Are We Back? w/ Fredo

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finger Biden fucker. Left fucker, right as you riding see it, those rocking, you know, politics, baby, we just talked this time. From the birds to the bricks, we be in the mix with that rare candy paint job on a whip we whip. So long time, friend. We were just talking about how long time we've known each other and the things that aren't around anymore since then. The way the world's looked has been a lot different since since the last time we've talked. But it's Fredo.

You can catch him with the good old Boys radio live that they do an excellent show that like broadcasts to Twitter now I noticed. Yeah, yeah, that's pretty cool. That's a good idea for what they do. Yeah, and we and I definitely like even in the chat I can tell like it, you know, it tells you where which platform people are listening from. So I know that there's people listening from there. So kind of a new audience, which

is pretty cool. I see because, well, it shows me as like, because you see it on the spaces. It's like there's a comma. I'm like, wow, that's hey, a comma, people listen, there's a comma number. That's that's that's pretty good. It's very impressive. Well, of course, you know, shout out to them and stuff and it's always fun to collaborate with them. But you know, we've, it's been a while since we've talked. The world is constructed a bit differently for the nothing ever happens people.

I'll just say listen to our old episodes with Fredo versus the one we're about to do right now. Things have happened. Good things have happened in my opinion, because I remember one of the times we had you on, I don't know if it was the last one or not, we were talking about vaccine hearings and we were what was going to be mandated, what wasn't what. I mean, there was a real scary time, but OK, lots changed, new president, all this stuff. How are you feeling just overall

about how things are going? Is it over or are we back? I guess is what I. I mean, I'm of the position that like you can never think it's over 'cause even if it's over, there's no like benefit to thinking it's over, right? Like you always got to be on the like we're so back team no matter what. So and I even that aside, like that general life perspective, things are going pretty well. You could always say like, here's what I would be doing differently. Here's how this could be doing

differently. Here's the tactical mistakes people are making. But you know, if you looked stepping back, looking at a broadview, are things happening that like I did not even think were on the table six months ago? Absolutely. Absolutely no. And, and the big one for me is

the tariffs. I like the reason I reached out again, you know, until you just get in modes of like, we're doing this, we're doing this. And I was like, we got to talk to Fredo again. It's been forever. And I and there have been people requesting you back on the show too. I was like, yeah, you're right, you guys are right. We got to have Fredo on. And but you were talking about tariffs and one thing I hated more than anything you can be pro for or against.

A lot of people's stock portfolio will dictate their their take on a lot of this. But there's there were a lot of people I just didn't like the attitude that like nothing can get done in America, that like mode of black Pilling where I was like you, like you said earlier, you just can't be in that mindset. And you made the comparison to Nike and New Balance, which I loved. Yeah. I mean, you just, I mean, first of all, it's just patent Leon, right.

I mean people that are saying that there is like X thing that we can't make in the United States. I mean, unless it's a situation where it requires some raw material that we don't have here, right. And you're talking about like inability to import it. It's just not true. We have probably 350 million people here now we have a lot of natural resources. We have a lot of know how it's still if it's a technical skill issue, it's still the educational center of the world,

right. Everybody is where all foreign countries try to send their people for education and just there's always on almost every single thing that people claim can't be made here. There's the counterexample. So like that goes to the Nike New Balance thing. One of the things that like people have been the point people have made early on about the tariffs was like Nikes are going to get some more expensive and there's just no way they're going to start making them here in response.

And that's just it's wrong, right? I mean New Balance doesn't make all of their shoes in the United States and I'm sure there is some amount of imported material in their US made shoes, but they are making shoes in the United States and they're not more expensive than Nikes. So I mean that's just like one example of just ways in. This is patently untrue. Just to stick with footwear. I wear Rainbow sandals. Popular brand of sandals. Rainbow makes two different lines of sandals.

They make their Americana series which are 100% made in the US in California of all places. Not like a low wage state. San Clemente, CA. And then they make their like standard line, which is made I guess in China. I don't know. I buy the Americana ones. The price difference is like $10 like between those two pairs of shoes, you know what I mean? So like what? What? Like it's like, what are we talking about here? You used to hear that all the time too, about ethical consumption too.

Like you'd hear whether it exists or not. But it's like, that's, that's like, I'm down to spend 10 bucks if I know something is like sustainably made over here. And I don't mean sustainable in a climate change. I just mean like the production of it, you know, and, and, and things like that. I, I, I, I just, yeah, I, nobody said that it was going to be like a seamless thing. And look, right now I'm shopping for like Mother's Day gifts for

my mom. And I saw something I was trying to buy my mom from France and I was like, whoa, $25 to ship now. I was like, that's interesting. And then I realized there's got to be something that that's but that's like I wasn't willing to to just ruin the country over that. You know, basically when I say it's like that is the black pill is when I go, well, I can get atva relatively cheap TV

delivered to my house. And I think this is a kind of a crux of what good old boys talks about is you can get, you know, ATV to your house for a reasonably priced thing made from components all over the world. But guess what, Like everything else is seems so out of reach. You know, everything else seems so out of reach. And I thought this was a way to do kind of a reset and and it is a gamble. I think it is a gamble, but it's a gamble I'm willing to make because otherwise, like, where

was this headed? Exactly. I mean, Merrick actually has a really good quote on this where he said tariffs are a bet that your country has a future. And that's what it is like that, that's literally what it is, right? Because it is a gamble to some

extent. We don't know exactly how it's going to play out, but you are gambling that you have a future because the alternative is that we're going to ride it out on cheap stuff as long as you can while you sort of, you know, more and more people's lives start to decline. The only reason that this like, system is even possible right

now, right? This sort of idea where everything comes from overseas and, you know, made by super low wage labor and wages in the US overall are, you know, don't keep up, but you know, the products getting cheaper, which is not evenly distributed, right? It's like TV's are getting cheaper, but not if you want to buy a house and you know, and stuff like that.

That's only sustainable because foreign countries, you know, pour those dollars back into the US financial services industry, which is like the fake economy, you know, more or less that benefits like a small group of people that this is the first time something like this is even impossible.

But I think everyone sort of realizes that it also can't just continue interminably forever where you have just a country of people that do nothing but consume and shuffle money around and everything else is just made somewhere else. It just, it doesn't make any sense.

And where the rubber really meets the road, Like I am in a situation where on a personal level, for the rest of my limited lifespan, right on earth, I probably would be able to have more stuff, for lack of a better term, under the current system, right? Like where people are just on the whole getting paid lower wages, but my stock portfolio is going up and all this stuff. This is a trade off. Like I'm willing to make, right? Like, 'cause it it even.

And it doesn't even actually have to be this totally selfless thing. Like, there's also a way to look at it where you can say like, look, I actually just want to live in a place where you walk around and like, there aren't like, you know, drugged out zombies on the street and things like that. Because people have something to live for. They have a purpose. They know that they're they have meaning in their lives to go to work. Yeah. Yeah. Go ahead, you.

Go No, no, I was I was talking about just to what you said there. The the, the Sam, Sam Hyde. I I mean, say what you will about the guy, like the guy, when he's is serious and earnest about something and particularly the economy, the guy makes a lot of sense. And he was talking about especially millennials.

This is a millennial thing. There was the avocado toast meme that happened, you know, for a long time, which is, you know, you guys would have X if you didn't stop spending money on Y. These small little trinkets, these small things, they add up, which, yeah, I mean, look, there's a there's a mirror to be looked in there in terms of the way we spend money. But Sam Hyde was saying, you have third, We constantly have this illusion of progress because we constantly have $30

to piss away on something. Like most people have $30 to, like, order a decadent meal delivered to their house. Like a lot of people do have that. But then you look at Zillow, especially where I live, you look at Zillow and you go, well, of course I'm going to buy this stupid thing because I'll never buy that thing. That's never going. To happen. You nailed it. That's exactly what I was about

to say. They're these people are just sort of it's a way of it's almost an escapism to make yourself feel better that regarding the bigger things, you actually don't have the ability to acquire that thing. And you know, the opposite of this is regardless of what you thought of them overall. But Ford ISM right.

