Rap Radar: JID

we all got him in New York. So every time I come to waffle House and we don't have no waffle houses back home, we don't, we do not. So you know, whenever I come down here, you know, get some waffle House, Get me a what's it called the Grand Slam or whatever? Yeah, even know what that moons over my hamm me whatever. That's cool saying it right, that's Denny's whatever, the same ship. There you go, delicious delicious here, Travis here, hyper House, you gotta keep those going. Man,

do you want these videos? Man? Hashtag asked Laura at hyper House. Man, that's really what you have to do. All I see you can play to about there's no videos. This is why you don't have any videos The Truth South. Finally I feel I feel cleansed. Did I final? It is that? The campaign hashtag asked Laura asked Laura, Man, alright, cool not Laura's all quiet over to say, but I know one day beat that doesn't let him and you always get your own You get your own car with

something about that today? Man, you don't want to just like you have to floss on us. Man, you rent the car as soon as you touched down the city. Man, it was expensive. Man, and you know you gotta move around, shake some hands, kiss the babies. Why not have your own vehicle? You know what I mean? You play a lot for Uber's. I do manse economy the other day

about it? Right right? You know my uber rators in saved but expenses because I don't even know how to drive, Like, how did you like, you know, like a rare dude, and Queen's unning around with a car Like in New York we was talking like ride the subway. You don't even have a car. You were told to ride a subway. I had a call, I had it. I was driving like like sixteen sixteen seventeen. Yeah, you had to man with your south side listen getting on that bus was

not cool. So having your own v was definitely the move. So because you lived like the like. So there's like, I remember I dated this girl Lalton. She lived in Lawton. So you gotta like take the train right to what one's seventy nine depends. You gotta take the trade to the last stop and then get on the dollar van. All the dollivan. I will the dollar van trying to hook up with that young lady at the man Olivan

is back in the day, Like we'll sketch you out there. Yeah, so you know, I've been driving for a long time, so anytime in Atlanto, always got to move around. Man beat I stayed with a whipman, got to and then I found out the other day to beat out an average suit collector on the lot. We're talking about the possibility of a Rock Nation Brunch coming back to life. We're hearing rumors, rumors ever since you know what's our gun. In our last conversation, he was saying, like he took

he posted a picture on Twitter. Right, we took a group shot of myself, Jay Z and Benny the Butcher, Homie Dash and hit Boy took a group shot. But you know, in the midst of taking the shot, we would get it to get together. So I saw a gun, put it on Twitter. Look at Bet not trying to fit in in the picture, trying to be cool, but I'm like fitting in. Look at this fit like I

felt like you were in the Last Nation. Color was just it was I think it was teal, you know, Jay had moth hold That moth had teal like an awkwa green blue situation depending on the light. I really fly pockets square, you know, I like I like to wear suits, you know, so I responded to west Side Gun, I'm the flyer guy. Guy was kind of got that off though for like a bad bit. So anytime you gotta yeah, that's how I feel. So yes, I love to get suits, and you know, I'm looking forward to

the Rock Nation brunch whenever that happened. We talked a little bit, a little history with the Rock Nation brush. Oh yeah. When I couldn't get in that time, I felt like we got bad because because they actually I think sometimes because we actually know a lot of the people, espectly knowing the big Homby, we're getting a lot of a lot of photo ops and stuff, and sometimes people may not be feeling that. So there was one year We're pretty much man that got banned from No, actually

I was. I wasn't banned. I just showed up late. And that was a problem, you know what I mean. So I couldn't get in. I don't think he was thinking I wasn't to get it was the truth. I couldn't get in, and we tried. Dipsey tried to get me in, called Cherry, try to get me to get you. You know, beat that's good everybody, but it was bad. But from there I learned my lesson. You gotta show up early to events. Yeah, there's always a lot of instructions on how to get to the right nation brunch here.

If they don't try to drive directly at times, you may have to get dropped off here. Yeah you come by a certain time and you know it gets shut down. I gotta take a shuttle to a shuttle. But you know, ever since then, I realized, okay, boom, I just gotta show up to where I need to be early and I'll be okay. So that was my lesson learned. Got to be on time. Yes, it's a message to the youth time. I think one time with this episode man, this guy made a lot of noise last last year,

but I feel like the album is still relevant. It's made a lot of the critics top albums of the year, trying to make beat Us top five. Yeah, who we got today? Man? J R. D Man Story JR. D Man. I really like him. You know, he could rap, you know, that's the first thing I think about when I think about Like the dude, karam really well and the album I think was really well constructed. It was personal, transparent, you know. I felt like I know his family now.

I love him a little bit better now too. He went in on the family stuff, like I feel like as crazy as an artist, like when you like, well, two things, I feel like you could have these crazy like personal things that happened to you. But like as an artist, you're not ready to talk to talk about that yet, like you store it right like this, Like he would think, after how many albums and so so and so did something o the childhood trauma he had, like why don't he talk about that in the first

couple of albums. But a lot of times artists process things and then it's also I feel like it's interesting our artists will like put out these very personal songs and how that affects the family itself, right, like you know, because most times they probably don't know it till the song comes out, and then you gotta deal with the

world's reaction and your families. Actually, one time I saw a lot of things written about you know, Kenjick Lamar, like wondering, like with the stuff he's he had them, Mr Morale, you know, how to his family members feel about things? He said, you know, we don't know yet because you know, he won't sit down on the rap rade On podcast. But you know, but I thought going there was really powerful. Like you said, like the family stuff is just like it's a lot of unpack or

like one DMC excid it gets tricky. So you got queen, you know, you always got to figure it out. But you know, he's he's riding on. And also I love the record stick for some reason, it feels like it feels like his song, but it's not. It's not. It's it's a dream Ville record, true, you know, but it feels like it's his. So um, I love that record and high energy. It's how high energy joint and you know he's he's doing this thing and I'm expecting more

from him, you know, going toe. I think he's gonna put like he said, more freestyles. Um, maybe might get another project, the Caprio three perhaps, Um, so you know, we'll see. What do you think that you got Jamaic Coles running that label, that dream Ville thing. It looks it's pretty, it's pretty good at label on a little good good exact dream Velle is an army that he

had a navy. You know, it's interesting because it's like to me after Cold like who you always think about second in community, think of jay Z, think of maybe kind you know, after him, but it's like Ari Lennox, she's doing her things and then he also you got a guy like Jin and he's doing his and then got the other guys like Earth Gang Boss. I think it's greenloading omen is you know in the cut, so I like where I like where Dreville is at right now.

