitri, now, I

obviously don't know anything about the law. We just whoa, how do you know I've never been in law school. You would have brought it up on Namitri. That's a good point. Okay, thank you, damn it uh. Tehran von Gasri is one of my favorite people. He's half black, half Persian and he will never let you forget it. Tarran, thank you so much, So glad to be here with Leo Lamar. Hello, Ri. Dmitri is my nemesis. Dmitri is

my nemesis. He's the anti Tehran. I'm not sure how that would he because I have no hair and you have just dripping down your head of hair, like you can't even eveen under your hat. It's not just hair. You're also like nice and you're kind and you care. I'm over you. I think you've got the wrong impression of Demitri. We can fix that. On the outside. I already know Dmitri on the outside is this tough nose, hard ass. But on the inside, squishy teddy bear. Squishy

teddy bear. Have we met before? Like I never unless this episode was gonna be dissecting me. It's a psycho analysis of you. It's the second analyse of you. It's actually this isn't true crime. This is Dr Phil and I'm here to tell you who you damn it. It's intervention time. I knew it was coming anyway back to me, if that's okay. So just so everyone's aware, if you can't see the clips that we're posting, Tehran is in

his home studio. He's wearing a hat with his name on it, and in the background he has multiple photos of himself and pop art form and and it's kind of inception photos because in the photos of himself he's wearing a sweatshirt with a photo of himself on it. This is true and I'm also wearing I'm also wearing. Uh, my bottoms have my pictures on them too, and so do my my underwear. Listen, the point is this, If you guys haven't already noticed, Tarran and I know each

other very well. We haven't been friends for seven six years. I feel like it's been longer. It feels like eternity, kind of like the tenth level bell. But it's fine. It's fine. Leo Lamar. By the way, to me, so he said we weren't going to get along, You're making a lot of sense here. To Leo Lamar, is the anti you right, soft and squashy on the outside, deep

down inside, dead, dead on the inside. I'm letting you know that now dead on the inside and willing to murder all of us, willing to murder all of us. I don't want to the airport if I asked, would pick me up from the airport if I asked? Which is crazy to me? Which is crazy? I'll say this he Tarran has picked me up from the airport once

and he said never again. Never, never again. The fact that I've ever done that, I actually that was one of my denied till I die once and I cried in the whole car ride home, and I pretended it was because of my family, but it was because he was mean to me. This is really shaping up to

be quite an episode that's gonna be. This is it's already a true crime by the way, I feel that Leo Lamar has me on this because she's like, oh the law background is, She's like, and also he's committed crimes like I felt like, you know, what's so funny. I didn't even tell them that you've been to jail. Whoa, whoa, whoa. I didn't even tell them I've been to did you have to Well, I'm a person of color in the United States of America. Let's be very real. By the way,

I don't get to do that. You don't get every comedian I've had on this podcast. Uh, Janna's papas, who's not a comedian of color who's also been to jail? Um, But Mark Norman not a comedian of color. Who's every single comedian who's been on the podcast has been to jail. Daphnique Springs, Mark Norman, Um, Janna's props. But the ones of color have all been innocent, le A Lamar, The

ones of color have all been innocent. Once, iime, once you said you went to law school, I was like, Oh, that's just so he can, you know, get himself out of the ship he's getting himself into. Thank you Dmitri for understanding me. You're still my nemesis, but in a good way, kind of like how the Batman needs the Joker. You know, It's all right, we need each other. Yet and yet again, you guys are meeting in prison or an insane asylum. It's hard to say which one. At

this point. This is awesome. Yeah, you guys are being held hostage at this point. This is just Stockholm syndrome. I think Dmitri has been locked into this podcast. And here's language that's actually my love language, Stockholm Central. That's how I that's how I find potential mates. Yeah, like, how did I even get into Tehron's car? I don't know why, but I'm not leaving it. Um T why did you go to jail? Um? I want to throw I want to throw out. I want to throw out

the term. But the the legal which is the first time I've seen you freeze and answering any time. Yeah, because this is because this is a legal question. You're to have to speak to my lawyer. I need are you your lawyer? Whenever I have a conversation, lawyer, I need my lawyer. You just turn your hat backwards? Is that how that worked? His lawyer had has a picture of him in a suit. I wear many different hats. But yes, there are many different times than many different reasons.

But you know, it's all things that are behind me. I've never been convicted of any crime. I've been convicted of any crime. I want to point that out, and I just want American note, They're safe with me. You are safe at home. Wait, by the wait, I don't find I don't find myself compelling or believable right now. So I'm getting to I'm going to jail. I'm guilty.

This is a guilty verdict right now, thank you. So I just want to let you know all the other comedians have fully told the story of the time that they went to jail. It just seems like you're holding that because what what did Mark Norman go to jail for? One day? I was jaywalking and then he went to the drunk tank. Yeah, after I did another late night show. You know, I'm saying, like, what did Mark Norman? What could they have gotten in trouble for? You know? So alright,

so we know now it's probably sensitive material. Yeah, because you're the response was I'd like to just say I didn't do it. I did wasn't my fault. Okay, calm down. I did not with that woman. Listen. It's just one of those things. It's life, you know. But we've moved on. We've moved on, you know. Oh, Jason and Bill Clinton just naming black people. Leo Lamar, I feel like Dmitri say something, say something, your nemesis. He's on my team. Now the COO needs help all of a sudden. And

see how long you've been doing comedy? Who got you started? I've been doing comedy for and and this is the COVID years really placed that two year extra addition. But I've been doing comedy for twelve years now, twelve years, and I want to only say ten, but it's been twelve. And it's just, uh, it's a hard thing. It's a hard thing to reconcile with oneself. Yeah, and what got you into comedy? Uh? That actually goes back to the crime question. That's actually that really goes back to the

