Rap Radar Rewind: Cam'ron

some questions. Man, I know you got something real. That's the type of questions they're taking it back. We got to it's only rights cam and everything, man, the business ventures everything. Man, it's got building, dip set man, diplomats movement. You know what that logo means. It means a lot. Man. Let's get into it. Man, kill a can rap right off podcast. I want't understanding it. Legendary Man, you're ready, I'm ready camera, Joel pleasure. How you're doing. Thanks for

having me. I appreciate that. Everything. It's always rare when you speak, brother, Yeah, it's very rare to come out that often. How you look good Man good Purple Haze too. Yeah, is the time December. Yeah, We're gonna put on this summer. I had a lot of music. I've been, uh you know, studios in my house. I always work or whatever, even when I'm not working, so I always do music. But it's about the time and put some more music out. YEA,

why sequel because it's like your first sequel. People love purple Haze, and it's really the fifteen year anniversary this December Purple Haze one, So you know, I thought it would be a good time. I did a mix tape about two years ago called the Program, and I was gonna put that the sequel out to that actually, but um, I thought, being it was the fifteen anniversary of Purple Haze one, that we are do purple hayse to Purple Hazes, representing your catalog. Like if you go back to that time,

what was what was kind of going on? Because I mean, obviously come Home with These was the launch of the Rockefeller did that and then the first the first Purple Haze. I was doing a lot, man, I was I wasn't Ohio. Get yeah, I was in Chicago, living in Chicago, living in Ohio. Back and forth to New York. Um at that particular time, I smoked a lot of purple hate,

so I named the album now. But it was it was a lot going on, you know, just at that time, UM Jewels was getting off the ground, Jim was getting off the ground. I don't even think Jim had his first single yet at that time. So just trying to organize the crew, a lot of traveling, a lot of driving on a yeah, but it was. It was a lot going on. But it was a great time in my life. It really was. It was a good time. What do you think of that album being involved as

like a cult classic to a lot of people. I appreciate it whatever. When other people give me credit for anything, I always appreciate it. But when I go back and listen to it, that's probably my favorite album that I really Yeah, you know, I come home with me because it's a debate there, you know, I'm about to say that, talk about that, about to say, you know, I get the shows because when I do shows, I'm not sure maybe now, but a lot of ships because people can

play in my shows that I don't. I don't have any song from s D. I don't really do any songs from the right exactly. So with Purple Hayes, I just think that I was more and the rever already a Rockefeller as opposed to come home with me. We were just trying to catapult the diplomat brand that Rockefeller. So, um, I think I was more comfortable right in that one. So did you have to make sacrifices as an artist to to help build your team and build and build

your brothers? Yeah? Absolutely, Like you know, what is this probably twenty two years I saw my first deal, but I only have six albums, you know what I'm saying. By executive produced twenty two albums, you know what I'm saying. So of course I'm executive twenty two albums, always making sure somebody else's album or project is is um in place. But yeah, you know that's not a lot of albums

for that many years. But you know I probably got a hundred mixtapes, if not more mix tape absolutely, So I just think Purple Waves is my best, but I get s D I get come on me yeates right, you know my personal favorite. So I believe in Plea's the first single right on now, we just put that out the world. There's so much music, man, Like I said, we're trying to really rush and put out the program

this month, but I was saying that I didn't. I was having a hard time decide and whether I'm gonna put this song on the program or this song on prop ways or this song. So I said, let's just focus on Purple Hays and then next year, early next year, we'll come out with the program once that does down. Is any of the themes from the original Purple Hay is gonna be on the sequel, Like It's Mizzle gonna make a return. We're talking about all that. I don't

know where missles that right now? You know what I'm saying. Like a lot of people like stat too, But we on the music. So a lot of music done. I worked till the end, till this very last minute. I have to turn it in. But uh, you know a lot of people want to skits on there, and I'm like, classic, man, I don't think I was telling somebody about that was that the skin isn't nothing, but the phone call to somebody even skits those was real, actually was a real persons.

This is a real person too, and all that stuff. All that stuff was like not not really skits, Like these women were really crusting. You don't care. It was crazy, you know, it was crazy that this girl, the girl who did she did a few different skins. They're not skits, but their old phone calls. On the particular the girls said, um signed like a doctor chicken. It was another album after I think Crying Page. I used the phone call and she's like, ye'all want fifteen hundred dollars. I'm like, yo,

We've been doing this for years. Yeah, and then UM, I'm like, yo, I ain't been paying you. Come on, man, you know this is crazy. So she ended up suing me behind man, you know, the person who got disconnected after a while, and once personal gets disconnected, then they've started getting at me and I'm not her friend anymore. Actually, after that we stopped speaking, but a lot of stuff be really phone calls me. Uh, not to be proud of it, but at that particular time, praying on females emotions,

you know what I'm saying. But you always kind of kept a comedic tone to say it was. I was always important to have that with your stuff, Like obviously it's hardcore hip hop, but you always like took the time to kind of have something kind of funny. And I'm not saying i'm I'm just saying, tough people, don't that tough all the time, Like you can't you can't um, you can't laugh when you're tough, Well, you can't can't do stuff but dance and nothing like that because you're tough.

To me, people are faking to be tougher. That tough all the time to people. Yeah, tough people, don't that tough all the time. You can't laugh, you can't make a joke, you can't smile. That's that's not tough to me. So I enjoy laughing. I like having fun, and when it's time to get down the business, we get down the business. But I think it's all entertainment. And you can't be put in the box. Like a lot of people stereotype you because they have this image of you

and then they put you in this box. It's like, you know, growing up, if you ever see Minister Society, right, you're like old dog, old dog, old dog, and then you go see inkwell and you're like, yo, what is the old dog. I'm he's act you know what I'm saying. Like it's so many times a week. Did some people come up to me and say, Yo, Vico, why you did that? Yo? I understand why you did it. This is somebody came up to me actually in Miami one time.

This is a couple of years ago. I was like, yeah, I knew what I know where you had to do that last night? You know what I'm saying. They ain't gonna play around with the fucking keyloads and then don't tell you about it, yo, So what you have to do? What you have to do last night? I'm like last night, like people take that seriously and I'm like, you know, and I'm like, yeah, I wonder if like Denzel goes do that like training day, but they're not putting that box,

you know what I'm saying. So you talk about that paying the fool like you know, you was trying to be authentic, even the thing on you with the audition, but like not to do that movie right, and obviously you thought it was quality, but like to see at Land the test of time, like that movie is still even to this day, so impowerful people, right. I just really gotta give thanks to Dame dash for that, because

you know he um executive produced the movie. He fought for me to get the part because I believed mayor Max wanted somebody else to do the part. So you know, all the credit and and grace goes to him for allowing me to be in the movie, all the classic lines with some of the I lived, like what was that? The movie was that lived from my point of view because um, at that particular time, I was the only one still hanging out at Hall them every day. We

shot a lot of the movie in Canada. Um, Charles Stone is a great, great director, and um, he gave me a lot of leeway. So some of the lines were really corny, and um, I was like, so what we did a lot of a lot of the movie. But I'll say my lines and then we'll do another take. And then Charles to say, be like, say how you would say that if it was really you? So I didn't the ratting lines and then I improvt lines as well.

