Entourage pt. 1 w/ Darius Csiky and Lowres Wünderbred

Yeah, from the five to the six, we be in the mix with that rare candy paint job on the web. I need food for the kids, money for the rent. Fuck a lockdown baby. I can't do that shit and I'll never vote 'cause I'm fucking broke and either way I know the police ain't gonna leave me alone on a plane by the physical and rock me. Crypto told me I should be in the Glock with me, so I packed up my piece and I'm sliding slide 'cause we might get caught up in a riot. Middle finger trunk, middle

finger biting fucker. Left fucker right as you riding you let us see it. Those rocking, you know politics baby. We just talking. From the birds to the bricks, we be in the mix with the rare candy paint job on the web. Who you with? You know, I've been, I've been singing the rare candy theme song in the shower. That's real. That's cool. I've been doing like the Halo, like I'm not going to do it here. I'm not going to crune on air. But you know, I'm saying like I've been. I love that.

Don't you dare Crune on here. Don't you fucking dare. From the five to the six, Yeah, go ahead. Sorry. Yeah. Yeah, for sure not. I mean, if you want to keep going you can, but, well, I. Think this is a good bridge because Rare Candy has an iconic theme song. Entourage has an iconic theme song and you don't get that these days. TV shows have done away with theme songs. So I I like that. I appreciate that with your show, Glenn, and thank you for

having me back. I'm so happy that a guy a a rapper from South Carolina just said we needed a theme song and he sent it to me. I mean, how lucky did I get there? I mean, I 0 zero input from me at all whatsoever and it just landed. I had nothing to do with it. So that was that was awesome. But I'm here with two feature feature film directors. So we're covering Entourage seasons 1 through 4. I have a feeling that when it's time to do from the five to the

six. And, you know, I have a feeling that when it's time to do that, I can't get these guys again because they're going to be fucking mega stars. And it's they're going to be like, First off, pick me or Darius. I feel like that's what Laura is going to say. You don't get both of us, you know, and they're going to be at can screen, screen again. No, Yeah. No, Yeah. Come on, DC. Yeah.

Don't brag here. Yeah. Also, I just learned DC, you're shooting your next movie in Greece. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. This is Scott. It's happening, but for first of all, Jay is going to make it big before me, that's for sure. That's for sure. Second of all, I am so excited to be here and I will always give you the time of day. Glenn, remember those days when you didn't respond to my DMS? Those days.

That's never happened. What about it's not going to happen in the future then because I will never not responded to you. Are you confusing it with Monkey Jones who still won't reply to your DM? Literally everybody online except my close friends fuck out. Of here I I dude. No one wants to talk people. Message me before they reply to you. They're like, is this guy OK? Is he all right? I'm a little concerned about some of his posts here. He's more than OK, He's more

than. Well, First off, no, no, but we haven't had a chance to. What is TS Cam? What is that? I mean, I I know what it's your feature film, but I what is I You have you're always 8 plates. TS can't like there's I don't what it like What is I Obviously don't spoil your movie or. Anything. No, no, there's I'm I'm happy to quickly just go over it if you want. Basically, it's a yeah. It's my first film. It's a feature film I sent to a few people. Glen, I'm scared.

I don't think I don't know what kind of movies you watch. I don't want to. I don't want. To say that you think you think I haven't seen anything. So yeah. I mean, I mean, that's true as well. But at the same time, it's like, yeah, it's the first film here. Very nice shot here in Montreal, QC, Canada, about a painter who can't get out of 2006. What do you what? Do you? I see you in my movie? How about?

That yeah, I had to ask. Yeah, I'm very selective and I like, I like to go in tears of viewership. You weren't coming up. Yeah, I was like, I was like, hey, can I can I, can I watch your movie? He's like, yeah, just don't fucking don't you dare show a thing. But I'm like, dude, I'm not. Great move. Glenn's asking me about my movie then cutting me off right when I start talking about awesome. Who's that? Remind you who's that remind you of? Yeah.

Anyway, tell me about it, OK? No, no, it's, it's all right. Yeah. It's a big, big movie, big movie, huge movie, slow cinema, shot here in Montreal with great actors I believe. Some of which first timers Jay didn't like one of them, but that's the point. Of one guy. Honestly, he's gross every time he popped up. He's one of my best friends, but he's disgusting on the film. He's so gross. Like I want to puke the whole way through.

Very, very like the essence of the loser who can't accept any responsibility and just keeps going and being like, yo, the world's again. I, I, I think it works perfectly fine. Anyways, the movie's the movie. He's fantastic. Yeah, Glenn, you're going to, you're going to fucking, you're going to blow your socks off, bro. You love. It would love to see it, would be honored to watch it. Honestly, DC's got some beautiful shots in the movie. He's got a very interesting editing style.

You know, DC is one of the young up and coming film makers that I do genuinely respect and I'm excited about what he's going to be creating in the future. That's so. You want it, you like you because you would reflexively we want to like kick his ass a little bit, but I'm like, I know, I know he's fucking good. That's the thing. I haven't seen anything, but I know he is because he he

wouldn't bullshit. He wouldn't be the guy that he is if he didn't turn turn out good shit, because I mean well, I hope so. I hope, because if I hate it, Oh my God. Well. That's that's the thing as well. And this is very pretentious and let's let's we can get off this and get to the actual masterpiece entourage. But really, I think if you feel strongly, I'm happy whether it's discussed, whether it's born that that's that's really what I want. I I would hate to Oh yeah. All right.

Yeah. But that that that is can grinds my gears, Peter. Solid effort. Bro it was a solid effort. Bro, Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm excited to see what you do next. That's yeah. I hate that. Yeah. Keep grinding bro, but. No, no, no, it's it's really good. It's really good. Jay's film as well. Let's, let's we, we can get let's get to it later. It's a mid role. What's? Yeah, just real fast. What's the plan? What's the plan of release? Is there a plan of release for?

It yeah, basically it's just going to be like sending out, I sent out to a bunch of festivals. I have some connections in the industry now and that doesn't mean anything, but we'll see. I got a few good responses so far from like programmers and everything. So I'm, I'm very excited about that. If none of that pans out still, I'm just going to do a few screenings here and there and move on to the next one. You know, I don't, I'm not going to wait for this to blow up

until I do my next movie. So yeah. There you go. Nice. And and then you guys, last time Low Res was on, which wasn't too terribly long ago, we were talking about Mass State Lottery. He's being careful in the way he releases it, and rightfully so, because I have seen that movie and I loved it. So you guys should be on the lookout for that. Yeah. Shout out. Excellent film.

So let's talk about something because this was funny how this came around a little little behind the scenes, a little behind the scenes. I reached out to DC and I'm like, hey, you did tell me the Entourage your favorite show. I had a little time and I was like, I'll finally watch it because I completely missed it when it came out and I watched it and I'm like, hey, do you want to, you know, if I finish this, you want to come on and all of a sudden I'm in a group

text. I'm in a, I'm in a group, group chat. But I know the guy who's in it and he's like, hey, we're all going to kind of do this. And I'm excited. I'm excited for it because I have been having a blast watching Entourage and I still haven't finished it yet because I want to. I kind of like the whole I've you guys have seen it. I haven't all the way, but I've watched season 1 through 4. I can't get enough of it. I think it's I'm pretty shocked.

I'm pretty shocked how much I was ready to hate it, to be honest. I was like, oh, this is going to suck. No, it doesn't. It's it's wonderful, but I'll kick it off to you, DC. What? Why is this like just the masterpiece to you? Well, I, I, I don't know if I would say necessarily it's a masterpiece that way. Just nothing else makes me feel like that show, you know, it's

the ultimate parasocial. Because like, you know, when people say, Oh, I listen to podcasts to, to hang out with my friends because I don't really have friends. They, you know, they talk about comedians or, or people like that and they're not, that's not so interesting of a life.

You're just hating on shit. You're just like, oh, what if this was this, you know, and, and I have nothing against it, but Entourage is literally the most crazy lifestyle that you get to be put into as that like 5th friend. And it's it's such a great experience. And of course it's a relic of its time. You know, we have all the the peak American culture and then the 2000s right there with all the music, with all the shows, with all the like, it's still old school Hollywood.

They're still producers and stuff like that that aren't just German guys on freaking Zoom, you know, like that's the that that sort of stuff is just it's fantastic. Of course, I love everything about it as well, like the aesthetic style as well. It's the sense of I want to put some music in. It's going to be expensive as shit, but we're going to end the episode with The Rolling Stones. That sort of stuff I like as well.

Like it's it's it's crazy the the music budget on this film on this series, but I I treat it as a film. It's like my return Twin Peaks. It's it's just terrific. So for all these reasons, man, what it's a great show.

It's just a good time. I can put it on an episode anytime and just have a fun time with my buddies Vince, E Drama and Turtle and sometimes Dom. Sometimes Dom is great, but they but they definitely I was about done with him by the time they cast him off, I was like, OK, that's a good thing. It does is nothing. They know what to throw away is what I like about that show Every anytime you're like, OK,

I'm about done with this guy. He's gone and it's like it's as though, as I told Doug Ellen, it's a pair of social things. I was like, hey, Doug, I'm done, you know, and then and then it's it's out of there. But then they keep, you know, the friend group together at least through these first Four Seasons. They keep the friend group together. And it's just it's just so good. Low risk. Hey, what about you? Your history with the Did you watch it live?

I did watch it live. I was, I was not like a religious, I have to tune in every Sunday night or whenever they they put it on. But it was such a thing because it's Mark Wahlberg's baby. And obviously I'm from Boston. So it's it, it was always this like thing in the background of like, Entourage is what cool people watch. Entourage is what you want your life to be. And going back to it for the first time in about 15 years, it's everything that, you know, DC just said.

It's really opening a time capsule from 2004 and getting a fresh whiff of that. And I didn't realize how ahead of the curve the show was in satirizing aspects of Hollywood. Like there's, there are jokes here in seasons 123 that predate Tropic Thunder, but I think Tropic Thunder kind of stole the glimmer of and becomes known for. And it's like, wow, they nailed it first. And it's here, it's present in this.

And I, I think it is like a very underrated series that doesn't get its due nowadays because of the rejection of, of bro culture, the rejection of anything that could be marketed towards younger men. You know, I think if you were to get Entourage in, in this last period of time, you know, 1/5 of the show as it exists now is probably making it in. And I think we're probably due for a revival season.

I think the the conditions are starting to line up socially where we could get a revival season of Entourage soon. Well, the I mean, to me, it's Sex and the City for guys. My wife has Sex in the City on. I've seen a bunch of isolated episodes, but I'm like the magic for me is not there. You know, it's like I, but she's just locked in because that's what you do with your girlfriends. You know, whatever they do, whatever. Which by the way, I also at the same time I rewatched season 1,

which was yesterday. I too tuned into and Just Like That season 3 episode one just out of the blue and I was like, what's going on on this series at this point? And Cynthia Nixon is just now she's herself from real life Rosie. Doesn't she fuck Rosie O'Donnell? It opens with her and Rosie fucking. There's a beautiful scissoring scene in the season premiere and the look of the show is so eerie

and plastic. And I remember watching parts of Sex and the city because it was like my go to show as a kid where I was like, oh, maybe there's going to be something spicy on here. And I shut the door to my bedroom, which I I never did or probably wasn't allowed to do at 10:00. I would hope, you know, maybe you see something good. Never ever.

But you know, tuning into it, it's got the look of a Netflix show, but they do this thing that reminds me of Greg Turkington's movies on, on cinema at the cinema where it's like you have the actors and then you have the green screen background that looks so artificial. And I, I realize what they're doing with this show because they do shoot in New York all the time.

They're going to these locations that like the Lincoln Center Ballet or a Chinese restaurant, and they'll shoot the location and the extras, and then they'll shoot the name actors separately in a studio and then plop like them in chairs to make it look like that. And it's got this weird artificial vibe. I would hate to see that happen with Entourage if they go back to Hollywood and you know, but

expect it if it does happen. Yeah, I I also man, I think what I love about Entourage is the time capsule element of it so much and just I wouldn't having it be current, like I don't know if I would be able to escape this. This was full on escapism for me was just watching this. And because it's not a life I lived. I mean, I was like the fucking great value Walmart version of like going to clubs like with people and not not an Aquaman or

anything. I was like, oh, that guy toured with the dilated people's once like whoa, like an underground rapper. It was like that kind of level, but you still just the the transparency of a friend group where you're like that guy's blame never gets laid pretends that he does that guy. Everybody knows everything about each other and it's fine. Whereas like women have to hide all these things from each other, have to do all. It's just it's completely a male show.

It might be it's close to the most male show out there. I mean, it's tough like in terms of male relations, which I sadly I don't have any more. That's the sad part is like is is realizing I'm like, man, all my friends are fucking losers now, you know, including me, probably. They probably think that about me, but it's just like, that's a magical show, man. It's a it's a it's it's magical. So DC, you were like a kid when this came out. That's what I was laughing about. Old. Diapers.

I was, I, I was, I was 3 when I came out. But but I saw, I saw the whole thing later. Yeah, there's. A baby pointing at Billy Walsh on the screen. It just the first word. First word is Queens Blvd. By the way, DC, doesn't Billy Walsh look exactly like our friend Paige? No. You don't think so? Are you out of your mind? I'm. Crazy. I'm so sorry. We Paige, a guy named Paige. A guy named Paige Paige Garcia, and he's not a woman or Hispanic.

Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he's no, he's, he's cool man. I used to, we, I used to have we, we got off on the wrong foot, I think. And I really. No, not you in some. No, no, no, no. Get out of here I. Don't, don't put that on the Internet. I'm very friendly. But that's the thing. It's like he was, he's actually a great guy, Very, very cool. So I, I jive with Jay's appreciation of Paige shut up

page. However, I don't think he, I don't think he's got the Billy Billy Walsh vibe, you know, saying I. Didn't say vibe. I said the look. I said he looks exactly like Billy Walsh. That's not true though. It is true. It's absolutely. I need you. Spent more time with him than I did, so maybe. Maybe you know a different angle, a different lighting set up or something.

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And lastly, check us out on social media. On Instagram, we're rare Candypod, but on Twitter we're at Rare Candypod one. All right, enough of that. Let's get you back into the episode. Well, I I was laughing though, because I was ready in our chat. I was, I was ready to just be like, Oh my God, DC is totally Billy Walsh. And then I checked the chat and he changed his fucking. Name to Billy Walsh. I wish, man. It's not going to happen, but you know. No, it's you.

It's 1000% you. Like I said, we have to scale it. We scale it, right? We scale these things like this is like maybe one day, who know, you're young. I mean, you could be absolutely. He won Sundance at 24. I don't know. The clock's ticking. That's it. You got to adjust for inflation now fucking 28.

All right, you know, it's it's it's so anyways, I I and then I look and I'm like, I really feel like E I'm going to drop a bomb and then my fucking name is changed to E in the chat And I was like, that's that's fucking me. I was like, and it's it's crazy go because it's it's accurate and there's a lot of literally me stuff. But Billy Walsh is funny. I mean, he's obviously not part of the main friend group, but he's he's this director who and

this is not DCI. Don't believe DC thinks his shit doesn't stink. But the way he talks about movies where he'll just be like, yeah, I saw that. I've seen that movie like 20 times. Like, yeah, it's one of my favorite movies. It fucking sucks. Like, that's like the way DC talks about things like is, is this like I've consumed every aspect of that thing and I hate it.

You know, I like the the I love that I was just I was smiling at the whole time and just his like bleeding heart for the craft. But it's kind of this like hamster wheel that, you know, maybe doesn't allow you to actually just put a damn thing out. And I'm not saying you do that. I just know that I could easily see you doing that, though. That's what I love. I love about it.

So tell me about Billy. Billy, man, the first time you saw him, you were just like, I mean, obviously you were three years old when he saw it. No, no, I didn't actually watch Entourage at that time. I won. The remote, yeah. No, no, I watched it much later actually. I saw Korean entourage before entourage. Probably. Yo, I just learned that was a thing right now right now, and I was. It sucks. It really sucks. The first scene is the guys.

It's four guys that look like women because it's like very K pop vibes. I love Korea. I'm the number one Korea guy. Don't even. I'm the number one Korea guy. I'm the 1.5 then, because I really, really, really like Korea, but The thing is, this show is so certified, okay, The first scene is all the guys, all four guys naked, 100% naked in a spa basically, and there's the Japanese hentai blur on their private parts and they're just like joking around and splashing water around.

That's the first scene of Entourage Korea, so. Their culture won't. It would never be conducive with anything that you would find on Entourage. That's the problem, yeah. Yeah, well, I had no idea. I'm probably not going to check it out, but. But if you want just for the few first few seconds, it's really crazy like, but it it is it does have the same logo and it says based on the show by Doug Ellen, etcetera. Anyways, Entourage proper. I love the show.

Yeah, it's great. Billy Walsh, though, I don't know, at the first, the first time you actually meet him, you're like, OK, it's going to be this like, but the the his decline, his absolute like going from he's the shit to we actually see the movie and it's one of the worst pieces of pretentious doctors of all time. It's so good, man. It's so I I love everything about it.