It's abug you out because these guys like do you really know like Ibraheim you came up with like your friends like because of course the first and narratives like oh is j Cole really going to be a rap star? Right? Like this guy believe's gonna be a star. We don't necessarily believe it yet. We think he's talented, but like he could he be a star, that could he be

a superstar. Then he becomes a superstar. But then now they're running a successful label, Like isn't that crazy that he's like a on the load like this big music executive. You know, he don't carry himself that way. He really is, absolutely, I mean I think they have outside of Cole, they have Ri Lennox, like I just mentioned, who's, in my opinion, like one of the premier R and B accident game right now. You know, I don't think what numbers whatever

you want to gage you. I think she's deaf me up there great projects and having like a guy like Jed who's doing his own thing work with imagine Dragons and you know he's on he's doing Mad in twenty two the soundtrack for that. Like he's his own guy in his own right too. So did I love it? You know, seeing even cold in this light, it still bugs me out, you know because I remember when it wasn't like that. So man, do you think he would have those uh like like a drive to like get

into the business like that. I mean at first She's like holding your man now, right, like you taking care of Cold, but like to then get your own imprint and really become this person. Did you see that for him in his future? Yes, you know, because he's been day one though he was like day zero with Cold, right, I saw that. You know. If he applied that same um tenacity and gumpture with Cold, I could see him doing anything. So yeah, I mean I can't say I saw it like you know, a psychic, but you know

he definitely had the ambitious no doubt about it. You love ambitious people. Man is very ambitious. Man. This guy is about to go on tour also with Smino. You gotta check him out. That's a sold out to already. So already already, I know know New York show is gonna be crazy. I'm definitely looking forward to that. You'll be in the front row with Stick goes on like Wolin. Stick comes to be the hype Man might do Coles versus.

So when Atlanta Man is to be to this episode, man, we might not some more episodes out in Atlanta, right be, So you've gotta make some calls, man, you know some people forever I love Atlanta all right. Then let's get into a bad Atlanta episode. We're on Atlanta Run, and I'm gonna say we're gonna Atlanta run. Just some episodes together out here while we are on the A. It's like a residency. Man, let's go a little residency, right said, you're right set that free moving on fright with the rap,

right up podcasts to get Airbnb or something. Man, let's get into it back. But first, it's j I D Man, Sir big jit on the rap right off. Yeah, it's a wrap rate of podcast. My name is Beat Feeling Elliott Feeling good Man. We're in the A, but I got many what's going on? I went offer you blownely sandwich, but I don't want to. Everything's good, Jim Mane. Seems like you're about to kick it off real proper man going on this cold headlighting tour with Smino. Yeah, the

Love is Forever Life Acronym tour. Right, talk to talk to me about that tour, man um. I feel like this is like a good tour for like the culture. You know what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying for we're like where we are in our careers and like homies for real, Like that's like one of my own boys. So I just feel like it would just file Like it's just a good combination of people to get the other. And then I feel like our fans meshed really well. So we just decided to do it

for real. Simple now. But it's dope because like you know, you obviously when you come in the game, you got like open for big stars and tours and that working. Like so yeah, explain why you think Smino was that perfect partner to like what's this thing? Uh? You know what I'm saying, just being a fan of his work even before like we made and stuff like that, and

then that's my dog, you know what I'm saying. More so like I could stand beside him like Morley stand behindside him like here a good person too, So it just made sense for the type of personal m and and just with us. Yeah, it ain't know, you know what I'm saying, crazy re sales, it's unfair. But at the same time, like and doing it supposed to do in the market, how hard is just put the setlerst

together at this point, you know what I'm saying. With the the album got done, I got two or three you know what I'm saying, and compilations and stuff like that. It's pretty easy because I know what they want to hear and I know, like I got to open up The New World, which is a new project that we dropped last year. So I feel like it's it gets easier as far as the music. I would say get easier as far as like choosing the music. But it's always that like sensor performing and then being able to

see you like, what's gonna reach the peoplehere? They're gonna react to the most. It's just it's a day by the process when to come on tour until you get into your actual group. Yeah, I know it hasn't been easy man, find these openings. I saw that you said on Twitter, who should you bring up on as an opener? I just narrow it down yet. I was just talking to ship to make the people talk online. Yeah, so you gots just holding it down by yourselves. No, we got,

we got. When it's coming. I actually feel like we're going out sometime this week. I don't know when it's coming out, but sometime soon we're gonna get it out. Okay, that's what's up man show. Yeah, I don't know, like you said this album and Forever Stations, how does that feel like? You know, there was a lot of anticipation. Man, we guys start getting you started getting on the nerves. We thought you was taking too long. Right then you finally delivered, like and it seems like it meant what

you wanted to do, right. It was a long time coming for real. It just had to like adjust and just like make sure I was addressing the right subjects because it was more so like a personal project. It

was I wanted to get off. I ain't really care about how many people felt about it, and it was so personal to the point I was like being super meticulous, like how I was going about the music, and just like what I was saying, I was going back on a lot of stuff, and I was like digging through different scenarios in my life and just like unlearning, relearning trauma for ship. Everything just a clusterfuck of what the

project came to be. And I feel like it just turned out to to the point where I was happy with it, so I was able to release it and it feels good. I'm kind of done with They don't even listen to it. The more it's just like my

hands the word the training Worther. People say like kind of therapeutic in the sense I know a lot of people say that, but for me particularly, I feel like this was like one of the most intentional you know what I'm saying, and kind of like because y'all know I'm jetterly like you know what I'm saying, I'm moved around.