I think about that line and that's the when you always said and I can't act turned down three movies? Do you remember which movies those were? I didn't want to do Friday to like not they wanted. I wouldn't say I was gonna get the part but like I think Sticky Fingers got that part, and there's like in a dog trunk that's something trying to find ice cube, but it was that part. There was another movie with Tom Hanks and yeah, but it was like and I'm a super big Tom Hanks fan. He's probably like one

of my top two actors. But I think Marlon and Damon Marlon Wayne's got the part. I don't remember the name of the movie, but it was like one of the worst movie Tom Hanks was. You know what I'm saying, And I'm not saying that bad because it's not. It's not a lot of bad Tom Hanks and it's not a lot you know what I'm saying. Yeah, like it's not a lot of bad movies, but this was probably

one of the worst ones that he did. So I remember those were two movies that I read the script and I was like, yeah, I'm just not comfortable doing it. It's like, you know, I just shot a new movie

called is It The Crime? Um when the process of editing and mixing right now, and I kind of stepped out my element to do that because any movie I was in, whatever the movie percentage, and you know, of course Kells's and I shot like regular but paid the full, and people would be like, look at Kim getting away with acting like Cam. You know what I'm saying. It's like ice Cube as well. You know, ice Cube does a great job of surrounding himself with good actors, and

he doesn't come too far out this element. I mean, like Lottery or whatever it was. He played like an old man, but he's still like in his other movies, he doesn't come even if his barbershop is still like the Tube version of barbershop. So I want to step out the element of just people being like Kim, you just being yourself and trying to take on a diverse character. Yeah, he stepped out of your element really This year, man, we saw you on that stage with jay Z. Yeah

side show. Yeah, it was cool. Was good money to say the least. Like I was like, we had gym on earlier. I said, I was screaming like at year girl. Man was like, why do you felt like that was a good time to squash the bee? I mean, tell the truth. It really wasn't never like real physical beef anything like that. You know. When I was up there Rockefeller, I really believe my personal opinion and you know, just not bringing up stirring up a bunch of old dust

or whatever is that. We came up there and because of my situation at Sony, we just started diplomats and I'm referring to we came up there and started moving real quick because we got jerked around and Sony and we learned the business. And when we got to Rockefeller, we we already knew what we had to do. We know who's running radio, we know who's running promotion, we know who's had a marketing. Okay, cool deaf jams downstairs.

But going downstairs to speak to Kevin Lous, to speak the uh Kaiser, to speak to yor to speak to Julie Greenwall. And you know, I'm not saying this's how jay Z felt, but it felt like maybe because it's other artists didn't do that, and then it might have been wrong too. In our part, we was jumping the gun, but without you know, talking, you're aggressive. You're trying to

make it happen without talking to him. And you know, day more for me, the vice the president job rack a fella without consult with jay Z. So a lot of little emotions was going on with not just jay Z and myself, but you know, you gotta Brooklyn there and Philly there, Harlem. There's a lot of different cruise gonna cruise within cruise. So basically, um and then it probably didn't messing. We was moving a little bit too.

I'm not gonna say too fast. We did we had to do because we came from a mess up situation. Everybody wasn't on the same page. But no matter whether me and jay Z got along publicly or even in private, what I tell people is that me and him may not even been speaking, but when I had to do what I had to do, addgate six signatures to do anything, which was Leo Cohen, Julie Greenwall, Kevin Low's, Big jay Z and Damon jay Z signed off on anything, well it was diplomats to duels or anything that I did.

So maybe we may have not been on the same page um personally, but business wise. He never helped me up from doing anything. He put an I g post of a classic photo. You guys said before like this history there. Yeah, well, you know, um, Dame and jay Z grounded for a long time to get to where they had where they was at. You know, they were trying to get record deals, and luckily for them they didn't because it turned out to be beneficial on their part. But um, yeah, I mean I remember jay Z opening

it up for MEFA man. It was like, yeah, it was like Dame and jay Z had these lexus is and and I used to ride around with Dame and Bleak with around with Jay easy and I don't know if it was Penn State, that might have been Penn State. We drove out there just US four to open up one time for method Man and not me opening up. Jay Z was opening up and he had that one song with Bleak at the time coming of age, so

he did the song whatever. But I was around them for a long time, well before they even had any records going on, and it was cool to see everybody come up like that. So the conversations prior to the show, even after, we're just real simple, like it wasn't really big conversations. Um Jim called me, he said, um, Jay wants you to perform. I said, cool, it's not a problem. And that was that. Then want to call me with jay Z. We spoke for about three or four minutes,

uh talk, just to smooth everything out. Everybody was cool. We ain't talking about no bullshit and nothing, and then um, we did the show. Then we spoke the next day for a minute and that was that your members of the song above me to City. I think Jim was also saying that that was like one of his favorite sessions because you know, you got it's cooking up and like obviously everybody got their prides in MC when that song came out. So I'm just telling my attitude at

that time. We was like no, we was going to baseline all the time, like, um, we was workhorses. We was. We was like we wasn't wasting those studio times to studios. If one wasn't being used, we're gonna use the other one. If neither one of them are being used, we're gonna use both of them. And a little bit of tension started to rise a little bit. Nothing crazy, but um, a little bit of tension started to ride just because I think how we was moving and coming in and

going and everything else. So trying to remember exactly whatever happened, I'm trying. I can't remember exactly why I was tension, but the moral story is a little tension in there. So I came in the studio. I had did Old Boy already, I believe, and just judge Blaze that is. He was like, Yo, come in, I gotta a beat for you, and there's the New York City beat. And so I was in there for about parade three or four minutes and Jay walked and he's like, Yo, can

I talk to you? So he's like, I'm like, what's up? So he's like, uh, you know, it seems like it's a little tension around here. You know, they don't need to be tension. We all work and I can't say verbat on what we talked about, but he's like, Yo, you know it's tension, but yo, we all here to work together with out and out and out of that. So I was like, I will come onto the song right here if that's yeah yeah, And he's like that.

So he went in there, and I'm being honest with you, y'all, I'll never see nobody do that because I write my arms down. He sat there or the mother probably six minutes and did that verse. He didn't know the beat was up. He didn't know nothing, because like I said, he just walked in until we could talk. And he sat there for about six minutes and did that verse in one take. I was like, oh, ship, So I

had to write my ship fast too. So I wrote my ship fast, and then we did the last verse and it was it turned out to be a great song. But but yeah, I ain't gonna hold you, he said. He came in there and listened to me for about five or six minutes and when the booth and did it in one take. And then, uh, I just had to do what I had to do real quick because I don't want to be sitting there that long. When he didn't even write his ship down and it wasn't

like he had already. You know, sometimes nigger might be acting like they freestyling had it, But you're not gonna make up. You can't have my name in the song and talk about all these things pertaining to New York already written, you know what I'm saying. So that was some dope shitt he did. But the only thing with Baseline people talk about it like, look, think of all that talent and a young Kanye young like right, that must have been a crazy like energy all the time

they're at that studio. It was too much competition, man, two studios and you gotta realize. I mean, Kanye came kind of later, but what you gotta realize is that we wasn't wasting no time. We already got jerked. We felt the Sony, so we was there to be cordial and work with anybody, but we really had an agenda as far as creating a diplomats. He mentioned it, there's Sony things, so that was a pivotal thing. Like obviously we know Big was one of the f us believe

in you. You got went on like talk about that early transition and then why do you think things went flat with Sony and things came to a halt. Mason introduced me the Big Big pass Away and gave me the deal because Big wanted to sign me. Um I put out the album. I don't really know the details of uns deal, but you know, it was presumed to be a pretty big deal and he only put out my album. Charlie didn't come out right next to Snoop right.

