Rap Radar: Conway The Machine

Yeah, wrap it up podcast, Li Wilson, what's up?

Talk to him? Talk to him. Season two is going pretty nicely. No man looking on the up and up. Man, I can't complain.

Was you just woman? Man?

Ari Melburgh talking about the Tyler I missed that.

Yeah, you missed that. The cameras man, what got this shot? The PJ didn't have an MSNBC.

Yeah.

Shout to Ari Melburgh. I returned on his show The Beat and you know, talked about all things rap Radar and a couple of current event topics.

I get some clips out there, man, I ain't see no clips yet.

It's coming up. It's coming up. But he liked the taler joint. Yeah, he really enjoyed the taler Uh create a conversation and he was, uh, he was really impressed by it. And the fact that he says that, you know, you get all the guys that we want on the beat list talent the beat, you know what I mean?

You gotta get them down with that Rap Raidar podcast. But a shout out to Ari for sure. He always a big supporter.

Man.

You think you think we said the bar to high with that talent thing? Is the whole season going to be us having to live up to the hype of Taler, right.

I think we're doing pretty all right. Man. This guy is doing his he's doing his own numbers as well.

Man, Conway man his first time Grizelda Conway himself. Yeah, that's not not with his brothers BA. This is his first solo episode, and I think he I think he hit it off pretty well.

Won't he do it? Do it?

It's funny. After we had a conversation, he fucking broke his leg. That's his body fell apart. Man, it's a six million dollars man, he's working too odd out here, Conway, damn. Yeah, but he seems like he's recovering now. I seen him runing around with gun. He looks like he got a he's recuperating, man.

Absolutely, And of course the show must go on because you know, I think initially he canceled the tour dates, but he put the tour dates back up, so I pushed it back a little bit, right, So he's gonna, you know, hit the road. It looks like maybe this fall, I believe, yeah.

So and Knway wants to make sure and his albums down in that end of the year conversation, man, do it. It's a tough year, man, competitive right now with these rap albums. I think so, man, But you know, Conway got a chance. You know, we'll see in December. And you know every time we get with the Grizzla, any any any frashion of the Grisel.

This magic.

So you know, you should you should expect no less though. Absolutely he gave a really good conversation talk about things that he's never heard or talked about in the previous conversations, about Kanye West and his relationship with Westside Gun and a whole bunch of other things.

A lot of clarity, moment of clarity, a lot of clarity in this in this episode, for sure, you know what I'm saying. So he had the hoigh Street continues, Man, we got one of the hottest podcasts and movements right now. You got to understand, you got to stand we're not playing the season two is special, yes, sir. That for like, the whole first season we did was like kind of a trial run, and like like this season is like the real deal.

Holy feel that was our demo.

I feel like, you know, I feel like the intention is started to get a little more different.

So you know, consistency, man, that's all we need. And here we are.

Here we are, man, We're gonna stay consistent. We're gonna stay give me these quality conversations.

Man.

You know we always made magic with these guys.

Man.

One of the big forces from the Grisel the movement, the man himself with the machina Machina like Makina like makina.

Yeah, I need my Rosetta Stone.

And he got that drum Wark compilation coming to you know, he's got his own woman going on to salute the drum work.

Yeah. All he had all the drum work gooons with those Buffalo guys, they don't run, they don't run by themselves.

Man, we had a full studio, man, everybody for Buffalo. Shout out to the stylists too. I forget the young lady's name, but she's dope, but she always Yeah you see how that cover like, I feel like Conways on some Ashley the classy.

Type to cover the album. Yeah, I saw it. You know he's getting a couple of dollars out here.

Yeah, man, we're getting dollars. Two were getting conversation for our conversations.

Beat us.

Let's get into it, man, Yes, Sir Conway, and to rap rate all podcasts. Yeah, you have to rap rate all podcasts. My name is beat out, Elliott Wilson, Ellie.

How you feeling.

I'm feeling good Man, seeing this man Man successful.

This guy Conway, the machine.

The machine is economist today mainally a solo Conway episode podcasts.

Man, thank y'all Man first and for most Man, I've been waiting to get my soul, my shine for real, good looking man.

I appreciate it well deserved me.

Got the new project out, won't he do it? Ah?

Yeah, yeah, sir, you know what man, I had to had to show improve man.

You know, don't marginalize me.

Don't marginalize me till I'm out of my moment, you know what I Man.

It feels like the moment keeps coming back because it's not like you took any time off.

Yeah, this shit, don't stop.

This ship don't stop, man, because you know, I think one of the things that I think people just gloss over about Griselda's uh our work ethic. You know what I'm saying, We hire workers, we sleep in the studio.

What I'm saying. And it's like that for me, Wes and Bennie, like you know, we cooking in our sleep. You feel me, you.

Say, like who else could give me six projects like you like to run your arm right now?

Yeah? Man, it's you know, I mean, it speaks for itself, you know what I mean. The work.

I'm just I'm just thankful man, first and foremost man, because you know I ain't I ain't even supposed to be sitting right here, you know what I'm saying. Like, you know, niggas could have scored. Niggas could have you know, shit could have went way different with what happened to me and with me and just not even with that shooting. I've been in our type of other like real life street things where you know, I just feel feel blessed man, even I feel like it's another chance to do something good.

That's what I'm saying. Like are you a man of faith? Because on a cow you said you're not religious, right, But I've noticed that this reoccurring theme throughout your projects. You have, like this theme of God, you know, won't he do it? God don't make mistakes? King to a God? Like is that your intention?

Not?

Well with the.