It's a lot of pieces that you know what I'm saying to bring whatever this is together with this one, they felt more like like a b you know what, I'm in a straight line to get to the message I was trying to put track through the music. It's interesting like sometimes like remember when Kenny did Duckworth, Like it's like, okay, this crazy story, what top happened? How would he not have revealed that before? But it's like I think with artists, sometimes takes time for you to

want to show really personal things, especially when they affect family. Right, That's what it was, Um, you're just trying to figure that out. How how not to like you know how they say like, uh, instead of ask permission, ask forgiveness. I didn't want to were step in a lot of scenarios because I know, like his family, So it's touching the sensitive subjects there. So I didn't want to always

step in a lot of situations. But some situation I was like this sucking, Like this could help somebody else, just help, it's helping me, not even help somebody else, like because it wasn't like the world is, oh, I'm worried about what you want to hear, And I was like, nah, like I need to kind of like let this fly right and see how the chips fall. I'd rather you

started album in twenty nineteen, right for sure. So all these songs that didn't make the cut that are still in the courtroom Florida didn't make the cut hundreds bro close to maybe a thousand or something just because of like how I worked nineteen. I was on tour, like I'm about to be on tour right now, like just a lot. But that year, um specifically, I got a chance to just be on a road, you know what

I'm saying. We brought mix and stuff like that, and I was on a lot of features and stuff like that, and it kind of like opened up a big world for me at that time. And the features kind of like loaded up and it kind of took over me. Like recording that album while I was on the road because I was just doing a lot of help like that,

because it's crazy, bro, I didn't drop. You know what I'm saying, would to say, three or four years I give a tape that was probably like the biggest I've been in my career, while I didn't because of the record of the features like the Grammy nomination through the Dog Cat and the Imagine Dragons records like at that time, talk about that crazy bro, crazy crazy. I was just ramming.

But then it was hard to then focus on it was it hard to then focus on your project because you feel like you're getting pulled and it's like I'm the hot guy, got these looks, and I don't even I never really felt like I was the hottest. I never feel like I'm the hot guy. But I just think a lot of artists or some artists just respect, you know what I'm saying, what I could do, and it's like a mutual respecting that music, and I just think like, just that's the cool, that's the that's the

frequency I want to stay on. I'm not trying to be like, you know what I'm saying, but the hottest today like that, you feel I'd rather be like, oh, this is just respect to your craft. You know what I'm saying, you can just anytime exactly. I think that's yeah, the just who I am, you know what I'm saying, Home put on really airs or nothing like that. I just kick it with and then if I could stand with you morally, you know what I'm saying, if you if you just a solid human, it's it's you're talking

about that crap. At what point during this time did you start taking singing lessons? Let's say so after twenty nineteen, I said my vocals were messed up, so coming into pre quarantine, we did the whole Grammy. Right after that, y'all remember like what's her name? Hit um covid or whatever um. A little bit after that, just trying to rehabilitate my vocals, I did a couple of months with the lady. Name is Beverly Johnson, Miss Beverley Johnson, and yeah,

it's all right. Was that like the people like some of those songs, Like, what were the moments in the album that you feel like vocally you got to like harmonize in ways that you didn't think you could before. I've always tried to like, you know what, I'm doing a lot of things and stuff, just testing my vocals um because I know, like my parents, my mom and my dad could sing, like my brother could sing. I got a couple of like people in my family and let me know, oh maybe I can do this. Maybe

it's an untapped talent. I figured if I wanted to do it, I got to do it in the right respect, you know what I'm saying, Because I really love singers. I think that's like even respect to rap. But I think like singing it's really like a talent, like you really have to be You can't really fake that, you

know what I'm saying. You get it all you did, And so I didn't want to just come off like and be like, oh, that's good for a rapper, Like I actually want to like step into like an artist ram Like I'm an artist, you know what I'm saying, Like a rap, I can sing and whateverever. I wanted to be more authentic to my vocal skills too, Like that was a big part of it, because I know, like you could try to sound like something, but actually like tapping into how you really sound, it's a different thing.

I kind of found that in my lessons and all that. It was the vocal moment of the album. She was proud of. Yeah, Cody Blue when I hit the you know It rain, When I hit that, we were great, We're great. I gotta take. I did it about probably a hundred times. Once I heard the one take, I was like, oh, we out listen but be I heard, but being I heard, the vocal coast wasn't feeling the Tiny Desk man, Oh hit me up going crazy. She

was not rocking, just because it's like posture. You know, I'd be leaning over, I got to sit up and saying you gotta projected dir frame. I just wasn't doing that. She's hitting the stomach real hard and like wow, but yeah, it worked. It worked though for the album, worked for the Tiny Desk. I gotta come hit you on another moment. But I think my friends and people they gave me wrote for art rap artists, and those people don't want

to take that on. Drake did it like it's very rare still that thing shouting hip hop artists will like say, you know what, let's try to really say that's the Negros spiritual of a song. If I could, if I would say to myself, like that was kind of what I was aiming for, just like that world of music because I don't really like too much exists like Negro

spiritually trying to do that. That's kind of provocally. You always reminded me of cute it right, But like I love them so much about this album is like how you bending words like on Stars, like even that second verse when you're saying like the lead or and Christian or know what? Like, was that your intention going on just trying to be playful with your rhyme? I really just let the vibration just kind of got me sometimes

when I be wrapping. It comes from a lot of different places, but for like that regular specifically like bend in those words just felt like, you know what I'm saying, it was I can't think about the word I'm trying to say, but it just felt right for them that just a little pattern of music that it came on they did throughout the whole project. Yeah, okay, okay, Radar and like the flows and the patterns are crazy. Man. When that stuck out to me was around sound congratulate.