Sony end up dropping his label, but in his contract they were allowed to take whatever artists from his label that they wanted, so I ended up going to Epic by default. It was like, okay, you can have your label, but we're keeping camp. So when I got to a new system right exactly some When I got to Sony, it was real corporate. Dave McPherson was running the label, and you know, I don't think he was the biggest hip hop guy there. But I put out s D E. Um.

You know, it was a good feeling to put out s D because not saying I didn't like Confessions of Fire. But what you gotta realize is I'm signing with bigg eas Man five six, seven months after Biggie died. So I had to hear line and I had to hear a lot of YO big what it did this big? But it did that big, And I'm like, I did yeah, but you know it's big, so you you try to listen to everything, but it's like, I can't compare myself the big, biggest big. I gotta make my own way

for myself. Yeah. So when I got to when I did s D E was really great energy because I didn't have to compromise my sound or compromise what I wanted to do, because that's exactly you know what I'm saying. So I didn't have to do that because you know, a lot of times not saying I didn't do songs on on Come Home with Me that I wanted to do definitely, But yeah, part of me confession is absolutely I had to compromise a lot of stuff to to

make um, you know, the label happy as well. Where as D A s D. I did my own thing. So when I got as D, you know, somebody up there at the label, a female who worked there. She liked me, she was cool, and she was just telling me how they was not promoting my project the right way. You know. Um, they wasn't, you know, spending money on market. The guy who's running market is on vacation on my

budget promotion department, on board a new car. I'm saying like, yeah, you know what I'm saying that, so um, and she feel like the album wasn't it wasn't set up to win when you put it out at all, not at all. When I started learning this, I was like, you know, I'm signed here for seven albums, you know what I'm saying. And I'm like, I only have six hours, So signed it for seven hours, which was a standard deal at that time. You know, I look outcast. Everybody who was

Papa had seven albums deal. So when I realized they wasn't doing the right thing, and um I didn't want to beat there anymore. And like I said, I knew Dame and jay Z before they had a deal. Me and Dame had fell out over some son stupid. So I swallowed my pride, and because we haven't probably spoke

for two years, I swallowed my pride. And when it asked him for us help because that's my brother while we were speaking or not, and he hadn't even pawned on it, He's like cool because you know, at this time he's at his height and he had destro at Rockefeller, I mean with def jam which Rockefeller I believe in the lecturer at the time when the lecture was still up and it was another one. So he's like, yeah, we could do this, so we could do that or whatever.

But I help you. And um I was coming up there before he got there, probably with like forty niggas every day, press of like real police detail up there every day. And I was like, yeo, y'all playing my life right now. You know what I'm saying, y'all gotta let me out this deal. And it just got it more expensive to keep me and Dame came up and he took to Dave McPherson and they end up letting me out. So that's how I got out of the

Sony deal and went over the rocket Feller. I've always wanted to know, like from the early days, from Children of the Corn, from Confessions a Fire to sde your flow. It was very it was more like hurried. It was fast paced. Then we come to come home with me, it changed up completely. What brought about that change? A lot of stuff I said go over people's heads, you know what I'm saying, Like to take a song and like, um, it depends on the artist to like hmm, I'm thinking.

I can't remember the name of the song. But I did a song on Confessions, and to me it just went over a lot of people says not d rugs, thank you too, But it was And then Tom changed to you know, like I'm wing what wh next year w be my fourth decade, you know what I'm saying on this and it's a pleasure to still be relevant and people asking for my stuff and ship like that.

But tim changed, and you gotta reinvent yourself. But at that particular time, if you looked at was kind of early late nineties, pall me, that was kind of what was going on, whether it was D M Max, a drag on anybody like that. And I just think that instead of it was about rapping, you know, to where me. To me, I've seen like cash money and no limit and even even Rough rather says that I'm not saying putting.

I'm just telling you what I learned. And people like lifestyle, you know what I'm saying to me more, They can relate to lifestyle more than just be an a lyricist,

you know what I'm saying. Like I used to say this all the time, and I'm talking about within my crew, like and this is years ago because Jim doesn't out as a super great rapper, really proud of him, but it was a time when we I used to have to make us practice on the tour bus and I used to add this thing called the five o'clock showdown to where I make everybody right robs every day at five o'clock. What was Jim jells Jay all right? And hell, I don't know if hever I was there, but everybody

had the right rob and JR. Right O was kind of one every day, right every day. But the point being is and then I'm not dissing Jay are or nothing like that, but Jim at that particular time even now them not dis And last there's no distant whatever. I'm just I'm talking about stuff. We're talking amongst each other. You arrival, Jail may rap better than Jim or whatever, but you rather be like Jim, you know what I'm saying.

You're rather weird that check a chain on a belt or a skull head when he did, the skull has a start going from baggy clothes to slimming clothes down. You know what I'm saying. He has a great image. And I always realized that about Jim even coming up, because we used to run into you know, we didn't always hang out in over again in and we used to run into a lot of the same females we may adult with or whatever stuff like that, you know

what I'm saying. So um, his image was always a one, always fly, always got you know, we used to battle on who would get sneakers first or whatever whatever. But image means a lot to me more than the lyrics do. It's more of are you relating to what this artist is saying? Because some people, but you know, we used to have fights, um, and that's what made me kind of form diplomats when I was I didn't even ever deal, but like people used to fight on my block on

who's the favorite No Limit soldier. You know what I'm saying, Like soldiers slim nah mea ex is dope, she chubby, but she she's killing it. Nah man, mrical is down with them now? Nah? You know what I'm saying. Yeah, you know she murders really called a And those was real arguments that we had in my neighborhood. And I was like, yeah, if I perform something like that, it don't matter who like Sue the most. If you all on the same team, you know, it's a win for everybody.

Because somebody may be like, I don't like him, I funk with Jim, but somebody be like, I don't frek with Jim. I like duels and all the way around the board. But I got that from real arguments in my neighborhood over No Limit. Yeah you know what I'm saying. So switching the floor is just more of a lifestyle thing, just the evolution of your absolutely. Then on top of that, not just switching the floor, you can't be the same forever.

You know what I'm saying. Like you sit there and I don't know, um your audience view of the age, But you know jay Z used to wrap fast like twister, you know what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying. I remember he came to my block and battle Big Elt with that same style, and yeah, I was out there. But you gotta reinvent yourself, you know what I'm saying. So you know, if you have the same floor at the time, you you could and try to sustain. But

it's not a lot of people sustained that long. Like for instance, I'm trying to think like you may have. Of course you got you got kissing the locks I'm talking about on the high level. You got jay Z, Kanye even came out later. How many people last twenty years. You know what I'm saying. You may have a good single, good runner. Little Wayne. Of course, Little Wayne came out before me. You know what I'm saying, he's rapping since he's fucking fourteen years old. Black, Like I said, even

after No. Leten watching Cash Money, But um, yeah, you know Little Wayne don't saying like whether they started. You know what I'm saying, so everybody got to reinvent yourself once in a while, something about making people, making the crew right rhymes and five because I always felt like that whenever you did radio freestyles like you always have, you always have bars like it was like you always do. These guys were ready to go. Yeah. I mean even now,

it's it's pretty then that I'm talking about. But I always knew content is king if you always, if you feed content, people are gonna love you. It's about consistency. Like I say that about applies as well too, Like applies he um, he got hot because he put out three albums at eighteen months. You know, I don't know the last Timely put the album OT, but you always got a funny single, the cool single. But you know, I know I had a created Flawda. So I heard

a lot of applies Mother and Florida. But that guy, and with the Atlantic system back in him at the time, three three albums at eighteen months is a lot. And even if he hass gaps, now that's kind of what to me, what made people pay attention to him is when you work, and when it's decent work of good work,

people pay attention to that. So even like when mix tapes, we was the first group to ever do a mix tape that wasn't without that was that wasn't on it, that wasn't a DJ of Court like DJ Clue and Case Sleigh and ron G and doo Op and a whole bunch of others that s and that's a bunch of If I forgot somebody, sorry, but I always getting to argument it wasn't your fifty one or fifty cents the Future with Diplomats Volume one. Now we was first first.