And as well the the slow reveal that he's actually from money and that his dad gave him like a fucking Rolex as a graduation game. So good, so good, man. Yeah, and he's like, I mean, we're the block boys, you know, Queen. Yeah. I love, I love that whole thing. And then the also when they finally reconnect with him and he's just directing pornography, that really kills me that that part, that part kill and he's he's just like, it is way to get total classic.

Like, well, if I can't make my art, I'll just make the ultimate exploitative trash. Like, you know, we all know that that that bleeding heart kind of every every coin flip thing that doesn't go my way is just I'll, I'll just give it all up and until a script comes by that I'll pretend I hate and then I'll do it and make it about Sofia Vergara like. Yeah, every director I've met has been Billy Walsh.

I knew the guy who is that pretentious and then wound up going to porn and using the name Orson Swells for his work. And especially in New York, you run into a lot of the trust fund kids who are like. Very highly attuned to like they they'll know you know, they'll know the encyclopedia on film back and forth, and they'll think it's going into their work and it's not. And you get exactly what you wind up with here. So extremely familiar character.

DC is nothing like Billy Walsh in that regard. No, no, I just all right guys, Will. You protecting my ego here. You're no, you're. Not it's just it's just really funny because I'm, I'm also not like E, but I am, but I conduct their, I view certain things that way. You know what I mean? Like I'm not, I'm not 5 foot fucking 4:00 and also. You know, working as Burrows. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no.

And it's. True, I've never actually, I'm not actually, I've worked a lot of that tier of work, never a pizza guy, but it just the idea of that E is just like he's hanging out with people that party really hard, but not partying hard. That's me like absolutely caught bleeding heart. Whatever relationship he's in is like he's super invested in that and thinks that any move that he makes is going to ruin it, except the one he actually makes, which does ruin it. Gosh.

And just the kind of he wants to be one-on-one with Vinny all the time, kind of. And I'm a one-on-one type person. It just that's exactly that type of the person. But I want to talk about the genesis of the show because I didn't know anything about the genesis of it. Because you keep seeing Mark Wahlberg's name all over it and you realize, well, Adrian Grenier is not Mark Wahlberg. Like it's just, it couldn't be

more not him. And you realize the show could not have worked if it was a Mark Wahlberg type. I think you get sick of that quick if it's a, you know, open baseball jersey Boston guy, if he dresses like turtle basically, you know, and it but it's Mark Wahlberg and it's like breaking stuff constantly. You know, then he is just this constant like ATM machine. But he knows that he's get he's basically lighting money on fire.

However, he's giving money and all of these perks going out of his way to buy turtles shoes from a Japanese guy or something. You're doing all of these things knowing damn well he's getting none of it in return, but also the fact is everybody else he meets outside of that friend group is worse because they're not they're they have no vested interest in him. It's just it. So I I love that full transparency. Let whereas Mark Wahlberg be like, fuck you.

You don't get any fucking money from me. You know it just. It wouldn't work as long Vinny Chase feels more pussy posse coded to me like a DiCaprio, Tobey Maguire, Lucas Haas type and E was in that as a kid and that's how I believe how he met Mark Wahlberg is through basketball batteries. Isn't he in The Sandlot? Kevin Connolly. He could be, it's been a while since I've seen The Sandlot. Yeah, I can't remember.

No, yeah, that's, but they do that a lot on the show and I love it very much 'cause they don't dwell on it. But every time there's a major celebrity on there, like not a guest star, but someone like Mark Wahlberg or Kanye, there's like the entourage of that person as well. So when they meet Mark Wahlberg in the hallway, he has his own Boston entourage. It's just, it's, it's, it's so beautiful, man. It's very, it sounds sarcastic,

but it's so artistic. This show, the, the really he, he, I don't know if it's Doug or whoever else is working on the show, but there is a, a sense of we're going to make this rock. You know, it doesn't matter if the small detail is going to be missed by the drunk Bros trying to watch this on, you know, fucking HBO in 2007. We want to make this as precisely hell yeah as a show as we can. So I, I, I, I love that stuff, but I don't.

Enough about Mark Wahlberg. Let's talk about the real deal here, Vinny Chase. What do you think about Vinny Chase? Because so many opinions online are wrong about Vinny Chase. He's I want to keep. He's fucking excellent and 1st off, like I was, I did a deep dive on Adrian Grenier because I remember last time I was on a place we watched him on like Jordan Peterson. Oh, yeah, I bring it to everybody I know. Every single person I've shown this clip to.

Yeah. And it's weird because, you know, they did the, the an Entourage podcast and I will talk about him on the show, but Adrian Grenier, is he, they, they do this like, I think it's called victory or something that's like Entourage, Doug Ellen and Kevin Connolly and then Kevin Dillon's on part of it too. But they couldn't get Adrian Grenier to show up like for the longest time, which is pretty funny, pretty poetic actually. And but they couldn't get him to, to show up for it.

And he finally does. And he does like the, I just wasn't in the headspace man. And like he talks about like, I got to do Nofap. I got to do all this stuff to get back in. And, and they're making fun of that. Not in a, not in a hateful way either. They're just like making fun.

And he's just like and like they're they're going, Hey, Doug, I told you not to make fun of fucking Adrian Zdelf happened like all the all and they're and they're really like careful with it. And I was like, turn this off. I don't want I want Vinny Chase. I want VHS that smiles at everything that that is just like a this bimbo guy. But he's not. I don't think he's that stupid either. Like the idea that he's like stupid. I don't I think he fully understands everything that's happening.

And I love the idea that he has, you know, his massive hit. He's constantly passing on what Matterhorn or what everybody has his big hit in Aquaman and immediately buys his passion project stuff. I would do, you know, but I'm also not. I know I'm not Vinny Chase. I, I don't. Stuff doesn't just wash off me the way it washes off him. I mean, life ending mistakes are just another day for him. That's what's sick.

That's what it's almost a Tommy Shelby like character where you like he you not walk until the end there, but you basically know he's going to get get away with it until later on in the show. No, no matter if he's going bankrupt, if there's an issue or you know, friendships break, it doesn't matter because he's going to be Vinny Chase tomorrow

as well. The thing is about Grenier though, I, you know, respect to him obviously for his work and everything, but he is the most Hollywood type guy of all time 'cause after the end of the show he didn't do this bro, cool stuff, Joe Rogan type stuff. He was more of the environmentalist guys. We got to save the avocado plants on the in the deep sea in fucking Tunisia. That that's the type of stuff he was doing that didn't work

anymore. And now he's in the manosphere sort of like, you know, I'm, I'm doing meditation, stoicism and you know, stuff like that. So. What I know about him is he's been very, he's been very vague about his ethnic heritage where he claims to be Hispanic, but he doesn't really go into detail about that. He won't name a specific Hispanic ethnicity. I think he also identifies as Native American. So he's all, you know, it all tracks for him.

I think he's the perfect man to be cast as Vinnie Chase. They. Had to push for him too because I think a lot because you know this you see all the celebrity Camryos and entourage and I'm not saying this started from nothing, but it was I from I what I gather it was not meant to be a hit HBO show. HB it was not the 6:00 PM or 9:00 PM if you're on the East Coast thing that plays for an hour. I mean it's half hour episode.

This was that show. That slot of HBO is really interchangeable and shit does not last long there. So they really, I don't think they were guaranteed much. And I think a lot of the studios wanted a kind of over the top Mark Wahlberg type character, especially because that's the person who's probably trying to make this show something, the person who's getting the favors for people to show up in the show, I would imagine. Because what have they what what had any of these guys done before?

What was Doug? I mean, what was Doug Ellen before I? Looked, I know. Yeah. There's a short film about a waiter who wants to go to Hollywood or something like that. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But the guy, the guy's really, I fucking forget the. Who's the guy in Pretty in Pink? You know the loser guy, Andrew. MCCARRAN, OH. No, no, no, John Cryer. John Cryer. That's right. So he plays, he did 1 short film and then he went on to do Entourage. So that's that's the type of

nonsensical filmography. Yeah, the the concept of Entourage, I believe, because I was watching a lot of Mark Wahlberg interviews, was they were trying to pitch him on doing a reality series with his friend group. And I don't know if you guys jumped into Wahlburgers at all. Like I jumped into Wahlburgers. OK, the first two episodes you get like a clear, all right, here's the real Johnny drama. Here's 8. You know, there's been a lot of

men. I don't know why, but there's a lot, a lot of these men out there that are claiming I'm the basis of Turtle. And on Wahlburgers, there's an obese, short, kind of obnoxious guy named Nacho who is like, yeah, I'm Turtle. But then you, you see a separate interview around the time of Entourage, the movie with Mark Wahlberg, where he's talking about, oh, my friend Donkey. I have this friend named Donkey who's the basis of Turtle. OK. And then just out of nowhere, I

don't know where this came from. I I watch a lot of Vanderpump Rules and one of the cast members on there dates a Hollywood producer named Randall Emmett who just produces total shit. All these like Bruce Willis, vacant head roles that you've seen in the last five years. He's responsible for those, but he's friends with Martin Scorsese. OK. He claims he's the basis of Turtle, which is probably the most bullshit I would have to imagine. Right. I don't know why they want to be

this guy so bad. Yeah, that, that's the worst person to be serious, I, I don't think anybody relates to being Turtle because he's got no drive. And the only thing that pushes him to actually do something later on is everybody's making fun of him for being a fucking loser. So he's like, I got to do something. I invest in this real estate deal or whatever, you know, like. He and Saigon don't forget about Saigon.

What we have about Saigon as well, that's just something that he was like, but it's Saigon me, and that's all he was doing. He didn't. Do it. I listened to Saigon. I'd like I had no joke kid like and I hadn't watched Entourage. I like this because he was real and people, I think a lot of people don't think he's like a real. That was me until today, and when you actually posted the song, I didn't know it was a

real rap and. It's totally rapid around, like I lyrically slice you with my lyrical samurai sword, you know, like the shit in like 2007. That was so cool I guess, and it, it sounds actually terrible now, but at the time I was like, no fucking way, this is I, I, I don't know if it's a chicken or the egg thing. Did Saigon come from Entourage and then start putting music out on rap blogs? Maybe. Did, did, did they say this is an underground rap? Because he's from New York?

So I was like, this isn't even an LA rapper, this is a New York rapper. So I thought it was interesting. Lily Shushu, you know that movie all about Lily Shushu that was not a real band. And then the singer from that movie started the band because the songs are so good, Mark. Wahlberg should have done Steel Dragon for real dude talking. From there's still time. Rockstar. Yeah, it's true. It's not it's. That's true. It's plenty of time.

But yeah, that was Turtle is interesting because yeah, you don't want to be him. Like when the musical chairs stop and there's chairs with each entourage characters, maybe you do not want to sit in the fucking. You'd rather not have a seat. No, the entire first season. You want to have a carrot friend though? You want to. I think you want to have a turtle in your friend group though.

The entire first season Turtle is very one-dimensional where he's just Vinny's Dick sucker and he like all of his lines are just yeah, but and he backs up why Vinny is right in his like stupidity and why he's doubling down on that. He's just like the worst kind of enabler. I did want to ask if you guys felt like Entourage took a little while to develop its real character, because that's something I feel like I noticed when I went back.

Here is season 1. I don't want to say you can write it off because there's a lot of great moments and character aspects to that first season, but it doesn't really start to feel like itself until Season 2. Well, the way I view it is, and I can tell they didn't have a lot of time to like keep this for the studios weren't going to give them that much time. So I think they went with very simple stuff, right? This guy does this, this guy

does this, this guy does this. And then we just do jokes and jokes and jokes within that, within those parameters. It's kind of like like sports teams like this when a manager has one year left or a guy that assembles A-Team together, they don't think about four years from now.

And so they don't they'll get a bunch of has been guys in there, they'll do all this stuff and then you're like, well, our team sucks and I got fired, You know, whereas if you know you have four years, you're going to like, no, no, no, no, no, let's just plant the seeds. Let's get this going. You can tell they didn't know that. And I think towards the end of season 1, they realize, OK, I think we have something here. I think this is resonating with people. There's catch phrase.

I think they started they did a lot with the well, is it a meeting or is it a discussion? No, a discussion means it's that a lot of those, like a lot of those, that stuff really resonates with people. That was the type of humor that was really popular around that time. And they really lean on that in the first season and it kind of just, they sprinkle it back in later, but you can tell they just kind of were like, we need to float, We need to like tread

water with this. We need one more season for this to work. And I say I, I think the end of season 1's pretty good, but it, it comes, it's kind of like background noise for the first like 5 episodes, 5 or 6 episodes. I think for the most part where you just have it on, you're like, that's kind of funny. And then you and then by like Season 2, by the time all the Aquaman stuff starts, I'm like locked in I think.

It becomes much more of a film nerd show than be like the first season is very much all the movies as this device to move everything along. But season 2 is actually this producer that reference something actually happened, Robert Evans, etcetera, etcetera. And by the end it just becomes so crazy that they're doing parodies of Werner Herzog. That's not something they would have done in the first season at all. What's the? What's the Werner Herzog? Parody. Sorry, that's that's too far

ahead. I'm sorry. No, no, I don't care. I thought I missed it. I was like, oh man. No no, no, but they do did you? I did not rewatch anything for this show and I love rare candy. That's not a that had no relation but the. It's true but. It was not necessary to say that's OK. No, but for real this time anyways. What I what I mean is though that they even do a Harvey Weinstein parody, which is so. So you've seen him in season 4 as well or not?

Yet I watched all of Season 4. Yes, I'm up to I'm up to Medellin tanking at Cannes. OK. Right, right. So exactly what? What? Crazy. Like Bourdain and Argento's like starting of the Me Too movement in like 2017 or something that is way later to make fun of Harvey Weinstein at that time is is one of those elements you were talking about that so. What? What is the Weinstein? See, I thought the syllabus was

one through 3, so I haven't. I delved I think accidentally into four because I was just like, this is so good. That was the original. So let's keep we can keep it for later, but there's. A I won't I won't let you guys know who changed up the syllabus at like, you know, possibly the last second not. Me. Yeah, correct. I won't. I just won't tell you guys who did it. It's correct. It was in DC, but I won't tell you guys who did it of course, but the, you know, anyways, I

did watch it though. I did watch it cuz season 3 is 20 episodes. So I was Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, wait, I thought I was done with season 3. Thank God we pushed it back because I was like, oh, I only have two episodes left and I'll do that right before we watch. I was like no, no, no. I have 9 episodes left of season 3. That's right. I think season 3 is no joke Perfect in my opinion I think. I agree, I think it's the best one by. Wow, like I was like this is

awesome. OK, let's let's go. Let's go through them though, if if you want. But Harvey Weinstein real quick, I don't want to, we'll talk in about it later. But basically they have this character, this disgusting pig who looks just like Harvey Weinstein called Harvey Weinblatt on on the show and what he does and this these are things that we as the normies learned way later. He's that person. So he helped all these movies get made. He's the guy you want to impress.

But as soon as you don't do something he wants, he starts screaming and screeching and he's very nice. But that is, that is I'm I'm telling you, these are all things we learned later, but they knew. I though like because they make him like a brawler. That's what I was wondering about Harvey Weinstein. I could. Never. Oh, he's big. He's a big guy. He's doing the the fake Bill Cosby I'm disabled for court thing. But before he was, he was a big

guy. He's like the Kingpin from Spider Man. Yes, crazy. Yes, yeah, because I that I didn't get, I was like, wait, this guy's like fighting and he's wearing like the weird like John Candy like hat. Yeah. Wilson Fisk, Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's. Nuts like I but yeah, because you you clearly can, but I'm glad I didn't watch this back in in whenever it came out because I wouldn't have got any of those references by the way I didn't know what any of this stuff. I didn't know what Harvey

Weinstein was back then. I had no clue I would have not It's still funny on a on like this. The the humor itself is funny, but like there's there's just another layer that I wouldn't have got back then that that would have probably, I probably would have eventually petered out of the show and got kind of tired of the.

Friend. Yeah. I mean, Weinstein's reputation around this time was that he was difficult to be around and he would fuck a list women, but consensually, you know, obviously the courts would look at that a little differently in 2018 or 2019. Now he's a free man, I think, right? Or, you know, he's, he's back in prison, isn't he? Because Candace Owens talked to him. Yeah, because it was in prison, right?

Didn't she talked to him? Like, yeah, I. Could have sworn that they were like, we fucked up. Just like Cosby, we fucked up, Yeah. That was pretty sneaky of her. So I didn't watch it. Yeah, but yeah, that so that OK, but let's yeah, let's wind back season 1. We got there's not much what's wine? What's wine black?

And but there's there's season 1 is like they're laying the groundwork, but you can tell they're not sure that they have 10 fucking years or whatever to tell the story of Entourage, but they're they're kind of just trying to make sure Johnny Drama, you know, Johnny Drama's a loser has been make sure you know that. And I say I drama's the best in my. Opinion I was getting the vibe they were setting him up as a closet gay because there were all these What are you, a fairy? And then?