That's what set it off, right, Yeah, Yeah, that was the first one we dropped that. I feel like February February or earlier. It maybe Jenue way of last year. That's the fastest to ever go go for you. So yeah, yeah, it's like less than a year, maybe like eight months. Last I checked, it was a hundred million streams almost

plat baby, you think that song resonated so well? Um, you know what's crazy, bro, I was doing like a little theory test or a field study, and I'm like, y'all, y'all turned up like a little field study and I'm like, all right, everybody does like the resurgence of the song that was popping at one time. I kind of took that farm and then I wanted to use like shout out to y'a seen you know what. I wanted to show up to Miss fat Booty. So my dog sent me that be and I'm like, oh, this is perfect,

Like I can keep flavor on this. And that's what it is right now. That's the climbate wind kind of just it works. That's the biggest one of the what's name for me? And it's just because familiar things, you know what I'm saying. Nostalgia is really a big factor in to listen to music because everybody got to correlate something or something. You always relate something the song, so it's if it's already there and then you put your

own twist on it. It's kind of beautiful. It's kind of beautiful being able to show respect to that because that symbol came all the way from Aretha Franklin. Yeah, yeah, one step ahead and then you go to most def and then you know what I'm saying. And I'm sure other people have used that as well, but that's that's kind of hard to me. I love, like Sewan respect in that type of life. Yeah, though it was dope. I saw your the amazed performance you did that you

said you showed it was like you played the sample. Yeah, you played the most defin like this is great, this is great, okay, my greatness. You know, it's like you added on to that legacy. So it didn't feel like you're just like, you know, it's not it's not a cheat code. More so more so asked to a legacy that it exactly exactly how Yeah you put that. That's perfect. Even the performance twenty one on there as well, it's one of his he's had a crazy year, but that

was one of his best performances too. Yeah, him and from the East Side. I just was just saying, you man, young Duty, I don't know this be that young Young Duty too. Took me to a place called Boulder Press. Yeah, I think that's where this young gentleman is from. He was assistant. I taken me to his actual area, but he grew up, you know, I went. He drove like a maybiac and hopped out. And you know, it's a

real situation, right texting. I mean, I don't wanna, but whatever we are right now, too nice for real is to go down over here. Yeah, but I think what's funny about you? You the thing about I think we understands like you viewed as this pure artist, but like there's so much street element or so much realness to your your craw understand like like that doesn't I don't know if every critic gets it, that doesn't understand the culture.

It's like you're talking about real under like that you're proud of how you're able to do that, but then it's it's kind of sneaky too and not trying and keep it like that. But if you know, you know, type of situation, I don't know kind of like it's almost like talking to cold, but at the same time, it's like respect to like where I'm from, respect to like people who are still going through that. You know

what I'm saying. I try to find right now we're here right exactly, trying to find that common ground, you know what I'm saying through the music, because it's a lot of different meetings, there's a lot of different it's just a lot of different vibrations out there, you know what I'm saying, and you can find that that medium between everybody to just bring it all in. I think I try to hit a record called stick you know what that means? Not yeah exactly, like that's that's that's crazy.

That's another song that's going off, is doing really well. Sticky debut. Did that dream Feel Fast? And I saw you do it? That made in America in Philadelphia. I think every year I made in America, always trying to figure out like who owns it? You know, like who's the m v P. I feel like you definitely were the guy that what was it like? Because you are holding the pole up there. I've seen security take a dude was up there. He was charged up my s

and I seen security telling me get down. I was like, oh, I can use this. This is like a perfect little landmark where everybody could see me. It's like performance, that's like one of the more important aspects of my career. I just take hevery importance is to like trying to put on the best show post or whatever, just because it sell the tickets. You know what I'm saying. You sell the tickets, you do your own shows, and then that's what big books for the festivals. And that's just

where I'm at right now. When you go to show, you don't hear him wrapping his vocals, wrapping over the vocals, no backing tracks for show. For shore, like take big pride of that just because I've just seen the difference. I've been on both sides of it, and I'm like, oh no, this is the way you connect more because it just brings everything to life personally death. For me, I know everybody does it a different type of way

because everybody got different like capacities. I tend to have like a I got a lot of winds, you know what I'm what's that challenge to like because you always want that person to sound like the record. Yes, right, So like do you feel confident though, that you can deliver a performance something similar to the record? For sure? For sure? And this little tricks and stuff I learned through touring and making music through the years, just how to like you can get every word and just take

a breath for it left the DJ. You know what I'm saying, Just little things to be able to create that same performance or a little bit better. Sometimes I've seen people say like, oh, I like your lot of performances is better, maybe casing point like Colors, I did a song called working Out. I've seen a lot of people say like, wow, I love this version, And that's

never a slight to me. That actually makes me feel more proud because it's like, oh, okay, like now you get it because before it was radios and headphones and ship and he was performing in your face drums and how that's how he was doing it. So I love it if somebody says I love this performance made way better because them tickets, That's really what it's about. Like I'm a touring artists in my ticket sales, so I like,

try to stand on that. And you broke your wrist performing at the Governor's Ball, right, we didn't had a little hairline fractional, little boxing fraction up. I was in the stage and stick you know, um, I felt a little pop man. It was trash. That was childish with me. I'm too over that. It appears on the D Day mixtape, the Dream Film Mixed Stage. Did you know it's gonna

be one of those ones when you yeah. I remember just coming up with the hook, and what was crazy was after twenty nineteen, my voice was messed up or whatever whatever, and I wanted to I wanted to yell this hook. I started off yelling it's not gonna work it. It wasn't hitting. It wasn't hitting for me. I was more like background I could do. I was doing like some mad little stuff. But I got the little my homie own Kennedy to do that, do the what's name?

He didn't perfect because it's just his world. He's a ragi rock like and it just came together perfect. I remember just recorded in the crib and that's just jumping around. Listen to him like, oh, this is something different right here, like when they cold said, I gotta know that what is that process? Cole probably was the last one to get on it, but he heard it before, so he heard it before and I guess he just felt the moment whatever. Next time he heard it, he was like, perfectly,

you want to get on this all. Yeah, it was hard. It's one of my favorite performance records that I've seen, Like, oh, like, y'all could actually hurt you hurt yourself out there. It was crazy because you guys say beauty that dream real fast and like the song was like less. Yeah, everyone knew and it was probable a little little viral moment on Twitter with its something. It went crazy. It was a good time. Bird DJ Drama you know what his vocals always I'd rather you and Drama getting back into

the studio the caprio three? Is that true? Yeah, I was talking to I'll be like about two. The way I get it, I'll just be talking because it's the wild Wild Wist, So sometimes I'll just say anything the wild wild, you know what I'm saying. But yeah, I think we're gonna do that. But I kind of want to do it, like in the stage of how Light Wayne's to do it just rapping over other people. I've

never really tried that. I did a couple of freestyles and stuff like that, but to the regard of just like, let me get these fifteen beats, let me I love this artist, I love these these beats. I've never really tried that, So I think I want to do it in that world, just just because you did it on flex a couple of years ago. You did it on flex, right, just something like the doctor can't see my p like pterodactyl something. This guy's incredible. No, that was that was

a good time. Funk. I didn't even understand what's going on. He was, he was. I wasn't get it a little real quick. Yeah, you got to, you got to. We might go back one day. I've been thinking about, like I solidly like, uh like retired away from the freestyle because I was glad at Flank Flex because he didn't respond to what I wanted to and it was like a childhood dream to get the bomb and I ain't hit the bomb or none of the hype. So I

was a little upset. But I think I'm like get back into the freestyle world just because it's like another part of the art that just you know, it's another not you on your on your tool. You also feel that because with further story, there's so much personal stuff

you had to get off. I'm a bar fools up, Like I just feel free and like for sure feel good, um exactly, and just from the wear and tear into like the nick nick and picking of that project, like it left me with a whole bunch of like scattered bones that I could like put together and make skeletons.

