Rap Radar: Jeezy

Yeah, wrapping up podcast, Elliot, will sis just be that beat out?

What's up?

Baby?

Oh you're back? Huh, I'm back at the back of the intro.

Baby, I'm back, man, I'm yeah. I had to pay that ransom for free you yo, man, I apologize to you, be that. I apologize to our producer Laura. I apologize to the super listeners out there. I'm back, man, be that I had to send me down my little intervention. Man, I'm a little more focused right now. Man, my body is strong nowt thanks to beat Out. Thank you be life after rolland shouldn't be so love?

Is it wrong for me fifty two to be a rolling loud beat out? Is it wrong for me to run down these artists? Is nothing wrong with that?

Man? Get your role on.

You know the ageism in hip hop? Man, God damn it, man, God damn. I'm too old for rap. I'm older than rap. Fifty a birthday. I'm older than rap.

Man.

Man, it's all good. No, you're back, So that's what's coming back.

That's all it cows, man. But you know, we got a lot of releasebout that. I was curious know what you thought about the new NAS man, Nas and Hippoy. I know Magic you has said was like one of your favorite side of the whole Hip Boy Nas collaboration. I wanted to get your thoughts on Magic Too.

Yeah, you know what I said, Magic the O G version is the best NAS album in the last twenty years. I'm standing by that.

Oh wow, that's a strong statement.

I think after God's Son, Yeah, definitely that's the best project. But wow, as far as Magic Too, it's just I don't think it's It's not as strong as the first one. It's not as not bad, but I also think that maybe NAS should stop with the sequels. I think it's too much pressure, you know what I mean. It's like people are having an expectation of the first Magic and I feel like if you don't deliver that, it kind of falls short. But overall, I think it's a decent project.

What do you think?

Yeah, I think same thing. I don't think it's as good as the original, But there's some songs that would look like a lot like I like the pistols on your album cover. I like that even when we're fit, even though if he's not really rapping rapping. I like that Fifty comes in and pops his ship. Uh, there's a couple that like a lot.

Yeah, I like how Fifty doesn't kind of overstay as welcome. I feel like it's mixed on that verse, but he just does his thing in and out. You know, I'm not mad at.

That, but I like that. But I love the fact that, like it's just impressing there with now's a hip boy doing though. I said, they're like the best group of hip hop. You know, it's not even groups anymore, but it's like the damn near a group now. All the projects they put together, it's like it's amazing.

Yeah, absolutely, but it's another solid effort from hip boy and so I'm not mad at it too. And then we had Tramp Scott dropped a new project to Utopia Topia.

That's a lot to digest on that record going on. It's a lot going on that I got some favorites out there though, too, But I don't love it as much as everybody else's I don't think. But like, at least the one that saw when it dropped, the overall Twitter was in a frenzy and you know, it's the album of the year.

I wouldn't say that.

Yeah, I'm not. I'm not there with that yet.

You know, we disagree.

I'm still there with I'm team Gunner right now, still in terms of album.

But Kevin, Mike gonna come for you, but he's been coming with me all times, all times. I gotta find I gotta find it. Does he will rip that? I put that up the ard times do that. That's classic now.

I think killing mice in the conversation. Still also, Travis might make my top ten of the year, but I don't think it's definitely. I don't think it's top five right now.

But you know, I get spins already. But I think if it makes in my opinion so far, if it makes a top ten list, it just feels like it's by default because of the lack of albums. But it feels it doesn't feel as cohesive as actual World. Yeah, it just feels like a collection of songs, if that makes sense. Yeah.

I see a lot of people compare it to like, you know, eas this when you know, yeah went real experimental. So it's almost like yez this sonically with like uh twisted fantasy guest list of people right because it's like it's endless with the hidden features.

Man, it's crazy. It's like a puzzle.

And speaking of features, I think the person's on the feature run as our girl Cardy B.

Man, who she's killing it? Her is savage.

Man.

It just I ain't gonna put out album because only they do is murder everybody else's ship, estaing Cardy B or killing they killed out of your Cardi's killing it man.

They gotta respect Cardi.

Man, and they'll be drawing those on those stage man with that mic, Man, what is so informed with that? You're so informed the.

Way she did that.

I was like, Yo, I don't know what's up with throwing things on the stage.

Man.

These days, the fans gotta stop that. Man, They gotta stop that.

Man.

You act like you got some sense out of here? Man, what is the artists gonna pop it in your head.

Back like this?

In the nineties man, artist and yo, they showed the one you remember, the one when fifty jumped in the crowd, which one not not the bag of smurf, but he caught the chair.

I'll send it to you one way. He's in some clubs early on and he's doing what a gangster and Uh, they drew something at him. He jumps out. He has got the white beater on. He jumps out. Everybody's following him. They beat up whoever does? I think fifty took somebody took the kid's shirt, put the shirt on, jump back on stage and started performing of the song.

That sounds pretty superhero the day.

You you'll getting loved up out of investing with these artists.

Man, word up.

We speaking of tough guys.

Man.

But this tough guy, you know, he's he's grown into a very like a stute, you know, smart businessman.

I'm talking about I got a snow man. Man, your jeezy y minus the bullshit, life is great.

Yo.

What's the life You said about what he's making for the rappers back in the day, nigga, Yo, there's no rapper that hates rappers more than jez Man. He hates rappers. He wasn't embraced in the beginning. Man, there's no way that's nobody had a different style. Man, it don't gonna be Jodie Brees.

It was.

It was geez Man.

That's a fact that it stills jesz Man. You know, it's crazy twenty years almost and you know he's still making moves and he got this new book right now that uh. I think by the time this drops, this will be out Adversity for sale. And it's a good it's a page turner. It's a really good book.

Man.

I got benjamindals Ingram helped him out with a little bit. It's a great read.

Man.

I read you both read it like the PDFs on the plane right in Flos, but we're the early copies of it.

Yeah, ready in a day, it was. It was a page turn I couldn't really put it down. It was like, Okay, this is interesting and you know, just getting his perspective on life. And it's, like I said, it's like a self help book slash memoir. So I think people could definitely benefit from it.

Yeah.

Still has such a great interview now, man, I think that's funny because he for many years he didn't talk and he told me obviously was the statute of limitations?

Was the fact that right?

But I remember I sat with him at twenty eleven with TM one oh three. We did this interview in a movie theater and I was like, wow, Jesus really can talk, like who knew? And now like you watch all his interviews, it's like he's very captivating, you know, speaker, and like he's got so many incredible stories, Like I mean, he's lived a life that's insane. You know how many you know, the obstacles he overcame, and you know he details it all in his book.

