Rap Radar: Sauce Walka

because I actually don't even know the answer. What are your what are your early memories of hip hop beat out, Like, what was the what was your entry point to fall in love with hip.

I see all this ship by fit. Nobody mentions hammer. That's a come on, man, forget your hammer. Yeah, we gotta get hammer, get hammer. We got your hammer. We gotta get Hamm On the podcast, man fuck that. You know he's bad. But he's from Oakland, like the white my white dad yell. He's married to the town. You know what I'm saying, Oakley Man, you have a baby. I think we have to make that call earlier. But also, you know the other ones I always keep biging up

there with really changed my life is running MC. You know, growing up in Queens. I don't think they get the credit for being that group that really first brought hip hop to the world. To me, you know what I mean, nationwide, worldwide, global, and I think with Queens, like like I wanted to get your take like being from Southside, Like, how privateful are you when like the Lost Boys bow up or fifty cent blows up? Like, how does that connect to you being from that neighborhood?

contributions to hip hop. Man.

Like it's like, yo, we've been I've heard his name for so long, and he said I met him back in the day, but like I hadn't really connected to his music until it was time to do this interview, and like I'm a new fan. Man, I really feel like he's dope, and I feel like this interview is a great introduction of him to the public that may not be up on it on his ship and also the ones that are riding for him. Like he's got a strong fan base already, so I think this is like the ultimate interview he's.

I got out of jail twenty thirteen, and I blew up like towards the end of that year, beginning the twenty fourteen to Legit the Quid. It became like original hit record. At the moment be forth with too, legit with it, he said, we met back in the day. That's exactly what we meant right around that time. That's why it's really amazing. It's brazy and it's a it's a full circle mama for me writing there. Meeting you Wayne, that was like it South. No, that was in Houston

twenty thirteen. It was maybe fourteen at the most. Uh that was it was like a little music uh uh uh. It wasn't no convention like there's like a listening party or something. It was g Look LaToya Looker's brother, Gavin look Att and my brother be Done Brandon, like one of the producers from Houston to GMB Productions. Matt about me, I think it was something Debbie daff had me out there. That's that's what it was. Yeah. Yeah, so we met

at that party. We met at that point. We met that party, and I was I wasn't no superstar at that point. I was like, I was just like a little change looking like this. Yet I got a little basic ball judging and said, but they told me who you was, and I ran up on you and I was, oh, I'm sorry, I'll be the biggest story that you ever seen as far and outside. I Got'm gonna say this

being called and this is who I are. You was like, yeah, you guys got a lot of energy they see, you know, I think they end up playing some of my music then the performance and at the end of the night, you ain't extra. My information was like, okay, who am I whatever? The rejected your talent because you know, you know, it just ain't never seen all the energy and like how it was how I am? You know, I'm just always being different. You said you're hyper, right, like yeah,

extremely hyper, like overly hyper. You know what I'm saying. I got an extra exhorted amount of energy. It's just that I always got to get the energy out of me because I'm like a big old battery. I just throw energy, so I got to always put it out to keep me level.

only Fans account. Absolutely that I did. Take a quick look. I won my thirty dollars back. There's a lot of you want my god was every boy ain't bumping because it's a lot of fine wine women on the I cap for that.

attracted to beautiful women. So when it came out to where you can make money legitimately illegally during COVID, when a lot of people was like losing off financial, falling off financially and wasn't having the same opportunities that they had, a lot of artists, wasn't touring a lot of artists, wasn't performing, wasn't getting paid those fifty sixty two hundred thousand dollars shows. I'm generating three four hundred thousand dollars

every two weeks. Because everybody had to sit in the house, and stream streaming became the most It became the biggest way for people in America the past time doing their moment was to watch things doing streaming platforms, whether that was podcast, whether that was only fans, whether there's music videos.

And by me being an independent artist, I already understood the formatity and the formation of making the residuals and a monthly revenue from having from owner the ownership of your streaming and your your music electronics so I've always had my my YouTube, my Spotify, my iTunes. All that is, I've been syndicated and paid out through one source to me throughout the majority of my career for my distribution situation. So I've alread now this way before, way before. My

Empire is a new partnership that I'm trying out. I love it, I love the whole staff and the team over there, but I've been had a different situation with a different distribution company away before that. But I've been independent my entire career. I've never had no fund or nothing like that. So I really understand generating money from ad means and plays and streaming and stuff like that.

So it just made sense to convert the same strategy of monopolizing streaming through music videos and audio because you get paid twice the same song that you released as an audio when you release it as a music video. That's a separate payment. There's the seventh seventh level of revenue. And then you can also multiply that put that same

song on multiple different platforms. So your Spotify check is not your items shaking it tooms check, not your TI to check it TA to check, not your Pandora check. These are all different platforms. It's paying you different amounts of money for the amount of streams that you were able to accumulate. So I just took that same formation and put that with the own fans and just made multiple accounts for each person's account that I managed, and

it just made sink other people's accounts too. Yeah, yeah, for sure, you vertically integrated. Man, I just gotta make man, how did you become someths about business? Because you preached that like ten years in independent career on your own terms, But you know, you talk about making passive income, Like how did you become so knowledgeable of the business. But I'm from Houston tentions and being from Houston and me just being very a cultural person, like it always made

sense for me to retain ownership. I always I came into the lat game with a certain amount of money. I wasn't just like the richest person in the world, but I'd already cracked six figures. I already understood what it felt like to hell two three, four hundred thousand

dollars to my aim, if not much more. But I especially like reoccurring going back and forth, like you know what I'm saying when I met you, I had it was like you said, there wasn't these side change, but I asked some changes, the diaminants, little gold grill whatever. I was like. You know what I'm saying. I was I was always coming up. I had the beans outside and say these beans outside. You know. I was always like able to generate some type of revenue to investing

to myself. So once you already have a certain amount of money and you begin and you start a company and it reached some type of success, it's kind of like your baby. It's kind of like your child for number one. So you don't want to sell something that you created for number one. But from a business standpoint, it's a lot of people that create businesses and create systems that don't generate money within the first two years

or first year. They have to be in a hole that they got to wait on their return the investment. I start making money immediately. I start trying to be a recordist. So by me start making money immediately from doing shows, features of concerts, and I'm also receiving chicks from my streaming is from all of the albums that I released. I started looking at my albums like a neighborhood, like each apartment complace. Each album is an apartment complace,

Each song is a unit. If I'm making six seven hundred dollars to fifteen hundred dollars to twenty five hundred dollars person a month from a twenty song album, that's a whole apartment compleax. Why would I sell sell that, the sell my catalog or sell those albums just to get a loan of money. So like me just being from Houston and seeing so many of the legends and the stars to come out before me stay independent and didn't have longevity of still having money twenty forty years,

thirty years past. They they hey they or they they primed. That's what you said, a little flip still driving the rose or driving them continue called switching cars whenever you want to. Because he never sold this catalog and even when they got record deals, they was able to livers and levers their situation to where they didn't have to sell everything thing. I only get some money or to get some support.

