Rap Radar: Giggs

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Elliott Wilson, This is beat odd beat out.

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They can't stop us.

Man.

You see that Burner Boy interview man that went viraled over the place. Man, they couldn't take that, he said. Jay Cole said it minded him of a pac Man. It was going crazy with that man. You know what's funny is like pocket is often used as like the reference other rappers used to describe another rapper.

You know that? Yeah, absolutely, and then and then the audience goes crazy every single time. It's like that divide of like excited to buy it and then the other eyelets pick up on it. But then then it comes to backlash, like how dare you say this guy's pock And Cole's just saying this, it's.

Funny how it just like becomes his own thing. They'll find that one thing and that becomes the whole thing.

Yeah, absolutely, I mean it's it's funny though. I mean Burna boy, I don't know how, I don't know what his response is like in Nigeria, if they feel the same way, maybe we have to take that trip. Well, there's only one way to figure this out, man, we got to talk to Jermaine and see if he actually said that.

There you go, right, let's call you.

Let's say hey, JAMAI call.

We did. We had a real reason we need to talk to you.

Now.

We don't know what's going on with this album, right, Yo? What happened to Cole's album? If I got quiet about that, we're supposed to get a J Cole album?

What happened to that? Man?

Well, he has been in New York. I saw him at Electric Ladies Studios, him and the two minus. Okay, they were riding bicycles, so I think they're working out of there. But you caught him one. You caught him on one of his bike rides. You called him out, not in person. I saw it on the GRAMD, on the app. Okay, okay, So I think we're gonna get a J Cole album about it? End of the year, I hope crossed my fingers and that's the fall off, right,

He really tell Bernard Boy he's like the African Tupac? And was that really you know what I'm saying, was that really I love that Burna Boy press though, because you know, obviously he's an international artist. We'll be getting like Nigerian Dus, like all these international out.

Lists picking up on it.

I think it's great for us, what global with this one.

Like Burner Boy, he went from the African giants, so global icon. I'm just really happy that he got the set with us again, not the four years, so he didn't forget about the little people.

If you get about the little people, man, you know what I'm saying.

But some people saying them numbers didn't didn't match up though, like his album sales and stuff like hip hop. Right now, Mat, I think it's a very like fragile state a little bit, don't you think, b Like? I don't know, man, like I think we need a good third or fourth quarter fits is think strong right now?

I disagree, man.

I feel like this year has been a really good year actually, despite the fact that we haven't had like a blockbuster name drop an album, there's been quality material dropping throughout the year. I just don't know if people truly care about the music like they claim they do. Whooh oh they sleeping? He not got us listened. He checking it twice. So what I'm saying, you know, I got Drake t something to say the world? Man, how you feel me a fall the dog? You're excited me at all the dogs?

I think it.

Drake releases always exciting, you know. I don't know if the music will connect, you know, will match the excitement. But you know it's always great when a blockbuster name drops something. You know, it's like, Okay, it's new Drake. This is where everyone's focus is on, you know, So I'm excited to see what he has up his sleeve for sure.

What do you think of him teasing everybody with the release dates and driving everybody that's like, what do you think we're gonna get this record?

It's like what you think? I personally don't like that. I don't like it like teasing. You know what I'm saying, It's like deliberate when it's ready. Actually prefer no announcements these days when it comes to albums. I prefer like, just you know, on a random Friday, just drop it. You know, when it's ready, it's ready. How do you feel about it?

To drop this shit? Man?

Also think, like we were saying earlier like, I think a lot of the shift, like for our guess today is part of that.

Like I think we got to look at the rap world.

That's truly a rap world right now, and it's a national EXE out of.

Here making some noise.

Man, I definitely want to get such sexual see on our platform. I'm excited about that. Get you got Santan Davis making noise, you know what I'm saying. But I got today Man's he's one of the most warped in the game.

Yeah, gigs Man, Jiggs mad named Gigs Madam, Gigs the Brough Gigs. You know, Gigs is the person that we've seen, I've seen, you know, throughout the industry, especially in New York City. It's like, yo, I know of him, but I didn't know him like that, you know. So I'm really happy that he sat with us during this UK excuse me, during his American run.

Yeah.

Man, he loves New York City, man, he said, like, I definitely felt like first time I went to London, the similarities between New York and London, And he says it's the same way for him, like when he came to New York, he felt like, Wow, this place is so like similar to my hometown and that connection. I thought it was really cool to tap in him with that. Like and you know the new album came out now with Puffy's involved with that, you know, just like with

Hop, you know in so many ways.

