Rap Radar: Brent Faiyaz

one out with Joe Button. This week. We have a new episode called Cherry and we picked up Blog Mixtape Blog Ever Mixtape. So that was really fun to be back to O'll go old rap right all days now. But you got Joe Button back in the building? Man, what how did you pull that off? Ben? I don't know. I just asked to come on the shoulder. He was like, okay, they wanted video of him coming in the building. It was yeah, I saw that. I don't that's that's extra.

But uh, you know, it was cool to have Joe Button back in the hot seat, you know what I mean. I never thought it would have happened, but you know, sometimes all you have to do is ask. Closed mouths don't get fed. So b I cr Boy, one of our classic Rap Rtorum podcast episodes came up Drake obviously, which was the game changer. Yeah, that team. You know, Drake dennounced he's doing his show in New York. I guess the Apollo Theater, so you know, I feel it's

very hip hop and all that. And you asked him the classic question man about would you ever do a B side show? Yeah, I think it's time for Brake or do a B side show. I feel like the Sage jay Z, who I guess you could say, pioneered the B side show. I feel like Drake's the only artist were rap artist that could kind of uh following

that footstep. He has so many records, like you don't know which way to go, and like when he does he shows, even though he's on stage for almost like two hours, you still looking for other records that you know, you haven't heard in a long time. Yeah, so people that don't know when we say B sides, it's just like the non singles, just the records, like the songs that kind of taken on the life of their own,

not necessarily the singles, but something like Cameras Off Take Care. Yeah, come if he comes out the Tuscan Leavel like imagine, it just comes out, just gets in the Tuscan Leather from Nothing was the same album, which to entry everybody loves.

But do you think that I saw people speculate We have no insight, right, we don't know what this guy is doing really at the follow but it looks like we might be planning to see to But I think even complex marn with it that they ran the clip about the B side sort of handing at maybe that's what he's up to with this sort of small intimate show. Yeah, I mean, we don't know, and honestly I don't want

to know. I'd rather just you don't want to know. No, Like you know what, there's not too much things, too many things to be excited about nowadays in the game, and I feel like I just want to be a fan again and just enjoy it in real time in the moment. So you know, if Drake does do a B side show, I don't want to know what the setler's looks like. I just want to experience it, you know,

as a fan. What if this is coming? Because again I think that people may not know they they may know, may not know that me and you guys want mean, we both agree that we weren't the biggest fans of the biggest of the latest project correct the Dance album. It was honestly never mind. You know, it's crazy, like I was starting to make my beat that list of looking at the year and like like, this is the first time I don't think I'm gonna have a Drake

album in my top ten. That's crazy. But but I also still feel like he's still number one in the game though it's so weird to me. Yeah, I don't think he lost his status in my in my in my book, but that album I can't really rock with for some reason, I just don't go back to it. Yeah, I can't get jiggy with that album as well. But it's ill. Is like Drake's celebrity is so high, it's like it's the highest it's ever been. But musically with that album, I can't really rock with it as well.

But he's still capable of delivering you know, a thirty point verse, you know with like yeah church Churchill's downs, like he's still capable of, you know, doing what he does best. So so speaking about like how he gets the capable of just dropping some hip hop stuff, like I've seen some speculation like like a scary hour is like this, even if he only gives us three songs, like three very much hip hop rap songs, so he could do it at the apology. You think he might

pull that off? I think so. I mean, Drake has he's kind of unpredictable, but he's calculated as well, So I think I wouldn't be mad at like a little three track EP something like that, you know, five track just to hold us over. And you know what's so ill? Is like like he could drop it the day before and the day after day of the show. Everyone's gonna know it. Yeah, so you're definitely going on the show,

and I'm gonna have to fly back. We're gonna see him speaking in because you can't buy tickets, right, so I'm not to talk to a guy maybe one of the over your guys, because sneaking through the back door would be are you speaking like that Spright show he had back in the day with Yeah, Actually I ended up in the commercial. Yeah what was that for Spright?