I just wanted to put myself in a situation where I always owned the neighborhoods that I created that made me a millionaire before I decided or decide to work with a major company. Yeah, I just you know it makes sense. I just want to learn it before I do it.

a person more or less than a business. Even though this person has an LLC up under their name, it's under so much that you can write out for makeup and travel and surgeries and stuff like that. So, I mean, when you're making a lot of money, it may pan out if you're not making a lot, But once you start making a lot of money, you got four different accounts, five different models or whatever going up and down. You

got to pay the taxes on that every year. And me just being a supportive person and an understanding person. I'm not gonna let nobody fall short on they taxes because in the midst of the making the money and then join the success, they wasn't thinking about the financials. Then at the end of the year you have to pay a certain amount of it's back to the government.

That just all comes with financial literacy. And that's just like something that I try to teach and help people with around me that just because you make money don't mean that you have them all the money that you're making. That's why you have to always have the unburning, the burning desire to continue to make money. You got to always want to make money. And the true goal is to make money when your body is not physically moving.

The best money is this passive money, residual income, money that's being generated when you're not physically trying to make it because of some move or some investment or some system that you set in place, it's already you know

what I'm saying, Recycling your dollar. That's what I try to preach to people the most, because if you have money that's making money for you when you're not consciously trying to make money, then when you get hit with those bills that come random or you know what I'm saying, you're prepared for them. You always prepared for a rain to day because you always have extra money road in the extra finances. That's why you're fished in the pandemic. Absolutely,

I'm flashing before the pandemic. Pandemic just it just set the stage to show some people wasn't exactly what they were rapping about, or some people are exactly what they're rapping about. And I just so happen to be on that other side of walk. You got your CPA on the load with something in Yeah, I have a CPA, But before I have the CPA, I just always I've

been smart. I play stupid. I've been smart. I'm not as smart as I could be or I should be, because you know, I spend a lot of my time dripping or do you know, having fun video games, well not video games and more like I used to. But I am a majors doing other ship. It's not necessarily like seeking knowledge of you know what I'm saying, strengthening my my psyche, But sometimes I do. But I've read a lot of books growing up, like thinking gir rich

By Napoleon. Hell uh so the forty eight Laws of Power for their laws of seduction of all types of books, some books, you know, that's a lot of stuff.

it's a it's a science behind the madness. It's a structure in a red print behind everything that I do and the experiences that I've been through in life and the things that I've seen have downloaded in my brain in such a way that I can always regurgitate or reenact or rewrite these experiences or things that I've seen somebody else go through, or just pain that I feel or lost that I felt, or it's loss that I've seen other people go through, because you know, it's a

difference between struggling and then actually like losing people that you love or losing a child or something like that. That's a different level than just struggle. You know what I'm saying. You can struggle your whole life, but struggle with the people that you love, and you still got to make good memories and build a stronger bun. But you still got through your whole life with your mother,

your father, your sisters and brothers. You got people that have to witness their mothers and fathers die in their arms, and things like that that I've experienced. So like me being on face time with my little brother go Hun while my mam and Daddy his ouns, while she's on a way to drive to Houston to come to move Tohty with me, while my little brother go Hun gotta FaceTime me my mama, dad and his owne crime bullets

coming out. You know, like we've seen this. I've seen so much in life to where I feel like a duty or a job, or like I feel a responsibility to use my knowledge and my experience and my platform to give some type of guidance or some type of soothing or healing, or just even if I could provide someone's skill set and information to just make them a better person, to make them better prepared for some of the things that happened to me unexpectedly that I just

have to deal with. I'll be hoping that my music can help them through that at times, because I know that's what it's done for me. But at the same time, I don't like to get too make sad music so much, to make heartfelt music so much that I get taking out the space of being an entertainer and taking out the space of being a you know, a hit making artists or exciting or artists or artists that people may listen to in the club or just you know, to

feel good and have fun. So sometimes I have to do be my other self and you know, be obnoxious and be crazy or just exciting, and because that's still me too, And the things that I wrap about on the other side of my artistry is like also things that I've been through that made me who I am, you know what I'm saying, made me have more money, made me more successful, made me up a something perspective

towards relationships with women or just life in general. I wouldn't change my style or my build up and my makeup for nothing. I feel like it made me the warrior and the super saying that I am in a rap gang. That's why I've been able to be in a rap gang for ten years independently, and I'm still relevant. I'm still a talk of the industry at all times.

I'm still frequently listening to Spotify members stay in the millions like yeah, you know, but if you're sitting here with La it will say, yeah, this is all of the breaks and something about the dangerous Dreger and like the energy around you right now, it just feels like you're about to take it to another level. Do you feel that? Yeah, because I'm finally acting like a rapping not just the unest to god truth. I yeah, don't.

I usually don't really act like a rapper, like I wrap, but I'm like everybody, anybody that knows me and follows me, you know, it's over everything. I'm a hustler, I'm an entrepreneur. I've been rapping for so long. It's such a high level and especially in a competitive level, but also again retaining the purpose in the the the game playing to never signed into a major record like where it's just been my personal desire just want to just break them

out and do something different. But I also understand the disposition that it always put me into. So you know what I'm saying for some artists, For certain people, it makes sense for them to sign the major RECORDA was a major dis to get to where they're going faster album, chasing something different. But with understanding the handicap that I

that I've taken. You gotta understand that I've been rapping for so long with the understanding of knowing I'm going to be successful regardless if I take the I wouldn't say it's the easier route being signed, but rather I take the professional route or I take the independent route. I know I'm going to be successful, So now I have to pick what styles and reps and what genres I want to I would like myself to follow up under between this five year spind and then the next

five year spind. Then that's my first decade. Now I'm moving to my next decade, and then each each different artists a different chapter of my artistry that I allow people to fall in love with. That's a different generation of people that's gonna support and they might grow up and mature too, and now they want to hear the

get up gospel. Now they didn't been through some things in life to what they wouldn't understand because a lot of people that first got on Saucewapper from the OUI and the drip and the you know, the pimp rap and the sauce and all of it, they only know me from when they was in high school in middle school, and then they went to collage and went through whatever, and then they stopped listening to the Saftwappers. Other things came in their life, but then they come back to

Suthwalla ghettos. So I would say more that it's like I strategically knew when it was time to pull that out, to put to pull their style of rap out and get the bigger audience or get the audience that the true hip hop heads that really respect the art form and the difficulty and the skill set of having lyricism, being a storyteller, and being able to spread a missage that's actually like, has substance to it and meaning to

it that people can live on with. I always say I try to make timeless music instead of hit music. But I still can't make hit records. I was known for making hit records and regional hit records and like just blowing up off in the viral moments of music before I started doing all the crazy into and just exploring the Internet when I realized, oh, it's really easy to make money off Instagram, Like this is like a

