Patriots w/ Jay Curtis Miller

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It's funny it's like we never been hiding, but like I guess just people that listen on Spotify shows up on the thing. It's pretty funny, but we have a director, Jay Curtis Miller here today and recently I just watched his short called Jack, which was really, really good Halloween special. I think that's going to be something I return to every Halloween and stuff. But tell me about Knuckles right now. That is something that you're, you're, you're fundraising for it right now, right?

Yeah, yeah, we've got about a little more than a week to go, or I think tomorrow we've got one more week. But yeah, that's my next film project. It's kind of like a short film, proof of concept hybrid. And yeah, it's it's basically, it's so the past few films I've done has been horror, as you mentioned to Jack and this other short that they called MK Ultraviolence, and that was more

like kind of psychedelic horror. But I've been, as we'll talk about later in this episode, I've been wanting to do like a really cool fight scene for a very long time. It's been kind of like in my blood, I guess. And Knuckles is just kind of just one big long fight scene set in the trailer park on 4th of July. And yeah, it's in it. And throughout the fight you

kind of like learn why these two men are fighting and like their back story and all that stuff. It's kind of like my first foray into like non linear filmmaking. So that should be.

That should be fun, so. The fight, the fight scene is something I, I've noticed is, you know, you, you see these like trends come, you know, I feel like a couple years ago, everybody was like, especially during like COVID was sitting down and watching like Tarkovsky films, watching like high concept high, you know, you know, it's almost surrealist stuff, stuff that was kind of tough to grasp. I feel like everybody now just wants to like kick ass.

I've noticed like our our good friend Jay David Osborne, I've been going through his new book, which everybody needs to go out and get God's fair. No, better get that guys get it. It's great. But it's just fights. I mean, it's just, it's just guys getting their asses fucking kicked in and just, it's just like, you know, there's great all the stuff you can do around that. And not everything is just a John Wick movie, which I I like those too. But it's so much.

There's so much you can do when it's two men battling because that's what we don't really see much anymore. There's usually too many other moving parts involved that you know that takes away some of the fangs of these things.

Yeah, One thing I kind of when I was writing the script, even when I just had like the idea for it, I wanted to kind of get out of the whole like we're in a warehouse, we're in a SWAT team and handheld shakey Cam and just like one dude fight taking on like 10 guys and it's like all mix of mixed martial arts, karate. I wanted to get away from that. I just wanted like 2 dudes just like bare knuckled fists just

pounding on each other. It's, it's more stylized in like a boxing type of fight, less of like realistically it'd be like on the ground and wrestling. But I, I just, I don't know, I think there's just something really satisfying about them for like of a two of a good like 1-2 punch and just like being swollen faces, you know, blood gushing and sweating and all

that stuff. Have you guys ever seen somebody get like truly, I'm talking like knocked out, like punching like a raw steak sound like like have you ever heard seen that happen in real life? It is crazy. Like not in a controlled setting, not in like a like AMMA or boxing, but like outside a club or something. It's insane. I haven't seen that. The closest I ever got to was like 9th grade when I was like a freshman in high school during like 2 days during football season. There you go.

I think the seniors would kind of like haze the freshman a little bit. Oh yeah. And make a start. Like it wasn't even the seniors. It was like the sophomores because they had been like, yeah, Haze the year prior. They wanted to like. Dish it happen at the bit they they don't have senioritis. They're like still trapped in it and they're like, I'm not a freshman anymore. I totally know what you're

doing, I'm saying. And they're like, they're also like fresh meat for like the JV team that that goes up against the varsity team during practice because like the varsity, you know, the varsity team is like they need somebody to tackle like during these plays. But yeah, they like, I can't remember if it was like in between those really long 2 day practices, like after lunch or something, we had like an hour to like chill down before the next one and they were slap

boxing each other. And the like, the worst I ever got was like right on my right ear, like full palm, like hit me in the face and my, my ear just started ringing for like hours. And like, it kind of like kind of made me dizzy too. And like, we were doing like tackle drills because I was like on the offensive line and I just like almost passed out just like hours later, just this constant ringing and my like my ear was fully like swollen, all that stuff.

So. Were you a were you, were you a mauler or a tactician offensive lineman? Did you like to go run block or were you were you past setting and just, you know, crafting? I, I was third wheel trying to just like not get, trying to get into the game because I was so like terrible. I wasn't like, Oh yeah, I'm like on the shorter side. So like, I was definitely bulky, but I wasn't tall and big enough to like, you know, really like

protect the ball or anything. So I was just like, I was just here because like, yeah, trying to be popular and all that. Hell yeah. Oh, hey, I mean, that's the way to do it. That's the way to do it. That's the way to do it. So yeah, I'm. I'm thinking about. So. So I I'm, I'm, I love movies. However, making them is still such a foreign concept to me. And. And the more and more I hear about them, the less likely I ever would want to be a part of them.

The best thing is when somebody just goes hey, can you help me make my movie by clicking this link? Yeah, sure. I'm there. I'm absolutely there. Yeah, I love it. I'm loving this concept. But what, when you're, I think a lot of independent movies don't have a lot of fights. Are they, are they expensive to make? Like like a film that involves a lot of fighting, is that more expensive? I never know. You, you hear about like severance costing like $58

billion or whatever. And, and you're, I'm like, why, why does it cost? I never know why movies cost the way they do. We're talking about a couple big budget ones today. But the, the like a fight scene, like what goes into that? What you know in terms of spending? Most of the money is just kind of allocated towards getting the proper crew. Like the entire fight is set at night. So that's like a, that's like 2 overnight shoots. So like 8:00 PM to 8:00 AM sort of thing.

And nobody's showing up for free for something like that. So I, I want to make sure like the crew is compensated for their time. I haven't gotten too deep into like prep with like how I'm going to light it, but they have these things called Condor lights, which are these big massive light sources that you kind of just like shoot into like a white board and it just kind of casts a light everywhere

like on the set. So like you can see because it's hard to even with digital cameras now, it's like it's still like kind of hard to capture like all the nuances of the set and all that. So that's like a big reason. But for like fighting, I don't really see that costing like more than like an average horror film to me.

Because I'd hire on like a like a stunt coordinator and then they would just kind of like help me block it and rehearse the fight beforehand and be on set for like any sort of last minute tweaks during takes with the actors and all that stuff. But I think most of it is going into like the location and some of the fireworks around the fight. I said it was like set on the 4th of July.

So there'll be some fireworks in the background during that And, and just people like extras around the fight since it's a street fight. So that's like try to make it as maximalist as I can on this type of short film and budget. So that's that's where it's kind of going towards. Yeah, and it and and it's interesting because, you know, I, I wonder, I don't even know the way to ask this.

I listen to a lot of like Brett Ellis podcast where he just talks about like, you know, people will always ask him like, hey, Brett, I wrote a script the other day like where should I shop it? And he's like, I have no idea. He's like, I just I don't like I this this system that you're trying to get into doesn't really exist. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure it does to a degree. But I think what he's saying is like, this is not like, you know, rolling into Hollywood. You know, I got my script.

Who wants it? Like, right. You got to do everything on your own now, which, yeah, is a blessing and a curse, I would guess. Right. Yeah, it's easier now to make a movie of your like any like if you want to make a movie, it's you can totally do it right. One main band. I mean, obviously like friend of the show, like Low Res has done that twice with it is feature films. It's just when it's kind of like a like a sole director filmmaker type of endeavour, it's just going to take longer.

You can you can make a project easier these days, but it's like harder to get it seen. I think that's where we're kind of like in a weird space, but. Podcasting is very similar, by the way, Like, yeah, you can record it. Like the it's the easiest thing to ever record. It's the easiest thing you do. The hardest thing you do is for someone to go. Yeah, I'll listen to that.

Yeah. But in a way that's like, I mean, I can hear your take on it, but it like to me it's like almost a little bit more freeing because you kind of over time find your, your, your like your core audience. Like that's like, you know, it's a niche audience or sort of thing. And like, I, I don't know, like all these big, I don't listen to like big podcasts.

Like I, I can't stand like overdone, over produced, just garbage, you know, like that, that that's like, so we're in kind of like a cool like indie spot with like all sorts of media, which is exciting. We're. Going to get you right back to the episode, but I just wanted to let you guys know of a few other things we offer at Rare Candy Industries. We have a sub stack with free and paid subscription options. Free subscribers get access to all written content. That includes Bob's Red Pill.

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crickets. You know, I've, I've just I've noticed that is like you don't you have to be comfortable talking to nobody. You know, you have to be cut or feel, you know, your movie just just sitting on YouTube or whatever, like it just it's going to you have to be able. That's the hardest part of it all is just going like, I know this thing's cool. I felt this euphoric feeling when I got done with it. Why is nobody clicking on this?

But after a while, people one respect your consistency and and just love that. It's like there every week. Yeah, you know, and the podcast is very guest dependent. So a lot of times people go, oh, that guy's going on there, Maybe I'll check that out. But for the most part, you, I would hate to have a boss in this, you know, like it's it's I think we both would have got tired of this shit.