Yeah.

Absolutely, And to me for a long time, gigs is almost like a word of mouth kind of artists, Like you knew the name, yeah, but never maybe you might not necessarily attached it to the music. The Boogeyman exactly, U K Boogieyman so well. Ko Man came, he came into the city. Man, he sat with us when we had a great conversation.

You be.

I went to this album release party. Man, you touch the streets to me? Man, I was out. I was outside, Man, you missed me. Man, I was outside.

Man, I ever.

Heard that ship started at like two in the morning.

Oh, that shit started superlate. Man.

Tried like, I'm a father out here. What's we doing.

I'm a father.

Yeah, I'm a single dad.

Man.

I can get my sleep.

Nah, but I had to get I had to get my room in the city. I had to get my little experience song.

I saw that.

I saw the guys from uh oh, my guy Bars ninety five, those guys from I saw those guys out there was taking it. But yeah, Gigs was super cool, man. It was a great inter you. He definitely appreciated our time. Man, we've got the big te like. I think that's how challenge man. We might have to go make a little London run. Like I keep saying, beat, are you ready to make it to your passports?

Ready?

Passports? Ready?

Can't go through customs. You ain't even nowhere. You ain't got no stance of your passport.

The funk would beat that.

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The British are coming, yo.

The British took over man here. I need to have this man here, man. I thought we'd have to go across the Ponner sit with this man. Were in the States and he came and blessed us to sit down with us. Man, legendary man, Biggs Higgs Brogs. Incredible, congratulations brother, Zero tolerance man, Why do you have zero tolerance?

Man? What's going on? Man? You know what I'm saying. Yeah, that's all right, you know, you know, growing ups, that's where we're riting life zero. You ain't got time for the bullshit, you know.

What I mean, that's what it represents.

Yeah, yeah, that's that's not the feme of the of the project. You know what I'm saying. Where you got like kiss when they grow up and the Jerry Green song growing Decisions and you know what I mean, that's the kind of vibe of the project.

No waste of time.

Yeah, yeah, with some of the things that you can't tolerate.

Gigs, nonsense, dumb shit, right, you know what I mean, time wasting.

It seems like that throughout the project, like it's almost like relationship based. You're talking to women, it's just people in general.

Yes, it's last ship, right, last you know what I mean? Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

What made you go that in that direction?

You think of this project. That's just where mount in life, you know what i mean. Like I said, I'm a grow man, you know I mean free kids. Yeah yeah, so it's just working kids really anything else. I ain't really got time for that literally, you know what I mean. So yeah, that's that's what's going to come out in the music. You know what I mean.

Speak to that dedication because you've been putting it into what eaight right you as Puffy touched on longevity right, Like why you've been so dedicated to this and where do you see your career right now?

The dedication is strength. I just love music, you know what I'm saying. I love my own music, you get I mean, like if I want some new music, I'll just make something. That's the truth. You know what I'm saying That sometimes I'll be in the car, need that new giks.

Get your own supply.

Yeah. So like and dedication is easy, you know what I'm saying, Like a man loves it. You got me.

But even on the title track though, you said like this is the loneliest you ever been, Like why is that the case?

It's just like just moving around like obviously I've been not back and forth head London, you know what I'm saying, Like, and then if it's not that, I'll have the kids studio back working, so like I ain't really got time to I ain't got time to waste, you know what I mean? Some more time, it's like I'll be by myself, really, you know what I mean. That's how it is as well, you know when you're in tunnel vision mode like yeah,

But I wonder with you Gigs, like what is there a set goal in mind? Because I also so you know your interviewer sway and it's like you're so confident in this project. It's almost like you know, you believe in it, right, so you can live with whatever the result is.

So is it is it a balance.

Of like feeling like you have to ascend to a certain level, like what is what's your goals in mind with this?

Just start to get the whole world listening to gigs, bro, that's it really, yeah, you know what I'm saying, That's it. How did you.

How did you build that?

Because even before I really knew your catalog, I knew like from hearing people like Gigs is the one like London, He's he's legit, Like he's the most authentic.

Like how did that begin?

Just by being me? By being myself? You know what I mean? That's that's the main thing. You know, a lot of people are scared to do that, you know what I'm saying. But me, I'll just keep it one hundred authentic, genuine, just be me, bro and everything else was followers. Get me and work hard. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, I can't lose.

