Rap Radar: Key Glock

Year wrapper our podcast, Elliott Wilson, speed out, beat out, what's up baby?

Great man? How you doing?

I'm good man. I'm a little jealousy you man. Why you this morning?

I'm waking up this the more than jealousy, you man, Why because you're not dark and handsome.

Is a problem.

I'm not dark and handsome. I won't give you that now. I'm more so talking about the excitement around you took over Brooklyn.

Man, this book a.

Hole, this exhibit in Brooklyn. He was everywhere. Man, Yeah, there wasn't. Man, it looked great on the ground. The Queen's Guys was in Brooklyn last night. It was It was definitely a vibe.

Man.

It was a time.

As the kids would say, now you appreciate you, You appreciate that collection and stuff like that. So you gotta tell me, like, is.

This shit the real deal? Yeah, it's the real deal. Like it's weird because Jay said it was a surprise. He didn't know about it. But it's like, how can you keep a surprise on the internet these days when your lyrics are plaster on the Brooklyn Library. But I guess you didn't know. But when you walk inside, it's like all of his artifacts there, like from his Grammys, his Awards, magazine covers, it felt like his plaques. It felt like he just you know, let them all on loan.

Yeah.

I mean my connection with it was Death had called me like months ago, and I got shook. You know, you get to call from dev like no warning. I was like, if I go to a home, I'm like, yo. Dez called me like, is everything cool? Is everything cool? He's like, no, no, I don't worry about it. I'll talk to her. I'll talk to her. So then he talked to her back, and then when I got in the poll with her later, she was just like, Elliott, the fuck is wrong with you? Why did you tell Jay?

I was.

I wanted to call you. But that was the beginning of the process of this thing earlier in the process. So I think Dez really did it put it all together. She had an amazing team as far as I know, and I think that he kind of knew something was coming, but he had no idea of what he was going into or seeing, you know. I think all of it was done as far as I know, without his knowledge of how it's being together, Like I'm sure he didn't know, or they're going to make bait put Baseline back together

You know, Yeah, it was really well done. And you know, Star studied be Honestly, you came through. Blue was there, Fat Joe.

I saw you with the God Rock Kim, Rock Kim a lot.

Rock Kim was there. You know, Charlemagne, the God was there. He never comes out. You got the goddess charm without sign or it was just it was like a woes who were you know hip hop there? But honestly, that just to have your career in that space, it just felt like a mic drop, Like I think there is no debate about who is the greatest to ever do it, Like it's really amazing you saw.

I saw a lot of the magazine cover. I touched a lot of those, man a lot of magazines and that that exhibit, a lot of magazines, a lot of lamne, a lot of plaques, a lot of pictures.

It was just amazing.

It's it's a really great exhibit for if you're a Jay fan or if you're not, just to appreciate the culture. So you're saying that without the VIP experience that you had last night, people could still enjoy this if they go see it, and we know, do we know how long it's open to the public or how it's gonna work. I'm still working.

I'm still looking that up my notes open to the public by the time the series the next day. But uh yeah, I just encourage you to run, to go run and go there. And afterwards we had a really good it was an after party. Okay, it's a little dinner. And that's why I had him signed my uh uh my program, he said. He said, I was the only person until I saw letdy Yes.

Pop up with one. So I don't know how that worked thout.

You and Leady a valid or yo. Leady was talking this ship to way, so what he said yours now. He said, you know, peace to the young legend or young guy whatever he said, young beat eye.

You know, peace and love. So it was cool, great night. Trying to say humbley was at the after party. You know what I'm saying, some Italian having some Italian. I believe it's some Italian e gotta come back to the East Coast. Man, yoh man, he ain't he ain't my posta be that he told about posta down Man still by game up Man.

World Up. It's crazy.

It's crazy, man, but I'm glad you had to can What was it like? You can read rock Kim mean to god, it was cool.

At first, I didn't know if it was him, right, because I'm like, whoever else is wearing times in like eighty degree weather.

Like Kim, a law man and a backyard ensemble.

I got to close. This is that rock Kim said, Yo, suck man.

Nobody's smiling. You know, I'm like, Okay, Kim is here.

Man.

You know I'm a big payd fool guy. You know, so of course I love the album. Man, you know, it's just good to see him.

That salad rock Kim alive.

Man.

But let's get focused to that now. Man, we beat us always admant that we know we respect the legends like rock Kim, but we got to make sure we connect to this new generation. This guy, man, he's been on top of the every body's year end list with his with his album earlier this year, Man Memphis is own.

Yeah, yeah, man, he's becoming like a regional legend in his own right, you know what I mean. Like Glacomba too, definitely one of the best albums this ship. For sure, that work record is making noise. It's funny, like he's young, he was young the recipes young Dolph. He was a cousin, right cousin of Young Dolph, yep, And like you look at what look.