Man.

So it's really it's really dope and it's really great to talk to him.

And the thing was surprised me the most. I'm like, Damn, Jesus was really getting a lot of money back in these days. But I'm glad he made the transition into rap because you know, there was only two outcomes that for imprisoning he choked me, right one.

He definitely chose the right one. It was great talking with him too, right, we could have did another.

Hour, so absolutely, but he chose the right podcast to speak to, man.

So let's get into.

You go, Let's get into a mad special conversation with the one to know.

The Jerzy on the Rap Raid All Podcasts. Yeah, you know it's the Rap Raid All podcast. My name is beat I Elliott Wilson Elliott. It's sunny out here, but it's a heavy chance of snow right now. Yes, serious, sir, No, Man, Jesu, what's up brother? How you feeling the grass? He's an author? Beat out, Yes, sir, a lot of right there, A long time coming back.

Yeah, let's say what made you finally finally do it? You tease it our snowfall to you said, somebody could I could have.

A book something I think? I mean, you know, I've been writing, you know, music for so long. It's just these are extended stories. So it was the next thing coming anyway, because it was like, I had to figure out a way to continue to tell my story, but do it from a perspective of how can I spread

Staying office, staying in office overthugging that was coming from, you know, saying what I had put in the back of my mind.

It was like, Okay, I'm not gonna deal with it. But I didn't realize that, you know, this stuff comes back up.

So just writing.

It it just helped me understand like, Okay, yeah, this did happen, you went through it.

You can't really fault nobody.

You got to just deal with what you can't deal with and just forgive what you can and just keep it moving, you know, just don't forget though.

You know, when did you begin the writing process, I mean book or the book over the Pandemic?

Yeah, because it was.

Like it was crazy because and we were just talking about podcasting. I don't know what made me go on my Instagram live and it was crazy because I remember just sitting in the house and I was staying there. I was staying at my house in LA at the time, so I was here instead of the East Coast, and it was like I was just secluded.

Right And then like my phone would ring.

It'd be like Kevin Hart DJ Cally but they calling on FaceTime and they, oh, you know, what's up? And I'm just like damn. It made me feel like, you know, I was connected. So then I started doing calls. What I would call people on FaceTime and just having a conversation when we drink some wine, smoke a cigar because you know, you couldn't go see anybody. But that was the only, you know, type of interaction I had. I'm just sitting there. I was like, I got a lot

And I just kind of took a liking to it because.

I was learning while I was teaching, right, And then now I'm like, damn, you know, this is going kind of cool. It wasn't nothing like serious, but it's something that I would do. I'm like, I need to do something real? What can I do right now? And that's when I kind of just put all my energy on and it's probably be a great time to start writing this book.

I know you're super proud of the title Adversity for Sale? What does that signify to you? The title?

Because I feel like that's what a true entrepreneur, a true hustler. He knows it's going to be more pitfalls than it is trophies all day, right, And I just feel like I've always learn from hearing about how somebody else lost.

Right.

If I'm going to interview being there, I want to know or if I'm going to have a conversation, I don't want to know how you got it. I want to know how you kept it, what happened in between that you what what kind of adversity that you had?

Was it? Family?

Was that your kids having this type of money, and you don't want to, you know, give your kids too much because you know how that goes when you when you're overdue and you know, your kids get on drugs and like, what is it that you went through?

Right?

And then I can start to understand when I get to that space, things that I need to be sharp about, right or be proactive about. And for me, that's what it meant to ask somebody how they made it, because I don't want to know your success.

I want to know your losses.

That's why adversity for sales, so because that's the that's the that's them, the gyms.

You know what I'm saying.

Yeah, yeah, And I think I always forgotten about how like you your whole career, Like even with the great success, it's always was a cloud that could go another way. There was always drama surrounding you as you became a bigger and bigger rap star.

Yeah, I mean, it was always a cloud.

You know, it's probably just moved a couple of years ago, you know what I'm saying, not saying that, you know, I brought it with me myself, but I was loyal and that's I'm still loyal and that's that's probably one of my biggest defaults, right because I just didn't know how to separate real life from what I was trying

But I'm like, damn, he had.

A shot, he got a chance, you know what I'm saying, Like he was so close, and you know, and and I'm hoping. And the book ain't just for people that are into you know, our culture or just the music.

It's life.

It's like how this applies to you? What can you get out of it? And the thing is, you know, I learned a lot.

Through books, you know what I'm saying. And I was ashamed to read books, you feel what I'm saying. So it wasn't like the coolest thing to do.

So I'm opening up making it kind of cool because you know, I would sneak away and read books like somebody gave me think and grow rich.

And I fell into that book here.

First, I couldn't believe there was a wealth of Like I felt like I just hit a gold mine because it was so much knowledge. And then from there I started getting other books to start to understand it. I'm like, ma, this is really helping me with my life because there's nobody I can call.

And go, hey, I'm trying to do this, what should I do?

All the information is there, right, so I just take bits and pieces of it, and now when I'm asking people questions, I at least know what I'm talking about, right.

Because you broke the book up in three parts and it feels almost like a self help book slash memoir.

Yes, that's what it is, a self help memoir. And I don't think a lot of people realize. You know, we all entrepreneurs, you know what I'm saying. This is coming from, you know, things that we love, and we're making jobs and creating companies and avenues for people to actually have jobs and eat off of what we're thinking every day. So there's no right way to do it.

They had to go through all the trials.

And the trills, and you know, when you think about the murder inks and all that, it's just like you could be a company and still the fads can come in.

So it's like it's so much there.

But you got to know, if you sit down and talk to ear, we're gonna tell you something that you want to hear if you're trying to figure this.

Out right, Yeah, did you have to run any of these stories about your family in the book because.

You revealed a lot jeezy?

Yeah, I think this is this is what I This is what I and I do feel at some point there's going to be some pushback from that, but I kind of feel like in my heart, everybody has their own own story about how things worked out, and people might not agree with my perspective, but it's my perspective. It's my life, right, and I'm not trying to throw anybody under the bus. These are the things that just

Vulnerability is power.

Like when you're expressing and you sharing yourself, it brings people closer to you personally and in what we do. Because a lot of people felt like they didn't even know me. You know what I'm saying. You just come out and see me in the club or whatever.

It's like I might jap you up and he's like, okay, cool, you know what I mean, But I don't even know what they like to eat, drink water? Like what does he do? You know what I mean? So it's like that.

But when I started like having a conversation with people, because you know, i'd be like, you know, people be like you all right, I'm like, yeah, I'm good, because that's what.

You're supposed to say. Yeah.