Yeah, you do work hard. But it seems like the last three years you kind of took a break man from your last project. Why was that?

You know what that was? COVID? I was COVID COVID. I didn't even realize it was three years, you know what I'm saying. Even when I was when I was getting ready to put this one out, I looked at the last one. The day is two thousand? Was it twenty twenty? Now? I didn't even know it's been three years.

It's crazy. It goes by fast.

You know what I'm saying, That but then like in COVID, that's when I got the visa, finally got over here, and I just started like being over here, more understanding the culture, you know what I'm saying. Like, so then working at the same time, so like time just flew bro you know, next thing, I know, it's just twenty twenty three and nine for project three years. I even realize that fact. Yeah.

Mean, but it's crazy because I see you sometimes at events here in New York City. I thought that you lived here because you were here so much.

No, I'm back back and forth. It's like it's that like you're doing la or time right from here, same kind of distance. I mean, yeah, but were.

You still like writing and recording.

Like half the project recorded here, Okay to be honest, Oh here in New York. Yeah, yeah, got some in New York, some in Jersey, something, some in London, some in Jamaica.

You said, similar to me when I first went to learn in that sense, like the similarities with New York. And you feel the same way when you when you touch down in New.

York the same place, Yeah, same place. It just feels that it just feels that London, but it's America. Yeah, Mad similarities, just jumping the cab whatever, that same Meltain type ship, you know what I mean?

So you and the Dave Starlins? Was that was that a special.

Night of the songs on the album.

That's what I just said. What I say about if I says the starlets, I said Harbor as well, you know, just talking about starlets.

Nobody even you paint the picture even like one of my favorite unlimited blessings, and I feel like you paint the picture like I feel like you're in Miami, right.

Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking about when I was saying, that's that's crazy.

Yeah, because you talk about Cali and talk about we trap like painting those pictures like, so was that a special night in Miami when that they came together?

Was reflecting on it? I think? I think cause it's at the great time out there in the miamis a by the beach and I'm hearing them waves like you know what I'm saying, an incredible night, you know what I'm saying. And then I just felt blessed, you know, you get me, but.

Also acknowncing people are still going through the struggle too.

Yeah, that's serious about it too, because they that painting at the beats bringing that, you know what I mean. So I might I might be thinking I might have been in Miami, like just like reflecting, you know what I'm saying that at the same time, you get me.

Yeah, and it seems like you work well with others though, you know, even though all throughout the project talk about like how you hate niggas, niggas, gigs.

I don't hate niggas. I just can't stand the dumb ones, you know what I mean. He's doing that to behave right. You know what I'm saying, black us who we don't want, Like I said in there, fucking idiots around right, fucking up what we're trying to do. You know what I'm saying. You get me, So I love niggas, but.

Then kind of double down like an incredible source with the whole day you said, you are just more to yourself. I don't care for who I keep friends with, Like have you always been well?

I said, Now, I'm more careful about who I keep friends. You know what I'm saying. Now, I've always that's well, man's been free so much. I'll be stupid not to be careful with who I keep friends, you know what I mean. So yeah, man, that's that's the that's the energy, you know what I mean? Right?

Are your intents more up? Like when you're here in America, Like even though you have a lot of people that you're cool with, like a lot of the rappers and you know, just regular people. An tends up in what sense you know, just who's in your circumference.

That he's around? Man, Yeah, of course, just cautious, of course. Man, I'm always watching always.

Seems like this guy Puffy's watching.

Man, you got involved with this project, the band record, Like what was his overall involvement with the project and how did that?

How did that come together?

I just needed him on that man. I just needed that classic that classic path like the intro that the ad lives. You know what I'm saying, Like just what that puff ship? Yeah you know what I mean when you talk your ship? Yeah yeah, I was saying, Yeah, I need that. I need that like that that holy ghost type puff you know what I'm saying, Like you get me, That's what I was saying to him, Like and it's like that's what you want? Yeah, cool, cool, you know what I mean? And he just it was

So was he familiar with the music and stuff like that when you first approached.

Him with my music? I don't really think so. You know, I'm not really a push my music in your face type type of guy. You know what I'm saying. So when I was shaying him that the project is oh ship is this what's going on? Saying b Yeah, I knew that. I knew you was the I didn't know that it's cold like you know what I'm saying, the black King God. But when I showed it, mind them that, I just knew it was gonna fuck with.

Getting him on the song is one thing, But having the video that's a whole other animal.