Even if the audience was three times the size, I think we both would have got tired of actually doing this shit if we had to, if we had somebody coming over with analytics. Yeah. And showing us like, hey, around the 30 minute mark of every episode, we noticed something Peters out a little or, you know, just just something like that would, would drive me insane. Now, I, I like, you know, I, I'm comfortable and I, I think I

speak for him as well. I'm comfortable with just kind of like we did this and this is what it is. And we can try whatever we want. It can fail and we could just try again next week, you know? Totally. Yeah, so I, I don't know, I, I, I mean, like you with film. It's the thing with film and I, you know, talking to people like low res, I'm like, man, you sit on projects forever, which that to me is the true torture. You know, it's just sitting on

something. If I have to sit on something for like a week, I hate it, you know what I mean? It's it's like that's the problem is like finding the right I for film. I'm just like, do you just put it on YouTube? Do you shop it to people like you have the finished product, Then what do you do? You know, that's always, that's the part I I find fascinating with film today. Yeah, YouTube does help, especially in the horror genre. You can upload like whatever

horror film you have. It has like a good thumbnail and it says horror like in all caps, like in parentheses, like it's going to get fed into some algorithm. And like a lot of like, a lot of people get noticed that way. But like I I've done the Film Festival route. Like I don't think I think that's like a dead Ave. to like pursue like I I mean, I I had a friend that like had this incredible short film last year and went like all over the country and other parts of the world.

And it's like I am nowhere closer of getting an actual movie deal made than I was before I made this. So it's it's tough. I think I don't know, like creating some sort of online fan base and then like releasing it that way, like direct to consumer could work. I don't know, because he's obviously you still want to be in theaters and like get because that's that's what we're making

it for. Like even every time I I make a short film, like I'm setting up the shot for this gonna be in theaters, right, Even if it's it's like just got to play in some crappy Film Festival and like some, you know, hardly could could call it a theater, but I don't know it.

It's it's definitely tough. But I think that I think like the more you go like do it yourself, like that Ave. And the more you do it, I think you're bound to, like, reach those deals later on because I think that's basically like Sean Baker's story, you know, like. Director of Anora who just won for Right, That's what you're talking about.

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I, I, I think that's, I think that's the way to go, 'cause it's like you, you know, when you're doing stuff independently, you do sometimes go like, what am I doing though? Like what, how long can I do this? There's kind of a clock ticking. Sometimes you, it's tough you when you're, you know, the wrong side of 30, you know, especially like, they're just kind of like, how long, how long can I

actually do that? How long can I actually, like, carve out time in the evening and, and step away? And, you know, even if the number goes up a little bit, you're kind of like, yeah, but when's the when does the big thing happen? Does the big thing happen? But you know, that's why it's like nice. Even though it's a completely dead archaic system, it is nice to hear people like, you know, the random, I don't know, the random directors of like the 70s that everyone champions now.

Like they took L after L after L on like grand scales. And you're just like, wow, that is a special kind of humiliation is like, you know, and then you get a guy like Francis Ford Coppola who takes who takes a job that ends up being the godfather. You know what I'm saying? And like you do a similar thing. I noticed. I don't, and I'm not saying you're taking a job, but like, you do music videos. Yeah, quite a few of them, including a guest that we've had on the show, Mario Cuomo.

You did The Leftovers music video, which is fantastic. That was a fantastic music video. Great. Great song, by the way. I mean, it's a great song, great video. He was telling the story that happened kind of like that was just like a go, go, go thing, right? Like it just, it was real quick. Yeah, he had sent me the song back in like August or September of last year.

We shot it in November and it was just a matter of like, when can we schedule a date for you to come down to Nashville, shoot this in like a day and have it done and ready by like Thanksgiving. So like, we worked out those kinks. But like I wanted it's weird because like it's weird doing like night shoots for a music video because actors are not going to stand, like are not going to hang around like after 10 on a music video.

That's like pretty low budget. Well, when you if you decide to do rap, they will. By the way, I'm just kidding. Of course, yeah, yeah. I've not done rap. I've done close to rap, like country rap. I don't know if that. Yeah, yeah, I got. You but yeah, like so that's like just awkward timing. So like the the shoot ended up being like 5 hours, but like when it's in such a like a tiny kitchen, I was in my friend's

kitchen. Like you're you're able to just move around quickly and get angles much quicker than like moving location and moving crew. And I had a pretty small crew like some of my friends from other music videos I did. So that's like kind of what made it so fast and like editing.

It took me longer to edit than to like film because that one was just like there's so many different like angles and shots of Mario that I wanted to kind of like savor and like see where I can throw that in at the second chorus. I like throwing in like different angles at like the second or third chorus and then just like cutting together the storyline. That was just kind of like the

challenging aspect of that. And I'd imagine being in Nashville puts you in proximity to some decent artists to to do to do music videos too, I would imagine. Yeah, I'm mostly working like country music, mainly editing, but lately I've been kind of directing like smaller. They call them visualizers now. They just like the official music video that you see on YouTube is starting to die down.

And that that makes basically means like they're cutting budgets in like half, but they still want a video for content. So it's kind of like a glorified performance video. So that's like kind of where I come in. But like if you look at music videos from like the 80s and 90s, most of those are like glorified or like not glorified. They are like the pinnacle performance videos.

It's just the artist like lit really well and shot really well except for David Fincher, Michael Bay who made some pretty awesome videos. Fincher did a Madonna video right? I think so. Yeah, I forget which one, but I know he did a Madonna video. But yeah, I mean, like I said, there's a long standing history with film directors doing music videos. It happens. Yeah. Yeah. I think David Lynch did the Wicked game one right for Chris Isaac, I think.

Or maybe I have that wrong. I'm not sure. He's done some of his own. These videos are super bizarre. Yeah, yeah, Wicked games kind of chill, Yeah, compared to that, but yeah, absolutely. So what I mean when you're when you're a kid, I mean, is this a passion you've had since you were a kid? Is this something you picked up in your in your, you know, in your 20s or whatever? Or did you like, what's the thing? What's the thing you watch that was like that?

I want to I want to do that. Well, I mean, like it's like, honestly, it's these two movies. Like weirdly enough, like I, I, I saw Rocky way before cliffhanger, but that's like what got me onto like the Stallone kick. But yeah, I've been wanting to do this ever since I was like, really young. Like for some reason, like back when we had VHS, I'd like record like every like Sunday night

movie. And that to me felt like filmmaking by pressing the record button and then like taping over it felt like editing out of it. But yeah, like, yeah, just basically want to do it since I was like, really young. And it just found like music videos was like a good way to just kind of like, almost like a real film school where you could kind of like experiment and like, kind of like mess around with stuff and like learn how to like Amanda crew and craft and all that stuff.

Yeah, sweet. Well, I mean, that's a perfect segue into let's talk about cliffhanger first, because I don't know a lot about Sylvester Stallone.

I did not grow up watching Sylvester Stallone. I mean, you do, but not in the way that a lot of people do. He was not the everybody had their, like, action hero staple in their house. And typically, I've noticed it was somebody that like, the mom thought was hot and then the dad thought was cool and they had like a mutual appreciation. And then as a kid, you watch all their movies. For me, it's the second guy we're talking about.

But, but Sylvester Stallone and I have seen now I've seen a lot more Stallone films. But I I mean, he has an interesting origin story. I mean, I'll tell you that much, but. Yeah. Tell me about Stallone before we get into cliffhanger. What? Why Stallone? Why is he such a such an institution? Well, for me it it all started with Rocky. I guess like my personal journey with Stallone, it's all about like just seeing that I, I can remember like clear as day.

When I first saw Rocky, I was just like, I think it was like a snow day and I had nothing to do. And I was just like walking around the house and my dad was watching Rocky. And it was that scene where he confronts Mickey at the gym asking why he never gave him a shot. And then he tells him he's just like nothing but a loan shark and had the talent. But now that he's like 30, like you're washed up as a boxer and like, you wasted all that time breaking knuckles and like not,

you know, fighting in the ring. And I had no idea what that meant when I was like 5 or 6 years old. But like, just the way he walked, the way he talked, like his cadence in his voice was very just like unique for a leading man. I can't remember I should know this like off the top of my head, but he was born with like a a cleft palate or something like so it's like half of his face is kind of like droopy and paralyzed a little bit like very miniscule. I might be completely wrong on

that fact. But like that's kind of like what gives him that Stallone draw because his like brother doesn't have it. So he just has like kind of like that kind of unique persona going on. And for me, it's just like he kind of, he kind of does what we're all doing right now. He like wrote Rocky for himself in like a three day span based off that one boxer. I know his first name's Chuck. I don't know like everybody's

name like verbatim. But like, he knocked, he knocked out, I think Muhammad Ali in like the third or fourth round. Which is, yeah, I know you're talking about, yeah. Yeah, Chuck Web Webner. I don't know. I could be wrong. Yeah. So he saw that. I think he saw that live at like Madison Square Garden and then. Yeah, Chuck Wetner, Chuck. Wetner yeah. And then he just like, stayed up for three days and started riding Rocky.

And then he he would not back down, you know, when he was trying to shop this around to studios because they wanted like Burt Reynolds or I think even like Frank Sinatra. It was like there's like, there's always like that list of actors that like was going to play this role. But he like went back down. He like sold his dog that he bought back during production, whose butt kiss.

