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I feel like I've gotten a lot older and there's just always something every day. But how are how are you guys doing? I know being a politics podcast right now, I mean, you guys are my news network like you, you guys have news show. I legitimately listen to it because there's things I, I was like, wow, I didn't even know that was happening. You know, especially your guys recent episode with Will Hilde, there were a lot of things I was like, I had no idea that was happening.
But how are you guys doing through all of this? I mean, it's got to be something every day you guys feel the need to talk about. Awesome. Yeah, yeah, I I love Will. And if he was never checked him out, he is like. Do you hear so much about BlackRock and this and that and this is he's the guy who actually knows what they're doing. I mean, he, he's he, he, you know, right now he's probably outside. What's the Black Rock guy's
name? Fink. He's probably outside, you know, out parked outside the Fink's house. You know, they're in the 85 Caprice Classic. There's a, you know, like 45 cigarette butts next to his window. Whatever. But yeah, I don't know. It's that's an excellent point about the politics stuff. You know, we had this, we we, we had to establish that rule this year. It was like we're if we talk about everything that's reported in the news about Trump, there's not that's. That's all you do.
So like something has to actually happen, you know, the the penis has to cross the plane to, to, to be considered population basically, because otherwise he, you know, he he says all kinds of crazy stuff and yeah, you could chase everything down. I mean, that's kind of, I mean, he's that's kind of worked on the libs. I mean, I think he basically does that, you know, to them.
Yeah, I've always said I've, I've had a, an alternate reality that I've, I've always want to say like to really, if we're going to maximize AI, which I'm kind of not super into, but if it's here, it's here. I would just say there's, there's a few people I know that would willingly sign up for the sign up for this Soylent Green thing where you stay alive. I'm not advocating for any genocide or anything. But you, you put on goggles and you just watch Trump get
arrested all the time. And like everybody else just handles business, like everybody else just goes and lives their life. Because I, I know people that just sit around and we have two poster presidents right now. You know, we have, we have Vice President Vance and Donald Trump. So it's like when there's two poster presidents, like something is always happening. And especially if you hate them, you know, like that is like all day, you get like a feed of them.
And I just I kind of think for some people, they would rather live in that world. But you, you make a good point of what you guys are saying, like, let's wait for something actually to happen. But that's kind of weird when it's like you have people panicking, right?
I know that's kind of a big, big word on on our sphere right now where anytime something happens, people will be maximalist in terms of, oh, this is the one, this is the one that that screws everything up. You know, this is the, this is the one. So how do you guys not panic I guess? Exposure just just had long term exposure to this stuff eventually just got you.
I I when if if I'm talking to somebody and they want to talk about whatever the new thing on Fox News is it it it's like I know I can't do it because I've seen I've seen it too many times. You, you feel the ebb and flow of the, of the garbage that gets presented to normal people. And you reach a point where it's like, yeah, yeah. Well, I think the, the, the nothing ever happens meme guys have it right? Like your default assumption should always be nothing ever happens.
And then you'll be pleasantly surprised. It's kind of a, it's like, it's like a reverse black pill or it's like, but it's also kind of like on a parallel universe of black pill. Because it's not like only it's not like nothing ever happens. It's a bad thing. It's like, hey, nothing happened. That's kind of good. Yeah, I mean, there's 300 million people here, like, well, you know, yeah. Promise maybe? The admission number is like 330. Now this there's probably, of
course, 400 million people here. You know it like there things just change really, really, really slow. Everything is, you know, the economy like, you know, economically everything is, you know, leveraged against each other. And then in this way there's insurance on absolutely everything. Certainly, you know, the bottom will fall out of society one day, but it'll have to like all go at once. So it'll be the kind of thing that you don't have to worry
about it, but it like. Things, things don't go slowly. By the way, what happened is people have gotten technology has made people's expectations go crazy. Like if, if you're living, I don't know, 80 years ago, whatever the, the hot off the press is the morning newspaper, That's your, that's your IV drip for information. And it was like wireless radio could let you, you hear it not 24 hours a day, but a lot. And then television and then 24 hour news network and then social media.
And some people are just hooked into, well, I say some people like we're, we're all, we're all Twitter politics guys. We we literally have these entertainment programs talking about it. Everybody's hooked into this now, you know, like my mom's a a nice boomer lady and she's looking at Twitter and Facebook and true. Well, I don't think she looks at true social, but yeah, she said no. All that nobody can escape it. It has made us speak information, speed demons.
Everybody wants everything that happened now. I mean, this is not it. That's not a novel concept. People have been complaining about that my entire life, but I think that it has legitimately the the social media has legitimately accelerated the process to the point where it might be it, it might be becoming unhealthy for people mentally and physically, but I don't know that there's anything
you can do about that. I think involvement with like one of the things that I think a lot of people don't really take into account is like, so I personally, I love politics. I love it. I, I, I would, I, I do. And I, I think there's a lot of people who they probably, they don't, they're very interested in, you know, the outcomes and stuff like that, which I, I totally get that.
But, you know, it's like there's probably guys who you know the, I don't know if you, I know you guys are sports guys. I think he's become more popular lately. But I knew him when he was a poker player. The guy Harabolus Bulgaris. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bill, he's about Bill Simmons a lot back in the day, yeah. Yeah, he was nowhere near doing that when I when, when he was in my world, the poker world. I mean, he, he, you know, he, he made millions, many, many millions cracking this NBA code.
Long story short, they used to Vegas. They did not update the betting lines at halftime. So like. Yeah. No one else found this out so you would literally just wait till halftime and that would give him enough edge to maximally bet. He made a zillion dollars, but you know he would be betting on lots like WNBA games and stuff like that. Yeah, I remember that. So he's highly, highly, highly invested in the outcome of this game, but he's not interested in watching the game.
I think a lot of people are like that. I am interested in the game. I've, I have volunteered for the Republican and Democrat Party. I've worked, I worked the voting at the precinct, like every single time I had my own precinct and stuff like that. I, I love politics. I think not everybody is. There's a lot of people you always think of like these Q people and stuff like that. I just like, I'm just like binding my lip. Like, why don't you like? Why don't you try?
Out politics like you don't have like like you, you could go volunteer your local party or something and like see if you like it because you're burning a lot of calories doing stuff that's like it's not really politics, but you could. That's one thing that's like, I think a lot of people don't have a hard time figuring out like what is politics?
So like, you know, if the Supreme Court get is in session and they're, they're making statements, you know, you, you, you probably do want to pay attention to that. If there's a bill that's in Congress, you don't have to worry about that shit because there's not nothing gets passed anymore. Things get passed through budget reconciliation, stuff like that. You know, it is hard to tell because I don't know it is. But the last two presidents have
It's not even that. They're just unfurling a scroll and doing executive orders by by Fiat. Like that's, that's the most basic level, the level of politics the the monarch. The monarch has a proclamation gathered around. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I, we, I don't know if we've talked about this before, but certainly when I was a little kid, it was pretty obvious that I don't know, I don't know if this is one of these things that
was for all time. I, I, I certainly doubt, I assumed that lots of people are interested in politics in the late 60s or stuff like that. But when I was a little kid, it was pretty obvious that politics was a niche interest. Like people being heavily interested in politics. People like my grandma, like she would decide who she's going to vote for the day before the election. There was no real party loyalty at all.
Politics. People were you would watch C-SPAN, which is like, I watched it as a kid, and it's just now it's gone mainstream. But it's like, yeah, I could see like, you know, they had to change Star Wars to make it appeal to the broader audience rather than just nerds and stuff. I don't know if you know the, the I don't know if you can, you can tune up. We know what Congress does enough to appeal to a broad audience. I mean, you, you just have to run these fake stories and stuff.
Most people you, you wouldn't watch these span like I would. I don't think that makes me better or not. It's just a, it's, it's a, it's a bizarre interest. I, I don't think it's, it's super important in to people's individual lives in ways that they think it is. You have to. Tune up Congress. Just watch Idiocracy. It's possible. Well, and you and you and you know, you, you brought up sports
earlier. It's kind of like somebody who shows up to watch the game on Sunday versus somebody who cares about the damn NFL draft, you know what I'm saying? Like like, like that, like the nuts and bolts, like the actual stuff that anybody else would go. Who cares? What time does the game start? Where are we watching it, you know, or something like that,
like that. But everybody right now feels, I mean, you feel like it's like that with everything, like Marvel Comics. Like I had so many people. I just emerged from COVID with Marvel T-shirts randomly and I was like, oh, yeah, because you streamed everything. You, you streamed whatever the hell was on the, the, the streaming networks, Mandalorian or any of these things like these, the Disney Plus, all, all these franchises.
And these are people I knew that I'm like, man, you never mentioned no comic books when we were growing up, Like, like, what the hell? What the hell? But now with politics, everybody has everybody has an ideology. And this is not new ground. I think this is like really post, post Trump, honestly, I think Trump was the one thing where everybody woke up and goes what? That guy's president, Like that's crazy.
Like I'm going to start paying attention to politics now because that guy, the guy from the TV when I was a kid is, is the president and I, I, it's for the, it's not for the better, I don't think like it's not for the better, but it's kind of inevitable. And the reason I bring this up and unfortunately Psy can't be here tonight. He's, he's got a, he's got some family stuff going on. It's all good stuff, guys. So if you guys are speculated,
it's all good things. But nonetheless, he's, he's busy, but he, him and I have been talking and he has had some opposite. He's a, he's a principled man. This guy's a principled man. I mean, he, I mean, there isn't a container. He doesn't read the backup before he eats it there. He's, you know, just just as principled as it gets. I think Paul, the game politics to him sucks where you make concessions, you make deals,
you, you do all of this. And the reason I say all that right now is when the bill came out, the big beautiful bill, he was like, there's a lot of horse shit in there is what he said, You know, and I'm like, yeah, no, there is. And then, you know, with the Epstein stuff, he's like, well, why would they announce the Epstein thing? Like, why would they announce with the whole like Cash Patel?
And why would Trump use that as any sort of campaign thing if he wasn't going to actually, you know, pursue it in a in what we think? You know, I know they released, they said nothing happened, then he killed himself, but you get the idea. It got squashed and he, but for somebody like that, I, I, I think with, with what the way you guys talk about politics, I think you guys are rather objective, even though to him it's probably not very fun. That that's the truth. You know the game.
The patronage element, I guess, is what I'm getting at. I, I have to keep people close to me that are principled because I, you know, I realize I don't have, I don't really have principles, but I don't, it's. We're going to get you right back to the episode, but I just wanted to let you guys know of a few other things we offer at Rare Candy Industries. We have a sub stack with free and paid subscription options. Free subscribers get access to all written content.
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I, I, I actually have more this, this maybe this is like a, a 5D thing or whatever. I have moral problems with, with the idea of a politician with principles. That's how messed up I am. But, you know, I, I am kind of deep, deep into this, like, like so yeah. The world can't exist without people with principles.
I mean, you know, I was I was reading in the past week about, you know, the Battle of Midway and you know, Merrick, do you know about, you know, the the big counter attack of Carrier here, here you of with the Japanese. Yeah, when it was after all the other carriers were sank, they went in pretty much on the suicide mission.
They chart like it was. It was so they have there's one fleet of Japanese ships was it was the the dominant like it was, it was their their queen in a game of chess like this fleet was bullying the entire Pacific Ocean. It was 4 carriers and you know, Midway goes down. It's the most famous battle of the war in naval and they have 4 carriers. 3 of the carriers are destroyed. There's one carrier left. Any like any person, you have to take that carrier back to Japan like you have to.
It's the only carrier you have left. However, his, you know, those three, the three other ships, they got sunk. Those men died. And you know, the commanders by the way, and the US carriers got the attack off and left. We, we got it, we got it, we got it good. And then we sent in our surface ships, which these ships at this point were considered
expendable. Like it's they're they're not valuable and they sent them in and the Japanese commander of the ship was like, I'm going to die on this battlefield charged him. He's in a carrier. A carrier is not useful in like a close range engagement with a battleship, but he charges him and and he went down with the ship, by the way, like, you know, it caught on fire and it takes hours and hours, sometimes days for these ships to sink. They had plenty had plenty of time to leave.
No, he went down and died on the ship because that's what you did. You're honorable person that so armies cannot function with without both a people that that hopefully can say no, you must come back. They didn't radios didn't work very well. You've got maybe even turned off his radio people did stuff like that but no you need to come back. We have to have that carrier, but people people don't the guys you want fighting and the war. You want people you want people
like your Co host here because. Yeah, he'll, he'll die. He's going to be the guy that dies for the podcast. I like this. This is great. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I, I, I hate to torpedo a good analogy, but like the counter attack was like the the correct doctrine. You need, you needed to. If you're him, you need to attack because you're not, you're you're either going to get away or you're not going to
get away. And sinking like one or two American carriers would mattered more than the hero you surviving. It's like it it it, it was, it was doctrinally correct. However, there was a good. It was a good. Understand there was a point where he knew that the the the carriers were gone, a surface fleet was incoming and it was going to be them versus surface fleet. OK.