It was definitely first, a hundred percent g and it came out after we came out, but it was like a big magazine and it came out I believe it was the Fast Magazine. I'm not sure if it was FEDS, the Dawn Diva, but it was a picture of all like out poor Richport and all these people were furs and jack and there was like a big big deal for that magazine. And I'm like like, like we got the first in the closet, you know what I'm saying,

We got all these lovers whatever. So I said, you looked our every mixtape, everybody's mixtape, and we just cool. Case Slave was heating up at the time, and I'm like, yo, let's just do our all mixtape. Get case, slay the hosted, pull the furs out, whoever got their home for I'm gonna put the furn back. We're gonna take a picture back. Yeah that's better. All. Yeah, that's how we did it. Though I was important to put out that that that artist tape at that time. Why did you know that

was the right move to take control of it? It's kind of change you pretty much revolution and changed the mixtape game. Absolutely. I got to Rocket Feller and they wasn't accepting the team yet, you know, and I get I get that because David's like him, you just got here that I'm not yo, telling your mommy and jewels. He's like, YO, calmed, Yeah he was, he was, And they like, yo, I'm telling you. You're like Cam, calm down,

you have two minutes. Well be here that long. And I was like, yo, listen, man, I'm telling you, I got a little team, Like yo, just relax. So I'm like all right, cool, So I'll started putting mix tapes out. Then you get mad at me for putting mixtape, but they like, you're wasting all this money, man, you could be he money from all these songs. So I was telling them like, look, we're about to start busting moves. Um you want, you want to mess with Jewels or

you don't. Is that the reason why Duels was featured so heavily on Come home with me? Yeah? If you look, my player was just to make Jewels a superstar. And I don't even have to rap that much, you know what I'm saying, Like like I love rapping, I don't, but my my dream. You know, I got jealous one time, not jealous, but I wanted. I wanted. You know, sometime when you you can't turn off celebrity when you want to, you know, and I remember being that not jealous isn't

the right word. But I was at a movie theater one time and and all these people coming up to me and speaking got and it's cool. You know That's like I I'm blessed. You know what I'm saying. I don't have to have to be regret about anything, because if that's my job was waking up, kissing babies, taking pictures, hugging and don't got this in the traffic. I'm cool with that, you know what I'm saying. But so many people is coming up to me and everything. And I

see Kevin Lows in the movie theater, you know. At the time, you know, I was like that. I was on deaf Jam at the time, and I'm like kell with something like somebody people like Kim, Yo, I want to get on, and I want to get on, and I'm like, Yo, this is the dude putting me on it, Like Yo, don't do that, Kim, don't do that. Yoke, you don't do that. Not like Dad, You're making more money than all of us, but you still could walk

around and nobody knows who the hell you are. So I was like, I'm gonna make everybody I messed with celebrities. I'm gonna try to anyway and fading the back and trying, uh and try and just make money and don't necessarily have to be in the spotlight at the time. If you look Jels on my first two singles on come Home with Me, he has the singles on the Diplomat album on volume one and two. We gave them both the singles. All this stuff I got did by myself. But I was just trying to push him to make

him a superstar. I always felt like that maybe Cam's more excited about the business, like because obviously had those bad experiences than once you learned the business and got hot and got that leverage, you really like, yeah, dugged it out. And because when you learn, you know, when you first get a deal and the back then you're like, oh I got a record. There was almost like impossible to get a record here, you know what I'm saying. So when you end up getting a deal is really

I don't care. Remember my businessman's at the time was like, Kim, do not give a fifty percent and your publisher And I'm twenty years old at the time, like, but they was giving me I don't even know. It's a super low number, probably like a hundred thousand or something like that for my fifty percent of my publishing, which is ridiculous. But I was like, yo, I need a call when I go back uptown. Man, I ken't be having no deal with no call. You know what I'm saying, No sense,

you don't get it. You know what I'm saying, Kim. If you don't get it, this is where you I'm like, look, I don't want to hear all that right now. I need this. Benzman, you know what I'm saying this, but I can't go back to my block told me I got a record deal and don't got the new whatever year it was mans, you know what I'm saying, So going forward and I'm like, I'm like, damn, let's think it was right. I had to fight to get my publishing back, but I end up getting it back eventually anyway.

Because he was remember time bragging about you, like you know this business exacts fact then it with faceless. But you used to mention Kevin Lyles to making all these different deals at one time. What was that like? Was that was that the most exciting time when it was like you really was like in command and able to

make all these different revenue streams with different labels. It's always good when you could make some money, but it was more about taking advantage of being hot, you know what I'm saying, Like, and that's what I was saying, like, but I think that's what I was about to say when we was talking about um, I was telling Dame, I'm about to start moving, you know what I'm saying. Because he didn't not saying he didn't want to. He didn't think it was time. So I went damn, I

can't remember. Dan was downstairs an upstairs from us. You know. We went in Rocketfeller. It was two walking closets, big full of junk and with two cubicles in front of him. And I made people come clean them out or the closets, put dusk in their office, I mean dust chairs. It was late because we people were leave the office about seven. We stay late. We found a electrical dudio, put some

phones in here. That's sure. We had two offices, and and people like stay property or even other Brooklyn dudes, not dissing them or not. They just couldn't believe, like how cam get an office. They was mad that we had offices and cubicles and all that, and I'm like, nobody gave us this. We just we just basically took this and from nackled out way. Well, I don't even know how we got the elector do to put phones and then we got four phone lines clicking. We don't

hire in terms, you know, I used to. I used to hire people who had college degrees in music. I haven't work for me because I found this so entertaining that I had a g D. And it was like these big music music for school. Yeah whatever. And I'm like, look what you want to all the school to come here and work for me? And then exactly, and they'll be like, yo, Kim, if you get these amount of points and then this, I said, what's points? They'd be like, but the points, And I'm like, what is it? Can

we take points to the bank? Don't you just tell me the number on money? I don't play points and all that. You know what I'm saying. I need a dollar amount. I don't play all that, yo. Well the fourteen points off the door? Look that fourteen dollars out of a hundred? All right? Cool and say dollars because I don't. I can't cast that. I can't pay my bills with points. I need to speak regular English when

they come to certain things. And I was very transparent, like you know, I was in a position one time, um, somebody trying to sue me. And you know, when you're in the up position. I don't know if you'll ever been in one. It's like seven lawyers in front of you and the first lawyers like and it's kind of have nothing to do. I'm just telling you who I am. Yo. Karen Cameron Giles and therefore, um section seed, paragraph to seventy five. You with it, yo, yo, wish you you

don't know what you're talking about. Man, don't when you start with therefore, already know you're about to get into some bullshit. Now if you're just wondering if you was there to o'clock, Oh was I there a two o'clock? Now, I wasn't there. Next lawyer, Um, considering the fact of hearing after that, y'all don't know what you're talking about? Did you sign the paper? Oh? Did I sign the paper? Yeah?