Trust me, Man's grateful for the whole thing for showing mad love, even like shooting in his house from yeah, like that's like that's my love. You get me.

Another guy showed you bad love.

The jay z shouted you out and the guy did reconds. I see a lot of holy gigs, like when did you first learn about that?

And how did you take it?

Yeah, it was that. It was that a couple of months before I heard it. Still, well, when did I when did you do that? Get done?

It?

Like approbably a month before us On one time you saw lenning us post a picture of when it's like he laid the verse on. It's like the same day I heard it. Then that's fucking mad.

What do you think the similarities are between you and jay Z.

I don't really know, but a lot of time if I'm like around like big so like or like even like Bark, sometimes they will say like you have the same, like just little things that I think it's that it's that that's straight, that zero tolerance, like like bed times. I'll see he was having his events and I'll see like man trying to film and at my man see him from any angle filming like you know that me scanning up my thing Like yeah, I mean, it's the same,

You would have to ask him. But you're also cool with Bigs too.

How you that's my guy?

How did you guys get tight?

And one time he come London with Saint John m hmm, okay, I'll shoot one video and then they both come back to the studio and just cooking up the yard food and that you get me and that reasoning and chilling and on some grown ship like I mean, and since then just locked in you know what I'm saying, But not Biggest Biggs the truth like she was my mad love for get me proper, all of them? Oh gee, is that that you can see like they're like want the one that the young black yeah to be.

Once they recognize to show a real one, big school man.

It's my brethren.

You get that Savage man twenty one Savage on here. Man, this guys chopping his heads off of these guest appearances.

Man, what made you put them on the album?

You know that that that that that needed Savage. You that you like, this is like a s Savage team. You know what I'm saying yet me and yeah man, Savage showed that to him. I said, yeah, I got that mad ting Yeah me right, and he just lays that quick you know what I'm saying, done it. He's done it quick, bro ten to fifteen minutes knocked out.

That's a good verse too. He said, he's got his green cars going straight to Brixton.

Savage. You take him on the tour in the town. He probably can touch down. Savage, don't even need a talk. My man is ready for him in London one hundred percent, especially when people realize that it's from London. That's the next thing. You know what I'm saying, that he's that's he's ends you know what I mean, yeat me? But yeah, no service cool man, you show my mad love, yet me less of the team even that there, I can see it was mad busy as well, running around, but he still lays that thing.

It seems like the features on the album like are selectively hand picked by you gigs like yeah, Jada Kiss, Yeah, Davis twenty one Savage, Like, was that like the approach when you was going into this, Like you're just not getting the hot guy, like you're getting who you really fuck with?

Jada and Davies hot.

I mean, I mean, like that the popular guy. You know they're hot, but like I'm talking.

About real connections.

He's saying, Yeah, the people that you really that you really like, let you listen.

To My things are straight music, you know what I mean? Whoever, I ain't really that's not That's not how how I work, right, you know what I'm saying. Like even that same thing I said Savage with murdered this when I heard like that grow grow up beat that O kiss? Could that so the heart? It doesn't matter who the hot guys you the hot guy might not be able to handle that, right like kiss, Like you know what I'm saying, You hear that person? Yeah? Yeah, then it's no This is

It's selective in that way.

He's not scanning the billboard charge to find this artist.

It's got to be authentic. When you hear a song, you're like, Okay, this person could actuate.

Man loves music, you know what I'm saying. And even now that I could travel here, I'm just gonna it's just like a playground of that rock kiss with you kiss what you said, it's that like man just having fun with it. Otherwise it's just there's no point, you know what I'm saying. So me, for me, it's just always going to be just having even though this is what we're doing now, Like like you know what I'm

What do you think it was with hip hop? Why have pulled you?

Like? What was attractive to you about? I mean, that's the coldest music, you know what I'm saying, The coldest man, Yeah, mean and dancing right yeah?

Do you remember any memorable MTV raps episodes like that really resonated with you when you were coming.

Up the episodes of the videos, well, the videos like yeah, MTV rap videos like the King Black Sheep and you know them kind of brand brand new being and yeah, you know what I'm saying all that there's too many right like Mary J scenario even before when there's leaders of the new School. You know what I'm saying, scenario Yeah, yeah, yeah, you get me a n w A. And and first saw that that fucking niggas, that the niggas for that.

He said that the first time you heard the dirty version.