But anyway, he he did, he does. He did go down with the ship, Yeah. He certainly had a choice to leave it. But yeah, you're you're right. You do have to have every society needs people with principles. And I don't think this is a either or proposition. What happens is in the early stages of a civilization or a nation or or an empire, the the
principles in the politics are. Pretty closely aligned because they're a lot simpler you're you're when you're, and when you're doing, when you're doing nothing but expanding, it's very easy to adhere to your principles and still get the job done because there's so much there's the pie is so big, it's easy to give everybody a piece. The once the the empire starts shrinking, then you reach the, you know, the, the, the two guys on the lifeboat and they're deciding how to divvy up the
food. They're going to decide who lives and dies. And that's a totally different situation. And the the wrong kind of people prosper in during decline because they're good at doing this. They don't, they don't have any compunction, which my colleague might say that he doesn't, but that's he's that that's exaggeration. He has a very good eye for for objectively analyzing politics, but he's a good person. But the people who are in charge of our country are not good people.
They're, they're pure evil. They don't care about anything but themselves. As we, we, if you lived in the 21st century, you already understand. You don't even need someone to explain it to you anymore. After years of lockdowns, sexual abuse scandals, wars, they're they're horrible people. Yeah, I mean, that's, and that's where ultimately where I stand. It's like, look, you, you, you believe in God, though My my principles are with God, you know what I'm saying? And I have them.
I have them for the country too. Like there's certain things where most of it's pharma related, most of it's free speech related, where I'm like any real infringement on any of those two, I'm usually, I'm usually Mel Gibson and the Patriot. You know, I'm retiring from making rotten rocking chairs and, and, and, and getting out
and getting active and stuff. But I, I, you know, for him, when, when he, I, I guess what you know, and to anybody who's listening who doesn't know what this is, there's no reason to log on the Internet and find out. But there are a lot of people who now that Trump has taken power, again, if you are to criticize even from somebody who wanted him to win, right, Somebody who wanted him to win. But if you are to say like, I don't, I don't like this.
I don't like that. Not that I preferred Kamala Harris because again, it's kind of a straw man. When when when some people say that I just don't like a lot of the hive mind of like you're like, oh, secret Lib tard, secret Lib tard. It's like, I mean, it's it's a take. And you guys talked about this recently on your show. Kind of just like it's OK to spaz out a little bit. You know what I mean?
It's like, I mean, you're not at the end of the day, it's going to I mean, what would it take for anybody to go back to the Democrat Party? Like you'd need a lobotomy, you'd need a factory reset. You would need some sci-fi thing to have that happen. I mean, they're mutilating children and doing all of these, you know, actively telling you that your kids don't belong to you and all these all of these
horrible things. I mean, if you want to talk about lack of principles, I just know the whole like panic thing where it's like, hey, like if you're trusting the plan, just kind of kick back for a little bit and you know, like, let the plan unfold. Like, don't worry about what the people on the Internet are saying, you know? You asked the vital question. You asked the vital question though, what would it take to get people to go back to the Democrats? And the answer to that is really
simple. A better deal. They just have to, if the Democrats get their get their shit together and offer people who aren't illegal immigrants and professional class women something and and obviously minorities when it comes to the stuff like civil rights law. If they ever did that, they could, they could be right back on top because that's what people, that's what people brings people to vote. So, so you know, that's the answer. So, but panicking doesn't
prevent that or help that. So there's no point in doing that. I mean, it's fun to, it's fun to chip out on politicians who serve you because you, that you, that's the complaint. But right. Like, that's the relationship, yeah, but. Chipping out on each other. There's no point doing it. That's what I mean like, like, I know, I know this for a fact. I know a lot of the people who are saying that like they're in in no way a threat to be going back to the Democrat Party.
And then it just because of this division, that's not necessary. I mean, I don't think it has electoral implications of what people are saying. I don't even think it affected midterms. I think it's just I'm sorry, we're in a cesspool of social media with a bunch of avatars and somebody says, I don't like this and somebody says, hey, fuck you. You know, it's like, that's fine. But just this whole like, and if we lose in 2022, this is on you for panicking in seven months.
And I guess that's a weird like, I feel like, like I feel like that's almost not used to winning people not used to winning people that act like that, you know what I'm saying? And. So I, I mean, I, I, I'm all the way there with you. So I mean, I can make a strong defense for, for even, you know, for, for all the way. So you know who's the blonde Republican commentator? Narrow it down, buddy. Very skinny. Very. Tommy Lahren. Nah, she's tall. She's probably in her 50s.
Ann Coulter. Coulter. Coulter Game. The Queen, the Deadhead dude. Yeah, absolutely. Ann Coulter did nothing but bitch and complain about Trump for like, I don't know, the last 10 years and every Trump supporter benefit from that
massively, massively. We all benefit that from that massively because she was complaining about things that were echoing bases a lot of people in his bases thoughts, and it would be very a lot of those people would have been like, I guarantee you a lot of that that stuff she said. There's people, you know, boring people or you know, a Jack Posobiak or or guys like that who who who need to maintain like a who they they probably have relationships with the
White House and stuff. Oh, I mean, I can go a step further. There's people who work for Trump that under their breath when when people like that or Tucker lately when they're when they're giving in the business are thinking to themselves like, yeah, good. Because well, there there's a guy that there's a guy that wrote a book that that he did his thought experiment.
It's like it's like, OK, what can I do as an individual person that doesn't run for politics to to mold, to have the biggest impact as an individual, not as a someone that's organizing a group or, or something like that, But what kind of my biggest impact can be. It's like, OK, you can vote. It's like what what would have a bit a much bigger impact than
vote? And it was basically more or less like spreading his number 1, he said to spread rumors online that a politician you want to lose is ill, that they're sick. And the idea was that this is true. You notice this happens to both candidates in every single presidential election. That's not a vote thing. That is a thing to to try to freak out like the billionaires and stuff because they're afraid that they donate money to them, though that money becomes
expired Ious basically. But the other one was basically write angry letters to to politicians saying I'm never going to vote for you again, you son of a bitch. Because in everything I've ever read, all the patron stuff, like it's all based on the idea that a politician's goal was to survive. And, and they're that's they're thinking that all the time. They've got all kinds of people yelling at them all the time, but and they can never know exactly how many people are angry.
And that does speak to them in a way that well, how well, how do you like, how would you have a reasonable conversation with Trump, the Trump, the the White House itself about complaints? You can't really, you can go online and you can say I'm never going to vote for you again. You but you son of a bitch and stuff like this. And that unfortunately that that is the way for some people that that probably I'm sending to
you. But it's certainly not, not, not wrong to complain by the way, regardless of all the political crap. I mean, it was, it is very like stupid. And they they were all this Cash Patel and this Pam Bondi and one of these other characters. They were teasing this stuff even after he had won. Like, if you like, you know, the, the snake in me would be fine. It'd be like, hey, you know, hey, we need a couple more votes where things are looking shaky. Just tell them. Don't promise them this.
You know, I, I, I, I, I can that that's not, you know, that's not highly honorable thing, but I. Don't think it did though. I, I honestly don't even, I think that was such an unforced error because I just don't think that was a deciding factor for a lot of people. They kept doing it even after the election. Yeah, exactly. That's why, That's why. That's the part I like, I struggle with where I'm like, it ain't about. And we're going to talk about a guy later.
We're going to put him through our our ringer, you know, like a little bit later. It's a part of this. But you think about it, you're just like, to me, like it's like the class pizza party thing, right? Like when you're a kid, it's like you have you can't fathom having a pizza party unless your teacher mentions that there's a possibility of having a pizza party. Yeah, I hate using the pizza analogy for this, but you know
what I mean? Like it's just, it's just like like you, you, your teacher goes well, if we get, you know, if you guys get your head out of your ass, you'll get you know, we'll do this and then, you know, you got teacher pretty much has to do it at that point if the needs are met, you know what I mean? I don't think any most people were voting for Trump because of mass immigration. All you know, a lot of these other things, the exit polls, I I, I they mirror what I've heard from people too.
I most people I know that are deep into the FC and shit, I mean deep into it. Don't vote like they just don't. Because when you get down to that, it's kind of a weird bipartisan thing that black pills you a little bit. And I'm not hating on anyone to do it. 2018. I was right there like you just I, I don't know, like if that part feels weird to me, like is, is this whole element of it. But I think you were making a larger point out of that. But I I just wanted to say something.
That's a great point. I mean, I always used to bring up one of my my favorite political podcast ever was Dan Carlin's now closed one. Not Hardcore History, but. Common sense. Common sense. And, you know, he, he, he laid out this, this his political,
his political program in there. And his program was this, he said that there's no real point to follow any kind of politics other than the only politics that would matter at all would be some kind of legal, some kind of legal crackdown on the United
States intelligence community. That basically they were so powerful that that it would be like, you know, it would be like voting, the voting for the president, like voting for the mayor of Moscow. And that's all the power you have in while living under, you know, Stalinist, the Soviet Union. It's like there's not really anything that matters. And, and because these people
sort of run, run everything. I thought that was that I, I really, that is, you know, that's not a, that's not a terrible way to go. I mean I don't agree with it, but but you could do a hell of a lot worse. Carlin Carlin was really, I mean, really we, we have a podcast because we like to Dan Carlin. We got the idea for him. We try, we, we tried to do it a couple times and we never really got it down. But it's really sad that the way he became, he became famous and
then he got TDs. Like, I mean, he still puts out common sense. He put one out like, I don't know, two or three months ago, but they're just yeah, but you don't want to listen to because I. Don't have a lot of common sense, does it? But exactly the The thing is, you can you can never go wrong saying like for your one thing to be.
I hate the intelligence services because inevitably an empire, the secret police become they either become an important faction, which that's obviously already happened, or worse yet, they just take over the country. And, you know, there are people who have conspiracy theories about that, that I, I, I have no problem accepting. It's very, I mean, we had this, the director of the CIA was the president and from from what, 889 to 93 is. George Bush, right?
Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, you could, yeah, I could see that argument. But the the problem is this creates in people an idea that like the CIA intelligence services are, are all powerful Superman. And I don't, I think that's a big mistake because I think that we've seen a lot of things in the last couple years that point to them actually not being very good at their job, which that could be a white pill or a black pill, depending. On what event?
What are you talking about? Like specifically events. Just just their their overall behavior, the their if they're like like that, like the Epstein case would be a perfect one. If this was a cover up conspiracy, it was performed extremely badly. Like you, you, you had to kill this guy in a federal facility with the entire world watching. That's, I mean that's not a super all powerful CIA. That's like the mafia. That's not exactly high impact,
high impact and low visibility. You got him with a taxi like Tesla man, you got to fucking nail him with a taxi after. Yeah, where was the heart attack gun for for this? Yeah, exactly. You got to hit him with a taxi, a heart attack gun. I mean, it's it's that playbook. I feel like it's West Coast offense at this point.
I feel like it still works. But the problem, you know, the problem is you can't say it's a white, all these guys are idiots because if they're running the country and they're idiots, that's a whole, that's a whole new passel of problems. Right. No, I, I agree.
I, I think it's, I think ultimately with me as I separate the two, I am conspiratorial like that, like I, I am long term, like I just knew there were a few things, there were a few issues that I was like, no, that's a partisan issue. And it's like obviously a partisan issue. A good. And that's why I was like, at the end of the day, like I might have my criticisms, but it's like what I am in no danger of ever. I mean, case in point today, I sit down and listen to my
governor. Yes, I have to say he's my governor. I'm not doing the not my president. He is my governor of my state of California. Gavin Newsom sat down with a former CIA guy named Shawn Ryan. I've never seen anything Shawn Ryan had ever done before. I don't know what to think of him. I do think he needs to hire a a Jamie type like Rogan has because Gavin Newsom was just saying wrong things constantly that could have easily BeenVerified to his own face. But neither here nor there.
You know, Newsom is this guy right now that is trying to capitalize on what looks like chaos right now from Trump. Like, like, I don't know. I don't view it as super chaotic other than maybe a few minor things, but I think to any Democrat right now or what Newsom's trying to represent now, Newsom is a legitimate like left, like radical left person. Like his policies are like what radical left people think like a lot of times. He's made no mistake.
He's like, that's what I studied, that's what I wanted to be when I grew up as like a radical left kind of politician. His favorite politician of all time is RFK Senior. He's just one of those people who wants to do that. But he understands that the Democrat Party has a testosterone problem. Now. I believe he does too. But he can cosplay a little bit. He can do the kind of sitting in the chair, inquisitively enlightened conversation with somebody I don't agree with.
I, I talked to America about this. But Bob, did you see anything from that, from that interview at all? No, no, I haven't. Well, that's a real funny way how they and I should have downloaded the clip, but they started the podcast off Sean. I don't know if this is the thing he does with all his guests, but he got them a he got Gavin Newsom a gift.
He got him a Sig Sauer pistol and just handed it to him and Newsom goes, I love these and he's like really nervous because it's like, obviously you don't, but, or at least politically you don't. He says he's wins all these awards for skeet shooting and stuff. I'm I love guns, but we just I do common sense gun stuff. Oh, common sense guy, you know, and he does all of these. The he kind of it's weird. He's adopted this new kind of like Biden, like what do you mean?
What are you talking about? He says adopted this now and he did not used to talk like that. They are gearing him for the run. And now I think this was supposed to happen many years ago, the run for president. I think in 2020 it was supposed to happen. But he really was, he really is not a very good politician. And I would like to know, Bob, with your objective, non principled view, and I don't say that as a pejorative, do you think Gavin Newsom is a good politician?