The muscle girl that the muscle girl that he's dating, Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And with all the trans stuff they've incorporated in later, you think Kevin Dillon would have walked into that, right? I wanna hear you guys opinion on this. I used to think I used to be team drama. I was like, yo, I wanna get him to the success he deserves this time. And I watch Entourage all the time.

By the way, it's not I didn't rewatch any specific season, but this is like a constant stream of like, if I don't know what to watch and I don't want to just like fry my brain, either I'll watch Nothing or Entourage or Parts unknown. That's like my two shows I always go back to. But then this, this show here I despise in the last few months. I hate Johnny Drama so much it's unreal. I I can't stand him. Every time he opens his mouth, I can't stand him. I don't know what happened.

I used to be Team I. Don't know what? I don't know. I don't know what happened. That's kind of new. That's kind of new. That's kind of new with Sopranos. I didn't like. I watched Sopranos again and I hate Paulie now. Oh yeah. And as a kid when I watched the Browns, he was the funniest fucking guy in the world. But but I could see that. I mean, if you I cuz this is my first go round and I think, I actually think he's really endearing.

And I'm like, I was like, I'd be like, come here, give me a hug, dude. Like I got you, man. You guys are being mean to you, man. Yeah. I love Kevin Dillon can do no wrong from the BLOB, the Chuck Russell BLOB from 1988 where he's got a Jerry Crowell mullet to these Mel Gibson direct to Red Box movies he's done. We're helping Reagan. Reagan's another one. There you go. But what is it? What is it that annoys you about? Is it like his onenoteness?

Is the character, is it his attitude or what? It's it's the we got to look. At it like this. Every every time he starts speaking, it's like what? You got to look at it like this. He. There's he sounds like that. I know I'm, I'm a terrible, I'm a terrible impressionist, but but my point is that every time, like every reaction is just going back to the same thing. And it was great. You know, it's it's it's the but I guess, yeah, the onenoteness. Just something I I hate him now.

I hate Johnny drama. Wow, that's that. That one hurts my feel. I feel like I'm Johnny. I feel like I'm Johnny right now. And you said? That no, no, no. Hans is Johnny. We should get Hans. No, I mean Hods is the real Lloyd. You know, I would. I would say that he's Lloyd. He and I are Ari and Lloyd. Yeah, you're totally, you're a you're Ari. I could see that for sure.

But yeah, I, I will say the thing that I think Ari kind of carries the show season one too, Like that, that that that's fair to say where you're just like, because I, I remember thinking going into it, I knew I didn't know Jeremy Piven from anything, but he was always around because that show was popular and you'd see him everywhere. And I'm like, that guy just

seems really fucking annoying. Like when I looked at him and then you the show, he's hysterical learning that he did wasn't improving any of it. I thought was interesting. Like that's all he's like, no, I'm, I said everything on the script. That was, that's crazy to me because like you would think there's at least some pockets to, to drop a, you know, another line, another slur, whatever in

there. But yeah, I love, I love Ari and his and his wife's man I love, I think it's at the end of season 1 or the end of season 2 when they're sitting in bed and his wife's reading consider the Lobster by David Foster Wallace. And he's, I don't know why it's like so stupid because obviously she's the alpha in the, in the marriage, but it's just, it's

just, it's great. You're a woman reading David Foster Wallace in bed while your husband's like pretending that he fucks so many girls that he does not. It's it's hysterical, but that's what keeps season 1 going. I think Jeremy Piven really saved that show in the first season. In general, I think he's one of the best parts. For sure, for sure. No, he never. Loses it. Have you guys seen the The Irishman of? Course. You you know what?

That's every time they present a gangster, they put the time of death and had like how they died and how brutally he died. That's what I feel about Entourage is what each of these people you can see like, oh, used to be the star of the show, now is doing stand up comedy, smoking stogies. Like that's that's what Jeremy Piven is now because he got cancelled as well. He's also doing this. Yeah. What did he? Get and what I was getting cancelled. For. The same, same thing.

They're all, they're all disgusting guys. They're all like pinched under the the the dress type. Well, he reinvented himself as Mr. Selfridge for PBS Masterpiece Theatre or something. And now, yeah, he he became like the stand up guy because that was the only community that would accept, you know, anybody like that. But it seems like he's kind of softly returned. I don't think, I don't think HBO would green light a reboot just yet.

But give it about two to three years and people will just be like, whatever. When James Franco comes back, that's when Jeremy, Jeremy won't come back. I was one day away from meeting James Franco and I'm so pissed off. Dude. I can all all, all of my friends met James Franco and I, I left just the day before so. Damn dude, he's a fucking Bay Area legend. No, he he's literally right now. I want to see all his movies but it's going to be impossible in the US I'm assuming, or in Canada.

He did the Italian movie in 2024. Yeah, exactly. Exactly where he's like a fisherman or something. It's this is the era of film. This is the cinema I want to see, but I can't, I can't see anything. He's a. Little beefy these days. He's kind of gotten a little wide. It doesn't suit his his form or his face, but he'll, he'll lose that, you know? Yeah. He always need that look, like an action figure that's always like James Franco is supposed to

supposed to look. But yeah, no, I what's that? Sorry, no, I I go deep in Franco. OK, The Dave Franco sort of took the place of James Franco. The only reason why Dave Franco has a career is because James can't play and. Isn't that funny? You wouldn't. You think you'd poison the family tree, wouldn't you? Like if you were trying to get rid of a guy? No. No. No, it feels weird. You know, you see the studio and Dave Franco does pop up at a

certain point. Like I think the third episode, I have an episode on the studio I've been cooking up for a little while now, and it's like, OK, well, they're trying to do kind of similar to Entourage, but it feels like an insincere version of that. It's Letterbox. The movie, Yeah. It's like, remember when Ari Oster did this? No, we can't do Ari Oster. It's it's. And then the one shot.

Everybody loves Goodfellas so. That's what I I keep hearing about the one shot thing and that's what's taking me out of watching it. And also Apple TV played out anything on Apple TV, I'm always like, well, that'll be fun for an episode and then I'll forget about it. So. Severance, dude, you don't want to watch Severance. I have. I watched the first. I watched the first season, but it was fucking five years ago. So I'm like, well, what am I going to do? Watch the first season again?

I didn't like it that much. I love Walter mitty I love Walter mitty don't say anything bad about Walter mitty bro, he's the best. The Secret Life of Walter Mitty is such a great film. I. Want he just got he got signed off for Twilight Zone the Movie 2. Yeah. You know, that's going to be exciting. Yeah, yeah. So Jeremy Piven should be right alongside him. I think it should be a package deal. He was in heat.

Jeremy Piven was in heat. In the great scene where De Niro asked for his shirt and it's like, my daughter gave me this shirt. That's. Oh, that's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, no, it's. Rush hour 2. That's his best role. Maybe that's true. Seinfeld, a customer service man and. Guess what? And guess what Rush Hour was. The Rush Hour 3 comes in as a plot point in in Entourage where Brett Ratner invites Johnny Drama thinking, yeah, yeah,

think it's thinking. It's the young Co star from 5 town, from the five towns, the new NBC drama. And and then he's like, fuck, it's this 45 year old guy or whatever. And it's like, it's great. And he's like, no, Brett Ratner, you're a scammer just like me, man. Like, you know, it's it's it's good. And I think Mark Wahlberg's pitch for like celebrity cameos was like, we'll make fun of you relentlessly if you don't do the show.

So you're going to become a plot point or you're going to become like an off screen joke. If not, and I wonder how often that worked. You know, the first season seems to feel like Batman 1966, where every episode you get a celebrity guest star in some form. And obviously it's Mark Wahlberg in that first one. And then I do they end on like Val Kilmer as that Sherpa?

Guy yeah. Weed. Weed farmer Sherpa Guy that Vinny Chase's like new age yoga girlfriend it's like her ex-boyfriend or something Yeah, which is a bit. That was a big moment Your your girlfriend being like the only person we could buy weed from is my ex-boyfriend and then you're like that that'll never happen let me call 5 more people they don't answer and you're like let's go buy it from your fucking ex-boyfriend that was

pretty funny I like. You're from, you're from California. You love weed, don't you? You love weed? I I don't love it anymore but I consume it. Yeah. OK, good. Yeah. How's that? How's that like? How is it? I've been smoking it since I was 13 years old. Nice to see like a high functioning guy. You'd be the judge of that. No, no, no, I'm, I'm not that's that's not what I mean. But it's like that's, that's crazy to me because I, I, I heard Jay on the pod as well. Like he said, I I can't.

I can't. Yeah, once I got on Twitter, everyone was like, I can't smoke weed. And I'm like, really? That's crazy. Like everyone smokes weed out here and always has. It's not Now I understand because I think there were a lot of states that had no business having like weed culture and not weed culture forever has always been bad, by the way.

It's never like there was never like a golden age of like pot pajamas, pot leaf pajamas, you know, our or the hat, like Johnny Drama buys advise the weed hat from the cannabis club, which I love that episode too. But the there. But I've I've always liked it and my my brain moves way too fast to even be productive a lot of times. And I don't mean that in like an intellect way. It's just it's just Millennium Falcon stars going by me and I

can't get anything done. So I kind of just it's kind of slows me down. Now that being said, I don't really use it before like recording or anything like that, but I it's more of a night time activity for me. But yeah, I've always, I've always when I got on like Twitter and podcast, people were like, I smoked weed once and I'm like, I was in the insane asylum for a month.

What the fuck are you like? Yeah, they're like anyways, I my script of Adderall was fucking 9,000,000 milligrams that I take it. I was like, oh, OK. Well, you agree with you. That's the Sid Barrett thing as well. Like if you're already twisted in the head and then you add something to it, of course it's going to bubble up and and kill you. You know, like that's the thing. If you're already demented, then you're not going to get out of there with the.

I don't know, it's just interesting to not really to entre. I'm just, I'm just interested in that. No, no, I, I think there's an interesting observation there. It seems like, you know, I, you know, maybe this is a New York thing. I know way more people who use coke than smoke weed casually, which that's the why you know you're going to die, you're

going to get. I saw a prominent, I saw I saw a prominent right wing poster like a prom, like like a Capital B based guy say, and I know where this guy is from. He said, wow, the weed smell in New York is disgusting. I said that is that even top five bad New York smell?

And by the way, this person from Northern California, by the way, I'm like, there's no way that was your first time smelling weed Like and or you know, the wafts from the window and you might not like the smell of weed, but I'm like, there's like, if it's over 75° in New York, I heard it smells like garbage. Yeah, yeah. You get garbage, you get pissed, you get weed. I mean, it's just a new flavor to the equation.

It's really not the worst of it. I can't say I'm personally a fan of it, but I'm not put off by it. Either no, but it there you there is. I can't smoke the way I used to though, like and and the stuff is medical truly like medical insane medical strong now, whereas in the past, like I used to be able to wake up and just literally go to work, do everything with weed hat like cigarettes consuming it that way.

Now it's, you know, if I were to wake up and and, you know, do whatever, take an edible or something like that. I'm not, I mean, I might watch season 5 of Entourage. But yeah, you know, that's a, that's the major key is when you make like the thing that you do like, well, I'm gonna watch ATV show and talk about it. You're like, well, I guess I can, I can make that part of it. But yeah, it's, it's definitely,

I'm fucking mid 30s now. It's definitely, definitely can't do it the way that I used to and nor should I. So. Yeah. I think the last time I smoked weed, Entourage was on the air. So it's been a while. I've been out, I've been out. Maybe I'd love it now I probably won't. Find out. I wouldn't try it now. I'll do it now. Yeah. You left at the right time if it wasn't for you. Yeah. Because that's now they have like now that now it's like Reddit.

So like you have like Redditors that make weed now and they're like now it's we combined 18 different plants. I mean. This one ghost pepper of weed, you know that. That's it. This is Carolina Reaper Piss Kush. Yeah, yeah, it's they have that. It's true, that stuff. It is crazy. But yeah, any any who shall we move to season 2 Talk a little Season 2. I feel like that's a much more exciting season. I I got to admit I forget what happens when. So me too. So let me let me just don't

don't stop the show for this. Obviously Opie and Anthony, but I, I really want to get the I, I want to get the episode list up so I can see sort of, but keep going. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know that we need to be that rigid, but yeah. I I no, I'm actually the first result by the way, is episode list severance. So that's cool. Go ahead. Sorry, sorry. I'm. Going on Apple devices because you can't do anything without. Well, we get a lot of big staple characters in Season 2.

You do get Lloyd, you get Sloan, you get the Malcolm McDowell character. Yeah, you know, you start to build the three-dimensional nature of this Entourage universe, really. Yeah, you get Beverly D'Angelo. That's right. Yeah, That's that's nice. I I love that a lot. I love the angry Busey you do get. Oh yeah. Multiple abuse. I wasn't Season 1 when the when the turtle knocks over the fucking thing. I wonder. Yeah, I couldn't remember. You're right. That was cool.

That was. Yeah. But he comes in later too, I think. Yeah, no, he returns. Maybe it's the season or penultimate episode of season 1 where he's at the beach and he's just like abusing Turtle. Yeah, it's dumps. Though it's clearly what just Busey wanted to do that day. Remember, I'm with. Oh yeah. That was so funny back then when you would be like, hey, this guy's fucking schizo with like, brain damage. Let's just like, literally like Sam Hyde's the only one that

does that now. But like, everybody like back then, that was like, we have a show that'll last for a decade if you put or however long that lasts. I think it lasted longer than it should have. But yeah, they had a show called I'm with Busey when he was like, anyways, I had a motorcycle accident. Fucking banged my head. That that was, that's another great thing about the early odds is kind of forgotten is they would just grab whatever mentally ill celebrity and then

you'd have a show. You know, they did that with Ozzy, they did that with Anna Nicole, all huge successes. They would just, or they would just take like black people and put them in the Hollywood Hills, like like 3-6 Mafia, you know, like just the stuff like that. It was Adventures in Hollywood, great show. And yeah.

And it was, it was kind of like a postmodern thing where we're like, ah, we'll just, it's reality TV is going on and we'll just do Surreal Life, Celebrity Rehab, which are all great shows in. My 2 quarries, that's a masterpiece. Haman Feldman Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Also same network as Wahlburgers, it might have been on at the same time. What? What time? What network was that? That was A&E. Yeah, that's right. I was. That was Spike TV, but I guess not.

Yeah, yeah, that's funny. Yeah, not remember when guys millennials. That was definitely that was definitely great. But I love yeah, I love the introduction to Sloan because it takes my guy E he gets all goo goo Gaga over her. He's not he's not the he loses all his his his bite. You know, he doesn't have the bite. He's not the tough guy anymore. Is he ever tough? Yeah, he, he, he puts a hard

line a lot of times. What I like about is he's a good middle man because Vinny will agree to a lot of stuff, but he knows what Vinny doesn't actually want to do because he's known him forever. So go man, fuck that guy.

E, you know when they want to buy the, when you go to season 4 and they want to buy Medellin, only guy that thinks that's a good idea is E and he kind of doesn't, but he knows it's what Vinny wants to do. So that's why he has a little bit of it. And he, you know, he, he tries to strong arm Ari a little bit because he's trying to, he wants to be the manager and stuff. He has a little bite to him, like. He right hooks Billy Walsh as well. I forget about that as well.

He just assaults him. He picks his battles well, I'll say that. Much like he's a character that that punches in his weight class, which he's pretty small, but you know, in terms of like guys that could kick your ass or something. It's not like, again, Chuck Liddell in the Punked, the kind of Punked spoof episode. But yeah, that was, yeah, Season 2 was great because I love Malcolm McDowell. Because at first I thought it was, what's that guy's name? Udo Keir.

Udo Keir Terence Stamp. I thought it was him. I thought it. Was like I was. Like damn, Udo Keir is an entourage and I was like, no, never mind. He made it like a face that looked like fucking Alex from Clockwork Orange. I was like, oh shit, never mind. Yeah, there he is. There he is. Yeah, it was great. Yeah, that was those are those are all great. His like hunting, his little hunting stuff. The painting too, the fake paintings in Ari's office.

I love that one where he has to give the real one away after a while. Ari's marriage counseling stuff is some of my all time favorite stuff. I think that I don't know if that's in season 1 at all, but I know in season 2 and three that becomes a big thing is the the marriage counseling thing. So what are your guys favorite

moments from that time? Oh, you know, I was, I kept going back to it's kind of a gimmick episode, but I really liked where they went to the Playboy Mansion and they created this little, you know, frenemy relationship with Ralph Macchio. That's right. Who's now back in movie theaters with Jackie Chan? Karate Kid? Yeah. That's a fun episode. I just watched. I just watched a great Ralph Macchio movie The other day. It was called Crossroads.

You guys ever seen Crossroads? The Britney Spears movie. No, it's that's what I thought when it was suggested to me. But no, he's a Blues guitarist that has to he has to shred guitar to get a Blues harmonica guy's and. He's Britney Spears rival in Crossroads. They're having a singing competition. No, he fucks Britney Spears in Crossroads. Yeah. No, no, no, he doesn't. Was she like 16 and he was 30? No.