So like that kind of like that. I don't know that kind of like like endurance or something is just like always captivated me. And I, I think I saw Cliffhanger like a right, right around the time I saw the Patriot too, is that they were both like on TV. Yeah, yeah. And like, I don't know, like for me, I think I've seen Cliffhanger more than like any other movie, especially at Stallone's, because that opening scene and re watching it last week, it's like, it's so gut

wrenching. It's like his, I think Cliffhanger is like his Mission Impossible because like they do that huge helicopter shot where he's like underneath the Cliff and it's really him, you know, climbing that mountain. It's like insane. I don't know that that movie just has such a propulsive like pace to it. There's like no fat at all to it. It's just like go, go, go. It it's crazy and you think cliffhanger is really cool like it's I I had never seen it

actually. Yeah, I had never seen it. I I knew what it was. It was it's I was like wow, a Denver Co like rock climbing action drama. It sounds incredible and Stallone looks like hyper jacked in this. It's it's out of control. But he just lats like just lat pull ups all day. It's just it's just such a like a show off like testosterone Stallone movie and it's got this. I mean, you think it blows its wad early, particularly with the

with the plain towing scene. Like you think you're like, how do you like OK, the rest of the movie is going to be lame like after this, because you and then you're like, Nah, actually, a guy gets rammed into a into a icicle and icicle, but like alone doing like a like like a guy. It's amazing. I I love it. I was like inside. Did you have you seen this

movie? Before, no, I I didn't know about it, but then once I I totally got it, I was like, Oh yeah, I see what this is. And yeah, I love the back story. Michael Rooker, he's just getting taken to L after L the whole movie. I know. Michael Rooker, who played Henry Lee Lucas in Portrait of a Serial Killer, which is an unhinged ass movie. Like you're just, I can't. You can't. It's like, it took me a while. I was like, damn, that's Henry

Lee Lucas right there. And I, I gotta be, I, I'm not ashamed to admit I'm like, oh, that's The Walking Dead guy or the Merle or whatever. You know that from the early. I've never even seen that. Yeah, he's like the brother or something. Yeah, so. Interesting. John Lithgow. I mean, you have John Lithgow hitting the British accent. Love it. Yeah, Every, every.

I just love these like I love I it's got everything that's like really cozy about that era too, of just like guy like, you know, big action intro and then guys walking with like folders. This guy's a bad fucking guy. This.

Oh yeah, dude. This folder you open it up, look at all this crazy shit he did and you know, and then the like the and then the beautiful, the beautiful Colorado scenes, the beautiful horse ranch, whatever the horse rehabilitation ranch with this horse girl, ex-wife, girlfriend, I have no idea. He's wearing like a wedding ring. I cannot couldn't even remember what their relationship was but. I didn't catch that. Well, she had a wedding. He had a wedding ring on. It's interesting.

I was like, wait, is there like a dead wife or something? It doesn't matter. Yeah, it like literally doesn't matter. Yeah, it doesn't matter at all. It's like, it's kind of feminine of me to observe that, to be honest about Stallone. But it was just hilarious. But I yeah, shout out to Leon, by the way, I love yeah, Leon. He popped the I just the other day. We cut, you know, with low res. We covered above the rim where

he's with with two. He's Tupac's brother in Above the Rim and he's an ex basketball player who threw a dream away. And and he also played David Ruffin in the Temptations movie, which was something I watched over and over and over again as a kid. It's probably bad, but I just like, had it on all the time just randomly. And then I was like, he's like Ichiro. He just has like one name in the credits. I love it.

Yeah, absolutely. Like he's not a star in any way, shape or form, but he's like, yeah, I only have one name. It's Leon. Yeah. I just. I know that shit. Like growing up I was like, who is that guy? Because they like never like match 2 was playing who it was like Leon who's I was always like guessing which actor that was, but. It's it's incredible. But yeah, I just like this seems like this seems like such a a, a fun project, you know what I mean?

Like such a fun thing to make. Like, you know, there's like, it's probably got the same arduous process that making any movie is, but you're just like, as the viewer, you're just like, that looks so fucking sick. Oh, it's so fun. You know, like kids playing with toys, like ramming vehicles together, Michael Bay and South Park kind of thing.

The the helicopter, like I remember getting like a helicopter that looked like that for Christmas because I was so obsessed with that that movie and I'm like I'm single digits like, you know, kid watching this movie it like re watching it. It's still like kind of holds up when like obviously in like some of the wide shots when the the helicopter's like hanging, like they're hanging from a quite a

distance. Those step men are like fighting on this helicopter and there's like, no, I'm assuming there's like a safety net underneath, but I'm like that could still like break and fall. Like obviously like Stallone and Jonathan Lithgow were probably in like a studio, but that still like looks insane and sick to me so. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, you hear about that too. Like you hear about the Sam Peckinpah, like stuff like people just like fall.

Like there's, there's a scene, I heard J David Osborne bring this up and I I I know exactly what he's talking about. There's a scene in like the Wild Bunch and this is what, late 60s where there's a guy who like gets shot like western style out of like the top of a, you know, like a two-story kind of thing. And he just falls and he falls really awkwardly. Like, I don't think he was meant to fall on this random piece of wood. And I'm like, did that guy die?

That guy? I have a feeling that guy died or something. Or I had like internal bleeding or something. Something like insane where I was like, man. And then like, that's why when you watch like Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, like the Cliff Booth character played by Brad Pitt, it's like it when you realize like what stuntmen actually do for like, like in in Hollywood, it's I don't know if it's that way anymore.

It's probably not. It's probably all Marvel with like the little light bulb things all over you. You know, I'm assuming that's how stuff does. But man, there was an era where it was like stuntmen were probably so tight, like. Oh yeah, I think there's like, I don't know why this reminds me of this movie, but obviously like animals too were like dead in like some of these older

movies. Like I don't know if you've seen Heaven's Gate, there's so many shots of these like horses that take like head dives on the side of mountains. I'm like, that horse is dead. Even if it like walked away, it's like that's you know, it's insane, but. Andre Rublev is another one which is crazy where like there's a horse that like there's a battle, there's the Mongols or whatever that are invading the rush.

It's a very old school movie. And I just know in like Communist Soviet Union, like they were not tripping off killing an animal in a movie as well. And especially in, you know, in the city. I forget when that was made by the 60s or something. And there's a horse that like runs up some steps like out of fear and then just straight topples down and falls down. I was like. Oh yeah.

I'm pretty sure that horse died and that's like it's it's sad and and and police story is another one if you watch. The That's a good one. The first police story with Jackie Chan, you're like, holy shit. Like the the stuff that that movie alone is like just for the stunts is like unreal. And it is this very funny movie too. But I was just like, these movies are are crazy. But like, yeah, they keep the deaths keep getting crazier and crazier in cliffhanger.

That's what I like about it. And it's, you know, the the name is a bit of a double entendre, but like it's it's just like it was, it was so fun. We my wife and I watched it. You know, you open some beers and just throw it on. It's just totally one of those movies which is a genre that doesn't exist anymore. Not so much the that action, but the like, open up some beers and have some fun movie, Yeah.

Like the closest, the closest we get is like Top Gun Maverick, which is like a really good movie but it's not as like gory or violent. Like I would argue cliffhanger in parts is like a slasher, especially how he kills Leon. Leon with the blood in his mouth. The blood in his mouth is crazy. You're like, whoa. Yeah, and it kind of comes out of nowhere, like you think he's about to Stolen's about to get killed and he just like hits him in the balls, grabs him by the balls and just shoves him

through that like little. It's not an icicle, but it's like something in a cave. The Transporter movies were like the last time I remember just thinking like, look how cool this guy is. Then he's going to be cool and nobody's going to kick his ass. There's going to be times where you're going to think like, oh man, he's really, he's really gotten himself into it now and then. But he but you know, they're going to get out of it.

Like John Wick is great. I like the John Wick movies, but he's kind of like a sad sack character a little bit. And then there's like that, that God awful Bob Odenkirk one where he's like John Wick. Yeah, terrible. Just like I I was like, no, no, no. Can the guy be cool and like appealing and like women get excited about him? You know what I mean? Like, can that be a thing? Can we can we scratch primal itches with these movies a little bit?

Yeah, the thing about like that movie with Bob, Bob Owden, Kirk, Nobody, Yeah, nobody. It's trying to take in every man and make him like a like an assassin and can kick everybody's ass and kill everybody. But like the way movies like cliffhanger and die hard and even like Lethal Weapon, they're able to take these like larger than life guys and like they have like kind of there he goes again. I love that it was like cameo.

They're able to take back these larger than life guys and like give them like every man like back stories, but like also make them like super likeable and like basically like these killing machines. But it does it so well. I don't know, like like for me, like John Wick, it's it's fun, but it's it's like take. It's like it's taking it till itself like too seriously, but also not at the same time.

It's like doesn't know how to commit like these movies like like cliffhanger, like the character Gabe Walker. It's like this is just who he is. Like he's able to like protect himself because he's he knows these mountains, but it also is kind of funny. It's like he has no qualms about killing these guys anyway too. It's like, it's not even like brought up as like a as like a thing, you know? Right, So you're right. And and nowadays I think you have like there, it's weird.

There's there's obviously you can go back and a lot of like kind of like movie podcasty people will go back and like Cobra is a big one with the one that they do and they go, this is absurd. Let's laugh at it like this is absurd. But then like nowadays you see the new films that are like this, like let's take that Bob Odenkirk movie. The irony's baked in already. It's almost like they're waiting. They're trying to avoid that crowd a little bit.