I wonder if you gave him a 320 because that would be pretty funny. I can look that up. I don't I don't know anything about guns. But Bob, I want to hear your answer and I'll let you guys know what he gave him. Yeah, So First off, so every Sean, Sean Ryan's podcast with like, you know, the like all the military guys, it's always like really good anything with politics. He is a massive bullshitter. This. Guy, he's not very good.
The guy bullshits all the time. He always says like I'm in the in my next. Sorry, it was a three six. It was a six hour, P 365. The 3:20 is is been the Army bought like 5 billion of them and they've been proven they'll they'll blow up and kill you. Yeah. It's that would that should be funny. Based. Yeah, I know. Like Looney Tunes? Yeah, yeah. So the, well, First off, I'd say the the the guy who has Newsom's number the best is Adam Corolla. He is the best.
He's the opposite of him. Everyone should go look up the interview that that. I can't believe that he agreed to go on a Corolla's show when Corolla was, I think he was just on radio at that time. Corolla just destroyed him. You know, Corolla's whole thing. And that's where I'm going with is that he doesn't have thoughts like he, he, he doesn't have us.
Now I, I, if I live there, I feel like I could give a better interpretation, but I, I, I've always considered like, I've always very much because there is a thing. I, I always bring up someone like Boogie 2988, you know, that's this guy. No. So there's this thing that's like, it's, it's, it's not a bad idea to look at someone and estimate their charisma based on how they look. It's it's it's a. I'm looking at them. Yeah, I know. I OK. Good thing you told me that.
It's like, you know that it's a pretty decent guide, but it's certainly not foolproof. I think Republicans, we learned this with the the Mormon guy. Romney. Romney Romney looks like 1,000,000 bucks in terms of like
a presidential guy. It's a. Retired athlete, like kind of guy, like, you know, like Steve Garvey. Steve Garvey type looking guy, Yeah. Yeah, if you're making like a, you know, a Jerry Bruckheimer film, you want like him to be the president, that movie or you always think of there's a guy Boogie 2988. People listen to this, they'll probably know one of these. This guy is just a sack of shit, man. He's like, and that's his thing.
I mean he like like he's ugly, he's fat, he's a liar, He's just a not a good person in any way possible. However, like and I I think it's like unmistakable, like, you know, if this guy flips onto the a webcam, millions of people want to watch him. There's a level charisma that he has that there's plenty of of. I can show people there's plenty of very, very handsome people that can't get more than than 100 views on their YouTube videos.
And this is this is magnified in in politics and politics. I'm telling you, being good looking helps. It certainly helps with with the ladies and stuff like that, but it is you got to be careful. You got to be careful because people like you just look at him. You think, OK, I'm sure that guy's super charismatic. He might not be. However, I would not want to
miss underestimate him. And I do think the libs could probably go, they could do worse in terms of like having like a, a, a just like an avatar for the left in terms of like what he comes from, You know, what if people aren't big into Epstein, I'm sure they listen. They're probably into Darrell Cooper. Darrell Cooper's done a lot of stuff on the sort of Bay Area radical left scene.
That's not something, you know, Jim Jones and Angela Davis and and by the way, Willie Brown and and all this kind of stuff like like that. These people became they were in a lot of ways they were. It's not just like they. Took over the country, yeah. Yeah, they did. Yeah, and they are like the most influential people like, if not like like, like, you know, exactly in terms of whatever,
there's some guy donates a lot. But these are the sort of the, the rock stars that, that people like, you know, people that went and to to college, they got pH DS in, in political science stuff and their managing campaigns and stuff. They were the people they looked up to as, as the, you know, the, the, the rock stars and stuff. And he was there, man. I don't know, like, I'm not like he was very young. He was, he volunteered Willie Brown and stuff like that.
But like, like all that stuff was there. And so in that way, I almost, I almost feel like, you know, that is what you guys are like. Like, I mean, not, not, I mean, the Democrat Party is and can be a lot of things. I mean, it's a huge country and it's not just one thing or the other, but like as far as the big power bases and stuff, the Lib Inc or whatever. I mean, they could do worse in terms of, and I, I'm not saying that is a positive thing.
I, I think it's AI think what, what went on there in the 60s in the Bay Area was evil. But well, that's what it I don't know. The issue a little, a little inside baseball, I guess. But the issue here is if he wants to, if he wants to get the nomination to be for Democrats to be president, he has to cut a deal with Clyburn and, or, or, I mean, if Clyburn, Clyburn is an old man, it's possible by the time that we we get into the primary that he won't be
involved in politics anymore. He has to get the, the Black Caucus to support him because whoever wins South Carolina is probably going to win the nomination. And that's his problem. He's he's very weak there. However, he's a slimy guy. He might, he might make some promises and, and get the, and get the thumbs up. And as as Glenn pointed out where he and I were talking about earlier, the coverage pretty bare for them right now. I don't see any any, any shining stars at the moment.
So, you know, they could, they could do worse than this guy. But he's he's no Obama. No, I mean, like I said, if he was they would have they he he would have done a couple years as the governor and he would I think they would have ran him right, right away in 2020 if that was the case. Now a couple some background now, Newsom gave a very interesting life story to Sean Ryan on this podcast. It was. So he talks about coming from nothing. That's what he's saying.
I came from nothing, single mom, San Francisco. So I was like, I don't think that's right. Like, you know, whatever. So apparently his dad was a legal advisor to the Italian division of Getty Oil and he was a tax attorney for the Getty family. So all right, right then and there, you come from nothing. Now, his dad went schizo. And this is true. After doing LSD experiments at Stanford University, he just had a straight up nervous breakdown and moved to Lake Tahoe and left
his entire family. I, I, I, you know, this guy becomes a judge after that, by the way, an American judge. That's just what he just becomes a judge after that. So there's a lot of weird blanks that come in there. There's a lot of operation paper clip, a lot of stuff happening that he obviously didn't, didn't bring in. But he's like, yeah, and I'm learning all these new things about my dad. He was do an LSD at Stanford under these like and even Shawn Ryan's like is that MK Ultra?
And he's like, yeah, I don't know, maybe that's it could be and what whatever. You know, Newsom then I think somehow gets in. I don't know how, but he gets in with the Pelosi family. I buy some sort of marriage, marriage kind of thing. He he basically that's how he did play the game right in that way. Now, like, you know, his dad and him, he says they didn't have
any kind of relationship. But I guarantee you anything, any interview you walk into, you say I'm William Alfred Newsome, the third son as your as your leading thing. I would imagine that's what you do when you're in there. The problem is it's like man, you're like, like you said, he has everything that you would need to be the next Obama. Obviously not the race thing, but for the most part, I don't know you, you you think he he he also like he'd said, he's like,
I'm dyslexic. I can't read basically like off paper. So he then spends that to say, well, I'm going to say what's on my mind all the time. I don't I can't read a teleprompter. So he's trying to be like funny, he's cussing during the interviews. He's doing all of these all of these things to try to appeal to like the steak eating American who might be flustered with what's happening right now. I don't think it's going to work.
And I think a lot of more people are outside of California are more scared of him than the people who live here who don't like him. And I'll be honest with you, I've been to a lot of people's houses in California. I've been to the Omni Libtards house in California. I'm not going to name their name, but they are the Omni Libtard. They are the all seeing one, the one that that just is, has everything you could think of. RBG Coasters, everything. Not one picture of Gavin Newsom
in the house. He's he's just not that popular. The specter of the right wing takeover for Gavin Newsom is the selling point to Gavin Newsom, which means they don't like you that much. And he was, I think Larry Elder was trying to take his spot for a while. Lost, got his ass kicked. I mean, it wasn't even, it wasn't even close, but it wasn't people weren't excited about Gavin Newsom. He's just this known commodity because he basically invented gay marriage in America.
I mean he did like that's that's that was what made him a a star was gay marriage. That was that was his biggest thing at the city level. And again in the in the I like the city a lot, but it is objectively the the gayest city on Earth, San Francisco. He got that done and then that became Proposition 8 in California. And then we are where we are now.
Well, however you feel about that's however you feel about that, That's like the only thing he's really done that people actually like because he floated out by 2035, no gas cars. We don't want that. That's not going to happen. But he's like, he floats out these ideas that are deeply unpopular even within his own coalition.
I think it's, it's just, it's odd like he, he actually has a lot of radical left ideas, but leftists think he's just as capitalist because he was a restaurateur and some wine guy who got in with who had rich, you know, had connections through it that they don't, they don't, which I, I, I hate to break. That's how a lot of big time left to skip power. Fidel Castro's family owned sugar cane fields and everything.
I mean, it's just, it's actually, it's actually kind of Lendy when you, when you think about it, but he is not, I don't think he's that big of a threat. I do think he's the nomination and right now he, he, I think he tried to win a standoff with Trump on this immigration thing without realizing that like immigration, mass immigration being the biggest issue was like 81% at the exit polls. Whether you agree with that or not, it's got to be at least over 50.
And I don't know, that's just what I say. Little context to it all. I think what's miss like so the the Democrat Party right now, they don't really in between factions and I'll just put there's, there's all these don't we can just go with the two factions that really matter. That's like people under 40 and people over 40 and the people under 40 are in terms of likely voters are probably a lot less. But these people have a lot of I I mean, well, I don't know any
for presidential election. They're very important and these people fill out campaigns and stuff and well, you know, with the with the Republican Party, I was listening to distributors, Dave. He was talking about this like we we talk or with right right wing, you know, like, you know, I call James Lindsay slurs on Twitter. You. Know we, we, there's, there's dialogue like if you go to the left, they don't really. And by the way, there's, there's also there's debates and stuff.
The people, guys like us will debate these, you know, guys, the, the establishment guys all the time, the Democrats, I don't know why they don't do this right now. And the, the, the boomer left, just they have this completely different conception of politics. And that's fine that that's not like out out of like a like, however, they're not able. They're they're just them. And the younger people are living in completely different
worlds right now. And like, you know, if you're the young left people, you're really into Palestine and you want some kind of like energy. And what's what's so like, what's so weird about this is that Gavin is to like he has Gavin has this, he was there man. Like I like, I guarantee you that he when he was a little kid, I mean, when he was 1819 working for Willie Brown and
stuff like that. I get I bet you that he knew the guys in in the Weather Underground and Andrew Davis and like Jones, like the the the kids, they don't understand. No, this guy is your guy. However, he has done he's done too much to like like we know. I don't even no one thinks of him him that way. He is he he's he became he Larped so much that I don't know like like it's no one could even buy that from now like like you people did the kids.
They don't know he he he he would have thrown 10 times more Molotov cocktails than you at the Palestine protest that like he really does get you. He is just like you. He has that energy, but he he has just like just take it out
of himself aesthetically. I think if he was, I think on paper, this is the guy who could, who could, you know, broker this sort of like a philosophical or at least aesthetic combination for the young Democrats and the older Democrats. I don't, I'm not talking about voting so much here as like people that are highly invested in politics, you know, people who tweet too much the, the, the wine ants and the, the radical left protesters and stuff.
He is like on paper he is absolutely the guy to bridge that. But I don't, I don't know why that's missing, because he he certainly could. Yeah, he has, he's completely vapid. I mean, it's, it's one of these things like you, you, you, he just, he tries to find this like it's one of those like things where it's like, I'm going to say something everybody likes and then nobody likes you, you know, and I can't say nobody
likes the guy. One, I mean, you know, he got he got a pretty powerful position in government and I think it's because he buttered his bread on both sides. I mean really, he really did. He kind of he does. He just had to he was able to get in with the Pelosi's. He was, like you said, probably able, probably knew people in the Weather Underground, these big these, these big kind of
like radical groups and stuff. But at the end of the day, he governs like a normie Democrat. But has that California like that, that California we're looking towards not this year, but but 50 years from now and our state, you know, and, and, and you know, at the end of the day, he does owe the LGBTQ community. He like owes them a lot of a lot
of patronage, right? Like he owes them a lot, which that's kind of the issue with a lot of people when you think about it, like a lot of the people who ran away from that side. That's that's a big issue is the, is the, is the basically, you know, forcing that stuff on on everybody at all times. It despite claiming to be such a small percentage that you should not worry about he owes them a
lot. So even if he does want to regress to this kind of like, look, this fake bully that's in the White House that this is what he was doing. I'm trying this fake bully who calls me Newsome new scum. I've been hearing that since I was in 7th grade. Everyone calls me newscum. It doesn't mean anything. You know, this is which is like beta. Everybody's been calling you that since 7th grade.
But he, he's like, I'm not, I'm tough basically like PC principal from South Park is what he's trying to be right now. Like just the, the, the like tough, tough guy. But I fight for the little guy because I'll fight, but I'll fight for him. And I just, I think that is just so played out. I don't think that works. I don't think anybody. I like I said, I live here and I don't hear anybody say anything about Gavin Newsom ever, unless they hate him.
Well, that that line worked the first time around because they were able to cut Trump completely. And I'm not, I mean, I'm not absolving him and his his cabinet first time around. They really, they screwed up. They did. They acted weak. And so that line played well. It doesn't it doesn't play well now because he's using law affair effectively. He's getting he's getting his way.