Yeah it was a Spright commercial. I had no idea that was happening, and um, it was me Drake and Drake security and We're just walking, and I like, you know, I just thought they were filming like a vlog or something fast forward the super Bowl. We're watching it. I'm like, wait, is that so be? That? Man? Love? And then you one last thing on the personal note, you settled the debate, like you being you always argue about what the biggest

rap rate up podcast is. I think it's I think it's Drake had beat jay Z. But then I put the poll up to the people. I said, it is the Drake one bigger than jay Z. Like, what's the biggest rap rate up podcast in the illustrious rap rate up podcast history? And the people are telling me that guys Sean jay Z Carter still got it. I think

it's still jay z. Um. It depends on the day, right, Like a lot of people swear by the Nipsey the first one Um, A lot of people, like you said, love the Drake, But I think the jay z ones had the longest shelf life as far as are reusable content, Like at least once a week someone's reposting a clip or you know, attribute it to their h inspirational Instagram handle page like that love inspiration. Don't think they help you for the inspiration they do. Man, it kills me

boop like the hell out of Jay Easy. So I think jay Z wins. Alright, alright he was. He was like, I can't stop him. And do you feel the pressure? Man? People feel like you're supposed to deliver the big interviews. Man, I'm started to feel the pressure. Man. We get gave him that Jimmie Foxx moment. They want Kendrick, They wanted big stars, Like is that big star? You think we could get some? We talk about that. I mean we were always gonna get everyone just start on their own

right in cluling today's guests. You know, he's a good point. Be that brand fires. Man. Yo, let me tell you something, man, I thought for sure that I was dealing with his manager tied from like way before we even came back, right like, he had this idea. He said, look, Brent wants to do the interview with Rap right on when you guys come back. He's like, Yo, have you ever seen the Jay Z Rap City Joe Claire helicopter. And I'm like, oh no, like no, I've never seen that.

I've never seen it. And he was just on it like and I thought I would change his mind. Through the you know, maybe convinced to some of us, but we had to go gett a damn helicopter, right Jesus, a fucking helicopter, man, the first time, all of our first times there, you know, and it was just definitely an experience, you know, something that I'm never gonna forget. It's funny. Yeah, they give us a great interview and not okay, we got the great interview already. Is he

gonna make us really getting this damn helicopter? And we did? Man, you know, they thankfully get Lord hyper House. I don't know, I don't know how this OLDI was gonna sound, but uh, you know, he did God's work right there. So but now what's fun though? I like him, I love his team.

You know, he dropped a great project this year. It just does in his own way right looking like there's no you know a lot of times we see what we're doing that we're not part of anybody's really like press running per se like you know, and I few people on our own terms when it's time, and you know, I think if you're a fan of brand, like you know, we always try to strive to get to deliver the definitive conversation with that person, right, I feel like this

one's up there. Yeah. Absolutely, you know what I'm saying. He answered all the questions about waste Land. Um, you know, talked about uh what puffs uh Puff's current campaign about R and BB dad and yeah, yeah, Puff had said that right there. At the time, I was like, oh, this is perfect us rights R and be dead. I don't think I just dropped this heat. Just dropped this heat, yeah, man. And you know, Brent has taken some time off like we all did during the pandemp to kind of like

regroup and find himselves. So I think it really translates into this new project and in the conversation as well. Let's get into it, man, podcast Ain't dead. R and B is not Dead. Sprap Rate Up podcasts, bread Fires, Let's go come fly with me? Yeah, Rap Rate Up podcast? Elliott Wilson Speed. What's yo? Man? We had dinner with this guy, now, the guy R and B guy. We were family at this point. What's brother doing? Great? You're

feeling feeling great? Man? Great? Brother. You've got to be excited about this to be act in the waste Land, right, I'm ecstatic. Yeah, I feel like a dream. I'll just be waking up, just flying. Yeah. So before the album drive, you know, you put up these billboys and you said you'd like to apologize at advance for the person I'm becoming once this album drops. Now it's out. Who do you think you've become? Um, I'm just elevating, you know what I mean. Still cool and still doing the same thing,

but just busier, more focused. Um, it's ready to do more things, right, I would say, what are some of those things um to? Yeah, I'm excited to go on the road. It's it's been a minute, so that, um write more music, collap more, um yeah, just and just different things, like just take up different hobbies or something. I don't know, I'll figure it out. But I feel like I feel like at this point like the world is my ways ship, you know what I mean. Like

just I'm just excited. I feel like it's just been a lot of access since everything dropped. Like it's fun. Yeah, you open your world up, like with collaborations, like getting someone like Tyler like talk to talk about that song Gravity. How did that really because that was kind of first song off the right. Yeah, me and me and Sally we had got a couple of records together because we was just in the studio lock and then just cooking up.