I signed the paper. Cool. Next lawyer that I don't know what you I don't know what you're talking about. Got the next lawyer, he said. I kept doubting them, and then you know what they said. They said, can we've been lawyers so long we forgot how to talk regular. And I was like, well, you don't have to talk regular,

because I'm gonna stop you every time. A lot of people are scared to ask questions when they don't know what somebody's saying, and I'll stop you because they scared that they'll look stupid or whatever the case may be. I have no problem asking you a question if I don't understand what you're saying or what you're talking about. So I'll stop you debt in your tracks and be like I don't understand. Explain to me like I'm a three year old, but um, basically that's how I take

my attitude everywhere. So back to story. I'm telling Dave, I'm about to start moving. I'm trying to get you ll signed Kevin Lows Love Duels. He's like, we ain't gonna do it yet. I took the project Diplomat project to Kevin Lows, you wanted to sign a diplomat project and juels. So I like, back, I go upstairs tell Dave. I'm like, I waited until I got more solidified. Dame goes crazy, flips out, goes there yelling at you motherfucker. How the fun song? And I'm like, yo, yo, yo,

yo yo. He's not doing this thing now. He's doing this on purpose, because if I would have want an ask him for the deal, he would have said no. But of course it's you. He just trying to get me mad. I'm like, why are you just kidding? Like the artist or whatever. He's like, now we're doing the deal, but they gotta go through rock for her and say, yo, bro,

I came to you with this first thing. Anyway, we all worked it out to where Diplomat sent you Wels and everybody was underneath Diplomat, rocket fell, devil jam and um. But um Yeah. Basically, I just took advantage of the opportunities while I had the opportunity to do it. Yea, I have a question camp back to the B Side show. U Nas was on the bill as well, and I saw that was a picture with you and him and a couple of years ago. How did y'all recordstile that relationship.

I was at the airport in Lors Vegas. Rea was actually on the flight together and I was in the airport in Lors Vegas and at my back turn he came and hit me in the ribs, just playing around. I'll turn around and was like it's up. He's like, nah, what's up? Man? And we just talk talking about no beef, no problems, no nothing. We got on the plane and we rode from legs. We got off the plane. I'm like, you know what, come take this picture because nobody going.

So we took the picture and that was it. To be honest, we're achased number. We never really spoke after that, but um, yeah, we was in the airport and he came up and gave me a five, and we talked for two minutes and got on our flight and came back. But it is crazy that one of the probably one of the most classic dips set back because I really mean it came out of the session of the differences of the time you tell people whatnot because he did three songs that night, right probably so I would like

to be honest. Guy was really the toughest things I had to do to be honest, you know what I mean, because I'm a NAS fan man, real big really never you're giving him a lot of respect now, I do remember that earlier. Yeah, because I'm saying this, this is at the time we're like really, but then he comes across Jim Jim like you got to check him. But like you guys are fans of him. I'm super na I used to you know, nobody really knew about nos when he first came out because I was you know,

I'm like that real hip hop junkie as well. It's trying to get money when I was young. You know, my cousin blood said God blessed that he was big, big on hip hop, so you know, we had a lot of tapes and stuff. But I was I'm a real big NAS fan, Like what happened was um Nas just just me for no reason, you know. And it was really tough decision to make, but it was like one of those decisions where it's like dag we about to pop off, and you know, this ain't like today.

It was like there, you gotta say something. I was like ilse being gonna look back, and it was like, damn, this is not us though, so we can't go No, we can't go light as NAS. You know, at that particular time, and even now still a debate for whoever people think it's the best MC, but you know, right to us now, it was the best m C at that particular time. It was like tag man, what did

he distance for? We didn't even do nothing to He's more mad at hot nineties seven and you know, he was getting a lot of radio play and a lot of a lot of support at the time, and I guess whatever they did to him and some of you, I don't even remember exactly what happened, but like Kim is whacking, I'm like to you, man, I didn't even

do nothing. So I was like, you know what, But it was that some of Jim you guys went straight to the studio, right, yeah, because he was supposed to perform and he then and then they let us perform, and then yeah, we went to the studio because he was on tour. Two We went back to tour after that,

and um, but we just had to. It was one of them situations since where at that particular hour it was like, look, this is not we can't just do one song because he could come back with another song and kind of kill everything, you know what I'm saying, So let's just bombard the situation, you know what I'm saying. Yeah. So, but that was the only way we felt that we could handle it because now as just such a legend at that particular time. Do you feel like you crossed

the line because beef now is different. Yeah, I mean at that particular time, I probably didn't. It's some things that I found about afterwards that I probably want to say if I knew, you know what I'm saying, Do I regret it? Yeah, because I didn't want to go that far, but at that particular time and my mind set and then Niggers I was running around with. They didn't give a fun We called said because we wasn It was like it was on the ride. It was like, Yo,

he's not gonna stop our movement. It was like, Yo, the money, the money is as where his cameraman is that Nobody's gonna come in between it. You know what I'm saying. I told you we just got jerked. This sony unloss his deal. We see this money right there, and a monkey wrench comes in between it. Nah, we can't. Nothing's gonna come in between this money, like you know, like you know even and I'm so happy I knew. I knew basically somebody my man toned from Queens at

that time. We haven't spoken a while, but he he knew a few dudes from Queens and he's seen how he was riding around at that time. He like him, let me put this ship to bed, because I'm being honest with you. I've seen an interview and I apologize to his baby mom's and his daughter because you know, that was just ignorant ship. But it was just an over way to handle at the time. And I remember she was like she was, she said in an interview.

I don't know who it was. She's like, Nig's gonna do this to Cam at that time, DA, And I was like, no, he wasn't. You know what I'm saying, not at that's not saying that thing. You have a tough crew, but show I was yo. I was working with some hungry, hungry, hungry, hungry people at that time. And like I said, I apologize to her and her daughter and now the daughter. I was totally out of line and totally wrong, but we were just on the mission at that particular time to try and get to

the bag, you know what I'm saying. And I had so many people with me because you gotta realize, you know, big Y'll head died May Set left. I had basically haulom on my back. I was basically the savior for fucking hole Burrow, you know what I'm saying. So I had a lot of people willing to do whatever for me, and that part of that's probably part of the reason

why I went so hard as well. You know what I'm saying, is because it was so many people like Kim, you can't let nis do this to us, So you can't let niggas do that to us, and do what you wanna do be cause I got your back. And so at that particular time, you know, I was running around the streets really really strong and reckless. You know

what I'm saying. I even called I caught on a gun case in two thousand two, And to be honest, I'm happy I got caught when I got caught because we was our mindset thought we was above the world. When once the money start coming in and then the fame too, and we already is you start thinking you above the Lord, you know what I'm saying. So you think that also led to some of the tension and dip set at the time, and then Gym's emergency, it seemed like then you got low right like you mean

it between you within the crew what once? What once? The movie got big and the money's and everybody's making different money now, and it's like, well, that's years later, you know what I'm saying, that's years down the line. But you know, it falls with me and Jim. There's a lot of things that I could have done differently behind the scenes that may have been said and not sent on both of our part. You know what I'm saying. Jim's attitude is he not just music. He had to

fight for whatever he got. You know what I'm saying, But it's a call. I remember I bought a new car he my bends I was telling you about. I had a call, brand new car for three days. Jim when he got an actor, I don't even know how he got it, you know what I'm saying. He didn't want me to have a car. He didn't have a call. You know what I'm saying. But that was my man from top to bottom. And we all said ship that we shouldn't have said. But all that come with it.