And I'm like, Nah, just like let them do that. Like it's fun. Who cares? Like, like it's still, you know, I could, if I wish I could have seen cliffhanger on like a in the era of like big sprawling cinema of the early 90s where I could just be like, that's playing this weekend. I saw the commercial for that on the football game this weekend. I'm going to go see that. And then you're just like next weekend. Something else is really cool is coming out too.

But like, yeah, you know what I mean? Like it was just no big deal. And and and you don't worry. You weren't worried about like, yeah, I could get bad reviews, but not really like a movie. Like that's not if it's done that well, it's going to do well. You know, it's if it's that well, it's going to do well.

Well, like they put, they put so much and I would, I wouldn't call this, I don't know if this is like an average action movie of the 90s because like this was like pretty big budget for its time. I think it was like 50 million, which is like 150 or 200 now. So like definitely putting like a lot of stake into it, but it's not like they're on location

like filming in these mountains. They're like freezing their ass off like half the shots are like not like I don't know how much you know about like continuity, but like half these don't match because it's like snowing in one shot. And then it'll be like overcast, like slightly overcast sunny because it's like that's they're on location, you know, and like you can't you can't get those vistas anywhere else.

Like now they just put it in like a like a VR background, like moving background, but like that. And then like that stunt that was like mentioned earlier on the planes, like that's a real guy, like sliding across 2 planes and like that's like 3 planes up in the air. And like this cameraman is just like trying to film it, make

sure it's like in focus. You know, it's, I don't know, like that's why you go to the movies, you know, like that's because you want to see these like larger than life spectacles on screen. And that's like going back to your comment about like Cobra and how these like it's really annoying, like podcasts like make fun of it. It's like, dude, like you have what else are you going to do? It's like that's what at the at the time, that's like what made

movies so special. You know, it's like, it was cool. It still is cool. It's like, but you're not like cool enough to like get it and you have to make it so ironic. But I could. That's like another tangent. Well, there's a little too much testosterone for them to actually lean into it sometimes. Like they're trying, they're trying to hate on something because it's not in vogue anymore, you know, I mean, we got like, maybe they're hating on it to hate on it.

Like there's this classic laugh at everything big problem when you go to screenings now and stuff of people just laughing. Like that was my best. I went and saw Terrifier 3, which I don't think is as good as two. A lot of people liked it more than two. But I went and saw it and people were, First off, there were kids in the audience. People were just like kids, which I'm like, you should not take your for kids to see this. And and but then everybody was laughing.

I'm like this, like there's parts of terrifying that are kind of funny, but like they're laughing at like everything. And it was just people laughing at gore. And I was like, this doesn't, I don't like this, you know, like there's people laughing. I went to, I went to see like 4 David Lynch movies at my local theatre, like art house theatre because I'm like, I'm gonna hate the experience of watching it with these people, but I have to see this.

I've never seen David Lynch movie on the big screen. I have to do it. And like it's the same, it's the same thing. It's like they're laughing at all the, the moments that are like inappropriate to laugh at. Like they were laughing at like Isabel Rossellini. And near the end of the movie Blue Velvet where she's like fully naked, but it's like not as sexy naked.

She was completely like raped and like beat up and like, she's asking for help and they're like laughing at it because she has like a funny voice and they're like, laughing at like throughout a lost highway like it was. Laughing at Lost Highway. That's not allowed. I know it was like, but it's funny because they would laugh at like, the memeable stuff. Yeah. Robert. Robert Loggia or. Whatever, he says some funny things at least. That his PSA about not tailgating is like something I

lived by all time. But like but I could I could sense they were getting uncomfortable during all the like sex scenes and nude scenes, which is interesting. Like I could hear some like people squirm. It's like, I don't know, like they want to laugh at it, but they also can't handle it at the same time. Well, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're look, they're like. Was the intimacy coordinator consulted during this? I know not my poor, sweet David.

He's a eunuch. He would never do something. It's like, no. David Lynch has a libido like every man used to. You know, I like, like, David Lynch likes all of this. I I hope you understand this, guys. David Lynch is a pervert. Yeah. He's a big time. Pervert. RIP. He's like, RIP, huge pervert, but he had the aw shucks, aw shucks, yes. Where everybody didn't know what it like. Everybody was like, oh, that David, he's he what he's doing is art.

It's like, no, it is art. But he's also a pervert. He's yeah. There's no especially after watching Lost sideways like he, there's something going on there you like, and he got away with it like you know. Still my favorite. That's still my favorite Lynch movie. I love that movie. That's great. Yeah. So, yeah, that, gosh, what was I going to say? Oh, who is the Doctor Phil guy? This movie, the guy looks like Doctor Phil. I see him all the time.

I love him. I see him all the time in movies around this era. That's Rex Lynn. I think he's married to. What's her name? She's that country * Reba. Reba Mack. He's married to Reba Mackintyre. I think so, yeah. I think they just got married like five years ago. I was looking on his Wikipedia page. But yeah, he's he's he's my favorite.

Like he has so many funny like excess cursing, like curse words and like lines, especially when he's calling out Eric Whelan, the very end on the walkie-talkie. Like that sound like the best unfiltered, like, you know, rants in an action movies like this. But yeah, he was in. I know he's in rush hour. Yeah, I don't know what. Else another classic and this is a 90s classic, kind of forgotten classic for me. I don't think this movie did that well in theaters.

Maybe it did. But breakdown Kurt Russell, that movie rules. It's just straight up like California desert trucker trucker thriller. Oh my God, so classic. Like Kurt Russell plays like, not a yuppie, but just like a suburban guy and he and his car breaks down and he's like, I'll send my wife by herself to go get help. This trucker is really nice. He'll take her somewhere and then she's kidnapped. And then it's Kurt Russell. Fight or flight mode the rest of the movie. Fantastic.

OK, maybe. Yeah, I highly recommend. Yeah, I love it. But yeah, Cliffhanger was just really fun. I was like, man, can movies just be fun now? Like I'm so I'm so sick of like the letter. I mean it's just like letterboxed and like Reddit. I feel like directors now the 4th wall or the wall between that is like broken. I feel like directors have that in their mind is like, what are people in letterbox and Reddit? And are people going to pick it

in the Criterion closet? I'm just like, dude, please make theaters are dying for theaters are dying for reasons out of their control. But also, there's just not that fun theatre movie that isn't Marvel, that isn't an already successful IP. Yeah, you know that. Like just make a fun exploding movie. Like, gosh, like it's, I don't know, maybe it's tougher than you think. I don't know. But yeah. I don't know. I don't know how you bring back that kind of sincerity of a of a

movie. That cliffhanger is in that kind of category, that kind of bombastic, kind of like, well, it's a Stallone vehicle, so it's Stallone and then it's cliffhanger. So like you're paying for Stallone first and then you're paying for like the movie under that, which you don't don't really have any more. The closest we have is like Mission Impossible, which I'm a huge fan of. So every time that comes out, I'm like there day one, but like, but that used to be the

norm. That's that wasn't like a rarity. It was like, you know, I don't know, like it, you're right. Like the, the whole letterbox thing, the Reddit thing. It, it, I'm not going to lie, it is a thing that I feel like you think about when you're making something and it's like, I don't know, like I think directors were more concerned about like getting their days done, like having no cell phones on set, like having nothing but time to think about the project. And then also doing cocaine on

the side probably helped. Absolutely, yeah, 100% one of the best, like just of the like the the I'm not going to call him shitty because I don't think this movie was shitty, though I haven't revisited, but like I remember my grandfather him and I like he he was like really old like for my grandma. I think you had my dad when he was really old and then he was really old when I was a kid and he was just, I didn't dislike

him. I ended up as I got older, I loved him, but I just didn't like know what to like talk to him about when I was just 8 or whatever. And he, he one day he took me to see a movie and he had seen it on TV. It's called Triple X. First he's like, you know, my grandma's like you're taking him to porn, you know, and, and so then we go and see it and he thinks like, I'm just going to really like it. I'm going to like score points with my grandson.

And I did love it. And we're both just like eating M&M's and just like straight up jaw on the floor. My grandpa who's like maybe the last movie that he had really, he was like really into like movies like Crimson Tide and like, oh sure, yeah, great movies, but like ship dramas, Navy, like, you know, stuff Gene Hackman, stuff like that. But he was just like, this is a dude jumping out of a plane into a Dodge Viper and then like like an already running Dodge Viper.

And the guys, it was Vin Diesel. And my grandpa couldn't stop talking about it for like 5 years. It was not even like I'm sure me being there was a lot of fun for him, but he was like, no, the movie was sick. He was like, and he watched like. I think he watched the first Fast and the Furious because of it. Like. This is Vin Diesel because he's like that's what you did. His era was like what is the next, you know, Charlton Esten

movie, you know what I mean? Like his era, like whatever he's doing next, that's what we're going to go see. I don't know, kept up with the franchise. I don't think he did with Fast. There is, but or the ice? I don't think. I don't. For some reason I don't think he followed the Triple X Ice Cube version. For some reason, yeah, State of the Union, that was just like a sequel, but like spin off, I don't know. Yeah, I don't think I think already the bald Italian was a stretch for him.

But the, you know, Ice Cube might have been too A bridged too far. Yeah. Should we talk about the Patriot? Yeah. The pay any, any last thoughts on cliffhanger guys? I, I I, I mean, we could always come back to it, but I, I, I loved it. Highly recommend. What's that? No, I think we're good. I'm good. OK. I'll probably bring it back up, but. Of course, Stallone Gibson, Of course they fought once. You should have sent me a clip. They fought in The Expendables 3.

