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going to Vegas, baby, Las Vegas, June seventeen. Is that a conflict? Man? You gotta young, go out think I got my kid. It's all good, all right, make sure it's all good, big Papa. But yeah, we'll be with the homie with the Palms Hotel and we're gonna talk to the homie ot Genesis. He got a crazy story, so that's good. I'd be fun. Yeah. I hate it on him at first. I actually over, I'm in love with I still hate that song, and I've expressed that with the guy that works with him. Rigs over Atlanta

used to have real fights about ot Genesis. We made a bet and I said he's out of head. He's like, no, he has another one. It was like, nah, he's that cut. It came was like I remember when you hit me and you said, Yo, this cut of thing. Man, oh man, raise might be right, this might be you need to cut it. Cut. It is better than Coco. Oh yeah, way better way to cut aside. Right, So if you go to Ditch Friday's dot com and put and put the promo code podcast, you can come for free hang

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Somebody said we don't be doing enough episodes, man, I mean the last one was last week. Alicia keys That was a great episode. I felt like it could have been longer because we only had limited time with her. But you know, you get what you gave us what thirty minute she said, and then she end up giving us about forty things. Yeah, it was fun though, sucking Alicia Keys. Man, it's fifteen time Grammy Award winner, Man thirty million plus. I don't think he's never been on

a podcast. Man. Ship didn't even know what a podcast was. She's like, you don't play my song. But we got some good things out of her really excited about that. Yes, some good things today. Man. We got a legendary group coming through. The Locks is here, man, the hardest out there. Man, it's bad Boy weekend in the city. Man, you feel the intensity. Every Puffy Guys did it again. Every Puffy guys feeling like eight again. Man. Everyone's been hitting me

about tickets. Are you going I'm like, look, man, I don't know. I'm just interviewing the Locks people that don't know. It's Wednesday night in the city. And then I think Friday is the first show bad Boy Reunion Tour Barclay Center. Special guests are gonna be Jay Z, Mary J. Blidges And the next night he's bringing out d MX and Swiss Beats with Mary J. Blodge and the city's on five. Man, bad Boy Man one of the best legacies in music. And he was like, Okay, let's look at this roster man,

who's the heart of this whole thing. It always goes back to the Locks Man, the bad boys a bad boy really like they thought they was gonna leave, but they end up still getting pulled back in Man with a bad boy legacy of dynasty. Man. So it's a good chance to talk to them about, you know, the craziness of still being in business with Puffy after all these years, eighteen plus years. Man, if you want to be technical, was money respect? I want to know what

that movement? He's still They still ain't giving us no album since like sixteen years ago. We are the streets. They keep promising the album spen sixteen years. Of course in sixteen years literally the Internet with a lot of free styff and that that secret media with rock Nation, and we're talking about that about that man. Actually this was kind of like preparation for this. It was kind

of hard because so much music something beat. I fell asleep listening to some Styles featuring Ray J song you got stop the Locks of record may records of everybody. They've had every major producer, low level producer like this, that's four different careers. Is a lost career. There's a Jadakis's career, styles pea career, loose career. She got like five six albums, Silver Baccillas and all that mixed tapes.

The legacy is too much. It's a great legacy. I think about when I think about the Locks is just like being in high school all over again. Like those freestyles on Hot notty seven. I mean that was the height of the beef of Rocket Feller And I mean I was listening to the one in Philly when they blew Jada and it was just like he starts rapping, he don't know, he's gonna gotta go, and you feel attention to the crowd and he goes there. He goes

till seek riding to get on. They's just start, Oh my god, you want to talk about being a time to be alive in high school? Sixteen years stuff at him. I think in interviews you said they were booing and throwing everything. I had him on the stage. Man. So it's funny because you know, obviously at the time Jay and Osby was the biggest thing ever, but I think time has passed. People love that styles Beanie, I mean Jada Beanie beef Man. That was actually the best. It

was actually the best. People was like the undercard, but it was really better than the main of a better fight because they just made great songs at each other and it was such an intensity pus like both hardcore dudes, Like you can see them scrapping up like it's just like it was just ugly. We're gonna talk about it, but we didn't ask me about it. We gotta get

absolutely crazy. But it's all loves all piece. Man, were excited that coming through the entire l o X, all three of y'all would say, all three of y'all, that's Jay the kiss styles p cheek luch Man. It's gonna be a very special I think the fans are gonna love this one. Man. So wait, what are they say in the comments? Man, let's see what's going on? Man, you go to the rap rate of podcast subscribe looking

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Play it at play dot it Hey yesterday. Sully Wilson from Rap Right Off and me and my partner beat Our milling Man with the group. It's only opinion that matters. Man here Rap right off? Yo, you da all the s's how you're going? I tell you well, Nick good. It's like two fifty. Somebody got shot of something this morning, something that was around. Yeah, yeah, the first thing in the morning that you got mad blocks somebody got shots in the morning. You jumping on nothing about that? Right

picture blocked off? Oh Man beat out? We got him in the lots man of well of them here man even see here? Man up, baby, I'm great man, this motherfucker. What's up with you? Man? You sound like the skit? What was the airlines? Now? Thank you guys. Man, start with the bad boy reunion. Man, I gotta get with the bad boys. A bad boy. Man's incredible. Many appreciate it. Still be on the journey, man, what's it like? Man? Puff driving your crazy rehearsals and ship like that though

there's a couple of video over the top. Man. He wanted everything to you know, to be on point. What's it like working with him now compared to back then, Like in terms of like the work he in a good space, it's much easier. Yeah, Um French and the new artists that you know he works with now, they they don't see what we saw. I mean they got thick, they got a good We got it good. But it was just it Dad, it was just it was just rougher really because he was still kind of young, like

you guys, trying to figure it out against himself as well. Ye. Plus we're not when I when I signed to him anymore so that we're coming in as all this helping that tour out, you know what I mean exactly, So it's different. It's a lot you know, kind of lay the red carpet out for you know. So that's a good because he knows how central you guys are. Like what do you think it is like the aesthetic that you used to this dynasty, this this legacy, Like what's

the astact that LX still brings to that? Like why is that so important? Like he's almost he couldn't do it without you guys. Yeah, you know it's um. You got mace, you got You've got a lot of glamour and glitz, you know, for what that's worth. And then you you need some edge, you know. I mean they got black robbed, which is a a little bit edgy, but you need the l oxter finished. Yeah. Yeah, you need to mix the pot up. Man. You need different

spices in the pot, you know what I mean. We bring the we bring the raw effect to it, and I think we didn't. We did. We had a meetium between everything between high class and shiny and street. We could we you know, we're the guys that could tie it all. And at this point, he's the more treating used equals because he was special longevity and like under him. You know, you're talking a lot going on. I mean, not like him, but we all own bosses, right, I mean,

plus the Benjamins and stuff like that. You gotta have us there to do seven records. We bought it that. You know, what are your flexes? When you guys to the Benjamins, did you kind of know it's gonna be one of those ones? Because Kim and Kim and Big weren't even on it at first, right, We didn't. We didn't want to do the Benjamin. We didn't want to. He had a hard time getting us to lay shaking my vocals on it. It was for a long time. It was just him and you go his part, right,

I think, yeah, his part. It was one of my rhymes already, like he came in the midiro you want to do that? Didn't like, yeah, I need that, I need that, I need that. But you didn't like to beat or what was it? We didn't. I didn't think that first. I didn't like. I didn't think. I didn't think it was it was rushing, Yeah, I do it whenever doing like you And it's weird to can we like his verse overlaps with yours? Like what was that? But that's something that he always That's one of the things.

There was a lot of bad Boys songs. There's a lot of overlapping heat. It's something widow me likes to overlap shit. I told remember, I told Missy put Missy Elliot was there when we walked in the MIDI room. Missy was like, yo, let me have you spit on this. I went, you went, We all went. She said yo, use that verse strictly trying to use that and then I need y'all to write puffs something. I swear to God.