crime question. But I was as I was graduating as I as I was graduating law school, I was trying to figure out what was my next move. And actually, what was really interesting is there's a comedian named Mikey Winfield, who I know Leil Lamar is very familiar with, but for those of you who aren't, he's a very charismatic, wonderful comedian of color, with great brown skin and an

amazing smile. And I turned on the TV and saw him doing comedy and I literally thought to myself, if this guy can do this, I can do it too. And that's what got me into comedy. I feel like he'll hate hearing this. He's heard it many times. He's heard it many times. So thank you to everybody that's been part of my comedy journey, including the wonderful Leo Lamar, who was the reason I got on Clubhouse, the reason I got on Clubhouse. Yeah, and Clubhouse has been terrorized

ever since. They actually have spoken to Lee in regards to that. Why anyway, if we could just keep this moving right along and really appreciate that. Okay, you guys, it's start for us to get into our hot topics for this week. This one is pretty sensitive. I mean, I'm sure a lot of you've already heard about this story, and I will give you the scoop, But apparently Tyree Sampson, fourteen years old of St. Louis, Missouri, died after slipping out of his seat on the free Fall ride at

around eleven pm on Thursday. The teenager wasting visiting Central Florida on a football program trip with his friends family. When asked by the operator how far up the team was when he fell, the woman replied, I'm not sure, but it's the new ride. That's all the way up the highest one. I don't know from where he fell. How does she have time to have good grammar? And

I'll never understand that. Tyree's father, Yarnell, said that his son was six ft five and forty pounds and was told by other rides in the park that he was too large to hide safely, but that the free fall ride operators waived him aboard. The grieving father said that Tyree began to panic and shared a chilling premonition with his two best friends seated next him on the ride.

That's when he started freaking out. He was explaining to his friends next to him, I don't know, man, if I don't make it down safely, can you please tell my MoMA and daddy that I love them? And his friend said for him to say something like that, he must have felt something. So now there's an investigation under way and they are trying to figure out who is

to blame for this. Apparently the only thing stopping people from falling out of their seats were plastic pulled down harnesses, which are supposed to buckle in place in between writers legs, and apparently his harness was still locked after the fall. There's a pretty gruesome report of the nine on one call, and I'm not gonna read it because it's a literally it's intense alright. So you guys, the article says that he may have exceeded the right's weight limit and he

was turned away from other rides. Mm hmmm. So do we think that the responsibility of death falls on the person and people operating the passengers on the free fall? Right? Well, there are a lot of different There are a lot of different things we have to take in their context. Right, So not only not only did we just open this ride, this is apparently supposed to be a new ride, but it goes up to about four hundred and thirty ft high,

which is very high. And as for Tyree himself, he's apparently two hundred and eighty five to three hundred pounds six ft five tall or three d and forty pounds six ft five tall mail And the ride it exceeds the limits once it hits two hundred pounds. So that's somebody's fault for allowing him on the ride. And we know why this happens. When you go to these especially these kind of local town amusement parks. It's not like we have a professor or physics PhD running running the show.

It's a twenty year old kid who could be friends with you or whatever it is, and goes, yeah, yeah, yeah, just get on, and that's how it starts. I think the thing that's odd to me is if he was getting rejected from every other ride, why would he be like, oh yeah, let me go on the tallest one. Because he's fourteen years old and he thought, listen, if I can get it, like we're you kind of forget. And I think the people probably running the ride that twenty

year old kids looked at this guy. He's six ft five pounds. You probably look at him like he's a man. And but he's a fourteen year old kid. So he got to go on a ride that his friends were going on. Of course he took the opportunity because you don't think, okay, well I'm gonna fall from this thing and I'm going to die. Obviously he had a premonition when he was on it. He he was like, oh I could go on this ride. Let me jump on it.

I think we're looking at it because hindsight is every single there are times will you'll say something and then the one time Unfortunately, in this tragic situation, it comes true. You're taking it out of context and you're saying, wow, he had a premonition, but really what you're going up that high You're like, Oh, if I die, let my parents know that I loved them. You know, that's actually I told my kids that before I came in here

to do this podcast. And has still die, And then people will be like, he had a premonition all of a sudden, I Tehran come into the background of Dmitri Zoom. Every day I have premonitions. I'm every time I get in my car, I'm like, I'm going to die today in this car. So there's gonna be one day. But you're also an awful driver, La, So that's actually okay, I'm so sorry, please continue, how dare you please? You know, all I'll say is that none of them were my fault.

Wait are you still talking about car accidents or guylous? That hilious? And and also I just to say, this is so tragic, and I can't even imagine how his friends feel. They were sitting next to him on the ride. His friends, his parents like this is like said, this is a fourteen year old kid. He went on a trip and apparently, uh, very nice, like genuine heartfelt kid he went on a trip with his friends. Like, man, that's like, as a parent, that's what you want your

kids to go and have fun. But man, to have this stuff in your head, like you you don't stop them from doing things because of the odds of it happening. But the fact is, it does happen sometimes. And when that happens, I mean, do you remember that story at Disney if a bunch of years ago, this family was on vacation and they were watching a movie on the beach and like, the two year old son went too close to the water and an alligator jumped out and

dragged him in, and and and everybody and and people online. No, but people online were like, what's wrong with these parents letting him do this? Like, hey, how about these parents took their kids to Disney, Like if they weren't like ignoring their kids, they had the right intent. But you you just don't know when this is going to happen.

I think that if I ever have children, they're never allowed to leave the house and we're going to live in a bunker anyway, moving on, So it sounds like if you ever have a boyfriend, they're not allowed to have social media. That's kind of like, that's your m O. However, in this particular situation, I do feel very very sad for the parents because this is a fourteen year old boy.