Yeah, Mel Gibson and Stallone. That's so tight. Like, I know I never watched those. I I haven't watched any of them. I I was like, that can't be good. But like, I know some people that actually quite enjoyed them. I've only seen one and two. 2 is better than the first one. The first one. Stallone directed the first one and he did that right after Rainbow four, or Rainbow as it's

called, which is really good. But like Rainbow has like kind of like a serious tone to it. It's like horrifically violent. And the first Expendables movie is like not having fun with itself. Like it's taking itself a little too seriously with like there's like a full on waterboarding scene that's like in detail, like handheld up close. And it goes on for like 2 or 3 minutes and it's like, can we get back to Dolph Lunderyn, like? You know, exactly. That's what I'm here for.

I'm here for the, I'm here for to watch these guys like, you know, who were staples, you know, and it's, it's basically like a Marvel Universe, like Avengers, but for these guys, you know. Predated Adventures 2 that's. True. Yeah, There you go. From the Five. To the six we be in the mess without making me paint job on the wind. I need food for the kids, money for the red.

So The Patriots is directed by Roland Emmerich and he directed Independence Day, I think was his biggest smash. I would guess this one was too. He would eventually do like 2012 I think was another one. I don't, I looked at his filmography and I'm just like, yeah, there's it's just all like disaster movies that I don't watch typically. Like, I mean, not that I don't, I avoid them, but I was like, oh man, this guy really didn't do much else, did he?

Like that was worth it. But hey, had two smash hits and, you know, as Orson Welles says, you only need one, which I don't think. I don't think it's true. He just made Citizen Kane. Yeah, Yeah. All right, dude. And. At 25. At 25 years old, dude, I heard Peter Bogdanovich talk about because I covered The Last Picture Show not long ago, and he was like, I felt like such a failure because I said if I didn't make my first feature by 25 like Orson Welles, I felt like such a failure.

I was like, dude, shut. Up, yeah. Like, like, like you're going to make me suicidal. It's it's 23 because Paul Thomas Samson did heart eight at 23. It's like we could bam off the brakes. You got time, you know. I'll put it to you this way, I don't think Heart 8's any good. So he didn't make his first good film after for a while to be. Honest, I'll totally.

Like, I mean, it's impressive. It's an impressive for like what it was, but I was and the fact that he got the people in it that were in there, I was like, wow, that's that's pretty impressive. But I remember I went through like all his filmography. I was like, yeah, that's people like pretend that that's his best movie and I just. Don't think it's not Boogie Nights is his best. I love There Will be blood but Boogie Nights. For Boogie, Boogie Nights is the most like rewatchable.

Like There Will Be Blood is like you get a craving for it every couple of years and you watch it and you're like, Oh my God, the you know, the scene of leaving his son on the train. You're just like, oh God, yeah, it's a it's this like it takes so much out of you. Whereas Boogie Nights is like, holy shit, that's like an A porn epic. Like it's never happened and it's so cool. So then OK, the the patriot I this was a movie like you said.

I watched like over and over again, like on TVI think I but we grew. I did not have money growing up, but my parents had HBO. Like there would be times like our phones would be off, like straight up. But like the TV was popping like, yeah, like which, hey, I would do the same thing. Yeah. Why would I wanna hear the bill collectors call? And but the cable bill with HBO was on. And that was like, not everybody had HBO back then like you do now. And I the patriot was always on.

I heard her watching it and I was like, this movie's fucking sick. And and then like you would rewatch it And what makes it so cool? Obviously Mel Gibson makes it so cool. Mel Gibson dad core. Like, yes, it's it's you cannot Mel Gibson dad core era from which was from, I guess 2000 up until that cartel, that blood father movie, which is great. Yeah. That was like that era of like just 10 years of I think a decade of Mel Gibson dad corps movies. Signs, which I am an apologist

for. I love Signs. Yeah. And I'm forgetting a couple, I'm sure, but like just just those edge of darkness. Ransom he's a, he's avenging his like, yeah, Ransom that that has an awesome fight scene at the end too. Yeah, dead wife core too. Big time widower. He's a big time widower guy. Like wife is like always dead in the movie. And I would watch it over and

over again. But what makes it really crazy is that it starts off like literally like Disney level corny, like just like, wow, these are like Disney level corny, but like the sprawling, beautifully shot, like fields and like all this is incredible. And then it turns into like disgusting gore and out of nowhere, like guys legs getting sawed off and you're like, what is this? As as I get older and older, I'm like, I can't believe this ever

happened. And it's a by the way, it's a movie about America, which a lot a lot of people probably don't like, you know, right. I love it though. Sigh. You, you're a big fan. And yeah, you and I are in agreement on this, right? It's better than Braveheart. Yeah, it's always been my favorite. It's the best. And I'm not a Mel Gibson expert by any means, but it's always been my favorite male. And I tried from, I watched it mainly, I gotta be honest, in clips.

So were you watching for this time? Because I couldn't find it online. It was on Tubi, but it wouldn't let me click it. And it was in like Spanish. Yeah. And I was just. But but it rules. Oh, no, the span. No, that sorry. By the way, the Spanish is English. I because when I rented it on prime, it said El Patriota. El Patriota, which is tight. Yeah, like that is tight. It is like yeah, it is tight. Yeah, like, but but I was like, what is it? Because they're doing weird

things to Mel's movies. I've noticed they took Isaiah 33, the scripture out of Passion of the Christ ran on streaming service. Yeah, interesting. I have thoughts on that. That I won't say. Right. Is that the is that the opening verse? Yeah, OK. Yeah, by the by the way, I forgot to comment on Cliffhanger, the title card, one of the best ever title.

Yeah, but yeah, but The Patriot Yeah, but on the I just saw somebody on Twitter post that and I haven't rewatched it and I have a DVD copy of it, but I rented Passion of the Christ last year. I was bleeding wisdom teeth out, wanted to wanted to bleed with my savior, you know, and solidarity with my Savior. But I I was watching it and it was on during that because it's a beautiful verse. But yeah, like there are people like reporting. It's just gone like from the current.

I'm like, that is weird. Yeah, yeah. So just that's technically Mel Gibson dad core movie in a way too Passion of the Christ. Think about it. Yeah. The dad. Yeah, yeah, that's interesting. But yeah, I you're. But you're like, I love the. I just love this movie because for one, it's such a formula. And I love the formulas of these movies, like the formula of the Stallone vehicle, the Mel Gibson. You're allowed to. You can do more things with Mel than you can Stallone.

I mean, I just, you just can. And because Mel Gibson is the best movie crier to ever exist. 100%. Dude, his twitching of his face, it kills me. Like when he's when, when he's holding Heath Ledger, you're just like, like it's so. Sad wretching. It's not. Wretching that and the even the scene when he says goodbye to his daughter and the daughter finally like talks to him like that had me like choked up a

little bit too. The way he's just like desperate not to leave, looking at his soon to be wife but also sister-in-law. Base base, by the way, I think that's time I told my wife the same thing. I was like, I don't have a brother, but if I did, that's what I would expect to happen if I went like, I'm medieval with it, dude, unless he's like a junkie or something. But like otherwise I'd be like, no, that's you don't have a choice. It's him now.

Like, yeah, I feel like. But then we can all like then in heaven, like you're kind of like, at least I know that guy, you know, it's not like I have to do some dude you met on like Tinder, you know, and that's. Totally awkward. Yeah, yeah. Really. Yeah, let's not talk about that. But we have eternity for us. Yeah. Is it Charles? Yeah. Or is that Yeah, you're just like saying, I don't know, I wouldn't want that so. But yeah, that part is crazy. Isn't that his actual daughter

too? I don't know, it could be. I thought the blonde girl was his actual daughter and he only has one daughter. He's got like 50 kids, but. Yeah, he's got quite a few. Yeah, amazing. But yeah, he. Did a great job, you know, like crying in that so Oh my God, oh it's. Brutal man, I got. But yeah, it starts off. There's like these gags in this movie that are like stupid, like the the ink thing is like so dumb, but it but then it sets up just straight up dread for the rest of the movie.

Like it just pressed the dread so perfectly. Like I've just never seen any. And I think maybe that's a testament to like Roland Emmerich, just maybe not like making that many good movies like I just want. I I have a theory that he didn't direct half of this. Yeah. Mel. And this feels like Mel took over at some point because I I'll be honest, I don't like Roland Emmerich that much. Like I don't like Independence Day, I hate 2012.

I think that's the last movie I've ever seen of his like that was just garbage to me. And like he Michael Bay is better in this regard. Actually you respect Michael Bay, but like Michael Bay does that annoying sidekick better than the Roland Emmerich does. Like it. Roland Emmerich always has like this neebish kind of like self hating Jew character in his movies and like, I don't know, it always just like rubs me out the wrong way.

But yeah, there's none of like there's silly gags in the Patriot, but all of like the battle scenes and like the emotional stuff feels like Gibson had his hand like directly over that. And it, and it's weird and I wonder how much 'cause you watch, I think that Blood Father movie that came out much later that's directed by someone else. But it felt like just like, I'm the biggest Mel Gibson fan of all time. Let me do everything Mel would

like, want in a movie. And I almost wonder if that's where we're at sometimes where it's like even just Mel's presence is like, well, this is, this is we're just doing the Mel Gibson thing because it works. Oh, well, you know, Lethal Weapon. Lethal Weapons, Another movie where his wife's dead. Yeah, that scene always kills me. Lethal up when he looks at the picture and he just like, yeah, he can't handle it. But yeah, what were you gonna say?