But then it got to the point where I was saying, be like, actually, man, you know, I'm really trying to figure this out and telling somebody and they go, oh, well, you just should talk to such and sulf I put you guys on the group, text, email, whatever. And I started to understand that, like you have to be not

Causing you to be a certain way.

Right, and now you fucking up your relationships because people feel like they don't they don't know you. You know what I mean, They can't get close to you, right, you know what I'm saying. So now it was like, who wants to help somebody don't know?

You felt like a family member reading the book because you brought us back to Hawkinsville.

Yes, introduce to your grandmother love and all your crazy cousins.

Yes, yeah, I already know those.

I already know. But little sisters said, why are you telling everything? I said? What you beats my life.

I don't know what else I'm gonna talk about it. I don't understand. This is how I saw it, right.

I thought it was funny when you was talking about how your cousin you got into trouble and he took the dog ship.

Yeah, and threw it on me and beat me up. Yeah, because that was my you know what's crazy? And that was my first lesson about loyty. You know what I'm saying, because what happened and I talk about in the book, is this my older cousin. He was getting money, loved and respected him. He's actually the one that taught me how to love music because he had turntables. He was always mixing, scratching and I used to watch him and

Are you and that cousin in a better space nowadays? Nah? I mean we know what.

We haven't seen each other in a long time, you know. And the thing you got to understand about me, man, this is all coming from a place of I had to forgive myself for a lot of the things I want to do, So I don't got no ill will like life is so amazing for me right now. I don't even I ain't you can not like me. I wouldn't even care, you know what I'm saying. They ain't even I don't even choose to accept that type of energy, right.

All I just know he just beat my ass.

He apologized, and I was just so we clear now it wasn't like I was thirteen in that, because you know that right that'd been a problem. I was like seven eight, Just so we clear, he was about about thirty. I want to put that out there.

But on the music front, I like how you also you very clear, like you know, we the generation now where people think, oh the it's gonna get on and make a big record and be in a mixed You speak a lot about you know, not being good yet as a rapper and improving and going through the swarm process to kind of develop your sound, your voice.

You had a different type of style.

And always tell people a lot of times to hip hop, they think it's gonna be some guy and ends up being another one. Like I feel like they thought it was gonna be Jodie Breed. Yeah yeah, yeah, it was young Jeezy. Yeah yeah, you know what I'm saying. So can you speak to that a little bit? But I think what I think is so so determined? Why are we so determined to Okay?

Well this this was separated, Like I don't know why they were doing music, but I was doing music, Beau. I didn't want go to prison, and that was like knocking in my doorstep. And I definitely didn't want to get caught up in what was happening with my homiecause I was losing homies left and right. It was getting killed. The fears were picking people up. So for me, it was like, now we'll never and put everything you got into this. And it wasn't like I was the best.

It wasn't just something you listened to.

And that was a lot that I learned from pop because when Park was making music, the difference between everything that was on Death Row was I felt him. I loved Snoop. You know, Doggie Style is one of the best albums ever. But you listen to mcavelly all eyes on Me like Me against the World, like it's something. It's rebellious music. It's like you're not gonna hold me down, You're not gonna stop me. Learn Yeah, And that was like the draw for me because it was like, I'm

And that's how serious I was.

I just wanted to be heard and that was and and to me, like that's that was the fulfillment because I knew I wasn't a rapper, like I wasn't rapping rhymes, but I just knew how much I understood music and how much music helped me live, and how much I learned from music because when people just listened to it and bob their head, like I heard the message, I heard the sermon. You know what I'm saying I winded back and what he say, Okay, how does that apply to me?

Right?

Even when I started hustling, it was like, you know, master P and Baby didn't know it, but shit, they was weren't helping.

Me work it out.

I was taking what they were saying and applying it to what I was doing, right, And that's how I knew how far to visualize that I can go because where I was coming from, you know, the cap was so so low right the ceiling, But listening to those guys, it was like the sky was the limit because the things that they were talking about. I was like, yo, I want that. I can get that. You know, I had two three rolexes back then. I'm seventeen eighteen, I

In the book you said the first songs you wrote, thousands of them were trash, right, tell me his point, like, how did you get better as a songwriter?

I got desperate because I was spending all my money right because I already was trying to be a CEO.

That didn't work.

Some of my artists went to prison, some of the artists went back to the hood. It was just a mess, and I was just stuck with the studio, so I had nothing but time to like just try to keep figuring out how to do what I'm trying to do. And it wasn't until again that transparency came that I found myself because I was just like, why am I trying to be somebody that I'm not, you know what

Don't we just talk about that?

And I got to give it up to Coach Keke because we like around that time, Coach was like, bro, like, you really out here doing this shit, you might want to start talking about it and I was like, yeah, you're right, but I was scared because I felt like it was dry snitching. And then also I felt like I was putting myself in a line of fire. So that's why I was pressing so hard because I knew that I only had, you know, a certain amount of time or a certain window for.

This to be successful. For it and imploded on me.

You know what I'm saying, because now I'm telling people what I'm really doing.

You have a great story about t. I tell you.

Can't be doing both things at a certain point. Yeah, really to see that message at that time.

Yeah, yeah, te I put up to the studio, and you got to understand, like Tip was like so big at the time, like you know he was doing you had the Beanie Man record and you know it just Atlanta was all about Tip, right, and I was getting my foot in the game. And you know, when he would come around, you know, I would kind of just kind of watch how he would do things because he was already an artist. I was trying to be artist, right, And I remember I told him come through the studio.

Walked outside in the bathroom.

He's just like, Bro, you said you're gonna make it, but you can't do both right, And what you were saying about me being kind of resistant to that in my mind, you know, because I'm still a street guy.

I'm thinking he trying to trick me.

So he can make the play and you competition, right, And one time I realized that wouldn't to be.

That wasn't the truth I thought about it.

I was having a bunch of nightmares at the time, like real serious nightmares, Like I was really stressing, like I was drinking, I was smoking, I was like sixty pounds overweight. I was just like I was depressed and didn't know it. And I had this flip phone like the next tail turp, and I just remember waking up one day just full of sweat, and I was just like, man, I got I gotta do something, and I went cold turkey.

So I threw the phone away.

So by me throwing the phone away, I couldn't contact the people who owed me money. So I basically left my money in the streets that people owed me and they still owe me to this day.

You know what I'm saying. You know I forgot I still got some letends somewhere. I know what the hell's going on.