You remember mir was We didn't know she was dancing ship she was doing some but she was with She was like he was crazy, But why weren't you on the record? Stop? I ain't made it. Oh puff took my part. Oh you could have the room for spontaneous when I mean at the time, I wasn't looking at it like that neither, like you know what I mean. Later on I was like, damn, I should have been

on that record. But it's all good. I mean, you know what, um, I think that's what we really bring to the table where hello access one for all, all for one. So I still felt like part of the record, but now the things are like obviously on good terms. Do you kind of like regret the whole campaign of one to get off because it kind of like maybe it made it. It made us tighter, not to cut you off, right, but it made us tighter. I think

it actually did. I think they could agree to that, and it made him respect us more, like you know what I mean, not to to our own horn, but anybody that ever went against Diddy. He kind of wiped them out of you know, they still still can do your thing, but it's fill you over there. Yeah, we was able to or whatever it was. Yeah, we it

worked for us. You know what I meant only that that ship helped the industry because a lot of people, a lot of people, it was a turning point in issue, and a lot of people think we had like a we had the standard contract the same as everybody pretty much everybody else, and he probably had worse than the standard.

I mean that ship that it was a lot of It was probably a lot of people standard contracts though it was it wasn't it wasn't that not crazy, but we kind of had like a street mentality ten times ten as a hundred times got off you for a minute. He always wanted to say this, we should have fucking win that. Landelle McMillan him too. Yeah, you know what I mean, you know when you grow up, everybody, we

shouldn't win everybody because everybody. It wasn't solely his. He didn't do nothing but past or something like it's on you with ye anybody coming off the street that's gonna do that though, like you don't know a game, and you've got an opportunity to change your whole life. Label was already kind of and it's just like it's gonna say that the Chicago Bulls. You said you wanted to beat up music, exact duffel bag to get around to it.

But if you listen to the first album, your solo record, you talk about like that defending Black Puff, like Puff's not gonna jerk us, and then you say, can I live? Puffs set us up properly. So isn't that then ironic that you guys then felt like, wow, this isn't you look at the overall gist of it. He did set us up properly, you know, in different tax practice of course. Yeah, we learned a lot of shoulders, a lot of ship. Even with the shiny suits. I tell a lot of time, yo, man.

That put us somewhere else though, you know, but nobody, not even with the shiny shuites, nobody said fuck a shiny suit until we said shiny suit. Nobody said, yo, we don't like shiny suits. Everybody was going with a little. Puff was doing it, Mace was doing it. He's winning the game. It's the look we had the audacity to say, funk that ship, But she did you know something was going on? Because like like elliots of money power respect you said, I you're getting the jerk. You still seeing noise?

Did you feel something was going on or anything's going on? Because it's like I would that be on the wreck on the debut, like with people in your air at the time, or no, we's this unhappy like little Yeah, maybe maybe people was in a at the time. She was very business, very very business that you see you all the way, you know what numbers. You got to go by numbers, like you look at what's selling how much you CD like when you come from a block

and you come from regular school. You kind of sticking with the numbers. You kind of know, so you know, ten times sent as a hundred dog like everywhere in the world. And if that ship don't if I ain't getting a lot of when you find out you ain't getting more than a couple of dollars off of that, that ship changes your whole mentality. Funk with that contract said, and well all that so you feeling out why you

were making the album at the time. While you were making the albums, I think we came in as on some Homeboyship. When we got with Puff, it wasn't like so we just came a young young have them come in and write this for me. So it was like, all right, we'll be there. It wasn't now people now sign this. We're gonna do this. That's what we're getting off of it, you know what I mean? It's different split and what are you proud of the first album

like the Sences only part of that steps. I want to change the thing with our whole growth up until now. Hell yes, that's what we learned. It really made it. It made the movie that much better, It made the book that much better. You know the name of our group is living off experience, So all of that is just adds on to the you know what we represent?

Does it feel like eighteen years because it's been that sense of drop this year made it don't feel like it until until I got to pay college to Wishing and all when you get I'm fifty six right now, so is dancing and running around like forty years we didn't. But it's like a testament. I guess the name because it's like the experience is still tests and tests of time, Like are there records that y'all like standing out for you guys, Like I know which ones I really love

from that first album. Oh let's start love over for me money bitches of east Wick. You know, I think you said something with David that all for the that was like Swisses first beat, All for the Love is the thing with that, Yeah, that's Swiss. That's the first Swiss beating ever on. Yeah that's the first one. It was actually another one that, um, you know, me having a little bit of experience with Diddy, I had switched ready with two of them, and the other one was

let's give him something to talk about. Eventually gave that the case Leigh and just made it a mixtape joint. But um, yeah, me knowing Swiss because we was running back. We was at Daddy's house, and then when we was wasn't we was in Powerhouse and Yankee's with the Riders. So when um, the pretty much of the first album was getting finished and we was all doing solos, I was gonna get the beat from Swiss, but I told him half toy because the way Diddy is now, you

gotta you gotta learn how to work him. So he came in. He played the first one I think he's just knocking anything. It's just rocking to it. Whatever it did, He's like, yeah, I think that's hot. I don't like it. Let's start looking at Switch. This is young Switsch. This is a few hundred million less Swine. He's still a boy. Switch. It shot him down like his whole whom he don't worry about him Slot out come back popping the all for the Love beat Now and the people is going crazy.

Diet on Angel Letty other producers that now did he like, Yeah, that's the one that's Swiss with the cooler man. I told you you gotta work him so and outside that because he's also very hands on the album, Like he's on a lot of hooks and stuff like that. Like it's almost like he was very passionate. Was it like working on that project with his constant input in the situation? Switzer? Did he did? He he loved? Did he did? He knew that he had the roy's youngest knew hottest spinners

in the world, so he loved this. Plus he knew he was new. Energy was great. Was a hill. You'll have a verse that you know it's fucking it? He like, ain't it? And you're like she used to kill me. You'd be like that' like we're looking at each other like that, like making our music and he trying to tell us and ain't gonna That was also the part of the problem, like you know what I'm saying, Like after a while, like you know what I mean, I think he was too egotistical, and I think he was

too egotistical. But like when you know what, you gotta think. We're coming from Yanka's it took. I mean, were definitely excited. We made it to the Chicago bulls and rap, but we made it to from a place nobody even fucking shouts out. I mean, Mary's from there. They get recognition, but no DJs. They all Manhattan, Brooklyn, Bronze Queens the outside. So we always like fucking like but like you said, I want to know, like between because the guys first

appearance on the Main Source album, so between that. So like music evolved though from that, from from when we was doing the demo and before um, like when we was working with Main Source and Chubb Rock in Dave wall I didn't sound we was gonna sign with you rock. Wow, that's amazing. Yeah, Mary put s Knight on the phone with us one time, yo time. One time we was in she's crib at the school because we go to we go to school and get I mean, we go

get snacks at the school. Then we go to his crib and watch video music by So the phone ring and is like its Sugar Knight. He hang up. We like some my prank calling. Then he called back like, no, this is Sugar Night. I could get on the Red Eye of night where however, many people y'all want and we want to talk about giving your deal. So we hung up. We're like, holy night, how didn't get your

number for like we would have went to that. So this is pre like we was about to sign with bad Boy that Tuesday maybe or that following week or the word out that we was about to sign was heavy and then out of nowhere. But during the three years spin from like with the main source project to your debut, like what was going through your minds we had discouraged about now he was just working. He was getting a lot of We was we was hot in

yall in west Chester, so that kept us. That kept us working until we was able to reach you know, outside and then a bigger broad at the time was like albums though incluing them was on dropping them joint. It was like bibles the first song, the first top five, but this before that, like he's saying from main source until we reached Diddy, Like we were just hot around the way, Like you know what main source wasn't even with the original rap was right, wasn't it like was

large prow was going. It was just the two DJs and Mike Like but you know, he's two been super professional from a youth, like a lot of ship, Like we're sow music in high school though we're so tapes in high school. Literally, Yeah, we had no trush growth thing going. No, so we worked that odd jobs. He's stolen the cassettes and we we we made the music press them up sold them around Yea. So it wasn't

you guys always felt like you wanted to be artists. Yeah, we went harding at it for since little guys like you know what I mean, doing local DJs. Then we found the DJ name Cash. But he was a white dude. He had a little bit more skills than all the dudes that just had the two techniques in the mixer and stuff like he had like he had some other ship in this crib. That was you know, he had some green land. He was like the first green land. He was able to put ship together and all that

till he came out. When did you first realize that your pain games was stronger than the average motherfucker? Like, who do you think person? You realized was like who got nice first? For the crew? It was all nice? We was on It was you because we every nights in high school. I was like the red Man and you did in high school. We would call each other with something we wrote that night before it was rapping with me, was rapping with Steve Tuning, but that wasn't

really I wasn't. I was just clowning like that was just like free styling off the head as a little kid sticks or none of that on it. Then we eventually like I started, but you know that's what's up from that start from remember early any early quotable like the bar that you got. He was like, wow, that's like I didn't know about professionalism. And when met them engage staff, I didn't, yo, yo, how about this and say yo, when you mess with Jay Skid, give me

some respect? What ever is? And your chicken said, that's chasing around bestiles. You said you were just like into professionalism role I didn't know like they like this is like I always salute them for that, Like these they've been professional since like fifteen fourteen probably that's when I really started sucking them around, like fifteen and all of that.

