Rap Radar Rewind: Kid Capri

I think I get your micro get your records. You know how many records this little mfu Kenny Kidd is selling right now. It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. I was just talking to him a couple of days ago. You got some of the things we're talking about. But he definitely, uh, he's on his way. He's on his way. He's definitely on his way. Is that phil to be part of something like you know, because you you steady had your

hand in shaping culture. Yeah. I mean, it's a beautiful thing, man, to know that you accepted so many people coming and doing the business that we do. You know what I'm saying for you know, the nation of music to still recognize and understand understand you know, I never had no downtime. You know, since ninety one, I've been going strong and

heavy and I'm never had no downtimes. But but to see that the younger generation still knows what, you know, what what I've done and everything that's been going on with me is this is just a beautiful thing. And Kendrick is definitely somebody that's sit in hip hop. He really understands what it's about. And he wanted to go and make his album authentic and so that's why he k you guys had to face to face to talk about. Yeah,

well what what he had called me? And I went down, came down as a matter fact, came down to Manhattan, and we had recorded. I recorded a whole bunch of stuff that we didn't use yet what I'm saying, So we uh, we used what we used, but we he sat down and he told me what he wanted to do, and we just put put myself into mind frame of what it was and and not after I got what it was, then his album is basically about God, you know what I'm saying. So it's a spiritual album pretty

much if you really listen to it. But um, you know, he just told me that the focuses it was going and you know it was doing this com food thing and you know it was going on. That's how coming came out the way it came out. But you know, um, what I liked about is that he didn't I had to a bunch of recording. He didn't oversaturated with it. He did he did spices. So it made him that

much bigger lessons more of course. So that's what made it real crazy for me, you know what I'm saying, even though somebody else were probably been happy to be in every song and I'm glad I was just on five and you know, and to spread out is beautiful. So how does that call happened? Like someone just reached out? Or yeah, they called me calm calm what they called Christy Clifford my manager and a long time to Christy been with me for twenty five years. Jim been my

road manager for twenty five years. Oylty brings world to you. Man, you can stick to the script, do what I do, man, trying to compete with nobody and none of that. Man to do what I'm doing. I'm just glad I was able to innovate and open doors for people to do what they're doing now, you know, for the years. So it was it was in New York when you guys recorded it, or yeah, we was downtown and the Manhattan just coming to the secret world because what was it?

Did you feel like those levels of secrecy around it? Like what was the whole vibe of it? It was pretty much what the regular session would be a lot of people sometimes sometimes people like a lot of people in their sessions. It was just him his ain't all ye me, and that was that we were just in there doing nothing. So it was with lights down when they're in booth just start going crazy. You were saying some of the stuff you said, like even what happens

on the earth, stadn't know? Yeah, yeah, um he uh some of the stuff that he told me. I didn't know what it was that he was saying. They just wanted to say. He just wanted me to say it, I was saying. And then we're pretty pieces together. Later

on I found out whatever they mean. But yeah, he did ever ever say what would inspired him to think that this is I need to capre for this, Like what what he wanted He wanted his album to sound like I think in my in my opinion, I never really asked him, but in my opinion, I think he wanted his album to sound like an authentic mixtape, you know, saying if you look at the album cover, album covered

like a mixtape cover. You know what I'm saying. And then if you listen to them, to the to the album, he don't really have He has them, he has them big records, but I don't hear a pop record. I hear records that will go pop, but I don't hear the direction of him going for pop. I hear him going for really authentic kid pop. Even with YouTube. He didn't use you too that the way people would use you too. He used them in the real hip hop

that list and they were like when they heard it there. Now, I've done two records with Bono, I did one with the on Quincy Jones album with Stevie One and Ray Charles before. So was it is ivanic that I'm one something that it's a lot going on. I was gonna say what I love to the most is that, you know, there's a lot of haters and critics that say I'm tired of kicking pre on the record, but you quick

to clap back of those guys too. You know what, man, those are people that really probably don't never experienced with kicking pre Do you know what I'm saying. They probably probably started with Chalette for them, or it's probably started with Clue for them or somebody. They don't really know the energy of what kid could do. Yeah, but when they come to my shows to this day, you know what I'm saying, Young kids that come to my show, they see my show, they say, I've never seen nothing

like that. I never felt like that. I do two on the shows of years. So at the end of the day, if you ain't never seen my show, that you probably much ain't really getting out the way you're supposed to. If you don't really know who kick it Pre is. You know what I'm saying, It's like, come, I've been in everything and I did it all, So how do you not know? Is you probably somebody that just started hanging out and once you would hater. If you're a hater, you are hate no matter who it

is that's coming on there, somebody successful. That's just the way you are. That's just how you built you. You coming that when you come with that, you walk the earth like that. So it doesn't matter if it's me or anybody else. At the end of the day, if I'm there's the reason I'm there. So that's what you gotta tell yourself. And when you say things that you really don't know what you talk about, you look ignorant. Do you think that you have to have a center

of positivity? Almost is to have longevidence been So it just humble man. You gotta be hunt listen man. Any day the lights can go out. They don't have to call me for nothing. And see, I always say this. I always tell people this. Every time somebody pays to come to my show, it's not about them just coming to see me. They gotta buy clothes to where, they gotta get a ride there. If theyn't gotta ride, they gotta pay to get and once they pay to get in,

they gotta buy drink. They buy drinks for somebody else. And they're all doing that because right, but they're all doing it. The point is is that they're all doing it because I'm there or this preparation because I'm there. So that's why you know, I'm humbled by that. Every time I see one of my shows and its pack ram pack, I'm sitting I'm standing on the stage like, Wow,

this is like the first time for me. Every day every time I'm on the show, it's like it's the first time because I'm amazed that they still come the way that they come and they really appreciate what I do, So it resonates for me a lot. Let's take your way back. When was the first time you rock the party and you felt that that rush that I'm killing it? Oh, can you remember two of the shows? The show I think. I'll tell you this, I'll tell you what my best show was. I'll tell you that my best show I

ever did was at Masson Square Garden. When I went out on tour with the liah I helped the Lee out the rest of piece of lia Um I had bought um she had, She had Mary J. Blige on. The show was Bone Thugs and harmony was genuine Drew Hill and Leah was more of a dancing show, so she needed somebody aggressive to come in the middle of her shoulder the high energy, right, So I was coming in the middle of Remember, yeah, I was coming in was featured pretty much exactly. Um, So I was coming

in the middle of the show. When we came to the garden. You know, it was just I left a scar in that place when the building shook in the way that I mean it was. That was crazy, man, it was. It was my best best show ever done. So that was definitely one of the highlights I remember. But to remember far back of which the first one, it was that building. I gotta get you remember before we're gonna be the I'm sorry. My wife, she remembers she was at a boys two men uh party on

the boat. It was you remember this, She says that she that night you made a movie and broke put your hands where I could see by bust the rhymes. Yeah, what happened back eight nine times? Yeah, and I think that you would to me, you're the pioneer of that, really extending the record, bringing the record back, making a movie. I'm the pioneer. You could go else followed. It wasn't put your hands kind of one of the first songs that that got that. Yeah, what happened. The first time

that happened was when we was in the Roxy. We was in Roxy and the day that it came out. A matter of fact, let me rewind when I did that the Leaves show at the garden, I bought bust the rhymes with me. That's what put your Hands First came out. But right before that, I did a party at the Roxy, and at the Roxy Buster was walking in. He didn't even know I was doing this. I played this record fifteen times, back to back to back and back. That's where the whole back to back things started, you know,