Titles, it really came from a place of like it was some shit I had said in the hospital, you know what I'm saying. When I was, you know, on my road to recovery and getting out of there, Like right when I was about to get out of there, I remember saying this shit like, you know, man, God don't make mistakes.

Won't he do it? You know what I'm saying.

And when I did the tapes, even back then, it was all like a puzzle, you know what I'm saying, that's how like methodical I.

Am when I do my my art, Like it's all. It's all.

It was a sentence and I posted it on my grandm the other day, like you know I was. I was a reject, you know, I came from the bottom.

I was a.

Reject to you know what I'm saying, reject to Look what I became. God don't make mistakes. Man, won't he do it? You know what I mean. It's just like all of you know, it go into to one plot that was the you know, really the uh the thinking with with with the albums when I named him like that.

But so you had the concepts where I had that you were gonna go like yeah, Kanye used to say he had that.

Yeah, I got already already.

I'm painting the pictures is like a movie and you know, different with different scenes and different different parts of it. You know what I'm saying, By the grace of God, our movie ain't in yet, you know what I mean. It was for me, West and Benny, you know what I'm saying. The boys doing a bunch of amazing things. And know everybody is just like in their own right, just man, you know, just just in their peace, you know what I mean. I finally found mine.

It seems like the show is about to hit the road to won't we do? With tour is you'll probably be somewhere tearing down near you. And early this year was overseas though, right, what was that experience?

Like absolute madness? Man, it was it was unreal. I never really felt that type of energy, you know what I mean before, like the fans out there. This is my second time actually touring out there. This time just felt a little craziest. I did like Athens and Italy. Just I did about eight shows about eight different cities and and it was just like, man, just unreal like energy. They singing a word for word, they barely know the language,

Being you in London though, right, I'm not sure.

I'm not sure, you know what I mean. I think I might have just scared myself out of going you know what I mean, Like, man, you legal legal now, it's clean.

Businessman, No, but also the ripped though the Paris in our lifestyle man, drip game He'll be camp with Yeah, man's like that like that man, I mean I'm a handsome guy, you know what I'm saying.

But yeah, nah, man, I just like with this whole, with this album and just.

Really everything that I've been doing over that well since God Don't Make Mistakes came out kind of just been you know, uh, focused on.

The level, like and just reinvent myself and just and just grow exactly and just.

Growing uh as an artist and as a man. You know what I'm saying. And you know shout out to Janie. You know, she she stepped in and really, you know, helped pipe this ship up crazy, you know what I'm saying, having me at you know, runways in Paris, and you know, you know, having that ship on, and you know, she designed to cover the whole creative.

Director exactly, my creative director. So I just let her. I just like, look, I'm I like what Junique likes.

I like, you know what I'm saying exactly exactly, so you know what I'm saying.

That's how I really, you know, piped up.

But the main focus was just the level of like, you know, I feel like I already made my stamp with you know, with that with that sound that people love me and us for as in Griselda, like I already made my stamp like since reject too. I mean we got about ten hitlers. We got you know what I'm saying, all the Tanner talks, all the you know, the big ghost ships, all the I mean, the Alchemist, I mean one more got approve.

You'll know.

I'm the motherfuckering nigga that made this shit attractive again. Y'all niggas eating lunchable, eating the kids snacks and ship.

And the projects.

You know what I'm saying, a lot of these niggas that's getting to prayer, y'all. Niggas be putting on y'all listens and ship. Now the niggas eating lunchibles before Griselda, they was eating lunchables bro right, all shots them.

Niggas is the niggas is niggas.

An niggas was invisible man me west Man, then we came through.

He made this ship look good again. Man, because you.

Were saying like you felt like you was like everybody's jocketed sound the out side. You kind of wanted to go away from there, but this album you went back to the essence but then still expanded the sound.

First, Yeah, because I was bored m Just like I said, Man, I feel like I already made my stant with that lane, you know what I'm saying. And and again you know i'd be joking around and just you know, fucking with niggas when I be talking shit like that. Man, it is what it is, because I understand like we all was inspired by signing.

And if you ain't inspiring this, then who who are you?

And what what's should what's your value? You know what I'm saying like I was inspired by you know, Whu Tang clan. You feel me Ray and ghosts and them niggas like I wanted to ship. I was rapping on them niggas type beats and going in they niggas. They lane dressing like method man and them niggas. And you know what I'm saying, like, yo, I'm gonna take because I had braids and ship back then, like I was wearing half my hair unbraided, half of it.

With some method man shape.

My you know what I'm saying, my helly Hanson jacket inside out.

You know what I mean.

I had one leg up niggas, some wallabes, two toned ship like that, Like you know, we always inspired, so I don't it's kind of unfair to be like, oh man, you niggas took our ship and ran with it like we I look at it like a plus for I was like, man, we really, man, it's impact, man, we really people really love what we bring to the point of where like on some like Steph Curry ship, like he didn't invent the three point shot, but he made that shit attractive again.

And now everybody, you know.

At every level of basketballs chucking threes from the logo.

You know what I'm saying, but always talk about the context of it.

I thought it was cool at quarters, like you wear clips of like combat jacket niggas that was say earlier about you guys, Like why was it important to include that.

For the song?

Because I wanted you know, these is the the type of people who opinions and stuff that matter to me, you know what I'm saying. Like you know, sometimes I see comments and I see you know, you know, you know.

You get hecklers. Shit, even Lebron James get hecklers, you know what I'm saying.