He had, he had the military in California and all Newsom could do was complain about it. The, the, I think the key, the, the key thing not to mess with him is that because of his age, you know, yeah, I'm sure he did know. He did meet political people who were involved in like the 60s reckless. But The thing is, when he met them, they were like the University of Chicago, right? He he this guy's like he's a baby when the, when the Weather Underground is is getting arrested.
So it's kind of the for for their perspective, the best of both worlds, but the worst of both worlds from everyone else is where he's got that Atari Democrat typical bullshit like economic and and political background, but also this super Lib, sorry, super liberal, progressively liberal social ideas. And I, I think the, the course for that has, has long since run. People are fatigued, like even people who were who were happy to go along with the rainbow flag stuff until recently, the,
the transsexual things. Just that was a bridge too far for, for normal for normies. And he is, whether correctly or not. I mean, I think obviously he, he, he deserves this. He is connected to that. Now then again, all this being said, if there's a a lot of economic problems, if there's a bad campaign by JD Vance or whoever, and you know, this guy could be president, it's that
simple. If he can pitch something to, if he can pitch people in convincing the slimy guys going to deliver the goods they'll go for, they'll put up with the rainbow flag stuff just like they put up with stuff from Trump that obviously there's a lot of stuff that Trump does that most, most voters don't like. But they'll put up with it for the stuff that they can get from him that they can't get from anybody else. What can Newsom? What can Newsom deliver that nobody else can? He?
Literally takes things away from you. He literally is like, we're taking this away from you. And that's good. Actually, it's, it's like your gas powered car is ruining the world. You're you know, he, he cannot. I mean, you want to talk about a thing that made a lot of people go forward the, the vaccine stuff, the COVID stuff. He basically says he's like, look, we're putting together a report of everything we did wrong and it's coming out in six months, John.
So I can't say it right now is basically what he says. And then he's like, but the vaccines work. That stuff's great. Like that, that and six month old kids. Yes, absolutely all the time. They should work all they they and and I'm like, hey, you're not winning anybody new. Like that's that's what I meant. Like it's just I don't see anybody right now in the same
way. I said I didn't think appointing Cash Patel to the cat, the thought of that was going to get the Epstein voter guy who swore off of any sort of electoral politics. I don't think that was going to that brought a sizable amount of people in. I don't think that what Newsom's rebranding thing for one, like people know who he is. Like it's like, man, I've been seeing you for the last 10 years.
You know, like really for me, he's been the mayor of San Francisco since I've been in high school. So I've been seeing him for a long time. But it's just like I, I, I, I thought he bombed on there like on the Sean Ryan thing. And I don't think I think most Democrats are going to see that and go, what the hell are you doing talking to this lunatic Sean Ryan? You know, like I, I just did to me most of the time, like they're so tribal right now. They're not trying to do any
sort of populist outreach. They still think a winning system is everybody's racist except us. Everybody's evil except us. Everybody's subhuman except us. So why don't you stop being subhuman and vote for us? That's like essentially what their their platform is. But they might just put a different person in there, you know, to say that. So I mean, I told you, you were going to die in 2021. If you do weren't, they're like, hey, you're going to die this winter.
That's our political platform. Is anybody? Does anybody still support the vaccine? I mean, I know obviously super lives and there are insane people who are still wearing the masks and stuff that like they're still on board with this. Like I, I occasionally see a person wearing, wearing a mask in public and it's, it's, it's like, it's like seeing somebody riding one of those penny farting bicycles. Like, wow, you're still, you're still on that, huh?
Members only jacket, Yeah. Yeah, you can always go into that one part, the long COVID part of Twitter and yeah, they. Go hard. Yeah, they're out there. I do think that, you know, politically that the key point that I think Merrick, you brought up in the thing you said before, the biggest gap he's got right now, like the he needs to most likely worry about is black people in terms of things that
he needs to change. Not that he hates black people, whatever, but like, you know, patronage wise, currently Black people don't, don't really don't are, are there's certainly they have a lot less power in California politics than they do in nationwide Democrat primary politics. And people don't know like the, the, the percentage of black people in California cities has been like cratering for the past like 10 years or whatever. And so they're just not that
they don't have that clout. And you know, it's possible. Well, Clyburn's a great example. You know, Clyburn's base is, is like The Who, you know, they, they got the South Carolina
primary and everything. He leads the black, the Black Caucus. You know, Clyburn's base is, you know, you wouldn't say conservative, but they're these boomer black people who they're not, they're not super pro LGBT And they're, they're just kind of very much the they're, they're super Democrats. They're, but they're very much. Like the opposite of of a California what what wins in
California Democrat politics. So and he and he can he can make shifts, but he needs to he needs to get you know, he needs to start shucking and jiving. He's got to start. He's got to start race hustling more, but he does not need to in in California politics but did. You see when he tried to play basketball. No, Yeah, it's a really good clip, man. I implore every every listener to look it up of there were Chinese kids visiting San Francisco. It was kind of the whole thing.
Remember when when I think Trump got mad at him for for cleaning up the city finally for for China to come through. I guess that was what they to clean up San Francisco or all the people were making fun of that. But there was this Chinese kid and he tried to do one of those playful cross up. He the kid took a charge. He flopped on top of the kid. The kid fell over. This is like a nine year old kid. And I thought the kid was in legal defensive position outside
the restricted area. Personally, I would have, I would have called the offensive foul on Newsome. I'm sure the Secaucus, New York people would, would, would, would agree with me there. But it was just, it was, it was funny. It's just like he's kind of a joke, you know, like, and again, Joe Biden through Fortification 1, he was brain dead. So you can't count anybody out. But it again, it was through election fortification and hopefully, hopefully that's over.
But I'll to be honest, I don't know. I don't know if that's over SO. You know, Kamala is the is she the first? She's definitely the first recent California Democrat to to run for president. I there's a reason that hasn't happened in the past and Bog beef outlined it. The, the, the structural, I guess the, the political structure of the Democrat party, the way the primaries work, the American black Democrat voters are the most important in the in the primary, as Bernard Sanders
found out. And actually Bernard Sanders found that out twice and that once against Biden and once against Clinton. But The thing is because of demographic change. Well, Bobby voices like Los Angeles has already gone from like Los interest had a large black population when we were young and now it's it's the majority they all at this point. They all left, yeah. Like we were look at this the other day, Chicago is now 30% Hispanic, 30% black. And actually suspense have edged
them out a little bit. And this is, this is a problem when you have a party that's has a lot of ethnic blocks within it. And these changes they're, this is one of the reasons why you saw movement towards Trump from people who hadn't previously voted for him. So that's, that's the big issue for Newsom. However, I guess a double edged sword. You got a couple election cycles.
If the if the demographics continue on the way they are, they won't be a well, black Democrats won't be in charge of the party anymore. Actually, maybe that's maybe that's already true. I have. I just don't believe that because of South Carolina being first in the primaries. But you know, because we, we love, we love Jim Clyburn on the good old boy show. He's at 80. He's 84 years old. That man's not going to be around forever.
Who they got in the bullpen so that that's the way you can edge him. But like, Kamala was a, I guess the bellwether about this. She was not an impressive politician by any means, but she checked off some boxes and Clyburn basically got her her post. I does anybody think that's going to it's going to change that much in four years? I don't. I think that you're going to need their seal of approval. And I have a hard time seeing Newsom getting that.
But you know that that's his problem, not ours. Yeah, true. Mom Donnie was another good example of black people reason why Mom Donnie won. I mean, you know, it's just one reason among many, but it's basically that black people don't have the same clout they have in New York City Democrat politics that they used to. There's just way way way less than them. Shall we move on to our the meat of the discussion today? We've it's kind of a tradition whenever you guys come on the
show, we take 4:00-ish subjects. I think we have three people and a a head to head that I proposed today for we rate them alpha beta. Of course, you know, it's all it's all completely objective. There's no subjectivity. We are running this through AI and just reading the results. Of course, it's not our personal opinions. The there was no rules for this one with who we were going with. Now I want to start with there's two guys that I believe you guys
proposed that. I do wish I do wish Sai was here for this one, but I'll do my best. I'll do my best to channel him through a like a side medium like he normally like he normally would. But let's start with with Doctor Atkins. I love this one. Yeah, the father of the Atkins diet. For anybody who doesn't know if you guys were around, if you guys are like millennials or genet or like older, that was a one of the first diet crazes I ever witnessed was the Atkins diet.
Now, I intended that to be a head to head between the two, the two people while listening, but I I don't want to. I don't want to get your listeners in the upper against you. No, no. No, no, no. I think that works even better. That's great. Actually, I I think that's good. We have a couple head to heads. I love it. So yes. OK, so either way, you still have to kind of, you know, we're still going to go about it the same way, but it is a head to head.
I like this a lot. So Robert Atkins, the Atkins diet now it is it's kind of, I think it's been refined a little bit nowadays. I think like keto is kind of like a refining. I'm not a diet expert despite being on a show where you would think I would be. I'm most certainly not feeling like one right now. But the Robert Atkins basically was like more or less was like a eat a shit ton of meat. Doesn't matter if it's sopping in grease, doesn't matter anything.
No carbs, do not touch the carbs. And if you're, you know, playing football or something, or you're a young guy, like even in your like 20s or something, and you're like working out everyday, you're working, you know, construction or something, you're, you're like moving shit around all day. When you follow the Atkins diet, like you can get jacked. I mean, you can get big. You could just be bulking. You could just, and if you're lifting weights and stuff, you can get big.
Doctor Atkins. I'm just looking at the way he died. He died. He, he, I will say he died like, like the guy on the Segway, Remember the guy who invented the Segway, fell off the Segway and died. Like, I didn't know that. I maybe that's urban legend, but I think enter of Segway death. But yeah, he you know. Massive heart attack, right? This is how Atkins died. But yeah, the, oh, the owner of Segway, excuse me, not the inventor. He died in a Segway related accident.
So that's pretty pretty. I think it's kind of based, honestly, when you think about it, it's like, hey, I I, I love this so much that it's what killed me. It's like almost Siegfried and Roy, you know, it's like this kind of like, not that, not that I think those guys are based or anything, but just, it's when you get killed by the thing you invented, it's not a good idea, but it's alpha in my opinion. I think Atkins is kind of, yeah. It was a massive heart attack,
probably diet related. I would say. I, I just, I just, I, I am not an expert in this, but when you die at 72 and it's a massive heart attack, like he, I'm pretty sure the Atkins diet just stuff in your face and he looks like a guy. He, he looks like a guy who could just throw him down at the heart attack grill in Arizona or something. He, he looks like that type of guy. His coronary arteries were 30 to 40% blocked his cardiology. Yeah. And. And. And so he. This was in 2001.
He died in 2003. I bet you we got to 50. I bet you we got to 50. And. And because why stop there? He's like, guys, I can't stop. The books must sell. My dad, like you. You do figure he had a big boat or something like a bit like you. You think he was partying super hard. I bet he did. That it, it's so, so that's so base.
I always think of so two things. So #1 when, and we may have talked about this last time, but when, when Jordan Peterson went on the animal diet and he didn't even, he didn't just go Atkins, he all he literally ate was bowls of beef with, with, like, with a, with like a, with like a, like, you know, oil soup basically. That's it. Nothing. And like, you know, on Atkins, well, even a little, you can have a, you know, a thing of lettuce or a little bit like, no, just beef.
And when he did it, you could tell that he was a disaster. And he looked like $1,000,000. He looked amazing. Because I, I always relate that because when I, when I was in high school, I was playing every sport and I was trying to just get to that next level. And I went on the Atkins diet and, and it was brutal, man. Like it was, it's way harder than people realize. Like like you, you can't even you can like you think, oh, can you eat all meat or whatever?
It's like, no, you can't. You can't even really use BBQ sauce. Like you have to use like this bullshit BBQ sauce and stuff. It, it, it was, it's so brutal. Like you have to look for like to, to stay in ketosis 24/7. But I and when I did it, I looked amazing. I had this, I had all this energy, but it was like this. I was like, I was like an animal. I was like aggravated and angry and stank and I'm shitting my
brains out all day. Like, like, you know, every 15 minutes I'm going and doing things in the bathroom that were just, I was like, Oh my God, that was awful. I like, like it would it must like I felt like this is what like like Keith Richards goes through like in the like in the morning basically. And it just turns you into into like a like a like a walk. You just feel like a walking hard on looking for a hole like you. You just become pure energy. It's not really a good thing.
I was. Just saying, I don't think, I don't think you're necessarily, I think a lot of our listeners might, you might be sold, you might be selling this to them. Yeah, if you're just trying to, you know, drop a drop a dress size or, you know, get them get into those 28 slacks for for the summer or whatever. Yeah, It's not what you want to do. It's it's, I don't know. You've heard the spin now from from this guy. Let me let me just say when he died, he was like 72.
That was the the life expectancy for for him was like 7475. So he clocked out a couple years early. You know, you having a a red meat heavy diet, you know you're you're going to block some arteries. It's good you can't make an omelet without breaking some eggs. It's a it's a quite an omelet you're making. Oh yeah, you're. Sweating all day and like people don't realize like a, you know, a gigantic porterhouse steak has like like 250 calories Max.
