Rap Radar: Freddie Gibbs & Lambo

since our origin. We started rap right on two thousand nine, and he's been a part of it ever since. What was the one you think you put me up? He had the long title, right Midwest Gangster Music, Cadillac Cadillac. It's like all one word, kind of like a play on the outcast join yeah, Catillac music. I think that's what it was. I'm not mistaken. And we decided to you know, Freddie is doing a lot of press promote this album. Um, we decided to have his Magic Lambo

joined us, right yeah. Lambo has been part of his journey ever since. You know what I'm saying, since the early days, and Um, I think it's only right that you know, he gets to speak and say his piece, you know. And Um, he has a lot of insight too. He's been all the major label system for a long time as well, so it's always good to talk to people that are behind the scenes and making things move. Yeah, they built a whole movement, man esgn Man, Man, we

have to be sn T shirts. Remember that's when we first I think one of the first times we connected with Freddy was probably like two thousand and maybe ten or twelve. I don't remember the exact date, but it was during the south By Southwest days and Um he had the E. S. G. N UM T shirts and we were wearing them down in south By in Austin, Texas. And I think it was also coincided at the time. On the Rap right Off website you probably still find um his prof his uh oh sports for the wrap

right up before the Wringer. You know what I'm saying. He was he was. He was a sports columnist and we did that every week. So you know, our ties are strong and he cares about your list though. Man, he liked this new album. With that album, I think I don't know where it's gonna land within the top ten, but I think it's gonna. I think it's gonna land somewhere, all right, man, So we're gonna get it to right now. Man,

we got gangs to gives. We gotta ma Gilambo. We're back at it man, double headed today, double ahead of Man. I gotta change clothes and go gott get ready for clanie. Yeah, rap right up podcasts, yes, sir, Yeah, rap rate up podcast Elliott will see what's good man, feel good because we know these guys from way back man, long time coming. I guess you could say that pioneers are helpful in this rap right off things. Yeah, Manmber, I like my name means spoken with pioneering. We got Lambo Man, super

manager extrad there Freddie gives gangs two gifts. We gotta make some more. We gotta make were gonna bring that. We're gonna bring those shirts back. We definitely people asked for them every day, so they were sold out and of course so so separately is out right now? Um, you know that was a line from your song Education of Bandanna. Right what what? What? When did you realize that was gonna be the title of this new project. Um, honestly, Uh, as soon as I wrapped that line was like my

next aime, I'm gonna call my this album that. So it's just just like but alfraid O came before it, so I was like kind of working on this and alfraid at the same time. So you know what, it worked out. It me to you, why did you what did you love that that line? And what is the symbol ast to you? Um, I was just feeling myself that day. I was like, oh, that's that that line so so severely. I was like, that's hard. Three three asses. I was like, yeah, I'm gonna make them a title

the album that. But you know, life's a gamble, you know what I mean, I'll take it. I definitely take a lot of risks, you know, every day, So you know, I wanted to kind of convey that message in the title of the album for sure. Yeah. I wasn't expecting that, like the whole casino thing, like go to real concept album with it, Like I don't even gamble my name, you get your drake on and stuff like bamble, I

don't sports bet, I don't do none of that. Ship need to be like I keep my life spend my money on stripper hopes tax here Hello, but that one kind of has like a trial cold quest feel like the Midnight Marauders with like the tour guide and the narration. Like was that kind of uh something that you were trying to convey. That's definitely a Lamba move right there, you know what I mean, he uh injected his creativity into it. You know, um, you know, he made it

real easy for me this time around. All I really had to do is just show up and wrap, you know what I mean. But he, uh, you know, he pretty much came with a lot of these concepts and you know, the music just made it, uh, you know, all come together. You know, they made it all stick. So I read someone you said it's like Aliens meets Casino. Yeah, definitely. You know, we like having these dope concepts with our projects because you know, we don't just want to just

give you some you know, disposable music. You know, I want you to you know, actually feel this. You know, we gotta make it as tangible as possible. You know, how did you land on that Lambo like whomen you come up with some of the casino ideas and I mean we were in Vegas. I think for Dan Vegas, we had already started the album and we had kind

of been throwing it. We already had the title and everything, but we're in Vegas, and I think it just hit us like probably like three in the morning, you know, just like Vegas Casino. We had talked about like an Illuminati like selling your soul type of thing, you know, UFOs in Vegas an Area fifty one, and it kind

of just all came together. And like you said, the Midnight Marauders thing, that was definitely something we thought about more of like paying homage, but also it was like Quemini and Alien eight Aliens, and it's like kind of just being kids of the nineties, We're used to like albums being experiences, and I feel like as time passes that gets more and more lost as it's all very

digital and like like first week it's over. So I think like we wanted to give people like a world to like kind of reside in, almost like a movie, you know what I mean, more so than just like an album. I was wondering coming off, like you said, use sort of classic albums with mad Lib and then Alchemists, Like now you're doing this major label thing is your album you're not doing one producer like to find that sort of structure of what the album is gonna be like,

and you know you tease it. It's for years in some sense of that by that skid at the end, like what was that journey like putting this album together for you? Uh? I mean the whole thing was a journey. I had to make those albums to make this one. You know. If I didn't make um Pin YadA Bandana and Alfredo and all of that, then, uh, I wouldn't have been able to make this because those you know, taught me a lot of lessons along the way on

you know, how to make a class album. So I was like, all right, one thing I had to do is I had to kind of like I had to shake the stigma of that I can only like make a classic album with one producer. So that was my goal, you know what I mean. Um, But like I said, those albums, you know, train me to make this one. So um, it all like to to me, you know what I mean, it's just all coming full circle with Triple Us. I think that's the best album I ever made,

you know what I mean? Um, Like I said, not taking nothing away from nothing that I did in the past. But I think you know, it ain't a lot of guys that like make the best projects like this late in their career. You know, you've been on an independent circuit for years, you know, like this was being released, Like what made it so? Like what what what was

so attractive with doing business with them? It was Norvay for the most part, you know what I mean, shout out the NORTHA he really uh put that play together, you know, because you know me and Lambo, it didn't really you know, make a difference you know to us, like uh how it was coming out. You know, it kind of did, but it didn't. You know, we got Grammy nominated, you know what I mean, like just us doing us so you know they don't really Uh. I think the key is just you know, just just making

a product and working with good people. And we work with a lot of good people over there, and you know we were formed a lot of good relationships, so it worked out for the best. But I know you had a lot of version towards labels in the past, right, even getting alcohol restaurants. Um, I don't think it was an aversion so much as like We're so used to doing it ourselves, and we kind of figured out our own way to do things, and we realized we were doing it at the same level as a lot of

people that had these big deals. So it kind of had to be like, how can you help enhance us more than like get in the way of it, because I've seen so many artists be independent and go to a big corporation and you can tell it gets messed up from the jump. Like I told Julian and NorVa and everybody like that can't happen because we've built too much good will with our fans to let that happen.