Yeah, yeah, I was right. How the song goes crazy mother, I'm like, I can't believe that madness. I remember thinking about that over there. I needed that ship.

It was madness crazy motherfuck ice cube.

But you started off as a d J too, What was J d J?

Super gigs a black name, let's not talk about that. Used to be going superg the super gig. What was it? Because in the streets that my name is giggler, giggling.

Okay, that's where gigs come from, laughing.

And that's maybe your name was.

I gotta obnatious laugh myself.

It could be a gig, Yellow gig, Yellow gig. So long were you DJing for for years? Man in my bedroom though? And what not? Made mad? DJ? Bro? I'm just scratch doing parties. No, I didn't get to that. I did like about two hood parties like with like ten people in there. You know, the saying that it was the mad thing for me three in the morning, some hood spot. You get me that, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, you know, I didn't get to the.

Get like your album these Party Tonight album these Party might be get two a M get back there quick.

Even for me now it's like one thing now do you know, like like even like the project, like the order of the the album, like it's like a like a kind of playlist ship. It flows, like you know what I'm saying, That's that's DJ ship. You know what I'm saying. Because people will say all the way it flows, just flows, But that's that from being a DJ, you

You also have this afrobeat moment in Hallolujah. Yeah all right, okay, so it was all intentional, the flow of.

Yeah, of course, man, that's the thing.

What was shocking. The right ending to the album, right closing for the album.

Just felt that way. And I made that before bearing them tunes there, you get me that We wasn't even I wasn't even going to put that on there, shocking, you know what I'm saying. And I was going through all the tracks like the order, and I said, rod shucking nice and yet me little reflection type joint night. You know, they want saying some good stuff, talking about our people, and you know what I'm saying, right, we're just trying to get home with things, and I just seemed rat you get me, right.

So even the biggest Day one gigs fan the center saying that this is your in your mind, your best project.

Yeah not that easy easy, Yeah, definitely going back a little bit to the DJing thing, when did you transition into rap? I used to dj, then the streets took over. Then I won't doing nothing. You know what I'm saying. You get me? Then then later on that be probably my d is there, and then I was messing about with the grime team. You get me. Then I went to jail a couple of years and I came up and it was a rap. You know what I'm saying.

Why were you so determined to come out of jail to get things back and course and get back to the music and get things back to where you need to be.

I don't know, man, I just I'll just say when I get out, I'm just gonna take music serious. And it weren't even like the rap thing in London. We weren't even, we weren't even a career. You know what I'm saying that you'd be embarrassed to say you rap. You know that if man says, oh what do you

I mean and while you were locked up, you were influenced by fifty cent those mixtapes.

Right, yeah them times, yeah, that them that was free. It was all fifty them g and the tapes and that yeh me, yeah, get them tunes that get shut the I remember I went to one jail and we couldn't have music for long, not for long, we could have music at all. I was in there for like three months and I I was going crazy, no music, you get me. I remember I heard one fifty remember that for year on the radio. One that like half of it. I said, I got to get so, I

So and where you're coming from too, You're coming from a peck him south east London. It seems like they's soaking in the water right there because you're from there. You got Damns and Idris start Snowfall and John Boyeger he's in Star Wars, Like did you know those guys growing up too?

I knew Dampson's sister. His sister used to be she's like my She used to like kind of roll with the man sisters, gangster sister. I'm telling you say, on the end, she used to be on the ends, right, John Bag, I didn't know. I think one of my little brothers knew him. Peckham's big still you have, Like I think John Berger is a Southampton way that I was.

And what about you think about the rise of like all the other guys from the UK you got you said Dizney Rascal was the one that kind of kicked things off everybody.

Right, Yeah, And Dizzey's thing was that was a mad thing still, yeah, was crazy the streets on lock Still. That's what I'm saying. That's kind of what got spitting in that dizzy. That's why I kind of started on the grime team. You get me. He used to fuck out and my little brother his name is Joe Grinder used to spit as well, and I thought I'm getting on this, yeah me, But then it weren't really a grind thing for me, like you know, that was the entry point. Yeah, I was more on the wrapting. Yeah.

But then we have like artists like Dave who's on the project as well. Then you have like Central C and storms, like we think about this like UK Evasion, It's kind of happening right now.

Yeah. I love it man, the games just everything's just coming together in it, you know what I'm saying. It's that time obviously we have to earn because like over here, look fifty years. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. The man have been grinding for years, so we have to put we have to put in that work and earn, you know what I mean. Now it's time to integrate and collaborate and take over the world together. You get me. That's where we're at with it, you know what I'm saying.