It's a Walter Hill movie. This crossroads thing is like, oh wow, from 1986 to a Walter Hill movie. It's actually pretty damn good. I expected it to be like, really hokey, and it is. But it's like, you know, tastefully in that way. But yeah, he's, he is. He is back, apparently. I saw him on that when I went to the movies yesterday. I saw a big picture of Ralph Macchio. I was like, I almost had a seizure. It was crazy. They they shot that movie in my old school, my primary school,

you know, like this one. No, no, no, no, no. The new the new, new Karate Kid. I gotcha. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Post Jackie Chan Jackie Chan Post Post. Jaden Yeah. And that, that pisses me off because I was talking with the school to shoot there and they're like, yeah, let me, we're going to put you in touch. We're going to, we're going to put you in touch with our guy. And the guy never responded to me. And then and then I, I see this movie and they shot Karate Kid, which is like you are.

Jackie Chan, dude, no. But that's it really. It really sucks to see institutions of higher learning, you know, primary. I'm a fucking alum, dude. I I literally, I literally said that I was like, yeah, when? Ari Gold, when Ari Gold's trying to get his kid into that school, right? That's how he had to treat that situation, yeah. The principal's home and say, please, I'm begging you. Yeah, no, it just, it just sucks to see a higher institution of learning like that.

Bend for the money, bend for the big, big business right there. I I I think that sort of sucks. And then they say in the trailer like, hey, you're in New York now, you're in America. And then they shoot this in the Montreal school. It's such a phony poser little piece of shit. Movie thing Canada for New York. Oh, love it, dude. Yeah, and Oh my other actually, I think maybe my favorite

episode I've seen so far. It's stupid and hokey, but I had my reasons for loving it. Is the nerd con convention. Year. Quest where it's the only I like it when Johnny Drama gets to actually where he's actually right about how famous he is in a certain times and it happens twice so far where when they go to Cannes and he's France. Viking Quest is huge and. Which is my favorite episode of the show I'm pretty sure. It's pretty great.

And then, but then this one where you have Rainn Wilson, the evil comic Blogger, where most of the time was, was an HBO alum. He was in Six Feet Under, I believe, and he it's so good because Mandy Moore and Adrian or Mandy Moore and Vinny Chase had a had a thing and there's a whole relationship thing and and Vinny gets knocked off his cool guy stuff for a little bit because of Mandy Moore. Which dude? Come on.

If I remember right, I feel like this is ripped from reality because there was a whole controversy with Ain't It Cool News, which was like the premium nerd blog media press site online during that time. And, you know, they had the ability to kind of like, make or break the narrative on certain films. And, you know, you're watching this in 2025. And it would seem like, you know, something we didn't really get into is Vinny has a resistance against playing Aquaman.

And I feel like in 2025, if you get offered any of these movies, you're taking that without question just because you know the dump truck of money is going to back up to your house and you're going to have a lot more opportunities. I mean, you're. Taking Matterhorn, you're accepting Matterhorn too. Yes, yeah. I mean, DC you're you're you're clearly artistic integrity first

guy. But surely if they came to you and said, hey, we want you for Doctor Strange 3, Surely we're getting the DC directed Doctor Strange 3, right? It can't be worse than universal madness. So let's do it. Yeah, let's. OK, there you go. So multiverse, he's like, I don't want to worry. Your costume, what is it? Halloween? You know I'm not going to dress his Aquaman, and he's not. Jacked either what it was really funny to see, like because he's really not jacked at all, or.

Athletic, by the way, Or athletic? Yeah, he. Moved. He's like movement is not like a star in any way. I mean, he's got the face, obviously, but it's it's funny to see what like a star was back then as opposed to now where you're just like, you see, like the Rock playing. What's his name? Mark Henry? Or what's the guy's name? The, the.

Yeah. Like I I just mean to be a star now you have to to just be like Tom Hardy got fucking swole for Bane and like all this and Vinny Chase is like that's fine to play Aquaman like that. I kind of missed that when you just had a gossip. It's a different. World, I mean, you look at the superhero movies of the time, what you have like Spider Man, obviously. And Spiderman's really the only one that was successful during that time from the X-Men movies. So there's like a reason to not

be completely on board. Yeah. And you have Hugh Jackman, you have Hugh Jackman as Wolverine, who eventually for Logan I think got Jacked, but he didn't look that. If I could be wrong, the 1st he doesn't look that jacked. No, he doesn't look jacked at all. In fact, he looks kind of soy. He's just a small guy with like heavy sideburns. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But yeah, you know which movie I used? I used to love that. The one where he goes to Japan. That was such a sick movie.

The Wolverine. 1. I think, I think it's called The Wolverine, Just Wolverine, something like that. It's one of the reboots where it's just about Wolverine and he goes to Japan. It's so sick. I've only seen Logan. So before Logan, I think it was the same director. They thought that was going to be that movie. It was going to be like an adept of some comic and then to like make up for that because it

wasn't critically well received. They're like, all right, we're going to do Logan. Don't worry, calm down, relax, relax. But. What I loved about I loved about the the Viking Quest convention episode was seeing actual nerds. Not, not now. Everybody's a nerd. Literally anybody that takes any interest in anything is either autistic and or a nerd. So it's just kind of this everybody, everybody loves Marvel now. Yeah, everybody loves that. There's no like there's not really.

Everybody has a niche hobby, I guess is what I is what I mean. But seeing like an actual just goober, I think back then like a goober I think is the word I would use. And you're just like, wow, it's actually refreshing to see instead of now like where you just see like a, a jacked dude in like a flash shirt and you're just like, Nah, dude, you see that? I don't see it. It's such posturing. I don't believe it.

Every fan of Marvel is Mexican. Well, it's sometimes it's a Jack Mexican. I don't. Know what to tell you No, no, no, that's that's that's what I'm saying. But I I'm sorry, this it sounds like not even a racial thing, but you know, Eris. Is a racial thing. It's all right though, go ahead but but. Eris Quinones. You know Eris Quinones. No. Such a terrible person to bring up. But that to me is the typical Marvel fan.

He's like the guy who's like, he'll watch any trailer for Marvel or DC and he's going to be like, this is so exciting, you know, like this is the best thing I've seen. And then he does videos on his YouTube channel, which has like 1,000,000 of followers where it's like the secret back story of Zam Zaboor, the background character in the Daredevil trailer. And it's it's about the comics. I don't know, to me, that is the nerd. That is the person who really cares about that stuff to degree

where it becomes religious. It's not even about what The thing is anymore. It's about the principle of having comic book characters. And he loves it so much. That's that's a nerd. One, I think during COVID, a lot of people just got niche hobbies. Like I know people who got into Marvel because it was on Disney Plus and it was accessible and they had nothing to do but watch

every Marvel movie. There were accompanying podcasts, U.S. media that would talk about it and then they would you people would emerge out of their hideout and they would be like, I'd be like, you're a Marvel fan now. They're like, I always have been actually. And like, no, I know exactly how you got into it. It's fine to admit that. It's totally fine to admit that.

I just, I just laughed because you look at these people and you're like, I don't know when people used to watch like Battlestar Galactica, like like actual nerd shows. And whereas on my baseball team, if I said I watched Battlestar Galactica, people would be like, are you fucking kidding me, dude? Whereas I don't think that's the case now you'll see like NFL players are like I love of one piece and you're just like no fucking way, like like there's

no way like. So it's just it was nice to see like what you saw as like an actual nerd, like the school at your nerd with the wolf T-shirt, like the howling, like the wolf howling at the moon, which now that's an ironic like. Yeah. Fashion thing in its own where I just it was just I was like, man, that's exactly how it used to be. We actually I I hate to say it was like a segregated society, the nerds and all that stuff and they didn't try to fit in with cool kids.

They just like no hang out with the other nerds. Oh, it's. It's a mutual aberration society, OK, they really hate each other. They despise, really despise. It's not like the nerds want to be. Of course, maybe in their head they want to be cool, but it's it's never the like just the cool kids hating the nerds and the nerds think the cool kids are dumb and jocks and stupid and wash their, their, their, their hair with, with mud, you know?

I used to walk by this school all the time and I don't know if you had this low rest since we're about the same age, like where you walk by and you tell the kids playing Counter strike in the in the room. Did you ever have that like a computer room? We had a computer room where kids at lunch, I think the teacher was just cool and they were all playing Counter strike. They didn't say a fucking word. They'd get out of the class. I didn't know any of those kids

names or anything. I'd have you'd have to look in the yearbook when the year came out. But they all had that like community of like Counter Strike kind of for and this is before FPS was like a huge thing where everyone played Call of Duty Black Ops. These kids would play this all the time. You're like, that was a friend group. I don't know if they even talk to each other ever or anything. But it was just, it was like I have, they wouldn't let me in if

I tried. So my school didn't have that because all the computers were barred from having any sort of game except for what was like the generic one that was like a purple background and every single computer had it baked in on it like minesweep style gaming, you know? But there was a collective of kids at my school who after school were professional Super Smash Brothers players. And they were like the really stinky kids, you know? And one was particularly successful.

He's like, I got hundreds of millions of dollars now. Moved to San Francisco like right after high. School, you have to tell me. I'll go fucking find him and beat his. Eye, I'll give you his name. I'll. Give you his name. I just go fight him for no reason. But that that was basically the version that existed in my sphere of things, you know? Yeah, that's that's 40 miles from me, dude. That's nothing. From the five to the six, I grew up in the liberal

Canadian education system. So we had computers, a ton of them, and all of them had one game called Machinim. If you know Machinium, it's the lamest game of all time. You're like a robot. It's a pointed click game. You have to solve clues. And I was a gamer at the time. I was mortal combating every night, but I I could not play that game. It sucks so bad. Look at me. If you're listening to this show, check out Machinium. Guarantee you we have a lot of

Canadian listeners. I guarantee you they're like. Dick dude, I hate machinium so fucking because you're this like goofy ass robot. It's like wall-e before wall-e and then you have to Click to open bridges and like esteem. It's like a steam punk 2 as well. So it's like, it's like you're doing like steam turbine puzzle. I hate it so much man. Was it, was it like a little autism thing? Like was it kind of like a like a geared for the autistic? Brain No social programming bro.

Everybody had to play machinima. It was the the one thing we had on the computer. Yeah, I don't know what it was we had. I don't it wasn't even IMAX or anything. They they were like regular old, like PCs or whatever, but kids were in there and I'm like, damn, this is crazy. Like post Columbine they're letting kids play like fucking shooting. Games. Yeah, like. And they and the kids kind of looked like, you know, they

would do something like. This so they were white kids OK this is the difference is. All they're Asian. They're Asians there. Were a lot of Asians too? Yeah, 50. Almost like 50% of the city that I went to high school in was Asian, which is why there was a big Nintendo band I would assume. There you go. Yeah, that's true. That's a good. Point in high school there was a League of Legends that's also a big big in Japan wasn't. That like 4 years ago, no? No, no, no, No, no, No.

Is this another risk on my my youth? High school is far behind, OK. It's not even close. It's not even close. Yeah. You see these scars? Yeah. Yeah. There you. Go So the yeah, the Mandy Moore thing. I was glad when that was over. I was getting her off my fucking screen, dude. Like, sorry, I was done done with her just. Ignore me, actress man. I don't want to see that. I want to see the crazies. I don't want to see the female agent Luca Guadagnino.

What's your name? What's your fucking name? Beverly D'Angelo. Carla Gugino. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's that's Twist. That's a great character. Mamma Mia. Yeah. Sorry. Go ahead. No, you're right. I mean, that was very worthy of bringing up. Yeah, that was that was nice. But yeah, that you know, in Season 2 there's I'm trying to think what there's not because these are these are short because season 3 is the big one. Season 3. Yeah, Why is it 20 episode?

I I'm I don't know. I'm not arguing with it. I just like that's a weird for one season to have 20. Episode This was 2006, right? And I believe there was like a year break in between, was there not? It does seem it seems like there's a stopping point for sure in the season. I feel like. They Sopranos it were 'cause I heard of HBO used to do a thing where if you called it a second another season, they didn't have to pay a bonus for the actors for getting renewed.

So interesting. Yeah, it could be that. I learned that from the David Chase documentary they were talking about that they said basically the reason Sopranos season, I think 6 is 2 parts. It's really two seasons. It got, it was filmed as though it was a second another season time off and everything but the actor. HBO is notoriously cheap, especially back then. I don't know if they are still are, but they they were

notoriously cheap. So maybe they did something like that where they're like, this show's getting big. Let's see if we can skim a little off the top. Depending on what year it was, you know, there was a writer's strike that occurred sometime around then. And I don't know if that would be the reason why, but a lot of shows had a pause or they would have to like double up on on.

You know, I remember with CBS in particular, you tuned in and suddenly they were playing Dexter, which is not Acbs show. They were playing like APG version of Dexter that was edited for primetime television. You know, and it could be something like that. I'm not I'm not certain why. Maybe you just also got a huge bump in viewership. I I don't know what the gap would have been. Yeah, I or I'd like, like I said, that was probably around the same time as Sopranos ending.

So maybe that was just what HBO was doing that year was was just around that. Yeah, that's interesting. So that but it's it's I think it's awesome. The season 3. It's just every you get, we get we get our we get Billy Walsh, we get a lot, we get we get Billy Walsh. He's back. I mean, I, you miss him so much by the time you're like, I like, is he just not going to come back? I was like so bummed, but the way you were talking about him, the child was like, he has to come back at some.

Yeah, like there's no way you were just excited about him for like 1 episode because I got excited about the Chinese energy drink commercial guy from a while back. And I was like, that's that's low res. He's the Chinese energy. Drink commercial guy. We didn't say who he was. Who do you think he is? Who's Jay? Who like no, I mean. He's he's, he's. A he's RE. He's like a RE gold. I think like hybrid, you're a

hybrid character. Because I've had, listen, I'll tell you on a project that DC and I worked on, there were a lot of phone calls where I was definitely channelling RE gold, you know, so I, I could feel that. I know that Masshole can just come out of you at some point, you know, like it's, it's not there all the time, but I bet, I bet somebody could bring it out. Oh no. It's deeply suppressed, you know, but it is ready. To come out DC, bring it out of you or?

No, no, DC is a dream. Of course he is. Dreamboat. Handsome guy. Although here's playing Genium Machinium. Really. I'm I'm, I'm, I'm getting fatter everyday. Brothers, you don't even understand. I thought I was lean. I thought I was lean. That I saw a picture of myself. I'm like, what? You know, fish. You're not that fish for compliments on record. No, no, no, no, no. But that the whole brother, brother, brother. Brother, I'm getting I'm this is

getting nasty. I'm I'm buying nut butter. You know what? Nut butter. Yeah, I tell you, I've been smoking pot since I was fucking 13. Of course I know it. Nut butter. I can get a whole jar. I probably have. Of of what? Of which one? Damn it. OK, that's the thing. Because, you know, peanut butter, obviously everybody knows about peanut butter except. But then, yeah. Yeah. But then, but then there's this pistachio flavored and this is not a sponsorship or whatever.

It's just so delicious. It's like pistachio peanut butter, but it's with pistachios. So the peanuts, Glenn focus please, when I'm talking about nut butter. No, he's trying to order some right now. He's. Very no. I I had to get some information. I do know about nut. I do know about. So you're eating entire jars of nut butter is. That what I mean. They're small. They're small, but yeah. You're like you're like I that's what sigh does. He's like dude I am losing it.

I had fucking 4 kettle chips the other day. I'm like. But sigh is actually obese. It's different. I think it's it's not the same you. Don't know anything about him dude. But on the on the video maybe? Maybe I have I weigh more than him. Oh. I do I weigh more? Same height I'm. A little tall, smidge taller, yeah, smidge, yeah. I got, I have a wide build. I have a wide build. So I can I, when I get fat, it's Vince Vaughn. Oh, that's cool. It's, it's actually, that's a good fact.

Actually, it's exactly it why it kind of distributes evenly, you know, like, like, so it like, 'cause I, I, my biggest, I got, I got to 2:15 at my biggest. And I, I mean, I don't think anybody cares about this, but I got, I got, maybe they do actually, but I got, I got like to 2:15 and I looked and it all, it took one picture when I was like this and I was like, fuck. And that's how I saw it. But if I had a big protruding gut then I would have lost it away way earlier, you know?

That's always the tipping point I feel is like you take a picture of yourself and then a week or two later you check it out and you look like a fat piece of shit. It's like, oh, I hate myself so much I get a star. Being tagged and it's the worst. Oh yeah. Oh, yeah, Jay knows about this. Jay, I know I got scolded for this. When When we? It's not scolded. It's just like you take the, you take a man, you know? And why did you post those fat ugly photos of me, you fucking asshole?