I didn't really know about studios. I was just like rapping outside, banging on the things like they was like studios organized time, get the money for the hour is do like I mean real ship, like I need to the point. I mean this is when really real was then. So I couldn't even this couldn't lay a verse for ship dog, I mean for ship. I got to rap outside do this like they knew how to, like yo,

get your ship tight. Get there. You think you just had to figure out the beat was I was ears deposed it like banging on the mailbox on the lunch table. So but it was just about because Yanks was filled with rappers like this. This is as I said that you guys have Metoris and you just kind of just learned that everybody X was our old old head and Bill blast um row Rome dudes like that was like

the older dudes in the town. That was you know, really rocking, and we used to watch them X had a historical battle with another dude named Bill Blast and Yankers that was like a historic thing. Almost got my ASKWI before coming in so late everybody had to spend the night I twelve. It was a historical ball x X prush them actually super super like it was a

legend in the town. Already. Ext used to have his music recorded over old Luther Van Drawers tapes or o J joints and just write X and the Black Pilot and he could sell it for whatever, famous platinum five times or for a lot of old matenion, a lot of that old material, but not getting beat dog with you on it, right, that was actually was a wild boy, like he was a wild He was a wild dude. But Yanks, you had the cipher like you know, you

had the really heavy block. You every block you go to, you wrap, you gotta really wrap, and you gotta out wrap the next nigger. Like so if it came a thing as in a loop as we kept going and kept going on, only a couple of people made it. Is that the reason why, like I think about it now, like you guys are so like your background is so crazy.

That is that the reason why now you have so much mix tapes and songs and freestyles all over the internet, mixtapes because it's like doing research for you guys like yo, I can't catalog too much. I mean we respect that. We're still having trouble with collecting all of this stuff, public stuff, so much standing understand the points of a catalog. Remember was let's see the song y these guys catalog. A catalog is in point. That's what makes you be

able to talk, makes you bad. People just want that one hit and then they just fade to fade away, and so you can't do. People don't respect the craft, be honest, Like this ship is no different from every other craft. A ballplayer stays in the gym, a boxing stays in the gym, mixed monster artists stays in the gym. Like whatever you do, you gotta stay doing what you do.

Like if you respect the craftic the minute you stop and say, I'm good enough to a good enough point to not even practice, not even thought freestyles here, man, just do think it's a rap for you because you lost it, You lost that passion, you lost the fire. Don't respect the craft for more respect you straight as straight as fun, so much music. I don't cass. You're working on the new project fab right, Yeah, just came off the tour, so we just I spoke the Lows yesterday.

We're getting it right because we're working on the Locks album, so now I gotta find that time and yeah, yeah we heard that. No no, no, no, no, no no no no. That I didn't even really want to say because we this is what it is every day in the studio now, even my solos on Everything's on hold. It's all about this Locks album. Why do you think at the time right now to do it? Um, just because because we

a lot of fans say the same thing. Beat I just said, we heard that before, and we just got actually tired and just said it's now or never, so we gotta do it. And we're actually doing it right now. You're coming into stood it makes sense because we just finally just dropped the solo. Yeah, we just let something now to free up the slate. So now we're gonna we're getting that done, so be doing the Freddy verse, Jason and Infant working on the Locks out and it's

still we are the streets too. Yeah, why why do that shot want to change it. I like that feel. You don't feel like it's a lot of pressure to because the first one is a classic. So do you feel like, Yeah, I mean it's gonna be hard. It's gonna be hard. But I was gonna say, what's your approach? Do you care about big name produces? The young town y'all need to hear another us and acts and like that kind of I don't I like it on paper, but I wanted to be right organic. Yeah, feel got

to be organic. You know, I'm pumping track list real quick. I think with us, I think with us, we work on keeping it organic. That's what keeps us around so long, like you know what I mean, and irrelevant. So we're gonna keep around so long that we embraced the new ship with Joey Badass and we funk with um Jeezy just called me the other day and seeing all them type of dudes, and we could be made a hit with j Juice. Man, you gotta you gotta a lot of a lot of dudes in out in our space.

They turn their back on them dudes, you know what I mean, whether it's they cup of tea or not. You still gotta embrace them because that's what's going on with music. Music evolves and you gotta know how to deal with individuals. According this is I'm looking at the track list now, like Dan, this this was really a classic album you had Fuck you of course the skits was crazy recognized a primo. It's good joints. Man, what inspired fuck you? Shan Sean? So when you would you?

When you maybe it wasn't like something angry like we all this, It was the whole thing was ventilation, vent and we knew what the funk we was talking about. Yeah, yeah, it was the show like these were good and these kinds that throwing out they're gonna work. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. That makes sense because it's like you come in like you know when you like you said, we first came and we're coming to the bulls. That's

Phil Jackson. But and we respect all he knows all he does and we learn it, but we also know what makes us like you know what it's like Kobe Fielding. Kobe was on the bench at first with yeah, he didn't know he had that and he's seen it, you know, I mean holy ship talking about you know, we know you know we know we you know what you talking about, but we also know what the we're talking about too.

But then the piggyback off that all all these years later to still have a relationship with Puff and for him to bend a little bit in respect out and respect us as music man. You see how I only had a small part. But you see how he made money making Mitch come out years later when he started listening that that comes that turns and the money may get wrote a couple of style Roll the Meat of

It and King Los and some other dudes. But once he he got in a different space and with his own self and start listening and he starts you can start hearing it in the music. You know what I mean? He called He's definitely get that. Why he wasn't on that bunch of times which was on tour with Ghost getting back. But what is it? What is about Puff that he always sends to have these kind of fallouts of people, but he does rectify it, He does reconcile because he's a good dude. I think it's just so

much going on in his life. Forty million dollars to kill the deals. It's hard to really clear your mind sometimes you know what I mean, because we go through that and we're only dealing with lesser millions. But you know what I mean, it's the same type of success as a motherfucker man. The more the more success you have around you if you don't have like fortunately, this was what also keeps us twenty years. Yes, man, we got each other. So they'll say, Yo, you're fucking bugging like, Yo,

don't do it. That's stupid. Don't and you gotta respect it, like you know, I might not feel it, but I gotta like a certain times before I do something stupid, I hit them like anything really doing industry. Most of the time I say, I'll call him before before I say I'm call I'm gonna do this move, and they'd be like, Yo, don't do that, that would be dumb,

or think about it, don't do it this way. Because once you take accountability and you have somebody that's telling you that was stupid, that you know, you respect they weren't. You got nothing, but you got to eat that. And you know, stupid Puff might not have that many people that he hangs with. That so he's immediate level like he's a he's a billionaire. Practically, you don't got too close billion their friends. I could say that's stupid. So what was it like during that time when you guys

are on no way out? Like did that same kind of energy existing like him being he was the biggest rapper at the time, the Sinkings artists. Yeah, so that was that was we have fun, makee no way out, We have fun. Definitely. It was all over the place. And that was um traveling the first time traveling, was traveling a lot besides the publishing thing with us and did he and like that was really that was a he was yo man. We did at parties with him and he did the whole party. We haven't parties since.

How we party like that again? She like everything that you hear on a dope song today that all the private jet, private jet, private jet going to caravan and nineties were smoking. Every act had their own jet. We were smoking on private jets in the nineties. We're stopping he click before. I was like, that's how you pronounced keep guy on this whatever he's popping. Click oh. In ninety he said, trust me, it's gonna be a good

looking I'm we were doing. We had sweets, we did everything before when it made it fly because he respected I'll fly too. So this is why we got a chip on our show the always, because we had that ship but were different. Yeah, but it was street fly like we was the fly sniggers to the tunnel. Dumb kind of niggers, wasn't there. You would see us on that old white party that were somewhere like yea, we was learning scific from the actually No Way Out tour.