It's like, it's like the like half, it's like 1 bite of a Snickers bar. So you're just shoveling your face with these like, you know, giant animal style, you know, quadruple bacon zilla burgers and stuff and you're never full because it's no calories at all. Like if you don't, if you really stick to it and eat no carbs, carbs are what's easy to consume. Like, but if you, if you actually try to hit like you'll never get, you certainly won't
gain a pound. If you stick to it, you there wouldn't be enough time and you wouldn't have enough energy to shovel that many calories, like 2500 calories down your gullet. So 'cause I'm an insane person, about 10 years ago I I didn't go on the Atkins diet per SE, 'cause I didn't read the book or anything. But you cut. Carbs. You cut carbs.
Yeah, I went on a 2 lbs a week carb calorie deficit and I to do that, you basically have to eat nothing but but like, but meat and the the calorie deficit made me feel not great, even though I was lifting at the same time to try to not lose muscle mass. the IT didn't really work. It wasn't a good idea. However, eating nothing but meat was amazing. I every every day I think about how great it would be to just to go back to eating nothing but meat.
It's awesome. Now, I guess if you're if you're a pickier eater, it might, it might be a problem. I was throwing down at one point like Blanche chicken, chicken breast, just straight up boiling a chicken breast and eating it. It's good times. I think that everybody should go out the way that they doing the thing they love. And that's what, you know, Mr. Mr. Doctor Atkins, Professor MD. He went, he went out on top and and, and here's another benefit of this getting really old is terrible.
Yeah, no, I, I, I do agree. And and I just real fast, like you said, going out especially I think dying by your own creation in a sense, or at least like what made you rich? I do think it's alpha. And like, I'm just, I'm still fixated on the Segway guy just for a second. But James William and his nickname is Jimmy, like Jimi Hendrix, Jimi Hazelden, he was so he was an English entrepreneur. He was a former coal miner. He became wealthy by manufacturing the Hesco Bastion
barrier system. In 2009, he bought Segway Inc. In 2010, he died from injuries sustained from falling off a Cliff while riding a Segway. It's like Thelma and Louise. That's, that's amazing, yeah. I I mean, you think the company's like fuck the stock's going to tank just because he died on one too like. Wow, Yeah, He didn't even make it a year owning the company before he went off a Cliff with the with the Segway. Yeah. I, I mean amazing. So at least Doctor Atkins got
many years out of his. Oh man, I want to change mine now. Well, go ahead, don't you? We haven't read it yet, so. Yeah. Well, Buck, what? Yeah, OK. Yeah, please. OK, we got surprise, surprise guest guest off later. I mean, don't we have to, don't we have to do the second one of the head to head now and that and that how that works like we're deciding if Atkins is who's the most out the second. One, yeah, the second I I still would like to talk about your other.
One. Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. OK, got you. Got you. All right. I had I had a Eureka moment. OK, so I, I, I am going to so we had, we had Ray Ray Pete. This is Doctor Atkins versus Doctor Ray Pete. Now Ray Pete. Now I tell you, the one time I ever fucking counter signaled that guy on this show IA lot of times I'll post our episodes. I don't know if you guys are like this too. I'll post our episodes right before bed. You know, I'll just, I'll put them up. I won't promote them or
anything. I wake up in the morning and it's people like this fucking asshole talking about Ray Pete. And I was like, whoa, like, like, I was like, it was, it's wild. I won't say it is kind of funny that Ray Pete is a communist. I wasn't aware of that. Oh, did Fredo not tell you? No, I'm just kidding. But no, I this is off the Reddit. I know it's always been a thing. He so this is from R slash Ray Pete. So do with this what you will. I'm sure people think that it's not true.
You know, he's based, he's a Roman soldier. I have no idea. But he, this is the, the, the post on Reddit is the Ray Pete Russian slash communist conspiracy. This guy says. I think Ray's ideas about communist Russia are some of the hardest to grapple with. He seems to think Stalin was generally good and those who came after undermined him.
I think he agrees with Marx's ideas that society should provide for people's needs to develop optimally as a biological Organism, blah, blah, blah, right? So all that, he's all that stuff again, it's about the food. So it doesn't matter, right? It doesn't matter. Ray Pete, you don't go to raypete.com to learn about communism. I would think I would. I would guess you don't. Maybe you do.
I don't know. He's he his he is like I still don't understand what his diet is because anytime I critique it, it's I got the diet wrong apparently. So apparently you can eat a shit ton of ice cream if there's no if there's no gum in it or anything like like the gums I think are the bad, which I agree those are bad. I don't know if eating like massive amounts of Haagen Dazs overtime is really good for you. Obviously a bunch of meat.
He doesn't. They don't really like cruciferous vegetables like the broccolis, the stuff like this. And I do think it is an elevated gamer diet, which is that alpha? I tend to say no, but you guys might say yes. Did you see the Big Pete news or the like two hours ago? No, no Trump. Trump called the CEO of Coca-Cola and demanded all Coke now be. They said they're going to do it, Coke said they're going to put cane sugar in their Coca-Cola.
They told Trump that. They're going to get out of the they're going to get out of the I mean, they're getting out of corn syrup. They're getting out of that stuff or just adding. I mean, I'm, I'm interested, I mean. That's what Trump just said that he talked to them and they promised they were going to put put cane sugar in there. It's going to be great. That's that's all we know about it now. But I think that is Petey correct. Oh, it is the Pete thing. I mean, they, they are sugar.
They sugar Max like they, I've known some people like I to me, I, I don't know, I, I am like I talk about it with Sai. I kind of, I kind of laugh like if you were eating nothing but like gamer snacks and I think we all know what I'm talking pizza rolls, like sedentary diet or something. And you got into Ray Pete, which then got you into Mishima or something and working out and all that stuff. That's good. That's a good thing. I would expand on it. And I don't think green
vegetables are the devil, right? And I know some people what from what I know about Ray Ray Pete is that he stayed away from a lot of leafy greens. Think they called like oxalates in there that disturb your stomach or something. And to be fair, some uncooked greens do not agree with me when they're uncooked sometimes, like for broccoli, I I, I raw broccoli doesn't sit right with me. Cook broccoli. I can either. I can eat a forest of it. But so I think there might be
something to that. But he would get to the point, I guess, where he would boils And I already I can already hear the backlash of how I got this wrong. Sorry guys, but there's, there's like he would boil a cup of spinach and then drink the spinach water and throw out the leaves. And I'm just like, I still think dietary neuroses after a while like that stuff becomes this
cottage industry. And yes, you should, you should that we should right now, the way food is constructed in America, you, if you, if you give a shit, you have to read everything right? You have to look at everything. It's, it's a kind of arduous task. It kind of limits social interactions, you know, in terms of going out with your friends or something because you're going to eat stuff coated in canola oil. But I still think the neuroses could give you a Atkins type
death. Like stop, don't freak out about everything that you eat and stuff. And a lot of people I know that get into the Ray Pete thing, they get really neurotic about what they eat. And I will say in terms of alpha, I got to say Atkins is more alpha. Pete probably has I, I think maybe a little bit better diet, but I don't know. I don't know if that's what we're talking about here. By the way, if if anyone listens to good old boys, then I mean.
So I get in trouble all the time for glazing Stalin too much. So I mean, that's we, we, we, we share that in common. People are worried, I mean. You see that Stalin was good. There's some problematic aspects I would if I I mean if I. Stalin the painter you like, like Hitler's art, you know, say, does you mean? There are. Well, I would just say that Stalin didn't take over UNICEF, he took over the Soviet Union. Stalin drained the swamp. If Stalin killed, starved. Of the swamp, yeah.
If Stalin killed all the Trotskies, our lives would be a lot easier. They they sort of came to here and started running the United States. I, I, I, I would just Stalin is this. Stalin was a thug. He was a thug. And he, he, well, it's, it's too much to get into, but that's. Fine. I just say you, I've always you liked you liked, you liked his, you liked what he got. Like, I don't know, not that I don't even want to say that, but. I'm pretty I'm pretty pro
dictator in general. I'm going to give you some bogged beef lore. This and this is probably, I don't know, 15 years ago, maybe. No, probably before then. Well, he was, he was dating a young lady and she out of the blue, having never spoken with him about politics whatsoever, never heard any of his ideas, just said, you know, I think you would, you would like Joseph Stalin. That happened, didn't it? Yes, you. Remember that. No, no, no, she said that to him. Just she she code, she code.
Read it like, you know, I think that Stalin would be the kind of guy that, you know, politically that you would like. And he had never talked to her about politics. So yeah, I mean that's. But I don't know where that happened. There was another point. So I'm where I'm at this job and this this job is using these Russians for cheap labor. And there's these, there's this Russian girl there. She's beautiful. And there's, and this has nothing to do with her being a
beautiful woman. I've always wanted to ask a Russian this because it's like, there's this thing in the back of my mind and I've got to ask a real Russian this. I've just got to. And so I walk up to her and I was like, I tried to, to doll it as much as I could, but I was like, what do you think of Joseph Stahl? And her answer was like, it was so good.
That was like, it just made, it just made my, my whole like, like I said, I dictators, they it's a complicated story, but dictators are, are they're the big if you're a dictator, I post the thing of the day. That was like, these are the
people that I follow. And it was, it said it was someone's Wikipedia heading and it said political career 1949 through 2010. That's what I'm into is if you sort of look at politics as a survival thing, if someone is able to survive on top of, of a, of a stage for like 5050, sixty years or whatever, I'm into that. And but anyway, so I asked her that and I'm sitting there and I'm thinking I'm like, oh God, but she's going to say, you know, she's going to say that he killed my grandfather.
And he and she looked at me seriously heart. And she says he did what had to be done. Wow. I couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe it. It was amazing. But he was a redneck and a thug and he gets his job running that this state that is like the most nerd like state of all time, like the like the most like this utopian nerd experiment of free love. And he bullies all the he bullies all these nerds as this redneck thug.
I mean, he was robbing Banksy or two before and like walking into that status hierarchy, destroying everybody, killing all your competition, sewing up power in a massive nation state and holding on to it forever, bullying United States. If you take him as look at him as an individual political actor, he's super effective. Like it's, it's impossibly more effective. And so that's the that's the
problem. Like, so that doesn't mean he's a good person like good people that they don't, they don't, they don't get in this line of work. I didn't believe you when you said you didn't have principles. Now I do. I didn't believe. I was like, ah, shut up. Yeah, you do. No, no, seriously. That's wow. Yeah. I didn't know we were going when I thought Gray Pete and I thought it was Gray Pete, which is that we actually got the most accurate alpha beta rating on
Stalin, apparently. So that's that's amazing. What was yours, Bog? I don't even have yours written down. What was your your submission to? This Oh, it's not important. I've got one that's much, much better. OK, well, either way, I don't, I don't think I know it. So yeah, what? Go ahead. Floor is yours. Kevin Federline. Oh, Alpha, without question. Are you kidding? Are you kidding me? In a in an era where child support is being deployed on every man ever?
I mean, yeah, I mean Bog. You've probably worked some similar jobs to me. You've heard the Child Support Blues, you know what I mean? Like, like, just the like, like, you know, my, my, I've, I'm telling you right now and I, I hope that this didn't become a pending case, but there was one guy offering around and I'm not going to say much about him, but the word, the sentences I use for it will give you an accurate
picture of what this guy was. He was walking around and he was asking random tough looking women. He said 20. He said $10,000 to beat the shit out of my baby Mama 25,000 if you kill her. And, and he was just saying like anybody down. And I was like, I'm hearing you. I thought all of your and everybody teaches you not to say that around me. You know what I mean? Like probably like you, you know, like I'm like Fred Willard in a rap video at this point.
Like don't say that around me. Like, you know, bad boys for life get thrown in a garbage can. Like he probably shouldn't have. I should have stayed there. But we've heard all this stuff. Kevin Federline because didn't he start 5 gum or something with the with the money? Oh my. God. It was some let me see Kevin Federline gum. He he I thought he was a big part of yes, stride gum.
Excuse me, stride gum. So we're he he became like I think an investor, if I have this right, an investor in five gum in 2006. I'm you have to think that's with the Britney money. Oh, for sure. Fried gum, Yeah. So I health already. Already to get some bag. I I totally agree. I, I my, you know, my, I don't remember how old, you know why in my early 20s or something like that. I was like just laying at night dreaming of being in a situation like Kevin Federline. So with, with Federline.
So he's one of these guys like on paper, like if you look at him on paper. So dance choreographer. That's one of the gayest jobs in the world. It, it, it is. Now, of course, in reality, it's one of these jobs that are like, OK, let's get you, you know, hot and sweaty with a lot of young women and stuff. However, I mean, you know, in real life, a lot of gay guys
have that job. You, you, you know, your dance choreographer, you are Mr. Mom, you he's got, you know, he, he's the one that that fought for, fought for the custody and he's got the SU VS picking them up for karate lessons at at 3:00 PM or whatever in, in so many ways on paper, he's, you know, he's very, very Veda. But of course it's not. Of course he's of course he's giga alpha. 20 grand per month.