Because look, at least get me from the side profile like Johnny drama. I have a good side. If you do the the full profile thing, it's just going to be a a wrecked, you know, a wretched disgusting picture there. I. Don't I don't think they were that bad. It was listen, you know how the iPhone does the distort on the sides when it's a wide enough picture that's. Real I was I was dead centre. I was dead centre on the picture there that's not that's not real. It doesn't matter.

Let's move on. It's. Good, you were very short in the Ralph Sepi junior group photos. All this. That was like a Joe Biden meeting the Carters thing, right? That was, that was not, that was not. That's that's OK. That's cool. Sort of like in that David Lynch ass picture. Like, I don't know why that's. The yeah, that's the weirdest. Fucking thing. I forgot about that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, it kind of sounds like DC you're you're trying to embrace your turtle here if you're eating a lot of nut butter. No. And that that's that's the thing as well, Like turtle, Turtle to me. He got lean, by the way, and he didn't. Get cool. By the way, Yeah, I was looking at the movie interviews. He looks the he aged the best out of any of the four of them, you know. I mean, yeah, I don't know. I think Adrian Greeninger looks pretty fucking. Good.

Well, yeah, of course. But he had yeah, going for him to begin with. You know, it's not as impressive. Yeah, he could. Like, he could never be like. He would have to do like, like Mickey Rourke shit to like, be ugly, you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. So that would make sense. He's also the type of look this is parasocial. I don't know this but it seems he seems to me the type of celebrity that doesn't drink or doesn't do anything, but I don't know why he.

Said he had substance abuse. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Good stuff. And childhood drama too, I'm assuming. Right? Like, yeah. But he would never. It was funny like because they asked him on that on that victory. It's I think it's Doug Ellen was hosting it and he was like, so yeah, like where you been and stuff. And he's like, well, I, I really had to just get off the grid for a little bit. And I really. And I had these demons and like,

oh, yeah. And they're like trying to be polite, like not asking what the demons are, but he keeps bringing up the demons and. But demons and like literal demons. Yeah, I know. He's like, what are they? And he goes, oh, massive substance abuse and and then he's like, it was like cool guy Nofap where it's like I was just having sex a lot and busting too much like as opposed to as opposed to like why you would actually need to do Nofap. Like it's really funny.

It's it's it cracked me up. But anyways, yeah, Turtle looks good when you when you when you see him now. I I think I mean he's kind of like when he's like about to fuck Lauren, Lauren London in in of the black mechanics daughter or whatever, Like when he's like about to get you're just like, get out of here, dude, you're not that funny.

Like, you know, like. That's The thing is, well, every time they're like they imply that Turtle gets laid, which is very funny to me because he's not charming and even his closest the the girl who's there in the context right, is already close to Vince Turtle can no longer provide any service whatsoever. But for some reason, oh, come on, I'm, you know, he always does this and it, it works out, which is so unrealistic in this show, you know?

Here's what I'll say. You know, I won't throw the baby out with the bathwater here because I feel like during that time period, I certainly knew a lot of wiggers who were pretty similar to Turtle. And listen, they weren't they weren't, you know, knocking out the top bar like maybe he is for some episode, but they would do pretty well for themselves without much of anything to offer. So I, you know, I don't know, I it wasn't too detached from.

And that that tall T shit used to really hide A lot. Like it was kind of our yoga pants for guys back. In the day like it was. Kind of when I was like, no one knew what fat guys were for like 5 years. Gee, like your friend, like you'd, you'd go to like Vegas or whatever and you'd hit like the pools and stuff and be like holy shit, my friend's been fat this whole fucking time.

This is crazy. They would all wear this but 3 XL. Three XL you know, you never really see that when you're young you don't get the neck thing like when you're that's like when you get older so like you're the kind of fat that you get is like there you can grow a beard too. You know, there's all sorts of ways around that neck fat thing. So but Turtle legit looks fat when he's wearing the catcher in season 1. He's wearing the the catchers thing and the dog bites him.

It's very slapstick and silly. It's kind of kind of dumb, to be honest. I mean really all he had to do was drop about 30 lbs and then take the hat off so his head has like more. He's a handsome guy. He's like, yeah, he's a handsome guy. Like in the way like he's better looking than Kevin Dillon. Yeah, I get. Yeah, yeah, I'll agree. Matt, Matt, it's it's rough because like Matt Dillon's the like Chad guy, you know, out of the family. And I love I again, I'm I'm pro Johnny drama.

But now, yeah, I I can see, I can see myself becoming anti Johnny Drama. After we get a few, a few watches in a few, a few months and moments, you know, and then yeah. This is only Part 1 of the The Entourage saga that's going to. We're doing 10 and we're doing 10, yeah. We're doing Korean. I want to do Korean entourage. I really do. Well, we have to do Ari. We have to do Ari the movie. Ari the Movie. Is that the goods The used car

salesman? Comedy on Doug Ellen's IMDb Ari the Movie. Ari the Movie. It I'm just saying I don't know what if it exists or not. It's just there. It's on his thing. We have to track down Doug Ellen and get a copy of that right now. Ari Gold like movie apparently I have no idea if it's real. I I I just when you Google Doug Ellen like what he's done because I look and it's all these like how high tier like black people comedies, which I

thought was funny. I was like, that's crazy that Doug Ellen's writing these and oh. Doug Ellen's done. With the culture, let's say that I mean season 3, you're right because season 3 or season 4 of entourage is when all the rappers come in Kanye and you have Mary J Blige, you have all you have all those people that come in and Snoop, of course and the. Soundtrack Oh let's Snoop is a big topic here, but definitely even the soundtrack and they got Jay-Z on the soundtrack.

You have, you know, others. Oh, one of my favorite moments, and I think it's from season 3, one of my favorite moments because it was a literally me moment. Unfortunately, it's a turtle that was literally me in this situation. But he's just smoking weed by himself in a room and Jay Dilla's won't do is is playing in the background. I'm like, I literally did that in 2007, like by myself, not in a nice, but he's in a much nicer

room than I was. But you know, I was in one of those weird like busted leather Craigslist couch fucking houses doing that, you know, slat slatted blinds. And so, yeah, I mean a little different, but it was literally. So is that what is there? Is there a share screen option in this app? I don't know if you have. Apps present. I think it's present. Screen. Oh, can you do, can you do that? OK, yeah, yeah, if you can, because I think there's AI don't

think you're getting that. Oh, oh, I see. I have to add it. All right. Here we go dude, Ramble on. This looks like it's like AI before AI. It's like GBT 1, you know? Is that Joe Estevez? I don't know which one it is. I don't think it's the on cinema guy, but that's the thing. It's the weekend. There's the weekend on there. The basically, yeah, Mark Cuban is. What? Oh, of course. Yeah. Sorry, did you?

What a crazy cast. Here they have the yeah, the guys from Entourage and the Charlie Sheen called Ramble On. Floating head. That looks like a reality show that's about to happen. Coming soon 2022. It's it's on. It's on IMDb so I'm assuming. Oh, sorry, did you still want the IMDb? Yeah, go ahead. No, no, it's all right. Sorry. Just I mean look at I. Is this for you? Is that his podcast? Yeah, I think that's what it is. Yeah. I think that's the podcast. I no. Well, maybe. You don't.

You don't get the headphones, He's got the. Headphones. Yeah, he's got the headphones. You're right. But Jamie. Jamie Lynn Siegler. Well. You're not got, you haven't gotten there yet. That's a big thing in Entourage as well. She has a major role in Entourage. Oh. Good Doug Allen has a cameo and entourage when Johnny Drama is performing for the CSI spin off, right? Yes, yes, yes. That's a great, that's a great scene. Also his son I believe is the Ari's kid if I'm not mistaken.

Oh, really? Yeah, yeah. That's Doug Allen's son. I'm just, I'm captured. This is, this is a movie. This is not a podcast. This is. Am I not sharing anymore? I don't. No, you are. I'm just, I'm trying to figure out what the fuck this is. It's like the end of Sopranos when you think Tony is going to die. Yeah, I was going to say it's the painting where that you have like the Godfather, Tony Soprano, Scarface. Michael Corleone, Tony Soprano,

Tony Al Pacino twice. Yeah, Absolutely, Absolutely. Yeah. Well, that's, I mean, that's excellent. Thanks for. Can you, can you check on if there's an Ari Gold movie? I thought I saw that. I thought like I was going to add this to our watch list at some point. For sure, but look at it's shot on film. That's insane of. Course it is. That's crazy. Why? Dude how much dumb ass money went into this That's.

Now that's my thing as well. Of course I wasn't, I was born in the wrong generation and everything, but I can't fathom the just the, the resources that went into Entourage, especially with how undoable. And I don't want to just repeat that stuff. Like, of course we know it's from the past, but the, the money, you know, the, the resources, the, the effort it takes to make a whole show like this go for so long is is really baffling. I, I just think people had more patience, man.

Like I, I, I just, I just think people had more patience and thought like I, I don't know about the budget. I I have a feeling Mark Wahlberg put a lot of his own money into this shit too. Yeah, but even even that, I mean just a song like you know, if you tried licensing songs or whatever you're doing. But it wasn't hard back then. It wasn't as hard back then to license songs, I don't think. Especially for HBO, Probably, yeah.

Sopranos at the end of all these shows, they all have like fucking like Tina Turner and like all these like like massive songs. Like I think now it's weird. You can like get any song on a streaming service, but you cannot play it anywhere but where back then you like they were pissed off about all the downloading services back then, but you could like play it in public because you could use it.

They had a airplay. I know with radio, that's how like radio gets away with everything is like there's a a public airplay thing that happens. And I'm sure that's what was, I'm sure they're paying money, of course, for these songs. But yeah, they played Monkey Man by Rolling Stones. There's massive in entourage. Like it's like what? Like that's that. It's like the Scorsese was using that for like departed, right?

Yeah, yeah. I mean, music licensing in DC, maybe you can attest this is one of the more confusing aspects of working on a movie because you have to jump through, like, sometimes a few different people when it comes to wanting to get a song and be able to use it and make sure it's all clear for, you know, you want to theatrically screen it, you want to stream it, whatever. With HBO, obviously, they're Warner Brothers, the Warner Brother Archive of Music.

Like, they have their own label. I'm sure that they just have all these songs at their disposal, you know, so that's that's probably a big element of it. And as far as you know what what you said now, you know, music licensing is kind of in an interesting place because there are these services where you don't have to like go directly to anybody. And it's like you want to clear this track for your YouTube

release. You can do it for 30 bucks or 80 bucks or whatever it might be, but then it stays on YouTube. You know, it's like you're good for YouTube. You have the best, most banging Entourage style soundtrack for YouTube. This is going to be super autistic and no one cares about this, but which song was that for? Because that's not the

experience I've had at all. Well, I was trying to get a song from David Johansen called New York Doll, the Mass State Lottery that he did not remember doing. He just died, didn't he? Yes, he did so his band was the New York Dolls, but he did this song called New York Doll as himself and it was featured on the soundtrack. Not even I don't even think it was actually on the soundtrack to Fear City. It was in some of the trailers to Fear City. This able for our movie, which I

believe Warner Brothers put out. It was kind of a flop, but it was like the one time he worked in the industry, you know, and in in like a bigger capacity. And I love this. I thought like, the song is terrific. And I had to go through him and then I had to go through Joe D'elia, who wrote the song and actually had the rights to the song. And it was this complicated process where it just didn't didn't wind up resolving itself. I was like, I can't use the song, you know?

No, I, I 'cause I assume it's different if you actually get in touch with the artist. What I've done so far is that every time I talk to the artist, then it's pretty easy. We can get all that stuff done. Or if the person who owns the rights at the label is very nice and yeah, willing to work with, you know, like our type of budgets. But man, the the most odd people. And I know, Jay, you have the Mocha DOMA story. That's a classic. I have a few as well.

The most, the oddest bands sometimes are asking from for crazy stuff for crazy amounts of money, whereas more famous ones will just be chill and and help you out and and, you know, work something out, even if it doesn't work, at least you have their information for later on. But yeah, I I one that surprised me as well, especially in the circles that were, were not in. But you know, like around it's it, it was it was nuts.

It was it was crazy just how much a smaller artist is asking for for money for for festival like it. Helps if there's not a lot, especially if you want rock though. There's just not that many new rock bands. That's what sucks. Like it's like you think like that's the problem is that you have to. I'm talking rock though. Like dude, just regular old rock. I I understand, but but we you're going to see an uptick in the Orwell's features in independent cinema for at least

10 years. Ben because Mario's I don't want to put this out there because there's already some pretty bad stuff being made. Well, you know, but but I'm telling you, like, he's, he's too generous with that catalog, I think. Oh yeah. Well, it's excellent. I mean, fucking it's excellent music at least. Yeah, but no, you're right. Like it's just like when it's like, damn, I'd really love like a rock band. You're like, OK, 1977, let me look for this. It's like nobody's doing that

right now. Whereas, you know, fucking during entourage, you'll be cold, hard bitch. And then it's on a lip. Now it's. On yeah, it was. You had the new Jet song that you could use. It was also featured in the iPhone commercial or whatever. Like it was just, it was such a, it was such a maximalist time. And I mean, you think if there's lawyers legal all this stuff now, there was that back then, but which felt like it was a lot, but there's much less back

then. I think I just, I don't know, I think there was a lot of favors that were done back. Yeah, well, that's the thing. It's I'm telling you, it's two different games basically. Like no one cares about this, but you get to the personal sort of. We only have to deal with the paperwork. When you talk to the artist, that's one thing. And then you get as the like, oh, hello, big corporation, I'm this small guy. I was not going to pay you as much as fucking Arby's, you know?

But this is real art. And then you have to. Ever want to take a? If you ever want to take a chance on a kid's dream, you'll let me use Arctic Monkey Song. You know what I don't know? If you ever want to watch some slow cinema and you think that. Billy Walls. Expand your horizons a bit. Yeah, so funny, yeah, but. Oh my gosh, shout. Let's get back to season 3 guys, because I love season 3, Love season 3 a lot.

It's it's really is when I I was, I found the show to be entertaining and fun and I was excited to talk about but like, yeah, man, these you know, the whole my gosh, what's the other? What's the one I love? I love the I love the Vegas episode a lot. I like, I like a lot of their gimmicky episodes, like when they take the show elsewhere. I actually like, I think it works more than it than most shows. I think they're able and again, you're you, you just love the friend group.

So it doesn't matter the venue. In fact, the venue can spice things up a little bit. But my guy Bob Ryan, can we talk about my guy Bob Ryan? The fucking old, old school, old guard guy that has, is he writing the Ramones movie? Is that what he's? Doing, yeah. Yeah, Oh, I love him. Yeah, I love him when they try to, when they try to stiff him out of the meeting and try to ice him out of the meeting and he just shows up in the shows up in the old car and stuff. I I absolutely loved him.

He he, I thought he was going to be a very annoying character. But again, they're so good at like not overloading you with people and just leaning on the friend group in here. I think that I think that's the show could have been bad so many times. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But it just, it's, that's a different thing.

But just about that specifically, there's a very sad thing that happens when 20th century figures don't die around 2005 to 2010. Like people from that era in 2016 or whatever are so sad and so depressed and so incapable of like, getting with the times, not in the political sense, but just in the way anything works, that they just become sad. And people are just like, oh, you produce Dog Day Afternoon. That's so cute. Yeah. I love that movie. You know that that sort of

attitude where you're almost. You know what? And guess what? I think that's impressive. And guess who's excited about Bob Ryan? E me so. That's funny about. That like, that's why I found really funny. I'm like, I love Bob Ryan. He's so fucking cool, man. And he's the only guy who's like, Nah, man, yeah, I think it was. Was it Dog Day afternoon? Was that the movie? I I'm I'm assuming, yeah, just it. Was one, it was something big,

like a massive 70s classic. I I remember it was something like that. And he had all these like other stories like me and Bob have we bare knuckle box like you got all these like all those like stories that you're like, I don't know if that's true or not, but whatever you have, you have the lack of fact checking of that time and the legend of the time. I I kind of like that.

But yeah, again, it's funny because it's obviously he's a dinosaur and but it's, but it's, you know, Vinny has his passion projects and Vinny becomes a little bit, he, he doesn't act this way, but he becomes way more particular, I think during around this night because he wants Medellin. He never gives up on Medellin, though. He probably should have, but he but he never gives up on Medellin and he and he's really he's broke.

Yeah. So the the season starts off with Aquaman, and then it does extremely fantastically well. But then for some reason that sort of gets to his head and he doesn't understand. It's just you're as good as your last hit. That's it. You don't get to ride on that forever. It's not writing. You know, it's not. It's not. It's not like authors. Authors do this. Which. Yeah. Well, yeah, and they shouldn't. That's the thing. They also shouldn't.

I, I get what you mean. It's definitely worse in in film, but like they also shouldn't. It's like, dude, keep writing books like and like try to write a hit and, and have your like have your folder. I, I, I know it probably doesn't work this way because I don't really do stuff like this, but you, you have your passion stuff like, OK, this is my long form thing. This is the baby. This is the thing I'm going to come to. I'm going to take a month off

and work at certain times. But like, you have your hits. And they keep telling Vinny this like, dude, do this bullshit fucking movie you're going to make. And Ari's right, That's The thing is like, Ari's right most of the movie, right? If you're talking from a practical sense, or I'm sorry, most of the show from the practical sense. He's like, I'm gonna make you rich if you listen to me for the most part.