Did you feel like it was just struggle to be heard as a UK artist?

Yeah, one hundred percent. One hundred percent. But that seem like anything that even in America. No, like you got to put in that work, bro, Yeah, but it's a bit harder for us, well the way over the other side, and no one really cares in it you yet me, right, We just had to like bang the door extra hard, extra loud. You get me? Yeah, yeah, we're here in it.

So because for a long time, like you weren't able to come to America, because because because of your legal situation, Like when were you able to come over here?

That's that was the first time in COVID. Oh so within the last yeah three I'm twenty one, twenty one.

Oh wow.

Yeah, from the last time before that was twenty eleven and ten years twenty twenty one.

A lot has changed since then.

I was starving together. That is that used to piss me off the big time. What was the first time?

First time? Did you come to York first? What was the first experience.

In New York? Yeah, it's in New York. Yeah, yeah, I came to New York first? And what's she doing?

Holland Brooklyn?

Which? Bro?

Did you touch Queens?

Everyone comes to Queens because of the airport.

That everyone comes to Queens.

You know, we know a right you can throw the airports, buddy, the plane.

Got in touch.

Yeah. I came to New York first, and yeah, I was. I was moving around everywhere. I was like a fucking kid in it. Yeah, I'm saying, trust me, bro, I was. I was here. Yeah, I felt like I just came home. I swear to that, right, I swear to God that man is telling me, actually, let me not push it. I was happy, was happy.

Was it a hard process?

Hard to get here? Yeah? What it took me ten years? Bro?

Wow?

Some myth tinging the fucking whole load of money?

Really wow? Yeah they don't talk about that part.

Nah, Bro, that was a fucking decade. Yeah, that was hard. That was hard of a patience or whatever.

Looking at the patients.

I think you also said somebody when you had the great look on More Life with the songs with Drake, you couldn't even really experience how to help elevate your career, right.

Not even now. I just just didn't get to to witness what was going on in America being on a Drake album. That was it.

Yeah, but now you know what I mean, how did that? How did that come together? At that time Drake had reached out.

Yeah, it's just the man. That's when I just dropped the Landlord album and then he just hit me saying this album is mad. Yeah, I mean, can I send you sign? Can you send me something?

Send me to?

Yeah? Yeah, was it came to you?

Came first?

He said no long to la, no longer talk. Then he sent came to a couple of weeks after that, we're saying two on more Life. I was like, yeah, that's good. I remember he sent the beat first, he sent the beat by itself. Then that couple of hours there he sent the verse quick. Yeah, I'm you know, I'm not playing no games and where's your team? Like It's one of them ones where I had to go studiore the couple of the day after. I was like, what you think a man is not serious? Like you

But you already were popping, you know, on your side of the town, Like, were you surprised that Drake reached out to, you know, collaborate with you.

No, not really, I'm not going to lie. When when I was making Landlord, I remember I was thinking this thing is going to be the mad thing.

That was the shift for you.

Yeah, it was, it was. It was one of the shifts in my career. There's been loads of different shifts for Yemmy. Oh yeah. When I made that, say, yeah, man, niggas are gonna You're gonna fuck with this head. Right, Everything I thought, I'm not going to say, I don't want it seemed that fucking that big headed or nothing. But everything I was thinking is going to happen happened, Yemmy.

Off of that, all right, what are some of the things you thought that was going to happen that did happen for you?

No, that's what I'm not going to say fair enough.

But I did see you know when you guys performed it in twenty seventeen at the Redding Festival. Yeah, and you're dead at twenty eighteen at the Wireless like people they love that drake when it comes on, but the crowd goes crazy for your verse on kmet Man.

Yeah, that's that Tingle is mad bro Yeah mad, Yeah, No, that's I don't know, man, It's just that's one of them songs. May because fucking mad.

That's aectially that last line of Batman. What were you thinking when he was creating the.

Vibes, the vibes that was having a having a party. When it was making that song, I saw one of my own resions actually posted that he was there. I was like that. When we made it, everyone was stepping the bringing up. I was going up like we already knew that as a bang, it was you know what I'm saying that you get me?

Is it someone in the camp that you turned to when you're making the music as a buck?

Is it? Is it?

Who do you?

The older man in the studio? It is lit, That's how we do it.

You have to have a good environment like that.