Great say again the specifics of the I was winning a lot of money gambling playing, so that became a problem because it like I didn't. It was a segment where I didn't care about the tour nor more running

down and were running was making wild money. Maybe yeah, we see I got about forty fift just the other artists, little Kim's entourage, the junior Mafia, every yeah, even sometimes it's the whole the whole congregation is playing and make Diddy come with PAULI to the room with fifty in the briefcase and lose right there, and you know what

I mean, That's how intense it was. And then one day, um, then we used to be doing because we were doing I always we always love Big Papa and they'll be up there and I had to win sp into the stage. I get up there and winded and he started getting mad. No gambling before the show. This that but my one vague memory I got one time I was gambling. I heard the music start. I came out and bossed my ask. The choir was right there. I did one of them, Charlie Brown pumping the end, landing on my back and

they're like, oh baby. Had to get up and run to I said you, I ain't gambling no more. Before this was an, I had partner named Inky with me and we was just crushing ship rest in peace Wolf and then when we broke Wolf one day gave us like five No, he broke us. Then he gave some walk money. It ripped it up. Wolf chased him for

five he ripped up about wow. Crazy. So is it kind of like surreal to see like the line of for the for the Bad Reunion, it's almost similar to the No Way Out because he had j on there your head. You know what I was gonna say that back then he put the RMB artists on his toys and all that, you know what I mean, and hip hop toys. And she's like that because I've been on other ones with that she was like his island because like a girl somewhere the rough roight of No Way out,

No Way, that stage was his cash. That's the most note that was. That was dog crazy googled out be uff me like yo, and that that packed the stadiums having us and all that kind of stuff. You know, that was our first You get to go to the city, so you're going to the more sneaker stores, We're going to the hoods copping weeds. We used to run from security, like they used to put security on us. We used to ditch security go to the hood. They had an

app out the Locks into the hood. They ditch security all kind of like, you know, because that's that's who we was. So we was used to like get up, We're we're going to whatever is popping and that's what security like. That was our whole flow from then. That's where we got no security from security. A bad boy. Actually, wow,

we don't need to kill. One of the things I think that's so appealing about The Locks as a crew is you guys as collaborals, like do you ever sometimes step back and thing you can make like the best mixtape playlists, your sof for collaborals, what you guys have done, like which ones stand out to you? And we can just talk about those Hans for sure, all not can I live? Yeah, well, of course all about the Benjamin. What was that? Like, I want to thank you too. Yeah,

that's I can remember. That's of our dogs. We we as always a story with that, because we are. That's when we was a lot. We was young. We were still doing shows off the clue tapes, you know what I mean. We was everywhere crushing them. So I think we flew in the GUARDI or JFK and we got to call that Hove wanted us to do a song with him. But we at the airport and we're like, yoke, should we go away in a while, drop our bags off and all that? Should we just go to the studio?

So I don't know, probably collective decision. We went straight to the studio. We went to Branton first, of course, Branton liquor store. Then we went to the studio. We got there, it was just dude, it was that's the introduction of segull hold yourself. You go to rhyme force, he just starts spinning fifty. He stopped keep going he's making him rhyme until we're like, no, he's nice, he's nice. Nothing. Then after that they pulled up to beat Maric Sherman

and we that's how I reside. Our dogs came over. He's left her part out, he got off the thing. They laid all laid parts. It got to my part and niggas wanted to hit the club. Wow. Oh yeah, I was super tight. You know, I was still I was still on the thing, like, so we laid my part. So we came back the next day and they was in the thing and I went in the thing. I remember I was in the thing. I was looking at

everybody facing Oh. I came out to think. He was like, oh he was getting at us to the thing, and I think because I mean, that's what it was in those days. Anyway, you know, it was very competitive, similar kind of situation because it was more fun. I think before I was delivered with all family. So we came in,

remember them calling us for a May session. Then we came in and that was the Because a lot of people don't know, Mace used to be with us a lot rider studios every day before he was got on his Mace also so murder US three, we helped them be murdered to yeah, we helped them be murdered US three, Mason X and the rough Rider Studio would be the five, both rooms going Swiss, p K, Dame Grease on the beats, US five, US five rapping and then then um dragging

Eve came along. But that was pretty much the vibe every day, every room banging, everybody just going in. It was a competitive nature within the bad Boy camp with you guys, Black Rob, Mace, even Big to an extent like hell yeah, because you have to rap, had to keep your bars up, had to keep your bars up, like you know what I'm saying that. It definitely was, but it was love too. It's like a basketball team. Like even with them three, I get on the song

with these two. I don't want you saying kiss or she was better than mine. I'm cool with it if that happens, and I'm glad you know it's one for the team, but I want, yeah, I want to try to body like even with us, we'll say something I like you got that I kissed you guys like we do that within each other. That wants you, But does it ever bother you left you guys on the record and kisses and or like vice versa, like what you mean firstance? Like one record I think about in particular

the clips. I'm not sure as you and uh youre kiss on it together, but you're not on it. Yeah, Like I'm as mad at you know what I'm saying, Like I miss the jail ship old kind of yeah, like my mom wasn't dead with all that, Like I was cool with this, the like people, he loves he loves people. You know what they say, You're moved like a drug. The damn at the time school would like just doing a group. He was looking for the outside and really they can't men kind of focused on like

that and then breaking off and doing solo ship. Hey hard actually told me to yo, watch when you wrap at the station. They're loving to do more. Yeah, you know got me into that shell than that and then it just jumped off. So how does that how? Also because you guys did more work that, how did you guys go and put the back and forth style like you guys together more so kissing styles that doesn't actually develop. I think in the lab we just do different ships.

Like Dope money was the first was it Dope money or made man made men, made men was the first time, Tommy was the first thing was getting hot. This actually was getting hot. It was getting hot, and we didn't have that much room to do all of it. Made men, all of us and make it make sense. It would have been too dragged out, especially because the beat wasn't um. The beat was slow. It wasn't like. It wasn't an up tempo over. So we man We made it in and out like it was a fact. Next week, what

was that fight about? She was crazy looking for X. Somebody who looked like EX did something that wanted his assistance in Boston queen or somebody they did somebody who looked like EX did something said so they was super deep. We're sucking up and we can't find actually sucking this whole tauru automatically this niggle was what goes in the hallway and then it jumps off. It was a stand was crazy man, Ray was cool. So I went in the hallway, was like, and this is a renal hallway.

That ship was packed. They were all winning the hall, our room, our dressing room, went out there. We got out there. It was a million made men with avery Rex. Is that said, bigging on something had betimes, you know the ones that you packed down to see if you got guns on you. They was hitting us with dolls and ships, you know, the big black and yellow. I'm actually chopping it up with Busy, you know, me and me and Ray chopping up. Use it. He raised a

good dude. We raise cool. So we're chopping it up. Raise stick man right over his shoulder, his eyes grilled and everything is like he don't care. He move, he an't care what we were saying. He he's just like that. I'm asking them, yo, catch a catchup, cave. Catchup came from the service. Catch up right, came from outside. Then it was like cartoon, like the click rock Star. They click rop Star. First they clicked out, they clicked up, they clicked the smartest dude, they click they clicked that

nerd genius. Boom. I'm hearing mash it like this out there going out there. I'm drinking, Me and Busy drinking and ship open the door. Sneak Styles bleeding said I love it looking at it. Blood coming out of the face said yeah, like what's our started tonight Joe at the time they went past that line, and then something we wentn't past their line and ship day it was like yeah, because they started overpowering us on the blows

the knife the hawks came out. Then it was like and then it's like a separation for a minute, and then I felt my sneaker was off. I was like half knocked out. I was hyped though, like I was, I was super hype. And then we just went we went who put some working that kind of like yeah, boom boom boom, I want hit and quit and just put us in the same bullpen. Yeah. Then we was in the bullpen and Boston and then I kept hand my name and then I was like usual suspects. Though

I was bleeding, I had the floor. I ain't see nothing lefter at that. But then that was crazy because they said I should have killed Ray. Yeah, that's what the post He's told us we should so strong. He was strong. They had to pull the toll busses up to the precinct and get us side of it because he had the hotels around. Wow. How yeah, now that fight? How did that not get to that? With you and Rockefeller? During those we didn't see each other and say God a long time when you see I was down. I

ain't allowed outside. One day right and they hit Factor. We're waiting for beans was something crazy and he was he was on the phone with each other privately. The maddest day I have. I got two mad times with that. One time they laughing. I was chat at the tear. I wanted to go to Hot nineties seven with the trade pound. One day Flex was letting them go out there and this air's out. I'm like, yo, how can

he do something? Got into me like just go down there with the three fifty seven and do something stupid. Get busy. But they talked, God say this from and do you know what it was with the Niggs crap. So they were saying some ship like you know whatever. It was like whatever, they're busy they you know, they said the nigger um. And we had a promotional van now on Philly. It somewhere Beans grabbed and they got the driver smacked them up. Then it give us driving

the logs van. They was on it like when Hit went to a show in Philly. We went too deep and we had the thing and they're looking at us and they're looking for they're looking for everybody. They're looking like, where's the rest of these niggas are like and we're just like, yo, fucking man, we're from you know what it is, what's going on whatever, and them niggas like love.