Like, I don't, I think most listeners probably know this, but Henry Ford intentionally raised the wages of the assembly line workers on the idea that the that like he was sort of trend setting in the manufacturing economy as to where wages were going to go and he needed people working in that industry being able to afford to buy a Ford. Right, like. That was that was the idea.

I think the old thing is if you inflate, adjust, the guys on the line for in his era were making 150 grand a year. Yeah, I mean, imagine that. So tight. Yeah. And anyone's willing, like if you tell me I can have a home for 40 grand, I could buckle down and get that done. You know, like, I feel a lot more people would be willing to do that. Or even a down payment that would have a good interest rate or something, you know, like a 20% down situation. But yeah, Now. Yeah.

Finish line, yeah. Yeah, it's something to look at like a goal, you know, And it's just, it's just some people, you know, the way in the Bay Area, the way this, you know, where I'm at, the way these houses sell. And it's typically, I mean, you know, not making a statement about culture or anything. But like Asian and Indian families, they will live together in a house that, you know, maybe a couple of them have jobs at Apple, a couple of

them stay at home or whatever. And they will save their money and buy a bunch of houses in the, in the, in the Bay Area. And they grind hard, they buckle down. They they, they're very frugal with what they spend on, but I'm kind of like, that's not the model that we, I don't think I have to do that. I don't have to match that. And that's my problem with like a globalist society is where it's like, why do I have to match this? Like hack that's like this. I'm down for America to be

competitive. I just, we got to have an idea of what America is when we're going to be competitive. And a lot of people are scared to do that, which is why this was what everything we're saying right now was said by leftists, quote, UN quote, who were trying to gain like populist support in the 20 tens. And that's there's not a shred of that anymore, by the way. There's not a shred of that anymore because it requires sacrifice.

And it requires kind of just looking at the world objectively a little bit and just realizing like, what would I get rid of? What would I get rid of in order to have something that you can pass down generationally speaking, something that just you go home to after a rough day at work or something, rather than these shoebox apartments everywhere? We're going to get you right back to the episode, but I just wanted to let you guys know of a few other things we offer.

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Yeah, and part of it too is just sort of to, you know, channel the my good old boys appearances here, like the the patronage network sort of expanded since then. And there is this 0 sum idea that like if for instance, union workers become like a larger portion of the Liberal coalition, that's less money to go around to like, I don't know, like Tasmania or people that work like in social services or, you know, things of that nature. And that that really has

exploded over the past. Like that was always around, but that really has exploded over the past 10 to 15 years. That really took off in the Obama era and just sort of started accelerating during that time.

And then so you have these people that are like, well, now, like on a personal level, you know, the those dollars that are going to go to workers on the line, those are dollars that like I could be getting because if corporation, if those, you know, if Corporation X doesn't have to pay their workers so much, that's more that they're donating to this random NGO where I have God knows what job, you know what I mean?

If that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah, it just it doesn't feel it and like, you know, there's, I don't believe what this is. It what this is, is like reactionary. A lot of people say, well, you can't turn back. You you put the cat back in the bag, whatever, anything. I don't think that's what this is. I think there's a way to actually to progress. I know that word is kind of tainted at this point, but there's a way to actually

progress on that front. And I, I don't know the economy well enough, but I just felt like, OK, there were people screaming about the tariffs, about the stock market since for 10, almost a decade now since Trump first ran for president, people were scared of that. But there were so many people, I feel like they willingly took a bath in the stock market as a martyr. It was really strange. Like I'm like, wouldn't you pull everything out the minute he

won? Like, if you were that scared, if you were that scared, if you were like, kind of like a, you know, a Clintonite neoliberal boomer, you'd think you would take your money out of the market and be like, let's just see. Especially if you're 60 years old and you've already put a lifetime of say, you know, Especially if you're like already, you know. I mean, I'll take the other side of that one.

Like, not that I'm sympathetic to these people, but like the way they were looking at it is they were thinking about his first term and the stock market. Like they probably thought that the greater Republican Party and or you know, a business interest, whatever would persuade him to do the tariffs in 1/2 assed way and the stock market would keep going up.

Because you have to remember there's a huge opportunity cost to pulling all your money out of the market that way because of the, you know, if you look at like historically, the like all of the gain, the biggest parts of gains in like a decade period will sometimes all take place in like 1/4. And if you were out of the market that entire quarter, like you might have set yourself back several years.

So that's the, that's the way that those people were probably looking at. It was like, well, like I've just been riding because just honestly, for the, for the past five plus years, you just have your stuff in an index fund doing nothing and you'd be killing it, right?

So that's probably the way people were looking at it and just kind of thinking it would go on forever, especially if you thought that inflation was going to continue, then you really didn't want to be out of that index fund. Or they thought, they thought they didn't like the cultural stuff around the administration, but they thought that it would get pumped. And they're kind of like revealed preference thing a little bit, yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Mm hmm. I, yeah, I, cuz I, I, to be honest, I don't really have a portfolio. I, I have a little bit of a little bit of Bitcoin, which that's doing fine, you know, like that to me that, that was, that was nice to hold onto everybody that said that that was a gamble. I'm like, well, so is the stock market apparently. So I mean, I, I just, I, I get why that's kind of the, the generational disconnect, right?

It's just like a lot of people and I, I don't consider it like a privilege or anything to the boom. I think people have the scorned attitude towards the boomers and the money that they have. That's not what I'm saying. It's just, it's just, they never understood that it's just a little bit different for, for, I'm speaking for, you know, people around my age, like it's just a little bit different.

And I that's why maybe maybe not why, there's multiple reasons, but I think that's why the numbers look the way they did towards Trump, because it was somebody doing something like somebody doing something. It was things happening for sure. It was, it was dice rolled. And, and to be honest, like when you're living the way a lot of, you know, modern people live, like a roll of the dice is like

what happens to you every day. So when you see a, a president who, again, I don't have a lot in common with Donald Trump, like we, I don't come from the same line of people or anything, but I, I kind of felt like he was just doing like a point A to point B thing that just felt so refreshed. I'm like, yeah, like, why don't I do that? You know, like why that's something I would think of.

And maybe that's a nightmare to some people, something I would think of, but I, I, I thought it was refreshing. Yeah, exactly. I mean, you can, you can see the logic, you can see where things are going, and that is going to be refreshing to a lot of people. Are you, by the way, are you guys? I think I always find this interesting. Are you guys millennial guys or Gen. X guys? Millennial. Yeah. Yeah, you're pretty much right. Squarely in the middle. Right.

I think squarely in the middle, middle of that generation, I'm 34, going to be 35. So yeah, it's just, it's it's right, right in the middle. Thank God we're not the older millennials. You. Know yeah, I was guessing I'm a Gen. X guy so like I have the the I just kind of thought of this when you were talking about the boomer thing. I have the crossover where I feel like I have like you.

I actually don't like when people just go like insane, like anti boomer stuff because it's like come on man. Like these guys, they were born during like a really awesome time. I would do the exact same. Thing exactly as good for them. And by the way, like not every boomer, like definitely there is a boomer thing where like, oh, I don't care about my, my kids or that kind of stuff, but that's, it's probably not even most of them. There's enough of them that the stereotype rings true.

But anyway, my my larger point was like, because I'm in between those two generations, I kind of think I tend to see both sides of it. Yeah. Oh, no, exactly. I'm just mad that we, that the boomer thing doesn't exist for me. I mean, it's you're truly, it's not that's not bad. That's not bad at all. And you get why they're institution trusters. I mean, every kind of, not everything, but most things that happened.