And I know that was super whatever, but I could make make enough project essentially what I was trying to say, Yeah, I'm in the light of just trying to like get some music out there and not trying to be a rush. Let it come to me, you know what I'm saying as naturally is it weird because I know it's not something like I necessarily control. But yeah, I'm in the space of just like being free to the creativity because I know I'm gonna be in the road. There's a

lot of stuff coming up in my life. So I just so you said you regretted that forever, so you let a lot of people in the studio in the process just kind of weighed you down, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was heavy, a lot of pains, but at the same time it turned out for the best. But never again, so the family know where you were going with them, like did your sister know you was doing a sister and now you know, I don't even know if she heard it sussing them. I don't even know if she

heard that song. It's still like a day by day thing. That's why it's like still like even to like I wonder how I'm going to like react performing some of these songs. You know what I'm saying, because a lot of personal stuff. We're gonna have fun, Like just just just say it's gonna end with stick so you get to the mounttop. We got to get some ship up.

It's gonna be a different Like I'm bringing a couple of pieces to the band and just doing a couple of things they did before, making it just like bigger and showing like the full this expression that could come with this type of project. We've never seen a family expression like what happens that crack sandwich, Like we can't think that everybody knows right you kind of break down that party crack Sandwich because it's such a crazy story

that involved multiple members of your family and yourself. Now that was it was just a simple we're going to lose in the walls from my brother graduation um. After party, everybody let a little drunk or whatever, and something happened to the regard where they went to the restaurom. My sisters, two sisters went to the restaurroom. They got no fight. I kicked out of the club all I know, asking mysel to getting bushed in the face outside the club. But we were the football team. We were all the

guys that my brother graduated with. So it got crazy. Like when we went outside and we uice. We definitely serve some justice outside of the club at night. You guys got arrested too, right, So for during that six to seven hours, you guys in the holding stuff, what was the conversation Like it was late, Like it was yeah, at the same time, my sister, right, I'm youngest here l I'm scared, I got schooled coming back, like I'm about to go to college. You know what I'm saying.

It's like I say, here, I just remember my sister had to scratch on her eyePhone. When I guess somebody hit which is sister, It's like, yeah, but he might be he just it was a lot going on. But at the same time, he got we deserved. But she had a little scratch on her and I just remember her arguing with my others is like, oh, you should have started this, And I mean they was having a little scattering there and they made my brothers and a

couple of the football players. Was like just kind of hype because they go to one of the people that was working at the jail and it was it always gonna be, but it was crazy. It was. But we joke about it like this was birthfast. He said it was a traumatic experience, very traumatic. Yeah, yeah, and it's That's what I'm saying, Like even having to dial back through that, you know what I'm saying, because having those conversations,

if you listen to the record, I was. I was being like a detective sometimes when I was with my family around like holidays or something weird, just be talking about these things. Take my phone out, just recorded. So if you're on the record, you hear my sister actually giving you the detailed accounts and she drunk his health so she's just saying anything like it's my whole family in there. So I was doing stuff like that just again because the actual stories actually telling what happened, you

know what I'm saying. I wasn't like coming to studio and say I'm literally just like, oh, that's crazy, and I'm putting the phone out and just let them talk and they ain't gonna do nothing incriminated. But at the same time, it just literally like help me refresh those stories. And then just like, how do they feel about you putting that big story out there? Did they love it? I don't know. I don't know. At this point, I don't think it's a bad thing because they in supported

what I do and everything. We talked a lot, so I don't think it's a bad thing. But at the same time, I didn't get like, so why did you have to you know what I'm saying. I never got those type of moments, So I think, you know, it's probably good. And the people that know the you're youngest of seven kids, and it's like you're the baby brol but now that's like your big brothers, so like your family.

Like even purchasing property, like to talk about that was the property purchase, Yeah, bro, I mean just trying to make my money work for me essentially. But in the regard of the property I bought, it was my grandmother's old crib and it's just all this land that used to be like afforded to the family when it's holidays and everybody was just all coming. It's just like so much landing. It's in South Georgie and it's like beautiful

fertile land, you know what I'm saying. And they used to what's it called the crop was like turpentine or something that that was like the that that grew off of the land. And it was just a lot of different moments in and being able to like get that piece of land from fact for my family and then just need the provider adding to the legacy, you know what I'm saying, for the people that's coming after me,

for my kids and all that, and onto the legacy. Man, you got your cousin on the album to John to Austin. I don't even know that y'all were related for better days, Like how was dope? How dope was that? Just having him collaborate with you. Did you grow up then going to the studios? No, you know it's crazy. Um, I got a big family, so it's a lot of blended families in the mix of us having our family and he's connected to me through like blended family and stuff

like that. He I didn't even really let him know I did music until I got lit like this is like post Freshman cover, post us doing our first rap radar. That's when I let him know. I'm like, yo, like up because I know you right here record, I'm like I'm coming up or whatever. And you just stayed in contact through that and it's just like love. Remember when the verses happened because he shot in the verses because a lot of people didn't know about exactly. I mean,

she was like, yes, my cousin. I was like, oh, work, but show, and it wasn't know, like nepotism or nothing, which is literally you know what I'm saying. He busts my ass and wanted to let him know, like you know what I'm saying, we from the same DNA bro, Like we got the same games at the same time.