This is a fourteen year old who has the tragic laws of life in this manner, and that the concept is at this point it doesn't matter whose fault it is, simply because how do you replace your child, the person you have placed all your hopes and fears and and future inside. So it's just a it's a horrible situation. I do want to point out one external factor that we forgot or neglected to mention. It did happen in Florida, where it seems like a lot of these kind of

situations tend to happen. Just saying and let's not one last thing, let's not gloss over a brand new ride in two and they said there were plastic harnesses, Like what is that? Don't don't build rides with plastic harnesses that go up the highest of any ride in Florida. Also they hate the environment. Well, they're not throwing away the plastic harnesses, they're using the plastic the plastic can never be destroyed, So that's number one. Number two, never

say that I neglected something again, Taran. I will always I felt that because it just felt like you needed to let me know that I didn't mention it, and I felt that. But it was nice because he wrapped it up with taking a dig in Florida, which I can always get on board with, which I'm actually just

mentioning it. And I would like to say that, of all places, the fact that this happened in Florida is actually surprising because Florida is one of the epicenters of amusement park rides, so you would think that they would have much better safety features and inspectors. I do want to remind everybody that every single time you see a warning symbol or warning sign, it comes on the heels

and the backs of someone's tragic loss or death. So whenever you walk into an elevator and it says only five people and you're like, oh, let's just have six, remember there was a time there were six or seven and that elevator just fell through the shaft. And that's why we now have those warning signs on all those elevators. Warning signs come on that heel. Whenever you see that,

just think of that. And in this case, we knew that it exceeds the limit at two and eighty five or two eighty six pounds, and we don't have exact weight measuring machines. But possibly if we had a better professional and I don't want to blame the attendant, but a better trained attendant might have been able to recognize the weight and size exceeds the limits, and we might have avoided this tragic death. I think that it's like, how do you how do you turn someone away without

embarrassing them? You know, there might have been some sort of like, oh, he's probably fine, he's like, nothing bad been. I don't want to make him feel weird in front of his friends and say no, you're too large or more embarrassing. Like it's just like, yeah, you know, it's so weird about these warning signs. It's like, now I understand why no one in my apartment building gets on the elevator when they see me. I'm just I'm wondering what notices they sent out to everyone. Yeah, they pressed

the button. I'll take the next one, you know. I'm like, what happened was specifically about you it was one incident and he's fine. They're like, guys, her picture was in the pamphlint for a reason. Does heed the warning? They're like, don't worry, she will be out of here in five months. Um. Anyway, so do you think that they should close the ride?

I think it warns an investigation, if nothing else, it definitely warns the safety investigation, especially if they're saying that the buckle was still in the harness when the ride came to completion. So they're saying the buckle was still working. So how did this six ft five and forty pound fourteen year old slipped through all the harnesses? How did that happen? Slip out? No? So what happened? Did the snap? And right now you have to remember that everybody's trying

to cover their own asks. Everybody. Anything that gets said right now is because now it's going to be used against them and if not a court of law, at least a civil trial. Thank you lawyer. I know, like I was cool with the nemesis and thing before, but now he's like smart and funny, and I'm like, what does that mean? What am I now? Um? You're sometimes to Yeah, that's my happy place. Okay, all right, I think it's time for us to move on because Tehran

starts speaking legally and it made us feel inferior. I'm just saying, we'll see and I know this, and you have to understand that this, this legal, this legal civil suit is going to set a precedent for these many rides. Disney settles a lot of civil suits out of court. Disney is also very much responsible for our copyright laws in this country, but a lot of our liability UH insurance claims. Also because it's one of the largest largest

providers of amusement rides. So we will see how this sets up, especially in a place that is a hub, an epicenter of amusement parts, which is Orlando. That is what Orlando is known for, and more importantly, it's known for its tourism. The effects of this can have leading effects on the economy there in many ways which we are not prepared to understand at this time. Who wants to go to that park? Now, who wants to ride that ride? That ride shutting down causes a cost, and

we'll see how that works out in place. I I thought she was going to pay you a compliment. I no, no, no, That's how I compliment his by letting him know he spoke for a very long time. No, but I think Disney is also responsible for me thinking that I will one day marry a prince, and so I hate that that's a but that's because you've been looking at the

stories incorrectly. Cinderella is literally a story about a girl who falls in love with a guy who has no idea what she looks like when she takes her makeup off. That's literally what the story is. I mean, I think we've seen it that Love is Blind on Netflix. Isn't that the same thing? Basically every l a love store. We're moving on, all right, this hot topic, very hot, almost too hot to discuss. A woman is arrested for shooting another woman twice after a fight over a wig.

A woman is behind bars after Memphis police say she shot at another woman twice after a fight over a wig. The incident happened on March twenty six, just four days ago. According to an offid David, the victim, identified Arta via Buying hum as the person who shot at her. Buying him allegedly fired two shots after a fight about a wig. Police said the shots hit the victims. Buick verano On voluntarily went to the police station for an interview. She

confessed to shooting at the victim twice. After the fight, she was arrested in charge with aggravated assault. I feel like I just read the same sentence eight times. But basically, one woman shot another woman twice over a wig? Okay? What did this wig look like? Was it super expensive? Did she steal it from her? Why is this happening? And also is the victim okay? Ah? What is happening in Memphis? I'm about to go get hair extensions later and I'm like, if someone gonna try to rip them

out of my head? Possibly, it depends on where you get these extends. Beverly Hills. So definitely, yes, yeah, I mean crime is high right now in l A. What most devicious people I know live in Beverly Hills? Yeah, and I know them all. And but those are the white color crimes? Are there? Where does wig wig color crimes? I wasn't going there, but thank you here, welcome the nenture. Do you guys can care about this case? I think, to be honest, this is this is just a heated thing,