I was like, oh, we got Philly. Philly still loved because the big thing was because before beats, Philly was like one of our biggest, biggest, you know, biggest supporters and fish ways so more show than the rocket feller. I was worried about Philly flipping on them, like you know what I'm saying, because of it. But when Philly still loved us, that's why I said we're good like

we're good money, like you know what I'm saying. I went in and Philly, we were playing the audio before you guys came in and be one of the stupidest things. We can't get to because the freestyle, Yeah, the boss, give me the beast. It's like a medicine bag. I looked at my son, different gods, fitting head in your back, standing over the body, fired again, said signal wire riding again. The crowd crazy. They had a process that for a second because I was killing I was one of my

best shot my four assault like my solo shows. I was in the sixes of arena had the true blues or I was feeling like Diddy status and then just screwed Ship. Why not what you mean? I started talking about see you go out of nowhere. They do everything you could throw at They do everything I was. I thought they was cheering right there. It was he was going there the switch that he wasn't even on the bill or none of that. I like something. No, I was my dodge game is mean. Yeah I was dodging Ship,

but they was throwing everything was crazy. But why I got him back a little one when I because we're gonna make it came out a little, but it was still Ship was crazy. But before before you did that? Why because I always try to get you. Just just something just came out of nowhere. Go at take the shot. You take the shot when you then watch like yeah, watch that, so I think you take the shot. We

take the shot. Then another one another one here because you gotta show you don't give a fuck like that. That's the key to this, Like that's where new rap goes wrong. Well, I hate news. Why do you think there's no good disc records? And with each other, they did disrespect, but they dick ride each other too much like you got he's a star, you a star. It's one galaxy. I got enough room to both these stars. And somebody's shipped on another star, but philosophy on him.

But it was crazy, is like I was saying before you guys came in when I was in high school,

obviously grew up on your niggers. Like when those mixtapes dropped, those disk records, that was like watercool talk like nig can still talk about it to this day, Like like that's why I was saying, I never I didn't care if I was became songs either they make this into songs like you know what I mean, just want to as it's on all you know, it was getting the storio and cats was gonna was taking bets in high school,

like who's gonna get killed first? Like couple of the things that you guys would saying that back that night. But at the same time styles, I don't know social media, that's true. Back that gave a little more privacy and it, yeah, it swayed away from you know things audience couldn't make fun of it, be involved. We were still outsiders, like we had a right. You can send the meme to

the you can get under the skin more. But styles you said, I remember the freestyle you did over Wait a minute, he was like, we're still gonna bump your ship, Like you still had a resist, still respect for the craft, I think a second, because you don't want to fan like that's what often in rap battles, like people don't acknowledge the skill of the opponent, Like you know what I'm saying. So we're saying, hey, you're a worthy opponent.

I like it you and I'm not gonna we were cool with them niggers like before that, Like you know what I'm saying. That music like like why we was beefing, why we was beef and nothing was changing about I was still riding the I'm knocking see you on the hold, all the songs that I played from them before all they knew ship that was dope, even the ship say was this enous because you gotta do your homework and you want to listen and you're a fan. It was they still who they are and they still got that

skill set. That's like you're saying, if you play ball and you know he gonna he's nice too, Like you just you don't you don't like just like each other. There's be something is you don't even touch gloves before the fight, No touching the gloves, none of that. After the fight, touch gloves, hug It was all good. We scrapped to that. We did what we did. But even but you even had at one point, I think it was your kiss. He was like, even your boss is soft.

It was the seagull. You don't talk about rocket Feller stuff like that. So you kind of like bade hold a little bit. Hol did the smart ship like he sicked the wolves. He baited us the sick the wolves. He did like the intelligent are the war He was really all the warring on us, Like you know what I'm saying, Because he was he was doing both things, and he was going to call and doing the street thing at the same time and building his company, so it kind of looked like a trifector. I'm a bat

him started. And because he was doing all the remixed kisses was Kiss was doing at the time, he kiss was on fire at that particular moment as a solo artist. So we was looking at like, oh, ship, we see what he's doing. And then it just panned out to that way, and then it was smart. He also grabbed up pick and told him to stop while they coming at me like that too, and Sony or your wife, you know what I mean? But do you ever always love?

But do you regret that line that you said, Um, it's a man's world, said it to your dead man's No, I mean, because it wasn't. I didn't. Everybody said a witty A witty spitter knows how to say something and let you decipher what it means, opposed to just blatantly saying, you know what I mean. There was no disrespect to Elia or nothing that happened was just a line. You know what I mean? Those lines man, like the battle of you and beans. We had beans up here. I

forgot to talk about it like people's favorite battle. I think at this point, like there's something special about that battle, like obviously Jay notby they loved the battle like the seagull and the fifty sig actually hurt me, hurt me more like it hurt me personally because he was like my friend or like my little man, not you know, not to say he was my little man. But Hope

asked us to snamp him before reservoir dogs. You know what I mean, we was we was like the big love that I might balk it extra spit of the locks. That was he was telling us, coming to us, looking us out of eye, saying I really know what I mean. So I knew it was something that wasn't genuine because I never said nothing about at least fifth had that. You did this song with John and he can use that segu had nothing. They just was pick with the you.

So what did that comfrom? You say, blackstage to hugging your mom's Like yeah, because on the A they got me with pictures hugging his mom's on it don't because I watched the movie Where's the Snow? It ain't in the movie the Somebody's Photo album. What I'm saying, what toy was that the um hard knock life, Yeah, hard life backstage bag shut out the beans in them? No man, So how did you? How did you officially resolve it?

Like what was their meeting or you just spoken I don't want to have no beans just faded out because I don't remember now he started then he had turned more. You wouldn't he had his turn more? He end up saying they made him in Puerto Rico one day. It was Puerto Rico. We was in Puerto Rico, some of the something like that. It was one of those. It was one of those because yeah, fifty was performing, fifty has a big fifty had the big headline whatever that was.

We see we didn't see Siegal, but we've seen free. You've seen Free. Actually it was me and Luke on the steps. It was me. It was me, you ain't it me? And I met him downstairs. Yeh, it was me and you ain't hit on the on the thing. And then we came up with a plan A and the plan B in the plann C. Yeah, I remember

the whole ship. First one was like, oh, we're just gonna fuck freeway up right there because we was in the same because we was in the same model, and we was like we could jump this and Nigga right here, and he was dollar because he didn't see us yet. He didn't see us yet. We've seen him going in, but he didn't see us yet. So we're just like hi. And then we was like, you know what, let's chop it up. Like you know what I'm saying, Let's go chop it up. We in Puerto Rico. That would be

fucking stupid. We're gonna sunk up this in the scope. YadA, YadA, YadA, jail Puerto Rico. Let's let's see if we get to come to see if it comes to some terms like you know what I'm saying or something or and then um, because before that we've seen each other a couple of times. He had a few incidents nobody don't really know about because the Internet wasn't out where. It's like fun, y'r niggers want to do it, what's up like and all

of that. But it was like, you know, somebody's gonna get shot, somebody gonna get something stupid is gonna happen. So let's surprised you meet the person. Man, how cool they are? Like you know what I mean? A lot of it we've never even met even sat here like this ever. Wow, that was that was a crazy time, man, just going up to Hot ninety seven. I feel like you guys in Union and dip Set to an extent too, started off like keeping niggas listening to the radio for freestyle.