And I left the money in the streets because that was the only because I felt like if I got it, I would continue to do what I do, right, So I went cold turkey. And it was the hardest decision I ever made in my life, man, because I'm gonna be honest, like I was so scared. Like when when I say scared, Like because I'm taking care of my mom and my sister, I'm putt my sisters to school, I'm taking care of my family, I'm taking care of my bills. I got a whole cruel people that depend

And that's what happened.

Around the recession, I like I started to learn more about what was going on in the world. You're talking about a person who didn't know what day it was. I'm not saying dead of the week. I'm saying dead a month. I could be walking around. I wouldn't even know because I was just living like I didn't care, Like I as long as I get up, I gotta do what I gotta do. I didn't keep up with anything that was going on in the world. I didn't

Okay?

So you you got that, But if you don't make it right and you continue to do what you're gonna do, what's the chances of that, that's like ninety nine point nine percent. Like I'm not gonna be able to beat that system, right, So now I got to lean over this. And you're going over here with no skill set. You don't know how to make records, you don't you know.

What I mean?

You ain't got no producers, you know. I mean I had a few people that was around, but God willing, like I just looked up on like the Justice League and Don Cannon, Charlie Red and all these people. They just came at one time and it was just like I had everything I needed and now it was time for me to go to work.

The guy had made that dram left right record about that.

That was he was on fire. Yeah, so he was on fire. I can't I can't care he was. He was the guy.

It's funny because in the book you overemphasized you said street money is short money, no matter how much you're bringing in, right, So I took that away. I was like, Okay, you really went cold turkey and yeah, invest in your craft.

Yeah, but that was gonna say.

But something I also found that was noteworthy is like how much you spent investing in that spent? I spent millions, bro, Like how much like before your debut, how did you think that you invested? Spent about about three and a half four million. But look at but but look at it, but can you speak to you know what I'm saying. But it was like the best for a million dollars,

Well this is the thing. And again.

I didn't know that I was investing in myself. I just know that I didn't want to go get what people around me thought was the way because I can't scale that. Like I would hear my cousins them go get like beauty salons and barbershops and things like that. But I'm like, that's not gonna change my life. So what can I do to change my life? I got one shot. I understand music. You know what I'm saying. I know how to hear it and know what it is,

So I had nothing that was mine.

And my goal was how do I legitimize myself and be able to do these things for myself?

Right? And that's what I lean more towards.

But what I will say about street money being short money, it doesn't go far. It doesn't go past the clubs. It doesn't go past the strippers, you know what I'm saying. It doesn't go past the dealerships, it doesn't go past you know, the credit bureau. Don't give a damn about how much money you got under your mattress, you know what I'm saying. And then it's hard to hide it. It's hard to trust people with it. It's hard to

There's nothing there.

And her husband at the time. I put it in there for like three years. Her husband at the time figured out a way to get into safe. I don't know how to hear you figured it out. So when I go up there, you know, a couple of years later, when I fall to some hard times to go get the bread.

You know it's there. I know it's there. It's not there, it's not there.

And and I know my sister would never like this is my heart. She would never do nothing. So therefore I knew it had to be him. And I called her. I was like, wall, yeah, I'm about to park it right now. I'm about to put him apart. And she said, she said, I love you, bro. I don't want this guy to mess up your life because if you do that, you already know what comes with that. And I said, what are we gonna do? And the reallyship she ever said, is I call you back. When she called me back,

You know what I'm saying.

She's making a move to say, we just gonna disassociate ourselves with So that put me back in the street. But what I mean by that is ain't no insurance on that money.

You know what I'm saying.

If it had been an the count or something, I could have figured something out. But now it's gone, you know what I'm saying.

And what do you do? Now?

You got to go back out here in the streets because the rap money ain't coming in.

And you got to figure it out.

And I would tell anybody if're getting street money, it's cool, but just make sure you got some type of plan right, and put a real timeline on that plan, not a dollar amount of timeline, because you know, if you're staying something too long, something's bound to happen, right and God willing, Like I don't know how I was able to avoid a lot of things. And that's why I really knew I had a purpose because I used to pray all the time, be like why then I get caught up here?

Why didn't this happen? Why didn't that happen?

And I'm just like, hold up, I'm supposed to be here to do this, because now you're wondering why you're successful in music, right, you know you wasn't rapping before, you know what I'm saying, But now you got something to say and you send back and you're going, damn, I gotta take this. I gotta take this serious, like

And now I'm like, hold.

Up, like I can lead us out of here, why would I turn around and take us back into what we're coming out of. Let's let's figure out a way to get out of here. And that's when the message started to change, and that's when the movement started to change. And a lot of people just wasn't with that because they was comfortable with where we was.

Going because that suited them.

But it didn't suit me because I knew that I had a bigger vision, right, and the vision wasn't not to be in the penitentiary or get caught up and some ship that you know, I couldn't get out of, and that was what I was trying to do.

One of the big visions was you and this guy DJ Drama revolutionizing the mixtape game, an investment like beat I was saying, like, you know, you're giving this tape these tapes out for free, yes, and that impact on the world hundreds of thousands, that's unprecedented.

Right streets is watching. I did two hundred thousand and trampade. I pressed up five hundred thousand CDs and I gave them out for free everywhere I went. But I remember tricked that in and Jazzy fabying like, why would you ever do that? And I'm just like man because like and by and in that point, I just wanted to be heard, right, So I was willing to take that risk of giving it away because the money that was to be made wasn't on the front end, it was on the back end.

I just need the people to hear my music.

And then, by the way, to hit me with DJ Drama because at the time he was the biggest thing movie.

You know what I'm saying. You know, I had to kind of bait him in. He was a little he was.

Fron he said it wasn't but he was frightened.

Let me tell you ye, he's run. He's different.

Got But even now to this day, like when dramas Uh does this thing with Todd the Creator and he wins a Grammy, do you do you still feel connected to that the gates and grills, and I.

Don't know about that. I ain't get no grammy man, I said.

You know, when I saw that ship, I was like, you know, and to be honest, like, I'm really proud of drummer Man because I know where he came from.

I know what we've been through.

But like he's making some different types of strides, like you know, Grabby off of mixed tape. He got a successful label. I mean, it just says a lot about him, you know what I mean. But and shout out to Tyler too, because I mean, I'm like, damn, I did millions of exta grills. I ain't never get no grammy, So I got to figure out one out.

But like you said earlier, you know your cousin was a DJ and you tried to handle DJ.

Yes, why did like pursue that I love music? You know, I was.

I hustled up because I used to go and my cousin lived in Decatur in Atlanta on the East Side, and uh, you know, they was getting real money, so they brought their mom a big mansion. You know, that was like the biggest house in the family. So we all would go to their house on the weekends. Sometimes he would just be in there going crazy on the turntable. This is what I learned about AMG, DJ Quick Planet Rock.