If they worked hard, they could support every current thing and just be like, OK, on the other side of that, even if what I'm supporting isn't exactly good or not, the line goes up and I'm good. Like, so we get, it's just it's so much more nuanced and complicated for generations below that. I feel like in terms of, well, if I support that, does that really mean that, you know, I

don't know? I don't, I'm speaking very vague here because I, I honestly couldn't give too many examples, but I, I just feel like it was like, OK, this is the goal. That's the goal. You can see it on the frontier. Go get it. For us, we're like, what is the goal? I don't know. I don't know what. Yeah. Like you could really just work and save in their generation,

right? Like you could just, you know, there were people that are people that I know from that generation, like Boomer H people that were like, yeah, like I could have gotten a mortgage, but I instead just decided to wait five years and then buy my house in cash, you know what I mean? Like stuff like that, which is generally not available. To most people today and just, you know, working your summer job in high school and buying a Camaro with it, she left like that kind of stuff.

My dad, my dad bought AI think a Barracuda like when he was working at like some random summer job and I was just like, damn, that's so tight. Like, I mean, again, yeah. That's how you get patriotism out of people, by the way. Like, it's just how you get like, like my parents are Democrats and I don't think they love the way the country's going right now. But they all, they both consider themselves, like, patriotic to the country, you know what I

mean? Because they're just like, yeah, Because I mean, they do remember a time, like they do remember a time where it was like, OK, if I just do what I'm supposed to do and there's an actual uniform set of rules of what you're supposed to do, Personal accountability exists because these are the rules to follow. And then right now it's just like, what is this? What even is that? It's all these like philosophical questions of how

you achieve this thing. And and yeah, like you said, like my, my grandfather's another thing, another thing. He everyday he worked at General Electric. It was a good it was a good job. I don't even know what he did. I I just feel like it was like some Homer Simpson job, just like walking around a factory. But I'm assuming you know, he did it forever. Even survived the buyout by Honeywell and he would eat a Bologna and cheese sandwich every single day in a cemetery by himself.

Never went out to lunch. I mean, there weren't as many restaurants to do that or anything back then. Never went out to lunch. And he would just, he didn't, I don't imagine he made that much money, but he had a lot of money and it was just like he kept his costs low. Whereas for me, it's just like everything's itemized here. And even as a part of like a global economy, which is supposed to make everything readily available to me, I still feel like I'm paying out the ass for everything.

Even stuff that, you know, every step of every process is like a payment. My card's on file. And all these places that's just like, man, like, how do you save money nowadays? Like it's tough. Yeah. And there is an important point that you hit on early there, which was that one of the more interesting sort of discussions I have with people that always really shocks them. People that are sort of into economics is like sometimes people say what?

Well, you know, if you study this and that or you look at the charts like this is more economically efficient, right? Or like people will tell you like, oh, actually people are richer now because they can buy XY and Z that they couldn't buy in 1950 or whatever. My response to that always surprises people because instead of diving in the numbers with them and trying to find a fallacy or which you probably could do honestly, but I don't even do any of that.

I just say like, I don't care about any of that because even if, because even if all that is true and the economy is somehow 20% less efficient in a situation where the guy that works at Ford is making 150 grand a year, that's just still preferable. And that is actually, I'm not like I'm actually not trying to make an objective math like judgement there like economic econometric judgement. This is actually I like, I just own it.

This is a moralistic judgement that I'm making like that is a an acceptable efficiency loss in the economy to, you know, you know, go back to that type of system. You're right. Exactly. I I just it's there is yeah, you can show me a chart. That's that's my thing. It's like there was I feel like a long time ago. It was like one thing that was trusted. It was just like, OK, this right. And it was how much money do you

have? What do you need to buy and can you do it and that and then you would you would get the job. Like I'm actually, I'm actually, there's a lot of people who scoff at like low end labor and I, I don't because I, because I

work it honestly. But like the, I go to like stores and I just see, you know, part of it is definitely a generational thing that, that I think there's kind of a smugness to a certain generation. But I'll go to a store and everybody's surprised when I walk in. Sometimes I'm like, what? Like you walk in and they're

like, did you need something? I'm like, I'm just shopping at your store because it's open and they look at me and there and it's just there's boxes all over the floor and it's like the middle of the day when that was stuff is typically done by a night crew, but you can tell they're not spending the stores not spending on the night crew. And I just was like, man, I understand that the lot of people's responses get a better job that jobs not for people who who do that, you know, for smart

people. I'm like, yeah, but I I miss competent people in the service industry. I miss that. I miss competent people working at grocery stores. Like that stuff. That stuff bothers me that it's not there anymore. Like it makes your life like that if you have a bad day at work and then you go pick something up after work. And that's an arduous, horrible process with with just people who can't make eye contact with you, people that can't, you

know, do a simple task. And then you realize you're like, yeah, but they also make not that much money an hour. I know minimum wage goes up, but so does the rent. So does all of this thing. So that's clearly not working. And that's, in short, why I say, you know what? I don't know what Trump's end game is with the tariffs, but let's try it. Yeah.

And it's always, by the way, like to your point, you can kind of always tell the stores, and I'm not even saying they pay well, but even the ones that pay a little bit more like in this economy, because the employees having a completely different countenance sort of about them when you're in there, like it's these things make a difference. So I think the one that people use a lot is like Chick-fil-A, right?

Like that's like a good example. But I mean, I mean, even like I don't, we don't have one where I live. But if I'm in an area that has one, like Trader Joe's, the employee, the employees are just much cheerier than at like a typical grocery store. And I know that is because, you know, at some level they're making more than the typical chain grocery store. Oh yeah.

I mean, it's, it's without question In-n-out Burger's a big one in California. Like they make, I mean, I don't know what they make, but I think they, they start out at like 20 bucks an hour here. It's young, fresh faced people just doing their job. They read the stuff back to you. If they make a mistake, they fix it. It's, it's just, it's a really good process. Aesthetically, it hasn't changed at all. But if it did, I don't imagine the employees would.

And it's just like, wow, that's, and, and guess what? It's cheaper than most fast food, but yeah, it's like, why is this cheap? I I don't. That one's because with in and out, I believe it's because it's a private company, it's not public. So they don't have to be constantly focused on like oh, our profits went down a tiny bit this quarter, you know what I mean? So everybody knows and the stock

price goes down. Another one that's like that that's also a private company is are you guys know about Bucky's? I we don't have them, but I know what they are. Yes, yeah, we have them where I live and Bucky's like they post it, You know, this is actually very smart marketing for them too. It makes people feel good about

going there. They have a giant sign when you first walk into Bucky's that says what everybody makes like so it'll be like cashier $20.00 an hour, which in my part of the country, I don't live in California, that's a lot of money. And it's like the store manager here, I'm not making this up, makes 250 grand. Like that's what you make is like the store manager of a Bucky's so, or at least in in my area. So like they just post that as soon as you walk in the car wash

manager 150 grand. Like, you know what I mean? Like yeah, damn. It's pretty good. That's I mean, that's really good. Yeah, I know we because I think the the counter to that or it's similar. I don't know if it's similar because I've never been in a Bucky's, but like they have Maverick out on the West Coast, which is like that bit on the side. Do you guys have those up to those Mavericks? I've been to Mavericks out West driving Bucky's is different level.

Different level, OK. Yeah, like Bucky, I'll put it to you. Like Bucky's just like the size of it, the amount of food and stuff they have. And the thing they're really famous for is the bathroom crew, which is probably the only place in the world where the bathroom crew at least makes, like, OK money. They don't leave. They are cleaning the bathrooms

24/7. Like if you're on bathroom crew, you're working your 8 hour shift in the bathroom and they are Immaculate. Like that's what they're known for. Like these are really high volume stores with like thousands and thousands of people constantly going in and out and like the the toilet is like Immaculate in every stall. It's like a high end restaurant.

Yeah, yeah, I've seen like Youtubers going like I'm trying every snack in Bucky's and I'm like that place looks I'd eat, I'd eat the food off the floor there. I mean, the place looks great. Yeah, this is a trucks, I mean, not a truck style. It's a gas station. But like you see a lot of like long haul truckers like pulling in stuff. Actually they don't allow, they don't allow trucks. So it's only they only allow like they don't allow trucks as in like like tractor trailers.