Busy sure my system that. Staying on the topic of family, um, like I think on the second verse, you were talking about how like you just to say change and stuff like that with success, and you ask yourself questions about that. Do you feel like you've changed since you've gotten on but show? But I wouldn't say it in like you know what I'm saying that always in the negatory negatory is that word net right? Not in the negative sense? Um,

I just think I'm mature more. You know what I'm saying, I'm wrong like a's a man and kind of coming into like learning how to like financially handle things and then just handle things on the parts of just like like I said, just coming into your manhood and standing in it. I just had to find certain things about myself and I think it's like a pretty positive outcome, you know what I'm saying. I feel like I stand

on good business. You think it was about we changed success because we know as a young person, you thought football would be that for me, right, football player. Now you're successful artists, like you know, some people get success and it's not they can't handle it. It's not suited for them, like they struggle with it when it comes with it. Seems like you finding your place in music and having success in it, it brought you some comfort.

But sure, um, and then I actually came into it with like the sound like I was comfortable in my own skin, Like I kind of I didn't get signed as like a nineteen and two year old, you know what I'm saying. Trying to really find yourself, you know what I'm saying. I kind of came into it like okay, like these are your options. I gave myself like this is gonna happen and just don't work out, and this and this and this and it's gonna be like a

whole lot of things. This was just, you know what I'm saying, This wasn't my first love, But at the same time, it's like it was made for me, like it was meant to be because I couldn't even run away from it if I could, because the nigger damn tried to know what I'm saying, so nice like being in your early twenties and answeringness, that's a whole different ball game. And I kind of like appreciate being able to like have the mind and not be like jaded

by certain things. And a little small ship kind of affect me that in the same way that it could affect some other type of people that's in these same type positions of power and getting a certain type of blessings, like whether it's financially or just like fame or success or whatever you may call it. It's funny because you talk about now we gotta talk about that. That's the movie.

That's like, I know you must have been really piste off disappointed at first when it wasn't part of the album, right, Yeah, so that's how you intended how we listen to Forever story. It should end that way with that song. It's an autobiography, So people that may not be fully a tuned, like why is that so important to telling that story? Like

what was what was your mind state putting that song together? Essentially, I was trying to tell the story from kind of like then to to now, you know what I'm saying. It was it was a time period I was like, who do I want to tell this story from, like the fromt the beginning, you know what I'm saying, from the where I now am now until where it was

or vice version. It was a couple of It was a couple of ways I'm trying to go about that, but that end and it kind of feels like a last call is type thing, you know what I'm saying, Like the cold in on the sideline story exactly, just those type of moment the origin stories like it gave the whole summary of the album, and that if you didn't even listen the whole album. If you went to that, you can kind of get the gist of the album, you know what I'm saying, what I was trying to tell.

And then it was just like the closing golf of the Never story. Because I like doing projects and like sequels, like how I like to watch movies like Friday, Friday After Next or whatever. Fun you know what I'm saying. One too, I like you like that. Yeah, but I gotta get the fake rap on it. Yeah, President dreaming, Eve sounded like mL doom fakely bro. Yeah, why I

didn't think that? Yeah, why do you go to m C. Yeah, get the epet right show that's what we're probably coding getting from you see, like one good verse and stuff around it. But um, but even cold like cold with the ending and the whole city you wrote that for you come on count sure, but I have a whole vision. I want you to do this, and Co comes at the end like yeah, actually specifically his part, I'm here playing the record and on the record, actually, says Eve said.

Around that time, we was hunting for a record, and I was like, you're sitting right there like, actually go say this. You know what I'm saying, because this is how you explain the story to me. So I just gave him a chance of like, you know what I'm saying, not a lot of people to do that. I feel like, yeah, not a lot of people to do that. I feel like Punch was on add So album, but Punch really

get it in. You know what I'm saying. We're gonna say your father saying what you between the verses, Yeah, like did you write that's a sick ne Bro. I felt like your father was so happy. We can say he came from my nuts brow him pausing myself. Now you ain't gotta Paul got to but he was excited to get off. Yeah, bro, my dad, my father. He literally I didn't tell him one word to say these things he said to me my whole life. You know

what I'm saying. He got that off himself that first. Yeah, he's crazy crazy, He's literally he's literally like just like that up there, and he's been saying those things to me my whole life. And then that story, even the way we put it together and chopped it up, it was just like perfect because it's like you would think he was sitting on that for years. Yeah, what was the vision of Cold. Then how did that? How did that come together? Just literally, I necessarily he didn't have

to rap on this album. You know what I'm saying, Like, I feel like that is literally like escape get Cold now people list doing. I'm cool, Like just just say a few words, you know what I'm saying. Just give me, like your perspective on this whole story. I just told you know what I'm saying, and let me understand, like how you feel. He gave me exactly what I needed. It was one thing that was missing from that song.

It was a part while I was speaking my Doughburger if y'all know that is yeah, I mentioned him because Dolburg was one of the first people like bro, like you crazy, You're a star, keep going. You know what I'm saying. He made me that and I just wanted to have him saying song on one of the parts I said on the song as well. But you know, um, what's your take on what Cold said about like artists come in that it cost every artist that's hungry they

want to be on. But he said, you had a certain look that there's a certain extra level of determination that like you can pick up on you feel like because and also you said it to like yays talk about you could have been with coach k quality control, that was an opportunity. Like you obviously love your situation now, but it's like you felt like, no matter what, I'm

going to figure it out and be successful. So what is the artist to like have that extra determination that was kind of like en stilled to me, kind of like just just having to work ethic, you know what I'm saying. And that probably came from my previous being in sports and all that stuff. But at the same time, it's just something that's kind of injured in you. I love music. I fell in love with it, and ever since I have been able to turn back. Like I'm

gonnaddicted to us. All I think about like every single second of the day. It's like one of the most important things I could do was just like find something to make my craft better and just add to that. So I don't know, I just it's it's such a blessing to be able to create. Yeah, just create, you know what I'm saying. Just find something and put it together and make something, not nothing. So I don't know, I just take it very important. It's not important, but seriously, absolutely,

Is that why you're bringing back the three verses? Man? Yeah, I've been doing We're doing three just we're gonna have at least one song gonna happen my favorite, my favorite though, and I know be that picked it up a little way. You get a little to get a little way into your album, which again is like a little way to my album. And you want him to body it because he's a little way show and he did, and he did, but then just like I'm coming back with a verse,

you have to. It's just crazy. He went crazy. You gotta follow up, right, Mac. I talked to mcman after after, because MacMan handle a lot of He's like, I like how you did that, well, I like how you came back does it's a lot of doesn't verse just like I'm gonna give you eight It's just right, I give you a little like show some love and all that.