amongst other things, but that's one of the things. Um and Buster walked in right when it was happening, and he's seen this pandemonium this record the week after we we did the lead thing, That's when he knew it was gone. To this day. Buster says to me, your kid, do you remember when we felt the wind and the people screaming at us in the guard we felt the win from people screaming from me in the garden. It

was crazy. And I'm glad that he was there to the witness because if I had told somebody like a kids shut up. But what was that just a natural instinct to bring it. Do you think DJs had really kind of pioneered that style? Like what was that that was there? Just a natural instinct to extend that moment and just tease the crowd and just keep bringing it back. My thing is, man, my whole thing. Well, first of us, let's go here, that fast playing music thing. They all

started from Death Comedy Jam. When I started doing the concerts lets, I had a fifteen minutes set, so I had to play the records quick. I seen the frenzy, I put the crowd in, and I applied it to the parties. The dj started seeing me do that, and they started doing in their parties. So that that style of getting as many records on as you can, that

comedy jack. But you would piss people off if you play records and take them off and you know, and your next recording it's good or better, you know, So you have to make sense of doing it. Yeah, you have to make sense of doing it. I watched a lot of DJs lose the crowd doing that. You know, you have to really make sense of what you're doing. But those things when I seen when I did to that day, it applied to that, and that was the

beginning of that movie. And then it all worked. And Deaf Comedy Jam was the one that really that really molded me on how to rock arenas and concerts. Even though I was doing it before, I got a death commy jam, but that was this was mine. Now. This wasn't like I was helping somebody on to I was behind somebody. This is the feature of me right the crowd coming to see me. And when that Kurtin opened it, it became it became a new life. So that's that's

why I began. It went so as for as long as it has, do you think you can still break records the same way how you used to me? I do it every day in general, all the time. Um right now, I didn't want to go to radio because I didn't even know a program the record telling me how to be kicking pretty, so I stayed away from the radio, you know what I'm saying. And then the internet thing came out, of course, you know, um Periscope

and I and all these different things came. So I said them start a little show on there where people could see me do what I do and I could I could express to them the way I think it should be done. I started a show called the Block Party Live Mix Tape, and I'll sit there and play different things that people never heard or forgot about, and I make it sound like it's new. So that's why I have a lot of young people as well as the older people watching, And then I started realizing I

had a lot of women watching. So I said, you know, I'm gonna start a show from the women. I'm gonna call the No Panty Sundays and yeah, and ship went through the roof, went through the roofs So um, women's on every every week, every Sunday. So then serious seen that and say, yo, kid, you got seriously, it was like we got com previous Friday and Saturday. I'm on from four to ten um pre take and eight o'clock

starts to make shows. So I'm doing radio. And I called it the Kick Capries Block Party because I don't feel that the reason why I felt the way I felt about radio, I think the way you hear Drake, the same way you hear Drake, and she had care of us one after. If you hear if you hear the future, you should hear marry after. It's like, I just feel like it should be a balance in between

old and new. It shouldn't be just one thing. So that's why I called the show the block party, because at the block party, everybody all ages, don't matter where you're from, how you look, you all invited. So that's what it's about. How rugling that history, like, because I know even make safe people sprise like you're up on all the new ship, like how do you miss how do you how do you stay abreast of the new generation.

And people may dismiss and say, oh this is mumble wrap this kind of stuff, like how do you make that work with the records? You already know you have to you have to take the Russell Simmons approached, the Russell Simmons approaches. You have to understand the youth and you can't get stuck in the old school way of thinking. We come from ever of where hip hop was created and born and and concepted and went on. But that doesn't mean top changes is not gonna happen. All things change,

So what you do. You're gonna be mad at the little kid that's making music for the seventeen year old that understand this music. If you as a grown up like it, you like it. But when we were seventeen, our parents was asking us what you're doing? Yes, so now we're doing the same thing, Like come on, they're making music for people that understand it. And as you as a fifty year old. You want to dance the trap music. If you like it, that's cool. But if

you don't, they don't care about that. Everybody getting that little yahdi in on. Come on, this is a little kid. He's doing what he wants to do. Be glad he's not in the street shooting somebody or robbing somebody's doing something to take care of his family in his life. Why are you mad at that? And you don't have to like it. When we did death Comedy jam, Bill

Cosby tried to get us off the air. He said that he said that Comedians was the great in the Comedians was the great in the comedy because of the curses and on that, Bill, what you're gonna do be mad at Richard pryor you're gonna be mad at Eddie Murphy that you he was. This is comedy. Build nobody's sucking on jello and stuff to get a da Chris Rocket kept on HBO told Bill Bellamy, look, we're making a lot of money. Bill Bellamy Bill Cosby were making

a lot of money with this show. But at the same time, you feel like it's important to teach and educate, you know, the youth, Like I remember when Chance the Rapper, when the Grammy and you kind of tweeted out, you said, uh, Chance, no disrespect, But I was the first to do this and that and disrespect the drama. Chance didn't know. Chance

didn't know um. And that's what I said. He may not be a fan of Kicker, for he may know the name, he may know him a legend or whatever he want to call it, but he may not experienced experience. So for him, Drama was the first one. But but what he did was see that's why it's really important to watch what you say when you get on publication, because when you say things, what you might have meant and what people are gonna look at, they're gonna look at what you said. So what he said was drama

was the first to do it. Shout the drama. But he wasn't the first to do it. He was the first to do it. For you. You know what I'm saying for a Chance, And that's what he That's what he meant. He just didn't word it that way. So when he said it, my phone went, why crazy? What is this you mean? He was the first, no, no, and then he started going to that. So now I gotta protect it and let him know, not so much in the delagatory where just to let him know that

this is not where it started from. This is where it is, and when you say it, just know that this is where it is. You were like the first big DJ though, like the first superstar DJ. What was that like during that era? It was? It was crazy great because my whole my career was I didn't want to be looked at as somebody just playing records. I wanted to be looking at as an artist, you know what I'm saying. And so I had to go as

hard as that artist. And when I went on different five different tours, if I go on tour with R Kelly, you're all going tour with anybody that's a platinum artist. You know you gotta go up against them. So, now, what are you gonna do that's gonna match up or

be better than them? Well, if you're performing your hit record for fifteen minutes, right, and everybody's going crazy for your fifteen minutes or work of this one record, you know what I mean, records I could play in fifteen minutes to make people forget about that one record you're doing that you're one hit So that's what it's about. It's about putting people in the frenzy. So when you came to my show, a lot of times the groups

didn't want to come on right after me. They would wait forty minutes after, or put somebody that will bring the crowd down and then they'll come out. You know, which is I thought it was sucker, but you know it's it's a it's a it's music man. We're all having fun, man. But it's a true that you kind of fell back from the mixtapes because of the money you were making. There was so much of the fans were like, on, you know, I fell back from the mix tapes because first of all, the mixtape was just

a step of stone for me. It wasn't a career movie. It was just something for people to get known and get on for a second. And that's said. So what happened was once I got on from it, I got my first radio deal, my first album deal, on my first tour, my first album deal. Coach Chilling, which Bismarck

had got for me, shot the biz Um. I was in the in the office and in the public The publicity lady brought these magazines to me and she said, and the said, kick you pre first DJ in the world to make millions of dollars off the street mixtapes, which wasn't true. Now means a lot of money was made because there was people copying them, buying houses and cars off my offer my joints. But I wasn't seeing that money, so I wasn't gonna take responsibility for it.