Instagram pays, It's like a black card. Once I just kind of realized that, I kind of diversified my hustle to like, Okay, I'm doing the drip wrap. I'm rapping and the world instead in my style, and I'm having this. It's an incredible influence, but I don't want to I don't want to break my original game plan and go sign and a record deal to feel like I got

to compete. So now I gotta find other ways to make even more money, even though I was already making a lot of money from rapping and shows and features and stuff like that. But at the end of the day, it's just like a college basketball player. You play college, you get past a certain level, you go to the sweet sixteen or whatever that shit is final for you

try to win. If you don't win. Now, the next thing to do is to go get your major contract and onter you get your first rookie contract and you passed it, then you go re up for the big con trick. It's a little different in the music industry. If you don't have a catalog in place, and now that you can't, you have nothing to fall back on

without their catalog in place. It's like now you have kids, have the opportunity now, but it's called ir L or whatever that you can make you a couple million dollars to be sitting on before you can go to the actual league and make more millions. And it's kind of the same thing if you're able to. Most people are

able to generate your ketll out to make money. I always made your catalog to make money, so it's like I just knew it was just it was the time to switch over to a different style or rep there's still me because originally I always I rap to get a gospel style. And the struggle and the pain and the countryness that was way before the soft ship, like the south ship came after. When I started living like that, when that happened to my life in real life, I

got out of jail, women start spoiling me. I just start getting out of the women spoiling me. There, I start spoiling me and ship I following my leadership, my life changed. So it's like, I don't want to rap it by sayd sh and struggling and pay them up. But there will be a time to use that again. So I'm gonna just put that to keep that in my rappertoire I keep that in the Yeah, why does it be come of staples like December to drop that

ghetto gospel series? And like, what does that symbolize to you? That's serious? I mean it symbolizes so many different things. One of the main things that it symbolizes that I wanted the best rappers to ever live. Like lyrically, I'm arguably one of the best people to put stories together. And this is not my opinion. This has been the opinion of greats and people that passed. I didn't how many people you get to get jay Z the likes of the jay Z's and DJ premieres and the Darings

and Swiss Beats with beats on stage. Man, I'm busting around his kids to a bust around some on the favorite rappers. That's like for other things that really made me me bus arounds relationship so strong is because his kids put him on me and like had him listening to me for like months and months and years like this this this dude, I was walking like that, you gotta get on him, get on him, like he's the truth. He he's special artist. He just he that whatever for bussers.

Like man, this little dude, this little nigga around me and me like they see the wild the way I asked and you know what I'm saying, just the clothes, the colors, the videos. He was just mine about it by like damn, this little dude from Houston. But he really got balls and he really got lygs. But he crazy. He not afraid to be hisself. But like, damn, I need to meet them type shit. So when I was

in New York and then it was right too. I actually had met bus Arounds some years before that, and uh and like I forget who video should it was, But he had taught me then that he had been seeing me and he was like he was giving me my credit in the salute the ship this white Back then we had took a picture that one of the

first ur pictures they went all on my Instagram. Bus Runs had a big ass dragon pinky ring with a dragon part with a green emlind and I had a big diamond pink splash earring, I mean a pinky ring.

We took a picture with our fingers locked and it was like some he was like he was saying he was passing the torch to me back then before I even achieved something and the ship that I So he really didn't like following my career for years, but his sons, who really like salid Us, flied the relationship like this is our favorite rapper, Like you need to you need to get around him like this who we think the best rap out of everybody, Like he can rap like this,

but then when he can graub like this and get on these balls and he can hit you with this and it's steel balls and the list. So when I met him, like it was like a uh. It was a heartfelt moment for him because it was like my relationship with his sons through music brought him and his sons closer together because that was something that they could always come to the type and talk to, talk about and relate to. And like he just tell me that it was something big in they family sutwalking like they

related on a big note on it. So it was like I met his sons like on the phones and stuff. And in New York again at the BT Awards, I got to meet the whole family and everything. It was a big surreal Mama, because we had all been talking for like a bout two years now, have a lung has been since our first post, the stuff we was out in the studio recording the records and stuff, and Bussa just gave me a lot of game and a

lot of knowledge and a lot of honor. And he really be on me like a father figure too though, Like he really be like telling me citing shit about how I need to be professional, answer the phone or you know what I'm saying, carry myself a certain type of way around people. It's just like he always got

nothing but positive, king empowering energy to get me. But again, that's another one of the greats and one of the icons who look at me as like one of the best lyricists out right now and they understand, and the ones who tell me like, boy, you know, if you would have been signed the did you would have did this a boy. You know if you would have no boy,

you know what I'm saying. But you know, it feels the same as getting a Grammy nominational award for a Swiss Beast or jay Z or you know these are the again, these are even a Wu Tang Clanrialza, those face ray Kun, all of them people love me, Yeah, like them niggas love me. I got pictures with all

of them on Instagram. They'd be sending me my favorite sending me like verses I said, and like these dudes like love me for real, like see me in the mob, be super excited, like sending the jewelis to go to like you know, Ray going being Dada's like he got family out there.

when I was six years old, nineteen ninety six. The first time I the first time I stood in the studio with a real microphone and put the real headphones on my head over my head, and they closed the book about six years old WO making types. But then they used to call them freestyle types, like screw tapes, like a DJ screwtape. Yeah, you know, so like that was like that's how cultures like with you know, screw go.

He'll make us a cassette type for like fifteen of the hottest beats in the hottest songs that's out slowing down, chop them up. But sometimes it would just be a tape of beats and then you a freestyle over those. We said, you can go to a a screw a studio and like influenced by screw and they'll make one for you to the like replicated. So I used to go to the studio call Diamond Cut Studios in King's Fleetmarking in Houston is like a legend. They fleetmarking on

the south side of Houston. It's a DJ and that DJ uh wiz Kid. DJ wiz Kid. He used to like make me like a five six beats. I used maybe like Missie the hot boy. So you know what I'm saying. Then I go in there young and rap men, camera men with Vian's diamonds on my head, mant the girl dens I'm in California, but they feel like friends. He install being and I'm the mother fucking man some shing like that. Yeah, Like you see how I just point he got on being like taking the moment and

then making it a song. Like that's really hard to do. That's complex to do. I've been doing it my whole life since I was a little boy, so from recording freestyle tapes and from six seven, eight nineteen. Even though no matter whatever I went through in life, I was always like found my way to a studio because I had the exceptional level of tenant where people wanted me to be in that studio like a kid they can rap and they're exciting and shit like that, and I

would buy like carry up for machines and practice. And then I started writing reps around probably when I was like nine ten, and then I stopped writing at fifteen. I haven't wrote a rep since I was fifteen years old. I hate righting now. It's like it's kind of like a kid that's been playing football or boxing since they was three years old. Pop Warner Pa or whatever, Paba boxing and Silver Good go to Good Recent Regional all

the way to the Olympics. Like I'm doing battle rap like whatever style and form of rapping, I went through it because it's something that I always wanted to do, is rapping, no matter whatever else I did in life with the game banging, boxing, video games, being a nerd like I've always been in like anime, superheroes and all that other shit like, but I always rapped. I never wanted to be a basketball player, football player. I'm not wanting them rappers. They be like, oh man, you know,

I never wanted to be a rapper. I was just in the trap one day and my boys, bro, you need to go ahead rap, bro, think you kill that? No, that was never me. I was always the pretty boy, beating niggas up, fighting and battle, rapping, rapping and clothes the center of attention in every high school, middle school, whatever I went to as I was skinny, I always been in boyd in my whole life matter whatever struggers I went through, I always been him and I always rapped.