And they were very like helpful as far as just like do what you want to do, you know what I mean, Like we made now and we wanted to make Like Freddy's not holding his tongue. It's not like he's not being political like in a in an industry way. It's like this is me, you know what I mean. It's the album I would have made as a independent artist. Maybe I have more budget now to make it, but that was super important to us. And R is alcohol and rest of all, you know what I mean, Like

what are A and R is doing? These days, they definitely are finding talented signing, but taking you to dinner and they're taking you out to drink. So that's a nice it's ready. Hell yeah. We gotta say if someone puts that our T shirt, rap Radar Freddy gives me like a percentage, Yeah, that's on. I got that. You know, you guys had a lot of success. Like I said on an independent circuiting. I even read in Rolling Stone fred that you felt like you can pay your career

to the box of Marvin Marvin Hagler. Yeah, definitely, Like why is that? I was watching um a documentary on Showtime with it was like it was like four Kings or something something like that. Like, uh, Marvin Hackler's story was probably the most compelling to me because it was just like, man, he was so good and like everybody was like scared to fight him, but he could never get you know, title shots, you know what I mean, he have to fight, Like it was one fight that

he fought. I think it was something like a Sugar Ray Leonard made ten million and he made like you know what I'm saying, and it's like, yeah, he was on the under card and he's like, damn, I gotta fight this motherfucker, you know what I mean, to to get to that level, so I should be fighting sugary, you know what I mean. And in the end, I think that uh, he started getting the success you know with the Belts later on in his career, but you know, he proved to be a real sturdy boxer man, and

he was one of the greats. Man. It just you know, he had to his journey was just different than all the rest of the guys, you know, so you feel like you kind of had to go through the yeah, man, you know what I mean. It's I definitely had. My career path is definitely a unique one when it comes to a rapper, you know what I mean, especially me

trying to find my way. Um, and you know the early two thousands times when the rapper is probably a little bit more I'd say geographical, you know what I mean, like where you are from, and you know, things of that nature they mattered, you know. And I'm from a

little ass small town. So it was just like you know, now, you know, you can be a superstar on the ind and I don't even know where rappers be from now They from the internet, what dude, from It maybe like like I was like, damn, like where it's like trippy red from Like I don't even know you know what I'm saying, Like, but I love the music, you know what I'm saying. I think that uh, Internet and all of that type stuff, it took that out of rap,

you know what I mean? And I just had to just go through a lot of different errors to still you know, be here. But you know, you gotta adapt, you know, the game changes, you know, um, the way we package of music changes, the way we sell it, the way we you know, um bringing it across the way we present it. Like everything goes through a cycle. You know. I think right now we just we're in a high volume shooter rap, you know, and it's like you damn you got you gotta put a lot of

music out to satisfy the beast. You know. You took it back on space wrap it up? You said, I remember when I used to want to be in G unit I did. I was like, Yo, how could I get into you don't have anybody for Gary? Yeah? Where do I apply? I don't do this? You know? I mean that was like, I mean, you know, that was a real inspiring time. That was when I first started rapping in that era. So you know, like I said, I always get a love for fifty cent because he

definitely inspired my career. You know what I'm saying. Were he is? It was, you're one of my favorite rappers all time for sure. Do you think he sounded like Buck at that time? You know, I don't think I did. I think that probably because we maybe it was a little country you know what I mean, They probably heard that when I talked a rap, but I didn't. I don't think that I sound like I was from Tennessee.

I was just like that, damn mean, I know, I got my family down there ship, but I was like, now I don't sound like them country as news, But what did you hear when you first heard of gives? Like people that may not know like his demo that I found on this website Southwest connection dot com, super random website. Because I was I was bringing my bosson interscope. I was at Berkeley. I was intern so I would be at school during the school year in the summer

being the office. But he was like, find me a rapper who's not from l A, New York, Atlanta, Chicago, And I was like, all right, this is like a puzzle, you know. So so I brought him like a chamillionaire Mike Jones all that stuff. No, I brought him. I brought him a bunch of stuff, all this stuff from the Bay because I was in the Bay. Um nothing little b I was like, you signed him as a solo artist. There's like two thousand five, No bring him.

Freddie found him on Southwest Connection dot com. It was like a demo and he was rapping on the Allen iverson Jewels Beat. He was dissing Chingy or somebody. And then he had another song. I think you'd only been rapping for like four months. He sounded like Timberland on another song. But there was like but he but I was like, damn, he has like he could really he had like really wrapped. He was like super lyrical. He had like a crazy flow and you could tell it

was raw. You know what I mean, He'll say the same thing everything. There was something about it, like he had a really strong voice. And there was a picture of him when he was one of Jackson throwback jersey and he had two pistols in his back pocket, you know, and his waist band. This is crazy. I was like Gary Indiana and you know Michael Jackson. Like what I didn't know about Gary. I didn't know how crazy it was. Um My boss signed him, you know. I sent him

like a demo. I put kind of put together certain songs and then they hit him and he thought it was a joke. I was like, what the fund is this? I was like, ye'all call him me and I was like, yeah, right, this is the height of interscope, right. I was like flating me in my homie out tomorrow and it was like, all right, this is shady aftermath gun falls out and then you know, like a saying like a span of like four to five months, we probably had a situation. I was just like, and I don't think we met

for like a year. We did. He was still in school and I was just in. I think we were talking like instant Messenger. We're talking on instant Memester every day on a OL talking about that on Black in the Room. You had bars back when Lambo had the c DR demo in the CDR, Do you remember what was on that demo? Like some of the songs nothing good, you know what I'm said, But it was enough to like, like I said, to get his attention and for him

to see the the talent was there. You know, Um, I think that, you know, uh still to this day, I'm still growing as an artist and still learning how to do different things and and um, you know musically, that's why this album my best album because I'm you know, I'm at my best, you know, be at a bit my peak, you know, and I'm gonna you know, continue to keep you know, getting better at it. I don't I don't think that. I don't see myself falling off.