It's only for yeah like non commercial use. Yeah, interesting. Oh, that's see that I didn't know and that's where Maverick's a little different I think so yeah, that's, that's, that's interesting. Well, I, I'd be, you know, remiss to have you on and not

ask you about Bitcoin right now, cuz that's, there's been a lot of meme coins since we last talked. A lot of me, a lot of rug pulling. I see a lot of people talking about cryptocurrency is a scam. I was talking to my mom the other day. She's like, it's a scam. It's all a scam. I was like, I was like, Bitcoin's pretty solid though, like Bitcoin, you know, seems pretty good. She's like, no, it's all, it's all a scam. I was like, oh, OK, but she's thinking about hawk to a coin.

She knows I don't, I don't know why my mom, my mom should not know what hawk to a coin is. By the way, I'm against I'm against the John Oliver's of the world telling my mom what hawk to a coin isn't getting her worked up about that. But anyways, there's all these rug pull things. But I'll tell you what, I sold my Bitcoin a while back, a long time ago, probably when we first started the show needed to move some money around or something. I did rebuy.

I did buy it again and I'm, I'm happy that I, that I have it, but I, you know, it hasn't really lost steam despite the kind of kind of cringe crypto world that's kind of become of it that everybody kind of makes fun of. So where where are you at with Bitcoin, right?

Now, yeah, I mean, one thing that I've noticed definitely over the past few years is more and more, more and more every year, Bitcoin sort of separates itself from the broader crypto world just in terms of the businesses that are in that industry, people that are pushing it, things of that nature. It's gotten further and further away. And that's especially true in the current environment where like in 2017, 18/19/20, the rug pull scams were all they pretended to have some value,

right? Like, oh, this is a coin that's going to power a world computer and change the world in this way or all this crap. Like there was, there was like some sort of story they were trying to tell that has actually all fallen away now. And it's just like, Oh yeah,

this coin has a cool name. And this guy like on YouTube talks about how great it is. And every, I, I'm not justifying this, but everybody's kind of like going into it from the beginning, like knowing it's a pump and dump and thinking that they're smart enough to get out before the bottom falls out. Like that's how like all these work now.

And I think that is like contributor to the distinction as well as like there's no more like coins really that are like pretending to be a global currency. Other than Bitcoin, everything else is now just like, oh, this fun coin with a dog on it that like is going to be popular for six months, you know? Yeah, no, you're right. I cuz I was just thinking so I and I know a guy who's a big ripple guy, he's just massively into ripple. That one is still around like that's.

Crazy they have. He's a maximalist. This guy is. They all are maximalist. They all are. And it's insane because it's not a real, it's like they can burn, they can burn the supply at any time and they could sell it. The CEO could just sell it to make money to fund, to fund their own little business. It's so insane and it's I don't know why. It's like that's the OG one too. Like that one has been around scamming people and it's got like. My mom bought the top of that in like 2017.

It is crazy. Yeah dude. And it was, and I don't know, it was crazy, Yeah. I remember in that era, too, Bill Clinton spoke at their annual conference. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Their whole thing is that the cope at least, is that they're gonna transform the banking networks and all the banks are gonna use them, which makes no sense. Like wow, there's big fucking random ripple to do that. Especially now this thing has been around almost 10 years and there's no banks using it.

Like, but it's still the the same exact story. And like, yeah, they just have 9 lives 'cause they constantly, they're like, I feel like at least two times they were on the verge of like getting shut down for securities violations or other crap. And like they, you think they're dead and then like, you know, 18 months later, it's like back again. It's insane. I do have oh, go ahead. Go ahead. No, no. No, well, I, I do have a question, a Bitcoin question for you, Fredo.

And I, I feel I'm pretty, I'm, I'm somewhat of a maximalist, maybe not to the degree that that you guys are. I do like an ecosystem of cryptos. And I think there are, there is a line between like Hoktu and maybe some of the, you know, and I like the tech. I like, you know, there being this defy thing being available and what not. And yeah, but I, I love, I think Bitcoin is the best one for sure. I was going to ask and there's this.

I remember the funny moment from our last podcast where I asked if you could use the Bitcoin Roth IRA to Iras to short the market and and you said no, which was a bummer. To me, I because I just love it as like just a small savings, like it's just it's it's nice. Like I, I mean you people always act like when you say you're into it, they think you're like All in all the time, like they're and and it's just to people who don't know they think you're either cash for Bitcoin.

I'm like I have a little bit. Of both as you as you should, I mean, because you we live in like a society where dollars and like, you know what I mean? Like you can believe very strongly in the long term potential of Bitcoin and for instance, still also have traditional stock investments because you also like depending depends on your age, I suppose

too. But like if you're a middle-aged guy like me, I also am going to need assets that are appreciating in the five to 10 year time frame, which Bitcoin certainly has, but like in a more volatile way, right? And that may change over time and that balance changes. But you know, you do have to be practical around your short term

volatility tolerance. It's also interesting, you know, how these markets correlate and de correlate, you know, and it I think they're obviously if you're like savvy, you can kind of get an edge there. But also it yeah, it is just a hedge and it's I just doesn't seem that difficult to

understand. Like it doesn't seem obviously like a lot of autists are into it, but it doesn't seem like it's that difficult to understand and also understand that cash is largely a scam in the way global financial markets have it set up. You know, and it it, it just, it's just a hedge against that, just like digital gold and everything, especially in context of all this inflation and everything that's happened in the last five years. I don't know. Yeah, that's exactly right.

Like, I mean, look at all the inflation we've had and Bitcoin has been a pretty good thing to be invested in during that time period. Yeah, yeah. And I, I keep hearing the term like shelling point with Bitcoin, like what I don't. What does that mean? It just means like this is with regard to like a sort of like multiple cryptocurrencies, we've already reached the shelling point means like in this category, this is already the thing that the sort of critical mass of people have chosen.

So, you know, with respect to a currency, like generally multiple currencies is not a stable situation, even if the government's not mandating it. Like in a given, even historically in a given region in a given time period, there's typically one currency, right? Like it all sort of coalesces around the one thing that was Roman denari, right? For like a a good period of world. History. Yeah, yeah, that's, oh,

interesting. Yeah. Cuz I like, I, I just, I think about it and every time, like I was a skeptic going into it cuz I, I didn't really know much about. I'd heard about it. I heard the story of the guy who buying the pizza, you know, and all that. I'd heard about it and I was like, that's too volatile for someone like me. I don't want to have to pay attention to it that much.

But I, I just, like I said, I would, I would give myself a set limit of like, I'm just going to buy this much a week, buy this

much a week. This is something I would, I would take what I would save and I would put, you know, I would divide X amount of percentage of that and then just go buy Bitcoin with it. And I'll be honest with you, like I, I've been a little happier with the Bitcoin stuff and people get scared when, you know, the line goes down a little bit, but it's just like, man, like you, you can absorb it like pretty easy. And, and it's, it's not the

stuff isn't going away. You know, like that guy, it's fine if you want to be the guy stuffing money in a mattress. I, I respect people that do that, But I, I just man, this is the I and I get it, not your keys, not your coin. So I do need to get better at that, but. Yeah, but no, I mean, the other thing is stuffing money in your mattress actually historically was not like a terrible idea, but like the problem is the money's broken, right?

And that's like, that's the whole point of the Bitcoin is stuffing money in a mattress, a digital mattress if you, if you own your own keys, right? But that's, if you're doing it with dollars. The problem is you're, you're paying sort of an inflation tax every year against those dollars that that's kind of eating them away. Ah. I see.