So I always loved hip hop and like the power that it has and the way that music teaches people. You know, ninety percent of the things that you learned in life, or ninety percent of the information that you downloaded your brain is given to you through music. You not your abcs through what music A B, C, D E G. Un like that through music, united timetables. Through music, you buy our advertisement and things to commercials. Jingles have songs with them. Every Apple, everything has a sales piece

to a B. I loving it like every to. Music is like the It's the communication to the soul and like the tank recorder to the brain. It's the easiest way for the brain to retain information is to put it in the song, put it in the melody. And I kind of understand that young is the key. How did you get to be that point? How did you get good at painting? Pictures and really storytelling aspect of it. When do you think you got shot with that in the process. I think I've always been able to do that.

That's what I'm saying, because I always being good at rapping. So when it like again, I probably started writing raps when I was like nine, I've always wrote complex raps though. My mom is. My mom's a drug addic and a strengthen of heroin and crack cocaine, dance strip clus. My father is a struggling athlete and working nine to five jobs whole life while chasing his athletic dream, trying to be a football store or a wrestler, whatever creative idea

came to his mind. My whole other family, all my other external family is dead drug addicts. I never met him before. I'm an only child, Like I went through shit. Yeah, there's somebody. How is it? Like? How can I not tell you about it? How can I not put this in a in a diary form? It's okay, It's like that. It's like a person that's keeping a die. It's like a girl that wroughte a diary a whole life of all her bullshit and sad emotionals. If I'm not no bitch.

I'm a nigga, I'm a gangst I'm a mean I'm a young boy going through my life. But I'm writing raps and poems and poetries. Is about to the point to where my fingers hurt. I don't want to write about this shit no more. It's polluting my brain. It's to the point of where I'm writing so much of my experiences and things that I see going on, the police brutality, my father paying child support for me while I lived with my dad my whole life. I was raised with him, but he was paying child support on me.

This should ain't made sense. I paid off my own child support when I was twenty. When I was about twenty five years old, I finished off my own child support for my dad to him to get out of debt. Wow, I had to pay nineteen thousand dollars in a four thousand dollars little lawyer fee to pay the debt that my dad owe to the government for my child support

for me. So like I've been through again. Shit that even if I was a movie writer, if I wrote scripts, if I wrote dialogue for film, I just have the brain and the capacity to just create stories and situations and explaining in depth because I went through so much and seen from seeing it personally, and my brain was already the type of brain that has a huge photographic memory and a type of brain to download the situation, to remember every single detail of it and then close

my eyes and then it just comestantly planning to open over my head to or when I write a song, even if I'm not gonna even if I'm freestyle and writing, if I'm not gonna say exactly how that happened, I'm gonna create a scenario in a movie, a situation to where you can vividly see, just like the author writing the book, he's gonna he's not gonna just say, uh, it was raining outside and my shade was with you know, the author's gonna say the cold, the cold chill of

the wind blowing across my whiskers as the rain drops fell upon the side of my neck, to my Yeah, it's with the type of trauma and bullshit a nigga seen, and then I'm trying to wrap about it and make you feel what I feel. I can't give you a water down version. I can't give you an undetailed version. For you to see what I'm trying to make you see. So and that's just a skill set and the tenant that I've always had, and I know when it's time to use it and when it's time to exploit it.

And I know it's one of the things that make me better than other artists. It's my attention to detail or the type of metaphors and punchlines that I'm able to put together while still having a deep storyline or a plot twist. It got you with a cliff hanger, like the greatest movie that you're watching, but I still gave you a punchline to make you say oh while you hang it on the cliff for the next moment. I just I always looked at everything as a science.

I don't know this. Maybe that's why my dad named me is. Maybe that's why my name is Albut I've always looked at things things like from an Einstein perspectively, no matter how crazy and wild and the Nazis I am, I'm a genius at the same time. So porm poetry a depth meaning substance in my even when I wrapping about the other shit, the dripping and assumption and the oh I'm doing all that. If you actually listen to the words that I'm saying, it's just it's a story

there too. You can close your eyes and see everything I'm seeing in that too. But this, the get up gospel shit is more relatable to people around the world. More people have been through struggles or witness other struggles, or some people are just fascinated by the struggle because they never went through it themselves. Even if it's not relatable, sometimes humbling for people to hear, or sometimes it is

a warning for people through music. A lot of people make a lot of their life decisions out of the music that they listen to.

because we came from foreign seas. You know what I'm saying. It's my punch, not gaving like four five levels level if you level to it, it's that it's the first base level of police black coming, black people dying. The

queens need seeming. And then you break it down to our queens and us being kings come from overseas, and these queens that are losing the kings and dying, we provide the seamen to them because with men of the seeds from Africa that came up, you know what I'm saying, But we're going to in differently.

me the uila dripping. That's that like again out the whole saft shit that me and my shout out to my twins, such a saucge, like the whole sauce thing came from me making that transition once I got out of gym from like okay, because again, like I said, I was a phenom and rapping in my city. I've always been like popular. I've always been known for better rapping, rapping, freestyle competitions, whatever, just making dropping song, selling CDs. I did every process of being a rapper. I did it.

You know what I'm saying. Okay, so boom. When I was like fifteen sixteen, I was doing Man Small Mob Stars. It was like a big old it's a big heisting you. A click coach is big and Houston front number one

before game banging, I really took over the city. It was click culture and click culture and game banging merged in Houston basically, and what click coach is, which is in a lot of other cities or like, it's the same difference to somebody making the thing own rep like with your own group, and then you have a fee. He's sixty individuals that give that loyalty to that group and they go push that push their brand in the city, in the streets or whatever, young and be fighting the

territory whatever come with it. So I had one of the biggest cliques in Houston history is massed. My mass Stars is some shit that me and all my brothers created together and we was a part of and the like, it's unarguably like one of the biggest cliques in Houston cultural period ever, Like it's known, nobody would deny it, Like you know what I'm saying. So what that Ben said, I was like one of the faith one of the

faces in forefront of that. And it's a bunch of other lesson there clicks as well from back then, and we would all be like some of us was in the lines with each other. Some of us will bump hisads. But during that time, I was one of the only kids out of all of these cliques that had so much notoriety in the city that was rapping a lot and known for rapping. So when I went to jail from you know, exciting situations that happened doing that, I

caught in case of shootouts with the jail. Was out on the news to trade as shit is just bush it shit that went on in my life backed in over over being a part of that. I got out of jail and I made my mind it was like me really my twin was one of the main ones that was on that ship. Like Bro, we passed that ship like Nigga, we starts like the whole city. No is like you would have been on the news, you'd been on CNN, it would have been all over the world.