So. Just on this topic, I like the fat with Apocalypto. Any of these Braveheart like the church scene burning everyone alive, the red coats burning where they always have to do these little fact checks of the history of Mel Gibson movies. Like I hate that. Remember how much? You know, yeah. And it's, I just love that part of it, that. First off, fuck that, fuck the British. Yeah. I, I especially right now, like right now watching this movie, I, I like, I've never been like

rah rah American flag guy. Right now I kind of am, but especially when it comes to Britain after what they've put out on Netflix. Recently we just, we just never, we just never have to listen to them again on anything. You know, it's just, yeah, we're we're done. And I'm hired, but it's like on both hands, like they persecuted both. You know what I'm saying? Like I I don't. Worst empire ever.

But you know what I mean? There's just always this weird, like kind of nagging, kind of like going after Mel. It's always been that way too, you know? It's just always like, actually that never really happened. And it's like, it's a fucking movie, first of all, you know? And I don't know, it's just. Funny. Well like I said, any YouTube that does that to Mel Gibson movies, I then take their go on their channel and I search hidden figures and they don't. They didn't Fact Check hidden.

Figures. So, all right, it is, it is astounding how many like if you just YouTube the Patriot review or you'll just get a whole stack of just like worst written character ever. Like, yeah, the Patriot misogynist, you know, like. Yes, I don't know, like yes. And, and you Google it too and it's, it's nothing but just like bad articles. And you get the same not to an extent because I think Braveheart, because it's like

such an award-winning movie. I don't think the Patriot won anything or was nominated for even best picture. But even that is, is it's always like there's a slander of like Mel Gibson's movies that are trying to like get you away from watching it. It's it's a weird little conspiracy that I kind of like stumbled upon. Like even last night, like after rewatching it, I was just like, I want to hear, I want to find at least a review about the movie and not about how accurate it was.

And I couldn't find one. Oh, no, and and there isn't like this like objective, like final boss quality. If you hate Mel Gibson, like you got to break out your big guns to take him down. Like there's just because because First off, everyone loves him secretly. Like that's the problem. Like, hey, I dude, when I was growing up, now I'm come from a family of like Democrats who don't like him anymore, you know, but my, my mom had a friend who she also doesn't like him anymore.

She had a dog named Riggs, a dog named Mel. And like, and I swear to God, dude, like she was just, she was a hairdresser. So his like big ass, like feathery mullet back in the day, like was, was, was set in her wild. And because it's just Mel's just high tea. He's just, he's just super high tea. They don't know what to do about this guy. Like, I'm OK.

Even people that hated him after passion of the Christ, which yeah, a lot of haters after that, the same people that hate him gave him a bunch of money to make Apocalypto right after they were like, you're still hella tight. You're still hella tight. The so now there's like the I I saw flight risk in theaters and had a great time. I had a great time. It's dumb, but it's it's a it's a fun. That was what I was talking about. It's just a fun movie that's

self aware. Mel goes on Rogan and says, look, this is my fun movie. This is my fun movie. I'm making passion too. I can't. I cannot. Wait, I can't wait either. My God, Kavita is back too. Or. He's going to be sick. Yeah, I'm so pumped. Like I I just, I can't wait for that. But a couple things about this movie that I love is right off the bat you get a a kid dying like Jason Isaacs is is

ruthless. He's having a huge revival because of White Lotus and rightfully so, but the the Jason Isaacs back then you have he's in Harry Potter right around this time too, as luscious villain face to the core, just British evil bird like villain that he has though his hair looks sick as fuck in the Heath Ledger scene. I will say like I I was like, is that real hair?

Like it looks real. His hair, Mel has extensions, you can tell, but like his hair was like whipping in that Heath Ledger scene with his gay little British sword that he brings out. And like, yeah, he's like, but but he's he's ruthless and he shoots that kid. And these are all like, look like Disney Channel kids. I feel like I've recognized these kids from like Disney Channel original movies and just getting caught in the back in front of their house, you know? Like what like.

What? This movie is amazing though. I mean the just the the forest scene, it's probably one of the best action scenes. The hatchet, the hatchet scene, giving your kids the gun. Have you given your kids guns and saying aim small, miss small. And they're saying it's it's real Disney. There's a real Disney corniness to it. But then like some crazy shit is happening. You're like, whoa. Yeah, I agree. He had to have directed that scene specifically.

Like, there's no way. Roland Emerick, I don't know. I just don't think Roland Emerick has that in him. I agree. I agree. I agree. Because you're expecting all these other, when you look up his filmography, you're expecting like, oh, he did that. Yeah, that makes sense. Oh, he did that. Yeah, that makes sense. That's a good movie. And you're like, Nah, he doesn't really. I'm neutral on Independence Day.

I it was never my favorite. I just, I, I have a soft spot for it because I listen to Art Bell coast to Coast all the time and his stuff from that time. Everyone's calling. Hey, Art, this is Jim from New Mexico. Have you seen Independence Day yet? I'm done. He's like, no, no, I haven't seen it yet. I will say, Art, you got to see Independence Day because it's an alien movie. I do. That's my bet, my positive memory of Independence Day. I have a feeling I wouldn't like

it if I watched it again just. Will Smith Will Smith's stuff in general just doesn't age well. Music movie, you know, like I hate to say I I got respect for the dude, but it's just you watch like I robot or whatever, it's it's just Gorny. It's kind of cool. I do like I robot. Comedy as a comedic actor, I really like and bad boys wanted there we go are fantastic. Like and and because it's it's Will Smith just being funny and Mike Lowrey, you know what I'm

saying? Like like and Martin him and Martin Lawrence play well together to classic like 90s, you know, comic comedic sitcom actors essentially. And and that stuff works. But yeah, like, I am Legend, my robot is terrible. Like I, I just don't like that movie at all. Yeah, I, I don't know. What was the I did not murder him. It's one of the best lines of all. Time, yeah. What's the one? What's the one where he where 5 lbs Or what's what's that one that did? Not go.

I think it's 7 lbs. Seven. Yeah, whatever. He was trying to do the pursuit of happiness, I think, but it failed or something. Yeah, but people, I mean, I swear, when we were in high school, remember, he was like, everyone's like, have you seen I Am Legend? I'm legend. I saw that in theaters. Line, you know, but but yeah, Mel, I mean like Mel was just like he's just he just take your. I think he takes over even by

proxy. Even if he wasn't doing like the John Cassavetes, like on Rosemary's Baby, like we got to do this, we got to do that. He might have just, he might have just taken over by proxy and you, just you. I think so too. Yeah, 'cause I, I was watching this interview, Jason Isaacs talking about the making of a patriot. It was like from a few years ago. And he said, like, this is how Mel is on set. He'll just, like, tell you a story, like a really funny story while chain smoking cigarettes.

And they're like, Mel, we need you. And it was like during the scene where he whips, he's like hacks that guy with the tomahawk. And he just like, he's able to just, like, tell this hilarious story. And then he gets into character and break back to tears. And then when he says cut and it goes back to the career, he's like, so like what I was saying. And then he like, fights up another. So I think it is just like his, his, yeah, his, like just through, like his presence and

stuff. Yeah, Anyways, that guy Hiram Finkelstein I was telling you about. Yeah. No, he's, he's, yeah, that guy. I mean, he's, I just find him fascinating. I I listened to his Joe Rogan interview twice. I he was incredible. I love how he dodged the theory of evolution question that Joe wanted to earnestly debate him on. He's like, don't care. He's like, he's like, he just don't care.

Anyways, go on any, any. And Mel has this like you could tell he used to do a lot of drugs because he has that like bright eye look about him when you talk to him. But I love his new look with the with the beard, the kind of like castaway look that he does drag it across concrete is a is a, in my opinion, just a classic. Let's it's still the that I was. I'm forever grateful for S Craig Zola for bringing back like a bunch of cancelled actors in like these three wonderful films

that he made. And but within the Patriot, it's like, it's like, again, you're like, I can't stress it enough. It feels like you're watching like Jerry Bruckheimer's like Pirates of the Caribbean that turns into like Americans, like Blood Meridian or something. Yeah, so crazy. The battle, the cannonballs blowing off the guy's leg and the guy's head. Yeah, yeah. My gosh. I know like that's, that's

incredible. I wonder if like, I guess like I'm now like connecting like the Disney feel to it with like especially like the kids and stuff. Yeah. But I wonder if like it, some of that is John Williams score that's also feeding into that is that that score is like one of his best, I think. But it does get sappy, like because John Williams also has like a sappy tone to some of his stuff. Well, you can't do melodies in scores anymore. It's like, it's like an Antichrist, you know, So that,

that. My boy, my boy, Trent Reznor ruined that. Unfortunately. I love him to death. He did ruin that, although he came back with challengers, at least with Challengers. He he decided he's doing Tron, the new Tron, which could be he's going to have to do something like that.