Like I think it's stupid. I don't think like not talking about it. I think it's stupid that somebody potentially could have killed someone over of a wig, so obviously that you chalked this up to just like craziness. I guess I don't know why we're stealing wigs or why we're getting that heated over wigs, and I don't have hair, so but I'm not taking anybody down for some what if she saw or maybe she thought she saw hair is from the wig at her boyfriend's place, And it

wasn't really about the wig at all, was it. I just wanted to make it a crime of passion. It is a crime of passion in a way if you think about it. So what it is is this is a fight that stemmed over a wig, but it leads and it bleeds into more. It stems over the wig. But we've all been in a situation where something smaller minute leads to a much larger, heated reaction. And we're actually going to talk about something like that a little bit later. But the concept is, this wasn't shooting over

the wig. It's not like give me my wig. And these were complete strangers. These were two friends who there's a lot to unpack there and it just went too far and someone's reaction was one that on befit the crime or situation at hand. So potentially a misleading headline. I mean, I don't know if it was a misleading headline, but headlines are created to get us to click them. Well, headlines are created because that's where wigs are in your head and anyway, so we're just gonna move right along

because I'm canceled from comedy. Okay, this next story is very troubling and heartbreaking, So I didn't mention it earlier on when I was telling you what's happening this episode because it's just so heartbreaking. So two teen cousins have been found dead after a horrific incident occurred during an Instagram live while they were playing with a gun. The incident happened in Missouri at around two in the morning

on Friday. The St. Louis Police identified the children as twelve year old Paris Harvey and her fourteen year old cousin, Karen Harvey. Both are from St. Louis. They were pronounced dead at the scene and the police have deemed it an incident they said a murder suicide, but it is more of just a tragic accident. So apparently they were making a video and Paris dropped the gun. It fell, it went off, and then I think she tried to pick it up, and she picked it up by the

barrel and it went off. And so it was kind of a freak accident, is what they're saying it was. It wasn't an intentional murder suicide. And Miss Harvey said that she didn't know who owned the gun and she didn't know how her daughter got ahold of it. So, Dmitri, as a parent, do you think twelve years old and four years old is too old to pay attention to what your kids are doing in the house? And if the doors closed, are you checking in on them? Are you well? What? What? What do you put your take

on this? My my take on it is no, it's never kids are never too old to check on them, especially you know the doors closed, you wonder what they're doing. But this has nothing to do with two kids being in a room with the door closed and not being checked on. This. This goes and by I want to be clear, I'm not blaming these parents. I don't know anything about them, but but parenting goes beyond a moment of should I have checked on them? Parenting is the

whole time leading up to that as well. Right, So there's talks about guns. There's talks about however that gun got there. I don't know, but there's talks about what is appropriate and what what is safe and things that you should be doing, and it should never It should be that these kids wouldn't think, wouldn't want to even try playing with a gun for Instagram live video. How did they not know that a gun came into their house? We don't know the situation or this family, this family,

this family. Does it mean that they all brought guns. It could have been one family member who brought a gun and it was for their their protection, whether it's in their personal or professional lives, or they just felt safe for having a gun. It's like, let's also remember this happened, and this happened in in St. Louis. Yeah, so this is a place where St. Louis has a high crime rate. It's a it's a city where you know, a lot of people do feel they need to protect themselves.

It's not always a viable way to get a legal gun. Some people have to go the route depending on their backgrounds or their own personal options. So I don't want to judge where that gun came from. And I'm not I'm not an opponent of the Second Amendment. I do think we do need this is this goes to why we need stricter gun laws, why we need stricter gun laws, and we need redding, and we need to be aware of that. That's the other thing that comes to mind

is gun safety. I'm not saying it's wrong to have a gun. I'm not saying it's wrong to bring a guns them where However, especially if you're going to be around children. I know people in l A who have guns and they keep them in safe where they have codes on them. You know, the gun is for a very specific use at a specific time, and under no other circumstances is it being brought out. And by the time you get the safe, by the way, you're already.

But there are strict laws where you have to lock them up, you have to lock them up and things like that, especially in California, especially in Los Angeles. Well yeah, but I mean crime rates are so high here that who's really locking after guns? You know, That's the funny thing. In Los Angeles, crime rates are high, and now we have this, we have this ring of criminals who are going around robbing people. However, because of the strict gun laws, if you do fire a gun or protect yourself, you're

going to get in trouble. And this has happened to several people that have done so. So it's a very interesting situation that comes to play. But in this part particular situation, there is a question of gun safety. There is a question of why two children were able to have a gun, find a gun, and play with a gun, and to do so well live and no one to no one to admonish them or even critique them on live. That says a lot about us as well. It says a lot about you know, whoever was watching. No no

one was like, why don't do this? Don't play? Don't They might have been we don't know, we didn't see the transcript. It might have been. But they also don't know. They don't know is it a real gun, isn't loaded? I mean, there's so many factors that go into this.

But I agree with you. If I saw that, if if for some reason I saw a video and I saw two kids or two people playing with a gun, improperly, I would say something, but you know, clearly, as you can read any news headline or any story on the Internet, you'll know that there's tons of different types of people in the world, and they might have thought it was a fake gun. You know. I feel like the lines are so blurred between reality and reality. It's like I

don't even know what's really anymore. And that actually feels a lot like what happened with Will Smith and Chris Rock, which will get into in just a second. Right after this break and we're back, Welcome back to real time crime. I hope you did not commit a crime while listening to that advertisement. I just want to say I also have Tehron's number memorized just in case I do get in trouble that I know that he will get me out of jail. And is that true or false? I'm

the best I'm look, I'm not sure. Hey, what's up? Friend? And that's not who I am. I am not what you do in friends. I am the if something goes down, some ship goes down, I'm the best person to call to help you out, or if you want to play a pickup game listen, and I believe it and I'm not. I don't consider myself like a Hollywood type of guy, but I just became one. Is If I ever got in trouble, they say, do you want to call your lawyer? And I go, no, I want to call this guy.