So when me and Dad he made the bet for Gravity, we did these sessions with do This, and they like put us in the studio. We worked on the record and from there I heard Tyler on it. I guess it's because I heard him Steve Lacey Cord, so automatically I'm thinking, like, man, Tyler was sound good on this. So man, we got in the studio. He did that. Cool dude. Then You're on Sweet, a Grammy winning album featured on Speed. How did that come together? To me?

Put up on him? He was in West Hollywood and he had this idea he wanted me on and he had like the idea how he wanted me to sing it. So he wrote the part. You know, I just went and cut it. Yeah. Is he as much of a perfectionist as people say is? Oh? Yeah, he's But we both perfectionist in the same way, so so we we we we might be in there all day just cutting one little part, you know what I mean. But we got a lot of joints together, so I'm excited for him to come out too. How many joints would you

say you guys have about I say, like a good file. Okay, that's a nice little ep right there. Ye bird, I read that you describe waste land as his post pandemic Clusterfuck you think like that? For lack of a better words, do you think the conditions have improved or will ever improve? Um? I've seen improving. I'm seeing the world, you know, open back up and and people being more optimistic about where everything is going. But ultimately we're still We're still kind

of healing from that. Um. But I'm saying everything is back open for the most part. But you've got monkey pots all type of the ship, Like the moment is one thing is better, it's like a whole nether thing.

It's just going on. But the craziest of like you know, you said, the world came out and then the world changed, right, and it's like you really were a great success story in this pandemic, in this in the toughest part the wall, seeing you leveled up career wise, Like, talk about that, and how did that make you feel, like going through all this real life stuff at the same time your career is really picking up. I mean, it felt amazing,

you know, just to celebrate a win. But at the same time I was also, you know, feeling pretty guilty about it. I feel like I couldn't really enjoy it. I couldn't really um, I couldn't really share that, you

know what I mean. So it's almost like when you've got people calling to you and some of you as people dying and I didn't lost my job, And what do you say on the phone to that how you been uh amazing, you know what I'm saying, Like how he just made und streaming or something like that, Like, you know, so you gotta be like, man, I'm hanging

in there. You feel me just like everybody else, because you guys said like I saw an ene view I think was when the desk of you guys said that he was living the life of like going to like a George Floyd uh protests, getting getting tasted. That I mean the tear gas, tear gas, getting tear gas, going to strip club that night and in the studio like this, those highs and lows, the craziness of life. But that's

Atlantic period of Atlanta. Just don't make no namsense. I think that's part of why I love it so much. It doesn't make any sense. Atlanta was like nuts during that time. And it was in eight tiar gases when we was out for at the hotel, but we weren't even really doing ship. We have been protesting all day on big bullshit me. But this is when we got back to those kids and ship outside brother just two gays like it ain't nothing. I was like, damn, it's

children right here, like like what the hell? Like type of top on that ship was nuts though nothing nothing really felt real at that time. And I think that's why I like creatively, um it kind of it kind of inspired me to create, like created during that time, right that the world dropped during the pandemic and you know you couldn't do no shows. But I read that you went on a personal tour, right you were going

from like I was everywhere. I was everywhere man, I was in I was in Atlanta and New York, Miami. I was just kind of moving around, stated a lot of women's cribs and things like that. I did for real, right and even during that time, like you know, coming with during your travels, like a song like uh like the title track the World, you know what I'm saying, Like was that from personal experiences. Yeah, but even prior to the pandemic, traveling was always like one of my

favorite things to do. So I used to spend like summers in London and go to Paris, so like just anyway, um so for me, like I just didn't want the pandemic to slow down nothing. And then plus I was like I had I had like roommates, and you know when you're staying with like roommates, like you don't want to I were staying at the side of house, we staying with roommate just like like you don't really just want to just live with my Like if you got roommates,

that ship is cool. But when the pandemic happens, it's like yo, like I see yall niggas all day every day, you know what I'm saying. So that's when I went back to my parents career for a little bit, like during the pandemic and all that ship recollected. Then even at that point, it's like, as a grown ass man, I've seen yall all day every day. So I feel like I had no choice, but it got THEMN just hop on a plane and go somewhere. What's your what's