I think I can master the art and I've fallen off because I think I can do this for a long time, masterfully for for a while, right, Because you gotta think about, like how many artists, like seventeen years into their career are at their best, you know what I mean, and getting better, Like I don't think that. I don't know if that's ever appumed student of the game,

you know what I mean, like top to bottom. You know, I'm in the car listening, you know, like I said, I just got done list and called that black album, you know that ship hard. I was listening to that

in the car. So it's like, you know, I'm students of this ship I'm studying and then I'm looking at it, and you know, I know what I gotta do, you know, so I gotta kind of know what everybody else doing too, you know what I mean, not to um copy it or anything of that nature, just to be aware, you know what I means, Like I just compare a raptor like sports. You know, if niggas in the league is shooting.

If everybody in the NBA shooting threes, you gotta shoot threes two or you're gonna lose, you know, because it's going a hunting and forty points in a game, you know what I mean. So if you don't score a hunting forty points and you only get in a hunted. But don't you have to be larry of those trends. I saw you tweeted something, but you definitely survived the CD ever, the mixtape over, the bloggirl, the iTunes ever, streaming ever by being different. If you see a trend,

run the other way correct. But you also, like you said, I survived all those airrors by adapting though, you know what I mean, Like, you can't chase every trend, but you definitely got like I said, you gotta adapt to the game. You know what I mean, the game is gonna change around. You are You're gonna be out of it. You know, you're gonna be done. You know what trends

do you see happening now? Um, Like I said, I think the game is going towards just like high volume a lot of albums out in the year per artist type thing, you know what I mean. I think the um, the experience of the of the music is you know, like I said, it's becoming like you know, it's one and done, like over and done. We're real quickly, it's

real disposable, you know what I mean. So I took them back that I think that you just gotta just um just have like you know, dope, you know, like rollouts and things of that nature that that that make the project and experience. And I think you can you can still high volume shooting and still do that at the same time. This is just it just gotta be

a way to tie everything together, you know. I mean, if you're gonna put out three albums in the year, I think that you just gotta make them tie together some kind of way. And you know, but it can be done masterfully correctly. I thought it was interested with this album, and I think, like you're getting major label and they see you in the studio with Farrell, and like, oh, Freddy's gonna give it all the big producers and you're gonna try these different sounds. And then we get the album.

It's pretty much the elevated essence of Freddy Gibbs, Like, yeah, I just really, um, I let every producer and every rapper on the album. You know, I kind of I set the tone, you know, for what I wanted, and you know they kind of you know, I kind of like brought them into my world. To be honest, you know, I did what needed. Um, I'll put the clothes on

and fit me, you know what I mean. Like I didn't go and try to, you know, do somewhere something oversize, Like you know, I tailor made this thing to me, you know what I mean. If it was a producer that I worked with, I worked with him until I got what was needed to complete this, you know what I mean. And that's that's how it went. Is a

dream that people seem like they really connected. When you get real dark or introspective and you know, bear be a better pain the soul and go through the tough you know, tell talk about tough times, to talk about tough betrayal and experiences like that in your music. I feel like that that's like, to me, some of your strongest content. Yeah, definitely, definitely, man Um, you gotta dig deep, you know what I mean. Like I said, you know, you gotta give my life like an open book, man,

you know what I mean. And ship Ship have been open for years, so I just might as well just like you know, let it all hey out on the record. You know this this thing is therapeutic for me. So that's that's that's you know, the of course I used it to make money, but it's also you know, it's it's good for my soul to let, you know, let these emotions and things out and through the music. And it's hard to listen to that back on it with no I was just bumping my ship on the plane.

The girl asked me that, she was like, you don't be feeling weird listen, you know, I'm like, hell, turn that up stream me. But that was a hard night when you said a lot of ship. It broke my heart, but it fixed my vision. Yeah, that's that's the powerful line. Yeah, that's just a part of growing up, you know what I mean, Like, you know, you're gonna see a lot of things that you know might hurt you a little bit,

but you know it's helpful. At the same time, I saw that you said you were an adult place recording this album too, right, Yeah, definitely, man, um, Yeah, for sure, definitely. I was going through a lot. I was having a baby, my daughter right now, she's about turned too, So that was going on like during UM this time, and it was like totally unexpected. So it was just like you know what I mean, like damn another you know what I mean. So that right there was kind of you know, um,

a tough thing to deal with. UM. You know, you know, I lost a couple of close friends in that time period. I was shooting a movie, you know, like you know, learning how to you know, act, you know, on the spot, you know what I mean, and really digging into that role and you know, trying to perfect that as well as as well as recording this album, you know what I mean, in the middle of a pandemic as well. Like I couldn't even go in the delivery room when

my daughter was being born because of the COVID. You know, it was like either me or or her mother, you know what I mean. So it was just it was you know, it was definitely a tough time. But I think that you know, um God sorted it out the correct way and let me, you know, put it out into music. So I'm happy about it. So that you rereleased Triples as a deluxe and you put out the Triple S exercises on their like Manaity and all the other like the joint that you did over nas this project. Yeah,

that was one of our favorites. Why do you decide to do that just because they felt like they didn't get the shine that they deserve. That's record label tactics make. It's like it's like streaming the hotel team. It's like housekeeping all the laundries everywhere, that's all put it in one basket, you know what I mean. So it's like you might have heard the album not heard the Lucy's called Premium Lucy's, you know what I mean? Right, these