Because the the truth is behind Entourage, OK, And this is what a lot of people deconstruct the show as this Oh, it's a postmodern commentary. But Vinny Chase is actually bad. You know, he sucks. He's a movie star, not a peak actor. That's that's shown in the show when Matt Damon asked him to do a read for an advertisement. Ahead of where I am. So maybe, maybe he. Yeah, but I posted the link in the chat, Sir. You might you might have watched. It. Why would I?

Why would I? Because I sent it as a hot felt gesture to my friend. That's, I know, I love that you did it. I just, I'll watch it afterwards after I watch the episode. Anyways, but you know what I'm saying, like he's not supposed to be a good actor. He's just like a guy that does well in in movies and and that's the fundamental truth. So someone like that wanting to do their passion projects is like, you know, Adrian Brody doing art. It's like whatever Big Sean Penn

directing movies. It sucks, you know, it really sucks, but that, that. 'D be one of you never going to be a De Niro of exactly exactly. We know this right, because that's funny. We don't really ever like for the most part, we don't really see him act. I mean not that that would change anything but like you don't realize he always is I I by the way, I do love. We forgot when they recolor queen.

I would have been with you. The time that E and Billy Walsh see eye to eye is when they do the color grading or what the I don't know what the term, sorry, but when they make Queens Blvd. into like color with the you see the blue and they make his eyes blue and stuff. And then E, who's been frustrated with Billy Walsh to the core just goes now you're fucking right, dude, Like we got to take and I love that I was such a dudes rock moment because it's like it was because I guess

it would have made it good. I mean in terms of money, like in terms of money, it might have worked. I personally don't think it would have, but you get the idea that that would have been a better move for it to make money. But it's like, dude, this is like kind of indie cinema, kind of it's going to be loved 10 years from now more than it is now. It's like going to be one of these things.

So that's interesting. I never really thought of that with Vinny Chase, where you're like, this guy is delusional, but I don't. But I don't know that he believes in himself to that degree though in terms of that he's a De Niro, that he's a Pacino. Like, I think he just, I think he kind of doesn't care that much. No, he seems like somebody who's more in love with the culture of being famous and being an actor than somebody who actually wants to invest in learning how to

better that. He's just, you know, and I feel like that really comes across most plainly and most 2 dimensionally in the first season where he's and a little bit of like early season 2 where he's just kind of rotating these different women around. He's playing it like MC Hammer style by buying these houses he can't afford, getting cars he can't afford. You know, that's really what

that's about. And you kind of get the idea, Tad, when they're talking to his father over the phone that Kevin Dillon basically went down the same path, but to a much lesser degree of, OK, I'm going to get some money, I'm going to blow all the money. And that's why he's auditioning for CBS procedurals, you know? True.

That's good point. Yeah. Because, I mean, everything seems to be based on something that's happened or at least a rumor that somebody's heard or, or, or kind of a an idea of somebody's like somebody, somebody's assessment of what happened in a certain script. Because you hear about all these scripts, all that scripts been laying around forever. Oh, that this is oh, Medellin, that's still a thing. You know, like there's all these like little Hollywood inside things.

So you get the idea that most of this stuff has happened, but I didn't even think about it with Kevin Dillon. That's totally true because he was he wasn't Viking quite. I don't think that's that's not what he he's doing something different. But you're saying Vinny could kind of be doing a little Kevin Dillon? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, the the Johnny drama squandering potential, or at least like financial potential and having to mooch off of your brother as a result of that, you

know? So should you do, should you do the bullshit? I'm asking either you guys personally like should you, if you, if you guys, I know you guys right now it's it, you guys are very much in control of what you do. And, and, but I know I, I have a feeling both of you guys want to like, hey, here's here's a script I'm sending to you. You know, here's a script. I say this so and so's got scripts. Yeah, so and so's got a script for you. And you can see one that's like, OK, this is bullshit.

It might be entertaining bullshit, but like you should do it right? Like would you got to make if you if you think it's a hit? You want to start with that one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I think first of all, I really like the hyping up. I really appreciate it. But it's not like I'm getting my hyping up because my peel box is not filled with top writers. You're not famous. Yeah, it's all hypothetical. I know that's true.

I don't know but. What I'm saying is like that's that's not even something that really happens that much anymore. I think it's just such a different landscape. I feel like it. Doesn't work then on a mainstream level like what I mean is if you guys were you guys put out a couple features right that I'm that I could see at AMC 14 or whatever over here by and I was like, I could see these things right And then your next move. How do the scripts get up get to

you? I I actually don't know this. But if you if you look at people, let's say one generation older that are slowly starting to make it into a more mainstream room, we think about Eugene Kotyrenko, we think about Sean Baker at a huge scale. You see these people who they never got that push. It's not like someone's doing them a favor whatsoever. It's you make a movie and then you make them more and then everything you do, you do

yourself. But every time you just take a step one step further and eventually we don't know what the future holds, but eventually they were able to make their way up that way. It wasn't like someone saw red rock and it was like, you know what, let's give him a budget. Like it was still the same sort of struggle every time. And of course, the scale that he's working at is massive compared to like me. I can't speak for Jay, but like, for me, like I, I spend a fraction of that money at the

same time. It's like the the attitudes, the same, the attitudes like I'm not going to wait for anything. I'm just going to make them, you know, and there there is a way to live. It's not just about being poor and making like, incomprehensible movies for the rest of your life. You really are trying to make something better every time, but there's nothing you're waiting for. It's just like whatever success comes with it, whenever you can get from it, is is is just that.

You're. Saying you don't have the opportunity to do the bullshit. Well, that's the thing. Yeah, it's I, I can say I'm, I'm very, you know, like, Oh no, I would never do that. But like no ones going to come to me with an an Adidas ad. You know that's not how we. Establish you do Doctor Strange 3. This is a guarantee I. Had such a fantasy when I watched season 4 of Entourage. I I've talked to you guys in the

chat. I would love to have been like, hey, man, I got fucking, you know, how much is a movie cost? I got $250 million and I want this done. And I give it, I give it to DC, right? That's what I would do. I would give it to DC and everyone's like, why are you picking that guy? I'm like, no, I I fucking believe in this kid, dude.

I fucking believe in this kid. And I'm like just, I'm just some like guy who just got lucky, you know, with his dumb podcast and it got huge or something like I I just get, but I want to dump my I want to save movies. That's why that's why I'm picturing this. I'm creating a guy and I I give DCA bunch of money. I was going to say. I I hope I get like a fraction at least of what you're planning for DC. I don't think you're going to like the second-half of this story.

This is why I'm accepting you of it. So and then I just hound him to death about it, you know, and I'm just like, it's got to be this way. But I'm like kind of nice guy about it. And I'll be like, let's see what you got. Let's see what you're see what you're working on. Just a cut. Let me see that first cut.

No, dude. And then you get the classic Billy Walsh driving away on the motorcycle with the fucking thing around his neck and and he's like, he's skating away from me and running away from me. I would love that. I say it's a fun fan. That's why I wouldn't do it to you. Low risk. I don't think would be very funny if I did that to you. It would be way funny if I did into DC because he would be like you can't watch the first cut of Doctor Strange 3. But yeah, it's such an old

system like this doesn't happen. I do. Rich people even like movies anymore. Is that real? I, I, I actually don't know. I'm asking all these genuinely. I have no idea how movies were and I'm not even yeah. Yeah, I'm not like contradicting or whatever. I just feel like, you know, in the 70s you're like an oil magnet. Yeah. And, and, and it's like, yeah, let's let's do some pictures, you know, let's watch the the movies. But now it does not seem like

that's the case. Probably would do much better as an artist, you know, as like a installation piece type guy where it's like, Oh yes, we have this, this, this, this, you know, young talent from the, the, the streets of Ethiopia and, and, and that's, that's where the money is now more than movies. I feel like movies are just like

a different thing, man. No one, no one cares about them as they used to. At the same time, there's a very big resurgence of people treating films seriously where it's like young people being like, you know, so, so it's, it's, it's different. I, I, I, I don't know, I can't speak to it, but I don't really care. That's that's the main point. Not that I'm like trying to brush their brushes away, but regardless of what the audience is like, I'm doing this is that's sort of the way it is.

You just pointed out something kind of interesting that I feel like. OK, I've already brought up the idea of an Entourage resurgence a couple of times. I do feel like if they brought this show back now, it would be tailored to a different audience because of that exact reason is we were talking about the nerd culture before. Well, nerd culture has been replaced by film culture, so it's the letterbox. Hey, you know, I buy. I wear the Criterion T-shirts. You know, I actually love

vinegar syndrome most. Though if any in the Criterion Closet would be an episode. Absolutely. Yeah, it. Would. The idea of it's good, but I bet it would suck. You would get like the Paul Schrader jokes and in references and Safdie Brothers style editor. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it would be like the version

of the studio, but kind of real. I get like the New York version of that, which is something I would, I would, I would watch it, but I wouldn't like it as much, you know, as you know, and the system that's existing during Entourage is very like, if you make your independent film, you make your like, I'll say Brothers McMullen is one from the 90s, right? That got that director. That was the Ed Burns.

Ed Burns gets into the system because 20th Century Fox, their indie film division, puts his movie out, and then suddenly they're like, all right, well, this kid has potential. He'll work for cheap. Let's give him all the scripts we've purchased over the last year. Take your pick. We have this actor who's interested in this one, this one over here.

Da, da, da, da, da. You know, there's all these internal politics that do exist, but it's just it's receded so much more and it's not as readily available to people who are on the outside. Like Sean Baker is probably being offered Warner Brothers movies or something now, you

know. So I, I think the big thing here is if you do get that opportunity to take on a blockbuster, if you're operating on my level or D CS level or anybody who's working with like, frankly, just like less than $100,000 on, on your project, I think you have to take it. I mean, obviously not painting broad strokes here. There could be stipulations to that. If someone's going to be a big pain in the ass, it might not be worth it. Might make you want to quit

filmmaking. Like me chasing him down of Doctor Strange Three. Yeah, absolutely. But if you can, if you can deal with that and you can get through it, you know, you can come out better for it if you keep your ethos intact. But a lot of these guys do not. And they go, wow, I really love living in a big house in this gated off area. And I want to do like three more of these and maybe I'll then I'll get back to my, my actual filming. And then they never do.

So you, you see all these directors from like the early 10s of filmmaker 20 tens of filmmaking who made like one really interesting or one really stylized feature. They got sucked up into Disney and Warner Brothers. They do commercial films. And now it's just nothing but that. So I, I, I personally believe that you got you the, the most important thing to avoid as somebody who makes things is stagnation and getting caught in

the same loop, the same spiral. You're doing the same thing over and over and not yielding any new results. You have to shake up your environment every so often, just in some way or another. And something like that does a terrific job of doing that. So I would probably be in for Crazy Rich Asians too. Nice. But nothing but that. I have a good idea for Entourage reboot just one as a one off, like kind of the one off episode. It wouldn't sincerely could not

make a show about this. But Johnny Drama's back, right? He's getting older. Obviously. I don't know how old Kevin Dillon is now, but I I guess he's close to 60 years old right right now. I would guess so. He gets a job with Ryan Coogler, A new Ryan Coogler movie man. I had to. Sorry, sorry. I had to bring up Ryan Cooler somehow. I'm very happy you did. Let's so so yeah, I know. Trust me, I I saw it too. The I saw sinners, but. You weren't a fan. I fucking hated that. One.

Yeah, me too. But anyways. Anyways, but let's say he does another like racism period piece or something, Brian Cougar, but he casts Johnny Drama and Johnny Drama's like an old racist guy at this point in the movie. But he's looking for work. And then what Johnny Drama does is his whole thing is he's a polished actor and he's been there before. His stories are the same as Vinny Chase's stories. It's all the same. He does all these false equivalencies.

So he goes into so a good episode would be him putting the N word into the script like saying it like he's like, well, that's what my character would do. And that would be a good episode of Entourage in the current day. Because you, when I watched Sinners, I'm like, damn, these guys are not racist enough. Yeah, he could be a racist cop in Fruitvale Station 2. Fruitvale Station 2. Yeah, Yeah. I don't think there was. Something that happened in 2020 that Ryan Coogler could make a

film about. I'm not going to say what, but you know. Fauci dude, no. That's Clint Eastwood. That would be Clint. Eastwood. 'S final movie will be Fauci the movie Denzel Washington. Is Fauci. Yeah, dude, that's gonna be so sad. I I actually I want to see this is nothing to do with I I got confused by your example and I'm sort of lost here, but I I want to. What are you lost on? I'll be happy to explain it to you.

I've thought about this a lot. So Ryan Coogler Bugler is making a new movie, and he's going to. Cast in Entourage. In in Entourage. Sure, sure, sure. And he's going to cast Johnny Drama. As as like a racist bar owner or something that's like a period piece or. Something. It's a. Short thing, so drama like probably doesn't even have a line or anything, but he's like, he's like I'm so into character. He like calls Michael B Jordan the N word or something. Oh, he doesn't as.

He's like, this is what my character would do and it goes like viral for him being like racist or something. I think it'd be really funny if he's like totally in his character, even though he's like, not that type of guy. Like I think it would be a fun. It would be a fun experiment or something. I don't know. I don't think you can base a season off of that, but it would be a fun one off Entourage. Reboot. What is this like a deconstruction of what it means

to be an? Actor, you know what this is? This feels like a plot point that doesn't come up like that does come up on the show, but we never see. It's just like we're picking up an Entourage now and Johnny Drama has been cancelled and This is why. Yes, yeah, yeah. Like a even a flashback in a situation or something. Like Vox Lux Vox Lux has ruined this man's brand. You want he wants to do this again. It's the same thing. Natalie Portman did some weird stuff I just bought.

Tickets to the in person Q&A with Brady Corbay today for Vox Lux So. That's six let. Me sneak in. Let me sneak in with you. I got some questions. Yeah. Oh. Glenn. Glenn, actually. How'd you gain so much weight, Brady? That's going to be my question. I mean, my thing is, you should be if you're getting fat, you should be making better movies. Yeah, fair enough. Wait a second. Didn't. OK, this is crazy. This might be completely false.

Wasn't the next movie that Brady Corbett was doing supposed to be like a black Asian Western? Is it? Is it? Isn't that exactly? The Rush Hour 4. Hapa goes West or Shanghai? Shanghai Hapa Knights or something? Fantastic bits fellas, but that's real. I'm pretty sure that he's doing a black western Chinese. Western. Is this a bit? I've no, no, no. No, no. You guys like I follow what Brady Corbett next movie is? The Sinners prequel. Yeah, dude, haters are secretly

fans. That's what I learned. The biggest? So you're a fan of Brady Corbett? You love him, all right. Got it. No. But Brady? Corbett next movie guys. This is important because if he that would be a good thing for Entourage. The new season, Brady Corbett is making sinners and at the same time Ryan Cooler is making sinners. And you have the Dueling Studios. Bob Ryan wrote the script in 1977, and it's just been sitting around. Yeah. And so who do you give the

release to? It's like a fail safe and Doctor Strangelove situation where both the movies are based on the same book but you don't know which one to release. Of course you got The Prestige. You would you would go with Coogler. He's got the prestige, but then got Corbett. Corbett hires Vinnie Chase Coogler hires Johnny Drama. And they haven't spoken, They haven't spoken for a while, 'cause they both been so busy, yeah. I think we're writing everyone. Everyone proves my. Idea.

But look at what it gives fucking all this inspiration for No, no, no. But oh, great bit Glenn. That was so fucking funny. Yeah, guess what? Guess who comes up with an episode of Entourage? Yeah. No, no, no, no, no. It was. First of all, I'm Eric. Murphy. I'm fucking Eric Murphy. Thankless job. Go home to Sloane, have a couple of hours. Yeah. What's your best E impression? You know, go. Fuck yourself, dude. This real voice now is insane.

Like I, I, yeah, yeah. He'll be like Adrian, you know, I mean, we was on set and and I was like, Adrian, we'll come out of his trailer. By the way, I love the trailer scene, by the way, where Johnny Drama's jacking off in the fucking trailer with Ed. The Ed Burns movie is a is a classic, by the way, I forgot to bring that up. But anyways, yeah, I Eric, I can't do an Eric Murphy impression. I and all these guys are tough to do impressions of. They're kind of tough.

They're not as cartoonish as you think when you try to do it like they don't stand out. It's more of a facial expression thing, which I I also can't do. But the Kevin Dillon you'd have to do like the facial expression, you know, and all and all that, but. Maybe it's because I can't do them, but impressions suck. Usually like 95% of the time is like, yeah, I mean the shittiest thing you can do. I think you have to have it in your mind that you're not

perfect at like that. Like I think the people that pretend that they do like, like you see the YouTube thumbnails like vocal instructor nails Mississippi accent and like, and she's like I said, window instead of window or you know, it's like that's like those are huge on YouTube. And but when people just like it's still there, it's like when you South Park style it where it's like you can tell it's Trey Park. You can tell it's it's Matt Stone, but they're just doing a voice.