So you get people you know, Oh man, it ain't you know this album we that this that like, you know, I really don't care when nobody think. But certain people who understand me, like you know, I joke around and tell the home He's like, man, these niggas ain't so cracking the nineties. They ain't gonna My music ain't for them, you know what I'm saying, Like, they ain't gonna relate to me. But somebody like you know, Clark Kent. You know what I'm saying, And this is early Griselda, you

Out of Buffalo is crazy.

You know what I'm saying, Combat Jack Rep, my man rag A King Resting, you know what I mean, Like World recipes like they was definitely very instrumental in that too, my man Carlos classic material.

There's several other people.

You know what I mean, recipes ho Vein, you know what I'm saying, Recipes my brother Hovein. Man, there's a lot of people. It's like people like that O payon matter like it means more than me. If Ray Kwan told me, you know what I mean, like he told me, like, Yo, nah nigga, I'm passing.

That to Y'ALLT them niggas. Y'allt them niggas.

Then a comment on a Gram from a fake page with two posts like I ain't tripping all that shit right, So it was important to highlight that and just to get them boys they flowers. It was my way of giving them they flowers too. Clark Can't and my man redg Like you know, it was the first two that made me feel and as well as you know y'all like I remember being that wave. I remember vividly being I think we got to show it like s OB's

Was twenty fifty and some shit like that.

So like, you know, it's people, that's the opinions and shit that matter to me, you know what I'm saying. So I just wanted to give flowers to them two dudes, you know what I'm saying.

But you definitely wrestle with credit, right Like even on brick Fair you talk about like how you hate you don't get credit for being the god or you. But then on the last project, on so much More, you talk about how you hope you never get the credit. So it's like, do you feel like you struggle with that duality?

I do. I do, because it's really, you know, both sides of the coin. For me, you know what I'm saying.

It's like, you know, I deserve, but that ain't for me to dictate. That's for the fan, that's for the you know, the people like y'all are determined that you know. I look at it like a nigga, like like like you know, Shaq was upset he didn't get an MVP and dirkman Whiskey got or Steve Nash got it, you know,

Like it ain't that.

But of course, because you work so hard at your craft, like I, you know, I strive.

To be the best, you know what I'm saying.

So like if I'm not mentioned up there, like I feel like, damn, what I did wrong? Or what could I have done to get that? Or what should what can I be doing to make sure I get that next time? Ship like that, like you know what I mean. So I just look at it from a sports point of view. And then on the second, on the other hand, like you said, like I feel like, you know, if I'm already at that that that pinnacle, I'm already at that place, like all right, just the best you the best man is it.

It's like what a nigga got to strive for? You feel me?

So it's like, you know, I be needing little challenges and ship and it's almost like I don't know if y'all seen the last dance jaring shit.

Sometimes I just I just.

Make narratives and the challenges and shit in my head and just to make me go crazier in the booth, like they.

All have that, you know what I'm saying.

It's best like you all have that gun, Benny, you like, what do you think that is? Like you all have that kind of like that complainion.

And we just want to be the best, you know what I'm saying. And to me, I feel like nothing wrong with that. No matter who the artists or whatever, you should want to be the best. You know what I'm saying. I don't care if I had a Burger joint on the corner. I want people to be like Yo's Conway spot that got the best bird in New York City. Crazy, you know what I'm saying. It's just it's just me like how I always been. I wanted to be the best dressed in school. I wanted to

That's why I won every battle I've ever been in and all.

That type stuff. It's like, I just want to win. I want to be the I don't want to just win. I want to be the best.

You know what I'm saying. I really want that.

Because a kid, did you have that?

Always?

As a kid everything, I just was a young knucklehead that just was easily distracted and you know, with temptations in the hood and shit, and you know, and then not just being so young and not really recognizing my greatness, like without my potential.

You know what I mean. That's why I'm thankful for some of.

The OG's in the hood that I had, you know what I'm saying that kind of like yo, bro, you know, show me and assure me, like man, you you bro, you got something here, bro, if you really you know, get in your bag, like shot out my bro spoons. You know, I'm always getting my bro spoons his flowers in the hood because you know, he.

Was, you know, in the streets doing his thing.

But he'll take his street money and shit and go be buying like studio equipment and shit, and didn't know nothing about recording or how to play an instrument or make a beat or anything.

And really like went.

To school and classes and bought all that stuff just for me, like for us the homies in the hood.

That was, you know, getting busy.

He didn't have to do that, but he was just showing us, like, yo, bro y'all, it's a lot of y'all, can man take it there?

You feel me?

So it always been in me like that, man, Like I just I just I just want to be the best dog. I just want to be talked about it that in that laying in that bracket because I feel like I put enough for the work in. Man, I feel like I'm a hard worker. I'm serious about my craft, and I'm nice, Like I feel like I'm nicer than niggas. There's so many people out there, dog that can fuck with me. I was just joking with whole, like sending them some ship, like niggas can't fuck with me besides you.

The second text, I was like, nah, man, don't leave me. You know what I mean.

But I'm just like that, just my spirit man, fuck that. I don't want to be that nigga. I want to be that top dog man.

You talk about jay Z on Monogram, one of the highlights on the album, and there's a part I Liverpally. You say, like you ask he asked you about Drum Drum Work Fest, And yeah, I asked you do you own it?

Right?

Did you do you understand what he meant by that question? Initially?

Yeah? I did.

I definitely did, like and you know, I appreciate that that It just honestly, it really just showed me like why he is what he is and he you know, like at the level he ad because that's really how you need to be thinking when you starting something and doing something and creating something.

No matter what it.