your download city? Like London or something like that. A low key ship. I don't want to get too much away with seattle seats like the Honeycomb hide out. I ain't gonna hold you was colding. It's good weed out there. It's rainy, so it's like moody and ship, you know, I mean, good coffee spots and all type of stuff. It's like it's got like a real romantic energy to it. Wastlin kind of has the energy to you know. The

album plays out like a movie. You know. The skits on the album really helped tell the story of this character Christ and it struggles from the monogamy and devices of life. Like how did you come up with that concept? Um? Really, just you know, experience, I guess just moving around, having a lot of different conversations, dating a lot, just being out, you know what I mean. I guess just being outside. Just experience. I think I just kinda pulled from things

that I go through. Yeah, but I mean that's just the you know, the writing in the songs. But like the and I'm I'm gonna make this disclaiming right now, because motherfucker's begetting all confused. The skits are fictional. That's fictional. Not that's not real. That's no, that's not based off no real life experience. That was a script and we wrote it and we acted out. But yeah, but the music, yeah,

that's that all cared from real life experience. That's how something you said that you try to even like it Shakespearean like the storytelling if you're the sequencing of the album you talking about that, Yeah, it's it's it's It's one thing to have a um, a way that you write your music or perspective where it comes from. But I feel like having a story arc is another element to kind of elevated all together. Um. So, really the

Skits was more to give it context. I wanted it to have that that classic protagonists with the fatal flaw, with the moments of clarity and the time where he comes to realization and uh ends triumphantly. You know. I wanted some way to turn it into this this this storyline, this narrative versus it just me and a playlist. Did you have this idea of putting the skits in there too, because it really contextualized the art. Yeah. I always love skits though, like I grew up like listening to the

dog powner Ship. So I just I like the um the classic hip hop elements of just skits like these nuts and all that I love. Yeah, And I read also that you made this album and a lot of different cities, similar to like how he was doing the Pandemic. Which city I guess you found the most creativity from? Was it Seattle or naturally? L A? Just because this is where I've recorded so much music at for so long.

So most of my sessions are always in l A because it's my whole support system is it's easy to get in the studio, my engineer, live out here and produce a live out here smooth but lately like New York. New York gave me a lot of inspiration and gave me a lot of inspiration. The Bahamas gave me a lot of inspiration. I had locked him with the dream out there. Um, I had locked him with the Neptunes

when I was in Miami. So just like I said, every place really right, Yeah, that that neptune is Drake Beat. I said, that's a classic. I think it's a classic record appreciation. It's a classic. It's like the shortest five minute song of all time. Yeah, and it has heavy replay value, like talk about that session and how that came about. It was really smooth. We did the other Tone interview. I was in Atlanta. We did that during COVID the Zoom interview. He Hi was just like coming

come to Miami, let's work on some ship. So it was smooth. I gotta went him and Chad and knocked it out like real Netah and knocked it out like in the day, you know what I mean. And then um, I sent it to Drake because we was going back and forth about doing records anyway we have. We got like a couple of ideas that just never dropped. Just stuff were just sent back and forth. Um, so he cut that ship like two days. Man responsible for putting

Drake on the Neptune's beat man for the first time. Yeah, but I didn't even know that that hadn't happened. I was just thinking, like I was already talking about about to collapse. I got a song that I think he's so hard. I don't even know that that hadn't happened before. So I think that's pretty cool. That's insane. And they both got so many hit records and don't have no

music together. Like I was like, man, that's hard. But like being that record came out a year ago and you're an independent artist and you feel pressure to put out an album because the record had so much success. I don't never feel no pressure to put out nothing. To be real with you at all, just like if if if I want to put something, I put out.

If I don't, I don't UM. I do feel pressure to challenge myself creatively more something anything like just to to make something I haven't made, or two to um speak about something I haven't spoken about, but to just put out music now. I don't really think think of it like that because you know, usually you know how it is ELI and artist has a hit, it's like a pressure to come out with something else to follow up with it. I don't. I don't really think like that.