Lucy's might be better than somebody else's album. It's like with the streaming errors, like ship, I could rerock Triple S like three times. I might like two or three versions of this motherfucker. You won't triple as blah blah blah. You know what I mean, Like the bonus, the triple Deluxe. What you want, tuples? What you want? You know what I mean? Like we re rocked this motherfucker a couple of times. That's a good thing about you know, Like I said, just how volume music you there? You know

what I mean? Like I can make three new songs tomorrow and you're like, hey, you want this version. It can be changing their album and they had come out and ship like that. So it's just like you know, it's it's you know, I love it. Also got it like you talk about the new versions. He also would kind of like pay homage to the old version of songs. There's a lot of interpolation on this project, like Strife the Code. It like you're interpolating bone Thugs for decent

How we do? Was that your intention to kind of take those old joints and kind of repackaged them. Oh yeah, I mean it show you where I come from musically, and show you what I listened to. It show you like I said that, I'm a student of the game. You know what I mean? You see you hear that in the music, Um, you're a fan of that stuff and you're like, Okay, I see where he's going with that.

And I feel like another thing that I'm doing is paying homagen and showing like younger guys you know what that stuff is they because so they hear me said and they hear it on another record and they're like, oh damn, that's where he got that from. This was this you know, we all you know all this music.

Ship sticks together, you know what I mean. So I was having a conversation with my big homie, Richie rich from the Bag and he was like, oh, yeah, of course, and he was like, man, you know what you know, are we so good at why you're so good at rapping? And why we do this ship to perfection like this? And then I was like wow. He was like, because we was raised on music. We weren't raised don't wrap, you know what I mean. Like a lot of guys these days to do are guys they kind of raised

don't wrap, you know what I'm saying. So you know I think that uh, just like even with the stuff Puffle was saying when he was saying that ship like R and B is dead and then us she got out of his ass. I was liking that. I like us. She got his ass because the truth like us. I said, like everything comes from wrap. It wouldn't be no wrap without the R and B, you know what I mean, and stuff like that, so you know, all of this stuff comes together, you know what I mean. I remember

I used a on the bandanna. I used like a MASTERP line or something like that. They got on my ass master P hit Yeah, I said, uh on the intro freestyle some ship, I said, don't hit the trap. I don't gotta my we having so close, that's about it. Or no limited records hit my like don't live a studio. Ye. Yeah, I'm just homage brom like I'm just playing hobmarg bro. But don't you know what I mean? But tweaking of puff though you didn't. He didn't like when you paid

homage and gold rings. I heard you said he didn't like it. Yeah, yeah, that's puff my nigger that he just he was. I was letting him hear the album earlier and he was like, I don't like that song. And I was like, like, he was, like, you're talking about the bitch on the song. Too months is too long, it's a story. I was like, he was buff was drunk man, This is yeah, he probably hear it now, you know what I'm saying. So, but your did this thing on that song Ship, that's like one of the

verses of the Yea absolutely talk about paying homage. I saw on Twitter you shouted out a lot of people from Gary and and for the Midwest. I think you're definitely like the biggest rapper out of Indiana, but you also said the family Indian Hell, you know, got grand family tucked out C C. C A, Rick Jiller and the guyfather Finger. Like why was important to like pay how much of those guys? I mean, you know, Ship, they showed me that you can make rap music coming

from where we're from. Those the first guys that had like packaged up c d S music things of that nature. So I was just like, damn, you know, if they could do that, then we're stopping me from doing that. So, you know, it was that was the inspiration right there. You know, Yeah, your father is the one to introduced you to wrap though, right yeah, hell yeah, my dad, Yeah, shout out by that. My dad introduced me to all forms of music period. If if I was if he

was listening to it, I was listening to it. But yeah, really gangster rapper show like that Nigga was bumping Ghetto Boys. Uh, ice Cube kill that wheel. That's probably like that Nigga favorite tape that Nigga was bumping and ship every day. I'm not gonna you keep listening to this ship every day. And we was bumping um ghetto Boys. That was like the first tape that he got me. And I head

a little walkman. Damn, I'm showing my motherfucking age. I had a walkman a disk and then I had a a zoomy Yeah, he got me the Ghetto Boys tap and I remember because I was I was scared of that ship. We can't be stopped, we can't be stocked because it was a midget on the motherfucker with his ass shout out Bushwick Bill. I'm like, what the funk? So it was like, you know, their motherfucker's was like my scarface WILLI D and Bushwick was like comic book

characters or something like that. But it was like real life ship that was going on, you know what I mean. And I was like, that's why you know ship. I've been hooked on on a music you know, since Ship fourth grade so we both bonded over. Really originally was ghett if you're from Gary in Chicago area, like scarfaces like god to you. You know what I mean, well from my era, you know what I mean? Like that

was like he set the standard of rapp. It's like he like he the best gangster rapper ever of all time. So it's like, all right, you can get Then Barra was car facing, Yeah you got uh, you got you know you got some? Is that why he's out of the closes the record with the coded always. I mean, anytime I can get a chance to wrap with Brad,

I'm gonna rap with him. You know. That might have been his last verse when I he even though he was on the album, because he did he forgot got that call, I got got the car, I got the fucking call. He said, what the funk am I doing? He's like, what does this ship? I'm on your album? I was like, we did that ship like a year ago, and I'm putting it out. He was like, no, no, I didn't. I'm done rapping, man. I want you to

think niggas think I'm out of retirement. Man, You're gonna have niggas calling me to get versus a ship man. I'm like, man, all right, man, I'll take it off. And then he was like, yeah, take that shipt off. I ain't cleared it, did He called me like an hour later he was, Oh, yeah, yeah, I forgot bro. You're right, Bro. I love man. That's that's going back to your father, you know. Congratulations, congratulations him he beat cancer. Yeah,

definitely talked about that on the project. I know you guys were strange for long time, Like has your relationship gotten back? Yeah? We're good now, you know, Like you know, that's just growing up as me and you know, you know, taking you know, different paths and just being you know, on my own, you know what I mean. And but we're good though. Me and my dad we ain't never not like this. You know. We could be mad at each other, that's that's anybody in the family. But we

never not like this. We never locked in if it ain't you know, if if it want for him, it wouldn't you know me, so you know we all you know, we can we can disagree, agree to disagree. Being he's a singing the shotlights. You've been ahead of his shows now, you know what you know before. But I need to go to some recent ones. Man, it's you know, I've been so busy, but uh, they're about to be doing like some residency thing in Vegas, so I'm about to be popping up to that. Man. I love seeing my

dad do his thing. Man, it's you know, that's always, you know, been his dream, you know, and I feel like he put a lot of his uh musical stuff to the side, you know, the struggling, you know, try to raise his kids and you know, just being in Gary, Indiana and you know, so it's I think God that God put me on the path have to do this because you know, I feel like my dad kind of living it through me too, So I love that for him.