Is, you should you should own it or at least the biggest piece of it type, you know what I'm saying. So the fact that the first thing that was the first question, like, yo, man, I'm trying to you know, I got this, I'm about to do year two.

You know what I'm saying. You own it? You know what I'm saying. It's kind of you know what was your response?

Yes, yes, I'm making quiet noise out here, man, but it's got to bug you out because you guys are build a solid connection now, like a solid friendship. Remember that first clip of when you did the show in LA and you had an emotional moment and you could to see you know, you guys connected, and now you've built this swing a port.

With him man whole.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, and that's you know, I just appreciate good people, you know what I'm saying. And you know what I man, I just try to get people. They flowers and they respect and acknowledge them for being great, a great person, you know what I'm saying. And I mean I have no no business with Hoole like we ain't got no nothing. There's no incentive for the love he been showing me, you know what I'm saying. That

Another person from that camp too. You get flowers to is uh Kanye West on the app? Right, you even have a song dedicated to Kanye. Why did you do that?

Same reason?

You know, just acknowledging you know what I'm saying, Like, you know, there's no it was no incenter for the love the type of love. Them dudes showed me, Bro, I'm just one of them type of dudes. Man, We're like, you know, my brothers is all in here. They'll tell you, like the type of person I am, Dog, I try to reciprocate the love as much as possible. And I don't like asking for favors and shit like that. We

What was it like going from backing up work to the college dropout to recording at his wrench? Was that experience like.

Dream come true? The dream come true?

Man?

And you know, just no, damn man, won't he do it.

Like life?

Sometimes it's funny like that. Man, You go full circle. Man, you know what I'm saying.

You go from like I said, like bagging up in the spot to listening to college drop out to you know, working on music and ship at his house.

It's like, you know, God is God is the greatest man.

What's he like in person? I never I don't think I've met Kanye, but like, what are the conversations like with him, h.

Man, it's a good dude. He's very uh outspoken.

You know what I say.

You know what I'm saying.

Like now what you see in the media ain't ship right like Nigga in the room. He he you know, he just he got so much idea. I've never seen nobody with this many like ideas and ship.

And it ain't like it's not influenced by nothing, no drugs and none of that.

Ship. It's like he just be silk ya.

Well yo, we should just be like he just real real with those ideas he just gifted, man, and you get a lot of jewels and ship just kicking it and being around around yeah, and just watching him create. It's just like it's a real treat. Like, damn dog, this dude is a genius for me, a genius man.

Like I'm gonna tell you, like I'm gonna be honest, like I don't know if he want me to.

I mean, it ain't no no big deal.

So I was at the ranch one time and I was playing him, God don't make mistakes. Before I had dropped it, before it came out of shit. I was just like the records I collected for it and the record Stress came on.

You know what I'm saying. You know that third verse I talk about how you know how how I was.

On that bottle. You know what I mean, I was drinking mark, you know, shipping. I'm getting nice, you know what, I man A day and ship and how to you know, I'm just giving my perspective of what I'm dealing with with that.

And he heard that ship and he didn't say nothing.

You know, he just got up and walked out the rule.

I'm like.

Feeling that ship, you know what I man, Nigga came back and gave me like an autographed alcohol anonymous book.

Yeah read that. I love that record.

That shit I felt that da you know what I man. And we had a whole different conversation that I don't want to share. But it's just stuff like that and just be like, bro, we ain't have to you know what I mean. Like, I'm just different, man, I guess cause I'm older, and you know, I never had nothing.

You know what I'm saying, So to just to be the guy to receive it's just you know, like, man, why are you doing that.

While you're showing me that love? Like while you have me coming out here to be on an album.

You know what I'm saying, I barely got you know what I'm saying a hundred thousand followers like I ain't.

I ain't even I'm not. I ain't on a radio or club or none of that. Like you saw that in me.

You know what I'm saying, right, and not just reciprocate the love. You know what I mean to answer right that question, it's.

The gratitude exactly.

I'm big on that, you know what I'm saying.

Absolutely, I think about like those moments in your life and going back to like God don't make mistakes. You said that the story of your life got wild chapters right, like would have been some of the most memorable.

Ship like that, you know what I mean, going to the ranch, you know, performing my Ship in front of you know, at that time, was the biggest crowd at the novel in LA and you know, breaking down on and having that moment you know where I just broke down thinking about Shanegun, you know, performing the car is it always been a It was a tough record recording it.

Saying, Uh, having that shit on in Paris and that's beautiful. You know, that's another moment.

What's she familiar with you? Maybe?

I think she when she smoked that cologne I had, she know I was somebody.

It was that moment at the Rock Nation brunch we met Beyonce.

Oh yeah, now Rihanna too, right, that was the one that right there too. Yeah, that was that was That was a moment right there. And I had that ship on again. Yeah, that's dressed at the rock brunch.

You know who would have thought?

Man, So you got so that we said you don't put the drip on the grammar anymore because Castle tried to.

I had to stop that ship, Elliott man, you know what I man?

That was why I was caught a few of these rap niggas like yeah with the fire emojis, Yeah, you got that ship on twin you know, I say these niggas with the you know, with with the same ship on another color or some of these niggas mold would be the same color, sneaker everything.

Like damn, man, I am.

I'm just you know, I'm the guy from Buffalo wrapping over saying drummless sample you want to I don't want to bother.

Me, dressed like Conway whever thought you know, man, i'd be taking pictures with Rihanna and them and having that ship on.

Man.

I never was a bomb, you know, illustrious career in the streets. I never I never looked chips that fact.