At what Dolph put in, and it seems like even with you know, unfortunately with the passing, Glocus has kept it going for paper Route and really is carving like his only like you said, it's like a young Southern legend and building his mark in the game on a heavy level.

Man. Yeah, absolutely, Like he's definitely carrying the flag and you know, yeah as also artists on the label that he's cultivating as well. So I love to see his trajectory and like you say he re released the Glockom two and yeah, that's right. One of the standouts to me on that re release is Penny, which we talked about to in the episode. So cumber Man, Yo, we we tore it down May Brother's posse. Man, we took over a house.

Man.

We had a good time.

Yo.

He rolls deep, He rolls deep, man, Key Clock rolls deep, baby yo. Key Glock brought the entire city of Memphis with him.

Man, but like nineteen ninety six and it all seemed like friendly gentlemen. But you know, there was a lot of them, so you know, I have to look out. I know if that was paper Rout or the Grizzlies. Yeah, we want the whole franchise. The game wore it up.

No, it's sad shout out and producer Lord man, she gets these incredible locales. I think you would be excited when they, like see when we take things. So it's like they don't want to leave and they want to kick it, they want to hang out, and yeah, you know sometimes they just go a little bit a little stressful after that, you know, getting people out of the

Man.

We set our on grounds. Man, we set our own rules.

That's a fact.

Well, sit in and settle in for this episode. Man, Yes, yes, yes, yes, key block man. You wrap rate on podcasts, Yeah, year, wrap rate up podcast Elliott Wilson's beat out. You know what's up? Baby doing great sack of California.

Man, yes, sir.

And this guy man, he's on fire right now. Man, I mean list, I see so far the year, best albums of the year, all these periodicals, all these publications. I see that glock Homa two on there. Man, Yes, sir, mister, show some respect. Congrass key clock man. And now we just got and the time is impeccable for us, be that the deluxe just dropped at the time with Sitting Down Glaucoma two.

Was it always your plan to re release Gloacoma two?

Yeah, it kind of was, but I just didn't know like when I wanted to do it.

Yeah, but you're a fan of the sequels. You have the Yellow Tape two, Dumb and Dumber two, Like, is that you know it's the only two sequels. I really ain't too big on like sequels and trios, but who knows, you.

Know, we might have got it's got coma to your best album.

You can't ask me, I say all of them.

I mean, you got some classic yellow tape that's gold right for sure? Lacoma one is gold. But something about this Glacoma two, like have you seen it? Like I said, like it seems like that's really like you know, maybe also because your first real your first official release post to passing of Dolph, you know, the attention so much on you. I just feel like you sort of like rose to the occasion, you know what I mean?

In many ways? Do you feel that way everything happened for a reason and like what's meant to happen is going to happen anyway? Like, yeah, I'm get here to do my job, you know what I'm saying, do what I supposed to do and keep holding it down.

Was this processing any different?

You know?

Sometimes you get input from your peoples to like which songs you pick and stuff like that. Like you talk a little bit about what you feel like the making of Lacoma too, How did that come together?

In your mind. It really came from like my boys, like it really was their idea more than the man. So I actually let them pick out like the track list and everything. Yeah, like I put it in order, but like I let them like go through my fous and pick the songs up.

So does anybody, particularly in your circle that you really like, value their opinion like that at all of them?

It's a reason they're around, is that what? Yeah? For sure?

It's five hundred songs, right that you had and you narrowed it down to just eight for the deluxe Yeah. Nah, it was for really the whole thing, okay, but yeah, including the looks too. Oh man, for sure, five hundred songs you recorded like that, I record every day all day.

So your boys get critical about it, be like, nah, I don't like that.

Do you do? Yeah? For sure? Do you get That's why I need them around, Like, don't don't sugar coat it just because you're my boy, Like, let me know if you don't like it, And that's what we do, like we do it with each other. Right. And some of these songs are old too though, right, Yeah, someone like two years old? Wow? For sure? Which was are some of the older ones remember from the bottom it was like two years old. Key Ricks like a year old.

I love Penny Man, you've premiered that on stage too.

I recorded Penny on tour. Okay, wow, Penny like Penny was another reason that the LOOKX came because they're like, man, you need you to drop don't just drop Penny Man, you need to dropped the looks. I wasn't too big on the looks I went. It was never my plan like to drop the the looks. Yeah, so they put the motivation in.

Because when you tested out on stage, were like apprehensive to see how the response was. But people acted like as if they knew it already.

Yeah, exactly. So there's another reason why I did it. I was like, yeah, they I see the energy and feedback I'm getting from the fans and they don't even know the words. It's just the energies. It just all flow together.