If it's a hit, then like let it keep hitting, Like I'll do a two part song next. Keep it. You mentioned the dream. You give him a good nickname, you call him the finisher. Why he's the finisher man? Look, because I'll be stuck, bro. I would work on the record. I got really bad Eddie D. So I'll work on the record for a certain amount of time. I could be in the studio for what an hour or two hours something like that, and I'd be like, put up the next one, put up the next song, because I

don't want to. I don't want to ruin the idea, but by trying to finish it too quick, so it might start off super strong, and then by the end of the session, when I'm all burnt out, it ends up being some bullshit. So you know, I feel like I get my freshest ideas when I bring in a fresh out of ears and I might come through it. Finished that ship with a quickness. It makes me feel like I might even gonna hold you. The first time that should happened, I was like, damn, I need to

go back to the drawing board. I was like maybe twenty when I first met Dream and we locked in the studio, so it's it's been years. I was working with Bro and like he put up to the studio, Bro some ship that I have been stuck on working on, and he come to the studio and he finished that motherfucking like thirty seconds type ship, Like going and do put up the next one? Put the next one, put

the next one. I'm like, they're good making me look crazy out here because you're a great rid of yourself, Like, does it put you a lot of a lot of people don't know that the world was in fl once about the sessions that I had been doing with him, because I I had we had been working together before

that project even came out. So he was the one that really showed me like, when you get on the record, you could just say whatever the funk you want, so fun the world wouldn't happened had I not been working with Dream prior to that. So that's like where a lot of the shift happened in my music and where where I write music from. So there's like no ego. You let him do his thing, even though if it's your own creation. Yeah, hell yeah. But that showed me

I don't gotta think too much. I came into the music thinking that I was trying to find some hit formula or find some way of doing it. Um, that's what everybody teaches. You gotta find some forming that, you gotta find some way record, you gotta have some structure, you gotta So it took me getting into the studio with somebody who got hit records that you know, has that massive catalog to tell me you're thinking to that much. You know how many songs on the new album, it's

like four or five songs. I think he can five of them, like four or five. Was that a key moment where on the album that his contribution helped bring a song along? It sticks out in your mind? Uh, rolling Stone, bad Luck? Um, it's quite a few, yeah, ghetto Gas. Yeah. You also give a lot of props to another producer, Jordan where al read that you said he's responsible for constructing the sounds. That's that's my brother man. I've known Jordan's for years, like since I was nineteen eighteen,

Like I'm knowing Jordan's. We got music together, like hell of stuff didn't come out, but during the pandemic, like we were sending ideas back and forth because I was in the studio and something about them strings was just pulling me. Bro I'm like, this is moving me. What is it about these strings? It's just like I don't know, It's just it's bringing the lyrics out. Because like people could send ideas do like all day every day, like whether it be guitar loops or or or or piano loops.

Because I like to work very minimalistic. I don't like to record on full beats, like just sending me a loop and I'll write the whole song and we can produce it out afterwards. And um, he would send me these string loops and for whatever it was, it was like that's how I was feeling at his own, So I just it was the only thing that made me like right, I had real bad writers block for a little bit, and he was sending them strings and it's

like the words would just come out. So like we and we locked in and got damn everything done the whole album pretty much. How long did it take to construct this album? M I said, like a good two years? Two years? Wow, good to years if we're including the records and they drop prior to them and working on those records as well, like a good two years I have recorded. There are songs that I recorded before the records released that you know what I'm saying, that I

had already had set aside for the album. Ghetto Gas and Loose Change. These records were recorded before gravity and wasting time and all that, but the other ones just came out first. I just put them to the side. Okay, Now you begin the album with Georgia Smith on Villain's team, Like, why do you think she was the right voice for that song? That's the home? I don't George forever um, but these just conversations we have a lot, you know. I mean I was curious if it like she serves

as your conscious before the album begins. Yeah, it's the it's the it's the back and forth, right the That's why I got to pitch down vocals, pitched up vocals,

the just that that back and forth. I kind of approached it with how things sound in my head sometimes when you're having multiple conversations or it's multiple people speaking to you, it's multiple like voices or ideas to the point where like it just comes out like so, I feel like that was my perfect way of I guess trying to sonically um display like how shit sounded my mom. In the conversation, you discussed the word toxic and you're saying that's just a Twitter word. Do you feel like

everything is just categorized as toxic nowadays? But I'll be so tired of hearing that don't work talking about something else. I'm toxic now. I ain't gonna hold you. I'm toxic out, Like do you hate when people label your music. That does it offend you? Um? No, I mean it used to. Like when I first heard that ship, I was just kind of like what because that was never that was