Man, this ain't no big ships.

Yeah, you get a real accurate depiction of Buffalo in that documentary for Rick James. I was surprised to see you there too when you saw that, of course I did. I say, wait, that's Conway and he was talking about Buffalo.

And that was dope for me too, man, even because you know, I'm so inspired by Rick James. You know, Rick James is to me one of the like, you know, the greatest you know musicians to ever live and create these just an innovator, a trailblazer and icons and he's from Buffalo, you know what I mean. So right, you know what I'm saying, he reped it. You definitely repped the bigtime. He buried and he got buried buried in Buffalo and all that.

It's a ghettle for real.

So somebody said that that Buffalo is like the most second most segregated city in America.

It is. It is.

It is like you know, everybody stay where they be, you know what I mean, Like white people stay over there, Black people stay over there, Spanish, different ethnicity, so on, so forth. Like it's crazy that the racial dynamic and everything is like it it's so profound in Buffalo. It's just like you know, you'll be amazed, you know what I man, You know, to be it to come from Buffalo and no matter what it is you do and

Out of my way, nigger. You know what I mean.

They gonna smiling if you think we was good. But these you know, they're gonna get caught in a text message or something with the racial slurs, you know what I mean.

It's like, damn, I know you felt like that.

It's like hidden racism but blatant, if that makes sense, you know what I mean. And that's I feel like that's kind of a little more difficult to deal with because I'd rather motherfucker tell me he don't like me. At least I know, I'm just stay away from that nigga you feel me rather than you know, thinking that you fuck with me and you and you really the whole time think the worst of me, you know what I mean. That's tough to deal with. And just you know,

But you love the city though you gave back two hundred thousand during COVID giving out backpacks and things like that for the for the residents.

Yeah, you know all that.

The drummer Fest this year is dedicated and you know we're doing it and paying homage and dedicating it to the you know, the victims of the mass shooting at the at the supermarket that happened last year. Some more racist bullshit, That's what I'm saying. Like, you know, this type of city where a white guy could just you know, pull up to the only supermarket in the black, you know, predominantly black neighborhood. It's the only supermarket in a around

It, you know what I mean.

So you know, the drum work Fest is just you know, I'm just trying to just put a smile on faces and just like you know, remote that black cloud and that that stigma of like, yo, man, we can't make it out.

Man. This shit is it's it's ugly is and now you know what I mean, It's because it's a beautiful city with beautiful people, right, you know what I mean.

I just I just love the city and I just always want to highlight it and represent it to the fullest.

Right, I'm proud to be from Buffalo.

Right. You mentioned your homie Spoon, right, like how you supp which you growing up and things like that. And on the Kanye track you said like your dreams are very lofty and now your friends didn't believe in you. Right, So what were some of those dreams that you thought that you wanted to aspire? What do those look like? The shit I'm doing now? You know what I'm saying, I ain't had the belief and the outpouring of support that I got now early on coming up doing this shit.

I feel like in the you know, in the hugs and the you know, the black communities, like too often we uh we talked somebody off a ledge with our own fear of flying. You know what I'm saying, Just because you don't think I can do it. Don't mean I can't do it, you know what I'm saying. And I've experienced that. I'm sure I'm not the only person that's that experience that, and you know, had to just keep you gotta just keep a pushing and just not care.

But you just want to sell cocaine, man, That's why. That's why I just wanted to sell cocaine forever. Nobody criticized me for that, except for you know, the nosy old ladies and Moucker, Jimmy Walker, Jimmy Reese and them niggas, Johnny Walker and Jimmy reesing them niggas. But outside of Griselda, you mentioned like drum Work Fest, right, you got drum Works. That's the actual label. Can't explain music there you go,

Yeah, man, I'm just it's a drum work. When I did that and.

Started that for me, like I was, you know saying earlier, I was, you know, partly kidding around about it, but it's true. I was getting bored, you know what I'm saying, And I was just dealing with I was bored and I was dealing with a lot of I don't know word for I'm gonna just say, like just negative bullshiting mentally.

And stuff, you know. And it just came from like.

A lot of different dysfunctions you know, in among in the inner circle that you know, I already kind of got in trouble for speaking on talking about and ship like you know what I mean, And it just put me in a place of depression and just like solitude where IUD is there when you want to be bothered.

And I just wanted to shut down everything, you know.

I don't know, I just I feel like I just needed a new challenge. So I just you know, with the drum Work label for me, I look at it as just a new another challenge.

Now.

That's why I got this new energy, is to prove that you know, you know what I mean, this drum Work ship can you know, can be can be a giant in and this ship like a like a CMG, like like a q see like you know, shit like that, you know what I'm saying, Like like a Griselda, you know, what I mean, like, and it's the challenge for me to see if I can just take you know, Jay Skis Goose by the way shots ask you know what I mean, unique in them niggas like I want to take.

I want to you know, I'm proven of myself that I can do it.

So it's like it's just a challenge, you know what I mean that Like I was saying earlier, like on some jor and shit, like you know what I mean. His challenge was to come back and three Pete again, like can I do that shit again? And that's what made him come back out of that first you know, retirement. That was his challenge, you know, Phil Jackson challenged him.

That's my challenge. That's what kind of made me come back.

And you know, because I already had the obligation to drop the God Don't Make Mistakes the Shady album. But had it not been for that, it would have been a longer hiatus between my last album and this album.

Because I was in a fucked up space. Man.