But at the same time, like I just had to do that because I've seen him do that to people before, and I just think he would like appreciate somebody actually giving that type of effort, regardless of how great he did. When you said, like, you know, three verses of the new Wave, My bad. I don't make the rules. Why do you think Why do you think but he said, you know, my vague didn't make the rules. Why do you think, like three verses aren't as prominent as that

you were before? I got a whole little theory. I think we even the time period win right now, we've seen so much great rap, We've seen it evolved past levels. Anybody could everything the potency of like lyricism and rapping and really being able to put that ship together. It's kind of like dying off a little bit mm, which is I don't know. It's a it's a giving take because if you think about who the biggest artists in

the game are, they can still bought you up. Yeah, and they actually still lyricists if you actually think about it, but it's just very few and far between that you get that connection between mainstream man lyricism. So it's it's a fine it's a fine line, and it's and it's hard trying to navigate that road or whatever. It's kind of like the road I'm on right now, you know what I'm saying. I'm sucking it up, though I think

I'm doing pretty well. It's definitely a hard road. To navigate for you like to be more like a leader in the space right to be yeah, way, so maybe you'll inspire casts to be like you know what, maybe I should try to put together yeah verse even like you said eight bars ten bars bars to be effective. But what my message is yeah and yeah, I just think it's a it's easier to get away with just like you know what I'm saying, sneaking the song out there.

Everybody loves and it life is he great? It's this person? Right do we just like this moment and want to resondent? I don't want to live in that space. That's like an unsure space. So financial stability, I'm not dooling in that. It's a little vibration lottle bank account. Don't he gonna know? Like with you, you know you're great or you don't even work with it, but I know it don't take a million fans to be a millionaire. I've done that.

But you also ill about you listening to this project, it sounds like you still have that competitive nature in you, like even like just in time to say you tell your favorite rappids for jamatim, but like you still the best. I always call to you. I feel like I did. I don't know, two. I maybe did features some of that upward number or something like that. I don't know, just that you gotta have it. That's like you were

saying what you said. Really it's not hip hop hip like it's kind of like a hip hop purious thing that I try to add into my music. Like I try to check these certain box this and then I'm like, all right, this is some ship. This is the future, this is what I think is the next thing. Just try and ship or whatever. So yeah, I try to keep those hip hop piers things going on and rep for the old you know what I'm saying for because

that ship fined too. Like we had Joey Badass on the show, and you know he's asked him like, who is his only competition besides you know, the Big Three? First person? He said, my dog in a respectful competitive way, right, So like, do you who do you look at as someone that's like competition besides besides the Big Dude. As recently, I've only been looking at them niggers though, Like I fought with everybody. It's cool, but I don't really be

thinking it's that close. I really be looking up to them though, liked for show, and I'm trying to like, you know what I'm saying, not for this, but get my way into that. Like that's why he's just gonna take more music, more output. I'm not really like a internet like, oh I'm one, I got a I'm not really like phones type n I'm really just a calm nigga. You know that's just moving and started type of I just think it comes to me, you know what I'm saying.

I don't really be trying to chase it. Yeah, I don't think it's bad that you build your identity. Like even first, like people said, well he signed a cold it sounds like Kendrick, I knew you would get that a little bit. But like I feel like that's officially died with this album. Like I feel like this album was able for you, like show your substance who you are. Everybody was trying to look at you one level. I

feel like that talk has ended. It's just really the shot nigga ship, just shot nigga always like yeah, we just little nigga niggas aut hot boys, and like with Wayne is the same thing. Maybe if I was taller, Like sounds like yeah, like it's just that thing. But I think at the same time, like it's just different things. Week. Yeah, get to know your story exactly. But I'm from the South. I'm from Eastlanta, Broma, but like the b Club date from the from the West Coast. It's totally different things.

But at the same time, I think if you really set down understood it broke it down like, oh, this is it it And I'm fine with the comparisons because it's like a great person be compared to. But I don't know, it's It's been a lot of a few comparisons my career. I'm not I'm not opposed to it. I don't get mad at or nothing like that and take it. It's like, oh, I try to look at it, the silver line compared to the great, compared to exactly what anything else. Life is good. I mean, you don't

have no reason. Everyone's more jealous of you now, like as opposed to you being jealous of them. Talked about like on money, your friends, uher. Hopefully I'm getting the names right, No, no, no, you um right, yeah, the full circle moments because guy's still kicking, they're still doing their things. But at the same time, was the time, but I was like I wanted to be like you know what I'm saying, the kids with the new Jay's and because we didn't like necessarily have all of that

coming up. Yeah we're speaking up coming up, Like you also had a lyric on I think the system of me. I didn't realize you were poor. Yeah that's a funny thing to realize when you're coming up and like, oh ship, we broke it in. But that was like a realization in my life. And I don't even know when that came. I to remember that feeling of being in some situation just like oh, like y'all got money like that, that wasn't the case for me. So that's what you see.

It's a lot of full circle bombers for you, like the fact that like you're playing football, you went to school and the scholarship, you know, I got kicked out of school. Football dreams deflated. Now you're on the cover of your doing songs and MADO soundtrack, right, yeah, bro um full circle because I still be on the mad at Heavy. I'm still like a football like theme, you

know what I'm saying. Um, And then like there's a lot of full circle moments on it, like James Blake being on the album, like I don't know if you know, but it's like one of my favorite artists I've ever like work whatever, and even like I said, you're seen and in a little Wayne and like savage, like you

know what I'm saying, All those guys are. There was just a bunch of moments on the project that I was super proud of and just wanted to like stand on top of the mountain and yell about it just because I think the next thing you gotta do is perform at Hampton University, Like, right, that would be fines here. I'm not sure if they I'm not sure if they day down to do that. I kind of want to. I kind of want to talk to him and be

like yo, like no hard feelings type ship. Right, Yeah, but you gotta squash that beef be still going really, I mean, I mean, that's that's a real beef for institutions. Really, but you know, crazy about the whole to imagine dragons like the song you did with them. Yeah, I'm sure it's cool. You know, you have a great area. You don't just stay in there pop box, but like to do that record that for come as big as it was. I'm sure you probably didn't see it was gonna become that.