Like it can't, it can't just be, it can't just be ambient, you know, like it has to, it has to have some sort of at least rhythmic, technically speaking, has to have like, like some, some tones that can be catchy or something. Cuz I, yeah, the Gone Girl score, I don't think is that good. Like everybody always just goes like why you won for Gone Girl or Social Network. I'm like, I, it's fine, it's fine. I like, I like the big orchestral stuff.

I just give me that stuff. Give me, you know, Hitchcock movies are so good because Hitchcock's great, because he's a pervert and because Bernard Herrmann is just like has incredible side. It's all, it's all great. And I'm just like, the maximalism of this movie is just so refreshing. And it's like, they gave you this much money. You can see every dollar spent, Yeah, every dollar spent. I mean, these, I mean, just the war scenes, the marching of it. It kind of is Braveheart in a

way too like. Just the the. Misfits the, the, the, the militia of just kind of like farmers and stuff. And I just love that. It's unapologetically like, let's just do Mel Gibson's greatest hits. Let's just do Mel Gibson's greatest hits in a movie. And it works. It's it's great. I think, I think even the script works by itself too, because I think his character is interesting from the bat, You know, it opens with with that

awesome quote. I've long feared that my sins would come back to haunt me, but the cost is more than I can bear. And like, that sets the tone, like, we're going into some serious shit later. Just letting you know right now we're going to get into like, Disney ass, you know, plantation stuff. But yeah, I think the story just like, everything just feels right. Like, you can you can complain about the church scene not being historically accurate.

Who cares? Because that makes the ending fight scene that much more like emotionally satisfying. You want to and that traitor, that fucking traitor that sold everybody out. Oh my God, like you want to jump out the screen and kill him and Jason Isaacs, the turncoat you want? You want to do it and shout out to the French guy too. Love the French guy. Absolutely. I he, he's, I I love the whole like for some reason I thought this movie was post 911, but it wasn't. It was. It was. It was.

Right, because it feels very unify against the common enemy, like, oh, you're a slave. I don't care, dude. You're my mad Donald Logue. Like, it's an honor to serve next to you. I kind of felt like they felt very post 9/11 propaganda in a way. I long for that, to be honest. Like, like compared to what we get now. But yeah, I like long for that.

But it felt like that I was like, wow, this was just like, kind of like late 90s when it was filmed, like late 90s, just like multiculturalism, like, let's just have fun. We have a nation now and it's great. Yeah. Like it was just, I, I don't know. And people pretend like, oh, that was a facade. I was like, I don't know, to me as a kid, it wasn't, it felt like I wasn't thinking about racism or any like crazy stuff like that at the time.

And if it was, it was framed to you as like, we solved a lot of stuff, guys. Yes, our country's history has some, some, some things with it that maybe you can. But like we're, we're, we're now we're one world, like we're together, you know, and all that stuff. And now it's just like, actually, everything you've been told is a lie. And this is how we got to the moon. I'm still stuck on Hidden Figures. But yeah, I just just I, I, I

love that. And like, I man, I, I can, I literally want to watch this movie again. And definitely on that scene, the hatchet scene. I could watch that just in my dad's a big movie scene on YouTube guy. And my dad, my dad loves just watching scenes from like 7 on YouTube or like something like this. He loves doing that. I would do that with the hatchet scene, man, because it, it's,

it's too sick. Even the other one too, the one where they sneak up on the, the little British carriage things and they think there's like 6 dudes and then they all pop out like a clown car. They all pop out and then everybody comes from the hills. It's like it's I, it's a, it's a feeling I don't get anymore in film. I, I like, I'm just like, Oh yeah, you know, like, and it's not just jump scare horror, you know what I mean?

But it's actual dread. It's like, Oh my gosh, like they're going to lose more people because I've already seen a kid die. So there's nobody's off limits and Mel Gibson dies in half the movies he's in. So you just don't know. Yeah, yeah. Like, literally. He like rewatching it last night, I I knew it was coming. Like, I, I know this movie very well, but it's like, I can't believe they killed off Heath Ledger like that after burning his wife alive and his entire

family. And then earlier with like Thomas, the kid that gets shot in the back. Yeah, like that's insane. And like, yeah, I think these

these types of movies are made with earnesty that it I just don't think exists in movies anymore. And I don't know if that's like a millennial problem. Like I don't, I feel like millennials just like don't know how to be earnest with their writing or their art or anything. But like, you don't even like back then, you don't have to think about being earnest with what you're writing. You're just like writing it, you know? Like it's this is, this is what

we're doing. We're not going to comment on it. Like, I don't know. Yeah, no, that's the the C word you just said right there. I think is exactly the millennial problem. We are, and I say this, I've as a guy who comments on things. We are commentary just obsessed. Everything is a commentary. Everything is this, everything is that. Everything is a comment, blah, blah, blah. Like we just we wouldn't make this movie.

We wouldn't. Well, for one, millennials, we have lived experience, but like, we feel the need to like listen to like other people's lived experience. We want to tell other people's stories like we want to do. We just, I don't know, I have a tough time with our generation

right now. It's just been like, it's just, I don't know, like they cry all the time, which yes, there are legit problems that have happened to the millennial generation, but like you kind of like self stunt ourselves a little bit and like, like don't grow up and, and, and understand that there are consequences to things and stuff.

And, and just like you can tell, like the like you said, there's an earnesty and like I even some of my favorite people, I some of my favorite comedians, some of my favorite personalities or something. I'm like, you're fucking 37. Drop the irony. Right. Yeah. Just like, please stop, like and they'll, they'll speak in earnest. They'll speak in earnest, like, and you'll be like, wow, that was great. And they're like, oh, and they apologize for it sometimes. And I'm just like, I'm tired of

these ironic movies. I'm tired of fucking people just break. I saw this horror movie oh God I can't even remember. It was an Irish horror movie where this it had a very good concept. It was a woman. It was like a, It was a woman, very weird, like Tilda Swinton, greyhound looking woman who had a like this wooden doll in the house and it was sitting on a chair and the doll had its mouth open. It was a big wooden carved out like statue you would see on

like a park bench or something. And it had its mouth carved open and stuff. And people would go, what the fuck is that in the room? People would go, what is that? And she's just like, she was just this person and she's blind, right? So she's like, what, what's what, you know, And it was this thing that arrived and it was this, she was, she was just haunting these people. And you know, the twist is she they they had her sister killed. So she was like, I'm a blind woman.

I need help. And then all this weird shit starts arriving into their house. The end of the movie is like this. All of a sudden, this very ironic, like 90s song, I believe, starts playing. And then it just ruins the entire tone of the movie. And and I was just like, you know, I know Luca Guada, he knows not a not a millennial, but he made a movie called queer, which I thought was quite interesting. I was like, I was like, this is

this is interesting. Yet we're playing in 50s, Panama hat 50s like heroin, like paradise, gay heroin, paradise. We're playing Nirvana, we're playing Prince songs. And it's just like, what are we? They're trying to catch you off guard more than they're trying to entertain you. And it pisses me the fuck off about millennial people. I think, yeah, I think James Gunn ruined all that for us. Like just putting like hit soundtracks it like needle.

It's the needle drop thing, which I can't stand anymore. It's like picking not an obscure seven 70s song, but like not one that you would know right off the bat. And then he just drops it on Guardians of the Galaxy. And now, like every every movie since then is just has to have a needle drop scene. Gwen Tarantino kind of did it too, but his felt more organic in that regard. But I don't know, I think you're right.

Like like like going back to the Patriot, like I was trying to think of like, for one, like they're like, if you did make this today and you have the slaves on the plantation and you have that line of saying like, we're not slaves, we're freedmen. We work here willingly. Like even me watching that now, I'm like, that's a stretch.

But also like, if it was made today, that line wouldn't exist or that character like would probably be elevated to a point where it's like it'd have to like over shadow, like Mel Gibson's character or something like that. Like right? You'd have to comment on it and you'd have to make a big deal about it. But this movie is, it kind of does like sweep it under the rug, but it does it in a way where it's like, this is not

really what this movie's about. It's about it's a revenge movie with Mel Goodson. Exactly, exactly. And guess what? American flag at the end, Yeah, all of it's there. It's, it's, it's, it's refreshing. You know, at the time you don't appreciate stuff like that because it's just movies are like that. And it just, that's what it's what happens. But yeah, I, the slave thing I did. I, I we're in a weird spot ever since 12 Years a Slave. How, like, you can if you're a

white guy making a film. You just can't touch the subject whatsoever, not from a positive way or from a real, you know, whatever you think is the realistic way. I, I Django was also another one like that, though that I think that's a different kind of movie than than 12 Years a Slave. It's not meant to be like a historical drama, but the but like you're not going to do, you're not going to, you're not

going to touch those anymore. But it's like, it's weird because like then you see movies like, you know, Ryan, what Ryan Coogler does, which I think he's, I think that guy's a talented guy that makes bad movies. Interesting, I love Creed but I don't Creed is. Good creed is. Good. I love Creed because I love Stallone, obviously.