I was in the after came to a guard and you know that was around when I'm you know that whole Ellen Lenovo and I'm working with Yay I'm working with Diddy. I'm man, I'm having a you know, enjoying myself. That's kind of when Ship kind of start going, start spiraling downhill, and you know, I just realized that, you know, I got some healing to do and some finding myself to do, and you know, I'm finally getting there now

Like, get out of that page. Bro, you gotta get out.

That's why I'm even here doing these interviews and ship. I hate interviews. I hate shoot videos. I hate all that ship like I hate kind of the camera and like I think that came with after I got shot. I just was always wanted to be the guy that was in a cut in the room, like you know, I'll be in the corner or something back there.

Like yo, shit, were machine or why are you good?

Bro?

Like I was always on that and I think that's just a resulta you know, when I got shot.

Even with the Denver the clear I had process.

Yeah, why do you pick them through? Both places?

When we was on that tour, that was the one that we met whole. I'm not sure if it was that tour or another tour before that we did, but both times we did Denver my manager Chad, you know, like I said, I'm always I'm always trying to work and get shipped, you know, get in the studio, even in other cities. Shit, I like going to eat different restaurants and foods in these cities, and I like to record in different city because it's a different energy. And

It's like a.

Like an old like mechanic's garage and some shit that they renovated and turned into a studio. It was like in a cut behind like a gas station, and you wouldn't even know it's.

There if you you were right.

We rolled past it ten times looking at the navigation. You know what I mean it's a cut like that, and I liked that part of it, and you know, the engineer was fired. Shout out my boy Rocky. I just was for some reason. It was in a good space.

Dog.

I was knocking out five six songs, eight nine song like, I was just going crazy.

We did a tape, Me and Goos did a tape.

In a day out there, like and I just recorded so much music out there, and that's what kind of gave birth to the won He Doer shit.

Just me getting back my peace of mind.

Like I was out there by myself, man, just you know, well, you know, me and my pistol.

Girlfriend. I was, you know, I was out there.

I was going to the studio from ship sun up the sundown. You feel me just locked in and I just found like a space that I hadn't been there since I was like recording at Darren jer house before, you know, working on you know, Hitler tool, hit reject tool and shit like that. Like I got back in that bag and ship. That's how they Won't He Do It birthed. I just kind of took like some of the joints that made the most sense that the fourteen ships that made the most sense.

And you know, painted that picture.

You don't write anything down neither right, some of the.

Stuff I wrote down.

You know, I got back into that, you know what I'm saying. And you know I credit that honestly to going out there and watching how Yay work and watching Diddy work.

And seeing how important it is to kind of like take your time and just make make make music. Were just making music.

So it's like I'm in a room watching doctor Dre work and I I'm just in a room with.

Just creatives, you know what I'm saying.

Of course, nobody's writing for me or none of that shit, but we just bouncing around ideas.

And you know, you got the dude on a piano.

That's how like uh the Kanye record, Ate the dude on the organ, man ride on the organ, Drea singing shit like that is just I wanted to tap into that bad just make music and not just get a batch of beats email to me and go to booth.

And you know, already showed that I can make, you know.

What people would call fans would make saying it's a classic in a day, like we done did that, We did Haul and Nash in a day.

You know what I'm saying. We did?

You know we did some of them Hitler's in a day? Wells went lying about that ship like we recorded them ship is in a day? What was Shane gonna do? I want to say it was maybe two days.

I'm talking about made the beat from scratch Darren Ja and while we writing.

Or crafting, like we're still writing, wed just think of it in our head until we rememberize it. Didn't go on the booth and say it. You know what I'm saying. But to answer your question, some of this ship, I definitely picked up my phone because I was I wanted to.

I was inspired by.

How watching them, how they cooked, and it was like, let me just let me think these bars out a little more instead of just saying whatever the first ship come to my head?

Do you have a favorite verse off the album?

The Kanye verse and the Won't He Do It? The title the title track verse and that Twin Cross Twain is different the Twin Cross Twins. I impressed myself.

On there, like God damn, I'm in that bag.

But you know that ship, I was saying the first couple of bars of that uh, that Won't He Do It?

Song?

Got the and got a bunch of shit on my mind. Lady got so much good in my heart? Is like why I hate me go out my way for these niggas. They still violate me. Then going on the internet sneak dish ince suf tweeting entitlement and jealousy when they see my funds increasing, Man, because they fucked up. They bag when they was eating, taking their frustrations out on me. I'm like, what's the reason?

Like Ship? Like that is just it's.

When I'm really spelling my heart in that both like I'm really it's church.

I don't know that stuff in the writing. I just just care out of me. You feel me?

But uh that Kanye, I definitely wrote like the you know what I'm saying when you dyed? What you gonna leave your kids? Some sneakers and bells? Acho, you wilding like mar Sellers.

You know what I mean.

You know I'm on my sports show Ship and you know you speak for yourself. You know they had to show man Acho and you know my sellers, Wiley, you know what I mean? Like Acho, you wilding like my sellers, You speak for yourself and all that I can only I can only get in that.

Bag when I take my time with right. You know, I'm getting too old for this.

You know, man, another sports figure that made the album, shar Sharp, he's on the chosen.

Yeah, yeah, shout out un man. You know I had to have uncle part of this ship.

Yeah. Do you know if you heard the record yet or I doubt it it'll get too.

Yeah, hopefully it gets to him.

I was down in Florida, actually, I was working on so I'm doing the album, a full album.

With Justice League. It's already done.

It's just they putting the sprinkles and the cherries and ship on.

Top of it.

But it's it's already done, already wrapped on it, and you know, we're just getting some features sent there and you know they doing the last minute little ship to it.