never the intention. Imagine You're just writing records that come from your heart, and motherfucker's deemed you with like toxic or something like that. You're like, damn that that hurts a little bit, Like what the funk? I was just keeping it real like, but now I don't really take it like that In your mind? Is really more about honesty, right is that? Is that like your strongest trade? And you absolutely, I just I just want to write from a real place. I don't want to sugarcoat nothing nor

lie just because I'm singing it. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, I feel like it ain't I don't want to. I've done that, you know what I'm saying about this, this and um the last thing I want. And I thought about this early on when I did a lot of touring and started meeting fans for the first time. Um, you write records with a certain formula in mind, on a certain perspective, because that's all you know in the beginning, right, So if you learn like you you sing, this is

R and B music. You make love records, you do verse hook, verse, hook bridge, you feel me hook, and then you finish the record, and then that's what you're going. You know what I'm saying. You go, boys to man, you go, and that's just what it is. But I grew up like listening to rap music, So because I grew up listening to hip hop, I love the way R and B sounded sonically, but when it came to perspective, I didn't listen to it for like like like two

for relatability, you know what I'm saying. I didn't listen to R and B music for like perspective or relatability or some way of living my life too. I listened to rap for that ship. So I felt like, to me, that's what R and B was missing, was just perspective. I don't like just listening to records that sounds good where it's just words. I like to be able to people whole narrative and find some some opinions about it

or something just something. There's got to be some dialogue that's had, so um, I think that's what That's what I've kind of like just honed in on is just making sure that the music has perspective versus it just being some ship that you sing just because you're saying people want you to sing sweet nothing, you know what I mean? Literally like just sing some sweet ship into my ear and that's all I want to hear. But I feel like some ship gotta have some perspective, and

I think that's what separates my music. It's funny because today Puffy tweet out something like who killed R and B? And it's always seems like a conversation around, you know, challenging the state of R and B, Like is is what you know going on now? Meet the standards of the past, of the nineties and the two thousands and stuff like, I mean, people are so stuck in that classic you know, uh R and B, R and B MO, R and B trump that it's like, um, there's people

that wouldn't classify me as R and B honist. There's people that's like that ain't R and B. That ain't what I know. And if that's the case, and I guess not. You know what I'm saying, I personally don't live and die by no damn genre. You know what I'm saying. I don't like I don't think like this is what this is. Like, I really don't care if you think it's R and B music cool, if you don't think it's RB music cool, Like I don't give

a ship like that. I'll just be making music. Um, people love it, you know the ship honest, I don't know what to tell you what the songbo Do you think that sometimes people because there is a lot of you know, just some a lot of stuff that may not be have a lot of substance to it, that some of the stuff with substance, like yourself, gets overlooked because we look at this newer generation that it's not the same as the past. Um. Hell yeah. But that's

with any genre. That's just music period. That's that's evolution. Right since the beginning of time. There's people that have been used to music that's been a certain way. Then some new ship come out. Then the older motherfucker's hated, the young motherfucker's love it, and just go on and on like it kind of pitches me off. The motherfucker's are still doing this ship, Like we all know what's gonna happen. This new ship that everybody hate right now,

it's gonna take over the world. Then everybody's gonna get super attached to it, and it's the whole other ship gonna come out. It's gonna take over the world. But the last thing I'm gonna do is be the old mother fucker that's gonna look at some you niggers and be like, man, this ship garbage. You know what I'm saying. So I don't know. I find that like, uh uh, I think my fucker's gonna just have more foresight, you know.

I mean, I think just keep your ears open, keep your eyes open, just like look for some new ship. I'm always looking for some new ship. I was gonna say that there are other other peers that you feel like maybe those type of people are overlooking and may not recognizing the levels of town like someone like yourself or the other artists that come to mind that UM in different in different spaces because I'm like, I'm not like a super r and b hait Um. I gotta

make arms Its ironic, I make army music. But I mostly listened to like wrapping ship like that, UM and I guess that's that's what that's what my ships sounds like you do. I probably should listen to more R and B music, hip hop influences. Um I was listening to everybody a lot of pop Um snow I like G Funk, a lot so like Snoop, Dass, Drain Ship. Um I like, um, I was a super hip hop when I was a kid, I were on a lot of Tribe, a lot of um Lauren Hill. Um. Just I was a super hip hop like I was a