I see. And that's not like one of the appeals to Bitcoin is honestly like people should not actual average people should not have to think about investing, right? Like you should be able to just save and that should be enough that it should also be fine if you want to get into investing and that is a thing that you have particular talent OR skill

or ability for. But the the problem with like the current monetary system, if we're just thinking, we set Bitcoin aside, you're still talking about a dollar system is that you like have to, you can't just save dollars and retire. You're you're not, you're never going to get there. You kind of have to participate in the stock market, right? And Bitcoin is like a sort of a bet on that.

Maybe that system eventually ends and we move to a sound money system where your savings can actually be in currency instead of it. It's it's weird if you think about it like if you're just like a like a, a physician, even, like I'm not even talking about like even necessarily a low wage person. Why do you have to be thinking about like investing in like hundreds or thousands of different companies like that, that, that that's weird.

Like, you should be focused on, like, fixing people up at the doctor's office and then just stashing some money away for when you're old, you know? Right. Yeah, yeah, that's right. It's just like the whole amount of like literacy that's that's required to do to just like do something just because of lack of like societal trust. Like I just even think of something about like a mechanic or something, you know, I don't know how to fix cars.

So I buy cars that are easy to fix because the parts are cheap. Now that being said, I've gone to three different mechanics and can't trust them a lot of times. So I'm kind of, I kind of feel the same way about Bitcoin sometimes where it's like, well, I've heard a different, I've heard different outlooks from so many different people where I'm just like, OK, but this I, I've just stepped away and seen Bitcoin for a while and just been like, OK, this it's not as volatile as I thought.

It's very constant, you know, like I was playing around with Ethereum for a while, which I don't, I don't hate that, but it's it's it didn't win, you know, from. The five to the six. The one of the things I wanted to talk about today and sigh, you, you feel like you're alone on this. That's why I want to talk cuz I and you're not. I just haven't paid attention to it that much. So it's tough for me to weigh in

on it. But why don't you walk me through what's happening to this? Is it a supposed MS13 member? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, walk me through the Yeah. I don't know. Well, I, again, this stuff is so hard to parse out what's true and not, you know, which is another reason why I think lurching in in any One Direction is kind of a fool's a fool's errand, you know? But yeah, there's, you know, the whole, you know, there's the El Salvador connection to the, the

leader in that country. I forget P Kelly or I. Yeah, Bukele, Bukele. Yeah, who's arguably transformed his country by just locking up, you know? Punishing people for crime. Punishing people for crime. Yeah, yeah. And being, you know, relatively authoritarian about it and it's worked, you know, in terms of getting, you know, the streets safe again. And he's, you know, he's well liked and everything.

And. And so there's these deportation cases in America under the Trump administration where they're just sending these guys. I think they have a contract with Buchelli's like Supermax prison system where they're kind of like, all right, if you're MS13 gang member, you're going straight to this spot. And the critics, you know, there's all sorts of there's there's whisperings of this being done to totally, at least in relative terms towards gang

crime, totally innocent people. Maybe they're here illegally, but they're not Ms. 13. Yeah. Or that in this case, this guy might be like a legit MS13 member or maybe like a borderline kind of MS13, like he was flirting with it and then he gets sent there.

I think in this specific case, that's what I understand they, they did make a mistake in that they'd literally picked the wrong guy and ICE like admits ICE admits that they say this is not the guy that we wanted to send and he did have an had an active regardless of whether you think this is legit or not, had an active do not deport to El Salvador clause or whatever. I don't know how that works legally.

And that was violated to send them here and the Supreme Court overturned it 9 to 0, including Clarence Thomas and every conservative member of the of the thing. And and so they're saying, they're saying that they have to make haste and bring him back to the United States. And do I don't know how it even works, some kind of trial.

And just, if I'm editorialize a little bit, I, I think I don't know, there's, it seems like you're either put into these two camps of like you're either super based, like kind of this thing. And then there's and then there's like the we know that the Liberals aren't going to freak out about this regardless, you know, of deporting people in

general. And of course, this is all in the backdrop of letting in, you know what, 10-11 million, maybe more people over the last four years completely open borders, which is insane. During a down time of our country, by the way. Yes, and and it's it's, it's just not, that's just not fair or it's not helpful to them or the people in America. And so my whole thing, but my

whole thing. Is. I think this is, I think this is kind of playing with fire and it's not, it's, it's sloppy in a way that hurts the overall project. And I just don't see that nuance being expressed. I and so there's some people are saying, I gotta say, I'm not saying I believe this, but I'm saying, hey, that might be possible. It's hard to deport 11 million people. Yeah, of course. So they might be doing this.

Maybe, maybe they might be doing this just to kind of get activist judges against them and saying like, oh, look, our hands are tied. We, you know, our countries retarded, blah, blah, blah. We can't do any of this stuff. And my whole thing with with regards to the prison, whatever, I don't care. Just like I don't care about sending people to prison. I don't care about doing all this like judicial shit. Just like let's just verify and get out. That's kind of my take.

But I don't know, it seems, I don't know. I feel it's one of those weird things where you kind of express this and you just get, I don't know, maybe I'm putting this in my own head, but you get the sense that people are like, oh, I thought you were based. Or they think you, you know, like, like, oh, let's. Open borders now because because. Yeah, yeah. And I'm and I'm and I'm thinking again, I'm thinking, I'm thinking this is ultimately going to slow down this process.

I see roadblock. Roadblock and just really gum up the thing rather than being precise and razor clean with it and also I I just don't implicitly trust ice as a rule. I just, I don't think there's, I'm not saying I distrust them, but I'm not, I don't think they're like fucking SWAT soldiers or whatever, you know, or like or like Marines or you know what I mean? They're just like ice, you know? And I don't know, that's my rant on it.

And I also do think this could actually be totally making this up. I think there's people that agree with me that might be kind of scared to express this because they're scared of counter signalling anything now and they think it's like not trusting the plan. I'm like, come on, what the fuck? I don't know. That's just my long winded rant about that. But there's, there's a little more, there's a little more legal detail around the edges there too that I want to fill in so.

Yeah, I want that. Why? Why? This is why I wanted to ask you. Because I I don't know. I honestly don't know. So he so the guy they picked up, right? Which, and I don't entirely disagree with what you're saying by the wayside, but I I want to kind of fill in a little bit here. So the guy they picked up, which is actually interesting. How like the media coordinates, like a lot of phrasing of stuff like they're calling him a

Maryland man. Like, I don't know if you guys have picked up on that all the Democratic pop because they can't call him an American, but this they're they're all saying. Maryland family man, Yeah. Maryland, man, Maryland, all the politicians. Too, Yeah. But anyway, so they he so correct, he was deported accidentally by what they're saying is administrative error. He is an he is a citizen of El Salvador. He was in the United States illegally. What happened was to your point, he had an OR.

There was an order entered that said he could not. It wasn't that he couldn't be deported. It said he couldn't be deported back to El Salvador because he had made the claim that Ms. 13 was basically after him for some reason and that he would be in danger if he was deported back to El Salvador. So what? So what ends up happening is through administrative error, they deport him back to El Salvador. The issue, there's a couple different things going on here.

So #1 the, the, the, the, that order was violated. And then the other thing I really want to drill down on, because there's an intentional obfuscation around what this means, is that he was denied due process. A lot of people think that means a trial. Those are different rights under the Constitution. Your right to a trial is. That is not a right that illegal aliens have under the Constitution. Everyone has right to due process. Not everyone has the right to a trial.

The 6th Amendment does not apply to illegal aliens. That's very clear under the under the law and. It never. It never has. And it never has. Never has. Yeah, this is like not. I agree with that, yeah. Due process. What that means is there has to be something in place to show that this isn't being done arbitrarily. And I'll kind of give you like a random example. This is not meant to be exact. It was, it's meant to be directionally accurate.

If they had picked him up, it doesn't even have to be a judge put him in front of an administrator and said like, can we verify this guy's here illegally? And they said yes, stamped it, threw him on the plane and sent him back to El Salvador. That would have been due process. Like this does not have to be like a six month trial. There doesn't have to be evidence. And like, no, it's just there has to be like a process in place. So that's one thing I want to drill down on.