Then Mom's made an album too. At the end of Grandmother the old Don't Reminder Dog, she already tees off of that Walkers, I'm like, damn, yeah, I'm like, you want to do it? Yeah, when my album coming out, might as well make out. Man, body Bager, what do you or you know what about Lebron James. Man, I saw he's bumping the project too. That's crazy. Everybody was like, how about you pay Lebron? Dude that said how to pay a billionaire? They don't have enough body to get

him to do nothing right. So I mean, he just genuinely liked the music. And it's crazy because I saw him during Super Bowl and I don't think he liked my music. I didn't know, you know what I'm saying, Like, but we both me and West niggas, so he kind of knew something. I don't know. But he'd be bumping Nigga's music and I'd be like, why are you bumping that? Turn the ship off, Lebron. But you know, I don't know he with the music, do you know what I'm saying.

So when he told me a super Bowl fun with first of all the niggas, huge, a huge human being. I was standing behind me. I was like, what, Like, I'm not no little nigga, you know what I'm saying. So, motherfucker that guard gang you with nigga like that? You're like, hey, yeah, you know I like the music, Like, thank you, glad, glad you do, sir. But yeah, I love Lebron for that. I appreciate them for that for real. It's Dean Warwiker fan.

I saw you and her on the plane. Man. I see that picture to my mom and she was like that was like, man, Like I sat down after her. We was both on the plane, and I was like, man, I don't even want to It was just a coincidence. Y was sitting together and we were just sitting in first class, sitting together, and I was like, damn, I'm sitting it to I didn't even want to bother her. She said something to me like I don't know, asked me to grab something for put the bag up, and

then that's the conversations just sparked. And I just se of course that's the pres for wark Man, like, you know, I had to. I was just soaking up whatever she was saying. I just sat and listen. I didn't even I didn't say a word, you know. I was just totally polite and just you know, glad to be in her presence. Man. That was that was That was amazing. What's the conversation about? I ain't telling you all that this podcast. I didn't even really tell her I was.

I even did music. Man was really just talking about like life stuff with her. I didn't say, I'm just what I looked like, how then I look promoting myself to she could be like, oh yeah, baby, I'm gonna stream that thing. I was just like, man, I'm yeah, I'm just a young man from She obviously knew I was the well to do nigga. I'm sitting in first class. I have to tell ship. You know what I'm saying. Yeah,

I'm up here doing my thing. You know what I mean, you're able to do, like to go back to jury a little bit leavel like, how do you think you look back at it now? Like how did you guys overcome all the adversity? Because you know, I'll just talk about being blackballed, right, but it's you niggers are black ball.

You're looking at the black ball. I was just saying, like Freddie gives the Lamp of Claire, they were definitely black ball to his business, but you overcame it, Like I think, I just don't even know if he was black ball. Thing. Just certain niggas in position just didn't like us. And that's fine, you know what I mean. You don't gotta like me as long as you respect me. You don't even gotta respect me like that black said,

just don't disrespect you know what I'm saying. So it's it is what it is, man, I don't I don't regret none of the things that we had to do to get where we're at, you know what I mean, because it made us, It made us smarter, and made us better business man and made a lot of things that people that took a different route don't know, you know what I mean, And they might know things we don't know. But it's like we just we kind of off roaded a little bit, you know what I mean.

It's all about timing, you know what I mean, Like, nigga, it's my time. You know what I'm saying. You can't ready, so we're gonna say you back. And you think you weren't. You don't you were ready, but you weren't doing a freshman cover. If he had gotten some deal back, then we had to put out his his debut, we wouldn't have know what to do. I was still working at stone Strow, he was still doing whatever he was doing. We were running around like trying to get people to

pay attention. It's like I feel like as time passed, a lot of people fell off, a lot of new people popped up, and like we kept going yeah, like that low and slow. Like it's like there's a lot of fast food restaurants but we just kept cooking, kept fixing our recipe, and then here we are and it's like it's just time. People are ready for now. They

weren't ready for it back then. Is that the thing about perspective, Like even the way you talk about jeez now and how you reflected on that, like, is it's just time and perspective that now you look back and you're like, Okay, I was angry, but I understand why I was angry, And yeah, I was like what the

fun was I doing? You know what I mean? Like you know, you know during that I regretted that ship the whole time that was going on, you know, like who want to be and like, uh, in adversity with that one of their favorite rappers, you know, like this is a guy that I look up to, amy highly admire. You know, I didn't want to be and you know, in a have an issue with him at all. I

ain't want that at all. But at the same time, I didn't want to be a bit you know, I didn't want to look small, you know, And maybe that was um that that that train of thought, of that form of thinking was probably immature to me at that time. I'm mad enough to look back and be like, yeah, you know what I mean. I could have really just shut the funk up and put my head down and kept doing I was gonna get here anyway. This ship

was written, you know what I mean. Um, and I learned that a lot in the game, you know what I mean. I shouldn't have burnt that bridge then. But you know, I'm glad that you know, we're in a cool space now, we're cordial. That's great. That's all that matters. That you wrote that verse down before you I ran into him or was it, uh, yeah, you already recorded. Yeah, that was already done before I even seen him in the airport. So I wasn't you know, it wasn't awful

or the experience. I was just like, you know, I gotta I kind of gotta say this, you know what I'm saying on this album. I can't wait no longer, you know, because they gotta come out like now, you know. So that's how I felt, And I felt good to get that ship off your chest, you know what I mean, Because nigga beating with often goddamn young jeezy fans. Nigg you like you woke that fuck you you like like I love jeez, even like through the ship. You know,