Now it doesn't really have the same kind of appeal anymore. I think that's two reasons. One because in the m C and one because it's the DJ. So it's both because when you take out the appeal of the importance of freestyling and point of actually being able to lyrically rhyme, kind of fux it all up. You know what I mean. I said, you tweeted something like recently you said like every three weeks you feel like not rapping anymore, something like that, and then you throw like four songs on

sound floud. I mean, I love the I love the rhyme like I love. If I ain't had these two, probably I probably would have quit, to be honest with you, because it's you know, um and I don't know. It's like the lyricist. The appreciation of lyricism isn't what it

used to be. Like you know what I'm saying that I get it because music change, things evolved changed, but the attention span is so short and then more so than that, not even with us, because fortunately throughout it all we get the They funk with us, the young people, the old people. Everybody funks with us, but it's fucked up like like no, no, not the um young thug. But whenever a person like me is looking at a die hard little Wayne fan for seven years, say funck

little Wayne because a young thug. It makes me feel fucked up from where where hip hop is like nowadays, Like if you had a favorite, you stuck with who your favorite was, you didn't change that ship up in four weeks. You can't say Drake was your favorite, then Kanye is your favorite next week, then Jake Cole is your favorite than Kendricks, your who the fund is your favorite? You could like a ball like you know what I'm saying, But they can't all be your fucking favorite. So that

should be like, you know, but I respect that. You know, I'm a little older than these dudes, like I could be some of the falls. My son's eighteen, he's graduating this ship and such, and so I don't try to judge it like like he said, we don't have the right like the rest of our peers and a lot

of people in our age group judging the knocket. I just said, it's fucked up, and yeah, Kin kind of challenge the audience with the roll out of your last album with that in terms of likeficient Rod, just to show them you could do you know you can do that.

I acknowledge the new listeners is partly due to our kids, Like you know what I mean, I got a son that's about to be a junior Clark Atlanta and then fashion and his air and this his whole involvement in the culture is very influential in my career, you know what I mean to a certain aspoint. Yeah, it's a bug him out being that his dad is Jada Kiss Like he's like the same age you were when you first started out right, Yeah, you just spend more money

than my dad was just Robert Phillips. But what's it like growing? Like you guys live life changes obviously with the juices and health and you know the guy, the personal changes you guys have made, Like how did that develop? Like to be plant based? Are your experience? Man? Like we say, like the ship is morning, incorporate everything. I think people like a lot of people look at the locks or d block and they you know, you see a rap group or that's what you see, or you know,

I think we more than that. We like an organization of family and teams. So this starts from always like if one is doing better, you want you want your brothers to do better. Like Lucis calling me seven in the morning, Nice day, Go go work, out. You hit that track, there, you hit the weights. It's looking bright. Can't show here's a new FOODSPI eat this and such and such me vice versa, because it's more than that. Like our families are families besides us three, Like that's

what a lot of people don't understand. But besides this, I think our evolution comes with trying to get bigger, trying to be more successful, trying to be impossible, knowing where we're from, staying around it, and then being connected with each other and respecting each other's word. So it kind of keeps everybody grounding and on a on a level of growing and inspiring to be better together. Like the hood too, Yeah, for sure, that's what we did.

That's that's that's the main thing. Because you know, I mean not to be funny, I hate to sound preachy, but hip hop is the biggest influence to the youth, Like you know what I'm saying. And if we it's a bragger doocer sports, so you're supposed to be bragger dooceer, say you're better than everybody and brag about the ship you've got. But how many niggas in the hood could even really afford a civic, like go to the hook, right, So we talk about it. You can't get that. You

can't get the Rolex. Niggers can't get the civic and the swatch. So if we all credit card or like you're saying, so Certain Ship, we know as the locks. We try to stay grounded with attached to the bank and we keep the balance. So we know. Health got a lot to do with that, like health working out,

You ain't healthy. You can't be fake or nothing. What I'm saying you want ain't just the working out neither, like I mean, it just ain't to eat, because it's about eating, working out and being in a good mindspace and good being around good people with good energy. Like we were just in the car talking about Certain Ship.

We avoiders and because we don't want to be around fucking bad energy, we don't need that ship like we you're trying to build together, So a little bit of bad energy can suck the whole groove up for everybody. So we try to all beware of that, be mindful

of it and trying to grow. Know what I'm saying, like the O G perspective, trying to go out at the end of the day, being an artist or this hip hop industry is only it should be a stepping storm branch you off, you know, make some money and do create some other avenues for yourself, whether it's juice and you know what I mean, I want to do the voice over things, a bunch of things to do with we gotta you know, your brand always talks about this.

Allives like groups. You know, there's not too many groups anymore, like there's maybe a handful if that. What's the secret to the success and why do you think that doesn't exist? Just watching all of them funk up, you know what I mean, watching dudes and have Twitter rants, have financial arguments over on social media, or just bash they bashed somebody they came in the game with, you know, uncontrollably

for no reason. We we use all of that as tools to keep us loyal and no dividing conquer no financial people get in your air and do none of that type of you know, no underhanded snake ship and keep anything one hundred and it is what it is. We agree to disagree. We don't always collectively agree on the same thing right off the bat or none of that. And it's never it's not gonna be like that of three rules out of threes, that's what it is. That's what it is for your two out of three rules.

But why do you think other artists interos feel like they don't need to pair up with each other, Like everybody wants to be an individual artist, Like why do you think you don't see really people coming your circle to do that kind of Ship's definitely people get in your air. But for one, a lot of them is not organic. None of them didn't know each other since little kids, like a lot of them didn't play pop

Warna football together. And all of them, you know, they met down the road and their journey we met before we was going to school shopping. They goethering for them looking for deals for air forces. So it's a different kind of it's different. You gotta respect their brotherhood, like you know what I mean, Like I think a lot of dudes like money. Money is definitely the easiest thing that could divide you. And I think we came into the door like we said fucking earlier. I mean, we said,

let the lots go on puff. Bad boy is very young men, So that should show you an idea of it got to be a band of brothers. Like you know what I'm saying, and I think that has me That sucks me up with a lot of rap groups because it's sad to say, not to be funny. I was just looking at that ship with him and um Cam last night, like I love dip Set, not even like as a as a fan of music. It kind of it sucks you up when you can't see a group that you love. It sucks me up. This not

see Hole with Bigs and Game. Yeah, all that ship like really fucks with us, Like you know what I'm saying that kind of like I want to see g Unit as g Unit, like you know the stand want to see Rocket fell as. Even if it's not all the time, it should be able like once twice Christmas, maybe New Year's some ship they should be because that ship built a lot of this city. Do you think

that they built that's true? Do you think that the locks if you guys came out today as that couldn't sustain the way fucking hell yeah, wait till your head, because we win, we would be the same people who we are now, you know what I mean? We win, We' not ying while we are run. It's still go. Yeah, we didn't change we should I mean we yeah, we're evolving depth, but we don't change with the initial what we're here introductions? Do you even win together or you

feel together? And I think a lot of artists don't keep that in mind, Like you know what I'm saying. You think it's with a lot of people that people might looked at in the early days of rap, like you guys reputation like hot hairs, a thugs, the kind of thing like a Nori or you guys like they end up you guys end up having the longevity. Were a lot of people thought like maybe you guys wouldn't be in there for the long haul, but like, if you guys have been there for like decades, you make

the transition. We was hot heads, we were we were hot heads. Nori was a hot head that was able to businessman. Yeah, you know what I mean that you get it, you understand it, and you grow when you learn this shouldn't make it work for you and you you understand that being a hot head is not gonna keep you around. You cool your head off a little, gonna get to that album. Do you ever missed out your misiness being uh reckless of times? I mean I

love once a month. I don't miss it. You know what it is because sometimes you know, sometimes in this thing, like people say things to you that you want to put hands on them for hands and feet on them for social media, social media, like you know what I mean. It's a lot of no, not not not not not

in a disrespectful way. It's just some sometimes somebody says some ship that's just playing no stupid like sometimes and you you you think about it and you go there, but just kind of I just remember the smell of the jail, and that brings me right back to reality. I remember fucking lifting my nuts and spreading my cheeks for I'll go to the visit room, lifting my feet and open them up. Yeah, I try to think of all that ship and lawsuit money and lawyer money, and