And I knew that it really was against the Lord at the time. You know what I'm saying. At the time, it was new. So if you right, you know what I'm saying. If you were a dude in the street and your records on my tape and you're not doing really really good in life and you're looking at me doing good, it takes nothing for you to say, I want my bread, get my joiners on the join, want my bread. If you don't give it to me, I r s and all this craziness. So I just said,

you know what, it's time for me to go. And right when I stopped, this kid walked up to me with the tape and say, yoh, this kids doing about this year and he played it for me and it was do WoT I was coming at me? But he never got a chance to put it out first. So I made the do wap this to put it out that day, that morning, next morning, it was out, you know, before you got the chance to come out. And that was my last joint and I made the next joint

in two thousands of ten. That was the next join day. Yeah, but even going with the tape, was it your motivation to rap? That's another thing. I wasn't a rapper. And I used to say rhymes on the on the mixtape. So Coach Chilling Want of Brothers said we want you to make an album. I couldn't make an album DJ and so right, so I had to write. They wanted me to say the rhymes that sit on the tape, and then I made the beats in the studio and I would write the rhymes right there in the studio,

right there, and record it right there. But I I wasn't trying to be a rapper. That's why my second album, Soundtrack to the Streets, I don't even wrapped on it twice and produced the whole album. That's what it was. This album I just finished top tier. This is I haven't used no, not one mainstream artist on the album. I took all the badd rappers because I've been on the battle rap culture for so long. Took all the badd rappers. I got tired of hearing badd rappers can't

make good songs. So I saw him good to the challenge and get all of them make album, and I did it. It's hot. But the rap part used was the intros of the mix tapes, right, that was the style you pioneered, Like I rhymed on my record, but I also did the intros and stuff like that. But

there's on my first album. I rhymed on the whole album. No, there was no guests, no, not then when you first started doing mix tapes, and then I think kind of do I came after that the idea of the DJ rapping over the intro of them, I was doing that way. I was doing that when I was with Starts Out It Starts, I was making tens. I was doing that right there. That's how it all started. Rapping on the joint. And then when I started going on my own and doing my thing, I was doing on there, and that's

how the album deal came through. But I was really the first to do that. Dead It lasted for a long time and then ron Gy, Well Triple C came, then ron G came, and the other ones came afterwards. But I was really only me, you know what I'm saying, And um, after that, I just went took my career another way. I'm focused on the concert and the performance level of it and how I want people to feel when they pay that money to come see me, And

that's what the focus was in. Even with that, the way I would take it back a little bit with my mixtapes, I would do things like put Stephanie Mills with in Peace the President, break beat, do that. So that's how ron Gi started doing his Blend tapes and stuff like that. But then the I did a puffy was the same thing he would. He would be influenced with what I did to take a break, be to put Mary under it, you know what I'm saying. So he made it a record for them. I didn't a

mixtape for him. I't you know, I didn't work. Did you get married with? Ron kind of adopted that style because I always credit him for the Blends more so than you. Well you did that because um, he did it. That was his tapes and do whole tapes like that. I would do one joint like a part of it would be a part of it wouldn't be something. If I did it like that, it would be that. But that wasn't it. My thing has a little bit more colors. But his was really doing the blends and stuff like that.

He was doing good at doing it. Know what I'm saying, Um, but that wasn't my focus. My focus was more of a every day We always say about how rappers are so competitive? How competitive in your your point is the DJ? The DJs? I mean the way I see it, I don't look at myself and then I don't get into the competition thing with myself, you know. But the way

I see it, I see a lot of people. Um, I see a lot of I say this that there's a lot of people that's good, but also see a lot of people under underhanding and doing some underhanding things that's not. I don't think it's cool. And I also think that, Um, if you're a good DJ, you should know your value. You shouldn't go out and undersett yourself just because you want to be a part of an event.

You know what I'm saying. There's a lot of shows I'll turn down because they write for me, and there's something I probably should be at, but it ain't gonna make me a break me. At the end of the day, you're gonna respect my value and if you don't, somebody else will. I do two on the shows a year and it has nothing to do with anything else. But you have to treat the people that come in. And these DJs a lot of time they take a DJ

throwing in the corner and that's it. All this money, you know, and that you ain't gonna You're not gonna do that to me. You're gonna treat me like you treat that platinum martist because I'm bring that same amount of people to that place and that artist that you got this performative record, he's gonna be there fifteen twenty minutes, half hour tops and he's out, and you're gonna pay mo all this money. I'm gonna be there two hours, going strong, heavy from beginning to end. You want to

pay me peanuts? Now, I ain't gonna go that way. You're gonna take care of me like you took care of him. But your talent got to be there in order to call that. You know what I'm saying, And and and a lot of times these dudes have these big names. They they slap their name on stuff and you go see them, and the feeling ain't dead. They ain't gonna give you that feeling about how big their name is, and that's very important. Sometimes they just get that big bag and then they're supposed to DJ for

two hours. I'll try to sneak and do like an hour or something and then bouncing whatever I I do. My whole thing is man is always making sure that my promoters is always happy. Man. You know, even I made a point of about this on drink Chances that even when somebody might have, you know, accorded to my whole ride, they do everything accorded to my whole ride. And something like rain happens and the crowd don't really come the way they expected, but they did everything that's

supposed to. I'll tell the promoting the minute YO set up another joint, I come do it for free, just to get your money back. And it ain't got nothing to do with me. I ain't do I'm never to do my job but right. But what it is is that you make that promoter feel like when when I'm when I'm down, kid, ain't gonna kick me further. He got my back, so you know what happens. He had me come back four more times that year, he said, saying wall he don't even want and then he sees

my performance. So that's enough for just to lock it down. I don't mean nobody else. I'm good at that kid. He's gonna make sure I'm good. He's gonna do the performance. And he ain't got a bunch of people he's bringing in. He got one person with him. Everything is easy. He

makes everything good. But by myself. But even to that extent, I've seen in previous interviews you talk about like how songs you don't even charge people for free, like earlier in their careers, whether it's like fifty cent, you know, you just did things off the humble. Why was that? Why you've never been motivated by the money sometimes? You know what, You've never seen me talk about money. You never see me. I think people that take pictures with

money and stupid. It's just it's just stupid for me. That's just me my opinion. But you never see me talking about the reason why is because he believes in the director positive and to think about is that you know, we're in the businessman, Sometimes you gotta give to get you know what I'm saying, You gotta give to to to um to keep to keep the brand moving, to keep things going. Ain't always about money all the time.

Sometimes you need to be in that certain thing. And you man, I got Charlotte make you say, a lot of new generations, it feels like there's not a opportunity lesson checks attached. No, now that opportunity that you take. Let's say, let's say let's say um, let's say, let's just say me and Kendrick. Kendrick, you said your ca I can't pay you to do whatever whateverever, Okay, an me telling him to go do his thing. Put me on the number one album in the country. So that's gone.