Which is, which is a child's play because I remember when Nas got divorce from you know, the girl who made the milkshake song. My milkshake brings all the boy that girl Nas had a kid with her. I don't get the idea that Nas made this much money, but apparently the state of New York thought that that he did 50,000 a month. 50. I think that I think he's beat by who's the redheaded guy used to play for the Clippers. Maybe he's still. Blake. Blake Griffin. What wasn't wasn't he $600,000 a
month? That that was a rumor. It wasn't true. He was he was paying more like 30 or 40. But I mean, that's that's a lot of money 30,000. Dollars a month? You better stay on that All Star team man. Oh, by the way, I'm wrong. It's fake news about Kevin Federline. That was kind of a wives Joe. I'm sorry. But actually, I'll tell you right now, they're saying Kanye owes Kim 200 a month. That's hilarious. Which is crazy because she's
fucking rich. That's Pacino. Pacino's got 100. He had to pay 30 KA month, 110 up front, and then 15 KA year in an education fund. Education fund is great for Alpha. Yeah, a month. Yeah, for educate. Where the fucks this kid going to school? But yeah. Alex Rodriguez, 115,000 a month. Charlie Sheen, 110,000 a month. Brendan Fraser, 75 a month. That's why you saw him come back into movies. Just man. Like some of these are crazy,
but yeah, federalized alpha. Frazier had that thing that Foley, Dave Foley had where he got it. He got hit for massive child support in a very brief period where he was making a lot of money and then his career slowed down and he basically became a slave to this child support system. Foley is that's. Where your baby mom's got to start helping you get jobs. Like she's got to start calling the film like, hey, will you this actor I love Brendan Fraser.
She he was great and bedazzled. Could you please hire him? Could you please hire him? And and then, you know, then you're like, then you get somebody. You almost become his manager at that point. Obviously alpha. He married a a beautiful pop star at the height of her sanity and the attractiveness and then he became got set for life. That's not alpha. Nothing on the planet is. Yeah, and and now she's fucking
playing with swords in her room. Yeah, that was, remember there was all these people saying that this, this arrangement with her father didn't make any sense. It was like, yeah, yeah, it didn't make any sense when you didn't know what was going on. Yeah. Some people, well, some people need to be chained to the radiator, basically. Yeah, exactly. So I always think of, you know, when I'm, I'm in like, I don't know, I'm like 1920.
I get one of these restaurant jobs, you know, these bullshit jobs you get when you're a kid or whatever. And everybody there is like, you know, 16 to 25 or whatever. And they hire and I'm in Florida and Florida's got this thing and Nevada, Nevada is this for the West Coast where? Well, I'll finish the story. So I'm working there and then no, I, I wasn't one of the, the waiters, whatever they, but they hired this black guy to be a waiter.
He was like 40. You know, black people, they black guys, they tend to look younger than they are or whatever. So it was more or less normal. They hired him and he was the best waiter. They had people, people would come up to the manager. So this guy is so friendly. He, he, he, I mean, he's the, he was the best one that they have. He wow, Kevin's doing very, very, very well. Man, yeah.
Look, look, go get the smile. And a girl named Victoria Prince that just sounds, she sounds rich, you know, like that's the name. I don't know if she's rich, but that's a rich name. You can't fake that smile. Well, she is now. Well, or maybe he will be again. Maybe it's Part 2. Maybe it's like Ocean's 12 or something. So, yeah, this guy, he gets like employed a month, every month. I mean, he is like, it's just obvious. This guy is this guy is a rock
star at this. People are so happy at this. And then, you know, one day I'm there, I go to smoke break or something, I come back and and he was gone. The the Georgia police came and picked his ass up at work and haul him off to jail. It was it was because because he was behind on them payments. Yeah, you will. They will. You will do time.
It's crazy. We have a like, I've seen it happen too, where you're just like, yeah, you go out to lunch and then they'll be like, hey, guys, I know the, the, the, the 2:00 PM window. We normally are. We're just going to be a little short staffed. They took Jeff, you know, Jeff had issue. His stomach hurts or something, you know, like that. You're like now he's arrested for child support. Yeah. Dirty game. Dirty game, but yeah, in Federal and it's not even.
I mean, that is unquestioned alpha. It always has been. What a what a guy. I mean, it's the only guy you hear about that like happening to, you know what I mean? Like like for that case. And he was a backup. Yeah, like you said, a backup dancer. I mean, that's like, I mean, that's they say I come from rags to riches, you know, that song. Like it's just like, it's just amazing, amazing.
So that just you would have never thought you never thought you'd parlay a backup dancer, John, First off, like you, like you said, Merrick, like, oh, look at me, I hired the damn straight backup dancer and this look what happens, you know, so I have an interesting one here that that or actually, you know, yeah, yeah, I have an interesting one here that I think we'll get to. I think I did this because I was. You guys ever watched?
They're kind of cheap and they're kind of hokey, but you ever watched like the The History Channel, like the people who made America or. Whatever. Oh hell yeah. Yeah. I actually love all that stuff and I'm not even the massive historian, but I think that the dramatizations are like shockingly good. You're kind of like like this is like, it's kind of weird. It seems like a good job if you're an actor because it's always the same guy.
It's like I saw a guy play Nikola Tesla and then he played fucking Houdini in this other one. Like it was crazy. He was just he was just getting these jobs. And but I'm talking about two guys that like straight up like we talk about building America even one guy's not even American, but you have Nikola Tesla versus Thomas Edison. They might both be alpha, they might not, but which one's better to you guys? I mean, Edison, if it's a head to head, it's Edison.
And yeah, he's he's certainly alpha. He. Did he did win technically? So is that that your basis for? That he's an incredible inventor himself. He he destroyed the competition, including Tesla well. JP Morgan JP Morgan destroyed the competition. Let's let's. OK, all right. And look, I the Tesla is one of these figures that I don't know, I'm not a scientist, I'm not a,
a expert on electricity. But it seems like people kind of get a little too excited about him and, and push the the mythos a little bit too far like which is this? I mean, that's a silly thing to say because this is a guy who invented a type of electricity. He's pretty fucking sick, dude.
I don't. Know right, but like there's all this is like he actually was going to make infant wireless power and all this stuff and Thomas Edison stopped that like no, that that's that's not what's going to happen. He was he was a visionary, but he didn't he didn't have the same killer instinct that big Tom did. That's that's I got to go. I got to go with Edison. If it's a if it's a head to head, if we're saying are they? I think they're both pretty alpha.
But yeah, you got to give it to the big dog. Bob, go ahead. You go ahead. I'll be the final rule here. Go ahead. So they're both alpha. I mean, so I think Edison is more of a brute. I mean, obviously he's, you know, massively IQ or whatever, but we're, this is a relative game here. Tesla, I think a big, big and of course people take it too far, but you can only do that because he's because he's got the because he's got the.
Alternating current electricity. Yeah, because he's, he's so he's got, he's got the, he's got the, the juju. You can say, Hey, he invented this thing that would me, you know, it would make cars running water or something like that. And and it you, you kind of got to think about it a SEC. You you got you're going to want to look that up before you say no, he didn't because, you know, this guy was a a mad genius.
Did you see Trump Trump's quote the other day about about his whatever his brother or his cousin or something like that? Well, I know his great uncle was very involved with Tesla stuff. But he, he has this, he he was at a dinner or whatever and he says whichever family member was, he says, yeah, my family member, he was a great scientist at harm. Yeah, John Trump, I think. Yeah.
Yeah, MIT and he goes, he was a genius, he said, You know, you know, he worked with, he worked with Ted Kaczynski. He was a thin line, but he said that there's a thin line between being a genius and a madman. People are sitting there. Look at it, he said. It's like 2-2 days ago. Yeah. But I wanted to say Tesla. I think that one of the things that puts Tesla over the like over the top is his ability to strike a pose. It's cool pictures. He he like he he he Epstein did
the same thing. You you're never going to see a candid picture of Epstein. Epstein knows where the camera. Made sure of that. They made sure of that actually. Was famously not allowed, actually. Nice, but you know, I mean he when he looked at a camera, he the face he was making was one that he had probably worked on in front of a mirror for many hours. Tesla he had he had a pose and it looks so good.
It looks so mysterious. You can see that you can imagine the aura and the smoke behind him or whatever. You know he when he he looks at the camera and when you look at a picture of Tesla, he looks like he's looking through you. It's a very predatory. You know, it's it's, it's, it's the rush. It's it's the Russian thing. It's he he's, you know, he's a silent predator kind of guy. I mean, he is a like we always talked about on the show.
I saw on the show like, OK, you're a young guy, you want to impress girls and you don't have like basic alpha. I was like, So what? What's your move? I always said the best move you got that you can do that is alpha that you don't need basic alpha do is brooding women women for somehow they like they say women interpret being funny. They can't tell the difference between that and being smart,
right. So if you want a woman think you're smart, you can just tell jokes and they will interpret that as fine. I got married. Yeah, absolutely brooding. Like, you know, like if, if, if I don't know if a woman thinks you got a little bit that Dylan Klebold in you or whatever. OK.
They, they interpret that as being Conan the Conan the Barbarian. You know, they had like this was a big scandal on what was it Live Journal or whatever, the website or whatever that like 60% of the website was being turned into these like women's like like. Sexual desire, shrines to to the the Columbine killers or whatever. And so Tesla in all of this. He's got he like no, he Tesla pictures are. I would say this is 10 out of 10 herb brooding.
This is what this is what you should be aspiring to if you're trying to brood in front of women. Yeah, they had David Bowie play him in that Christopher Nolan movie. That was kind of cool. It was very random, like you just wouldn't expect that. But I'm going to lean Tesla. However, the I thought the two of them are fat. Edison uniquely understood how to get shit done, and Tesla was a savant, I think. I mean, both guys were a savant, but like, Edison understood
where he goes. OK, if I want anything done, OK, I don't do steel. I'm not doing a lot of steel stuff. So Carnegie's not my, you know, probably not going to go that way. JP Morgan's father, which I think is also JP Moore, I can't remember, but his dad was kind of like electricity. That's devil bullshit. I don't like it. Like, what are you doing? What are you? What are you putting all this money in there for?
You're being swindled. Well, dad croaks, I get I basically become, you know, Forex my wealth at this point, if not more. If I'm JP Morgan, I'm putting all that money to this guy Edison who can power, you know, all this stuff and and and and do this now JP Morgan also understood because because for anybody who doesn't know, Tesla was out alternating current. Edison was Delta current ACDC.
Obviously, you know, the band name and stuff, but the, the he gets JP Morgan after a while, like starts General Electric, which was, I'm sorry, not stars General Electric. He takes Edison's name off of Edison Electric, which people in Southern California might look at their bill every month and say, oh, yeah, I paid Edison Electric, but General Electric
was Edison Electric at the time. And then JP Morgan's like, fuck Thomas Edison. So that's the only reason to me where I'm kind of like, yeah, but it was like, I don't know how much of the, the, the heart, the, the like crazy savvy. It was beyond the machines and the mechanisms. That was Edison. Because Morgan was just like, look, I'll, I'll literally, I, I mean, JP Morgan, it was an
absolute dog. He would just, he would just shut down the competition, poison the well on his competition, catch him up in scandals, like anything. I mean, he would, he just, he wanted to win. He was an absolute dog. And he put and Edison made things that were grounded in reality, right? Like the Telegraph, all of these other things. Tesla did some wild stuff, man. I mean, you want to talk about? Theoretical versus practical, really.
Exactly. And yeah, And you know, Tesla comes from a different background. He's from, and you guys might know this history better than me. He's from what is now Serbia. But back in the day, he's from Austro Hungarian soldiers who then went into the church. He was not in a church going or he was like, I'm not doing that. I, I, he stroked a cat one day, like just pet a cat and got a shock or something was like, well, that's, that's it for me. I'm doing electricity for the
rest of my life. Kind of an like idiot savant never did well in in school. Dad wanted him in the church, but he was like, I'll die. I'm going to get sick if I don't go here. He's kind of a, I would guess he would have been diagnosed with what we call now autism at the time, but back then it was like, oh, my son's kind of weird and let's just, you know, we'll put him through these schools and
stuff. So he gets with that guy George Westinghouse, I think is the guy's name, the Westinghouse motor and stuff finds a way to power these things gets and, and then his alternating current he, he gets, he works for Edison for a long time, but Edison never likes alternating current. Now does he not like it or does he not want to implement it because somebody else invented it? Doesn't really matter. Tesla breaks away, Edison goes,
you'll never work anywhere. If you leave me like I, I'm sorry, you're a smart guy, but like it's over. I will make sure and also I have JP Morgan to make sure that you don't work. Tesla kind of toiled a little
bit. He got these really big ideas, but I'll be honest, man, some of his wireless tech stuff, I mean, like the microwave radiation stuff, which again, I'm not a big microwave guy, but when you talk about radar detection and things like that, that's a pretty insane invention when you think about it, when you're just like, wow, at the time, yes, lights in your house is crazy, but like I can detect something like from far away and and, and just in an era where like God
knows how you transmitted any information. I mean, it was a Telegraph, right? It was, it was these things. And I think what's interesting about Tesla, which puts them over the top and you guys might disagree with me, is the weird, paranormal and honestly parapolitical. He claims to have talked to aliens. If I was. If I was. I didn't know. That oh, this is crazy. So he claims that when he was doing like microwave radio technology, he transmitted some message and received some wisdom.