And I just loved it.

And I hustled up some money to go get my own set, and my grandmother let me put it on the dresser in the in the in the room me and my cousin was on So I had my two turntable cases, my turntables in there and my mix in the middle. Then I had like this like raggedy stereo speaker that I had bought from radio Shack and then and what I would do was I was so into

And that was my thing.

And I was just like I would get up sometime before school mix and then for a while, they would like throw parties in the hood and I would be the DJ. Wow you yeah cool video that DJ. Yeah, no bullshit. I'll get on somebody's front pords. He'll plug them like little speakers up and I'll sit there and I'll DJ. And it was like that was like my thing. Bro, I did that, and I wasn't getting no money, you know what I'm saying. But I was just like I loved it.

But you didn't want to pursue it further, like as a.

Well, I just I'm gonna be honest, Like the DJ part, like I love for music, but the DJ part was, you know, and no disrespect the DJs.

I didn't.

I just didn't see no future in the money of that, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, especially then it wasn't no DJ dramas, DJ kells and none of that you know what I'm saying.

It was just DJ's.

There were DJ and in the local club and they probably get a couple of hundred dollars. And to me, like that just wasn't what I was trying to, you know, trying to do. I saw the bigger picture. I saw what like what Baby then was doing and what jay Z and them was doing.

That's what fascinated me. Can you still DJ? Yeah? Yeah, you doing parties?

I mean, listen to the money right, the money right forty birthday. But the crazy thing is like you see what like Shack and Snoop is doing, you know what I'm saying. And that's all because of their love for music. You know, Shack ain't got a DJ, Snoop and got a DJ, but they love it. You know, you're gonna hear a Snoop Dogg. Shit, you're gonna hear he's a music connoisseur. You're gonna hear what he loves.

They said, Shack be doing it, he be doing by he go in the room DJ and yeah was the show going on?

Yeah, No, Shack is Shack is crazy.

Yeah, and he's like you know he's big in that that ed M stuff and It's just like, because he called me when they was in LA It's like, come to one of my parties, and I went, and I was just like, damn, you know what I mean. But at the same time, it's just like, you just know he loves music, but I don't know, like I feel like I can throw a couple gangster parties.

So if you need me, you know what I'm saying, let me know, letting me know that's what's uping.

You know, you mentioned some of the guys early, like Cash Money and Trick Daddy and UGK and all those guys. How meaningful was it to have those people on your debut album?

A lot? I mean shout out to Bun.

He was probably one of the first features I had, and I got hooked up through the streets from my guy west Side Blue, the New d Money, the New Bun. I was like always big fans of Bun and Pimp. And that's why I learned that from my cousin because he came through. He had this rental car and you know, and he was playing front back inside the side. It was that and that's how I kind of got into UGK, just listening to what they was doing and like the whole cash Money era.

You know, it was just.

I don't know what it was with what they was doing, but it just intrigued me. Right, it was so fascinating, you know what I mean to see and that's what made me just have a love for it. So like when I did, like who do I get on the first day?

One man.

Trick Daddy right on there and then jay Z right, yeah, that was big.

Why you had the best jay Z collapse? I know.

Because he had to come with it. You know, if I was a Brooklyn guy, I would have been from Marsie too.

I'm just put it out there crazy to seeing it all go crazy crazy? Yeah, yeah, that's my guy. I think I got him on see it All.

I'm just gonna keep it at start.

Ship you how I got him seeing it all?

I think I got him ship I rememther you had that lyrics said I got more records with JA.

Yeah, yeah, I think I got him. He was either seeing it all I got him all or realistic want to do I got one.

Realist guests my that's very undertrad.

Yeah yeah, but I was the BT Awards right open the show, open the show, that's seen it all no, it was no wheels and guests.

I thought, no, we didn't see it all in Atlanta.

He came and then the thing was like, you know, I was listening to Jade, and when I was like I was listening to Ain't No Nigga and all that ship, I was like bagging up and getting money. So it was so far fetched to think that you would be in a position to even do records with him. And it's like I grew up listening to the Little Wayne, you know what I'm saying. Like, so it was just so far fetched. You know, I talk about it in

It's like, you look like, who the fuck is this clowny? This is something I didn't know. I was surprised to learn that Little Wayne inspired your name.

Yes, yeah, I didn't know that either Yeah, it seemed like you would be, but it wasn't obvious at all.

It was their whole movement because you know when they had like BG and they call him begs G. Yeah, Wayne, they call him Weezy, and it was like a thing that was going on at the time. And I was just like people used to kind of call me that back in the day because my voice was so raspy in school. So I was just like, yo, I'm just gonna go with this. And then I remember calling my man. I was like yo, because Little j was like with my grandmother called me right. So that was only nickname

I like that it took him getting used to though, Yeah, it took them getting used to.

I remember itself had the site going on, and I think Sycamore Roll to Colin was like the rap games now run by Yeezy, Wheezy and Jeezy.

Yeah, yeah, that's.

Time and even you know, even like doing records. But like Kanye, it was just like you know, because when he came over to the label, it's just like everything was about Kanye. But for him to respect my musical ear, you know what I'm saying, was dope. And if you really think about Jeff Jam as a whole, in my era, there was nobody I didn't co sign, from Rihanna to Christina Million to anybody that was on Death Jam. I did record with him, from Kanye to Neo to whoever.

That's what he had. A mob.

He had all these different entities out doing their thing, but he was able to get us to come together and like stand as a front, right and to keep each other hot.

You know what I mean.

I think that's what the game is missing now because when you have that, you're able to build because you're able to keep You know, if my stuff is slowing down, me hopping on a song, Rihanna's gonna help me, you know what I'm saying. If Kanye is slowing down, him coming to do put On with me is gonna help. And he just ran it like that. And one thing about La Reid, I'm going ahead and put it out there. He paid his superstars like superstar.

Yeah. One thing about that guy, he's not holding that money. He not holding that money. Man. He like whatever you in a great exact side and be che up a little bit.

Man talking about shaking the book man, Yeah, yeah, you said one thing about about him. You said something like, if you have one more thing to say about listening and learning or loving and learning or something you say to him.

Well, I was. I was saying that I would and long lived shake.

I was saying that, and I learned that on this half of my life now before then, because it's black men, we just feel like we could take on the world and were so were so tough and we're so good that we don't talk to each other about what we're going through. And I didn't know he was going through something.

You know, it's just beautiful soul. Man.

Shake lit up every shake lit up every room. Everybody loved him. He was always happy, he was always smiling, he always had jokes. And what that just taught me is you just never know what somebody's going through, man, So you have to see people.