Number 2 is once he is in El Salvador, he is a citizen of that country, right? So he is theirs. Like, it's not. He is now in his home country, whether or not he returns to the United States. And of course, there's diplomacy and things that could be done, but that is not like an American judge cannot order that. And the Supreme Court didn't order that. They just said you had to facilitate it for that reason because the Supreme Court cannot mandate how the president

handles foreign affairs. So they can't force him to like go and try to, you know, trade something away to El Salvador to get released. He's under the the that sovereign nation's control and he's a citizen of that nation. Couple more things that I want to fill in here that are sort of relevant to the situation. So like when when Stephen Miller says that he's not lying, that he's like legally and factually

correct. The other issue was the other issue is there again, Miller is correct about there is no world where this guy could come back and not then and that that he would they would then be restricted from immediately deporting him. And let me explain what that means by a couple things. Number one, MS13 no longer exists in El Salvador because they're all in the supermax,

right? So the like, first of all, they could just put him in front of a hearing officer or whoever and say there's no more MSR Ms. 13, that's factually true. That gets stamped and he goes right back to El Salvador, right? He's in Secot because El Salvador says that he is an MS13 gang member, right? There's there's debate about that, but. Chicken the egg thing, yeah. Correct and but that also could be the reason he's afraid of them if he got out of there,

right? Like the, you know, they're chicken. But that's, again, that's like an El Salvador issue, like 'cause they, he's. It's kind of ironic that he's going into the prison that he's supposed to be, yeah. Yeah. You're right. I was going to say like if, if, if this is legit MS13, I do not care. I don't like the sympathizing and I don't. Like MS13 is terrifying. Yeah, yeah, and I sorry I cut

you off. Go. Go on. No, no. The last point I'll make is even if that weren't the case and MS13 was still active, all that happens is you bring them back, they go in front of that hearing officer, he stamps to port and he just has to be sent to some third country. We have agreements with countries on this stuff. That's like presumably even worse for this guy. I imagine some, if you're just some random Salvadoran, where are we going to drop you off? Like in Egypt or some crap like,

like, you know, like. Yeah, right, right. But. I'm I'm arguing that that's probably what should have happened in the 1st place, like. Yes, it. Probably can't stay here, can't go to El Salvador legally. Whatever however you feel about that, just go to Venice just anyway, you know? And that's why I'm saying like this, this whole thing is kind of, it's almost like a spectacle and like a, it's almost, I don't know if there's some deeper strategy here or whatever I

think. It's that they just don't want to look weak on these issues and they don't want to give it. Honestly. I don't. I'm not saying you're wrong, because like what? You're saying? There is a logic to what you're saying and I but I think it's more so just like we don't want to appear weak, we want to see like we're in control and especially to our base seem like we got it under control. And also this guy was, you know, even though we made this error,

he was supposed to be deported. Does it look bad? Yeah, it does. Like I will admit that. Like it's they should have just to your point side, they should have put him in front of the officer. They would have been like, OK, we're sending him to Guatemala or wherever, you know, wherever we have some deal cut and he's out of here, you know. And I yeah. And I think, I don't know, I think, and obviously it's it's

this is like one dude. And I do think there are probably are other cases where it might not be so clear. And then like JD Vance is kind of doing this. He's like replying on Twitter to these like random, like Zaid Johani or whatever. And, and I, and I like, I like JD Vance. You know, I'm not like, I like him, but he's clearly like not addressing the substance of what is being talked about. He was just saying he's oh, he's MS13, he's Ms. 13. That's like obviously like the

liberal side. They don't care about that. And I hate when they defend criminals that are just destroy the fabric of our society and make it unsafe. You know, I don't not like, I don't like that. But I think they got caught in like a weird situation where they have to kind of tiptoe around it and dance around it. And again, it's hard. I I understand the the base behind this is the millions and millions of people they got let in over the last five years. I mean, it's a mess.

It's a. Mess right now. Yeah. And so I don't, I don't know. It just seems like, I don't know. It's like I just feel I can't be the only one feeling this way on a lot of this stuff. And thank you for clarifying all the legalities of it. And I, I think that's rock solid, you know? Yeah, and I, by the way, I also agree with you that the real, the bigger, like I hope they continue to deport people particularly, but not only, you know, criminals. And the, the bigger issue

though, is E-Verify. That's the like the hot potato everyone's afraid to touch 'cause that E-Verify means that you can solve maybe not 100% of the problem, but you can solve a lot of it without having to need the manpower to deport anybody. That's what I meant by I. That's what I meant by ice. About not trusting Ice is like, I don't trust. I don't. E-Verify, all it means is like if you hire someone, you have to put their information through it like a national database. This exists.

It's just not mandatory today to verify that they are legally allowed to work in the United States, that they're not an illegal alien, that they're either here on a proper visa or they're a citizen or whatever. And if you're an employer, when people talk about mandatory E-Verify, what they want, what I'm arguing for is like, if you're an employer and you don't do that, you should just get shut. Down. I agree. I agree with punishing business for that. So that's really agree. Yeah.

So that so that's I've start. I've seen a few people say if we were more serious about this as a country or as an administration, we would just go after that root cause right there, at least, at least as like a warning or like a gunshot fired in the air. Like, hey, like, you can't do this. Or you as an employer might go to prison or might get punished or something. Yep, Yeah, No, that's the way to do it because that's what will actually solve like the root of a lot of problems.

Ironically, the one thing it doesn't solve is like the criminal gang problem, but that's where the deportations come in. But for everybody else, and like the wages and, you know, just the the wage depression issue from too much immigration, it does solve that problem. There's a lot of very insincere arguments against E-Verify where they're like, oh, with like a privacy violation and your freedom. It's like, bro, do you get on an airplane? Because like if, like unless.

You're not. Flying, yes, exactly. Like, unless you're not flying, bro. Like what? Like, what are we even talking about right here in terms of yeah. Yeah, cuz part of the part of the schizophrenic thing that has been induced by the last five years, the especially, you know, for me, I always have these problem, you know, flashbacks to the possible rollouts of vaccine passports and, and things like

that. So I'm always like skeptical when there's this new like verification process coming in. There's a big debate I see amongst my ilk on the Internet of, of REAL ID, like the REAL ID, which I still don't get why, why like I don't go why there's real. I don't understand anything about it, but I they were trying to roll out the REAL ID during COVID, I remember. And then they put it back. They put it. Well, no. So like here's this is actually

really interesting. So this all happened after September 11th. Basically they said, look, there's going to be a phase in period. States have to do at least this higher level of identity verification to get your ID. That's basically real ID, right? And it, there's also, I believe a national database component to it. Most states did this 15 to 20

years ago. So for instance like my state implemented real ID in 2010. So like this is like not an issue like I have a real ID without even thinking about this. Basically all what what happened though is the government kept pushing back the deadline where you had to have a real ID to fly. Primarily the news reporting doesn't capture this because of New Jersey, because New Jersey kept screwing up the roll out like it was not a civil liberties thing by the New

Jersey government. They kept screwing it up so badly that they rolled it out twice, like over the past 20 year, 15 years, whatever it is, and it just failed. Like they literally could not get it right. Like they tried to roll it out initially there.

They tried to do a thing like you needed a special appointment at certain DMVS to get the real ID and otherwise you got like a non real ID. And they just kept screwing it up. And the the feds pushed back the deadline to fly primarily because people that lived in New Jersey were having such a tough time getting them. And then basically Kristi Noem came out like a few weeks ago and said, as of May, whatever the date is, like, you can't fly without it. We're done punting on this.

The only place where this is really for the most part causing chaos is New Jersey because tons of people there do not have real IDs. In most other states, almost everyone, if not everyone has had at least one license renewal because it's been in effect so long where they now have a real ID. The there's also edge cases where there's like people that let their license expire and like they don't have one like and stuff like that.