Do you usually do that on stage, like do you test out some records or you just kind of like stick to your set list.

I really don't even getta like a final set list like every other show. I switched it up, but now I don't ever play like unreleased music. I just started down on this tour just trying something new, app because soon as.

You dropped the album, soon as you dropped the original album, you went on like a dirty two city tour. They talk about that, what was your experience, Like, was any particular highlights to sit out to you? A certain cities that you know really resonated And.

I enjoyed it all every city like like it wasn't no like, no damn falls, no, nothing like any negativity, no nothing, Yeah, Like it's just it's just all big and all love.

They city to sit out to you.

Everybody look like I can't even just say city, but like the whole state of Texas, Yeah, Texas, whole down South New York, New York, Yeah for sure.

And before he embarked on this tour though, Big Scar was supposed to come on the road with you, right right, how were you affected by his passion.

And stuff like they have been like it's not made for us to understand, Like I can't qustion God, but like you want to know why, but like you just gotta you just gotta keep pushing, like it's life, Bro's life, man.

But back to the tour part of it, like one thing to sit out with you from jump. It's like, you know, we'll talk about like people like a club arsist, but some people they call like hard ticket artists, like you're a heard ticket artist, Like you speak a little bit about how that developed that people pay to see Key Clock.

Do his thing. Really, I didn't. I didn't even understand it, like when I first came in the game, because I was like I was doing all like club like clubs like bags for sure, But then again I had to learn. I had to learn the business side of the tickets and like the venues because it's like it benefits more like the clubs and the streets. It's gonna it ain't going nowhere. I always always be here.

You got a catalog already for that audio like this.

Stamp, so why not getting this lane? Even if I gotta take a pay cut or you know what I'm saying or whatever, Like you just gotta take chances. It's busy.

Yeah, even when you're going on tour overseas, it seems like they're loving you as well.

Now for sure, everybody live.

What's some of your favorite joints to perform though?

Rush and cream we'd on the street came from doing like really anything? Yeah anything?

Is it shocking to you when you all overseas and those guys are resigning your your lyrics like that?

Nah, it's really shocking, Like it really like do something like triggered something in my mind and let me know, like you really you know what I'm saying, came from this place, but you always over here in this place and these folks barely even know English, but they know your ship.

Right.

Yeah, so Russian Cream, that was the first one that really brought you.

No, it was oh my Soul, Oh yeah, okay from Glax My Soul, My Soul, And when did.

You realize like that's a hit, Like what was that film?

Like I didn't even like the song for a while. Like sometimes it's like that, like my team picked this song, like they ain't fans, but like they fans, like in their opinion matter to me, So I'd rather trust they been my own. Yeah, like you know what I'm saying. So that's how they came about.

But who credit to somebody who out the crew really stands out to you.

That like you really respect that person's opinion. Really, everybody like you don't know, like I know them, like they like a majority, like hands up like that, like like it'll get into a tussle, like motherfuckers disagree, so so hard, like yeah, but it's our love though.

Ye Do you like that that your boys fighting over your son your content? Yeah?

I don't just I'm just telling me, Yeah, it's hard because you're my boy and you're around me like like this, how your ship really get weak?

So do you like, yes, man, you don't live yourself to kind of get attached too much of songs, I guess and a certain extent, like you feel like.

You could just I know what what songs be? Whitch? But then again, I still like listen to their opinion. Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure.

The one particular example that stands out to you where maybe you know, we said on my soul, I guess that's the very but you didn't believe in that to the same level they did and ended up being your first hit. So did that make it feel even more like, well, I gotta I gotta trust these people like but Russian Cream though that took off in kind of a different way.

Too, though that was that was a year later.

I didn't even know I didn't even know where Russian Cream was. It's a backwood, yeah exactly. Yeah, were surprised that took off the way the way it did.

I did, but I didn't. I did, like I knew the song was gonna do what it was gonna do, but I didn't know like how fans it was gonna expand basically, And is.

That the song where you try to do a remix and get a feature and the feature didn't work out? So now you're like, fuck a feature? Exactly exactly why such a hard stairs.

Platinum? Right now?

You took that ship literally you know.

Joke that Jakogo's platinum with no features, but you really don't fuck no features.

Never did.

You just didn't like that experience. I think you had told you, bro, like I was trying to somebody a bag, right, doff sell, let's do it, and it just didn't work out. But like, did that forever like change your view of how that, how I can go, how that should go down?

Yeah? Because I was young, like I'm still young, but I was like like nineteen twenty and I just didn't understand it, like, yeah, this person like now I'm offering money. It ain't like that they do this for free, like like, what's going on? So I don't know?