You're gonna use that to go back in the streets and do more of than thomb man. She's like Bro, you need to wrap. It's like you hear them like we was a dripping dude we were doing because right before that, it's when like boom were like women start changing my life a little bit, like making me see life different and like not being so caught up in the violence and the glory of violence. You know what

I'm saying. I started getting caught up in the glory of drinksing good and going to the strip club and women admiring me, And that's when the salt started to be created. That's when the hui's and that shit, because

the flavor hit me. Now, we used to go to the strip club to look to and defend the niggas in the club with the same hoodie on with the words on the mession and yeah, we're the tough guys a Playoffs song, We're gonna beat up the d J. But then it became being a fly dudes in the club and the strip of that getting the money from the people in the tough throwing the money to them. They trying to give the money to me to go home with me.

You know what I'm saying. I had an insighting rider insight and the ride organized crime, incriminativity and saw with the daily weapon saying another charge. It was some other charges, but it was a shooting that happened there. Track at TSU and try the truth and then that he'd be doing that a trader. Oh you got to trade that, yeah, to try that. I was invited to the trader again.

Like I said, I was famed. I was becoming famous back then, and it was like through two thousand and nine or something, I think it's two thousand and nine, two thousand and eight, thousand nine. I was invited to perform and you know, long story short, you know, people tried to put the bean, the people that I was with and dangers, so I had to look at myself and it just it went the way it went. I ended up going. A lot of people got shot that day. I went to jail for that shit, and we all went,

a lot of us went to jail. Was all on the news. It was like the third or fourth time I've been on the news. So it's like I've been playing with my life too much. And I made it through that situation by the grace of God aggress of the universe. Like I made it through that. I still have to go to jail, but I still got my freedom back. Like that was something to what I could

have been. Went to jail for forty years, fifty years, thirty years, twenty years easily because the platform it was, it was a high profile case, it was on the school campus. It was a random people that that had nothing to do with it that got hurt, you know what I'm saying. But it wasn't it wasn't my doing, you know what I'm saying, Because you know, motherfuckers just don't know what they're doing. So it was just wild. But you had compressed people out there. She Lejectionally, it

was all type of you know what I'm saying. It was a big ideal so for me that it caused a big, big, big uproard conversation in Houston outside of all this stuff that we was already known for. So like it was a blessing for me to get out of jail and my brother be like leave that shit, let that shit go, bro, Like yeah, like we did that, Like we survived it. Now we're finna fuck it. They don't want to agree with us and to do what we're doing. Fucking we're gonna drift this out. We're gonna

beat the chibbattle Boys. But just before the Sauce came, the first name we came up outside of Managemall massts with the Chibbottle Boys. We started making money. We start having bread, and we was always like the type of people that like men make up our own lingo to go with the lifestyle that we was living. So we always wanted to talk different from Houston. Houston is mister South. We popped ship. We talked different. So we was Chabbati boy. We got the bread, We got the letters to bread.

Just before the sauce hit, we got the letters to brand. We got the lettuce and chins and toast the bottom, me and my brother. You know what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying, Hey man, you need to choose up with Gavati boys. They got a lot of toys and bring you a lot of joy. You know what I'm saying. That's how we used to be. That's how we used to pop in women and stuff like you

know what I'm saying, try to get their numbers or whatever. Uh. Eventually it led to us saying sauce because like one of the girls that like contested, it's like going back and forth with us, like she was a nigga, like she was a pr there, so like she was poppular to us. And in the midst of that, we start saying sauce. After the sauce came to ooh we because when we got the sauce. Now now we changed our actual names because my original rap name wasn't Sauce. My

original rap name was Aywalk. You know what I'm saying, A Skywalker from Mashmo. My Twins Central History name was Bully, Mike Dial a Bully, you know what I'm saying. That was his original rap name. So like when the Sauce hit us after Chabatta boys, like we was calling each other boys. We ain't had no new rap name. So that a sausig s Walker. I ain't taking a walk off my name. That's in my real name, Elba Walker's. I ain't taking a walk off my name. I'm soft Walkers. Okay,

you what your name is gonna be? I'm Saucy Sauce. I'm saucy Nigga. It's ten years ago. We in the hotel room with folk white girls trying to figure it out for real, like it's some crazy shit we was living. He's like he had a missing good at the time. Used to call him sancho.

with new ad libs. Oh way, Trip Splash Trees are just saying, wow, I'm just because I'm feeling it. You just finished it the type of way when beautiful women is adoing you and putting lotion on your skin and we're drying you off and your music is going well, You're going to the strip clubs, they're playing my song. I'm feeling different. I don't want to rap about guns. I don't want to wrap about beefing with this, you

know what I'm saying. That's one of the beautiful things about me and my rap cord when I came out in Houston is like I brought something completely different, even though I still was representing the streets and I still brought that into my music. But the majority of my music music was about having fun, making money, party and being around beautiful women, being empowered in your your confidence. And so when I first said ooh we in the studio, all my patterns looked at me like I was blamed,

like I was crazy or something. But you're cheaping Maro. What en you sound like Rick James and or something? Man? What that mean bout? I don't know this. It sounded out every artist. I'm thinking, like every rapper I they and live especially you know, Jesus. This is in that era. This is years ago. I've been around game for teen years, so that's when I'm putting it together. This is two thousand and nine eight. This is fourteen, fifteen years ago,

Rick Washston, Jesus and them boys. I think I'm bigger me huh livery po fuck you know, Jesus, I needed me one, hey, I need mean us sad town of I I saw it. I was going through my sound files head. You know, something just made me say.

would use auto tune. I really, I've always hated auto tune, like my whole artistry. But my brother loved autotune. He loved singing. So Sancho make me sing and like we would go good on the auto tune sometimes. So I experiment with it, and then anything I say in the booth, I'm finna go say it in real life. So now when I go out to the club or when I go around women or something, this my new. Hey, when you're going man, get about from heels and jumping these

hot winds. So we could play the three years Elf better. I don't get attraction like Michael Jackson. Boy, we're just doing our what because that's the name of the game. It's to make the chess player get out of the position for the game. You know what I'm saying. If I make you grind you in, if I can make you turn your head, and that's bad. That's just what my goal was. So the ooh, we just it worked so well. It was such an attention grabber and you know how people say, if you don't got to hate us,

then you ain't doing something right now. Oh yeah, we know about that. So for me to hear that from people, that from brothers and people that I love, when I know, like, I wrap way better than y'all. I know for a fact that some of y'all have learned how to rap better from rapping with me because I've been I've always been the one in my group to be like a rapper. We need to go do a photo shooting, or we need to go get the album covering. Man, we need

to upload on YouTube. I've been on YouTube since twenty fourteen. Bro. Now you can go on your lawn time right now and look up a wap Sau's walking on YouTube. I been doing this for not two thousand. Whenever this shit first came out, fourteen fifteen whatever what it was. The fourteen was the thirteen twelve when YouTube where first came out, I was on them. YouTube is abound, like maybe two thousand and six, maybe, okay, well two thousand and six with this what it was, I was on them. I

was on there two thousand and six thousand, folks. Whenever it was same time, they was cranky this same time they was, I was on YouTube, my Space. I was there. Put it up right now, it's gonna say seventeen years fifteen years ago, whatever it is. I was there. I already knew that doing videos and concerts, and I was I've been again. I've been performing on stages since I was I don't know, living twelve. I've been recording so

I was six. So I always understand. I hated that, like listen, We're not gonna record music just for us to listen to it like friends partners. That's lame. I'm not Finna. I'm not finna sit up here and we just record music and we just all right around listening to ourselves all day. So it was like I always had a different expert opinion about music. And I was the first one to get on the radio. I always had. By the time I started saying ooh week, I had

already been on the radio in Houston already. I had been. I had been on a Swish house mixtape, Up and Smoke with DJ Michael Watson is a song called h Time a blow Drum Each time blow drow something Me and Biretta Black Uh one of them old school switch outs in tape, Michael Watson's trying to sign me. Michael Watson trying to sign me since I was like fifteen years old. Sixteen years old, salute Michael five thousand whiles.