If nobody, everybody would be lying, if they say that they're not a little bit victim of the lie. I'm like, you know what I'm saying, And nobody, nobody's above feeling good and wanting lie like once in a while, you know what I'm saying. Maybe Kevin allows it, and you know what I'm saying, But even now Kevin allows as an Instagram you know what I'm saying, or whatever, it's different times. You got Jim out of five h man. Yeah, well he get itself out as well. You know what

I'm saying. One thing about Jim, Jim probably works harder than anybody I know. You know, if you look at his Instagram or anything, he's always got son. He got a soda, or he got weed or a phone or anything Jim goes on. He really works hard. So anything Jim gets is you can't ever say he's lazy. I can't. I can't accuse him of that. You mentioned that Mace earlier, like, are you guys in a better place nowadays? I haven't spoke to me, so I'm saying so, I don't have

a problem with him. You know, that last situation was more music or whatever. I don't know, I be if we see each other, But I don't really have a problem like that. But it was all music. I thought what he did was cute. Nothing for reals about Tommy fight back. But oh yeah, yeah, he might have got you in that battle little something. People. A lot of people say that, but I remember on Mace for years, so probably yeah, that was dope. Um, he got his

spawn back, got a little backbone. Yeah, give the hip hop cam. No, it's it's part of the game, you know, yo. Listen, you can't take the attitude that I have and expect stuff not to come back to your way. It is what it is. If you're a boxer, you're gonna get hit. You know, it's about hitting back after that, you know what I'm saying. Bill Ronny kind hard too once us a time. Yeah, yeah, I thought it was all front. I didn't even know who Billo Ronny wasn't that particular.

I remember um classic cam moments. It's like classic songs and classic publicist that Rocket Fellows like that. I'm you know, you gotta go Bill Rodney, like you'll be careful with this guy so seriously, but I didn't know who he was. And then they like people like you're gonna bill a real unit. No, I'm going back. I'm going with you because I guess he went on there before and they kind of sensed him to what he wanted to say,

and this was kind of his revenge. So I already went in there with the attitude of everybody telling me, can be careful, Kim, and I'm like, yo, I don't. It's nobody. If we're gonna get into verbal sparr And I'm damn for whatever. I'm cool with that. Nobody's gonna

out talk me. That's never gonna happen. But I've seen how aggressive Dame was I kind of felt off, fed off Dame's energy because Damon went up there before, and I don't know, I've never seen it, but the way Dame baud it too, was he didn't get his ship off the way that he wanted to get his ship off, and this was his opportunity to get back. So I'm more was playing robbing the Batman on that particular episode. He was like a current affair, yeah, because they was.

They was telling me ship at the office like you he started his career and telling So I was just like more laughing because to me, I don't care who you are, I'm gonna get at you and we're gonna take that type of stance. But so they was, you know, all the market and promotion, the publishers telling me be careful, be care I'm like, but I thought it was funny. So that's why when I went up there all off the back, I'm going off what they told me. So I'm like, I'm coming up here my own energy off

the back. Classic snitching is the big talk this year. Sixty minutes. He made it clear that the serial killers in Partment what they did was sixty minutes. Also, they edited out what they wanted to add it out. What I told him was, you know, they made it seem that way they of the two. I said, look, it's not my job to do your job, you know what

I'm saying. And then what they also didn't put out, but they also didn't put his See what people don't realize and telling, right is what if telling doesn't work, and then you got to go back to the environment or the person you told on didn't get convicted and living in the same building, block, neighborhood, whatever with the person you're putting the finger on. Yeah, and then everybody in the block is like your snitch, there's out of jail.

You gotta look at them, your families around. It's just a dangerous situation because telling doesn't mean that you're going to get a conviction. So it's not guaranteed just because you go tell that you're gonna get the conviction. Then they didn't put the part when I was like the blue shield of silence police doing and this is going

on now. Let alone back when I did that interview, police do a lot of dirt and me and you partners, you slap somebody up, do some foul ship, And they questioned me about I'm gonna say, you ain't do nothing that got trying to attack you up because it's the blue shield of silence. But that's that's not snitching in the police force, you know what I'm saying. So it's a lot of stuff. Yeah, they lived by that cold and a lot of stuff they didn't put in the interview.

They just trying to make me seem like, oh I'm moving if we're serial. They addited a lot out. But it's cool. One fund when the Rap City freestyle, you're counting the money that there's a whole new generation that just what do your memories of that? Were you really count money? Like even how much you add on you? How do you how do you rap and count money

at the same time. You got to think of stuff to stand out, you know what I'm saying, Like you gotta realize like we wasn't there from the beginning and the basement, like so many people wrapped in the basement. What are you going to do to make your time in the basement memorable? You know, it was a bunch of people that came before and after me that wrapped in the basement, But you remember that. I think it's the most famous, probably the most famous rap city free stuff.

I appreciate it because it's a memorable moment. It's transferred to the new generation, right, absolutely, Yeah, Cam, I was thinking about the last Diplomat album, and you know, on the intro, you seem like you had some words for Kanye West, like you get what kind of hard on Kanye? In the last couple of joints are You're going to Sunday Service. I don't know what I even want, right and Kanye or whatever. I don't ever really go hard to tell it you. I just be saying what happened,

and then people like, oh, he dissed them. I never dis neet nobody. You never diss these people. I just really be saying what happened, And because you state what happens, it's like, oh, he dissed them more he went hard on them or whatever. But I don't know what I said, Tom or something like that. I don't remember, but I'm not saying I didn't. But I'm just saying, um because I wrote it on the spot just for the beat. But I remember, and I said, my man, I got

love for Kanye too. But I remember something happened and Dave was saying like, now he does this because he's by Polar, and I'm like, you know what you're talking about, Like, Yo, we knew kin for man years and now he's brought Polo, so what's not saying he's not I just never knew this, So I kind of wrote about that in that verse

or whatever the cases. But I remember Dame telling me that like probably a few days before I wrote the verse, and I'm like, yeah, bro, I didn't know this man, so it was kind of like that was it was kind of new news to me. But whatever it is, I really feel that I gotta listen to it again because a lot of stuff I wrote on the spot and I keep it pushing, but I'm pretty sure whatever

I said was some facts that was going on. I remember the Bob Polar part because Damon told me that ship and he was kind of trying to make an excuse for some ship. I don't remember what it was, but I don't necessarily maybe odds because I didn't really have not a facts or nas and like I said, but anything like people I know and I feel that they didn't do the right thing and didn't do something right. I just state what happened I guess it still could be this. If you want to call it this, I

call it. I'll be saying it's the facts. You're gonna get some facts on his purple haste too, right, Absolutely, man, Andy ain't can reveal about it. It's tough. Man. Who do you rely on, like in that process of ticking songs? You do you trust anybody else's judgment? Yeah? Absolutely, because you know I'll be around Nigga's to tell me like that I should just trash care and I like it females to like and it isn't just one person. I

play ship a lot of times. There's a lot of DJs in the hood that I played for two because you know DJ has got good is because they got the DJ parties or whatever. So I'll play for a few DJ's in the hood that do a lot of sports bars. And that's been consistent for you, is that people funk with I play for some females check their

attitude out, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. But um, at the end of the day, I definitely got to keep people around me who's gonna tell me that what's real and what's not real, because if not, then you're just fooling yourself. You may put some bullshit out, you know what I'm saying.