I never stopped bumping the music. I never stopped hard to got it's hard. I love he's really his fire like that, and you know, and like you know, it shows, you know what I mean, Like like you said, he getting back in his bag, and you know it was it was times where I didn't know if he was on that saying you know, jeezy ship again and I was wrong, you know what I mean for not thinking that, But I think definitely on this ship. And you know he wanted the greatest all time. And I salute him,

you know, forever. You know what I mean, No matter what, he don't gotta say a word to me, you know what I mean. But I'm always gonna, you know, pick him up any chance I get now because you know, he was a part of my journey. You know, I told him about that journey. Having like someone like lanmdbou in your corner as your manager voice of reason has

always been important to you. And oh hell yeah, got that wasn't my question A full head of hair before Black Uminati talked about you were in a car accident, right, yeah, can you talk about that? I got a craction like twenty I think, and yeah, it was bad. It was bad. Both my shoulders. I got metal plate to my shoulders. Wow, that's probably one of the worst days of my life too, because it's like I'm like, fuck, damn, how am I

gonna do this ship alone? You know what I mean? Like, I don't even know if I want to do it if he's if he is badly hurt. You know the lyric you said, if he didn't survive, this thing could

have been over. I probably would have went back in the streets what I'm saying, doing what I had to do, because it's like, I don't know, not for nothing, man, like this this is my best friend, you know what I mean, Like just somebody that I talked to every day and work with, Like I I talked to this person every day when I wake up, So for him to be in that situation like hurting like that, I'm like, damn, Like what do I you know that really mentally? You know,

took a toll on me as well. You know, I know it was a physical thing for him. But I was just like, damn, man, like I don't know. I wouldn't do it with nobody else but him. What happened Lambo, someone hit you or I had a seizure while I was making a left turn. I never had another seizure. It's like one time thing. I think it was dehydrated or something. Wow, and someone's in the car so they grabbed the wheel and turn the car. But that crashing like a fire hydrant stain. Yeah, Britain. I was just

at lunch and uh yeah it was bad. I woke up in the stretcher. Oh wow, yeah it's Tony. So you have two metal plates. Must be a bit through the airport, right it Actually it doesn't really say anything off. I got a car from the doctor, so you didn't get anything through. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. After Lamb got in the accident, it was sucked up because like that same day, I ain't gonna say nigga's names, but it was niggas hit me like, oh, who gonna

manage you? Now? I'm like, damn bitch ass niggers already putting already like you shitty ass niggas. You know who the funk you is? And when I see y'all, I don't be having no holler for y'all. Lambo might speak to y'all. But I'll be like, fu nig I'm always court you. Yeah, he's a good, bad, non confrontational. You don't want to know. That's really imported to say, how do you manage that? When Freddie gets into a situations, I feel like, where's Lambo and how does Lambo stay with?

It's like it's like you gotta separate the pimp from the bun. What we do? We we just we That's why it works, though we live differently. It's like, but then you see when this motherfucker get mad and I gotta play the night last time Freddy job, but we do the negotiations. He beat a dog, he people, you know what? Fuck you motherfucker's that's like Freddy week. I'm telling him. I'm like, hey, I don't know. You know how these guys are man, this high strong man. He's

on that coffee man, you know that coffee? Do those beans? I don't know matter, you know how he is? Man, Just just give him to give him a couple of days bad so, but how do you have those tough conversations with each other? Like it doesn't be doing it for man to chill out and get off the phone. Back to right back. We don't never be like that. You know'm not trying to stop stop what we're doing over something like that. But we don't lie to each other.

If we don't like something, we just be like, oh him, I hate I feel the vibe. I'd be like, he'd be like, I'll be like, uh, you know when I don't want to do some ship like like but he knows when it's been official for me because I know he's not gonna bug me about some ship that has not beneficial, like okay, like case in point, uh painting strife on the album he gave me that beat at the beginning of the process, Love to be amazing as fuck.

I didn't know what I could do to it. I was like, man, I don't know that, ain't I ain't that ain't giving me what I need right now? Leave me alone. He kept bugging me with this fucking every every fucking day to the last day we was doing and I did and I was like, oh this, so you know what I mean? So you know he ain't gonna he ain't gonna bugg Yeah, he's gonna you know, he's gonna definitely make this point on like, yo, man, we need to do this. So but one final question

not been level. Does Freddie's lifestyle concerned you at times? I mean, this is my friend brother, so I just wanted to be safe and healthy, like he gotta live his way and I gotta live my way. Like he's an adult. I can't hit him every time he says something I don't agree with. He's not gonna hit me if he doesn't agree with it is what it is, like we're different people, but that's what works, you know. It's it's like I said, like first of Fat Boys break up. Every day I wake up to see what

he said on Twitter? Freddie, why do you why social media is such a such a challenge for you? Like why do you why do you love to start things up in that? You made me? Seeing handicap such for you? It's not anymore. He's back on Instagram? Are you back? I got my Freddie Gibs back, amazing. No one's ever got an account back besides you. Fred Zach Fox Okay, he's worse than met Zack Fox, fucking treacherous dog on social media and he's with me and then they let

you get your crazy man. Since I've been in Instagram jail for three years dog like, let me out, I that did it? That made you get backward? I see it when I shot at them bastards out cracking some graminade. That's that's that's a song. They took it out of context and gave it back. Get it back, Zuckerberg. The metaverse. Y'all, look, nigga,

I'm kicked off Facebook. But you can see to yourself, like you know, I think you're a troll, right, you just had like to have fun with this these mediums and things like they have fun, you know what I'm saying, and like make jokes and comedian it'd be funny. Ship niggas getting mad and I understand it sometimes you know what I mean, I get it, but you know it's me. I'm not gonna stop gearing me, you know what I mean,

Like it's certain ship. I draw the line there like I ain't gonna talk about your kids or you know, no ship like that. But like anything else, say nothing off limits, man, because do you feel like most rappers won't do that? Is that's so so part of it, Like you're like you're crack on somebody because like most rappers that if they make a joke about me back, I'd be like, Okay, hell to the roast battle at

the common story, everyone's roasting each other. Yeah, I don't give a funk about no ship like that sometimes on him and be like, you know, not everything is else. Motherfucker's just take themselves too seriously that days. You know what's say a rappers, They just everybody just like to like, you know, so serious. That's just I'm like, why, you know, Okay, if y'all want me, if y'all want me to be I'm the easiest motherfucker to beef with in the rap game.