You know it was. I know, white money, but you need these things and target all the time. You play funny, touch this, touch this, then you know this is one of those ones that was gonna like explode. I love him first off, like Little Dragon, your favorite group, Little Dragon, my favorite group. A time you have a feature coming with them, we can't tell you about for sure. These are my people, um, but imagine, but imagine Dragons, just

like off Top, I just knew who they were. Like I said, you're hearing fucking target, targeting and elevator everybody. So I heard the song and I was with Bro. I told his story before, but I was with Mac Miller met this man crib we're working on music, met him Portugal to man working on the song. It's crazy as hell, and I'm like, oh, she didn't work with these knicks. Um. I started the verse, Mac like cool, I don't know about if you start a verst like that.

Next hour or so, I feel like Zeke or somebody sent me their own record, and Mac was like, Bro, you should start this song. How usually do that verse? And that was exactly and that was the fut of that I'm saying that ship. So it kind of sucked me up. But at the same time, when I finished the verse, I was like, oh, no, this is crazy, right because like this is one of the this is

gonna be a moment. I knew it just because of the tempo, the past, the vibration, and I felt around it what I'm saying, but as artist, because like look back, we're still on the earth when it happened. It's around sound started. What if you believe in a certain song they talk about that like you have to like ride with that, like you gotta take longer than you think. But if you if you were tapped in, this is

going to deliver what you want. But bill and streams is kind of crazy, little comfort billion streams, I have a bill or scrape Billy, Like it's craziness. Even your main a better day. You said you made a million off merch pay the bills first and then invest in the guest verse we're saving up for no, no, no, I was saying, like I invest the money they pay me, invest against versus. Ok, you go, there, you go, But let's talk about that money record like and what's stepicaus

to what that was? And you have to make a little video. I pried with mamator no, but that like, it's not like when you talk about money, people can say, well, that's like superficial that surface, but that's the extra level to what I think you're trying to express that. Yeah, I wish you're trying to break down the layers to it, um and just give an insight on how Like I feel like the line was ironic that being broke is an expensive lifestyle. I said. Somebody asked me, like, what

does that mean? I'm like, damn, you must have never been broke. It's literally like being broke is very fucking it spensive because if you don't have money and then everything is expensive. It's literally black and white, um. And just trying to just break down the my perspective in the position money stood in my life, it stood at in my life and just trying to see my way through that or whatever. And it's all different perspective of how people see money. Some people see it's like, uh,

the end all be all. Some people see it as a tool, you know what I'm saying, But I don't know. Just seeing how my parents dealt with like not having the motion, just seeing like the deficit between the community and just and even seeing my friends with wealth and being a part you know what I'm saying, being a part of that class that has a little bit more like it's just a different thing and you gotta learn through you know what I'm saying. Nobody could actually really

teach you unless you come from it. So even me, like being blessed in certain situations, just it's kind of hard for me like decipher if I'm making the right decision and all that that ship black, Yeah, trying to figure it out, bro Like wanted economic empowerment exactly, equity all of that ship Like ownership is really like one thing, like I'm going after just trying to own everything I possibly can in my name more to like people that

I care about. On that stage. January twenty two, Tour Kick Sauce, Seattle, First stop, Yeah, first stop, man, Then we're getting on the list the spot. She was the one lyric that you did say, you said, I think it's something third verse of I forget which song was, but he was coming off a tour with somebody and you just bleep it out. But what was that about I was you don't it ain't even have it was it was oh that guy, Yeah, okay, I just leave

it out. Okay, go bleep that out too. Did the age? Well, no, it did? Was you know what though I don't know why I did that? You did? I did a whole ahead of everything. I wasn't even I don't have no issues or anything like that, but just I just didn't feel it just didn't feel right. Yeah, like into you know, to touch such a situation. So we'll stay awfu At the same time, I certainly awesome that to that? All right? How do you feel like I got your You said

the top five. I think you said, no, not beat that top five, but you got top five. Man, he had a great album, great crazy features. I think the one with you and Mike domes Home remixes extremely underrated. Why do you rappers care about this? Guy's list? Started? Um something, You started something. But it's just that even with some situations like I ain't get it, I ain't get my Grammy, no, no this year it's fine, or whatever, but when people speak, But when people speak me, that's

all that matters. Bro. When when when the good speak, you got listening up? So it's a good night, my dog. Keep keeping going, bro keep But I'm gonna gonna say, you gotta put some women on your list. I'm gonna say that's that right there. And look at the time. Is this a lot of a lot of rough roughly elbows on who? Do you appreciate the landscape out here? Do you think it's like, you know, um some working

out here who is fired right now? Women in see I like the on the REDDA line that you had on that was that was really real slick, real slick. Lola Brook is hard hard, and you know like I feel like all the women are like really doing anything right energy Ricky Recast, it's a lot of it feels sure it was dominent person. Yeah it was. It's always like there's like a male driaming industry. But I feel like we buries being broke down a little bit and

everybody's like really just kicking flavor. I want to see like the next like Superstar, the next stars that bread through the door. I kind of feel like we have buddy superstars right now. What do you think it takes that stup? Because I feel like to the level that's you right, like your buddy Superstar to get to that superstar thing, Like what do you think of some of those steps to like it's really going to take that person to that like a scandal that it's taking do.

It's a harder orld to not do that. It's a harder old yeah, yeah, pusha for that's literally the easiest way to just be crazy online or whatever. Oh no,

I don't know. I'm just stay on the right, just like good music, just being a good nigger, like you know what I'm saying, just putting on for like the things I care about that the struggles that that represent me, you know what I'm saying, that represent what what where I come from, and just show you like a true per spative of We don't keep streaming after the story. See you on that tour. Yeah, y'all push it on, push up please, but pull up on you man. Yes.

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