No, and it's a good movie. I think Creed is a good like extension of like the Rock. I hate this term, but like the Rocky universe, I think it's like a pretty solid like I don't know if it's like quote UN quote Canon, but like it it, it feels like I'm like, no, that was cool. I think what we saw it in theatre. I was like, this is this is good, you know, and and and all that. I just like this sinners thing I'm looking at now. I'm like really 99% Rotten

Tomatoes? Yeah, a little I that's another problem. I'm interested in seeing that just because of visually it looks good. Like that would be a movie that I'd like to see an IMAX. I'm sure it's gonna make me try to hate myself by the end. Which again, do it artful. If you're gonna make me think about something like don't be heavy-handed with it. Like make a movie that takes me for a ride, you know what I'm

saying? And then the reveal at the end is like something I would see like during 2020 locked in my house about how I'm evil, you know what I mean? Like, that's like, you're right. Like, and, and I, I think, like I said, this is a talented guy. He's a Bay Area guy, football player. Like I, I was like, I like his story and everything. And I feel like, for one, he's probably just rolling in money right now.

So I can't really, you know, what he's doing makes money, especially Black Panther and stuff. But I just man, it is like it, it just I feel like I can I can watch it and I go you know what I think I know who the villain is in this and get or if it's or if it's Jordan Peele. I think I know what the entity is, right. I know, you know, yeah, yeah, You know, it's just I I think I

know. And and then you, you see it, you know, the rotten tomato thing that the, the pre like the rotten tomato rating already comes out. So then everybody's got that in their mind that this movie's about this. Therefore it's automatically good because it's a commentary on this, this issue that could never be bad if it's done the right way, then it's got 99%. So you're going against this consensus. If you don't like it, you're being a contrarian, people say.

And I hate it. I hate the whole echo system of film right now. Yeah, I have to. I'm I'm probably going to see that next week, but for those type of movies, I have to wait like almost years until that hype kind of dies down. I still haven't seen everywhere, Everything Everywhere all at once. I don't think I will at this point, but it's like that hype was like unbearable for me to like endure. I was like, I'm, I'm good. I'm gonna wait this one out.

That's The thing is the person telling you is like they're like, they're like in your face with like bloodshot eyes, like you need to see I'm like you like they think like I need to fix something about myself by seeing. It's like that's, that's not why I go to the movies, right? I'm like, it's not why I go. And and I'm even tired of the other way around. I'm tired of the of the like anti, like the heavy-handed, like this is my anti cancel

culture movie. I'm like sure, like I get it for a while you kind of needed to hit people over the head with that because it had gotten way too far in One Direction. But my problem is, is like when people acknowledge the boogeyman in the room that that makes it win. And what I love is that people who can just like, ignore the rules. I think Mike White does this right now perfectly. He just ignores the rules.

He just does what he does. He's not saying, oh, and I was, I wanted that character to be a Lib tard, you know, or something like that. He just does it. And if you get it, if you're in on the it's entertaining on a surface level, But if you're also are in on the joke a little bit or in on the satire, it has this extra level to it. And I, I just, I'm sick of like the heavy handedness of like

these films. And like, again, you can be heavy-handed if you're fucking coming out of planes like Stallone and doing all this stuff. They're not doing that though. They're not doing that. Like it's like I watch these movies of like AI Tom Hanks, like aging in a house. Did that movie ever come out? All I heard about from the trailer was look at this movie of like Tom Hanks and I forget who the actress was and they're like aging and like AI or something.

I don't even know what that movie was. I don't, I never heard about it. We're in such a trailer economy now that it really bothers. Me. I think I haven't heard of that one. You saw I. Saw that. Yeah, I think. You saw it. You think you saw it? If it's the one, I saw a movie with an Adrian Tom Hanks like I. It. Was it was horrible? Yeah, it was. Yeah, it's called. Fairy here. There you go. Yeah, yeah, it was weird. No, I'm thinking about auto auto Otto.

No, that's the one I'm talking about is him where it's like 50s or 60s like in the house and they're like aging and they're like commenting on like the technology and stuff. I'm just like, I don't care about that at all. And then nobody does, though. That's The thing is nobody does, but people have to get hyped about current things so much that they like the trailer comes out like, I'm going to go see the Wes Anderson movie. You know why?

Because I know exactly what Wes Anderson's going to do. It's not going to blow my mind, but I know exactly what he's going to do. And it's one thing that only he does really, like only he does. And I, I get it when people say they don't like him. I'll never defend him to anybody who doesn't like him, but I'm just like, I saw people freaking out over a trailer. Oh, he's doing the same thing

over and over again. Same with Paul Thomas Anderson's new movie, which is an adaptation of of a Thomas Pynchon novel, which it looks like a faith pretty faithful adaptation of a Thomas Finch and novel which he's already done with Inherent Vice and a little bit with The Master. And I, I was just like, man, people just react to trailers and then second trailers come out and then third trailers come out and I'm like, have I seen the movie already?

Yeah, and then the trailer trailer comes out before I all the. Extended 1 during the the Chiefs game. You're like, all right, man. Like I guess I saw every part of this movie. They even make new trailers for old Movies Now. You know, they do like rent. Oh yeah, it's crazy. I trailers and trailers and trailers all over the place. But yeah, to the Patriot, though, Heath Ledger, it's it is it is interesting though, 'cause you Heath Ledger is like a a ROM

com star around this time. He's not a joker. That was his last thing. He's not the joke, but because I remember it was such, this ROM com, pretty boys doing the Joker. It was such a thing and he's dead. Actually, I think the movie came out after he died, but the yeah, they. Didn't even finish editing in it. Yeah, I thought, yeah, I thought he was dead. Yeah, for something. But this movie, it was he was doing like 10 things I hate about you, I think. Was that was that the movie he did?

I think it was. I think he was in that and he was A Knight's Tale I think was right around that time too. That's another movie with some. It's a good movie. I liked it, but I I remember rewatching it randomly and I'm like, is this where the fucking putting contemporary music and like medieval time shit started? Like I was like, this is so strange. It is that was good, but he's he gives like a like again, he him and his love interest in here.

Both don't have the best fate like it's they have such a like they stick out like sore thumbs in a period piece, but none of it matters. That's what I love about it. It's like none of it matters. It's like when you watch a Roman Polanski movie. When I did a Roman Polanski deep dive, he does not give a shit about everyone having the same accent. He literally does not care.

There's movies in France where it takes place in France, you see like the Eiffel Tower in the background and it's just like an A guy from New York going, hey, so you want an apartment or what? Yeah, you know, And it's just like, they don't care. And I'm like, I love when people. That's the problem with like modern film now is you have way too many fact checkers, you

know, like it's it's just tough. Like, yeah, I feel, I do feel for people trying to create stuff right now, like, because you can't ignore it. I check the comments when I post an episode. I'm not a guy that just unplugs. Like you are a slave to an audience in a way. But yeah, your audience is like there's like 1,000,000 Pauline Kales now, but none of them know shit, you know, like it sucks.

It sucks. Yeah, the micromanaging like on set and stuff is like I, I can't imagine like Tarantino working like this or PTA working like this. Like I can't. Like I've never, like I've never been on like a set where it's like either it's like kind of my own or like even someone else's where it's like we're all focused on making this one thing. Everyone is like just on the phone all half the time and

like, would this really happen? Or like, hey, there's this thing in the shot that doesn't make, you know, it's just like I like I'm big picture guy. Like let's let's get the big picture because I think that's kind of what the details do matter, but you hire the right peoples to look out for those details. But yeah, I don't know. It's everything. Would you yell? Would you, would you freak out on somebody on set? Like like, like, wait, wait. Because like for me, I would

just be like, would this happen? Well, I know something that happens. You're fired that though, huh? Yeah. It's no, I, I couldn't do that. Like I'm when I'm like stressed for time, I wouldn't fire somebody, but I would definitely like try to take care of the situation. But I'm, I'm just solely focused on like getting, getting what I need and like what I want. Like, yeah, in time, in the time that I have, which is like very

little. So it's like everything is like kind of you get tunnel vision, I think especially like on an indie level. Yeah, no outbursts yet, but like maybe tense such situations so. Hell yeah, dude. That's what I mean. I'm like, dude, I would almost. What's weird about that is I try to think of either side. If I was working for somebody, I would also like, I would expect tense moments like cuz I, I would, they would show that you

give a shit. Like a lot of times, you know, like, like being these, like it's I, you know, sports. I grew up playing sports. Like your coach yelling at you is just as effective as him giving you the high 5. You know, it's, it's in fact more and you hate it at the time. You might go home like, damn, that guy's a fucking Dick. But then, you know, you're sleeping at night and you're like, Nah, he was right, you know, or something, something like that.

I, I, dude, there's just way too much stuff happening. I, I, I'm, you're going, you're doing the right thing as far as doing it your own way. Sure, hopefully it works out. I, I mean, we'll do our best because I mean, we'll do our best and then definitely hit the podcast circuit, promote it. I definitely want to promote like people actually just, I'm tired of commentaries and like takes, takes, takes, takes, takes and more. So like, what are you working on? Are you guys working on

anything? Because the way you beat stuff is by putting out stuff that sadly, people will have to copy. But putting out a template is what you're doing a lot of times during this time where everybody's, everybody understands that, like, these are a lot of these novels, film, TV, even to an extent. It's kind of like not what it used to be. Even people who are like, love the current thing. They under, they deep down, they know this shit should be better than it really is.

So I'm like, yeah, it's important to like highlight those people, you know, and just who's doing the right thing, who's who's doing something interesting, who's doing this, who's doing that. You know, it's like so. Well, yeah, everybody make sure this will be out definitely with some time for you guys to donate to Knuckles. It'll be in the in the description of the episode to get just whatever you can guys, whatever you can. I gave $1,000,000 but don't even like guys don't even do not.

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