I was on a podcast with the one you call. You call that is a real thing. So I'm there for you. I am there for you now, Dmitri, oh boy. And speaking of being there for each other, Hollywood did not have each other's back this past weekend at the Oscars. You all already know about this, but now it's our take here on Real time crime. So if you don't know, you're living under a rock and wake up. Hello, are

you Okay? It's pandemics over and Will Smith akers Rocker hit each other on national television International to not hitting not hitting each other, not hitting each other? All right, okay, back back back, I'll backtrack. Um. During the Oscars on Sunday, Will Smith stunned the Dolby foter crowd and viewers at home when he took the stage during Chris Rock's remarks.

After Commedie made a joke about Jada will Smith's wife, he said, Jada, I love you, g I Jane two can't wait to see it, and the joke touched a nerve and Will Smith walked onto stage, slapped Chris across the face, went back to his seat, kept yelling keep my wife's name out of your sin mouth. Jada has a shaved head, but mostly because she has alopecia, and I guess that was diagnosed. The joke wasn't particularly funny, it was very dated. I didn't even know she had alopecia.

I mean, they're now launching an investigation, and Will Smith did apologize publicly to Chris Rock, and Chris Rock did not press charges. What what's everyone's take? At first? I thought my first thought was I gotta get to Twitter, and then I couldn't stop tweeting. I literally was like, joke, joke, joke, joke, I can't stop, but mostly because I thought it was staged. And then my second thought was, is Chris Rock promoting

something soon? Though still some people still do think of stage right and as a comedian, it's terrifying that anyone could just come on stage and assault you and no one does anything about it, and win an award and get a standing ovation twenty minutes later. I mean, talk about highest high and low is low within twenty minute period. But I'm also of the school of thought where it's very interesting to watch to a list celebrities get into a legitimate fight in front of the entire world and

have no one know how to react. Not one person knew. Why would anyone know what to do? Why would anyone expect this to happen? And honestly, I feel like we make a huge deal of this. This was interesting, it was shocking, it was funny, it was horrible, and we move on. I thought it was great. I thought it was great. It was let's be very honest. None of us were watching the Oscars before this happened. None. Why do I know what coda is? Why do I know

all the words of the song there in Kantos songs? Why? Why did I looked up Belfast? Okay, the only reason I did so is simply because Will Smith smacked Chris Rock live at the Oscars. I'm so sorry. It was just great television. And even Chris Rock himself says right after it happens, after they're a little bit of back and forth, this is the greatest night in television history. Will Smith just smacked the ship out of me. This is the greatest night in television history. Hey, Kanye Wess,

Taylor Swift, hold my beer, Hold my beer. This is the greatest night in television history. Right here. Also this is in the Academy started disciplinary proceedings against Will Smith today, and expulsion is on the table according to variety, which would be which would be out of bounce, which would be completely out of bounce. How So, because first of all, this is this is the reason, how likely is this

to happen again? It's extremely unlikely to have happened. That to happen, right, it was extremely unlikely to happen in the first place, and even more exponentially extremely to have happen again. Number two, take the source. This isn't Gucci Man who went on stage and smacked Chris Rock in the face. Okay, this is Will Smith. If Will Smith hasn't built up enough human currency in order to be forgiven at some point, then none of us are saying.

And so I'm not saying. I'm not saying lock him up, and clearly there's no charges being just lock him up, you can. And Will Smith, he's a nice guy. He's a nice guy. He's got money he's the fresh prince. He shouldn't have any penalties. I'm not saying, to be very fair, he has a huge penalty. His first oscar Win is marred forever and overshadowed by his momentary lapse

of judgment and his reaction. And this is a person whose brand means more to him than anything else, because he's done such a great job of building such a fine, such a wonderful friendly image and streaming it and it's not being performative a lot of young fans. And let's be honest, the academy dropped the ball by by nothing happening, by him going back to his seat and sitting there.

There should have been something. What should have they should have taken No, they should have escorted him out of the out of the area. And if he won, he wins, and he hears about it on from a from a text and he zooms in. I disagree with I disagree with that assessment. I think that this was this was a momentary labs of judgment. It's between two people who not only have a friendship but a history, and honestly, Chris rock wasn't a person who was If Chris Rockets

said I don't feel safe. I want will Smith out of here. That would be different. But he did know such things, as far as we know from every account, he did know such things. He understood the situation, and even though he was clearly not happy with the situation, no one is happy with getting smacked in the face. However, they were both people and it was between two individuals. The only reason we're having this discussion right now is

because it happened on live television under a microscope. And all of us who hate being judged, by the way, because I personally I live in a glass house and I'm not without saying so I hate coustin stones. All of us love judging what happened. Now do I condone what will Smith did not? At all? Will Smith was wrong, period. There is no justification for what he did whatsoever. In fact, as a child, we learned to keep our hands to ourselves.

He should have never done that. However, However, understanding understanding something is different than condoning it. And this played out, so you're not you're not a fan of of said it? So he said an example to people. Right. His son even tweeted out, that's how we do it. So he said an example to all his young fans. So with no real repercussion besides, oh the agony of having my Oscar Win tainted? Are you okay with with no example

being said? The oscars? They dropped the ball too. I'll get it's no, but not no one's cleaning this whole thing. But do you think with no repercussion that's a safe way to proceed? Are you not a fan of leading by example? So as a as a comedian, and when comedians bring up, oh, now, should we be afraid of people coming up on stage and hitting us? First of all, I'd like to say, uh. And a lot of quote unquote urban comedy rooms, unfortunately, things that this nature tend

to happen sometimes, and it's a horrible situation. That's number one. Never is the person of Will Smith, And a lot of mainstream comedy rooms things like this tend to happen. So this isn't like comedians haven't dealt with something like this, and it's a horrible, horrible situation. Anyone who uses this as a precedent or an excuse to now feel safe to do this was just looking for an excuse. The only person we should all be afraid of as all the means say, is Kanye Now that Kanye thinks this

is okay, Pete Davidson should duck and hide. But other than that, to be very fair, most of us will never ever endure something like this because most people understand. And this isn't like it was a random joke by a random comedian to a random person, but this is people who have a history. Now, if I was on stage, I said something very personal to Lea Lamar and for