You have to see him.

And I make that a point, like even when I'm out and I'm running into people. Used to be like I might dad, somebody up and keep it moving. No, actually that mother and hey, man, what's going on? Good?

His family? Wife, good, because his kids good? How you feeling okay? What's new?

And just you know, see them because a lot of times people aren't seen, you know they can be. And I've been one of those. I've been everywhere with a hundred people and still alone, you know what i mean, still lonely, still in my head about things that I know I can't talk to nobody around me about because considered weak.

You know what I'm saying, You can't.

Talk to the wolves about you know what I'm saying, like it doesn't work right what Shalla Bay said, the wolves don't make great house pets.

I can tell you're so effected by his passion because like a snowfall on King's crowme, you said, you call his phone.

Just like yeah, and I go, you know it's even sadder, bro like.

And I say this because I go through my phone sometimes and like be looking for somebody number, put like an s or this or that it didn't happened with my mom the other day.

It's just like it's so many people.

And I don't want to erase the numbers because I don't want to forget these people that I love.

But I've lost so many people. Man, It's it's so crazy.

When you just go through my phone and just look at all the people that are going you just be like damn, like you know, even like Nip, like Nip text me before it happened, I ain't even I didn't even get a chance to hit him back, you know what I'm saying.

Like it was just sometimes you got to slow down and take time to take care of people.

Man.

It just can't be all about you and what you got going on.

And I promised myself every album or anything musically I do from that point on, that Shake would be the executive to do something. You know what I'm saying, because he changed my life. He saved my life. He was the one that convinced la Reading him to sign me. If he didn't sign me, I would have been in prison. This is one thousand. That's a no brainer. It was happening. It was going down in real time, you know what

That was all because of Shake. That wasn't He ain't had nothing to do with me. You know.

He was the one that was in the streets. He saw me, and he saw what I was doing, and by the time I got up to the label, it was already understood. It wouldn't a whole lot of conversation. It was like he was the vice president at the time, something like that, getting onto it. He was LA's right hand man. So he really made my deal happen. It was like that, I went up there and I came home.

I had a deal. I bought my mom my house, and the rest was his. You know what I'm saying.

You had mentioned just Nipsey on DJ Drama's album on the song Raised Different. Yeah, you said it was hard to do this song. Yeah, yeah, really one of the best versus this year.

Yeah. I kind of felt like I just don't want to normalize just having to to praise our brothers from the other side, you know what I'm saying, because all these guys are good guys. Man, Nipsy Dobe, you know, Vaughn h take Off. I mean, you know, especially him, he wouldn't it just you know, it's just like damn, like so young, too soon, and I would rather be talking and nip than doing a record and him not

So it was, it was, it was. It was a deep blow for that.

And even when me and Boosy did the Rocketman remix, you know what I'm saying, it was just like damn, Like what can I say on my part because it's like, damn, I'm tired of like rapping about my brothers, my people, you know what I'm saying, and them not being here no more. And that's what the book is really about, Like you got to navigate through this stuff, bro, Like you got to make it, like cause if you don't make it, you didn't win the game, you know what

You know what I'm saying. It's like it's egos involved and these people have no conflict resolution.

Conflict means that one of us got to go, you know what I'm saying, And that's it shouldn't be that way, but that's the way the game is, right because music is the new streets.

It is.

It ain't no streets, no more, nobody standing on no corners, ain't nobody no trap houses. Everybody moving around the world, plenty money, plenty of power, and you know, you're getting into things that you're dealing with people who are just as aggressive as you, you know what I'm saying, just as resourceful as you. And that's what that's when you get the egos gliding because it's a lot of power.

It got to have some type of.

Understanding to it that you can have a conversation without it coming to a right you know what, I'm saying to a head and you know, and I just see them in the same thing. When I think about Nip, I'm like, man like, Nick was a good dude. And I remember that I was home in La when that happened. I've never seen La so dark. When Kobe died and Nip died. You felt it everywhere in the grocery store to the corner store.

You know what I'm saying. The doorman at the house, we.

Feel because we have these great interviews with him, so when people see us, you carry that weight.

Yeah, it's real.

And even when I went to his funeral, man, yeah, house like wow, bro like, and I hate to see that. It takes you not to be here no more for people to see how great you are, you know what I'm saying. Because people felt his greatness like you felt the people that was with him, Like the way that people stood outside is hurst rolled through the way, the whole arena was full, a staple center was just it was like you felt them in there. Bro, you know

It was sobering in the book when you said, like when you watch the Air Force ones video but air.

Force excuse me video, you said that most of the people in the video are dead, Yeah, or was incarcerated the time. Yeah, Well, you know what it is. It's like a man, it's like, we all sign on for what we signed on for.

It's like going to Vietnam or going to Iraq to fight for something that you believe to be right.

You're going to be casualties, you know what I'm saying.

And the consequences, the consequences of it, and it's just like, you know, you got to imagine how much PSD postraumatic stress they're coming back with. So imagine how much postraumatic stress we have, right because these are people you love too, this is your brothers, and by some type of circumstances, they're no longer with us, so they're no longer free, and you just got to be like damn. But then you got to keep going, right because you can't stop.

Back and lean into my people, right.

And I couldn't let that throw me off because we all sign up for that because it could have been me. Right, So you just stay prayed up, and you just stay moving on your path and just hoping that you know, you don't get caught up in some things.

But it was.

It's crazy now even still. And by the way, I don't really even watch a lot of my old videos because of that type of stuff. Like it's hard for me to watch Go get a and see Secure stand at the table with his feed up.

You know what I'm saying. It's like, you know, it's those moments for me. You know what I'm saying. A video did watch before you came? Was over here? Okay?

That song to me has like a real significance to your career, as with a bum bee. Yeah, And it's like initially that song didn't go over as well as you intended, but eventually it did. You know, these days people kind of abandoned the record that they feel it doesn't work, you know, it's not getting traction.

Can you speak to that, like sticking to a song that you believe in and it eventually came on. So let me tell you it wasn't me. Rest in Peace.

DJ Fernando, which was the Magic City Monday's DJ, broke really all my music in Magic City. He was the one that was like, I'm gonna break this record and he never let up and he played over here. And when we used to play it, I used to get to the back of the club because I was like embarrassed, anxious and everything because it was like, I'm this dude to just get money and I'm trying to wrap you know. It kind of feels corny. And I was shy, not in the street syst but like the music says, I

I was just coming to club like Jesus here need eighty thousand. I'm like, that was our thing. We just go spend, you know.