That's gone. Forward bread no matter what. I'm gonna get that bread, no matter what. It's what I'm saying, but me beefing about something, haggling with TV over a little bit of money, come on, man, really like it becomes that. So sometimes you just gotta understand. Now when it becomes another thing, when you feel like you're being taking advantage of,

that's something that now it's something different. You know what I'm saying, but if somebody coming to you humbly, okay, I can't do this, but I need you, okayhead, my dude, I got you. And after that many times, you know what I'm saying. And that's not to say that everybody should come and do that. But at the same time, I know who's who, I know how you come to me. I know what, what what I can contribute. Yeah, And

that's what it's about. You can't always expect to have your hand out when you when people need help from you. And that's it. It's not how it's like that came about because that appeared on the Streets album and then it paid on Hard Knock Life. Wait, wait, what do you mean, jay z Oh? What happened was um Lets started with Hard Knock No no, no No. What happened was my album was supposed to come out first. I told Columbia to hold off because a lot of promotion

wasn't going right. A lot of different things wasn't going right within the label, and I was getting caught up in something that wasn't my beef, that had nothing to do with me. My project was getting caught up in it. So I told him to hole off. Let's go and wait for the year to turn. Do some new songs. Put him on there and we'll do it like that. They didn't want to do it. They did what they did.

So what happened was when I did Director with Jay, it was supposed to come out of my album first, but because of Columbia, what they were doing ended up coming out November seventeen, so Jay's album came out. I let him license a record on his album. But what happened was, I want to grant me for doing that. I gave him, Yeah, yeah, it was crazy. I gave him hard Knock Life. Hard Knock Life was I was taking that using that for my album. Forty King produced it.

But then when Jay heard it, damn and it became what it became. Had I might to use the matter ever became that big, but he did it five six million. I want to grant me with it's like that on the same album. So I won twice. You know what I'm saying. It was the last time important that record was to Jay's career. A younger fan. Yes, sir, yes, sir, very big, and it's like that. The record I did it wasn't a single, but it was It's like, that's actually like my favorite one of those the B side classes.

And I wasn't supposed to been to beat Ei. There was a different beat I did. How it happened was I have bought that that that sample that record in New Orleans five years probably before we made the record. But I could never get the loop to loop to lock in the in the machine for some reason. But I hadn't on the tape just loop it. So I was playing to beat that. I was playing to beat in the studio when Jay was walking past the door. He said, you know what's that? He said, you need

to do that. Yeah, you had that joint fixed in three to five minutes five years. Sound like doing my album right now, and we did it. So back to hard night life. So just take us to that scene because you know Jay was saying he wasn't happy with that tour him and us. Youre with like the opening acts. Yeah, what happened. You know what happened was we was on the Puff tour and it was a bunch of us. It was us, it was me Usher did he well

did he of course? But Usher bus the rhymes, Foxy Brown, jay Z bore the opening acts for the boy tour. Right now, Usher would come out before me, then I would come out then after me with Jade, Foxy, you know, and so on. I should open it up for your kid, right so, um, so what you call it do? They would take Jay. I remember remember Jay's dressing moons like moving walls. They had him in the hallway with a

moving wall. It's like your mouth, especially after I gave him her in my life after I'm going home and record this. He didn't like being cheating on the tour. He had this record, so he was out. So that's how that happened. And then Foxy I got kicked off the tour. You say, but shot the fox but what

But again, you just played it. You would play that break through the intermissions, right and then somebody I was I was in the middle of the arena, like I'm gonna be the margin at the rough Riders Joint, in the middle of the arena. Yeah, we're doing the ball class tomorrow. But I was in the middle of the arena, casually telling another arena down a little bit of fun and the stunt. But I was in the middle of

the arena. And then what I would do is do my own door set like a crazy set that to have the arena right, and then when I come out the second time, right after the when I come out the second time, I would starting with this record that was on the plate, the Hard Knock Life on the plate forty five can give it to me on the on the plate with just the beat, and I would played at night. Different people walk up, kid, How do you get any behind the drums? Like they were bugging

on this record? Right? That's from J Man, What the so you want that? Yeah? The five now put on the phone forty five? Two weeks later it was off. But what made you like that record and get that from? It? Was crazy? It's the hard Knock. As soon as I heard that, I said, you, I gotta have that that. As soon as I heard it, I was I've never heard nothing like that neither. And I played in an arena because I knew that this was something that I I would get attention, and you did. After the third show,

J was like yo and blew up for him. It's it's because it seems like all of the prominent production always happens kind of spontaneous. Was it like that? With like heavy deference? And me I made nothing but love. Yeah, when we did. That's another thing. I had the same thing, same story. I had something different for have rest of

peace to have and had something different for him. And at the last second, so you know what they're saying, this don't fit the same for him, and I changed it and put the end games the bam bam bam bam bamp put it together, through it out there. I wrote half of it. I wrote, I wrote the second verse, the half of the second half of the second verse, and the last verse. I wrote, Wow, yeah, yeah, And I was happy to do that, man. And I worked with people say that's nothing that I worked with people

that's not here no more. And that's that's that's a that's a notch on my belt for me, not for anybody else. For me. The Leah Heavy d like just different people that was here that I got a chance to get. So was it like when Big shout at you out with you know on Juicy? You know what was that like? I guess at the time for for you?

And it was crazy because Big was the biggest dude, Like you know what I'm saying, he was about to be the biggest guy with a new guy coming in and for him to shot me on his first That wasn't his first record, but it's his first entrant single, the first big single for me to be on. There. He immortalized me forever with that. That's always gonna be around the same thing with Twick, with Greg Nason Smooth.

I mean I mentioned on many many records, but there was records that what hits that I'm mentioning, that's always going to be around, and you know, so I'm always gonna love him. Do it kid, I need a title playlist, So I always talk about the Players Club, that's scene with hit me and quick talk about that and the same thing. Like you know, my whole career always been um start back from the beginning, a right even let me take it on a new journey of that. What I mean is when I when I got on the

startup with mixtapes and sat on street corner. You know what I'm saying, girls was driving by laughing like I was doing bad. I just have to sit there with a bunch of chains on my neck just to make them do think I was doing good. But meanwhile I was making two thousand hours in an hour while this drug dealer was some cracks. I was something twenty out of taste or something to get the same thing. They got just a little slower. But I'm gonna still be here.

They're gonna be locked up, dead or whatever it's gonna be, but I'm gonna be moving. And that's exactly how I exactly. So what I mean is so I always start from the ground up, even after getting the name. So the mixtapes started there, then Deaf Comedy Jam, Unknown put comedians, We did that ground up, blew up. Then I got on Master of the Mix Unknown DJs started that show

that did good. Uh, same thing with the with the with the album I'm doing all badder rappers, No mainstream artists always take it back to the beginning, the Pteroscope and the I Live and the Facebook show I'm doing. I had thirty people on there when I started, and I'm gonna I have a name, but I know that people had to get used to it. So started from the ground up making something, and that's what happened. Started from the bottom all the way at the top. So

that's what it is. No matter what their name is. I always went back to the beginning to do whatever has to be done from the beginning and build that up, and that's what keep you relevant, not keep going on the same thing, the same thing. After while I was gonna play, you got to start doing something new and gets and and create opportunities for others to get on. That's when you win. That's when you win. That's when

God takes care of you. When you create opportunities for others to get on without even wanting anything back, without giving to get You know what I'm saying that, that's what has always been with me, even death, Like I always wonder what just like yourself like the transition from literally carrying records and vinyl to this MP three game and jazz jazzy. Jeff was the one that said, your kid, you need to on Survival. I was totally against it because I like the way my shows look. I carry

fifteen creates and records. I'm the first doing I'm records. I'm the first do the workout in hip hop to own a tour bus two of them. You know what I'm saying. Nobody owned a tour bus before me and hip hop. You know what I'm saying, Kid, you pulled it up. Yeah, I'm gonna show you the picture of in the camera where you pointed that path put the game. Let's show you this real quick. But had you're paying for that all around, all around the country, everywhere you're

going doing six seven shows a week. I boxed that up. My arms are tired just thinking about it. Yeah, so when Jeff said, when Jeff said up, so Jeff was early. He was one of the other ones. A lot of people credit Jeff is one of the first ones to embrace the switch. Said he invented serato. He said in the interview one time, like a couple of years ago. I just died. He did, said, I invented it. Insted what serato like? What he invented it? Up? I heard Premier was one of the last ones to embrace it.