Leah didn't didn't know about Jada's alopecia. But most of us in that form and that in that trending culture and zite guys, we all knew about it because she's been very vocal about it and how much it's hurt her. Most of us need to be fair. I don't know about any celebrity drum or any celebrity conditions like I don't really follow along, which I completely understand, and that's and that's the thing. But Chris Rock is a very knowledgeable comedian and and once again I don't think Chris

Rock was wrong. I'm not a fan of it's too soon, you can't make a joke about that. I'm not a fan of that at all. That is how the freedom of speech works. If you do not believe in the freedom of speech for those you disdain, you do not believe in the freedom of speech. However, freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences, and in this case the consequence was not justifiable whatsoever. However, the punishment punishing Will Smith now even more will do what do they

want to find him? I completely understand the fine. If two NBA players get into a fight, we find them. We don't ban one or expel one for the rest of their lives for something that you do, expel them for the rest of the season. The malice in the palace, those guys were that's because they took on and beat up fans. They beat up like thirty people. Technically, technically, Chris Rock was there doing his job. However, this is

the thing. If Will Smith had went and started beating up people in the state, I would say, you're right, this is a menace. If he started beating up security when they came to detain him, I would say, you're right. This is two basketball players, two people on the field who got into an altercation. And just because you're not used to seeing that between these two people, or or or in this particular situation, uniform. Yes. And here's the

thing I agree with you. I do. I've never looked at this like, oh my god, now comedians are gonna like it's open season on comedians. I've never I haven't seen it, looked at this and thought that. But where I come from is it is a different perspective here is that. Okay, Chris Rock was was bullied growing up, and granted, people say, well, he comes out slinging jokes that people find But as I said, these people have fans.

Will Smith has fans, right, he has young fans this and that, and by the way, trigger stuff, Okay, I think less people are were, at least from my perspective, a majority of the people that I know were more enraged by the fact that he got up, accepted as award and played a victim I'm protecting my family, and he got a standing ovation and then he went into and he used trigger phrases for domestic violence. Right, love

will make you do crazy things. How many women that have been abused by their husband have been told that afterwards? Like that's I think what what got people. It wasn't so much that if he slapped him and then they were like, okay, well that's over. But when he got up and played the victim, I think it hit a lot of people the wrong way. Yeah. I also just want to quickly interrupt um this crime of passion about

to happen between the two of you. But apparently Variety said that the Academy asked Will Smith to leave and he refused. I think it's interesting that they didn't force him to leave, they asked him to leave. The thing. The other thing is that Will Smith has built up enough social grace at this point and trust with not only the Academy in the entertainment industry, but also with the world at large that I don't think you just say Will Smith, you have to leave. I think you

say Will Smith, would you mind leaving? And then he says no, and then you say, okay, I guess we did our part the academy. The Academy is saying this after the fact. We don't know who asked or how it was asked or and Will Smith refusing. Was it like, hey, Will do you want to come outside? And it's like no, I'm cool, and that was their understanding. We don't know the phrasing. We don't know everything, and you did have Denzel and Bradley Cooper talking to him and be like, Okay,

he's the calm, he's calmed down. Like so you don't know. And it goes back to that amusement park thing you talked about. Sometimes you got this person, it's like, hey, you can't do this, and then you get nervous and like we all sit back and think, oh, yeah, I would have told him to leave. Well you wouldn't. I wouldn't have looked at Will Smith and been like, I'm gonna drag you out of here, because shop you're probably intimidated.

It's Will Smith. He just had Denzel and Bradley Cooper in the corner of the ring being like, all right, you ready for round two. That's that's how We'll Noah made it. When someone invites me into their A list celebrity circle to comfort them after they've publicly assaulted another celebrity, I do think that no goals, you gonna have them. No, it's the thing. I do think that Will Smith is facing his own form of punishment. He knows what he

was doing was wrong. As for Jaden, I mean for for us to use Jaden's word For all we know, Jaden was listening to the song this is how we do it. I don't know. I don't want to put that out there. However, let's assumed that Jaden was tweeting about this, you know why, because that's his mom. For us, it's just Jada Pinkett. That's his mom. That's his mom.

And when people say, well, look, he used this trigger trigger phrase honestly, or was he using a phrase that's a calm and love will make you do crazy things if you say something in a sweet way, and it's kind of like if you take something out of context. That's why content is. If you take something out of context, it's not just content. If you have a grandparent who's like,

come here, I love you. You're so sweet and I want to kiss you all over, and then you take that same and it's like, hey, I love you, I want to kiss you all over. You're like, oh, look at this, look at this criminal pedophile, while on the other hand, it's just a sweet grandmother. I'm not saying what he said was premeditated. What I'm saying is that is what I think has gotten people like I think to see that happen, and then for him to play a victim and have and have some people be like, oh,

he looked at me as being a defender. It's like that's tough for some people to swallow. And I think that's I don't think the anger has been like okay, open season on comedians, no no holds bar, no rules. I think it's like, oh, he did something he shouldn't have done. He did something that's wrong, and then he took his other angle and then he went dancing to his own song at the after party. There was no remorse. So I think that's why. What did you want? You

want him to cry in the car? You wanted to send a cry in the car. Let's not. Let's not do that, because all of us have done something bad and then gone to seven eleven in an hour after that, like none of us just sit around. And he didn't go to seven eleven. He put the party, he won an oscar, and there's nothing you can do with I'll be I'll be honest if that was me, If that was me, maybe I would go to the party, maybe,

but I would probably be pretty somber. I would be feeling pretty shitty about what I did, especially if I spent my whole career, building up to an image and shattered it. Did you see everything he did? The whole party? You saw? So you saw all three hours he was at the park. That's not what I said. That's not what I said. You saw one moment where people might have been like, hey, will come on, man, let's wait, and then he starts celebrating. And when he's where that

there's cameras everywhere. A man up his entire career to look to be be so good and be so I'm sorry. I'm just so against this. And I have a lot of different different situations scenarios because I think there's a cultural component in this and this that a lot of quote unquote mainstream America is not taking into account. This was street. This was street behavior that you haven't seen in your lives on and it shouldn't have been on TV.