then you know it just ain't fucking worth it. And then you calm yourself down with that. But sometimes you want to smack the ship out of somebody's human anybody want to smack all the time. But I won't miss it. I miss it. I don't miss it, got it. I like a free smack, though hand, and I take a free smack every style. You seem like the most out of the crew that you stay on social media monitor things a lot more than maybe she could kill to like why why why is that your thing? Like why

do you why do you have to? I have to because one, um, when I've been independent for a long time, you know what I'm saying. Um. Two, I have a juice business too, you know. Three, you gotta under you know, you gotta under look at your level or rap. Like if I don't stay busy, then then then I could fade out slightly. I could get it. I could get probably a six month break hearing there. But then it's

like my fans is like, what's up? So, you know, I just feel like I gotta snail on Twitter to be to adapt because it's really you know, I've adapted to being now trying to get snapped because I've done the homework and Snap and Facebook is actually more engaging with your fans and Twitter, but I'm so used to talking more than taking the picture. And it's a way for you because the fans engaging those who funk what

you funk with you and go buy that music. I figured, you know, let me work who I got right, and he worked these motherfucker's so I can't that kind of ship. I have fun with it. I get the hang of this ship. He don't even say nothing. It is bopp into the camera there for that the anti Sophie, anti mirror picture. Right, That's what I'm trying. I'm trying to help not a lot of them play the music in this box. That ship crazy. To get somebody your phone and let him snap you. Yeah, that's what I do.

I just snap of it. Ship felt snap you the toy people gets on social media in depth. In me, I'm just on Twitter more. I'm just trying to get the Twitter's fun for me. It's like it's maybe some ship I wanted to wrap that I ain't gonna wrap flag. You just tweet have a full blown argument with you on Twitter. I said, lie, but Pat, my past three years been cool my name in my past early days, I had certain words for that cock goggless buffers. But that's always up the lost because you guys, event on

your records like kiss. One of the records I still think about is like feel me and still feel me? Are we're still going to get more of those kind of yeah? I mean, you know, I had to go through some more stuff and I definitely did so, I'm definitely gonna. I'm actually I reached out the owl a few months ago to cook up another feeling. That ship, that ship he just asked you, was the ship that

drives me the most crazy. When people go like sometimes like when people want you to go in the back to a certain place a record like yo Holiday, I'm like, I don't want to go to jail, like you know what I'm saying, But they're not the song I'm saying the feeling of that that I'm not in that Zoe. I might catch that Zoe hearing there, but I'm not walking around ready to stab people, ready bust my stuff. Ricky say, I'm ignorant and bus gun sell. I'm still that.

I'm working the other shot. I met the other side. It's good over there. It's relief again and not get in trouble. You know what I'm saying. It's it feels good to wake up and walking to walk in the building, and I have that energy on you and not have that vibe on wanting to fucking shoot or stab or beat somebody looking over your back, worrying about them doing the same to you. Being able to say I'm right in now. I tell the person I ain't gonna let you put hands on me and get close to me.

But I'm cool with telling anybody I'm cool like I'm cool. Dog, I don't want the problems I give you one or two. I don't want no problems if you get close something to do I gotta do. But if you know you gotta hip hop, especially in hip hop, you gotta We've in the locks like for a long time, and we say not to knock no other rappers, but this is a long run of being guarding ourselves. Dog, this is a long like. That's not there's no token or no

ton't no award for that. But you know what it is that landing on the plane, no ratchet, go to a club, hood, authentic stickup kids, dope dealers, strippers, jack boys, niggers who want to see if you who you said you was, and you have to carry yourself a certain way. We're blessed to be alive, like you know what I'm saying. People don't like we blessed to be alive and blessed to be here and blessed to be able to go

into the town. And and I'm saying people who we should be worried about, say, Yo, we love y'all, we got yall. We're holding y'all down? Whatever happened? D blocks here? I don't even notice, nigger, I'm D block D blocks in the building, Ratty's in the call? What like? Is that the thing? Like you guys? Of course, have you know commercial success? I remember kiss you said? You know you get respect depending who says it, and things like that.

You want to plaque with the triangle on your wall? Like, are those kind of the things that really matter to you? Is it more so? Because? Of course? And then it is a different Music is in a different space. Like you you put out music the tour to make money off touring, to get sponsors, to to stand that to Brandon, um, you get you get all you can get a bunch of things attached to once you roll out a good layout.

And that's where it is now. That's why they came with three sixty deals because they didn't figure out how to sell records again, so now they got to eat off any avenue you can eat off. So obviously that ain't what it's about. When you see whole drop by album attached to and I was a bush or Samsung. You really know that it ain't that ain't what it is, you know what I mean. You gotta find a new abum, You gotta find a niche and find a way to

work the system right now. But you feel validated when it gets from the fans and the people that you know, like those guys that you talked about them right styles Like that's where the validation comes from. Yeah, we get validation from making the people feel how they feel, you know what I mean. Of course, everybody wants to have money and perks and be on private jets and all

of the good bullshit and the amenities. But at the end of the day, when your artist is about you putting your music outing and reaching the people who love you and making them feel good. So who's putting this locks out out? Man? You know what I'm saying. Business Wise, we got nice announcement. I saw you guys at the Rock Nation, the couples going over and were talking. We're talking business man, trying to make some trying to do

big business. You know, that's a lot of things, things like people don't understand what the locks we as the Locks as a group, you know, we um went through some things as solo artists. We figured it out for us to come back as the Locks and had to make sense for us as the Locks before. It just makes sense for everybody else too. You know what I'm saying. We're working a couple of months. We're working in the

lab every day. We're working in the lab every day. Um. So the goals that make an announcement and then get this out. But my buddy, we need a couple of big I need a couple of producers I'm looking for. We're looking for styles Dame Greece. Just I'm looking for metro booming and mustard too interesting. I need them, to need them, I need them. Do you guys always did that? You guys are vibe. We're looking for a look like

I'm um, Mike will who y'all need to hear. I'm trying to like when they hit Primo out Dame Greece, I like, I like what I liked, maybe become a Locks fan. So not necessarily were trying to do. We're trying to do, try to please you. That's what we're gonna doend money too, So it's like I like, but that's what we try to do. Like, um, but basically going to take the originality of the Locks and what we do and how we work as solo artists and

Tampa with new Ship, but keep it Locks. We're gonna bring that effect to the Locks at like you know what I'm saying, like but more of what you looked, what you looking for, kind of like like last record you did Jason Swiss, we named that when we did that year in review on the website. That was like our favorite beat of the year. And that beat was like who what is? It was like it was just head Swiss in the zone Dough. I caught him in one of their Yeah with Swiss, you gotta we got

to catch him, like catch him in the zone. That a lot of but especially him because he like our little brother and he know you know sometimes he's in the South of France with him, but when he comes back and get that, yeah, when you catch him in the South of the Bronx. I was able to catch that Jason off from like that. And the record you did with Puff two was towards the end of mm old man oh man, yeah, oh man, wow. Yeah, that it was hard like they wasn't they wasn't even gonna

take that beat. Really, Yeah, I forced that on that that was a great record. He was like no. I was like hell, no, hell, yeah, it's going on. We're doing this. Was it like righting for puffing that in that zone for that project. I had it fun because I was telling what to do, like hell, because he wanted he wanted it like he wanted instructions and to

be regulars. So I was abusing it. But he's you know, I respect about He's a fucking hard worker though, because he takes it like I'm like, no, you don't say that verse like that though. U now he wanted the later vocals, he is no pushing them. That's one thing about it. That's why I think that's why we work great with him, and we we that's what part of our twenty year runners understanding that from early work, work around the clock, be fourthful, would it be best energy?

If you gotta take off, lay down, do that come back, same forceful energy, same work with it, get right to it. So it was like I lay something for him. I lay it. The problem is that I don't. I don't write, so that that's where it was becoming irritating, but not for me. So I lay it, and so I can't direct him how to say it off for paper, like you know what I'm saying. So I'm telling him saying how you were saying, but say this part like this.