So I love him to death. He's like one of those people that I give honor and credit to the helping my career as me growing up, Like he's always supported my career. But yeah, like I've always been one of those fetums and music. So when my friends is telling me, like, b that shit week, that shit suck, I'm like, huh, all hatinghim, but I don't give it. Damn. I love you to death. You hating Like I know this is gonna work. I know this is good. You

cannot tell me that it's not gonna work. And that's just like one of the moments where I went through life well, like I started to ha started to have a separation because of great and it's like you can't take everybody with you, or you're gonna go to a different level of platform. Everybody can't go with you, and

it's crazy. That's something as simple and smallest my ant lis and my rap style and the way I changed from just being a being a gangster, the street gang banger rapper or just having that for son and that image and that that mentality twenty four hours a day to to the to the dripping and the sauce. And some of my real friends didn't want to be around that shit, like me and my tween me and such over there y'all on the diffici it bro y'all tribute

ain't doing it like woo. But I became a millionaire. I became a Houston right. It was right about a rap style of Houston. It didn't exist about a genre to genre of music to the South, the South, the drip, the pipping, the flavor of this, you know that the sauce and these the drip raps, drip hop sa you talk about to the game you spoke about like sometimes people take the influence from Houston but don't embraced the

Houston artists or nothing. And also the challenges of being the Houston artists to kind of break national right, to get out of just being successful in the local music. Can you speak to that and the challenges you face. You know, we just don't have the same platforms and we don't have the same offices available. We don't have big corporate Rencord Labels just right down street in downtown Houston.

That's going to provide you with finances, or it's going to provide you with record label services, or certain events, certain festivals, the Roland loves the a lot of losers, the you know whatever. Just you know. That's why it was such a rare opportunity and expanis for me to meet you so prematurely in my career, because you gotta think you like a me throwing that to people. Elliant Wilson never see you, They'll never see you in the

in real life. It's an extra human being. When I met you years ago and more than ten years ago at the beginning and beginning of my career. So it's like it was certain things like that. They always let me know I was special because I could get through I was I've always had the ability to get through certain doors. When you had that little fragment of opportunity, it's sposed to do it. But that's the problem for people in Houston that we ought, especially before my coming.

Now that you have something to go, yeah, of course, I justly look how many people got deals now, Look at people got opportunities? Now, how you know what I'm saying. You know, I think I was the first person in jay Z offered opportunity to in Houston to be a part of our nation again. Jay Z changed my life,

helped my career, did something for me. There's a direction changing and an innovation of my career, undeniably him putting me on that that the title, right, So that just that achievement amongst all the other things that I did for the music industry, for the Houston and the Texas industry, and then also knowing that too, I put the entire Texas on my back. So it's like all the Dallas artists under Dallas DJs, Houston dj As soon as I got light, I took that light to everybody. I started

making songs with everybody. I start, you know, I'm doing blogs with everybody to say cheese, TV's and all these different platforms. Like I took my power and I splitted around to everybody. So you have to understand before that, what could we do. We didn't have a say Cheese, we didn't have a shun Cotton, we didn't have south By Southwest was brand new. And not only south By South being brand new, it wasn't it wasn't even in this powerful state to where it can help the Texas artists.

If anything, it was more or less helping the bigger artists that was cooking like you. I think that what made south By South well Southwest the year that Kanye West and jay Z and all those people came. That shit was way way a long time ago. That ain't It's not what's happening now. Now's the thing for new artists. So again, it was so hard to be from Houston and blow up and have the opportunity if you're not going to get on a plane and travel to somewhere else.

And also without the Internet being involved. The Internet has become so powerful now, so prominent, to where the instant gratification has allowed record labels and companies to find investing, interesting people and reach out to them. Instagram and Twitter wasn't is I don't know what's to work to use for it. It just wasn't. It didn't have the same capability of bridging the gap between celebrities or up and coming celebrities and record labels because everybody wasn't so open

to the engagement and the conversation there first. Because things

you're different, you remember how Instagram used to be. So with that being said, Houston just was one of those places that we've always had the talent, we've always had the market, we've always had the rich culture and creativity being created there, but we never had a DJ called or you know whoever to come to our city and actually work with artists and work with producers and work with people in the city to whether for when the platinum record is made or a huge music video is done,

or a company such as Buffalo Wild Wing, Sprite or Target or whatever wants to do a commercial or advertisement roll out behind these three artists in this particular ad that we're doing behind this song. Houston missed those opportunities until the likes of soft Walker and Travis Scott, like until we kind of like push that door down, like

from different spectrums though, but still for the satile. Yeah, different styles of perspecially, but just opening up those same type of doors where people feel comfortable or feel like okay. It is a lot of opportunity that I missing out on for not going to Houston and going to tests and seeing the new talent and seeing the new artists and then people put us in certain boxes as well that we can only make a certain type of music.

So that was another thing that while I said again it was so big for me to come and introduce certain level of lyricism, certain style of lyricism, different subject matters, different substance, different complexity, but at the same time make exciting music in fun music and music that has replay value that people that's between the ages of fifteen to

twenty one want to listen to. Because if you don't have the youth, you don't have nothing anyway, because when you have the youth, the youth will grow up and mature and still listen to music that they felt was timeless and as they get into their adult form and

one listen to that style of music. So I feel like, you know, and then we never had a bunch of big, big record litis that's just right there in the middle of the city that's like hometown record But you know, we have our few that do what they done, and salute to those recodlables that have done what they've done for the city. But you know what I mean, it just wasn't an ample a lot. But if you didn't go through you know the few ones that there is.

The Raphalize the Switcher house. They go dead after that. You know what I'm saying, It wasn't that many directions people have that's right here in your backyard to say, you know what, you got great talent. I'm finna take you to one on six and Park tomorrow. We never had that right. But if you're from Atlanta, you're from New York, you're from the West Coast. No matter how much they may personally complain, they have that along with

the hometown spirit support. That's a whole nother playing field. The radio support that these other regions have, Texans doesn't have it. Our radio and our majority of the DJ system, how it's rant, is not hometown push is more or less corporate. You know what I'm saying. They're gonna pay a lot of out of town music, or they're gonna play whatever the record labels or the radio the radio operators, the people that like send music around, they play with

syndicated with' sent to them. They don't play what's hot and what they have to discover what's the hottest thing in the club, or even if it's not the hottest thing in the club. You're a DJ that's from this citing from this state, the hometown pride in you to want to see your city, your sound, your culture hit the main stage and have a fighting chance to compete. Just like sports. You it's you have a responsibility and

the duty to do that. And Texans, those people this powering intentions prior to how it is maybe now, and we still deal with that a little bit. They wasn't doing it. New York is gonna make sure you know about being mom. We're gonna make sure you know about being moms. Ice Pikes. We're gonna make sure you know about ice Pikes. Same thing with the West Coast. But we're working on it in tations. It's getting better. We know about you and those Brazilda guys from New York.