I was just going there and spend ten, twenty thirty, forty fifty thousand dollars every time I popped in.

And that was like the marketing. And he believed in it.

He kept pushing the record, pressing the record, pressing the record until it just worked. And when one thing about Atlanta, if it work in Magic City, is gonna work everywhere. And he did that like I didn't know how to break a record. I just knew how to make the tapes. But he was the one that was focusing on the record.

A whole other level.

Right, the couple months in already, yeah, a couple of months he wasn't even. He wasn't even, he didn't win yet. But everybody kept trying to tell me to take the record off, like there's no way for Rockets winning a presidential election.

I'm like, he got to win. How is this going to happen?

And I did that record and my president's black, and when he won, I'll never forget it because I had nads on the record.

Then your man hit me, yeah, you go do it that, I like, remix. Baby, let's go.

So we get to the inauguration and uh, we had a club loveer. I hadn't heard the verse yet. The first time you heard the verse, Yeah, wow, you got the verse and everybody was going crazy.

I was just like, this is crazy.

And I'm sitting there back. How you getting Nas on the record and then get Jay on the remix, and.

How you get John Lewis in the video.

John Lewis is the realist bro shout out the gay who directed the video. He called him, he came Wow, Yeah, he wanted to be there because I got there late.

He was waiting on me. John was in the middle of the Hooduito chilling for real.

And then and so much came out of that video because I remember I used to hear Jay talk about Emory, but I didn't know what the connection was. And Gabe was like, Yo, we're gonna we got these signs, these something free Emory signs, and I'm just like, all right, cool, And I remember he put the signs in the video. And this is right before Emery got home, and which was crazy because I was like, yeah, go ahead and

You left, you came back. You ain't saying nothing crazy about this man. Everybody right, you know what I'm saying.

So that made me respect their their movement more. And then just to see the people that came out to that video, like to see how excited they was and how cellibratory there was. It was just like it was magic Baby and shout out to booth thrmy he came out there, cause you know, I was like as black as my nigga boo.

This September acts the fifteenth anniversary of the recession.

Oh really yeah, yeah, I ain't know it's been that long.

Classic album Yeah yeah, to me, my best body of work I agree. Yeah, my best body of work. I mean, because of the effort that I put into it. And it's also the time of the shift in my life because that's when I was like, you know, I was overweight, I was drinking water. I wasn't doing it. Like something just snapped in me around that time. You told me, what time you was just eating sushi? Right, Yeah, Hey, sushi that's all you would eat.

That's it.

And I started, you know, drinking water and taking care of myself and getting rest and I dropped like sixty pounds on my own. I started running, and so when all start, I just felt better. And that's when I was going in to write The Recession. I just was in such a good space because before then, between Trapper Dye and up into the Recession, I was going through a lot of survivors remorse and I was real depressed, and I didn't know the word for depression then, you

He flew up. I played it for him from front of the back. He was like, you done. I was like, I know.

I was just I'm still upset that done it All didn't make the final cut. They done it all, done it all?

Yeah, okay, So the haull of motes, Uh, they was taking some time to clear the sample, and I, this is the crazy thing. I kind of felt like it didn't belong on that really yeah, because I just it was it just signed sonically so different.

Wow.

So I put it on the mixtape, right, I think it was h trapping. Ain't dead trapping. He did them niggas just scared. I put on the mix and I went and I went to Detroit one day and some type of way when DJ played that ship and man.

They love you, they love you, and Detroit it was real and I was just like yo.

I was like, I was like, yo, can we put on the album? It was like not on the physical, but you can put it on the streaming one. And I was like, yeah, let's do that, you know what I'm saying. And that's how it got on. And it was because I went to Detroit and I saw it. Because I didn't I didn't. I love the record, shout out to justicleat loved the song, but it didn't sound like a rap song, you know what I'm saying. It didn't sound like what we was doing at the time.

So we put it on the end of the record.

And to me, if you asked me what's the best record I've ever recorded, I'll tell you it's done.

To me because I felt every bar.

And then I want to ask you about what your biggest guest appearance the Shorty Low record.

Why do you think that? Why do you think that records becomes its own life like you do it live shows, like you own classics. Obviously, but this is a guest versus know. I just know shut out to Shorty Low long lived Low.

I know.

I was at Gregg Street show for promoting it might have been the Recession, and he played it on air and I just was sitting there.

I was like, who the fuck is that Shorty little new record?

You heard it? I was like no, And he played it again for him and I sat there and I I remember reaching out to Low, like, hey man, I got a verse for you. Said yeah, I wrote, I wrote they know?

Hold was it?

Spanky? I wrote, they know? And I'm gonna do me remix in the same day. I did both of those at the same time, and then and and then that came out. But to me the time that I was in when I did they know? Uh? And just what I was saying because I didn't write that, I just went into the studio and just did it. You know what I'm say Because I was trying to get it back to them. But it's just something about those horns and when it drops, it just captivates people and even me.

Like, you get me hype every time. You know what I'm saying. It been like fifteen years. It'd be the same feeling no matter what.

And when they brought up the BT, I was like, Yo, I could do one of my records, but I rather if you guys are gonna celebrate their life of young golf, let's let's do this as well.

Because this is this is do it for.

Shorty in the City. And I happened to love doing the song, right, you know what I'm saying. I'm quite sure everybody appreciate it and shout out to Jesse Collins.

You like, let's do it by doing Yeah.

In the book you said, you know, you wrote how you Feel one O one on the Can't Coop Flight infamous Can't Coop Flight with BMF.

Yes.

I was curious, is any other unique locations you wrote a notable record?

I wrote do the Damn Thing on the in the b room at Patchworks with a Mosquino T shirt with a snowman on it, with no socks and shoes on, with some denim shorts and I was just laying on the floor and I know, Fabulous was like this nigga country is head.

I was like, what the fuck?

That was on real talk?

Yes, So I did do the damn thing, and I couldn't believe he was asking me to get on the song.

And what he did was he's like, yo, I got this because he had his verse. He's like, I need to put a hook on it. I was like, I heard it.

I was like, yeah, I put a hook on there. But in my mind, I'm looking at my engineer like I'm going to put a verse on this ship too. So I was right in the verse in the hook at the same time, and it was in the book. I mean, it was like in the control room and I told my engineer to put on headphones, so he thought I was just doing the hook. So I went in there and I did the hook, and you know, I said, my phone is stepped so my living room. We can't have the money here. We need a bigger room.

Yeah, you said you want to breathe? Yeah, I want to He was like nah, He's like nahin this is my single. I'm like, I know.

But you talk about the other rappers were taxing you while you were trying to get on past the Troy Little Flip.