Yeah. Sometimes when I when I was making this project, I more wanted to be on my own a lot because I was like up in the level and that you know what I'm saying, especially coming over here and I came up. These men were quicker man like East. Yeah, that man in and Night in seconds bro his verse fam. I've worked with Theast couple of times from but Starlets

Back in like twenty sixteen, he had tweeted out like whipping Excursion your songs.

Yeah, I ain't really linked the Weekend like Linkedini once Drake Show. Okay, yeah, and there's that year walking and that was it, you guys are Yeah, I ain't really linked him. Yeah, something matter that. I had a conversation that, you know, I.

Mean, it seems like you met a lot of your heroes already, have you like you have jay Z and you know Bigs. Is there anyone else that you still like I want to link.

With probably like that a doctor Dre or Cube or you know what I'm saying back to the n w A. One time I saw a Cube. I wasn't even trying to bother him like that. That man at that starts like you don't even want to to see in the room. That's my yeah, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, so what about fifty you know you not of course, just that's the that's the that's the guy from yeah me yeah fifty. That that man that got me through my whole jail center. You know what I'm saying, Like fifty bro, yeah,

It feels like when you come to London you got to check in with gigs man. It's like you see they say that you don't have to Yeah, that man will sure you a good time in it. You don't have to check in that. I'm not going to get offended or I don't run on London.

It seems like you get me, you got to bucket. I just understand, like like when you not come over the things you want to see and you know what I'm saying, because obviously man's hair and so I know if they can't they want proper food, right because girls over here give us the bad reputation. Bro. Yeah the food is nasty. They ain't even been I'm telling you, bro, anytime, any time, I chat to things over here, they say the food is nasty then in England. Ain't even been

You know what I'm saying, he's concreing stereo.

Yeah, yeah, we're saying now banging in it.

I think also like shows like Top Boy kind of give you that you Top Boy helped a lot. Yeah, you made an appearance on there too, Yeah, are you coming back for the final season.

I was just playing myself on that, right. I was just I was supposed to be one of the characters and that what happened. I can't act zero tolerance and I'm just not that okay. Sometimes you just got like if you're not good at sounds, just love it, bro. You know what I'm saying, it's not gonna work, right, you get me. So I just said, if you want, man, now play myself off. That's the best I can do.

What does actually with the music with a lot of female content, like talk about the ladies and you'll be real vulnerable.

You talk about horny ship, like why are you going away with the man?

Me talking about being horn is vulnerable and did I you love now?

I say, you don't mind going there? Like you you a thorough dude. Love you women, you put your emotions and let them know I love them like you know what I'm saying, Go and let them know you got me. That's you don't hesitate going there with a big.

Part of my life. You know what I'm saying, even the.

Respected respected.

I just knowing that.

You know a lot of rappers are scared to like show that side of my mind's like, that's that's where like that I'm Caribbean in it.

You know what I'm saying, Like like half Jamaican grenadeen and oh wow, you know what I'm saying that Jamaica and take pride in their performance. You know what I'm saying. Funny, it's true the classic songs that Bedroom Bully Shopper Rank. You know what I'm saying, Like the bedroom but he's he's saying that he's the bedroom bully. You know facts. You know what I'm saying, Like that's that's man's culture. Yeah.

Bully, gotta do it.

I gotta step up to that challenge. It seems like a lot of the stories are there, like based off real scenarios.

It was like, of course, yes, man's the truth, that's what there is. Well is the creative about yourself? It's an old biography of my life. Yeah, I mean no specific dates sometimes a biography.

Yeah, so who's the person at the end of Once in a Blue Funny Brother?

No?

Is that a real, real thing, a real.

It was like a real ta silent No, it's just like, like I said, a biography. Okay, the other things implying there's no excuse for you not to connect with him.

That's what you're trying to fly, right, There's literally no excuse.

We have to we have to accept that.

They tell the whole buckets.

Man, you keep fro Box my bridge and my manager. Yeah, so how you guys took up and like is he went to school and man still Box brother is my bridgmot that we was in the same year. That's my Bregs brother. You know what I'm saying that, But he's my manager, you get me. But even him, my little brothers in the same year as him in school. And then like his little sister, a couple of my other little brothers, they was in that year as well. Themarks about a couple in the same year. Yeah, yeah, so

He'd be managing from the beginning.