Man and my boys, why you work so well with Grizilda talk to them? Yeah, man, I love them dudes. Man for sure to shout out to my boy west Side. Then you know the whole Gazelda family. You know what I'm saying, My boy, come wait, my brother, come wait, my brother from another real dude, real solid general. The Robot, they called him a machine. I called him a robot. You know what I'm saying. I like that super bean

right there. You know what I'm saying. Being in the butcher, the rest of the guys over there, man, you know they kind of like a You're like an honor remember, yeah. Yeah, And it's the same difference with them to me, you know what I'm saying. They kind of like a New York East Coast TSL to a certain extent, and we like a down South Griselda to a certain extent. What's your self stant for the Sauce family, the Sauce Famelia, Texas shit forever, the season and federation, you know what

I'm saying. He got multiple, multiple reasons, multiple definitions for TSL. But you know it's the saut familia, you know what I'm saying, Texas boys. But outside of that, uh, west Side really respect my lyricism and my style with like clothes and art jewelry, and I have the same respect

for him, you know what I'm saying. And I got put onto him through one of my good friends from like back then, from my my first clickof telling you about mash Mama, my boy T Steaks Free T Steaks you spell me and he put me out west Side Gun. I was like, bro, you need to listen to this. The west Side Gun like, he got balls and he's different like you like, and they got a cool like you need to get on them, So I'm checking them out.

I started listening to him, and instantly I fell in love with the music because again, before I ever heard Westside Gunner them Ghetto Gospel, we already on ghetto Gospel too, you know what I'm saying. And outside of the Ghetto Gospel series, I've also already dropped the New South City series, so I already have a huge established fan base of rapping on simple beats and making classic verses to simples. So at the time that I felt that I was doing it in the South, it definitely wasn't big where

I'm at and what people doing in there. So and then also in New York, me just leaving New York and making a New South City album, the first one. I'm seeing the emergence of drill rap and how everybody's

converting to drill drill, drill, drill, drill. To all the New York artists I was running into at the time, the people that I'm hearing from the East Coast are drill rappers, to the point where I even made a drill CD in honor and respect of because like I went there originally to do a New York traditional style album, which is new soauth City, and that's what I did.

But after me saying like just the gravitational pool on the drill shit, you feel me and all the young people that I'm meeting in New York, all the drilling and love the drill music, It's like damn they and they pushing it beat something like like you're killing something.

I end up doing it. But it made me realize, like, Okay, damn, like lyricism or just straight balls or wrapping off a simple beast, is finna be a lost art for him, even up town because of how much the influences of selling the records and making big moments, like how the

South is doing with hit records. So when I finally discovered Gazelda, it was like a breath of fresh ass, Like damn, it's a new Jady Kid, It's a new Fabulous, It's a new like I can really appreciate hip hop again, but be a fan of what's going on right now. They're not talking about some old school shit that I can't relate to. They're talking about things that's happening right now that we're going through right now. But they got the lyrics so as I and then another big things.

Like I said earlier, the screw culture, the screw shit is big to us. So any music that I like and fall in love with, I'm gonna get it slowed up, even if I'm gonna look forward to already be on the internet slowed up. I'm gonna go go to DJA that I personally rock out with, and I'm gonna have them slow to music. So I start getting the West

Side music and stuff slowed up. And after I got to slow it up, now I'm really a fan of it and I'm really getting to the beasts of it, I end up West Side reached out to me to do a song. So now I did the first song we did, the Houston Versus Rocket song. Right because I start liking bro pictures and now I like y'all alive. I'm just liking the picture. Hit me like, bro, Yo, sauce, you been a gold How fuck with you? Yo? You man? Bro Man. I love your calls. I'm gonna come to

Houston head. I'm getting drink from Johnny Dan. You gotta pull up and the love which is organic. So it's like I met up with him at the mill. We

were chilling ball and talking about whatever. So Boom, I do the Houston Rocket song for He sent me the Houston Rockets Versus Rockets, Houston versus Lakers song boone that we dropped the song of Got Crazy people love Me and he he opened up another another door for me in the in the lyrical space and then the true hip hop spect because they got a different fan based that's a whole different type of coke band based as well, and it expands to overseas, so I'm getting all these

different people that it's just like so amazed by the complexity and the lyricism of my verse and the things that I was seeing. It just it just created a whole new fan basing, a whole new feeling on the internet. You know, everything that happened in music to go to the internet, and that's where they arguing and disputed and enjoy it. So it's all on Twitter. It's all tea sent from Gazilla, south Walking Gazilla. So now that I'm

listening to the songs and screwing them up. I had a favorite song of their that was called RP Bobby and that's Westside Gun and Comeway and I just loved

this beat. The beat was just so beautiful to me, like the sample that was on it, and I used to listen to it in one of my drop top sixty five kept La beans Is on Swing because I used to every time I drove that car, I would have to let the top down and ride to that song slow throughout the city, to the point to where I said, I'm not gonna just keep listening to this beat, I gotta rap on it. So I rapped on their beat. I found dat darring beat is what created this relation

lad up to that. I wrapped on the beat and I shot the video to it, and I changed and tied them from RP Bobby to RP Buddy. So I released the song on World Star Hip Hop. It's probably one of my last videos. I dropped on West Hip Hoop on YouTube. It shot got like five million views or something, but when it first came out, it had like two or three views, and Alchemist reached out to me. Not damn. Alchemist reached out to me and he was like, Yo, bro,

youre incredible. We love you like we listened to your music. All the time. That beat that you up th on is like my predecessor, Like that's my that's my little brother Danjel, Like I really want to see y'all work together and me, you gonna work together too, like man, whenever you're in LA or New York, pat out to me. So the relationship just kept going from their point to where I can't working with West hand up being on another West album. He put me on two different albums.