But for the most part, like I just recently I was travelling in Texas and the Uber driver when I was coming back from the airport had the radio on and they said like in Texas, 99.6% or something like that of people in Texas had that, that, that were, that had ID had real ID, right? Like just to give you an example of what this is like in most places, because like I said, most states like implemented

this in like 20/10/2011. It's just, I think New Jersey's the only one I'm aware of where they just, they, I don't, I don't even understand how they could have screwed it up so badly, but they did. It's. Crazy, I know. I still have to get mine. Actually, we have California's a nightmare right now. You have to like go make an appointment at the ID only DMV California DMV thing and Lord knows what the sanctuary state

that we are like. Oh, maybe that maybe I'm the California had some issues with it too. I wasn't aware of that. Big time issues. It's well and I don't, I don't know, I know I have to do it, so I'm going to but like. I I thought that I was always just relying on that you can have a passport and be good as in airport. Passport is a passport is a real idea. Yeah, I don't have a passport, so yeah, yeah, I need, I need, I should get.

That yeah, this is only, it only matters if you either don't have a passport or you're flying without your passport. If you're just trying to fly with like domestically with your

driver's license. Oh, OK. Yeah, like this, Like I said, not an issue for me because my state implemented it in 2010. Gosh. Yeah, that's crazy. All right, well, the last thing I want to ask you about too is is RFKI mean? That's kind of my disappointment a little bit right now. And I maybe I'm it look, it's been what, 100 days? I'm I'm I I've never been more excited about a person getting

power to be honest than RFK. After years of reading Children's Health defense, covering stuff as we have on here, size long standing history with Children's Health defense as a as a subscriber when you were in what, like middle school? Yeah. And and it's crazy. I can't believe. That you are a child defending your own health. Yeah, yeah, seriously. How I got it, I think I just fell down the Mercola rabbit hole like super young weirdly and like that. Just let me.

That's yeah, awesome. Now there's I I have higher standards for him than I do other people. I just do. And that's the problem. It's, it's kind of this, it, it becomes this thing when you shill for a guy, when you go crazy, you're kind of like, I, I need this to happen Now there there's, there's the food dye stuff, which I, I, I, I anticipate it's going to be a long drawn out process. A lot of businesses is going to be a lot of money that he's going to have to fight against

there. But the other day he's, he's touting MMR vaccine. And however, I, I understand maybe all of our listeners, not everyone's going to be in agreement with me on it. I, I definitely don't support the combined three in one shot of MMR. I just, I just think that's kind of an autism bomb. Just my speculation. And just kind of a it just seems like a lot of stuff points that way in my opinion.

But there were two children, I believe one was a Mennonite kid and then another child that died in the hospital of measles. That's what we're that's what we're told. They were unvaccinated. They died of measles. Now, in my mind, I think they were a little bit more malnourished and stuff kind of just neglected. Yeah. Unvaccinated as a side of neglect rather than actual, you know, care from parents who raise healthy children but don't give them vaccines.

But it kind of feels like, you know, a lot of I'm not accusing the hospitals of anything, but if I was, RFKI really wanted him to to investigate those hospitals. But he kind of does this this party line thing. And sure, maybe there's a game of politics you have to play where he's saying like, that's still the best treatment against autism is the three shot thing. I have his and I I have his. Treatment against measles. Measles.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. Because I have his measles books that literally doesn't say that I have it. He wrote a book that, that, that that doesn't say that's the best treatment against it. So it's how I learned how that vitamin A is a great, is a great treatment for measles. So where are you at with all this? And I understand he cannot just RIP. He can't rug pull, right? He can't rug pull The medical industry. I, I know they can't do that.

It's just some of the messaging kind of bothers me a little. Yeah, I get it. And so, I mean, as to the actual issue, like I've heard some of the measles stuff, but I don't I'm not well informed enough on the the specific issue. To the broader point though, I don't know.

It's hard to say sometimes. My, my assumption always in situations like that is that he's picking battles like I'm not my first impulse is not to be a black pill guy like is, is generally like, is he picking battles here and going at and picking select targets And just on the things like MMR, which maybe he views as less of a problem than some other things that he's going to expend political capital on. Do you know what I'm saying? That that's my best guess.

Yeah, cuz I, cuz what I, what I get is like, I get for like optics. You don't want to come out and be like mark of the beast on Twitter. You know what I mean? Like, I get that. I understand why that's a bad idea. I, I always roll my eyes at people who I agree with who are like, no RFK, like, you know, do the like, you know, Arnold Schwarzenegger predator, like loading the gun thing, like let's go take him down. Like, no, this guy is a lawyer.

Like this guy understands that these, this is a long drawn out process that you have to do that. I guess my my take on it is those measles deaths are used against him more than anybody. So in my opinion, I'm like, Dan, you, you kind of I'm not. I'm not going to accuse the the hospitals of of doing stuff. I I'd imagine there were, I understand hospitals did a lot of martyring of people I should say in in 2020 and that a lot of that. I'll pose the question. I'll pose it.

Yeah, I'll pose it. Yeah, yeah. But you know, I guess I think people understand what I'm trying to say is to me, these are these deaths are made for people to like Pearl clutch and say we have an absolute freak as our HHS secretary right now. This is going to happen in droves and droves and droves where to me I'm like, you're not gaining a lot of followers by saying MMR vaccine is the is the

best. Treatment I agree there, but it might have been a thing where like if he had said that it's not the better treatment whatever interests there are in favor of the MMR vaccine, what would have gone ballistic and made it a bigger story than it was and I think that's where the the picking battles might have come in just like look, I'm going to take I'm going to take a lump on this you know either way, but if I do it this way it especially with Abrego Garcia

going on right now who we just talked about dominating the news cycle. This'll do, you know what I mean? Like this'll kind of like flip Peter out and I lived a fight another day. That's a complete speculative guess. On my, yeah, it's all speculation. I mean, nobody, I guess The thing is nobody really knows. It's there. It's it's just and, and and I guess, you know, to me, I am, I, I do like, I'm bullish on him long term for like food and stuff.

Even though I know he's HHS and he's not technically agriculture, I do think he's going to have the ability to like influence that side of it because he is such a polarizing figure, whether you people either hate him or think he's the best person. Nobody's an RFK centrist. And I, I, I like the stuff going after the food dies. I love going. I, I liked the, the SNAP stuff too. Like, I like, I like, I like all

that. So I don't know, I we haven't asked you about any of that stuff, but how do you feel about? Yeah, I mean the, and those, I mean those dyes are, if I'm recalling correctly, they're already illegal in Europe. So it's not even like a crazy thing like this is. I mean, everybody's seen this before, but like, you pick some random packaged food and you look at the ingredients, which is probably not good for you

either way. But like, look at the ingredients list in the European Union and then look at the ingredients list in the United States, and it's like 5 times as many ingredients, right? And you can't pronounce any of them. So someone proves that there's like not a great reason for allowing these things in the food. Yeah, I think Vinay Prasad, who is kind of weird and a little, you know, not everyone in this

space trusts him. I I don't fully trust him, but he wrote an article that was like, and to his credit, he supports RFK and he is like, let's take every mainstream RFK issue and let's compare his take to what they do in Europe and everything, you know, fluoride dies in the food.

Everything was like. And that's why it's ironic that like the dirtbag leftist thing of, oh, no, you're taking away my red 40. It's all the stuff they do in Europe, which they love and they think that's like a utopia over there. And so or fluoride or all this stuff. It's crazy. I will say the, the health warriors are like that. You know, they're like, and I guess I am 1 and you guys probably too are there. We're like, like kind of like

single issue guys. So it's like, if you're not going after MMR, like you're dead to me. And we had a discussion in our little group about where it was kind of like, you know, I don't think we should be blackmailing. No, for sure. And I I agree. And I'm, I don't think you are, Glenn at all. No, No, But yeah. But but also, you know, yeah. You know, it begs the question, like, is there a little blackmail going on? Is, you know, it's just interesting. It's interesting.