But anyway, I.

Recorded that song was supposed to be what's gonna be on the Justice League tape, but I just made a little adjustment like nah, this ship too fine.

Executive decision.

So we recorded that in Miami and with Justice again, Like I'm on that type of time now, the way I want to be in the studio with the producer, all of them and create and bounce ideas. Let's add this at the end of that song. You know what Conway think of? Think of something apart right here. You know what I mean, Like some ship I might not have thought of. You know what I'm saying, Like I'm big on like letting people get the ship off. Like I don't know, I don't know everything. I don't want

Dude in the room.

Let's all eat, let's all create, and let's all have input. Because I might have missed something, you know what I'm saying, Like I would have missed uh the water the wine record had I not had Goose with me in Denver. You know what I'm saying. I was a batch of beasts my homie and E Jones sent you know Goose. Uh he he found.

The beat, like he I fell asleep. You know what I'm saying. I'm on shrooms and on.

Type of shit and doze up. This nigga go I wake up and Ghost got his first and hook and everything to that beat. But he went in you see what I'm saying, and like.

Helped guide me to with my verse, like gave me a direction. You know what I'm saying.

And he wasn't there, I wouldn't have had that that raw ass record.

You feel me.

And you're also working with thirty eight, specially her. You guys got an album on the way, special Machinery.

Yeah we did.

Uh so I recorded some you know a bunch of verses and ship over that special spot.

This is you know, a while ago or whatever. But yeah, we you know, we got some ship together.

That's coming to this see it two, he said, like the summer maybe.

Oh yeah, you know, it's up to them ship.

I guess this summer, then it's up the dog. But special, ill nigga, you know what I'm saying. And got my full support right, and it's gonna be special, you know what I mean? No pun intended. It was up here in Ransom the joint exactly like I wanted to me and Ransom, you know, we have been kind of like chopped it up and shipped. I ran into him a couple of times, and you know, we both had acknowledgement for you know, you know what we what we both do well, you know.

What I'm saying.

And it just was love and shinning. We always just had playing yo.

Man.

We gotta knock, we gotta do something like nah facts, Well I got into that that space, you know what I.

Man, and and then even had writer's blocks and ship too. So once I got out of there and I recorded that stab I recorded that stabbed Doll ship my part in Denver, and I'm like, yo, I got sign ran what you know, Nigga sent that ship back like the next morning. You know what I'm saying, Yeah, stabbed out and fleshing. My flesh is meant to be like a connect like one song connected and same thing with like quarters and bruis a fixed you know, but just like late minute late game adjustments.

You know what I'm saying.

I feel like when you in your bag, everybody knows it because there's this adet that I love to talk to him like what did that become this signature phrase? Like how did you know that that was gonna be a thing.

I don't know, man, when it was when I first did that ship, but I just you know, I just liked it, and I seen how people talk to like it was enjoying us. So I'm like, yo, I found something. You know what I'm saying.

Jada Kiss got to laugh. You got to talk to him.

Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure.

Hopefully my my shit be as iconic as you know, Kiss ad Lib and you know, Gucci, Mane Bird and all that. I also got the look look, yeah, that's what niggas know. I'm about to walk on water. Look, you know you already know, like, yeah, yeah, it's a missile coming. Yeah, I started the verse. I would look, it's a missile coming. It's a missile in a way.

Dips used to do that a lot too, like look yeah, yeah, you know with all this stuff that you got going on though, Conway, I know the labels is knocking on your door.

Man.

You said that you you got off of the contract. You spit on it. Which label was it from? I don't know, man, you don't remember.

No, the whole entire you know, music industry, you know, wants to fuck with the with the drum right now, man, fella, you know we're in a good space.

Man.

You said thirty million, that's is that the magic number?

Whatever makes sense?

Whatever makes sense, man, as long as long as long as the team is situated. Man, you know, but there's still good business with the great folks over the empire.

Right, yeah, good business, good bitiness. You know, should we just dropped that thing? You know what I'm saying. You know, we gotta we got cy B coming, a drum work compilation coming, We got still you know, a lot of business done, good business, you know, Shout out the Empire. You know what I'm saying. Shit, shout out to Shady. You know what I'm saying. You know, I can't say it enough. You know, I'm thankful for you know, for that opportunity, for them even taking a chance and fucking

You know what I'm saying.

Hey, you know I'm tough to deal with sometime. You know, even I'm flawed.

You're a good dude. And you're also a good son, because you know, you talk about your mom a lot throughout your music. How she doing health wise?

She's good man, She's good man.

She you know, she had the heart to open heart surgery and stuff, but you know she patched up and you know she's doing good man, ladies around grandkids, you know, holding it down right.

And she even made the album for God to make mistakes.

Absolutely, I think be that like that got a mistakes album. Man, I got to make mistakes.

I think God didn't know that, you know when I saw the listen, that's another we're talking about that later. Thanks for coming home.

Nah, But yeah, I was dope having my mom on on that. I wanted her on on this album too. You know, Uh, the feet was too high.

Yeah, yesterday's price was not today's price.

Well, but she didn't she just didn't fit the sound of the album.

No, you know, her health stuff, you know, man, she was dealing with that, and you know, we just didn't really have time to you know, so we worked one of them.

I wanted her on funny enough to Kanye record, like just but the other side of it, like, you know, on God to make mistakes. It was like she was crying over my hospital bed when I got shot. This one was like, look at you now, man, God, Man, thank you man, look at you boy.

You did it? You made it? Man, won't he do it?

No?