So I got blessed. I'm on another album again and it was a big, big thing. I did another incredible verse to where now they invited me to perform on one of their tours in New York. So I flew out the New York. I did it to us stay sick with him, Stove God and Conway and again. Now I mean a whole bunch of other New York letters that I respect them and they artistry. So now I mean the Lord Banks and I'm getting out and I'm like,

bro you Lloyd Banks. I was in middle schools Banks yeay yo in there and Jay the kids you know, Jim Jones has been my brother, like Jim may know

them being my boys. They been rocking out with me and some other ship pushed the music though, like them, like people that always like give me knowledge, game and flowers, or have my back when I'm in New York, make sure I'm around the right company, or you know what I'm saying, make sure I'm good whatever where I'm at, just telling me who to be with or who not to do whatever, Like then my boys, I always like

to beyond music and with music. Some of them other people that I was meeting at night, was like you know what I'm saying. It was It was just like again humbling for these people to know me and know my songs, like by detail. Oh you did this one verse or that one Brandan had a baby song that was crazy. How you flipped the Tupac woo so uh Afamist walk up to me, Alchemist walk up to me like Yo, this Awce is me. I'm a whole ship. He's like, first thing I'm asking, like, man, when we

gonna get some work in this little album? I do album over there, Like man, we're gonna do an album, trust me like I want to do abb me me extra bod saying, Earl Sweatshirt, you Earl switshaped favorite rapper. This is what this what Apple is telling me, and

I end up meeting Swashing afterwards. What they're like, Yeah, you a sweatshat favorite rapper, Like we listen to you every day at the study that wool, but the way you and Dan just sound together like we just stuck on it, Like, so please give me an album of that, and then after you give me an album, it's yeah, me and You're gonna do a whole album. I sing you a beat song right now, but like you like that song that you did because the song did well the one I did and like that again. I also

brought a whole nother crowd to them. I bought a whole nother fan based and concentergs like they did to me. I brought the same thing to them and especially the producers as well, because any video that I shoot getting means abused, but this particular one did really well. So they're like, man, and I dropped another song after that talk without you, rapping about my mom, and uh uh.

Alchemist was like, man, that's that's our favorite song right now without you, and we was thinking about making a beat similar to that, and we want you to rap on me and him made it together. So then I was like, man, I'm gonna do the album for you. So he introduced me to Danger. Then just set up a studio session that night and they played me the beat that they had like put together for me to wrap on. I did it, and then from there it was,

it was, it was, it was all she wrote. I got in the studio with him for like a week and a half straight after they recorded the whole album. Start putting different people in that that wrapped out with me. That showed me a little bust A Ronds. I pulled them in, pulled jad in, pulled in uh my boy, hell real from dip say, I'm I'm a huge dip set fan, Like that's like a part of my top five. I have to have a top five, Like I tried to put the whole grouping in it if I could.

I'm a huge dip set fan, like I'm a huge scow to click fan, and being from Texas, like groups and clicks is like a big thing to us. So I always under think, but yeah, that's kind of like that should be the next project. What's up with that's my next project? After the project, I'm finna drop right now that that boy, then that boy then that's my

next appum right now. Something for the summer. Something for you know, the girls, the fellas, the people that center club people just having fun, people just getting money, the hustlers, you know, the ratchet females, you know, for the youth, some fun. You know, it's a lot of it's a

lot of women empowerming and music right now. So I want to give a little bit of power, a little power back to the fellows, but also crowning the women and you know, giving them they they they like for having the hold on men that they have right now. Like I think it's funny. I like it. I like how women is like, you know, putting their foot on dudes next time. Yeah, they should that what they get. I don't get another ghetto gospel for this year. It's

the Symber y'all. Probably won't get the get up Gospel photo this year, but you probably get maybe the Swiss Beasts album at the end of the year, hopefully. But the Danger album, the Danger album is for sure right now. It's that boy. Then my next album is the album with Me and Danger, and it's like really critically acclaimed. The fans been begging for that for years. I'm trying

to get the hold up out of that. A lot of the music that I'm releasing right now outside of the that boy, then it's like two three years old, two years old. I just been making like time this music to where they don't care because of the message that's in it. But you wouldn't think that there was two three years old. Yeah. See, you see what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying. But a lot of that lyrical stuff that I have, I've been sitting on them

for a year and two years. Like even a dangerous danger song, remember the freestyle where I was having a front of maybag? How many years ago did that come out? Right on the block form lot right? That was at least two years ago? Name I recorded at least a four years before that. Wow. So yeah, but you know, with greatness, they will have patience, just like just like it's the perfect time you finally under wrapperate our podcast. Yeah,

they have a super stim moment. Man, you're not doing right off ten years later a gator, y'all gone like a weight. Now later we gotta do a fusion there you go? You know about God, this is gonna be incredible audio experience. Man, You know what I'm saying, a lot of people don't make it right here till the sunrise and see the beautiful California skyes upon their eyes and had these men's rides. You know what I'm saying. If they wraps and things like that, you speel me.

It's a beautiful thing. I'm humbled. I'm I'm glad to be here because a lot of people thought I wasn't gonna make it. I'm glad you made it through. So shall Yeah TSLF venting. That's what it is. Got from Louisvaiton doll Man. Yeah, man, you know the title. Yeah, you know, you salute the Kanye, But he's moved on to win, you know. He he's got a different things going on. He got a lot done that. I think you get your Easy one, two, three, four, five, fifteen

season Easy. So you know what I'm saying, I'm gonna do it for the LVS. You know, I like the Louis Vaton. It's one of those brands that I feel has a staple in the fashion industry that's not gonna be watered down. It's never gonna go nowhere. That pieces are pieces that whole value, retain value for years to come. They don't decrease, they go up, especially if you buy the more exotic ones. And they work with people about culture directly that that people of our culture have direct influence,

in direct hands on to the fabrics. Well who they know is their biggest consumer, and in regardless of having all the other consumers, they understand that what hip hop is. And I think it's just always a good thing for brands and companies so big, they have so much power and so much influence to appreciate hip hop and the people that's in hip hop. So whenever I see that, I get a little bit more respect and love for

the brand. But I always like Louis Laton. Anyway, people noticed I can win anything and make it look good. I could wear merch merch merchandise, and somebody closed the line that they started from the ground up and make it look like Louis like I just did the other day on their freestyle with Meek Mills. Shout Miller g Herbo, Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, I was wearing twenty eight, twenty eight right there. That was some Texans clothes looking like it was Louis Baton.

But yeah, that was that was a great moment right there with Meek Mills and them freestyl and putting on for the Great State of Texas at the Gilly Fish shot out to Gilly Gilly, my man. You know what I'm saying. Why the family? But my label man tself business, and I got a big record label that I started from the ground up. I got about fifty artists on

my record label, all running through my Dishol Distro. Got Paso Paste Hardest s al A Sauce Wood winning, Uh feel for a JP Bucci p Sauce Go hun from Chicago. It's my my blood relative, my my mom's brother's son. He's an emerging super store. I got a lot of got a lot of good attraction going for itself. I got so many artists on my recorde. But my brother Sosa Man, Sancho, Saucy, You're just doing a lot of good stuff. I'm trying to build the next WHO team.

I'm trying to build the next empire, you know, and just be successful, make great music, make great memories, and just teach what I can when I can, but at the same time, not be too serious about it. I feel like two people too serious about this year. Sometimes, you know, it's it's definitely business and something to be taken serious, but it's also something meant to be enjoyed. Do you like having fun with it? We enjoyed this definitely. Yeah. I mean it's me and man Southwatha, the south Taper.

You know what I'm saying, flys, Tony Harper. You know what I'm saying. Never been a female stopper, but a farm Clark Parker. You know what I'm saying about. You know what I'm saying. It's fast to the float. If you got to know I'm on the Elliot Wilson Show and the rap Raider. What's your name? My blamers that be that b that we do. We will never forget pumps. We not. You know what I'm saying. We not. You know what I'm saying. We real champs over here. You

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