Thought experiment You cannot. But pharma's tough. I mean pharma's. Tough. It's the, it's the, it's the toughest nut to crack out of all of them, I think. Weirdly enough, and he is a Kennedy. And he is a yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So there's a lot. Yeah. No, I mean that those are valid points to your. I mean, but what's kind of funny too is like the stuff you're talking about being banned, it's like, it's not even just like EU, it's like Russia bans a lot

of that stuff. You know what I mean? Like even just I like if for instance, I think Russia even bans glyphosate, which like in the United States, you're considered like a like a nut if you think that. Somebody. There was a, there was a billboard somebody like drove by and I, I don't know if I'm getting it correct, but it was just like I, I, I think I have

it here. It was somebody in our, in our discord that said that it was something like they drove by and it was something about like, Oh yeah, somebody saw a billboard. I don't know where this is but it said quote control weeds, not farmers. Stand up for glyphosate. Yeah, there's a big push. That's one. Weird billboard. That's so weird. It's the same billboard like I've never. Seen. Yeah, it's in. Yeah. I mean the it's kind of like

yeah, the the farmers. First of all, it's weird what a farmer is. Now how it's, you know, like that's your. New Matt Walsh documentary What is a Farm? Yeah, what is? No, but it's like now, you know, you're either like a doing you're, you're right. You're either buying like $2,000,000 worth of chemicals every quarter as like a giant Iowa farm that's just raising pig slot, you know, pig grain or

whatever. Or you're like a medium farm fighting this and you're getting sued because Monsanto's seed blows under your field or whatever, even though they say that doesn't happen. It's kind of questionable what it does. But yeah, it's interesting. Glyphosate's ironic. It's it's probably safer to use Roundup on your lawn and handle it like a few times a year than it is to eat it sub, you know, like chronically eat it chronically every day, like in parts per billion.

You know where it wrecks your microbiome and shit, but it's. Yeah, I mean, almost undoubtedly so. Right? Like, yeah, that's like one of the funnier parts about this whole thing. Yeah, I know. I, I, you know, like I said, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not black Pilling, but I do feel a responsibility to be like, like there is a, it's, there's a more concrete path that I want to see And I really like we've talked about it. What I actually expect of him.

I don't expect him to go like joker mode and like blow up vaccine stuff, you know, like I, I like, I don't expect him to do

that. I expect him to win, you know, or at least start a legal battle, start the thing where it's just like transparency, because we know anybody who's been in this stuff for a long time understands that like they're these people are like burning like clinical trials, like straight up. And there's just a lot of stuff that happened and I was excited getting like a lawyer in there.

And I, and again, that's type of stuff where if there is, and this is a guy who, you know, by his own admission had some transgressions in his past. So there could be a lot of stuff. Be like, hey, you haven't told everybody everything that you did in your past. So I it's just, it's tough. And I again, not black Pilling, but I, I was just like, man, I need to, he needs a push from me. Yeah. What is interesting, I, I wonder if he'll like this.

So the easy mode to start on if you wanted to do vaccine stuff is to start poking around MLNA vaccines, right, Because it's easy, right? Because it's, I mean, not, I guess not everyone would agree, but let's say many people would agree those are both the least effective and most dangerous. I think that's I think you're objectively true. I think this was a jet a genuinely yeah, even if you hate all of them, even if you're like get Get Me Out.

I will never I I don't want any of that stuff in my blood. The mRNA 1 specifically because of how we knew how to treat the virus and what it did and the ticket out of things like and then what it has done to people. I'm sorry. We all know somebody that's had some issue with it. You're right. It's objectively the worst one, like. Right, it's mandated for children and infants still, which is crazy. That's what he should. Where there's states that

actually mandate. It well they what it is is and you'd be interested in this as a legal guys what it's such it's a like shell game where the CDC recommends that you know if you're if you're three months so that you get 3 under 3 mRNA code vaccines under the age of 1 is this if you were taking it and then California, let's say we'll be like we're following CDC guidelines and so they treat. Us. So we're gonna mandate it. Yeah, but we're not. But we're or. But it's like, oh hey, no one's

forcing you. But since somebody recommended it, we will codify it into law and basically inconvene inconvenience you until you take your. Child yeah, it's like, right. Like you can't go to school or you can't like live. Like that's what they tried to do even with the vaccine passports was like, well, you don't have to get it. You just can't live, live in civil society without it, right? Like you just can't ever. The funniest one was I never had an issue with that.

My state didn't do anything like that. But during the, during COVID, during the vaccine era of COVID, I flew into Philadelphia International Airport and they, the way they, the city of Philadelphia had vaccine passports. So I was allowed to be in the airport because like that's federal and like you, you're, you were still allowed to get on an airplane.

But I could not eat anything in the airport because technically if I went into all of the stores, like all the stores that sell food in the airport or the restaurants in the airport, those were under the city restaurant vaccine passport. So like they had people checking if you, if you wanted to go into the little thing to buy food. So I couldn't get anything to eat or drink in the airport, but I could be in the airport.

Yeah. And so you have to shoulder tap like a kid in high school trying to buy beer. Yeah. Yeah. That's like, yeah, that's like Kyrie Irving can't play at home games in the Nets or something. You know that. Was the funniest one, Yeah. He couldn't play at Barclays Center. I remember that, yeah. Yeah, but then he would go play a game at the Dallas or something. They're like, yeah, sure, no problem. And so, yeah, it was just, it

was ridiculous. I know America does the weirdest, does the weirdest, like soft authoritarianism sometimes, like where it's just like, you know, yeah, I'm thankful that we're not just people like, oh, he landed in Philadelphia. Go inject him. You know, like, I'm, I'm glad that we don't live in that society. But there's this like weird death by paper cut thing that we do when you don't comply. And it's just like, like, it's really.

They they're like Americans love convenience so much they will cave in. Shout out to you for not doing it. But yeah, I just. I love that. One of the funnier ones too, is like, I had a speaking engagement and it wasn't the organization or that I that I declined and it wasn't the organization. So I didn't blame them per SE, but like it was in a venue in a state where you would have had to have had it. And I remember them asking me, I don't know why I find this so funny.

They asked me like, oh, do you have the vaccine? And I was like, well, which one? Yeah. Yeah, no, that's an interesting. Part they were so mad there I was like cuz I like I was making a joke kind of like I've had some but not this sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Back in the day maybe. Yeah, no. And that. I think that points to, like a

weirder, broader thing. During that whole time where they were saying you could mix and match like Johnson and Johnson and modern, you know, they it was just all you just got to do this thing, science be damned, you know, combinations be damned. It was very strange, yeah. That's so strange. Well, Fredo, we thank you for your time, man. It's always, always fun catching

up with you. And we will, we'll try not to make it such a long gap like last time, but you know, we always like to check in. You add the, you add the nuance to something that I've researched barely. So I always love that. It's always fun guys. It's it's been a long time, but it felt like old times. Felt like old times. Felt like old times, but not as scary. Not as scary. Correct. Actually significantly less scary. We're back. We're so back. Yeah, when we had Alex Guten tag

on, it was the same thing. We were just like, man, we used to talk. We used to be like so scared while we were talking to her and stuff because it would just be scary. I would I suck. It was a bad condition. I'm like I feel better and the stuff I'm complaining about is like in the completely. It's like these like little parts of of things that I genuinely like, you know, so that's that's a better place to be. I'll always complain a little bit. So it's that's just something

that's going to happen. But you guys make sure you guys are if you're not checking out the good old boys radio live with Fredo. You guys are it's every week, right? I know it's. Yep, every Tuesday. Night, night and you can catch it on X now. So if you guys don't even have to have a podcast that though you're probably listening to this on that. So I don't know why you wouldn't. But anyways, yeah, everybody have a safe week. We'll catch you guys next time.