You're saying that having this having a six hour t how do you look at your you know, as people draw around these empty lists now and stuff like that, how do you view your legacy and the legacy of dip set, Like what do you think you you've your contribution has been to hip hop? Like how do you define your place in the game and what you've accomplished.

I think a lot of people funk with us because we came right before like the Internet era right there talking about dip set anyway, And so as kids are getting older, they're doing all the ship that we would did before Instagram or Twitter and you know, money, pulling money out on the gram or pulling guns out on them, or pulling your reality like if you go to YouTube or smack DVDs. We just doing all that ship, you

know what I'm saying, You know what I mean. So I think that they adapted to it because where this be with the generation right before this generation that's out now and like I said, just still be an act for him. People want to funk with dip set. People have dip set tattoos and diplomatic. I think it's and I'm not saying our logo is more famous or maybe just his favorite, but it's our logo and the boot Tank logo. People identify those logos. You know. It's a

bunch of artists. They used the dipper Man your logo and put their stuff in it. You know what I'm saying. Whatever the label is or their name or whatever. And I appreciate all that love, you know what I'm saying, But um, far as legacy, I just think me personally, I just think it ended kind of early. Not saying it ended because we always brothers and always gonna meet up, but our fighting each other ended what could have been

a longer run. So you think it was more about the movement you built and you're looking at for your own loan situation, you as a person, as an artist, I think it's kind of wrapped into building the building the bigger unit. Do you look at you? People came a separate Um, well, I came in by myself. But I don't think one person is above the group. You know what I'm saying. People love the group, And like I was saying, um, I didn't do nothing. You know

a lot of people give me credit and everything. I didn't do nothing that I didn't watch people do before me. You know what I'm saying. Like I said, whether it's rocket fella, whether it's rough riders, whether it's murdered inc. Whether it's cash money, whether it's no limit. I watched all these people assemble their crew, and I love I've seen people fall in love with movements, and I thought we had the lame wide open for that, and I

took advantage of it. Can we talk about those real bottle wars a big meach some of the Jim Jones al Copo. Yeah, it was a party one time in Miami, and they was like spilling drinks. Nobody knew to be m was. They're spilling like drinks over the top of the real the rail and I was underneath for whatever balcony it was. But Jim was getting wet, Jim and somebody else getting wet, and they got they like you stop sucking throwing ship. They didn't give a funk. They

kept throwing ship. So Jim went up there with some other people and somebody from that and got cut so allegedly y allegedly right, So we got to show the next day, and I'm doing my show and I'm looking at the crowd. The crowds moving, it's cool, and they some a lot of people in the crowd holding up some black mafia family to towns and ships. There's a lot of them. So the show was over. It was cool. So we're schilling. I don't think it's cool from the

Royal Palm and we're chilling in front of there. So they're like ten people. I don't know if you ever been in real parts, like a long driveway in Miami or whatever. So we're kind of like spread out. But the avenuees like right here. So we're chilling all spread out and ten people come like to the avenue, all right, which whenty people come to? Thirty people come to the avenue. It's like about fourteen years a lot of people outside was like fourteen of us, but there's other people, girls,

everything out there. Now they got like forty niggers over here. I don't know who these niggers are, you know what I'm saying. I'm like, what the funk is going on? And they're just looking. They started pulling guns out and pipes and they was trying to get Jim. So they ran towards Jim. I've seen the police run. The police ducked under the call my niggers ran. I was with one of my niggers. I don't want to sit there and say, YO, just shoot if niggas coming to what.

I was like, I don't know what the fun is going on? And my man is like back, but they ran past me. I didn't know where they was going. I guess they were trying to get Jim. Jimmy went the Royal Palm. Then they walked past me. It's like, YO, tell your niggas get together. I'm like, who the funk are y'all right? He was, So a friend of mine told me who they was and we we sat down and squashed it, and they was mad at Jim still, so Jim Jim had a show in Atlanta maybe two

months after that. No Man Jim went down there, I think with two people to the club, and when he got there, they respected him for going by myself and like, now we gotta funk with you if you wanna come down here by yourself, And then he ended up being cool with Blue with Beach and everybody else because they

was like this on he got to be crazy. Hen come down here by myself and don't give a fun And then um, you know, they ended up coming to New York and I remember, um, you know, and like I said, be already I got cool with them or whatever. I remember, I'm coming to New York and there's a club called Club Show at the time, and uh I wanted there if Christal was real popular at the time. So someone there I was like, give me timballs to Christal and there's like b a Meth ordered order Christal

for the night. I said, what the fund is you talking about? All the cred said they ordered all the Chris. I said, they're not even here, they're coming. They pre ordered them. They pre ordered all the Christal for the night, all right. So it's another club called Eugenes. Not want to pre ordered all the Christal the next night, you know what I'm saying, or whatever day was the next time, you know what I'm saying. I'm like, I ain't know. Niggers could call ahead of time if you order all

the Chris styles. So I did that ship another night to them, you know what I'm saying. But yeah, it was cool ship. There wasn't no real ship like that, but it was more you know, bum bottles. But yeah, the first nig is the pre order or pre orders Champagne Christal. Anyway, we had to drink. They didn't have more way. We had to end up drinking vood Kliko that night. Ordered all the Chris down. So I want to get that same ship at another club before they

got there. Got some fan question though, can Yeah, what did you mean and ste when you told I think it was that to me when he said, like to my nigga, Duke, do the guard. I assume we all make mistakes. I don't know whatever be going on at the time. Sometime I'll just be righting whatever happened at the time, you know what I'm saying. So, uh, me and Dude we probably was arguing at the time, maybe

so or whatever. It's funny because you know, Duke is like, uh, it was real cool with blood Shot, my cousin who passed away. I got cool with dude through blood Shot and on. Me and Duke used to always have these little arguments and ship. You know what I'm saying, Like, nothing crazy but little arguments and ship. And I remember after blood died, I wasn't speaking to dude I'm like, I don't even know you like that, bro, you know that's cool with you because he's like, no, you have

to speak to me. This is because Duke is a little crazy. But you have to speak to me, Blood. When I said, Yo, Brod, y'all, I'm not gonna let you not speak to me. You have to speak to me. It's this mandatory that we're gonna be friends, Blood, but not want us not to be friends. Yeah, I think it's crazy. Man. I gotta funk with him. But I don't remember exactly. I know the line you're talking about, but whatever probably we him was going through at the time,

but I can't remember. Did you do to do it again? Session with Destiny's Child? Was y'all together? When you all did that? Man, let me tell you something like, Kim gotta go. I'm sorry. I wasn't. I wasn't your story man, that's crazy, bro, crazy man Jim trades to this. Wow. So I had to do a show the day that they did the session, right when Destiny that Child did the session. So, Um, I met dest Need's Child actually before I the deal. Um, they had just signed of Columbia.