He thinks to then create this wireless tech. Now at the time he's broke because he was a bad businessman, which I think is is beta is his beta quality. He would when he was running out of money, people would say, hey, what George Westinghouse would come to him and I hope I'm getting his name right. I, I think that's his name. He, he would come to him and say, Hey, I need, I or I would need this money. And George is like, dude, your
royalties are way too high. People do not want to invest anymore because your royalties are too high. He goes all right, fuck the royalties. So he really he left what they say it was about 300 million on the table, I think in modern currency by doing that just so he could keep he was a Craftsman at that point. Again, this could be all construed as beta and I I believe it now. He wanted to do this whole he's
like, fuck the wires. He had the Tesla coil, which we still use to this day, by the way, like that is that shit is crazy. He he the Tesla coils and stuff. And that was the missing link to a lot of the stuff that was found after he died. But he really wanted to make wireless tech at the time, and he didn't like the wires. I don't want all this stuff. And he ostensibly was getting close to it. But guess what he wanted to do with all of it. Hey.
And it'll be free. So then you talking about Rockefeller, Carnegie, Morgan going now? The wires are fine. So you know, whether it would have worked or not, they're going like, I sorry, we're going to chart. We got this Edison thing going. People are pretty happy with that. Yes, you're cool. Chicago Fest State Fair picture is very cool, but we'll do the thing where we can charge money for it. That seems to be going well. And lastly, what I'll say about Tesla is the death ray.
Are you guys familiar with the Tesla death ray? I believe in it. I believe in it. I believe in it. So he he had documents or whatever, I hate that word, but he had all these things to say. I'm going to make a death ray. It was something that could ZAP planes out of the sky. And we're in the 30s right now. Originally Adolf Hitler heard about it and was like, hey, Fostro Hungarian empire, what's up, dude? Like fucking what do you, what are you doing with that thing?
And and he's just like, no, not you. In fact, I'm making this because you're getting powerful or something. So goes to America and get runs into the same kind of thing. And they're basically like actually hand over that shit. You should not have that. Like if you have that, just give that to us. And he's like, whatever the Soviets want it. And all of a sudden you have this thing called the Tunguska event. And I encourage everybody to look it up. Now, again, this is all
speculative or anything. This is all speculative. However, there in Tunguska, Siberia, all of a sudden one day there was a massive blast and all the forests come over, but there was no reported. Like the people said, it was a meteor hit. There's no crater.
Everything just boils over in the forest and there's a lot of people that think Tesla fired or not Tesla himself, but somebody completed Tesla's work and was like, aim it towards the South Pole and he's like, oh fuck, we were a little bit off. Bam blasted out like a whole forest. So Long story short, I think he was on the right move. And I do think him randomly getting hit by a taxi when he
was in the midst of all of this. I, I, I tend to think there's, you know, at least like a 30% chance that the, that he got taken out or something. I, I find that stuff a lot more interesting than than Edison though. Edison was like, I need this done. Edison goes, I will do this. If you need something done from Tesla, he's like, hey, not only did I do that, but I did this. Here's the thing. It cost like 900 million more
dollars, but I'll get it done. And everyone's like, come on, you know, like so in filmmaker perspective, right, Thomas Edison is Clint Eastwood. Clint Eastwood made movies for a long time. He went on his own, but to still to get funding. He was on time and under budget no matter what whatever he was making on time, under budget. So the movie was had more shot to make money and and be good,
even if it wasn't. And I I'm a person that loves a lot of the movies that he made, even if it wasn't something that was like the godfather or something. Now you talk about guys like Coppola, which I think Tesla was where Coppola's selling his house, selling his vineyards, doing all this stuff to make Apocalypse Now, going out and like in the middle of a typhoon in, in the Philippines and losing everything. Like he's, he's that type of
guy. And I, I just think that like kind of like weird death drive towards your craft. It's kind of, it's kind of sick. I mean, he the beta part about him too. Is he, he was celibate, though I won't say that much. Being a celibate, doing all that like like powering the modern world and not getting any pussy is kind of rough. He had a pigeon GF right? Oh. Right the the the the the pigeon story like he he kept pigeons late in life. He. Did It's Mike Tyson, Yeah.
Yeah, and supposedly he said like he he he deeply loved his pigeons or something. I was just, there's so much Tesla lore because he can't he became this character on like on Reddit that it's hard to to figure out what what is what. Although I have to say I've I've heard of the death ray, but I didn't know that people linked it to the Tunguska, Tunguska event, which, Yeah. All right. Now, we talked about this before when I was on here. The the key to a conspiracy theory is it has to be
entertaining. It has to be more entertaining than the truth. And that's more fun than it was a comment that blew up or something. Yeah, OK, I'm on board with that. I Yeah, He gets the seal of approval. You make a change. In my mind. And his he was doing the Oppenheimer thing, right? He's like, actually I'm a, you know, anti war guy, but this just this thing existing would make war not happen, which yeah, right. And honestly and honestly for a
while, who's the prime? Who is the before Churchill? What was the guy's name? Oh, oh. Chamber. Neville Chamberlain. Never. Chamberlain originally wanted it, which I'm glad he didn't get it because, you know, if you misgendered, if that was still around nowadays, you misgendered somebody, you get death rayed, dude. That's what death rayed. Like in in England you'd be you'd be toast. Like they just death ray you like Mars attacks, like I just I don't know.
I find him fascinating. I I like, I just don't think Edison's that interesting, I guess. I mean, he and I, I say that now thinking like, yeah, he was interesting. He was trying to make motion pictures and shit, like, and he was ahead on that stuff too. So they're both. Great. This connection you've made in my mind now, I don't know how much of A gamer you you are. You were in the past like, you know, in in a red alert. One of the Soviet units is the
Tesla coil that you can build. It'll ZAP, it'll ZAP the the evil forces of capitalism for you. OK, that that makes a lot more sense now. All right. Yeah, that's that's no man, that's awesome. So OK. For the, for the Peter thing, I just made me think of the, the whole savant thing versus like the, the, the Chad Mcjack Edison thing. It's not like the traditional 1 Edison's like Todd Howard. You know who Todd Howard is?
No, it's this there's this role that happens is like if you're an engineer, if you're an automotive engineer, whoever is the most like Chad McGurk engineer, he's going to be made the boss and he's his job is just going to be like whipping. And I understand Edison wasn't the brains about a lot of these inventions, but he was the guy that was good at sort of whipping, like whipping, whipping other engineers into producing product. I mean that that's that's the
thing. But anyways, with the the whole savant thing, we were talking some of this with with Fredo, who's the big Pete guy. And we we were talking about like a why, why do men win at these certain things? Why do women win at certain things? And apparently testosterone is like nature's Adderall. He said that like testosterone is increases focus. This is why there's all these sort of people. There's obviously a connection with people.
People call like Asperger's and stuff with the with with just masculine in general but but testosterone so being this Uber super focused person or whatever that is a high test thing. Yeah, no, I, you know, it's just like the I that's, it's interesting. I, I thought it was interesting.
I was just watching that thing the other day and I was like, I got to bring this up because I, I just, I think it's, I think it's fascinating because like at the end of the day, like if you needed to build a nation, I, I don't know that I would hire Tesla, But if I wanted to make the Uber nation, you know, like if he did, like I will say, if he did team up with Hitler, he would that Hitler would have sent his ass to Antarctica after, after he said. Valda Gartha.
Yeah, he had to be like HP Lovecraft at the mountains of madness time, like find what's in there, you know, like he he he would have been doing shit like that with him if he did team up with him. So very like Indiana Jonesy kind of shit. But the last one today, and this is size 1 and I was it kind of couples what we were talking about at the at the beginning with some of the Epstein stuff.
But Dan Bongino, who when I look up a picture, he looks like the Cowboys quarterback Dak Prescott, like almost uncanny. Like it's kind of insane. If you look at a picture of two of them, they look like maybe they could be cousins or something. But he I this is how out of the loop I am on a lot of politics. So I didn't even know he had a job in the administration but apparently he's flirted with just not showing up to work over the Epstein stuff.
He's #2 at FBI, yeah. Yeah, which is insane. I was just like, oh, I guess so. Yeah, I just did. So he's underneath the cash Patel, I guess. And and with the Epstein thing. And look, I we've talked about it a little bit. I understand people being mad about it because I ultimately think it was an unforced error to even make that a part of your platform in any way. It should have been a poison pill.
If anybody asked you if you're what you're going to do about the Epstein thing, you say we got a mess at the border. That's what that's what Trump used to do is we have a mess at the border with that's what we need to do. They're doing this and this and this and this and we want to stop that. We're going to stop this right now. Now, I think Dan Bongino bought that, bought the message. Clearly somebody believed that the Epstein thing was going to happen, right, because Dan
Bongino did. But do you guys think he's alpha or beta? I guess for that event, but also overall, I don't know much about his political correspondent history. We just, we just put out a episode about I got the alert. I literally just got the alert for it. I was. Like almost entirely about Epstein. So if you're listening to this, please tune into that. You can get a very, very nuanced take on that.
But the brief take for for me is they, if they really thought that there were files for them to show people, then they're stupid. Because obviously if, if the, if Epstein was just what the government says, he was just a bad guy and not connected to blackmailers, whatever, there would be no files to to that wouldn't exist in the 1st place.
But if he was what people alluded to, that stuff's been gone for six years because that would be the first thing that you got rid of, because that's it's very easy to lose files. It's a lot harder to do that than to kill a guy in protective custody when everybody on the planet is watching him. And I don't, I'm not, I'll be honest with you, I've never listened to his podcast. I don't, I all I know about him right now is that he, he's not looking so great.
He's kind of getting bullied by Pam Bondi. And to me that, that seems kind of beta. But you know, hey, I don't know, I think he was in the military race, the Secret Service, right? Like, so obviously you know, not, not a, not a pushover, but you know, politically also not alpha. Yeah, I mean, it's, I mean it to get that job, I because I would say alpha because PSI is like I've said, ultra principled and he's like, yeah, if that's what you believe in, run off into the woods.
You know what I mean? If it's not, if it's not happening now, Bob, I would imagine you would disagree with that. Unfortunately, I don't really know anything about Bongino, but I I can still, I can still take a crack at it so. Yeah, that's a real content creator right there, baby. That's alpha. That's alpha. Now, as far as walking out on the job, whether it's principal or not will, I mean, I could tell you that. Well, First off, most people that have these cabinet jobs don't.
It's not, it's not even it's not supposed to even be a full term thing. You're usually there one or two years regardless. He's going to be spending most of his life on on a radio show. They even if everything goes successful with Trump, he's not going to be working in DC for life. So it is a better move if you're a snake. No principled guy to, to, to say, yeah, I was there and I and I pushed my chips in and they kicked me out and stuff like that.
Because you're going to be back on the radio soon. Like regardless of, of however things go, go well, but I just want to say real quick, it's an oxymoron. Like like, OK, let's say that the Epstein files were a repository of kompromat on the most powerful people in the world. It's, it's like an oxymoron to be like, OK, I'm the president and I'm going to release that. I'm going to, I'm going to fuck over exactly, exactly. Like if, if, if you would do that, you're saying those people
like are not powerful. Like what makes a person powerful? What makes a person influential? That's, that's that that people like the presidents rely on them. It's like the idea that you would you would fuck over at like every every influential, powerful person world. Well that it's it's like AI don't well, it doesn't make sense. I don't, I don't like, I don't. I don't get it. Yeah, I I guess to to say because I ultimately agree with
you. Like I definitely went down that rabbit hole a long, like I said a long time ago. It's like kind of weird when it pops back up, it kind of I think Netflix did a documentary on a very like kind of just normie, oh man, look at this guy kind of documentary about it. Then the Maxwell trial happens. She goes down. But I, I kind of, you know, I, I get where people are coming from though, because like I said, you know, to me, that's, that's why
you don't mention it ever. Because because again, it's a 0 sum game. You will never, you will like if it's as bad as ever, if it's as big and if it's this massive tentacled beast that ever that the maximalists think that it is. And I, I, to be fair, I think there's, there's some reason to believe that there's some good research done by people that like Whitney Webb and stuff that, that, that, that, that at least have shown that if there's
something there, but. To me, I wouldn't have even trusted a client list I got from Cash Patel. That's the thing. Like I, you told me the thing I'd be like, that's probably not even a real list. Like because of the implications of it. Like of, of like these people are running this blackmail campaign and it's all these multinational corporations. It's the head of all of these things. And it's one of these things to basically say like we, we picked
the president. You're, you're an Israel black male agent and stuff. Now, Cash Patel, if you guys look up Cash Patel's girlfriend is an Israeli intelligence operative. And he, he got the one that like you see on Twitter and stuff, you know what I'm talking about the IDF ones. He, he, he got one of those. So I, I, I found that out today and I was like, whoa, OK, I see why none of this shit happened, honestly.
Like, let's be real. So I definitely think there's some connections there, but it was, it didn't factor into any of my electoral process because I was just like, dude, that shit is not like that is not going to be changed in an administration. But then you started seeing the pictures of the binders and all of these things. And if I'm Dan Bongino, I'm like, well, I guess this is what we're doing. All right, The binders. Yeah, let's do it.