And plus on ev you said you don't like doing features. You don't like meeting new niggas, So it's pretty on brain, right.

No, you selected with your features like I was doing today, like the Young Nuty joint you dropped up with this project.

That's that point. It's hard you and Nudy like you're very select as a person, not even music.

Yeah, sure, because you select with your stuff. You don't even you wouldn't charge for a feature on your.

Stuff, right, Like as far as my own songs, I don't do features, like and a lot of folks beginning confused when I say I don't do features, they think I wouldn't do a feature for them, right, So that's why, like you know what I'm saying. Yeah, So that's how I really did commotion be coming about. But it really ain't even liked it. Like I'm open to work with you know what I'm saying, certain people, but I just got a thing with putting people on my songs.

Now from that experience, Yeah, yeah exactly. So you never hear a song that you'd be like, yo, so and so would sound.

Rather I'd rather make it a collapse than make it a feature. I'd rather share this song with the person. You know what I'm saying.

Yeah that makes sense.

Yeah.

Remember last year you said that you've been recording songs with like a chip on your shoulder. So why do you feel that way.

I've just been having a different type of energy, bro Like different type of energy, Like I got a bigger battery in my back. I just been on go. Yeah, I just been don't go.

Why do you feel like that, even despite your success, you feel like you still have something to prove in the game.

Yeah, it's it's always more like I ain't never satisfied, ain't it ain't never too much? Never too much.

You're very clear and records like dirt and fuck that Ship that you like really against like the idea that you know, money and fame changes you, you know what I mean. Like it seems like you're very step fast to say like, nah, I don't, I don't. I'm not going to go that way. Like what is it about fame that like what do you like about it? And what don't you like about it? Like this new attention that you've gotten and how you've grown in the spotlight.

Fame, it ain't good for all people like it in all fame ain't good fame like you you know what I'm saying. It's just I don't know. I'm ridly I'm a real like laid backing private person, but I know it comes with like my career, my job. Yeah, and I just gotta keep working on getting used to that. But yeah, like the fame, they ain't They really ain't what them here for. I know it's gonna come with the money, but they can keep it, yeah for sure.

I mean, you've been famous for a while. It seems like it's a.

Good running six's running out the gate.

Yeah.

Is that different though, too, because like a lot of artists still go through that period where like, you know, they struggle and then they finally pop off. It seems like you went from senior high school to like draft pick then.

Yeah, there's a lot of rappels Like there was it at the top of the you know what I'm saying career around the time when I came in, But now it's like they just slowly faded away for what I don't know, it just happened like that, right, Yeah, So.

Why have you been able to like rise above the fray because.

I just beat me. And you know what I'm saying, I stay in my own lane. You know what I'm saying. I don't link with too many people, like I just literally just beat me. Yeah, are you still living in Memphis? Nah? I ain't lived in Memphis since I was in the high school. Yeah, since I since I graduated, I've been there.

What's your view of the city now, Like, do you know what's going on out there? Like the temperature out there?

He was going to always be Memphis, it's just the jungle.

Yeah, sight up, it's South Meshis South Memphis specific to you?

Right?

Like talk a little bit about that, Oh Memphis. It ain't even just South Memphis no more like South Memphis got like the biggest impact, but it's just the whole city, even the suburbs. Now it's like he's getting ruggish shot there. Yeah.

Yeah, we've seen first forty eight.

Had the most episodes, right now, what is it that?

But obviously you take pride from being there, like what is what is some things like you love about the city, but somethings you wish you could change about it.

Really, I'm I'm really so glad. I'm like, I'm proud bliss to be from Memphis because like we don't think like a lot of people think, like a lot of cities, like like we do so much stuff like like people like called cool now like we literally don't condone like the opposite like far as like tricking, like me and a girl on the first day and give them up ten thousand and stuff like it's the other way around, like she might get me five or ten thousand, Like

Different, like for real, making easy moneys and style style.

Style you knows, so real.

But what would you changed, like more like kind of the violent aspect of it a little bit out of hand.

Ain't nobody changed, And like it is what it is down there, Like it it's too late. Can't nobody say say the city but god, you know what I'm saying, but the Lord himself, So it ain't no nobody can say come march or protests or nothing down there, Like it's it's old, it's too far gone.

Yeah, But musically it seems like you guys had like a little resurgence in the last couple of years.

What are your thoughts on that man has always had motion. I just I just think it's just more attention now because because of more younger artists, you know what I'm saying, like a new generation. Yeah, exactly, exactly.

Yeah, what's your family still down in memphr stuff?

I got family everywhere, gotcha? Yeah, you have family all over the states.

But you were really close with your grandma and you know, yeah for sure growing up rarely seeing your pappy. Talk about your relationship, you know, I know, she's.