I think too, Permier is one of the last ones. Then praise embrace anything list Man Formiae. That's every show, that's every show. Whoa that the cameras straight? Yeah, every show Premiere. Premiere made beats with an MPC sixty in a box it. When I came here and showed him the new machine, he was still on what he does. But see, that's what it means. That's what I'm saying. Sometimes if they broke, don't fix it. If that's what you used to. But sometimes you gotta change. With the change.

You gotta change because because you have a broader way of thinking, there's so much more things you can incorporate in what you're doing. When you when you show what was that transition life for you? From crates to it wasn't It wasn't bad. What happened was we were doing Death Comedy Jam. We had came back for Death Comedy

Jam and had Mike Epps. I'm hosting it. So when um I got to surround at what they when when we did the Death Comedy they got tired of paying for the claimants of the Deaf Jam record, so they asked me to make beats and play my beats on the show. So for them three years when we did Mike Epps. In the next two years we did del Hughley as the host. They were all my beats on the show. So I would put my beats in the serato and playing from the sorato. So I got a

little opener. I threw the brick beats, and then and I threw the reggae records, and then I threw the old school records, and the next you know, I had everything, and then and we went from there, and it's much easier to get around and do that. I see, I could do three shows in the night instead of one show. You know what I'm saying. I get to places easy. I gotta spend this much. You get your collection together, because I'm sure you have a lot tons of I

had a lot of stuff. I sat there and recorded. I sat there and recorded a lot of things, and then, um, there was a lot of stuff out off the neck that I had. I ain't have to really sit down and record. I just put it in. So now I have a hundred and fifty thousand joints in there. It's like it's crazy, you know what I'm saying. But you got to stay on top everything, even to take it back, even that we're down in the towns to down to the trap music. I know everything. You know what I'm saying,

And that's what I'm saying. It doesn't really matter what's your ages. If you would love with music, if you were performing, this is what you have to know. What's some new songs out there, like from that world that you rock with you that you try to If you're doing a party, we expect to see you in the city next week, you may throw that in the mix. A whole lot of them. Everything, everything, everything. The way I do it, the first thing is I look in

the crowd when I'm backstage. I'm looking to see who's there. It's an older crowd, and I know where I gotta start it. As a younger crowd, I know where I gotta start, not take it from there. If I start older, then that's going. If it's an older crowd, if it's a thirty and up or something like that. And and I start with that, that frenzy of what they want to hear. By the time the night come, they drunk,

they party, They ready the party. Party. So when I play that trap music, it becomes a different color, you know what I'm saying. But if I do a younger party and I started the trap music a lot of times, I'm gonna be real with you, A lot of times I play it there, man be And if you continue to play it back and back to back and back, sometimes it brings the crowd down. You know what I'm saying. They want you to switch it up a little bit and then bring it back, you know what I'm saying.

Then there's other parties where they just don't want to hear nothing but trap. You know what I'm saying. If you're gonna do the younger seventeen eight nine, they don't want to hear nothing but trapp, dip setting, biggis old is old school, did them, you know what I'm saying. So at the end of the day, that's what you got to know these things. And and another thing is, you know, I go around any did every state, every country.

I'm did a lot of places. So you gotta know what's going on in that state that's underground, that that's not on the radio, that they don't know, that's a big record or a big situation. You have to know that. So when I go in these cities, what I do is I get it the main DJ that's in that city, because again I also look at it as there's big DJs in that city. Why did they come and get kicked free to come to that city because I made my lane. But me knowing that I still respected people

in that city. And I'll get the big DJ there and ask them what's going on, invite him out, put him on stage, blow them up, you know what I'm saying, Make him feel like Damn. He didn't come to my city and just shut me down here. He invited me and involved. You know what I'm saying, and that means something. That means something. It just shows that you're humble and what you've got, you know what I'm saying. And you want and you want to create opportunities for others. Why not,

you know what I'm saying. The ones that really deserved it, really work, you know what I'm saying, not the ones that just went the hand out. That's what I do is I look at what we do when they see this cute and that's what they're trying. Who do you like out there? Like? Who you Who do you respect out there? DJs? Th those type of relationships you have with people that you wish your love. If you go into that city, um well pretty much anybody. You don't

even have to have a name. You really don't have to be you know, have no big accolades. You just have to show me that you work. This is what you do. Obviously you the man in that city. You put in a lot of work. Sometimes people look at you and they won't think about what you did. Say save it instace, I did the Kildrick Lamarb. A person may say why he's on the album, Well, you didn't think about what I did to get there? How did he get there? You did all these different things, but

your short minding, you ain't thinking that way. So the same thing DJs that they might have done a lot of things that you don't know about, but they got there for a reason, know what I'm saying. So that's how I handle them out. I'll take them. And even with new DJs, there's a lot of times when I got shows that can't I'm gonna have a double booking. I'll call a known name DJ and give it to him.

There's many times where I might have set something to flex or send something to Camillo or whoever whoever it is, that you know what I'm saying and return the same thing right versa. So it's you know, it's all something I always wanted to know. For a prominent DJ like you, who's always on the road, how do you avoid set redundancy? Like? How do you? How does that work? For years, I

took uh opening DJ around the world with me. All Right, I still do not as much, but I still do and pay for them to be whatever, and they had to do whatever, because my whole thing is I don't like playing one record twice in my parties. That's why a lot of parties be garbage because it be four or five DJs or one party playing the same record or not, and your party is standing around. The way I do my shows is I don't depend on the new record to make me hot. Anybody could play those records.

You're not exempt. It's about me and how It's about what you do to make these people recognize you those records. Like I said, anybody that could play what are you gonna do that's gonna stand out and make this promoter bring you back five, six more times? Or what's gonna make these people want to pay money for them to come in? When you put another DJ on before you, if he's not a great DJ, he can't rock a

crowd with B and C records. He has to depend on the records that's hot for him to be somebody. And a lot of times I might have went out of town and gave them a chance. So I need you to do this. Tell them exactly what I need him to do, and they yes me all day and then I get there. When I get there, he's doing exactly. So now you killed yourself. You can't hope it for

me no more. You can't because you can't do. But now I'll get this other dude and tell him what to do, and he does exactly what I want to do and rocks the spot. That's the do that need to be with me? You know what I'm saying, And and and that's how that's how I'm moving. The guys that I put in with me, from Kid New the Technician, to DJ to Rico Anderson, they watched what I've done many many times. So with them watching and with them seeing how everything, they developed their own way of having

that type of aggression with them. You know what I'm saying, because they see how I do it. They see that with me, and you were here sitting there kicking and we're talking. I get on that stage, I'm a totally different person. It's like I just lose it, you know what I'm saying. Then I get off it and I'm back to the humble guy. Damn bit of the world. But then I get off it's like, damn, what happened. It becomes that it's like a different person. You have

to get into that zone. The crowd makes me do that automatically. When I walk to the stage, it's an automatic thing. It's like, all right, chill them, that's it. That's it doesn't matter who's on the show. It doesn't matter. If it doesn't matter, all that matters to me is be the best thing they ever seen. That's that's what my focus is. And after that, it's like it never happened.