No, No, that was my idea for like the praise and get a glory, you know, because she's big on you know, religion and all that spirit. She's very spiritual, so I thought that would have been a dope moment for the album. But you know, she was dealing with the you know, the heart surgery and shit, and we just didn't We couldn't get it done in enough time.

Right, And at the bottom of twenty twenty two, I know you your nephew passed away. I know that was a dark time for you as well. Yeah, how'd you put yourself out of that? That rut?

Man?

Honestly be that man, I'm not sure if I have. You know, I just try not to think of it and just trying to just bury myself in the work. And it's fucked up, man. You know, I think you know I had. It's maybe like three three dudes. Man, that's like, you know, its just super super close to me. And you know I known them for a very very

You know, my that's my nephew. Like and then you know another guy.

Who's kind of like Spoones, who you know, was very instrumental and uh making sure you know, seeing this ship through, making sure like man, you know, keeping my mom head in the game, like bro, no, you.

Need to be doing this funk all the streets. Shit and dumb shit me man Monee.

He lost his son on New Year's this year, like uh, like a drunk driver, like he was driving on the expressway down the wrong wrong, wrong way and head on collision and and took took my other nephew life. So you know, recipe peace Josh, rest in peace with League, Rest in peace, Prick. You know what I mean that that all this was going on while I was still dealing with all that, then my mom having an open

Real, real moment right now.

You know I probably said and some things and did some ship dog that you know, kind of probably rubbed West wrong. I shouldn't have said. So dealing with that kind of dysfunction with me and West and then all this and then you know, my mom and my mental stuff and you know, it just it was a fucked up time for me in between from king to a god and won't he do it?

You know what I'm saying.

And so something Rolling Stones is about you had a therapist? Did you did that help people?

Yeah?

Showed me how to say, fuck these niggas and do you and Ball get your money these don't let these niggas get you out your off your squaremen, fuck these niggas.

Get your money in Ball. You look good, you feel how you look? You look good, you feel good. You know what I'm saying. That's how I took it. That's how I take that, man.

And now as you need that push, you need that, you know that reinsurance like man, you know? So all right, you know, but like I said, the most important thing is I was able to find kind of I guess, a peace of mind and just maturing and growing as an artist, as a as a man, as a father, as a son, all that shit. You know, y'all remember the first couple of times we came and did the rap radar interview. You know, I ain't really wasn't no talker or none of that ship.

I'm just I rap and I go home, you know what I'm saying.

And you know I've been on the press runs and doing all this stuff and you know what I mean, and going overseas just showed me, like you know, I owe it more to my fans, and I owe more to my people that believed in me before all of this shit, to really be active and you know, put all the stuff aside and stop overthinking things and just go crazy, man, getting that booth, go crazy.

You the Ellis Khan, go dumb.

And I just tell myself that in the mirror every month, like you that nigga go eat.

You and West are back in a good place.

Yeah, we always been.

And that's what you know the great thing about Wes and Man, I love that man so much because he never really took it, you know on some like where we man, fuck you, bro, you violated me type shit. You know what I'm saying, Like we was good, you know every little thing. I still had his blessings with h We're still was doing the shows, rock and stage, just hugging like I love his kids.

His kids love me to death.

They uncle Uncle Knwall, Uncle Dumont. You know, I'm Uncle Dumont to them. You know what I'm saying, Like his kids loved me to death. You know, his wife, you know, my grandmother, everybody like you know what I mean. And mister our bullshit, you know we lost you know, Auntie Shell, granddad and it's just.

Like, man, what we what the fuck is we doing? Man?

Like I'm tripping, brom, I'm a step up and I'm a you know what I'm saying, yo, Bro, I'm tripping, bro because in reality, shit, you ain't never took nothing from me or not gave me nothing. I wasn't suposed to get none of that. It's never no shady business,

Nothing like shit, that's my brother. I don't got to read that shit.

Shit we good, man, We good? I say less. And you know, I feel like I just just owe it to him to, you know, speak on that now. And because we never really had a conversation about it. Man, he just took that shit like I think he knew what it was and knew I was just acting out of my my feelings and my emotions and shit.

And you know, the love never changed.

And that's why it was important for me, like to do the Bruce Affix video with him and the song and everything and do it on a Darringer beat in one of those crazy like left fields kind of what the fuck is this beat? Because it reminds us of the hauling Nash days, the fly Guy days, the Hitler two, Hitler one, hit Looked three days. You know, I wanted to give our fans that treat, like, Yo, this what

That's how we're gonna finish, you know what I mean. And that's how we're gonna finish Nigga. That's why we're doing that haul of Nash too. We're doing that well was sine Gun do too? And probably more work, you know what I'm saying, Like hopefully you know West be talking our retirement ship every year. Yeah yeah, no, West, w ain't going.

Let me out though.

The Gela forever man or.

They can't get rid of us. Man stuck together and stopped this ship. We can only stop ourselves. That's why I had to get my ship together. And you know, honor my brothers man. You know what I'm saying, west Side Gun, Benny the Butcher Man, I love y'all, niggas, Darren, y'all, Love y'all, Griselda forever, drum work forever, b set forever, Nigga, we built out whatever I'm special, beat ours list forever.

You know what I'm saying.

He's has some great less in the last two years since I've been on it, you know what I'm saying. But I'm not taking nothing less than top twogregious, egregious. When he closed his locker or all his door, I'm gonna be standing by like the benship born Jus by the locker looking at you.

What's up.

There?

You know? Way baby? Podcast?

Yeah, thank y'all. Man.

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