My grandmother. Be turned out, my grandma, my grandma and her sex. She like she'd be turned through, living like she in her late twenties and early thirties. Yeah, she's just she just always had.

You talk about like you shoot dice with other casino. Yeah that was in the song yet it Yeah, for sure, So your grandma go to the crap table, just not that fast because she really more of a slot player.

She master slot. But if I'm with her, she'll do it just because I asked her to. Yeah.

You also mentioned your dad throughout some of your music, you know, like, what's your relationship like now with him?

My father passed, but we ain't just really have no no, no, uh really close relationship or nothing like that though, yeah, like we knew each other, but when we knew of each other, but we ain't actually know each other and put it like that.

Yeah, Grandmas, you say you just like him, like you see a lot of personality traits.

I can't. I can't really say more. They said, I act more like my mother really though. Okay, yeah, be.

Close with your mom and like you know, she was incarcerated for so much of your life, Like how was you able to like maintain that bond?

It was really all because of my grandma. My grandma made sure. Really she was the one, like like because I used to kind my grandmama mother like more until I got to a certain age to understand, like damn this my mom. Like I never understood like what Jill was or nothing, like when I used to go visit her and all that, Like I never understood until I got older, like to like say, probably like twelve, like

Yeah, because she was from two years old to your senior year in high school, right, and then once she got home, that's when your career kind of took off.

At the same time, you find that she was the reason. She was my blessed. Yeah, every damn for a reason.

Bron.

I think like I'd be thinking like so so crazy, like I was, like my mama probably didn't even go in. I probably wouldn't even been thinking about rebind like, you know, telling her what I'd be doing, Like I wouldn't have no draft to probably even do nothing, like like I was so stuck in the streets already. Like yeah, yeah, the only child too, right for sure?

Still, what do you think of all the success that you've had.

She loved me whatever. I'm with how people be saying this it's my twin. It's like it's my real twin. Like she's a female version of me. Bring it to the shows too, Yeah, she she brings herself to this show. I tell you, she still pop up for whatever she wants exactly. She's more important than me to make sure she's great. And I don't even worry about me, right, Yeah.

That's what's up. I gotta you gotta go to a glock show man got to Well, I think people were disappoint though. We didn't get to see your dream real fast this year. Blame it on Delta Delta, Yes, like Domester that way.

What happened. I don't know the story. What happened. I got de layed two hours. I stayed. I'm trying to you know what I'm saying, trying to make it right. They laid another two hours. Damn. So by the time I got there, everybody would have been leaving. So it was like it just didn't make sense.

Yeah, damn, we got to make it up on the next go around. He's going up, Yeah, going up most of the coach, the settlers, the professional wrestler. Ready or does he help you with your setless clock?

Help me with my said list? When I went to Texas? Really yeah, ready? Or helped you with the because I asked him where I asked my Twitter what song do I need to come out to? Yeah? Like he said them, Well, he didn't say it. He just put the mojy up. Yeah.

I knew what it was. Fans knew what it was. Yeah, So did the song come after that? You need the song after him.

Was after he I askeally today as soon as I got done recording. Oh wow, yeah, I just like naming my song like different catcher titles and ship. Yeah.

But speaking the songs, man, one of the songs that you said that you wanted to clear it was a Tupac record. You had a sample. What was that for? A glock home to the Deluxe State?

Man? That was before I even thought of block coming too. Okay, yeah, this song been recorded before I even went on tour. Said something going on with this state?

So what Tupac song was it?

Hell May Hell Mary.

It's a tough one.

Yeah, man, mind tough too, tough leg you got you growing up with you a Tupac fan like that too? Yeah? Because that was my mama favorite artist. Oh okay, yeah for sure. That's how I found out about.

I mean, even though your mom was a car straight, did she put you onto a lot of music or what? Did you get your exposure from?

Really? Her? And I got kind of like blues related like sounds and stuff like from my grandma, Like I got Project Pat and Wayne and Gucci him, like from my cousin. Y'all saw something.

I think it was Kevin He was saying, like he was crediting you feel like your ear for beats, you get credit to your grandma, But he didn't really follow up and ask you, like what do you mean your grandma? Like why do you credit your grandma with? Like why you pick great tracks and your ear for beats?

Like like she real big on blues, but she don't like rap music. And like when I was young, like she used to play blues so much, like I used to hide her CDs, hide her Tyrone Davis, Johnny Taylor, Like you know what I'm saying, Luther, I used to have them because she used to play it so much, to the point like I didn't even like have to play the song on my own. I just hear so much over time that I know the song. Like yeah, but it's like there's certain instruments that used to use

Yeah, use that helps adopt your ear today kind of like it for sure because a lot of the beats have that kind of bluesy rhythm to it.