I could be sick in pain, I'll get on stage, won't feel no pain, won't feel sick, get on stage, feel worse than I did before I got on it because it's an adrenaline rush. It's like a medicine. It's crazy how it feels, especially when you have all these people here to see you, these people who could be doing anything they want. They ain't gotta come to you, they ain't gotta think about you. And for you to be on that stage seeing that these people are there

for you, that's you. Gotta prove yourself. You gotta you feel like if I don't do good, I'm shortened myself. I gotta be great. I think this is still like the art of that, the passion of that does no matter how much how saturated things have gotten. And obviously there's a lot of push button DJs and fake DJs and celebrity DJs that there's still that art, there's still that essence that that isn't should be inspiring to the next generation to want to achieve that, to really what

it really means to be a DJ. That's why Kendrick came and got the kid to pree, because I am the embodiment of success as a DJ, the embodiment I did it. Oh, I've been on number one television shows. I've been around the world, still go around the world, every state, everything, get it all. So you can't do nothing but respect that. You can't look at it as something that's a second nature. You have to look at it as something that was able to provide opportunities for

other people to create stuff for their family. I do walk up to me in the mall, you said, your kid. You the reason why I'm not robbing somebody right now. You're the reason why I'm not going on somebody's window. I follow what you did and created my path and now I'm taking care of my family and I ain't gonna be locked up. You know what I'm saying. That's

more than money. When you know that you're influencing people like that, so it means something, you know, I'm saying, how do you how do you not chefish that or how do you abuse that? As a guy that answer your question? Ask your question? Yeah, well yeah, just but also to the new generation, like they did, they see that they can be kid caprean. What does that really mean in this era? Absolutely? There's a kid named Prince

Zamunda DJ. That little kid. The reason why y'all know him right now that you know who he is because five years ago I was doing Indiana right and I was walking through the Explorer Indiana, and he was with his father and he had a little DJ controller and he was trying to get the music on and it didn't work. I was walking past and I've seen him struggling, and I stopped him, went over there to him and his father, and I helped him get the stuff on.

He was His father knew it who I was, of course, but he was telling his son, do you know who's helping you right now? Like he didn't understand, And then he went and googled everything I did ever since that day to this to today. I just got through liking all his pictures ever since that day to today. He stayed in touch with me, and I was showing them things in inviting my shows and when I do Cincinnati in order bring them out and stuff like that. So

now he got on UM Empire. He beat around different celebrities and different people and they're showing him a lot of love and he always calls me uncle and stuff like that. But that was the first introduction to him and being in the industry, from being in an expot for me walking over them helping him with his equipment. Yeah, so I started, so, how do you what's your thoughts are? Like? These e d M DJs have taken the art of

DJs to like a whole another levels. Go through these Klan howevers so dead Mouse or you know whoever it maybe like, what are your thoughts on the shout to Calvin having shout the dead Mouse shout to all the DJs out there is doing the a d M thing. Um For me, I say this, those DJs, they show time, they do what they do. But in my own personal opinion, and I hope nobody takes this in the wrong way, I feel like anybody could play those records. It's not

very very hard to play e d M music. Turn the knob here, throw a light on, throw some bubbles, you know, bubbles. It's not it's not it's you jump up with dead Clare. It's not. It's not technical. You know what I'm saying. It's not I'm gonna Mike switching records, switching this talking to the crowd. It's not that, you know what I'm saying, But it is one of the

biggest music. People come and gonna come and watch that, no matter who it is dj' you know what I'm saying, As long as there's that music, big, big crowd is gonna come. You don't have to have a name. You see what I'm saying. These dudes um perfected what they did. You gotta remember, these guys got big because they made their own records and they play their own records. You have to understand that any like they're big because they plays they made their own stuff, so they right so

that they get killing two birds with one stone. So it's big. But the crowds that come and see them as massive and the money that they get paid as ridiculous, you know, and the white hip hoply just get to the level because it's not hip hop is the only

generation where you don't have loyalty. You don't have loyalty, you become old school, you become you become if you ain't look in a certain way off, you don't make this certain type of record, if you ain't have if you don't have a diamond chain on your neck, or it's too many stipulations to be in hip hop where the white rock artists, they're gonna support the artists no matter if the album is gonna not. They just love

the artists period. They're gonna the rock artists is gonna get on stage with his T shirt and faded jeans and his old sneakers and sell out an arena where we gotta worry about diamonds and you know and all that. And if you know, it's just a different thing. That's the only Genna, the only JOHNA that it's not loyal. They you have to really maneuver in a way to keep them. You gotta keeping stuff like that, right. But John's is not like that. They love you for who

you are, near your fans forever. That's how they can that's how they carry you. They lift terms of you, be inslected with you. Do you ever kind of give up to that that you'll get it. They'll try to offer you something in Vegas, thinking you'll fit that kind of d M aesthetic. And I do all that, do anything. Like when I did Chimp Kardashians, I mean Chloe Kardashian's wedding, I knew her family was Armenian. I went there with

Armenian music, shut the place down. So that's what I'm saying, Like, you gotta know, it doesn't matter when you put me at I'm gonna smash you down, but do my job. But I'm just saying, it's not a hard music to play. That's it. It's not to play, you know what I'm saying. So anybody could really do it. But um, what's my man, the Chinese looking dude, the cake Steve. I OK, I don't even know how I forgot his name, but he has his thing going where he got the bubbles and

whatever you got going on. You know what I'm saying. That's his lane dope for me. I wouldn't use all that. I wouldn't. I'm not a prop dude, you know. Getting my mic two turns, ovens, a mixer and let's go. And that's me. You know what I'm saying, but for him,

that's dope works for him. When I didn't ask what the mix the DJ show, there was a dude there with an iPad, DJ with the iPad, but that's what they want to do dancing also, kid, it feels like that, you know the pride you're taking your your music discovery. Like you said, you do your research, should the records that you love, like your goal to records and stuff like that, and how much you love the music and connect to the music that you're presenting to the public.

What do you make of DJs that have to play music they don't like, but they're being paid these kind of gigs and it like that. Do you ever feel like that that you don't even feel like you're in that position right where you feel like you have to play a record that you don't like. Well, there's a lot of records I play I don't like, but I know my crowds like, it's not about me, you know what I'm saying. And more than you know that, excuse me is the better you off you are when they

come they pay to see you. I hated Laughy Taffy. I hated that record because stand it. But the crowd loved it. I play it, they go crazy, makes you like it, you know what I'm saying, because of the fact that that's what works, that's what they want, and that separates the dude that's playing for itself or playing for the crowd, playing for you know what I'm saying.

And again, what may work in Kentucky may not work in Alaska, may not work in Albuquerque, New Mexic Go, may not work in Pine Bluff, Foca, Saul, you know what I'm saying. So you have to know how to do these things in all these different places, and that's when it works for you. Interesting you're talking about like how Kendrick called you, you know, not necessarily have to blue, but like Madonna, you worked as well, Like how did

that hole? I was doing The Master the Mix television show and smirring Off was the was the backers, and Madonna did her album and they backed the m DNA album. I think that's something they were doing with her, but they backed album or something, and she found out that they were back in my show. Found out I was on the show and said I want to kick I pree to produce my bacord And that's how I happened. I did masters Yeah, and then I also did I also did um. I remixed the joint with her Nicki Minaj.