And Little John little Man.

Little John got so many garbage back were brown paper bags for me, Pretty Keen, Pretty cann shout out the pretty Ken he got me pastor Troy got something? Uh?

Who else?

Because I was just giving money out in the sense of I was trying to get on through the people that were on because there was nothing bigger than Little John when I came.

Yeah, it was. It was huge.

So it was like I paid Little John for a joint in the feature between. How much was that probably by then probably like seventy five thousand? Street money, yeah, street money, bro all twenties.

I know, I kind of it. I kind of it.

I remember a pretty kid, you know, Pretty Kid wanted to seventy five too. I was like, man, you're a producer, man, did me give you photing man?

It is life. Photing Man were working out those shorts. Those shorts, jeez nah no, no.

They ain't play about that. But it was trying to all help. But it was like it was it was evident that I had the money. And it's crazy because I remember me and Carmelo Anthony having a real talk at his house and I was like, bro, he was telling me he was getting the music.

I said, Bro, let me just be honest with you.

Boy, dude, you got to do it through a third party because if they know that you're involved, they're gonna suck you dry.

You know what I'm saying.

That's what was happening with me because I was just paying everybody, you know what I'm saying, and nothing was going anywhere. But they was getting the money, you know what I'm saying. So it was just like but I felt like I was making progress, it didn't happen. The progress didn't happen til I started look inside of myself and do my best work and I'd try to go outside and just get people because they had a name.

Now.

The thing was that I was giving them away for free, and that's what everybody had a problem with, like Jazzy and Trick that it was like dumbest shit ever. I think to this day, it was the best decision I ever made.

It was unprecedented.

It was the best decision I ever made, bro because if I didn't do that, I wouldn't have a base, I want to call the streets at the time I did, I wouldn't have been able to go out and do shows because by the time Trap or Die drop and we dropped the DVD with that, because a lot of people didn't even know what I look like, you know what I'm saying, Like they just knew the music, they didn't know what I'm looking right. So when they saw the GVD, they was like, oh, and how I knew

I'm like, y'all, y'all watching this.

You know it's crazy, bro. So that's how I started to understand, like, Okay, this is this is different. You know, like these are your friends that know you. They're actually supporting what you do as fans now because they're like, wow, bro, you know, look at you riding around doing this and then living this and what I did because a lot of people don't know, I went in and edited all

Who just kind of bring back that era? Dope?

Yeah, so I know we got the book now, Okay, Snowfall was well received last year. Yeah, are we getting some more music in the future. It's looking like great question call you First off, snow was really good. Now I love I love Snowfall man. Shout out to everybody was a part of it.

It was.

Probably the first time in a long time I was able to just do something without any expectations, you know what I'm saying, Like just free, you know what I'm saying. That's why I enjoyed the process so much, because it was like I wasn't trying to get no singles and the reps like this, how I feel.

I want to just put these records together.

Shout out to Don Kennon and DJ Dramma Lake Show for Show, Superstar Trey and everybody was a part of it, just as League.

Everybody produced on it.

And it's crazy though, because you would think, and I wanted to do something nostalgic like that, so that's why me and Drama talked about it and we did it. But you would think that after so many years it wouldn't have the same feeling that it did.

I love that. Yeah, Yeah, you and Drama also had the B side shows that. Yeah that was fun. It ain't come to New York jeezy.

Yeah, we dropped the ball on that one. We dropped the ball on that because I was running around so much. But we still could do one of New Year. Yeah, we needed it and we still doing Challenge. Wasn't putting the setlist together for y'all. It was crazy, Like we sat and I went over to a studio. We sat in there for hours and I didn't realize we had

I was like, damn, we should have. Did you know what I mean, and it was just like I would love to you do like fifty sixty songs or something. Yeah. Yeah, it was a real show. And it was supposed to be a B side show. Nobody sweats to the B side. Everybody's cool, you know what I'm saying. But now it was real. It was real songs and real work. But the thing I loved about it most is like.

Just doing the songs and seeing how people reacted, you know what I'm saying, because these were songs that I never get a chance to do with my real.

Shows because it's so like grassroots, you know, just just you had to be there to know. So it was. It was good man. I loved it. I love that.

Is there a song in particular that stands out that you love to perform that you don't get a chance to it a regular show.

Definitely, done it all, all, done it all would be one missus seventeen five.

That's my favorite g Z. Yeah yeah, yeah, miss seventeen five.

Yeah, because you know you can't just do that, And like I was so happy it right a video like two years ago.

It's like, finally you put out a seventy five video.

Yeah, but I'm actually thinking about going back and doing a lot of videos for a lot of my old stuff, you know what I'm saying, Yeah, just to revamp it, because it's like then I was running the gun in so much I didn't really have time to like think creative and trying to figure out how to put something together because a lot of our videos are just running shoot, And I would love to go back and take some of those classics that I really.

Like and just put a little spin on it. I see another book in the future too.

Oh yeah, No, this is something that's good for me, Like I love this, and you know, I want people to understand, like my purpose in life is to obtain knowledge and wisdom and to regurgitate it back in the

I love to do. You know what I'm saying. You feel the power? The voice is very direct. Yeah.

Yeah, and again any family members out there listening like that said, y'all chill out.

You know what I'm saying. Listen. So Gez, If adversity is for sale, how much does it cost everything? Everything?

Yeah, because if you know, they say, the richest place in the world is the cemetery. That's where you take all your all, your all, your gifts, all the things that God gave you. If you don't use them, it's just like the biggest form is is regret. And I don't ever want to regret anything, Like I want to

If you ain't eating right, you might not be here. If you ain't living right, you might not.

Be So it's so much so when I say Adversity for Sale. I'm saying that these are the things that I went through. I overcame them, so I'm quite sure that you can even overcome them even better because now you got a template or or some type of understanding of what you might encounter. But this is how I navigated, so you should put how you want to move to it.

Got you gotta believe, or like.

If you don't believe, you're already done. It's like walking into a fight boxing somebody and you don't believe you're gonna win. You already know your ass about to be knocked out, you know what I'm saying.

And that's what just with life.

If you don't walk into life and believe not even gonna knock you the hell out, it's gonna knock you out. And every time it knocked me out, I got up just some myself off and went full speed ahead. And and it's like everything in this book is the truth to my to my knowledge, and it's there for you to take bits and pieces of it out to help you overcome your adversity and.

You can go sell yours. Pats. Yeah, thank you man, thank you.

Shout out to my partner right here we was in college golf tournament. I didn't realize how gangster Elliott was. I see this dude talking to you, man, what's up? I like this guy from B MF T hy En.

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