And this wasn't the place and time and for people that you don't think are street, but they kind of are, regardless if you know this about them or not. This was This was also something even when he said keep my wife's name out your now, that's something that's a common phrasing. People are like picking on that phrasing. Why would it. I can't. That's something that is said within the especially in a hip hop in the hip hop community,

and in the black community. It's something that's said regardless of if everyone else in America is aware of it or not. And his behavior. I hate looking at someone and going look at this liver. We know everything about this person. Will Smith, if anything has should have at least earned our our benefit of the doubt. Hey Will Smith and let him speak on it, which he did. He apologized there and then the next day he apologized to Chris Rock. And that's something we would do because

of what we're all human. And I will tell you something, Dmitri, to be honest to me, this was an incident that happened and we all watched and it was interesting. This says way more about us as people than it does about because us and how we're judging and how we're looking, and how we're so quick to condemn, and how we're so quick to throw daggers and darts and place blame and just be like this happened, and this happened, and we all know all of these things has a lot

to say about us. There are people who are like, for felony assault, then you don't know what a felony is. Okay, So all of these things put into perspective. This is television. We call it show business, and this was just a part of show business. And to be honest, the only investigation the Academy show have is how they can have something like this happened every year because it was great

for their show. It was great for their show. And while the Academy is so busy investigating this, I want them to investigate Oscar so White, which is a part of it, because let's be honest, there are times where people of color, And do I think that Will Smith should have even won an Oscar for King Richard? No? I watched King Richard. Clearly he's like maybe the fifth best actor in that movie. This was not the performance.

This was his training day to Denzel's Academy Award win where it's like, not for this all the maybe Malcolm X, maybe Hurricane, maybe Philadelphia, but not for this. So do I think that Will Smith should have won? No? But with Oscar so White, and we have that situation and people don't realize it's overshadowing that that's something we should

be talking about a lot more. Plus On top of that, not Latin X community and Asian communities aren't being fairly given Oscars either, especially the Latin X community, which should be the most mad because the award is called the Oscars. If there was an award called the Jamal's and black people didn't win, I'd be Hella, Matt. I'd be like, are you serious? We can't even win a Jamal? We

can't even win a Jamal? Yes, um, no comment, but I will say if there was an award show called the Goldberg's and no Jews one, I would have been I'm just saying, how mad, how mad? How matt should Jewish people be all the time? We're mad all the time about everything. Yeah, I'm mad when I see movies which are supposed to be about Jewish people and somehow the main person. How many times have I talked about Masiel? I can't. I can't keep talking about this. I need

a new storyline. Also, just so everyone knows, Tehran is Jewish and he's the one who drags me to synagogue. That is also true story. I would not go to temple if it wasn't for him. That's number one. Number two. Just a quick side note, Chris Rock is going to be performing in Boston tonight and a lot of people are wondering if he's going to speak on the incident. What do you guys think? I think Chris Rock Will I think Chris Rock. Knowing Chris Rock. There are no phones,

there are no videos allowed. They take your phones when you go in. W Smith Rose jokes. I don't think there'll be Rose chokes. But he's going to say something. I don't think he's going to go in. I think he has a lot of respect for Will Smith. And even though this was a horrible incident, I'm telling you as a person who slaps a person once a month, I'm letting you know that you can be best friends.

We're not talking about just in the bedroom. By the way, just to let you all know, Lea Lamar on her Instagram has one of the funniest videos in regards to the Will Smith Chris Rock smack that I have seen online. And there have been a lot of funny things on you go on. What was the video about? It was very funny. You have to go watch it. Just go watch it. Just go to at Lea Lamar and you will find it. And I'm telling you right now as horrible as this was for one comedian, it was amazing.

For the rest of us, it was amazing for comedy. I also just have to say, by the way, a lot of people mixing the situation low key abop, like this is low key abop. I don't know what else to say. You know, it's crazy. There's somebody who's going to lose their virginity to that song. I just want to let you know. Oh my god, I think Chris will talk about it. I don't. I don't think he's gonna go in I don't think he's gonna go in

and roast yet. I know. I think he'll do some I think it'll be good stuff, but I think it'll be very uh, just around the edges. Yeah. He hasn't made a comment. He hasn't come out. Even there was a there was a type of a statement that was circulating and his pr came out and vehemently denied that it was from him. He has not made a single statement, not a single comment on this situation, And I honestly think that's what's best because right now Chris Rock is winning.

Chris Raw is winning his sold out show. By the way, he already sells out, they're selling out even more. Chris Rock is winning and his this is what I said. My first thought is what is he promoting? Because he's going to start annihilating sales Chris Rock. And that's the thing I always I'm telling the other comedians, because I'll see comedians and it'll be like open my comedians who were like, oh no, people are gonna hit me. I'm like, you're not really funny enough for anyone to get up

and smack you in the face. Now, if they get up, it's because they're leaving to go someplace because you are so unfunny. I mean. I also remember seeing Chris Rock when I was a kid and his HBO special. I just remember him laughing at his own jokes, and he was in this beautiful black suit, and I remember thinking, I'm too young to be watching this and this is inappropriate, but I couldn't look away, and I remember saying, Wow,

he's the funniest person on the earth. By the way, the big takeaway, how about the fact that he's fifty seven years old and he took the smack like a champions. Whether it's the boat chops in him or the New York City he took this night like a champ. Now right back up, stayed professional, made a joke and then still made a comment on it and kept it moving, and then went into introducing me a warrant and he was stumbled a little. But he's the definition of the

show must go on. I think that is years and years and years and years and years of experience. Or also, Will Smith is trauma trauma like six ft two muscles like it's not it's not like. I don't know if this was instead of Chris Rocket, was Dwayne the Rock, like would Will Smith has still done the same thing?