Then if there's some sort of rug pool, whoever put the, the, the, the SH on that, whether it's Trump, whether it's Bondi, whether it's whether it's the invisible hand, I get why Dan Bongino is like, wait, so do I get to do shit here? Do I get to do anything? Because he is, I'm looking at his history right here. You look at you look at
Bongino's ascendants right here. So like he just in the media sphere, he started the Bongino report in in December 2019 as an alternative to the Drudge Report because he said Drudge, Drudge was basically a libtard. He's like, I'm to the right of that Drudge, I'm supporting Donald Trump. This is going to do that. He got banned off of everything in 2020. Like a lot of people. He had to go to rumble and stuff and whatever in 2021. He ends up replacing Rush the Rush Limbaugh show.
I I think that's when Rush died. Damn. So he like he's a big deal. Like he's not like this isn't just some guy like you know what I mean? On the on the like media thing, like like it was Cumulus media. That's a massive company that just said you're the next Rush Limbaugh, you know what I mean? And so I thought it was and, you know, he was based during COVID. I thought his COVID stuff was really good. That was the only time that was when I first heard of him, to be quite honest.
Got a big contract with Westwood, one that's about as big as it goes in radio. And then he kind of left all that to do this. And I kind of think he was like, I should have just stayed doing media. I could have done my Epstein stuff. I could have done my, you know, this and that like, and I, I don't know, I, I, I have a tough time deciding because at the end of the day, you take a job with the FBI, right.
And the FBI is interesting because you know, our intelligence, you know, right now I see a lot of like people that are trusting the plan. I don't know man, the plan in terms of intelligence a couple years ago was how do we coop the president? Yeah. So I we're talking about like just a few months of Trump working that over in his favor. And I don't know if Dan Bongino looked and went like, holy shit, this is I am not a guy.
I am not Charles Bronson and death wish whipping around the bag and Nichols like, yeah, let's go get him. It's actually quite not that job. So I I'm like right in the middle man cuz like at the end of the day, is it is it alpha to walk out of like the greatest job in the world? He. Didn't go. Well. He didn't, actually. Walk out. Yeah. He hasn't done it yet. Yeah, you're right. He said I might walk out, which if, now if, if he does quit, then disregard everything I'm
about to say. But the idea of saying, well, leaking that I'm thinking about quitting is a way to tell his supporters, hey, look, I'm still that guy. I'm very angry about this, but I'm not actually going to quit my incredibly prestigious job with the FBI. And you know, the this stuff for normies are normies like normal human beings who don't think about politics constantly. They're always looking for one weird trick to solve the problem of politics forever, which is that's completely
understandable. But this is what the this Epstein file Mcguffin is. I, if there is still a file, if there's a file and it, it was the dossier that everybody thinks they could release it and nothing, nothing would change because that's not the structural reality of, of, of how the empire works doesn't change. So I think that it's crazy for people to put so much focus into this. However, that's just what that's what people are going to do. It doesn't.
I don't think it's. Necessarily hard to it like they that's what I mean they bring it to it like they signal boosted it in a way. It's like like you could have just let that thing be a fringe thing, but then it became like something that you would like on Fox News. I saw like a long discussion about Jeffrey Epstein. I was like damn. Like so with this whole like, like don't make it. It shouldn't have been any part of the campaign if if you wanted it to just be like not like I
don't know. That's the weird part. I get the people who feel rug pulled ultimately, like, again, what are you going to do? Yeah, what are you going to do with your vote? They were rug pulled. Yeah, they. Were rug pulled. What are you going to do with your vote though? What are you going to do with your vote? Vote with the person. But Gavin Newsom, like I just said, Gavin Newsom on Shawn Ryan couldn't commit to not castrating 9 year old kids. He couldn't commit to it.
And he has a nine year old daughter and he goes, yeah, that's crazy to me anyways, I will never support anything that belittle stranded people. And it's like, you know, so it's like at the end of the day, like you will have to weigh out like a binary, but also can still feel like rug pulled in that way. And I that's probably what Dan Bongino thinks right now. I got rug pulled but what else
am I going to do? They promised something that they couldn't deliver and they're going to be, they're going to be punished for that. Reputation wise, Bondi might lose her job. I think, I think Patel's out and I think and guess where Patel could go? Guess who's starting a third party that loves Indian people? Yeah, but good luck with that. No, I just mean, I know I'm not good luck with it, but that is literally a job waiting for him.
I bet is that like the H1 fucking B, you know, the program job like that is 1000% where he's going to go the minute because we don't forget like Trump will fire a lot of these people. And I'm not saying it's because of incoherent, it's just I think he's just going to fire a few people. So. Like he loves doing that. That's the.
Thing right so it's going to happen so I always when I see people that are so sure of this so sure of that I'm like he might fire these guys so just you know, there's no reason to you know, get that locked in on. It But in Machiavelli's The Prince, he says the first thing you should do when you take power is hire somebody to be one of your top your top guys, your top visible guys. This the biggest piece of shit
that you can possibly find. Find the most worthless sack of shit that everyone hates in the entire world and give him a top job. Stalin did this repeatedly with his, with his head of intelligence. Guys like Beria, I forget the guy before Barry, the bear you killed like that was his. That was his, his thing. He'd always had this monster in the background that everybody hated and every like 10 years he'd just kill him and get a new
one. This way, he said he's in Machiavelli. He says one day you'll be, these were kings, but you'll be in the medieval version of being behind in the polls. People won't be happy with you. They're going to be looking for a new looking, looking to cut your head off and at that moment, fire that guy, admonish him publicly, call him a shit bird. The people will love you. And it's it's, it's a, it's a own goal in reverse. You know what I mean?
It's, and this is like one of his is is it's, it's like a stupid trick, but he's like, this is a, a primary, a, a political lesson. I want to I want to as we close up here and I thank you guys for your time. I, I want to say the the the last thing I want to talk about now. I, I just know Bog, you've spent some time in Miami in your life, so I think you might appreciate this story. Maybe you knew this. I don't know. I am a sports historian.
It's no job for it, of course, but I just, I do it for the love of the game. I'm like, I'm like the Tesla of, of sports historians. I love the AFL and NFL merger time because I thought that was like the Wild West of a sport that now dominates all of sports in my opinion. So for anybody who doesn't know, there were two late football was nothing. If you watch old football from the 60s, you will turn it off immediately. It sucks. It's not fun. It's I, it's just completely not what you think.
Now. There used to be a, a rule in football like for a long time, I think up until like the late 60s where you could not block if you were on the offensive line, you couldn't use your hands. So you just blocked like a Mario flat Mario thing with your like, Bah, just like like it was, it made the game stupid, right? So it was just, it was just, it
was just dumb. So now during this time, and this is a job that still is done today, but you have a Rules Committee and a competition fair play committee in the NFL for 20 years, there was a guy who had the job and his name is not that important. But everybody around the world knew that. Or if you were in the guy, I should say, everybody around the the league knew that. The real chairman of the Rules Committee, his name was Don Shula. Don Shula also coached the team.
So you're in charge of the rules of the NFL. And he's made some great changes like using your hands and, you know, ushering in the forward pass, all these things. But he had a team go undefeated. It's the only team to ever do it go undefeated. 1972. 1972 now famously for anybody who doesn't know, whenever a team is like 13 and O, 14 and O nowadays. Now these guys I think are dead now. So I don't know if they still do this.
A lot of them are dead, but they, I think Mercury Morris might have been the last living member or living Hall of Famer, I should say of that, of that team. And but they would pop bottles in the champagne. Nobody's beating our record and and nobody has the 2007 Patriots almost did it, but they lost to the, to the Giants in the, in the, in the Super Bowl. They they they almost did it, but they didn't. So, but at the time, just thinking about like, OK, you are the undefeated team in the
league. Nobody can figure out why they can't beat you or anything. And you also run the fucking referee committee on there. It's kind of based when you think about it. And he had it until he was done. He was he was the most influential man in football bar
none for 30 years. And like you couple it with today, like if you were a team with the the Kansas City Chiefs right now, they're like obviously the number one team, you know, for the last six or seven years, you would say if their coach, Andy Reid always like, hey, I'm taking a new job in the NFL, but I'm still coaching. I'm going to I'm going to be in charge of the Rules Committee. Ever be like, what the fuck, dude? Don Shula was like, Hey, do you guys want to grow the sport?
Do you guys want to stop, make it to where Harvard and Yale aren't, where all the football players come from? Well, guess what? I get to go undefeated and win Super Bowls, but I'll fix your damn sport. So I thought that was kind of a nice patronage model. I don't know what you think of that. Well, growing up, I mean my growing up in Florida, I mean, my favorite athlete was Dan Marino. Quickest quickest release ever. Amazing. It was, it was, you know, I didn't realize it.
Like it's, I was obvious after sort of after like Dan Marino was the last guy who like play, who played quarterback in the 70s model. Because like when you were a, a, a, a Dolphins fan, you're watching this guy. He's throwing bombs over and over again. And like it's, it's blatantly obvious why no one does that anymore. Because by the way, when you were a fan at the time, this is Dan Marino. He was my opinion. He's the greatest quarterback
that ever lived. However, when he's no people wouldn't even agree at that time. They would say not only he. Didn't win, I mean, unfortunately. Not only, not, not only Montana, Steve Young, by the way, it's like, OK, Montana's the greatest quarterback in the world because he wins championship, OK, to replace him and the very the next guy, oh, he wins the championship. Maybe he's a little bit more than Joe Montana, but anyways, this he's throwing these bombs.
And then yeah, realize like, yeah, this is this is not a ideal way to play football. You should throw be throwing short pass, because every time that that he would chunk up the 75 yard bombs, you, you know, your heart would stop you like please don't get an interception. Please don't cause the turn out like well, you know, every game has sort of things that are OP in it that that give a game its
feel. And in, in, I think in in in American football, the turnover is like the most Opie thing. Yeah, turnover margin. I mean if you any successful team, you look at their turnover margin, it's usually in the plus and at a very high level. So and. And also someone who who throws like that, I know he had a fast release, but when you're dropping back to to bomb it, that there's giant line line linebackers and defensive ends
coming after you. And back then there were like roughing the passer technically existing as a penalty. It was a thing that could happen, but it was more theoretical than yeah. Yeah, they were getting killed. Yeah, like. Comanche Indian style execution in the backfield like you know, it was crazy. No, they Marino is it was incredible because Marino my dad still has my dad's not a Dolphins fan. He's just a football fan. He had a just a tape of in 1985.
The Bears were the best team in football wasn't even close. Dan Marino tore them apart. He was the only guy to do it. He tore them apart because he was had a quick release. His wide receivers were coked out of their mind, but they ran like 4 three 40s. So they get down field quick enough to where nobody could hit him. And it was Mark Duper and Mark Clayton were their names. They were both fantastic players, but they were, it was just, it was a lightning in a bottle, Miami Vice type thing
happening. And it was, it was really cool looking cool in the uniforms and everything. But I just thought that was interesting about Don, Don Shula running the lead. I mean, he's, he was, I, I mean, you could even say there was a Jim Clyburn element to, to Don Shula. Although I, I would say Don Shula might have won more things. I mean, just for himself, just himself. He's got more trophies for himself. He, he wasn't helping other people win.
He was, he was, he was winning this, this thing. And he's just the type of guy that like he has like 8 kids or he has like 8 successors either by marriage or by just like kid grandkids or stuff. They're all coaching in the league and stuff. We will have Shula's for all the rest of our lifetimes and beyond us. It's just unreal. So. I That's crazy. I have Jim Clyburn trading cards, by the way. Really are. They made by tops. Are they made by?
Are they made by tops or like upper deck or something? I don't know where I I have to go look, but they look just like a sports card and they're just pictures of Jim Clyburn in the back. That's all these these boondoggles that he that he's done or whatever. Like as far as the sports thing, I do want to say it's like, you know, the first technology of like the superior method.
We, we see this a lot. It's like in basketball, you have like like people didn't understand the time, but like Robert Horry was, was, was playing like next generation basketball before it was ready. The the I always think of the best version of this with with with football was that with quarterback was Jeff Garcia. You take a guy. I, I, I, I've, I've met him and I, I took a football to his house and got it signed. He's a very nice guy.
Awesome. Like cause 'cause Jeff Garcia was, he would just like we're talking like in his mid 30s. He's not super athletic. He's clearly not like a super gifted athlete in any way that that people recognized at all at that time. So you you had this sort of like like a really basic beta version of a guy that OK, he only he just does this one thing really well. He he can read an offense and get the and and get the ball out of his hands really fast. That's it.
But he did all this other stuff. No, he just he's bad at this. He's bad at that. He can just get rid of the ball really fast and read it and read the defense really fast and just quick get rid of the ball. 5 yard pass really quick and you're seeing this guy and he's still starting. He's 32, he's 33, he's 34. You're like, what is this guy doing? Still starting? And then, you know, later on you get generate. Now you get guys that are, they realize that's the methods.
Now you have super athletes, super talented guys that are doing the Jeff Garcia thing and this, this creates the next level. Yep, no, I mean like, like it's a guy like Randall Cunningham right now, guy he's kicking himself that he wasn't around. Like nowadays he's like freak guys. But yeah, guys, thank you once again for coming by. It's always, always a pleasure talking to you guys. Make sure you guys go check out. Check out good old boys on Patreon.
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