backpack like all of that ship. But I love hip hop like I love rap music that was like what I grew up on type ship. Are the artists today that you that you checked for um current Landscape? Yeah, my home team Brotray Money, Yeah, all day, every day, like one of the best riders I've ever worked in my life. JUNI home team Background the Way. And it's a lot of artis from different spots. Tony Snowy from Atlanta, um I like Lucky from Chicago. Like, uh, A lot

of rappers. Man, Have you got into connected link with some of your hip hop heros that you grew up listening to at this point? Yeah, I just I don't even remember, but I swear I met everybody where I met everybody. But you don't really do a lot of it, like you sneak a little bars in there, but you don't really do like the full scale rapping and stuff like that. You feel like that's not really as much as I enjoy it. I know, you know, my my, my, my name and my my limitations. I ain't about to

start rapping. But I like it though, right. I know someone else you really likes, Alicia Keys. I read that you grew up listening to her and you have a ghetto gaspy and you said you wanted her to sound like you don't know my name? Was that the tone that you wanted? Yeah? Why did you want that kind of tone for that? Um? I just always thought it was It was smooth, you know what I mean? It was cool. She got a cool tone like her speaking boys. I just wanted to put it on the record. I'm like, man,

you needed you wrapping something? Yeah? And she wrote that all herself? Or was that I wrote it? I wrote it? Okay, I wrote it. I played it for I was like, um, I had cut the reference, so I had recorded all it like when me rapping on it, and then I was like, let me know if you want to wrap this, and she was just like, yeah, let's do it. Okay, what is ghetto gaspy? Like, do you feel like your life parallels the movie Great Gatsby? Absolutely? Man, I've put

a lot from that fam. I watched it so many times. Um old sport for REALM. I like the I like the fact that he that he um that he kind of wasn't supposed to be there, you know what I'm saying, Like he kind of moves in these spaces that he wasn't supposed to be in, but it's like would own the space? You feel me like? I like that was hard to me, and it was really and it was I thought the funt Department. That was hilarious to me was the fact that it was offer some long lost

love and ship like that. I thought that was funny as hell. Maybe you guys was not funny, but I thought that ship was funny as hell. So I don't know. I thought it was flying man. But I think it touched on fame as well. You know, when you got like famous status and cloud and stuff like that, everybody wouldnt be around and he died alone another hip hop thing. I forgot to ask this baby keen lost souls man?

Oh yeah, that's my boy. Yeah he was he was late giving adversity to make the album because of that, Yeah, I'll be just I don't know, I'd just be bullshit. I didn't even go hold I'm a super procrastinate. I went in the studio a million times and tried to cut something and it just ain't coming it was supposed to.

Then I went to New York for a fashion week and I recorded the verse the same time he did the album listening, and so I sent it to him, like right what he was playing the album the last dream right fans were out, and so they put that on there. That's my little brother. One of the records that stood out to me too, is like you mentioned Rolling Stone. It feels like that's like the most vulnerable

record on the album. Like in the first verse you admit to you still got demons from your younger days and you wish they could shake them off, but they follow you, Like what are some of those demons that you just can't shake? Um um. I don't want to go into that, Okay, okay, But they are also moments of self deprecation like richest fucking I'm nothing at the same time, like what does that mean like for me?

Like when I wrote it, it was just like being everything enough and being hit in love kind of like the m I m everything you said I am type of thing, you know that, like like I am with I feel like I think that's tricky about like human nature is that like we are who we are, but we are we are also what everyone thinks of us, right, So it's like you you you know yourself, you know who you are, you know like internally and but also at the same time, um, you are literally what people

say about you mm hmm, like quite literally, like from your closest friends to your family to how people speak on your character. You're like so to an extent you can't give a funk with nobody think about you that you have to give a funk what people think about you. So it's just kind of like it's just that that that catch twenty two, like I'm everything enough and I'm this,

and I'm not I'm good or I'm bad. Let's just it's just being everything, being everything and nothing even the price of fame, you see, like I can't fake a smile like to me or something like you was like you're moving in this business and you're growing, but I feel like you you're not definitely not trying to play the industry game and the way certain things happen, and like it must be a challenge to be a real

one and kind of maneuver through this business. Um it's it's like, um if I started thinking or something, but like, I don't know, it's tricky. Man. I've never been one of them, and I kind of wish I was. I feel like i'd be I'd be like, I'd be way bigger if I could, right, if I was one of my fucker's that could like act like and I'm not talking about act like Brad Pitt movie act. I'm talking about like real life act. Like you go to fashion Week and she's like, I'm gonna give a perfect example.