But she just paid me all this money just to see what I'll do with it. She already paid L. M F A Oh to remix it, so it was already coming out when I was doing for it was never coming out, no matter how good it was. She just wanted to see what I'll do with it. So she paid me a bunch of money for master Piece, but the same amount of money for something that she was never putting out or never. I didn't even gave or gave it the record want their kids, I never

gave it talk. So she bade me. Just shot mcdown. I love your mama. Another call, absolutely absolutely, Is there a call that you're waiting to happen that hasn't happened yet? Those two calls that never happened. James and Michael, James and Michael. Damn. I met James. Me and James talk. That's my that's my number one of all time. Me and him talk for a while. I don't even know what the hell to say to the mom was standing right in front of I was just like he had

the last dragon glow around him. I don't know what to say to him, but what was it? What was it that when we did BT Awards, we did a b T wards. When we did that, he was on that show with Michael and that's when we did the Jam Masson J Tribute and um I met him name. I didn't get a chance to me Michael. Michael came in and was out and I was an audience watching him.

But me and James we talked for a while. I told James that Sylvia Robbins and has been Joey Robinson, their own sugar Hill died and he started crying because him and Joey was good friends and he didn't talk to joe in three years and didn't know that he passed away. Yes, I told him, started crying. I was bugged out to me to see James crying in front of me, I was tripping. And then when I hugged him, Yo, man to meet James Brown that I know everything about

the man. I do shows on him. His daughter want me. I just did a new documentary for his daughter for him, like that's just been the one in my household for my dad and my dad was he was the one that he's the one that created hip hop. He's the one. For me to sit there and stand in front of him and talk to him, that was likesa man. It was a milestone for me. Man, it was a milestone for me because he came from nothing. He had nothing. He came from living in the whole house. Imagine that magic.

We're living in a bottle, you know what I'm saying, and you're all you know is you gotta make it out. You gotta make it out. You gotta get out of here. You gotta knew got to do something, and he did something that rocked the world. So yeah, he's always gonna be a hero to MEE then Michael Michael too. But see what Michael. He had to support him his family. He had his family then even though he became, when he became, he had his friend. James had nobody, James

by himself. His mom's left him, you see what I'm saying. So he had to be raised in the block through. He had to be raised around people that really he didn't know where his life is gonna go. He was he was in boxing. They used to have him boxing blindfolded with other kids fighting other kids. That was their sport.

That's how the white people treated him back then. You said, I'm saying that the struggle he went through at that time was so crazy, and that's why later on in the years he became so strong minded to his band and to the people around him because he knew what it was to not have and didn't want him not go back to that again. He wanted to keep what he had, so he worked extra Hardy was very hard on his people. But you see it was the tightest people out, tight his band out, and he created something

that that resonated TuS too. Now hip hop. Oh's a lot of gratitude to James Brown. Without him, he wouldn't even be having jobs right now. What was your child upbringing? Like, I know you're mixed race, like the kid right here. You know what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying. But your Italian too, right? Black and Italians singing My mom's Scilian um and you know half Sicicilians is half black. But um, my dad sold by the number one. Uh he was. He was a soul singer with the Latin lebron.

But well, my grandfather, his father was a trumpet player that played with Dizzey, count Basie and Miles Davids. He was a feeling for all of them, the Alonius and like different big guardess back then he was playing for them. I have the trumpet that he brought nineteen forty in my house with the same case, the nineteen forty case I had. Um then my father his son. He became the first soul singer to sing with the Latin Man and Lebron Brothers. Lebron Brothers is a big band. It's

out right now. As a matter of fact, their first albums came out of the sixties, and he did their first albums with him as the singer singing soul music over the Lebron music. Wasn't you know, you would think it would be Spanish singing. He had so he was the first dude to do this. So I got to have both of those albums. And he left in Um became building his own artists and started doing as his Ambi records, and he made a record called Baby Hard Times.

He made one called Cocaline Baby and one called Baby Hard Times and seventy two and that blew up for we did it all right with that, and but all those years me growing up. Has been in my DNA since I was a baby, and I had a drum set at four years old, Like it's been around me

music all day. My father was the type of father that had come in the house at four o'clock in the morning and open the window up to turn the music up past ten at four o'clock in the morning, Wake everybody up in the neighborhood, Wake up, everybody in the building. Didn't care about nothing. That was just the way he was. So that's why I was around that all my life. But you just kind of started out when New York City wasn't the New York City that we know now. You know all lit uptown eighties and

early nineties. How did you avoid those trappings of those hustlers and those other guys. Well, everything is choices in life, man, you know what I'm saying. I could have sat there. There was dudes that wasn't when I was an S and S club and the Zodiac. This was the biggest drug dealers. You're gonna find the most deadliest one. You're gonna find seven nine. This is the deadliest dude. These dudes that left the rooftop or left the fever it

came here, okay, right, um, every day choices. There was dudes that was coming to me, o, kid, you cool, was telling me give you this keylog because you're cool. Now I'm good. I'm straight. You're let me get this kyo because you're cool. Give it this when you got that one. Now I'm good. And I'm thinking the whole time something Tony tapes. That's what I gonna do. Y'all sell them toy on the fact. I'm something tory Onta.

That's how I'm thinking the whole time. But to the normal person, that would have looked like food, Like why not? I could do it right now. I gotta work, I gotta go nowhere, I gotta do nothing. I canna make it happen. That wasn't my idea. Everything's choices. You do what you would to do. Had I've been raised in Harlem, I might not be kicked pre I might have been a drug dealer. You know what I'm saying. I might have in the street like that, and not saying anything

wrong with Hallom, but that's what it was. Hollow was get money that said we're in there and we're gonna do what we gotta do, and We're gonna kill you if you get in the way. That's how it was. But that wasn't my choice. My choice was to do music. Obviously you've been doing it for a long time. Man still strong, go downstairs. Told me to security guard downstairs in the building. She said, you have the age the day you were coming. She's like, it's pretty nice like that. Uh,

fanadulation the people. This wasn't even still bother trying to make requests, artist leaning on you, trying to get there. Um, I get more of new. Well, what I did was with my shows, I created this thing called block party Action at gmail dot com where I want people to send me their stuff and get on. You know, they don't have no outlets to get on. You know, you ain't got no money, you can't get to play, you don't know DJ, you can't get to play. So I

have the more senate to me. And what I do is I take an hour from my show and I play as many songs i can in that our new people of people that's demos or whatever. I played for hour and it means so much these people that the aberration they give me for that, like it's just because they feel like you know you do sing. If you keep doing something nobody notices it, you feel like it's just like Dan, what am I doing this for? Like and but you really want to do it, you know

what I'm saying. It is really what your passion is to do and nobody's noticing it, you know what I'm saying. So with me doing that, a couple of people got a couple of deals from that. Yeah, so they're getting noticed from just being playing on the on the line, you ever. I got people from Turkey watching me, people in Argentina watching people, people from Afghanistan on It's crazy the people that watches the show. And I'm in my house. I ain't gonna leave my crip, you know what I'm saying.