I don't know, possibly because at that moment, you know, and there's a lot of speculation of Will laughing and then what happened between the laugh and getting Jada and looking at her look and you know, I don't like to blame Jada for things, but well, I mean, that's your wife, though that's his wife. They've been married for better or for worse, and for whatever. We love to judge the Red Table conversations ridge twenty five years and whether they're happy or not, that's not for us to judge.

But they have figured it out in twenty five years. In Hollywood, is two thousand five years anywhere. This is still death do them part. So to my discredit, I turned to my wife at that moment. I said, listen, I gotta be honest. If someone said that about you, I wouldn't get up. And but also I think we have to know that Will didn't actually want to do damage, because if you wanted to, he would have punched him. He would have. And and I'll tell you something very real.

Leah and I are very close friends. If someone said something to Leah that was I felt like out of line or disrespectful. And I'm not saying this. I don't want any labels of what this would come from. But I would smack the ship out of them. And that's a real thing. And I and that's when you punch them. And I'm noticing that, you know, because punching, punching is that's actually what people don't. They're like, he smacked him,

he should have punched him. Actually punching his way, it's it's more aggressive and assault like and it's way less disrespectful. And what Will Smith was trying to do was get

a point across. And that's when, once again, in that street mentality, you slap someone in the face and you've heard it's it's actually a phrase that said, it's something that's said in conjunction, would keep bleep in certain names out of your mouth like it's really it's really what I would like to term street behavior, and I don't like giving. And it's not race. It's not a race. It's not black culture because this would happen in the streets of Idaho and Alabama and anywhere where there's a

lack of black people as well. So this is it's part of the street culture where Les Philadelphia born and raised. If his mom sent him to bell Air for the one little fight, I don't know where his mom's gonna send him now. But well, I was in bel Air last night and I was afraid Will Smith was going to smack the ship out of me. As yeah, I'm not afraid. But what I got out of your little diet tribe is that you won't go to jail for me. So good day, sir. If he goes to jail, he

won't admit it. As we saw before we talk, I will never talk to about why. I will never talk about why. No one shook jail is not cool, it's not fun. It's not a rite of passage. There's nothing good about jail. I was there for a month, you know. The The one thing I do feel like, it's not

this is a different episode. The one thing I feel that that we did miss and and just from a comedic standpoint, is at the very end, right before Chris Rock went back to his thing, he went, yeah, and knowing how Chrick, how quick Chris is, you know, he had something that he wanted, a joke they were never

gonna hear. He had august alsin a joke. He had like fifty jokes, and honestly, that's the one thing that's a comedian I'm sure anguished them the most is when he went home and thought about all the things he he he definitely could have said and didn't. So on my take, it's like Chris Rock was not wrong, but could have been better. Will Smith was definitely wrong and

should have been better. And then of all people, Jada Pinkett was right, and all these things just went left and we should just do you believe that Amy Schumer wrote that joke? That's the word on the street. I don't think Amy Schumer writes a lot of jokes, So for her to have written that joke. No, honestly, honestly, that the whole the behind the stage. And once again all the people were like, well, I researched and I know. And it's like, no, you don't. You're a Google works

just as well as my Google. We're all just googling this and learning things, second, third, fourth hand. None of us know the truth or what really happened or even their mindsets, let alone any of these intimate facts that people are using as evidence against or for them. Right, can we just say it was a bad joke. It wasn't a great joke joke. I didn't even honestly get it. That was funny. I thought it was funny, but not amazing. It was like I get it, and you know what

made it funny. And Chris rock knew is when he threw it away, he said, hey, it's it's a g I. Jane Jogglee is like, this isn't bad. This isn't a bad one. Like he's like, I'm poking fun at something. And for people who are like he made fun of the way she looked he did it. Jane has strong, beautiful and bald, and Jada Pinkett Smith a strong beautiful in bold, and that's where that it's not actually a dig unless you take it that way. But once again,

I don't know what goes on in their homes. I don't know if Jada Pinkett has been crying and been hurt and fragile and insecure and distraught and destroyed over this. And I'm her husband who's been there and the and she's the mother of my children. And it's been twenty five years and Chris Rock has made digs at her before and she's been like, I hate him, I hate how he does this, and then you're in the situation and you just get so deep in you can't back out. Now.

I've been in situations where I've done something where I wish I could take back, but once it's happened, it's like, Yo, this just happened. It is what it is. And now I doubled down. Now I doubled down, and this is why we're getting married. And I'm just kidding. Oh, I was saying, Yeah, she didn't get the response you wanted, and she kind of frozen every down really quickly. But that was that was real. This has been enough for It's not going to be a g I Jane too

write that was just I'm anticipating it now. By the way, during this have I mentioned how I'm black in person? And guys include conclusion for today, I didn't have a coffee yet today, which is um why I've been not being able to say words be boop. Uh. This is my Literally it says witches brew on it. And this should be a crime. No one should have a cup that says witches brew on it. Uh. My saying in the world is no coffee not working and Dmitri nos.

Anytime I've been asked to work before noon, it's a it's going to be a hard Not even two thirty was early. But I just want to say I loved watching your Lover's Quarrel today. Thank you gentlemen. It was really beautiful. I enjoyed talking a lot during that. And this has been another episode of really I'm where two men don't let one woman speak and uh, it's it's fine, Um,

it's noted at. The real crime that is the real crime of today of today's podcast is we need more men with podcast ha ha ha t Where can people find you on the internet all across the board that I am techhan and also at temples in l A with Leo Lamar. That's t e h R A N for those of you who can't see his hat. And Dmitri, where can we find you on the internet? Still not at sometimes sometimes just ad Dmitri Peppis And there's nothing exciting there unless I can share your video of your

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