You know, sometimes you gotta do something. But what was dope is even shift I wasn't on, he said to me, Am I saying it right? I'd be like, nah, like you know what I'm saying, or like certain should I tell him? I don't think you should get me to write that. Maybe you want to. I think you know, maybe Meek sound better on that, fab sound better than that. I think he would write that better or he would

write that better. So he's he's much more open. I think he's just in a space of comfortability and being much more open and kind of respecting, because I felt like, if you hired me to come do a job, you know what I'm saying, I do the job, and I come to do my job. But he came to me like I hired you to do the job. I know what your job is. I respect it. Um all is

I'm taking directions. I'm listening. And then there's something you wanted to be the he wanted to be the artist, and the dope think about it was he was really going in the booth, learning it and going in the booth like concerned ship. I was like, you could learn it and and read it off for their going in it, but this particular one learn it thing, going the booth and do it so you could be moving your hands

free and actually take the time out. I'm like he got three other sessions too, Like he's doing three four sessions and actually still taking the time to go all right, okay and this room that room. So it was pretty dope. Do you still write us everything off? Ahead down? Because I'll be drinking this moment. My writing is not I don't write because I can't do it now. But mind is not all for like, to be honest, mind is not like all for a dope thing like I don't

need to write. If I write on paper, I'll be here racing all day and I flow off be on b It wouldn't be able to read it. I wouldn't be able to. So I had a lot of stop jobs. He's sleeping and ship and then it just wake up with the first. So was it like that during the bad boy days too? Since you didn't right or so puff having that same were you mentoring him during those

days of how to say things. Was he being responsive to it or yeah, he was the same same back then, but now even more so now he was before he was listening and taking all the advice, but he still was the boss. Now. It's like when I was doing Triple Him, it was like you're a boss, I'm a boss, and we're working together, so it's kind of a different vibe. But he always I think he always gives a hunting

in temper center work. So he's a workhorse. I've you won't really find too many people like that in the industry, even with music, because back then I used to be like he's fucking coming in sprinkling things on something and something like working with working with with Triple Him and over the over the things that they're gonna take a small piece. I've seen him tell Marion Wane to take a small piece of something very dull and bland and

sounds some way teller guitars do this. I was seeing James Brown in him, like you know what I'm saying that I was feeling like I was watching like he watched James Brown, like you know what I'm saying, Like he he's he is the closest thing to James Brown that we could get a saying take that. Now, he don't do the music a thing, but he was piecing that ship together and it was coming out crazy. I was like, oh, ship one thing I also wanted to

know too. It's like you gotta started pioneering that my cause the same color I remember was on it was out of money power respected that. Yeah it was who saw it? He said, got the color, same colors. Fire that was that we made it and he just made it get off together for we had to be ready because afterwards everyone had color the same colors. I mean

that was dopeboy. That was dope boy shoot in the hood, like you know what I'm saying, that's from block talk, Like you know what I'm saying, Like that was dealer talk. But then he also had the I mean the hood like that was. That was a thing that everyone ran with him. Like yo, man, these things they're giving no credit. That's good. I thank you for that. I got, like the fun up I get out. It's a lot of ship. We missed the crap about to tweet that ship. The credit for a lot of ship dog the hood is

you know you got the Hall of Famers. Man, yeah, but we still have the credit for a lot of ships. Actually, now since we made it up here, I feel not better, he said. He said about time exactly got the text with the thing, you know. Elliott next went, I said, looking through this all day saying we gotta get out here. But we were saying, like, it's just crazy to feel

like I just got back to New York. I was in d C. It's like the energy in the city's excited right right, like everybody the Barclays, like everyone's excited. And then once I saw you guys are gonna be on the real tour going forth, you know, the toy kicks off in the fall, Like, it's just crazy to be You're not in that situation, man, So what do you think people should expect from the tour? Like when they go off. He's trying to make it real. Theatrical

the stage is humongous. Stages one of the biggest stages we have. You can actually work lose weight on that damn stage. The stage is humongous. He got all the acts together and rocking the classics. It's just a real good energy and vibe. I think that the show is well worth it. You know, some people complaining about the price of the ticket, but I think after you sit there and absorb that, you'll be Yeah, it's definitely well worth it. You guys are kind of weaved into the set.

It's like we got our own set in. We rock with him like every that's what everybody. Everybody got a little medley of their own joints, and then you got the joints with him and a big six. It's gonna be It's gonna be an incredible show. I've got old school pyros and explosions. He spent a lot of money more than you show. Yeah, he gives a funk about he spent. He spent some bread on this production. I mean all the way around. He'll come in clap at

your energy. Yeah, listen that he's get. We get Biggie holograms and nothing else. I don't know. You guys gonna be performing like some of the classic B side. I mean you probably do this on your own shows, but like inside the set list saw him. Yeah, because especially you gotta let him. We're letting them really rock for these these two Barkley joints. I guess if we want to switch something before we take off and hit the road.

We probably do some tweaking like that, but for right now, you gotta let him like you guys ever did like a reservoir Dogs in full, or maybe like can I Live? You've done Reservo if everyone yeah, Wow, I've never seen that a few times with everybody wow, and can I live? Well he said that twenty five hours. Yeah, started and started something definitely wow. Looking forward to that for me. Get it so you get that new album out before you guys going to the tour this fall. New music.

We definitely put work. We're gonna make the system work this time, working on and it's that anybody guys haven't worked with that, you want to work. If you've done eminem Na just now, Stacks would be dope outcasting outcasting the locks, be a nice soul the greatest groups, be a nice song with j Cole right now. I love ja about him? What do you think it's special about him? Got the whole? He got the whole. Yeah, he could fit in out and be all right. That's what I think.

That's as simple as that. If he was came out when we came out, he'd be all right. Right now, That's why I think Drake got to to a certain, to a certain I was going with that till they had the um for me, I was going that to that, to the Quinn Miller to that ship came out, Oh the Drake, Yeah, I was like, it was Drake, Cole and Kendrick for me, Like you know what I mean. But I like I like Cold because I feel like he's he's just he's the producer and those stuff he produces.

I just feel like he's grown. He's grown so much. He's always giving them, giving yourself, been itself, but he grows and he beginting that diggers. I don't know when you put it because when shp he be getting that nigger dog like, I don't know if people be catching it. Cold be getting at everybody like he'd be saying a lot of ship and he begetting at his piers, the older folks, the younger folks. I hear it, I'll be

catching it. So I'd be like, I really like that about him, But he stays remains himself, like you know what I'm what does that come from? From? You? Guys? I know we're gonna leave soon, but like lyrically, when I hear your Jenna kiss versus. They always say Jennakins never spred a whack Versus always makes me laugh. With styles, you got that ignorant. I don't give a funk. You know that type ship and she could kind of like an extension of styles of style? Where does that come from?

Like everyone's lyrical abilities, I guess for me each other though, more than anything. I mean, we fans a hip hop, so we listen to music you probably think we wouldn't listen to. But I think being around each other in the studio and I could just get united off him and I come in off a few you know. I've been on the road, so I missed some of the locks joints and I just sit there with the engineer light one and listen to some of the joints they laid and be like, holy ship, dog, I gotta you

know what I mean? And that keeps it more than the same as I feel like I just throw on a new drake or new hove or anything. Do you listen to the ocean like? Laugh for Chuck would be like, I don't even really have just make it and I hope you love it. Yeah, that's I think that's I think that's a big part of keeping our group forward. Thinksten to ourselves. We don't listen to ourselves that much. Like if you're getting the car and you're playing and

I won't like it's mash it I hear. I forgot I did it because I'm in the car with my homeboy and he's playing on somewhere. Because as an m C is like like the Kiss just told you, we respect the funk out of our craft, like we listen to ship. You don't probably think we would listen to. We respect like I see rock Ham Cooge Kane, careress E, p m T. To this day, it's it's still as if I was thirteen or fourteen. Yeah, those are the

masters of what we do. Like you know what I'm saying, I still acknowledge hold NOAs and big As transitioning in the Wold to transition into this whole new gateway from the end of mab al So. So you gotta understand when you respect the craft, you wake up like respecting the craft, you respect the balls. We'll be listening to some ship from years ago with Nigga said some crazy ship or you know, you just respect bars and I think when you respect the art form of it all.

That's what keeps you for But when you listen a lot of people listen to the ship and they keep listening, and you feel super adupe because you're hot right now and you're dope. So you might get cocky to a point where you think, like, fucking I don't need to get no better dope, But we acknowledge we could always get better. Keep striving for it all, right, man. So we're looking forward to the tour man with a new album and the locks Baby Jada style See That You Fell Yo podcast Sir