I didn't have a deal yet. Wild Cliff was trying to sign me in prize and on them We're all on the stand a live remix if you ever if you ever listen to that. So that was the only time I really spoke to them face to face. You know, um talking about beyonceing Kelly and you know they changed the other two around sporadically, but whatever, you know what I mean. So I don't know the rest of them. So that's the only time I really met them in wild Cliff session and we talked because we's all new

artists and its cool vibes or whatever. So when they did the do It Again song, I told you I wrote the lyrics for them or whatever. I left it there. Two weeks later, we had a show and um, Virginia Remembers in Virginia and you know, on backstage, we're moving, you know, everybody doing anything whatever. So these two girls come up to me. I was like, yo, you like the chorus we did. I'm like what. Jim is behind me, like, I'm like, what are you talking about? They're like, the

chorus we did for you? Don't like what chorus did y'all do for me? They're like. Jim was like, oh, Beyonce and Kelly. I'm like, oh ship yo, yo, my bad, y'all. I apologize that ship was dope, but they had the attitude super dupe but attitude and walk the funk off on me. I was like the gym was like, yo, what the funk man? I only seen him one time, like four years ago. My they got I didn't recogniz because they wasn't like they were show dressed. They had

a baggy clothes on. I guess you know they was going to get ready for their performance and ship like that. You know what I'm saying. But yeah, they didn't recognize them and they was mad about that ship. It was because Jim was mad at me behind it too. What's your favorite songs to perform? Like, what's your like? I guess if you had a camera on playlist, Like, what's your goal to records? If I'm doing a quick show,

like you know, sometimes people won't mean not even the singles. No, I'm just telling you, Like, if I'm doing a quick shoker, sometimes you've been ten minutes says for Teo Manutes says, when you're doing festivals and show like that, I'll do down and Out. I really mean and sucking or not. Gangster music. Let me see what else? Because I changed up. It depends on where I'm at. You could do a good bet side show too, Yeah, I changed up where

I'm at, Um depending on the location. But um, those are probably four or five that definitely down and out sucking or not, I really mean it, and gangster music probably my four go too. If I had to do a short show. You gotta talk about losing weight weight? Yeah, did your uncle really tell you at the leven can't get paid? Worthless? Kid? He wasn't my real uncle? Boy? Yeah? Yeah, like uh uncle from the block definitely say that. You're like you're big this earth risit. He put it to

me just like that. But you know they attitude where you come from, right, you can't get money right? For instance, like this close? How they make this? You ever see your show? How does it made? Cable? I watched Ship all the time because there's so many people don't take the time and energy to find out how to get to what they want to do. Like Niga come up to me, that's a real story. They would be like, yo, Kim, I want to open the store. And I'll be like

all right, cool, what we're doing. He's like, I just want to open the store. Like, so we don't know if we're selling cold cuts of sneakers. We don't know what the funk we're doing. You ain't doing to due diligence to go see what the rent would be every year. You didn't see what the water build of electric still made of electricity B bill b every year you haven't

done a estimated. You don't know what. First of all, you don't know what you're selling, so you don't know how much inventory with course or what against your gross against your net. You need to go put a business playing together and come back. You just want to open up a store. You want to use my money? In my brain, what the funk I need you for? I can do this in myself. I don't make no sense. And a lot of people don't do the due diligence.

So like that line that you're talking about, you know that's older niggas on my block attitude, like how big this well you you know when I was younger nigga's attitude like it's too much ship in the world that you could learn and do, and people be wanting fast money. But if you take some time to learn how to do stuff, then you can make money. These wheels on this camera. Who made that wheels? Who made the fucking wheels? We don't know, you know what I'm saying. But somebody

made the wheels. Somebody made that stand, you know what I'm saying. Somebody had to make this cord. You know what I'm saying. Somebody had to make this clothe with it, pillows, everything, somebody's doing it. It ain't just pop up here, you know what I mean. So a lot of times people don't take the time or do the due diligence or homework. They just want to say I want to do this, when it's a lot of work that goes into doing

whatever you want to do. I saw that. If you want you said you wanted to get into making toilet paper, Yeah, I did to do this or not toilet paper machine. The cheapest one is twelve thousand. You could go on the one that could toward a hundred sixty tho brand new. Uh, seriously, that's how much. Of course, if you google it there I'll tell you. But I have to I didn't have time. The person I was working with never did. The homeworkers, I don't have time to make a toilet paper full

full time. But I'm saying, like, yo, you know what I mean, But it would be smart to do toilet paper. Yo, everyone use this toilet paper, because that's what I'm saying. It's things that there's a luxury and there's things that are necessity, like you don't have to have a call. It's convenient. You gotta use toilet paper. Everybody in this room is gonna use toilet paper. I hope I'm saying. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. It's a fact that you're all gonna use some toilet

paper in the next day and a half. You know what I'm saying. It is a fact. Yeah, exactly. I'm just giving the leeway case you went already. You know what I'm saying, you're gonna use toilet paper, and I bet you it's probably you know, I haven't done it the homework in a long time on it. But what you got, Seaman Scottie's what else? It's not a fresh new brand in the marketplace. It's probably generational families, families just eating, eating, eating, eating, Yes, all for this toilet paper.

And there's no new toilet paper. You know what I'm saying, the market toilet paper for black females alone, Like females, you have a little more extra than the average person. This is for you, you know, yeah, yeah, this is definitely yeah, your threat counting on the toilet paper. This is the comfort level you need. And some and so so and so they eat that up. You know what

I mean. You've made some changes with the dip set store, but you not only sell the clothes, which an amazing look great, thank you, You're selling like coffee mugs and shower curtains and everything, diplomats everything. Yeah, I mean, to be honest, a lot of stuff outside of the clothes. It's stuff that I see people make and I'm and and what happens is I'm not even I'm not even against it. So like I give an example, like coffee Mark. I've seen somebody sell on the coffee mar so we

tracked them down. I can put camera like a camera unauthorized. I can put a season to sis out, but it was their idea. So I try to eat with them. This is dope, but I need half. I'm gonna go with half because it's something my likeness. You know what I'm saying, oh, we can't afford to do it. You sure right, And I'm doing myself on my site if you don't want to eat together because now I'm a solidifying my own coffee up by, I'm presenting you the

opportunity to get any because this was your idea. You know what I'm saying. But yeah, it's not doing that well, Finna. So a lot of stuff, candles, all that stuff I see other people doing, not track them down to work with them. And a few people have worked me as well. Other people it's not as lucrative. And then when they act like it's not lucrative. I tested out myself on my own side. It's that picture that's so iconic and it's just become Yeah, I'm not mail Mona Lisa. You

know what I'm saying. Definitely last one beat out when we go. So I'm just happy to we did this, man Like, thank you guys for having me. I know, um on a different mat project. We're supposed to get off with you guys and everything didn't work out. Was I apologize about that, but thank you for having that doing a dip set cover when I'll cut it off on them, like for excels Okay, I told me down. I appreciate you guys. Thank you absolutely man. Like a big st fan, that's my ship. I fight for that

album all time. What's coming to December sixteenth? Man, thank you so much. That Right Off Podcast