You know, Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Also speaking of the beats, you know you and take Keith have great chemistry you know, we got the presidential role right now. Like I guess you guys want to. It's a deep history with y'all. You went to high school together.

And yeah for sure, Yeah it's crazy take you host to produce my first mixtape too, Yeah for sure.

What's it like to see his emergency? And what do you like about his production? Why do you think he's been able to kind of grow in this business?

Also he is always like just just being in himself, like and always on the computer, you know what I'm saying, Like, bro, like Bridget is perfected his crawd, Like you really learned how to perfect his crowd with it. Yeah.

Yeah, but you also got your own guy band play.

You know, they be putting band play to work, man, go to So that's the the cheap in house producer.

For the crew band house ain't cheap boy, you gotta going on right, Yeah, producing producer for a lot of other people now, yeah, being working.

You're working too, man. I saw that you said on Twitter you felt like people slept on the son of a gun tape. Man, Yeah, why do you feel that way?

It really was my fault. That was a good tape, No, I know, but like far as business like I was Russian.

Mm hmm.

I was Russian and I ain't like I ain't put enough you know what I'm saying behind it, But like I said, that was my fault. I was Russian being young, right. Yeah.

Do you feel like the response from the fans is like at the same level as like the Yellow tapes and the Glock Almost.

Every tape I dropped, like they see the growth and they like they appreciate me more and more, like yeah, feedbaches be bigger and bigger every time.

Yeah, I feel like you hit another gear with mister Glock, like that went super viral, Like how did you what was your response to that?

Like when that happened, Like when I seen it, I kind of already knew, like I was numb to and I was like like, this ain't nothing, Like they just don't know what I'm gonna drop Nicks and this when ambition for cash, you know what I'm saying, Yellow take too and all, it kind of came.

Ambition for Cash and mister Glock they sound similar almost or is that just to my untrained.

Here, Yeah, you think it's gonna try.

Yeah, I know they both go to platinum, right, both both platinum, both platinum.

But did you know mister Glock was going to take off like that?

I did. Yeah, I knew Ambition was gonna take out like this too. Like me and me and Doug was going back and forth like about this song being my single, like we said, we like we're a team. We tranced each other's a pin.

I think you said, like your aunt married Dolph's uncle. That's the connection. And like then he reached out to you, like you know, what was that like? And like why did he reach out to you initially? And then what do you think it was? That why you guys clicked so quickly, like.

Like got intun we like we've been in touch, Like it just was never like no music thing. But I was just young, dumb getting and getting in trouble. Everybody just knew I had, you know what I'm saying, good at what I was doing at the time far as rapping. So that's how they have basically just trying to keep me out the street. Wow.

So it got to that point you think if you look back at it, that it came at the right time because it could.

Have, like like I said earlier, like God, send my mama back to me. You know what I'm saying. That was my blazing Like same way off.

The thing with Dolph. I mean, obviously he's so he's so well loved. From your perspective, though, when you look at him as an artist, right, Like what do you think it was that made him so special? How do you how do you personally view his musical legacy.

I don't even look at him as an artist. He ain't even he ain't even about the music, Like dude, just a genuine you know what I'm saying, the person, energy, good hearted person like you can't you can't. You can't beat that, you can't fake it, like you know what I'm saying.

So yeah, So getting to know him, getting to know your cousin even more, you just kind of drawn to like this guy's characters as such a at a high level.

He been like this ever since day one I met him. Yeah, he's been like that.

I remember your tweeted you said you're sitting back thinking what would Dolph?

Do?

You know? Like are there moments where you think about that throughout the day where it's in business.

Or just yeah, for sure, smartest here you know what to do, Like like if it's someone will know or understand like about beingess like if it's I go to doll or my mom or daddy or God like just straight up with his passion.

Did you feel extra like responsibility to like you know, keep paper Route Empire and everything moving as well as it can not?

It ain't no me, because it's gonna grow with without me, Like like dude, I already stamped it already plan you see, Like yeah she's gonna fail, girl, Yeah yeah, with U without.

Me because you got Roster's button, you got Kenny money, got band, played snoop bands and j fizzle.

Right right, and not even just music. It's just bringing paper rout like period, Like it's deeper than WRAP like for real.

I was gonna say, what do you think makes you guys distinctive and different from these other movements or WRAP crews or labels.

Like like I told was you earl like GM were just real like like just straight up like we ain't too much caught up in the thing, like we family men, bro, like more than anything like first like for real, like like BRO said, we just we just go get the money to the family, like I don't care about too much other shit.