I think those are better I. Don't know. Yeah. I mean, if you look at SNL, the key to a successful impression on that show is just making a cartoonish, not really anything like the real person version of that. Yeah, yeah, well, it's like and and then the my favorite cop out and I've I've said it before on the show, but it is a cop out because you think about all the times this is just not true is where they say, well, to impersonate somebody you have to like them.

I'm like, dude, you used to impression of my boss. Dude, I fucking hate that guy and I nail it. It's fucking so good. It's. Basically bullying, right? If you're doing an impression of someone, it's like. It's not respect, you're just like. Yeah. Yeah, I think I, I think when you do it like long form, like like, you know, 'cause you the, the 2 ones you think about is Alec Baldwin versus Shane Gillis, Trump, right? Those are the 2 ones where like Shane Gillis is a little more

apologetically. I don't think he's a Trump guy, but I think he's like, not as not not like Alec Baldwin, right? Like I I don't where Alec Baldwin's sucks in my opinion, like of Donald Trump, like I don't think it's very good at all. Like I've never understood. I I was sent so many clips by family members of epic Alec Baldwin impressions. I thought they were. Terrible.

You know the guy they have on now on SNL used to do like a terrific Trump impression when it was audio only now that they have him performing and he's got to wear that like turtle face that looks nothing like Trump. He he blows now at. Trump, and you probably just shouldn't. Like, impersonating Trump nowadays is just like kind of tough to like, find something new that's really exciting about that. And, you know, like, it's just, I feel like that day passed in terms of that.

But Season 4, Season 4, will we wrap up guys? Season 4? Yeah, What is season 3? Any thoughts? You love it. I would love it. It's funny though, because it's like, it's funny because it's just like, it's just like background noise to me a lot of times. And I realized how like I watched them and then I'm seeing these episode tiles. I'm like, what is that? But I watched it. Sorry Ari. Vince goes shopping for a new agent with the gang. Ari tries to stop Vince from getting that new agent.

I don't remember this. One, I like the I like the five towns billboard, but that was pretty good Where where where the five that where he's constantly sitting in the background and seeing if people are looking at the Billboard. I I like I like the idea of like a actor who's actually way more popular than Johnny Drama like that was doing that and that's

in the show. You know, who's like actually like Kevin Bacon or something, You know, like somebody who's like a little bit more of a household name doing that and then they're putting that in as a Johnny drama. But I thought that was pretty good. Nick Rubenstein. That's the We didn't bring up Nick. I do like Nick Rubenstein a lot. That's Adam Goldberg's character, right?

Yeah, and the, the Yom Kippur episode's pretty damn good too, where they're trying to broker a deal on Yom Kippur, but they the, the more, the, the more higher up they need to go is like the more Orthodox the Jewish man. So he's like, absolutely not talking today. Like that was that was pretty good. I don't know anything about Yom Kippur, but I get the idea. You can't use a phone. So that's that's the only thing

I know. As far as season 4, I got to say they really made Adrian Greener look like the lounge singer. That would be Andy Kaufman's double. What was his name? Do you guys know what I'm talking about? How do you explain Pablo Escobar? Yeah. OK, I went to the fat suit or not that stupid, but yeah, yeah, yeah. That's, that's funny. Sofia Vergara is pretty funny because it is funny to see a guy like Billy Walsh squander all his integrity over pussy.

That was pretty cool. That he does and embarrass as well, which is so funny. That's a good one. Yeah, the. Same principle, yeah. That's true. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. He does because that's E right. He kind of. No, what I mean is like, he's really Walsh also was like, I've seen all the scary movies. Yeah, I'm a cinephile. I've seen everything 20 times or whatever. He says that. That's pretty good. Yeah. And the, the, yeah, the Anna Faris.

Well, I like the the part where Anna Faris is on set and her like boyfriend. I don't know if he's like the director, like ADP or something. I couldn't, I couldn't remember what it was. But I like when he's date when he dates a New Girl, all all her boyfriends looked like versions of him like cuz Seth Green was the Sloan's ex-boyfriend and they're all just these like short red headed guys. I like that. I like that idea cuz I and they get intimidated cuz they he looks like them too.

Which I that's AI thought that was pretty funny. Seth. How much money does Seth Green have by the way? He has a shit ton of money, huh? Well, of course, if you if you listen to Isaac Cappy, he's got a basement full of child slaves, so enough money to afford that and. Who is who is Seth Green? I mean that not even ironically. I know him from the show but I have no idea what he does outside of. Entrepreneur. Family Guy, Adult Swim. He had that Robot Chicken. Yeah.

Austin Powers. He's probably best known for producing a bunch of animated series now, but back in the day, it was Austin Powers, it was Buffy. He was in it, the original TV movie. That's right. Yeah, He played Richie in that. So that's right. That's funny. He's got a lot he's got. He's a very eclectic guy. Yeah, but I just mean all that adult. I wonder how much that Adult Swim money, like actually accumulates into. I'm sure it's a shit ton. Yeah, yeah. I don't know because I know

Robot Chicken was huge like. Man, that's a show I've never seen, but all the kids in school loved it. Yeah, it was huge. I, I, I'm Adult Swim. I don't, I didn't really watch a lot of Adult Swim, but I didn't watch a lot of TV period. I, I didn't see Entourage around that time. I was just like not watching TV. So that it was yeah, I like I like the the premiere or I guess the first episode of season 4 when they do it like you said, Tropic Thunder style. I think low res is.

What you Yeah, it is so Tropic Thunder before Tropic Thunder. Is that was that before Tropic Thunder? I believe so. Tropic Thunder is 2008. Yeah, so you get that. And it's a documentary Hearts of Darkness style vibe to it, where Billy Walsh is holding this witch hunt to find out who's fucking Sofia Vergara. He thinks it's that one fat Colombian guy. I love that. Part. He's like a gaffer, yeah. Oh, God, Billy's great, man. Yeah, that's that. That one's good.

And yeah, what was it? And then Johnny Dramas got his Five Towns hat on. He's like, I can't contractually can't be in this movie. That's why I wasn't offered a part because I'm in. I have a hit series on NBC, the The 55 Towns. Yeah. I always want to call it Four Brothers, but that's a actual Mark Wahlberg movie. But yeah, that was that was good. Any other thoughts on Season 4 guys? I mean dude, Cam come on. No can do within the Cam kids. Those are the.

Two Well, you're the I you're the one that has to tell me about Cam Mr. I've just went there. No, I've never been to Cam DC spill. Not just have I been, I was there in an official manner. Don't just I'm not a tourist, OK? I was. I was. There you are you suffering from imposter syndrome right now Because nobody said you were. Actually, I'm very important there. Yeah, Everybody near me. I saw Emily Ratajowski there that that was an Entourage reference. Oh, I thought you did.

I was like. Oh no, I, I, I did see her. I did see her, but I just, I know where her from entourage as well. All these people, lots of these celebrities, I don't know from outside. I'm not like. I know her from naked pictures on Twitter. Robin Thicke. You know Robin Thicke. Classic Robin Thicke. It's been a while since he's been famous, right? Yeah, she was. She was in he. Was he? Was not allowed to be famous. Yeah, he was not allowed to be famous after a certain point,

right? Gone too soon man, you know. There was like a sex counselor at my school. Did you ever have those? Was it Robin Thicke? No Robin Thicke related, but did did you guys have that like sex counseling? It's. Not no, not really. I mean, we had like, what was it was called family life instead of they they took sex education out because I think liberal California. But around that time they they called it family life, but it was still like sex, you know, I'm still talking about the same

old thing. But yeah, we didn't have a sex counselor. I don't know what that what it? What is that? I don't know what they're called. Yeah, it was, it was in French. So I'm doing rough. Does he coach? Does he coach? It was tough about like how to put a condom on a banana and stuff like that. Was this just some guy that invited you in a little portable by yourself? Yeah. I got a private. Course and everything it was

fun. I'm still you're you were the best one at the talk earlier, so we just wanted the. That's a great movie, by the way, Mysterious Skin is really terrific. I've. Never seen it. I've never seen it. That's Mama Mia. But anyways, about that the only thing, the only reason why I bring this up is that basically she turned this into like it's supposed to be sex cows, whatever sex education and she turned it into a, a, a covert

political sort of jihad. And and basically she was just like the most vile, sexist thing I've ever seen in my entire life. Is that song by Robin Thicke Blurred Lines? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because it blurs the line of consent and it's such a disgusting song, but I won't get too far into it. And then she stopped herself. So that's that's what I remember of. Of yeah, Blurred Lines was like the original TDs for that era, you know?

Right. I forgot all of that because and then like there was like a woke thing about it where he was stealing Marvin Gaye's song. So it was like the whole white guy stealing a black guy's because it's a. Hard seeing his dad. His dad was doing that. His own pain. Growing pains the goat, dude. Yeah. Heck yeah. You kidding me? He was Canadian, right? Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah. I forgot about that. Yeah. RIP. He loved Alan Thicke, man. Yeah, it was.

Yeah, it was that that. But yeah, that was. Who was on Growing Pains? DiCaprio. DiCaprio was part of the pussy Posse with Kevin Connolly, Eve from Entourage. Look at. It's all. Yeah, that is funny that that Kevin Connolly was like they they talk about him like because he's with like Wahlberg and DiCaprio and stuff and it it's like, was he the guy going the most ham, you think? Because, like, he was not the biggest star. I don't think so. I mean, have you guys seen Don's

Plum? No, there. Don's Plum is horrible. It's a horrible movie, but there's a very interesting documentary the New York Post released on the making of it and how Tobey Maguire's like Rageaholic, who got these guys blacklisted and turned DiCaprio on them. It feels very Entourage, I would say, you know, it's almost mandatory viewing for this type of thing to get like the greater context of what else is going on here. Yeah, yeah. Interesting. But can't. I'm sorry, can't. Yeah, I can't.

You went to can. So obviously Entourage Medellin, they're trying to sell Medellin before anybody's seen it, But then they're like, no, let's screen it. They can't. They keep basically, they keep not knowing when to when to hold them right? Like they, they, they really it's it ends up being a bad movie because that isn't the joke. I don't know anything about can't. Isn't the joke that everything gets a standing ovation? Yes. So that's.

That's and they don't get, they don't get that at all in Entourage. You can usually it's like by Cannes is very funny in the way that this is very childish behavior. Like it's the most prestigious festival in the world, but you'll have films like Only God Forgives where people just walk out. Half the room walks out. The rest are standing ovationing, you know, ovating, standing, but the rest of like half the room leaves. And these are critics and top

industry people. So it's very interesting how they they're babies, basically the goo Gaga babies. And even when I was there, people were were laughing, looking at weird spots for the premiere of the movie. I was there for there. There's like a guy just texting in the theater at Cannes at the world premiere of this movie that by by the way, I don't know what it's like to be a Cam for a bad movie because the one that I was there for won the Palm. But it's all right. Don't let you know.

We'll we'll talk about it later. But even for that, for that exact thing, just to show you how much of A childish baby game it is. Like it's just yeah, obviously a ton of cool people, the best in the world, etcetera, etcetera. And I really respect it. But you'll have just the oddest contrast there. You know, like the huge theater, everybody's dressed up, all the millions of billions of EUR, and then you got a guy texting at the world premiere.

It's it's nuts. Well, famously, Roger Ebert started singing I'm singing in the rain during the Brown Bunny, right? So even a man of that caliber. Really. Yeah. Who's something in the water? Yeah. During which part? Good question. You know, I was getting Billy Walsh Vincent Gallo vibes when he was trying to do the gay blowjob. From he did remind that he did remind me of Vincent Gallo a lot

actually. Yeah, yeah, that was that was definitely I could see him being like, I could see him MAGA posting hard like Billy Walsh now, you know, like as like a transgressive. Yes, this is all part of the new entourage. By the way, Billy Walsh, he's back. He is MAGA. Defends Kevin Dillon who made a mistake saying the N word on sinners, the sinners that might not get released. Not the Corbett one. Yeah, yes, and so but then.

But Billy Walsh hears about it and is reflexively defending it, therefore leaking parts of the Yeah. Yeah, Billy Walsh is very like dime Square Peter Thiel funded. He hangs out with like 24 year old girls. Kevin Gillen is part of like the old guard conservative in his. New movie? Yeah, I love it. I love it. Absolutely.

I you know what? I could actually see that being a storyline on a new Entourage because like you said, there would the lines would be blurred a little bit, like there would be a little bit of this Criterion closet and letter. Oh my gosh, My son Ari Golds son didn't put Vinny's new movie on his letterbox. Top ten this. Year like just bullshit like that. What do we have? I mean, that is kind of funny

actually, but. I suck, but I disagree, man, because like, it's, it's not going to happen because you don't have young writers, You don't have a lot of young. I don't. Think it's going to happen regardless but. It's going to happen in some way or the other because these guys can't stop themselves. They got to they got to chew that the the bones of the entourage, whatever the spoils of the entourage that's left away. It can it might be a podcast

where they read the scripts. You know, that might be our our fucking entourage comeback. But it is going to happen. And what's going to happen is that they're going to try to do the exact same things, maybe add like 2012 put like sort of commentaries on, but not in a racial way or but not in the gay way. Like that's sort of like.

And just like that, that is what that show is exactly is you can't you have these hiccups still in 2025 where they are doing that Because whoever's running HBO right now, their priorities are in the wrong place when it comes to making original programming. You wouldn't get an Oz. You wouldn't get any of these taxi cab confessions. You know, it's just sad state of affairs. What's currently on HBO? I think White Lotus is the one I know about White Lotus White. Lotus.

Hacks, which I have a guilty pleasure for hacks. I think that's Max. That's Max. Only it's not even on like the cable channel, like HBO I guess, which that's a newer thing. There's all the way. Yeah, I don't know what their big show. Oh, the Pedro Pascal Bella Ramsey show that fucking is like. Oh well, it's just the Bella Ramsey show now. Yeah, that's true.

Oh, I'll spoiler alert, I didn't know that, but I I'm not going to watch it. But yeah, I guess Pedro Pascal's not it's the one movie he's not in anymore. Is is that thing? So yeah, there's there's, there's, there's. Jay does not like him. He's very past lives coded, I think. Pedro, yeah. Yeah, well, yeah, he's in material, you know, So it's, I mean, literally, yeah. I mean, it's just a matter of he takes every single job. The oversaturation is completely real.

He doesn't ever offer like variety in his performance. He's not especially good looking. It's just why I mean I I don't understand why he gets every single role. Yeah, I mean, I, I don't know. I think I, I, I still, I don't think I've ever seen him other than Game of Thrones when he gets his eyes poked out, which I didn't know that. I didn't know that was him. I I didn't even know who that was. People. I learned that now that that was

him and. Unfortunately, we know that Pedro Pascal would be on new Entourage. He would be one of the first people they would give for a celebrity cameo. Is he on Ari? Ari would like botch a dinner where he would like not want to protect the dolls or something. And and and Ari would say something would slip up and then Pedro Pascal drops him as a client or something. I could see that. Yeah. I I. There's there's just so much on this guy, Pedro Pascal.

I I don't know where you you, did you like him anywhere there? Was he good in something? I I've never. Had anybody? I mean, really, I think The Unbearable Weight of Massive Talent is probably the one I enjoy, but everybody hated that movie. People did not like that one. That's. The meta movie with David Gordon Green. Yeah. Well, I got. I might check that out. But yeah, and. I'm not just dropping a movie name here. Really. Like what?

What was he so good in that he became the wunderkind? I think it's the The Last of Us. They love him and and what's the the Star Wars stuff? Disney Plus Star Wars. That's why everyone really loves him, man. The the what? Mandalorian. Mandalorian. Yeah, yeah, Mandalorian. I feel like Mandalorian was the turning point. That's what everybody. I think that's what like made him, because now he's in the new Fantastic Four where they're trying to make it look like a 60s thing.

So my, my theory here is Pedro Pascal came in right at the time when they were like, we're done casting white dudes. We're we're, we're very tired of white dudes. We don't, we don't like masculinity, but Pedro Pascal gives like enough of the masculinity, even though, you know, like, you observe this guy for more than a second. It's like, that ain't it? And he's not white technically, even though he's like clearly European jeans. And so he's the guy. He's been shoehorned as the guy.

We're going to have this guy. And I think that was why he was a go to. And he managed to become part of so many successful projects in the process, like The Mandalorian and Last of Us. Yeah. Last of Us, Game of Thrones, you know, there's enough. There's enough hits there. I mean, there's a lot of shit too. Like he was in Judd Apatow's The Bubble. That's one of the most unwatchable movies to ever be made. Drive away dolls. I thought it was a fun movie.