Not from the beginning, because he wasn't even the actor in the film direct direct movies and and and act and you know what I'm saying. That's that's more his world. But he used to rappers. Well, but but just you know what it was. It was just always doing the job I had like other managers, and but Buck was always there all the time. Like yeah, so it's just like this man's always doing a job, like for free, you might as well get paid for it, bro, Like

It's not just business.

Yeah, you know what I'm saying. If it's if we if we ain't working, its manned them. We're outside, Like.

Yeah, yeah, now you are outside and back in America. Are we going to have any tour dates?

Okay, okay, ready I need to I need to see America properly. That's the best way to see all of America as well, like that touring, you know what I'm saying, So, yeah, I'm ready for that one.

Are these certain cities that you want to hit up? Are you anteresting?

I ain't never been to that New Orleans, I haven't been to Texas that places like that, And I'm sure there's loads of our places. Yeah that's that DC. Yeah me, So you really haven't really performed here in America, not never, oh, never performed there. I fucking I could just about performing England in the beginning, you know what, I mean? To wait for ten years for that? So like it's not nothing, it's that it's cool, Like I'm patient. Oh wait, it's coming, you know what I'm saying.

So, because when you finally hit the road and do these shows like I gotta be at we gotta be at the first show, of course, but you're obviously going to showcase a new album dual Tolerance. But what is something like let's say two or three gigs classics that.

You know your day one fans. You're going to perform the.

Main classic talk and the hardest with a dischedule. The lockdow Dave. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, Man, shows already in London or like well in Europe, yeah, wherever, strict wherever, it's already an hour and a half that, you know what I'm saying.

So that's a challenge, right to incorporate the new music.

At the news, you know what I mean. But at the same time, I'm hungry to perform the new music. It's fresh, like what I'm saying, that's a new fresh energy, you know what I'm saying. So that mand them and that you know what I'm saying. Yeah, you might come out, Yeah i might cut like you know what it is like, Man, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, I'm excited, But right now I'm just that I'm not even in the rush for real. I'm just the whole thing, you know what

It feels good man, Like we're blessed that you took the time. Man, I appreciate it feels legendary. Bro, thank you so much.

We're not gonna wait other three years for the next time, right.

Good, I'm ready. I'm that project. I'm just I'm not even gonna have the projects cool where it was like, I can't even lie. I ain't even got started yet. Trust me.

Any specific goals you want to get done before the end of the.

Year, really really just just live in the moment. That's what we don't do enough the moment, you know what I mean, You just always I need to get to that. Even though that is good to want to get to you still got to live in the moment.

Appreciate the moment, so you have the mind like I made this body of work that I feel very proud of, and I see how people reacting to it, like I kind of want to stay stay here for a minute, and.

It's mad because it's like like here, really I'm kind of starting from scratch, you know what I'm saying that, So like now I'm kind of seeing like, like, man, this gig seems cold, is it? Yeah? You know what I'm saying, I'm actually seeing that like here when people are like, oh you got you got the new thing?

Put it on cool, Like yeah, that's how I feel like I feel like I've heard of you before and now I'm really connecting to you.

I heard you heard you was official.

But like with this project, I think it's the beginning of like the real connections with people in the states of like, Okay, this is who.

This guy is because before people might you might have known the name of it. You might know one song, say like I don't know, like a couple of people in this room. You might have heard it. You might have heard the gigs, but you might have km T. You might have heard talking the hardest. But there's no like connecting what everyone's heard to get you know what I'm saying. This is going to be This is the first time everyone listen at the same time, like, Okay,

Is it?

You know what I'm saying, Like you get me? No one's saying this all right, it's cold, bro.

Said this begin what was the record?

This meaning the song? No, I just said I ain't playing that, I'm playing that we can get along if.

So find out where you live.

The same song.

All the song, but you do you enjoy like that storty from scratch process though, I'm enjoying it, enjoying it.

Yeah, because I've seen it before in it. I've seen it before in England, like I've seen the ending we win. I'm saying, So, how can anytime you lose is when you give up like with anything facts? You know what I'm saying that if you keep moving forward, you can't lose nothing, you know what I mean?

Any more videos to.

But you know what it was here, like I wanted to, like I wanted everyone to hear the project in its entirely.

First with that secret.

Yeah, I didn't want to because I know, like, like my team is that my music? Is that a weird one? Like you like it or you don't? You know what I'm saying that, So I didn't want to. Like mand was cool with that because it's like that was just like hard, like no, howk you know what I'm saying. Yeah, body, and then you've got half blessing it like you know

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