Were you still like in the morning, because I feel like people were surprised, Like you know, BT Awards last year, they thought that you were going to do like a tribute on stage, and you said you didn't want to do that, Like was it just.

Not not even just that. I'm gonna be honest, I really I ain't even I didn't feel it either, like I didn't. I didn't feel it was genuine, like could have did something bro when he was here. I don't, don't you know what I'm saying. I don't wait till something happened then reach out. You know, I ain't nothing against it or not. It's just I just didn't feel it was genie. You know I didn't. I didn't. I didn't want no parts.

Up and you stayed fiercely independent. Man, you said, just turn the deal down. What the fuck is ten mil.

Oh?

I felt like there's one of the lines and the other album. You said it with your chest. You said, I'm shipping on the industry. Can't crop me out the picture. I feel like you met that ship, Like what inspired that line?

I just be saying that a little little funny ship on it just motivated me. Though I don't take nothing to the hard offensive. I just I just let every thing motivate me and laugh it out.

But do you take pride? It seems like you've you've done it with you know, following Dolph's direction, Like you guys have kind of done it your own way, right, like it carved your own path. For sure you take pride in that?

No, for sure? Why not? Who wouldn't want this position? Who wouldn't want to you know what I'm saying, the masters and drop when they want to drop? You know what I'm saying, Like for real, right I can cause right now eight I want to drop the song they went on the de looks I need to drop it Monday, All right, don't get done. You can't do that.

Did you ever do like the rounds back of the day, like the bad meetings with the labels and like I feel like they don't really understand what I'm about or the vision, or you ever go through the industry passage of like trying to get a deal traditionally.

Or nah nah, yeah, not really. I never reached out to man like even when they reached out to me. I just nah because I know I know my worth and I know what I can do with what we can do on our own.

Yeah, I thought was interested. Like on Gucci and Dolf on the yellow tape, you said, the couple round with the right amount, you'll break the pen.

Damn right. I ain't got nothing to prove. I'm twenty five. It's great.

What's that number look like, though, Like, what's the.

He said ten millions.

A year ago. That's a dusty record for this as from a year ago.

Right, But even with the independent success, the office is still coming in wanting you to do businessman.

Who don't want go out like you said, hear them first round drafting. Yeah, career, that's what it.

Wars or one thing on your bucket list. You say you want to be richest Bill Gates. Right, have you had anything lately to that bucket list?

I added anything? Yeah, I really, I ain't even I don't even think about like stuff like that.

Yeah nothing yet.

Okay, ain't playing in no water none of that. Nah, I ain't got no buckets.

Okay on the serious SnO called lean habits man, like you know, you've been very proud about the usage of it, Like, is the point now?

Is it something that it's concerning it all?

You just feel like you're still like in good control of it, and like what made you decide to make a whole record kind of addressing it.

It's just the mood I was in and what was going on to day. So yeah, like it just came out like that.

But you feel comfortable sharing that like that to the world.

Yeah, because like you don't, like you don't got a hold of me. I got a hold of it. You don't control me. Like you know what I'm saying. I can I can go without it. I don't guess to have it. I don't need it. I want it, like you know what I'm saying. Yeah, I know my limit. I know you know what I'm saying. I know what's to me.

But you need do you need it? To like record?

I don't need it, y'all. I don't need it at all. And I know that I see I want it, yeah, and I get it, so I respect it wants and needs.

That's all little fun as you were cruelly and stuff.

You just do the crossover, man, y'all, A little game, little basketball. Sure fun. I ain't. I probably ain't ran two three months prior to their game, like stretched or nothing. Warm up. He just jumped in there. Yeah, I ain't doing like no jogging, no, none of that. I just, like you said, just jumped in there the next day a little bit, you know, like I saw that day.

You want to shout some of these rappers out here better think they could play back. You may't take anybody one on one.

I take anybody. She had nobody, But I just I'm just ain't in shape. That was my problem. I ain't. I wasn't in shape.

I would think so because you're like on tour a lot, and you know that's good cardiovascular.

Stage different, okay, stage different, you know what. I'm stage different. I know how to control my breath way better because I ain't running on the stage. I ain't jumping and out it right, going.

Back to doctor, I wanted to give you your prop. So I feel like proud, you know, I hope you're proud of proud, because I feel like that really is like one of the best, like hip hop tribute records, Like you speak a little bit about that, you know, making that record, that process.

It's just it's just certain feelings that was in me that I had to get out there. I couldn't know what I'm saying, get out no other way other than music, you know, what I'm saying. Yeah, I still didn't even get everything out, but like still to this day, like I don't even I don't even play this song. I don't even like to hear it. Yeah, I don't even I just just did it, you know what I'm saying. I just let it out and let it be, like I don't even like to hear it. No more performed

But but it's fair to say you are literally proud of it, and it to me it is it should be viewed as, like, you know, one of the one of the greatest tribute records.