It's like it's crazy man. You know, b I think you think that. I mean what woman could not say? I mean, I remember going to one of your parties a while back, man, and I was like, damn this guy, just the one you were cutting up, you were scratching. It was just like wow, Like I didn't It was like a movie, like a circus. What does it take

to be a great dead? Because is it a mind state when you first come in, Like when i'm up there, I always think about me as a fan watching myself, and how I want to feel if I was watching myself, if I was a paid customer watching me, what would make me go crazy? What would make me dance? What would made me say he's the best ever? What would made me say these things? That's how I think when I'm up there. I always think like them. I don't think about what. I think about how they would want

to feel about it. And I placed myself in that audience. It's crazy, it's bug out, were thinking about it's working, been working for me forever. Man, Should we check them out? The kid could on the Kendrick album and in the Barkley, So yeah, that's this coming out Friday morning. So that night shaking the bar Clays with the rough Riders. Yesterday I did a tribute to rough Ride Is on my

show on the Black Party Live mixtape on Periscope. I g Live and Facebook and I played three hours or nothing but Rough Riders music and talk about what do you think their legacy isn't what they meant to the culture like that? Those artists and their music incredible. They remember it wasn't a lot of people from Mount verning you know what I'm saying. They put my running on heavy and for the Locks to be in the situation it was with puff and then leave puff and still

be able to keep going. You know that was that. That's just showed what. Yeah, they still loved right now. Like my manager Christie Clifford, I put her with Styles. Pete managed styles P Now she manages the Locks, help with help with the rock Nation thing, with the rock Nation, rock Nation all that. So it's like they they they're one of them groups that's always gonna be around. But the Rough Riders alone, they just had something that was special.

D M Max Eve you know what I'm saying, Locks, I was putting DMX on stage before he even had the dog voice, when he was had when he was battling, when he had a record called Born Loser, nobody was playing. I played first record. I just put him on stage at the Castle before that. He blew up ever since then. But these are all people that genuinely have relationships with because I was there before they got a name. I

was there trying to help them get on. That's why I'm so respected in the battle rap culture because before all these artists now jumped on it. I was there trying to help him get on you know what I'm saying. Me and a load of luck shot something for HBO to bring the HBO because I've seen a vision of them should be on television. This was Enter tam By.

Ain't nobody doing nothing with it, and we shot it and something happened when I'm not doing it that I m doing the album, but I've been helping them from the beginning. But you know what, we respect Friday night Friday and I'm gonna put a hole in the rerena. You gotta gotta fe you gotta fill that wind back. You gotta fill the wind right, absolutely need to feel it. And I'm gonna be in the middle of reading. So I went all, yeah, there a certain go to record

that you have that always gets the crowd growing. Well, there's always gonna be that the challenges going give them the stuff that you the challenges is giving them something that they don't expect. That's the child when you come from left field. That's the job or suject. But this is the reason why ootcast lasted so long. Well, everybody was over here. It was over here, talk about how you look, how you dress, whatever, Okay, we're gonna sell

this diamond album. It's the same thought process. Do with duty, do the unexpected, do what it's gonna cover from left field, but have the same impact of something that's familiar. And that's how it works. But I go up there tomorrow, I mean I ain't. I don't know what I'm gonna do right now. I may think of it five minutes before I go on and didn't do it. That's how it works. That's how it works. It works better that way. From man. So before we get out of here, the

Kundrick album. Did you hear it the first time we all heard it? Or yeah, first of the or that I didn't want to hear it. I wanted to hear it when he was done. Wow, Yeah, And it was dope. I got one with you forget it. It's so dope that people are starting to say Kato's one of the five best of all times? What's kick Capri The Greatest DJ's Top five, Top Personal List, My personal list, Carross one, Jay z eminem NAS's that fifth rock Him List Number six, Kendrick,

you got you got Chris at one? Reason why I got Chris at one, It's because he was ahead of his time before a lot of people was I've done monument who shows with this dude. We did Yankee Stadium. When Nelson Mandela got to jail, they threw a big celebration for him at Yankee Stadium. They had me carross One, Tracy Shapman, hay Belly Fied and elpra Winfrey as the as the as the guest, and they were supposed to put me and Chris on before Nelson Mandela went on stage.

They put us on after him. What happened was the whole place was sold out, but when Nelson Mandela went on, some of the a little bit of the people I left, but it was still ramped. So we're on stage and they had these big, big screens, these big two screens. We want to on the field and Chris says if you want to see, saying look at George Bush, and the crowd stopped then all over her. All of a sudden, you heard then went to right. It was went crazy.

So by the next song, we're on stage and he's before me, all on stage and something just said, kids, look up. I look up and I see secret servicemen on top of k Stadium was shot guns orders like this. He was trying to inside the riot for what he said. So Chris, he's doing what he's doing. I'm wining with on stage his wife. Yo, jesus, take a look at what's going all over the off stage and go back on there and getting on stage. By the time he seen we was off the stage and they fixed it.

But I was there when he threw PM down off the stage. I was right standing right there. Listen the clarity, please clarity, what happened. I was standing right there in the sound factory. So what happened was Chris walked there with a bunch of people that I've never seen him with a different crew, you know he had, but he had this right dude that I do that new karate and all that keep with it. And it was this window right next to it was like a window sill

right next to the stage. They sat on the window sill and I'm standing by the pole. So I'm looking at Chris and say, what are you? Was the p M D P M PM doing the supercant wait? Why were you that kid getting because I wanted to see I want to see Supercat. So what it was PM doing Supercat? Somebody else right. So I'm standing there and I see him walk in. I say, what are you gonna do? So I'll go over to Chris said, you know what you're doing here? Not not nothing? That's what

you're doing? Chris, what are you doing? I said, not not nothing? So I'll go to Willie d Right. I said, what are you doing? He said, I'm about the mock this nigga? I said, Yo, no, I don't get Chris in trouble man children. No, No, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do it. I was like, all right, So I go back to the pole. Wait. So PM Dog rested piece of PM Dog to PM Dog gets on stage. Chris b from prins Byes. He comes on stage and he does his first so he had it was him,

his DJ and the booth. It's three girls. He had three girl background singers and I think he had one other dudes on the stage room. He another during the stage room. So Per Down comes on stage. He does his first song and his first song when he came to do when he when the hit started, huh it was a bad man, yo. They rushed on the stage. The whole Chris and the whole crew rushed on the stage, Chris grabbed the mic from PM Dawn, Um, I see you grabbed. All the girls picked him up at the

same time. All three of the hugged, all three of them came out them out. When Chris grabbed the mic, Will hit him boom threw him on the stage and then they do oh, Kenny went the booth, Kenny Win the booth, Kenny Parker Win the booth, through the DJ aut the booth. And when Chris hit the stage, when when when they got pmed off the stage doing uh number one No throwing South Box Wow do the record on. It felt like the floor was gonna kill even I'm in then I'm holding on the pole because it felt

like the floors when he came in. The crazy What was crazy was when Chris left Super Caps Next supposed to go next. When Chris left the whole crowd walking down the street with him from the party, the whole crowd, it looked like a video. Yo. He was walking out the street with the whole party, super Cattle stage by something baby, Yo, it was mine, you meant to mine, you want. And there's been a lot of things we did together like that. When we did the Kwando show,

down town. It was just so many things I did with Chris. He became became my daughter's godfather. He was there with when my daughter was born. I was on stage in Tampa. He was then with the video camera about the video camera for me, a videotaping for me, but he was there, he said, became my godfather. Him AND's wife. Yeah, she better not battle Chris because he has five battle rhymes for anybody. Anybody. He said that if you list, I got one for you. That's our

attitude is he don't care. He's a real hip hop kick out a routine. If anybody want to test on the on the wheels is still you know what, man, I got one move there to kill you. One move is one moving your dad. Don't do it. That's just have fun man. Thank you Legend podcast. Yes,