It's like it's like, motherfucker's like like to use it for promo because they know I'm gonna say something back to their motherfucking ass. You know what I'm saying. And I don't give a fuck. You know what I'm saying because like I love everybody. At the end of the day, we've always to be a nice man. I love everybody man, you know what I mean. We all you know, young black men being prosperous the one what you gotta do? You know in this thing. Um, it's gonna be disagreements

and discrepancies you know along the way. Uh. I hate when they get violent, you know, because niggas die and stuff like that. I don't love that end of it, you know what I mean. But at the same time, I don't go around, I don't perpetuating the violence. You know what I'm saying. I think that you know, a lot of that come my way because you know, when you this that in the third you know, everybody want to see it. They want to test it, they want to see it in three D, you know what I mean.

Like and like I said, I hate that end of it. But and this thing that we're doing with with rap music and this this whole hip hop thing, Like, man, this ship is very very dangerous, you know what I mean. It's a very dangerous profession to be in. You know what I mean. It's just like ship last what we just had another death, you know what I mean? Like that is that that's sickening, you know what I mean.

To see, you know, somebody that you know, made something of himself, made a Hall of fame rap career, you know, and he can't even celebrate it no more. And I mean all because of some some petty ship you know. And you know, I just look at that situation and look at it. You know, a lot of the situations

that I've been in and overcame. You know, that could have easily you know, then me, you know what i mean, Like look at and and then the fun part about all of this ship and in this rapping game is just like you've got two choices with this ship, embarrassment

or death. Now, with that incident, it just happened. If somebody would have beat him up or something, maybe took pieces of his jury or something like that, y'all niggas will be making memes about that nigga to day up he oh wow, academic, Oh ship, look at him, he got robbed just this, it would be a fucking me. But he died. Oh you know what I'm saying, Like it's like Nigga embarrassed the funk out of me because I all want to death, you know what I'm saying.

But as a motherfucking rapper, as a enter time, especially as a rapper, that's the two fucking choices you've got, embarrassment or death, you know what I'm saying. Because if you would have gave it up, y'all be laughing at him. He and b Rock would have just gave it up, y'all. Probably would have been laughing at him. You have been calling him a sucker, a bitch. You don't know what

the funk that ship due to a nigga psyche. You gotta get up every day on social media and look at that ship that you think he a bitch could be trying. What the fun you think he might do after that? He might hurt somebody or go out there and get hurt again. So, man, you know what I'm saying, Like nigga, we really gotta you know, with this rap ship, we really got to start corraling each other, really you know, ship, taking each other in and really being a community. Man,

you know what I mean, Because we're not. We all against each other. We got our own worst enemy. Dude. I feel like raps a genre we don't celebrate longevity. We don't like in rock music and other genres where it's like it's great to be Neil Young or or Bruce Springsteen or somebody like it's it's cool to be old, you know what I mean. But in rap, it's like you're popping, and when you're not popping, it's like you're done, you know what I mean. But why can't a rapper

be doing stuff till they're seventy. You know what I mean. I see you on tour of the Gorillas now right, I'm trying to get I'm about tould be a fucking rock star. This rap ship man wrap. Nobody fighting that, no rock concerts, You don't shootout after the show. Ain't none of that, you know what I say. Nobody get robbed. Ain't embarrassing to me. But I don't know. I'm good. I will wrap with them motherfuckers all day long, real all day so so just doing spot dates with them.

Hopefully we're about to put that together though Norway. Yeah, Man, I go into it with guns and roses. Nick, I don't give a fuck. Let's do this show. We've we've always done stuff outside the box, Like we were always embracing other genres and like alternative audiences and media and stuff since the beginning. It was by design. You know when you had that, uh, the incident overseas in Europe. You know, um during the case, Uh you had a lyric that you said something about the war that put

you in the whole for not rapping for the guards. Yeah, so I was in um what Jill was the safe Jill And like South France or whatever, and then like the French like they walked me up one night and it was it was like three go to the CEOs and he was just outside the sale, just like on a phone googling me or whatever the funk. And I was like, oh, yeah, they were wrapping. They was trying to make it. Yeah. They was like freestyle. I was like, what, nigga.

I felt like this was like some straight sambo Jim Crows like ship my nigga. I was like, they was like, yeah, freestyle right now. I was like, do you even speak English? I was like, sucking my dick, nigga speak speak Englishe was convenient for them. You know what I'm saying when you want to talk to them. I mean you they like you know what I'm saying, like, but they speak English when they need to speak it to you when they want to get their point across to your black ass. Hey, nigga,

guess what, rap nigga. You understand that you know what I'm saying. And I was like, no, y'all, nigga, suck my dicky said, oh, suck your dick the whole put my ass in the hole. Like you Still they kept coming you still want to suck dick. I said, yeah, sucking my dicky, y'all. He was at the French Hole. The French hole. That sounds definitely was in the hole. It's it's it's the same. My fucker's asked me has jailed and you'r is a different in America. No, my fucker,

jail is jail. You can't go outside, nigga, it has jails, jail, right, it's whack whack about sitting at jail. They gotta have a may back. I taly retreating you. Sorry, Hollywood is great. It's definitely great. Man. Hopefully you know, I shoot some more. I want to shoot a movie with Don Cheeto. That's my favorite actor. Rights every day I text him. I'd be like, every time somebody say we looking like, he like, he's so tired of that ship. I'll show you the

tex He'd like, I'm tired of the ship. He said, Look, nigga, we don't have to do a duel, old school dude, because it's we can't be on the earth together. But I said, all right, if I win and you gotta let me play war machine, that'll be hard. Yeah, they need to just throw me in there as this little brother something baby war machine. Gotta work. Put me in that motherfucker, Doug. Let me put on the let's do it. I think it will work. But you definitely want to change.