Gladiator 2 not a good movie though. Didn't didn't see it. I'm scared still as to watching that movie. Yeah, no thanks. I think that's it. Yeah, I will say about the can part of entourage. I they how they get there is awesome because a young Kanye. Yeah, back when Kanye West used to wear pink polo shirts, like that is a completely different time. That was like, this is like College Dropout era, maybe late Registration era. Sydney Pollack you didn't you forget because that that was

supposed to be the first ride. Sydney Pollack There was a weight issue, FAA, whatever thing was happening that where you couldn't get they, they it was a turtle or what some of the turtle was probably going to be the odd man out. Yeah. Or something, they couldn't fit them all on there to get them to camp. But then Kanye says fuck it like we're we're going to ball out and roll. Because he's flying a 747 or

something crazy. Yeah, I mean, that was when he was becoming a say how how skinny he looked too. Man, it was crazy. Like I just forget what he used to look like because he I don't know what he he, he just looks insane now. And I'm not even trying to hate on him or anything. I just, you look at him, you're like the his jowls and stuff, Like he's, he's going to become like an Orson Welles over some point. Like a black Orson Welles kind of like, just swollen great

fuck. Man, Wells, we're back. Ladies and gentlemen, we're back. Yeah. So much word play this episode. Oh wow, it's RC dude. It's what it's what happens. DDC was like, I'm not going to do any word play because. That's what Glenn. Likes, yeah, that's what Glenn likes. I would never do that. I I like, I like, I like the words. OK, but anyway. What was that Napoleon Dynamite ass moment that just happened to your? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. Great movie. Fuck, my gosh.

I haven't seen it. Yeah, well, you were one when it came. To picture I I might, yeah. I think it came out in 2004 or something. So yeah, that's. Anyways, probably probably not worth revisiting. It was just a. You know what's funny though? When that movie came out, it came out and it was released in my opinion like very small release and it it was one of the 1st movies that like the DVD release of it was made it massive because I saw it it came

out right before school started. So I saw it with my buddy and nobody was in the theater or anything. And we were talking about how funny this fucking movie was. We're like 1314 or whatever. And then and everyone at school is like, that looks gay. I don't would never watch that movie. It looks really stupid. Then it comes out on DVD and they're like, have you seen this movie? I'm like, you fucking bitch, dude, I just told you how good that movie was the whole time.

So that I always, I always thought that was that was and I, my aunt lived in Idaho and she would visit the house that they the the Napoleon Dynamite house. You could just like go into it has like that kind of lore. It was nuts, man. Good times. I, you know, were they? I don't know, but that was it was definitely a time. It was definitely a time. So then what's the? Point of this episode, are we are we coming to a big conclusion or? What's the what's the point of

the episode? Yeah, I feel like, I feel like we like Entourage. Is that a final review or something like? You're the one that has the most criticisms. Of it, hold on a second. This is this is only Part 1. It's like getting to the middle of the Brutalist and not. You're the one, Johnny Drama sucks, actually. Actually, I don't want to deconstruct this, but let me deconstruct it. Vinny Chase is actually evil. And I'm like.

This well, Vinny Chase sucks is an actor I think in the in the the realm of the show, and these people are pretty pretty vapid and and bad. No, they're. Not they're cool. I don't know if I'd say any of them. Everybody they bring in outside of the circle is worse than them, yeah. Yeah, yeah, but I mean, you're in hell. No, you're not. Who? Who's the worst of them, DC? The worst of the guys. Yeah, definitely just that power. Rank. You got a power rink?

Your entourage cast. Oh, man, a turtle's the worst for sure because he's got no juice. He's got no, no, really, He's a disgusting guy. He's disgusting me. He's got no creativity. Johnny Drama. Johnny Drama sort of is evil. I don't I don't like him. I don't like his face. I don't like his speech. Vinny Chase is is just bad, pure bad. Chaotic New Neutral, just normal guy, Neutral evil, whatever it is. Then after that, there's E. He's pretty evil that we have. Who else? Who else?

Here, you seem like you're a big believer in the idea of passivity being evil. Yeah, yeah, 100 per turtle first. 100 percent, 100% because at least people are chasing something, you know, if you, if you go and of course I understand the Daoist point of view, you know this sort of like, let it happen. Don't. Don't try to push your way into. Try. To earn, don't try to earn points on this show. I bringing up Taoism. I, you know, I got the TTC on my

desk right here. What the hell are you talking about? What? What? What? Stupid world is it where? Where Sigh has a control on the world? Religions. What what? What kind of evil world is it? Where Sigh he. Would tell you that there is no control of it, so you would you. You've assigned him that, Therefore you're not. Therefore you're, Therefore you're not the Dao. You're not the Dao of. Course I'm not the DAO, yeah. Duh. Who says I'm the DAO? Did I say I'm the DAO?

Well. You said you were like consuming it and getting really excited about it and. Brought up reading a book just like anything. Just like you're not reading a book. You didn't even get past Journey through the end of the night, the first fucking page. No, it's, man, I can't handle that stuff, man. You're probably like always really good because the guy didn't resist, you know? But, but I I don't think it's too good. Yeah. The temptation of becoming a

doctor. He's a doctor, you know, like what did. You look up, what did you look up that that about journey through the end of the night? Oh, no, no, all the all the controversy I don't really care about. That's not my no. No, I mean, what do you think happened in that book? I don't know. I I really, I read the first 2 pages. They're having a cafe. Yeah, yeah, everybody says so. But The thing is now, whatever I read doesn't mean I agree with it.

You know what I'm saying? Like the TTC, the TTC is just the Amazon book I bought, just like anything else. That's like king is what you're talking about. That's 50 pages long, by the way. Yeah, OK, got it. That's perfect length. That's that's and TV stands a form that where there's like 3 lines of page. So you completely disagree with it, which you can't by the way, you're actually not allowed. Like, I don't think you can disagree. With it, I think say I disagree necessarily.

I'm just, I'm, I'm agnostic about the TTC, but the the point, the point being like in terms of Entourage, I don't see how all, all these characters are not evil. They're just bad. They're just bad guys. No dude this is don't do the anti. Thing I'm not doing the anti. I love the show, but tell me, tell me about it. Tell me why they're bad guys. They're not. Why? Why are they bad? They don't do anything bad. They're just they're not doing anything good either, and

they're just chasing wealth, OK? They're chasing all the worst things that. Yeah. They're they're chasing wealth, yeah. That's why they're bad. What are you talking about? No, no, I thought. There was more to that. I was ready for more. To no, they're chasing wealth. They're chasing, you know, they're, they're living in lust. You know these people, these people are. Doing 7 deadly sins of. On I'm not doing 7 Deadly Sins. I don't I don't like anime. All I'm all I'm saying is these

guys are not good people. They're good. What have they done for the world? You know they make bad movies. You don't know that Aquaman was bad. First off, it was. You don't know that Queens Blvd. was bad. No, that's actually someone I I want to see that one. I want to see that one. If I. Could you don't? You don't. Know, but seriously, let's let's I'm not trying to do this weirdo thing. Like what? They're bad guys. They're not bad.

Why? They're they don't again, they're they're if anything, they're they're nothing, if anything, which is bad. No, it's not. Nothing is bad. If your entourage was something, they're usually destructive, by the way. If that's what they are in this in this series. They're not. How were they not? They enable the absolute worst. You know the the worst behavior is possible. But they but they don't. Vinny's going to do all this stuff anyways.

Well that's just like give, give give your mom a hit of heroin then. You know my mom's not going to do heroin if I don't though. That's right, but if you do help her, then you're helping her out. In that way, then he is going to do then he's going to chase pussy. He's going to he's going to be really, he's not going to read his scripts. He's he's going to do all of the things that he's already doing.

If those guys aren't there, he's just going to be a lot lonelier and perhaps a bit more annoying and probably more outward with his annoyingness rather than keeping it within the confines of the house. If these. Guys join Ms. 13 Then they're probably going to do their stuff just like they are, but if you help them out, you're part of the problem. Lo rez, are they evil? I don't think anybody on Entourage is evil.

No, I think the only evil characters are all the women that sleep with Vinny and Lloyd. Lloyd. Is not evil. Lloyd's not evil. Lloyd's the only good guy. Get out of here. No, it's not true. There's probably other good guys as well, but dude, these these guys are not. I thought it was I'm. I'm not even saying that it's a bad show, no. You're not. They're not evil. That's a misread of this. How? How are they not?

Jay, I need your input on this because Glenn's been telling me all this Jabberwocky stuff about. Listen, I, you know, I, I, I watched the full series when it came out, but I would really need to see the rest of four and where it goes and where it ends and where they pick up with the movie to tell you. Because I think if it did wind up circling the drain into this nihilist, hey, everybody's washed up ending, which is not what happens with Entourage, then I would probably agree with you.

Or if it came at the expense of like in a very significant way, somebody's morality. But I do think that they encapsulate kind of similar to the Sex and the City characters, a lot of the most gluttonous traits that can be exacerbated when you're living in one of these cities and going with what's expected of you in these industries, right?

I think that's more transparent with Sex in the City because they're, you know, it's very easy to demonize women for getting passed around, getting used up, and rightfully so, frankly. But with with Entourage, you never see it go to like a point where you know, you have Aaron Paul getting checked into rehab for his addictions because his girl overdosed and somebody watched and knew what was happening. You know you don't have that moment. Does it happen?

Have you not seen Antrish? I don't want to spoil our 5 to the 6th. That's the thing, I'm only talking about seasons one through 4 though. I can't I I may have a different answer our next talk. OK. Well then look to be continued because I don't remember that personally. It's been 15. Years, seasons one through 4. You cannot say they're bad people. Yeah, it doesn't. It doesn't it just. I'm sorry. There's nothing there to say that I I leave plenty of room for that to happen of.

Course, I would say Turtle actually, you have a case for Turtle in Season 1 because he is just not multifaceted at all. Yeah. He's just a slob dude. He's he's like a sloth, but not. He just doesn't have the he doesn't have the the like chops and like bars to do anything that's actually catastrophic other than like some bang up

someone's car. You know, just something like that when you, that's what that's like the only guy that can really like the guys that can really do stuff like E can do something like horribly wrong. And I he's only done a few things, but it's, it's all he makes up for it usually and it's not, I don't think the stuff he's doing is in like poor taste or anything now. They're they're just man, I don't know how to say that. It's very empty and superficial. These characters.

That's what that's what they are. And that's another like that's. What I would say, I don't think that they're bad people, but I don't think that they're good people. I certainly don't I all these minor infractions that are commonplace for Hollywood that they do wind up succumbing to from this point. Obviously we'll get into the later half.

I wouldn't say that they're bad, but they're certainly not making a case of they're they're good people just because they happen to have, you know, integrity as as long as it relates to their circle only. And I'm not a moralist, by the way. I'm not like, oh, but but they, they suck, man. Like it's a great show because of that. Like if, if they're a pious, you know, Pontius Pilate, they, they wouldn't be flying high. You know what I'm saying? It would just be.

Well OK, so so would they be? Would they be worse in Queens if they all just stayed in Queens with regular jobs? No, no, no. But all these hypotheticals don't change the reality. You're right. Now if. You're either a good person. You're either a good person or a bad person. I disagree. Yeah, but they're they're not in Queens either, so they kind. Of no, they're not. I just mean, if you're a bad person, you're going to be bad at every socioeconomic level. You know what I mean?

Every stardom, every. I mean, yes, it can. It can definitely intensify some of it when you're a famous star, but that it makes it sound like Vinnie loses his soul or through seasons one through 4, which he doesn't. It's the same fucking guy the entire time. Yeah, it's the same bad guy. And I don't, I look, I don't, I don't, I don't want to keep the hammering your head on this, you know? Well, you're wrong. I mean, it's just, it's just wrong. Actually I'm right because I. Don't think so.

You went, you go to Cannes and you come to actually a media literacy expert over here. No, no. No, no, it has nothing to do with all these talking points that you love to bring up. You see this on X, You, you, you, you, you watch Tuck on X and now you think, you know, No, no, no, no. All I'm saying is these guys are very super. These guys are like Pepsi. They're Pepsi, you know what I'm saying?

They're like, they're like a can with some juice inside and they use that juice up and sometimes they get refilled. But. But they're not good. A can of Pepsi is not good. They're empty as hell. They're shells, you know, and that I'm not saying they're, they're the worst. They're not Al Qaeda, you know, but at the same time, they're not virtuous.

They're not, they're not anywhere near where a human being could be. And you're right, it's they could be poor in like that, but they're not poor. So what does that even matter if if they were poor, they'd be like that. That's not an argument. What do you mean? It's like like you, you see this like they remind me of just a of of a, a lucky friend group that got big, but otherwise they were just like smoking weed on couches playing Xbox and not hurting anybody.

Oh, so hurting people makes you a bad person necessarily? Correct. OK, well that's a fun. We we differ in that different definition for for sure then. Your blast radius matters man. Like. It's no, no, of course of course I'm not saying it. If they were all also sucking the blood from green eyed girls. OK like like big trouble little child. Like, like are they're not roofing girls drinks? Like they're not doing stuff again? Does that happen later? Maybe?

I don't know, but it doesn't seem like. A that's that's true, that's true, but they still suck as people, you know, if you're smoking weed, playing Xbox, doing the Xbox tournament, smoking weed. I, I, I think you 2 just have fundamental differences of what you consider bad. Like Glenn is coming from like a more. I feel like a more maybe not the word traditional is correct here, but I think that there has to be some severity to whatever the action is you're doing

causing a negative impact. But DCI feel like you have this more. It's an older idea of what bad and good maybe that's come around and become a bit fresher of trying to recognize like sloth as a as a negative, you know, you're. Suffocating your ancestor, You're suffocating your grandpa if he's. Still alive. What would make like so? What would make? What would be something they could do to be good within the realm of of entourage?

Within the real that's that's I mean if you're in hell again, you're in hell you're like in the pits and I I say this again, this is my favorite show of all time I. Love it. Get the fuck out of here. Anyways, I'm cutting that part out. Go ahead. No, no, it it really. Is I love Entourage, you know, but it's disgusting. It's like filth. It's like, it's like the ending of Berlin Alexander Platts when you have all the whores and the people just like slathering around.

You got the meat house, they're cutting people and then you see that's that to me is is Entourage. Of course there's all the cool stuff and the fun stuff, but at the core it's rotten. You know, it's it's gross. That's what I love about. But DC, is there anything on the planet really that doesn't contribute to an eventual decline in the person on the other end of it that you partake in? Like you compared it to Pepsi? Well, I mean, Diet Coke has done a lot of good for me personally.

Me too, I love Diet Coke. From my morale, but I mean. Get off your high horse then fuck. I but I but if. A person's Diet Coke. I, I, I puke. I'm saying these people are Diet Coke. These people. Can't Diet Coke? Yes. President. Yeah. Not your president. You're president. Dude, something else, man. Yeah. Yeah, no, no, but you know, it was, it was just saying like these people are just like a product. They're just like a factory line sort of assembly line type guys.

I love DC like as a drink. Where do you play? Comes back to word play. Beautiful. I love it. No, but no, but you know what I'm saying? Like you, I I love this water bottle because it keeps me wet, but at the same time, if a person's that that sucks, man, like if a person has no has no more depth than this water bottle, a person just shake a fucking object with fluids in them. That sucks. So you like the show because it doesn't have depth? Is that is that?

Is there a? The show has depth but these characters are super official. Interesting. Yes. OK, I don't, I don't know that I understand. However, there. Is we don't need to spend more. Time however, there is a Part 2 of this coming up and I will come back to it because I don't forget this shit. So we're gonna next one is gonna be we're gonna watch Ari Gold the movie which I think exists. We're gonna do that. I don't know, can I? Share my screen Do you know Debrick?

Oh, was that what you were trying to do this whole time? Sorry. It's in like a weird mode on the bottom. I, I didn't, said John. Boyega. It is. It's a It's a Doug Ellen film. Oh why? Why does all of his shit look so cheap? Does he do the Photoshop posters himself? He's got the you cut editor like John. Ridley Yeah, this looks like a fake movie in Entourage. Exactly. But so Doug Ellen is the producer on this. OK. OK. Is that cash Pattel?

Sorry, but so this is one we have to see for sure. Okay. Sure, Claudine Benoit. Coming up, we've got seasons 5 to the 6-7. Is there 8? There's the movie. Right, the movie, yeah, which takes place. But there's not 8. There's not. There's 8 proper seasons, right? 7 OK, so 7 plus the movie. They did the whole like Deadwood thing right where they just put out a movie to to to kind of. Not as much of A layoff, but yeah, there was like a good five or six year gap between the last

season and Entourage the movie. Got it. OK. So we'll that that'll be our next thing. So guys, TS Cam will be out at some point. Don't promote my movie after argument. Don't let. Don't let an argument color you. We bring up Roger Eaver, but nobody can handle an argument. I got it all right, Jesus. As a matter of fact, Mass State Lottery, I think it's going to be late July. We're going to have some screenings in Boston, so dates to come and we'll be updating

the website. Very nice, very nice. Lovely. Love to hear that. Shout out to David Lee, Denny Junior. All right, guys, everybody have a safe week to look at you guys next time.