To some it's not even really like a tribute. It's just like just expressing my feelings, like yeah, for sure.

You also talked about your aunt, who I passed away in her sleep, like you guys really close.

Yeah she was like that really was like my mother other than my grandmother, Like like she was doing like I can't even express it or going to detail too much, like she meant the world too. Like, yeah, she meant the world too.

Is it hard being that vulnerable on a lot of these records when we talk about like grandmother, your father, Dolph, your aunt.

Yeah, because I can't. I can't just keep holding in and let it. You know what I'm saying, beat me up, like I gotta get it out some type of way. I don't talk to nobody about it. So I just talked to the beat. Just speak it out.

Yeah, have you played your mother? Mama said yet she heard that joint share for anybody.

I did this. I did this song in twenty one, okay, so two years old. You mess with this?

A review of it, Mama told me, get up, masks and get on my ship and.

Ship right up. You need.

Another record. I Love as Well is a work that's a very motivational record.

Man, you know that was gonna be one of those I kind of did. I kind of did, Yeah, I kind of did.

What's about that record? You think that resonates so well with people?

Things I'm talking about? And you can work in all type of fields no matter what's your career. What's your job, like, you got to work even if you're in the gym, the office, studio, football field, like, well, you you got to work. That's my joint.

When I'm trying to get that last setting.

Get you batter that right, like I'll say you say, you tweeted out you said, I got a love hate relationship with the casito.

What's going on? Man? You in the casito? Man, it's like it's something bad. I aint I ain't figured it out, but I'm on it. Like I'm figuring the casino out to a science. They beatable to a certain extent. You know what I'm saying. What's your game of choice? Craps Mick Aran Roulette, m M.

Healked about you going with Granny to the to the casino that did she ever win big?

See the way she is she do, you wouldn't know old school Dan, she ain't feeling Yeah, she's smooth, she's right, like we'll yeah, we'll know once we get back home, but like not why we're actually there.

Okay, yeah, that's.

What it is.

What do you making the old This whole jam Mo rant craziness going on again speaks to the kind of the city of Memphis, right, Like how crazy things can get.

It's crazy because like they're trying to blame mythics and he's not even doing those things. And yeah, like whatever he doing, whatever they accused him was, It's not like the situations ain't happening any gotcha. I don't know. They gotta figure they gotta figure out. They gotta figure something because it ain't the city.

Yeah, I saw something crazy like his rookie card against It's a shot of you and Dolph in the back.

Like, yeah, I'm a collective because of that. Yeah, for sure, that's crazy.

You're on that card.

Man. I got plenty of them. Card my fans make me sign a card my own car. I got them.

And you said, like the age, you know, you see some of the artists with the with the ball players and exchanging jersey and stuff. You have said you don't really hang with basketball. No disrespect, but you don't really hang with basketball players like that, right, not not to not.

I was just saying, like athletes, yeah at all, Like yeah, it's all I'm glad you hang out with us, right up, straight up.

What's the rest of it?

You look like, what what?

What?

What's what?

You're gonna drop another album?

Independent? Man?

We gotta watch you.

Man.

You can do anything.

Man, When I was just want to say, I might do anything. I might put out a I might put out a gospel rap album. I can do whatever, or blues one red Man so Sol album, something right, but yeah for thrilled, I'm I ain't got it just figured out yet. Yeah, I'm still you know what I'm saying. I'm still just analyzing and trying to make my plays right. My next move, my bitch move. You don't like rushing, nothing, no forcing that, But it's.

Gotta feel good because it feels like your career, like you said, you've seen a lot of Cassi even when you first popped off was and it makes it just seems like your career keeps going up and up each level, like keeps going to another level.

Right, Like I said, I don't like forcing and rushing. Like a first when I came in, I used to always want to like drop music like read it more than enough, Like you know what I'm saying, but I didn't understand it, Like how I understanding now, Like timing and anticipation is everything. Yeah.

Also, like a lot of times artists come out and then be like put an album out, you know, like Foma came out you know, earlier in the year, right, but still even before the deluxe it's stayed in people's rotation. Like what you think it's about your music that, like I would say now, like a lot of artists, Like you said, they come in they want to gain attention, but how do you like retain attention? Like people still care about you? Like what are you thinking is about

Later, because because like I said earlier, I just like I just be being me, Like you know what I'm saying. I don't sound like nobody. I don't think nobody sound like me, like you know what I'm saying. So I think they just they just keep me like stuck out away from me back. Yeah, plus you learn the game from Dolph straight up, keep going on, Glock. We appreciate you, but I appreciate you.

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