Man though, fred I was surprised to see that you're reading now too, Nigga, What the question I would have been like, oh, you just you just learned how to read the Jim cro I bet I see you reading that. I see his Landboader. Let you read. They're they're gonna be putting us like I want to, like Samuel L. Jackson and Leonardo how he cleans this up. I was going to agree that said that the book that you were reading was life changing, specifically the athical slut. I

didn't hear about. That's a great it's a great book. Okay, so yeah, that's get the book. Man read a book club beats a book club. Yeah that we're gonna start beat up book club. So we're gonna have a spelling be or something. We gotta do something that we gotta have a don't spelling be. Since you think of nigga ka read, you know I was a spelling champion in second grade. Motherfucker, nigga. I was an honest student. Don't get me word, don't up what Mississippi, miss nigga. No,

it's a lot of asses in that. I ain't about to suck that up on camera. I sucked up a bad, easy ass word and lost my spelling be Champion crown in third grade. I was the first grade champion, the second to kindergarten niggas. I was beating. The word was I'm embarrassed to say you were young. I was the third grade spelling beat. I was supposed to be the royal champion Nigger of the world. I was gonna go in there with the white kids on ESPN ships. What's

the ship, y'all niggas laughing? But I was. I was about to be the spelling be Champion of the world nigga. And then I lost on that word and I was discoursed first letter. The word was grammar. Man. It was like, this was for the championship. It was spelled grammar. I was like, oh, fuck, y'all, I got this g R A M M e er. They was like, and I was like, up, mental mistake, funked off my whole spelling

be career. He had been out. He wouldn't know. Yeah, any time I looked at that album, I was like, damn, my fun that word. But we're definitely loving Triple Less though, man, And I'm reading now and I as read that, I'm done beat up for that. Man. What are the Jim crow ship we got? He's gonna take it to his buddy Joe Bogs podcast. Beat my album. I got the best album out right now, but you didn't put me back on your list? What's going on? You should beat

number one on that motherfucker again. I had you as the number one rapper. It was controversial a lot of people. He gave the number one, the number one I was. I was studying the clubhouse conversation seeing who in the industry was dissing us because people be like I thought he was a comedian. Beat List got me a lot of beef. Yeah really Yeah? What did I do? Made a lot of niggas not like you got you a lot of beef. But it also got you people paying

attention to it. Yeah, I love it all. He's still lark in those comments and take notes about who's talking. I think definitely he was like the best rapper you had, you know, the freestyles you had, the album you put a lot of tension on me. You put a lot of tension on me, like leakas freestyle, You're checking off a lot of boxes that Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

So I think that had to be recognized. And I checked all the boxes this year, and I should be the number one or number two or something like that. I think that I think the album is definitely in the conversation that black. You know what I'm saying, I like, I like Little Baby album. Um, yeah, I would. I would say to be fair that I'm gonna be in there. I'm gonna be on your list. I'm not worried about the album definitely makes something. I just think that from

the top of the year. So now you were kind of cool for a while, you know what, musically chilling, So it's hard was recording the album. I'm sorry reading he was how to read? You're studying. This is definitely one of the definitely one of your best projects. I'm talking to Alfredo in this as. Yeah, I think that this is the first This is probably the latest we

ever dropped in the year. Yeah, we usually dropped earlier in the year, So I think that this kind of gave us Fay was October, but that was like, yeah, Freddy Fetty and like that though, because I feel like you're in the year on a great Nope, you know what I mean going in, I'm still gonna be the best knit it with the best album. So I like that though, like the fact that you want to be the best, Like, you know, a lot of rappers are just I guess you could say in it for the check,

they're not competitive. You want to be the best? Yeah, I want to be Yeah, one of the when you talk about best rappers, I want to be one of those. You know what I'm saying, Like when you're done, when I'm done rapping, Like if you I asked myself every day, I'd be like, yo, when you finished, if it's a rap Hall of Fame, would you go? I think I'm gonna go. So that's that's you know, that's the standard I live by, you know, first ballot, first yellow jacket,

that damn it reading the middle. He's never gonna that. I've never I'm about to get on Twitter. Oh no, that's the rapper. I'm about to make that mean with Sevil Jackson hugging Leodardo Caprio like and then said they let me read that's a I loved We love you guys way back till now man Man lost the Texas days in the street now, oh my god, breaking long on nice teeth. That was so We were so good on back there. We were doing all these rome in

the streets, doing st shows. It one day it was ten minutes sets a bunch of musty ask niggas in the bar eating bad barbecue, eating bad barbecue. It was some bad barbecue and it was bad making a stomacher. They got some good ship down there to it. But we didn't know at the time. We didn't know at the time. We definitely didn't know Austin a lot to be doing comedy shows down Comedy two. Oh yeah, Joe, I saw I saw some of that. Come see my stand up. That's why I really talked to you about

the rappers. Yeah, the other one in the comedy store. Because that's no wholest bar battle doing comedient. We're not doing the comedy battle battle man. They shout out to T I like what you're doing, but I ain't doing the mother. But I saw something like that. Because you get a lot of critical claim it might have been for his pitchfork one of those things. They were mad because you had Joe Brogan and all the comedians. And this gets in the segmenting this classic rap song with

Joe broken at the end, get my nigga. But look, the black community owe me for going on Joe Rogan and letting them and then letting them know like, hey, nigga, don't say nigga no more. That's yeah, I did that. Niggas, don't never give me my credit. I'm just making strides for the community and ship reading and ship now toward literacy here, I just up the black literacy PERSI thank you. We should lunch Rapper Club. Yeahcast, we'll read a book and talk about it. Yeah. Capturing the Ride, Yeah, to

Kill a Mockingbird, I love it. I love it. Basic books. Appreciate you guys coming. Yeah, both so so separately. Stream that ship now, man, definitely please do that right now, man, we need it up. Podcast. Yeah, read motherfucker read read now. Rapp Radors. Interval presents original production from Hyperhouse, produced by Laura Wasser, hosts and producers Elliot Wilson and Brian B.

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