That ship sucked me up the first time I've seen it. Right, you go to fashion Week and somebody famous whoever, they see their friends, right, and this this ship trip I don't know if it tripped you out the first time you see this ship, but it sucked me up. So like there's a camera right here, right, this person and that person know that that cameras right there, but they got to act like the camera's not there and give each other this huge, big, warm embracing smile and hug

because they know the camera gonna catch it. That ship fuck me up, bro. I was like, you're telling me all y'all motherfucking see these cameras around and all of y'all are putting on performances like in real, real life, in real time. That ship tripped me out. BRO. I was like, this ship is the fucking Maketrix for real. I'm like, no, I should not be here, bro, Like I'm really, I'm literally I'm seeing my fucker's act in real time like the Brothers. But like, that's what I'm

saying that most fuckers will do the most. That's why I can't fake a smile, like since I was a kid, Like you know, they say small for pictures. I'm like, you gotta tell me a joke or something, bro, Like I can't. I can't fake it. So it's very difficult. It's very different that, right. No, even like that we talked about, you know, we talked about you your people is about you know, doing this and you know you're

a real one. You like, let's have dinner, Let's let's check the vibe, because right I committed something like that. I like to get to know people, man, and you know when it when it ain't the cameras and s around, because I feel like that's when you get the real real. But then in some situations don't even get that type. Ship like some of my fucker's is constantly like super in performative mode. And I realized that with like an entertainment like, there's a lot of people that aren't constantly

consistently in performative mode. Like I'm like, brain even know cameras around one and you're like, ship somebody my post phone out of any man for real. But it's not Also why you're so proud of being independent and you know in the path you've made this way of being independent. Yeah, for for a while because I didn't, I didn't. I didn't really know much about you know, the independent music ground or what that, what that men are, what it entailed.

I just knew that like, um, this is the route that my people say is the smartest thing to do. I didn't come into the ship knowing business. So I was just like I'm listening to my team who I trust,

and they're like, bro, we should go this route. So I'm like cool, am I just for a little bit there was even times where I thought tooth and nail, like, man, I want to be I want to be this, I want this now, I want that, And I was thinking that that would do it for me without even you know, really thinking that there's people that are signed to labels that that never got successful. Like they don't talk about all the people that signed to major labels who never

got successful. You can't even get the record out. They don't. They don't speak about it. They speak when they talk about the independent rind versus the the major label ground. They love to talk about the people that are huge success stories have been signed, but most people who signed to labels do not make it out. That's just facts. Most of the most of the motherfucker's with them label signed. It's just ship don't work. So I started looking at

it from that perspective. I'm like, yeah, that's facts. UM. But for a while I thought that UM. Then UM the independent ground was was a UM like a business model, or it was UM a way of going about handling your business or or or music or or marketing. But

it's really a mindset, you know what I mean. I'm starting to see that the independent model was really like UM, I like doing what I want to do, and I like, UM, I like being able to to move in a way that that um that allows me to preserve like my life fem like I can stay private when I want, I can step out when I want, I can do

what I want to do. And I feel like when you're in that in that rat race, and you have these obligations and you've got this this this machine behind you, pushing you, pushing you, pushing you, pushing you to give so much of yourself, you're gonna lose yourself in the process. So I find that, aside from the business and the percentages and all that ship, being independent allows me to move in my own pace and give my fucker's what I want to give them, and not give them what

I don't want to give him. And independent grind is real tough, and it's also rewarding. Whether ever, ever moments where you felt discouraged, like this is not gonna, you know, come to fruition the way you wanted to. Yeah, but

only because I didn't know no better. It was a time where I thought that everybody had money except me, like like every new artist, I guess, but I thought that I thought everybody had money, and I didn't have no money like I would see my fucker's do these music video shoots, and my fucker's got chains and cards and all types of ship and I'm in a one betroom apartment with folk my fucker's femin So there was a time where I was really thinking, bro, why everybody

got money and I don't got no money? Is it because I'm independent? Now? The truth is everybody didn't have no money like it was everybody. There's a lot of my funcker's that didn't have no their money, but you know they don't. They don't tell you that because the label job is to make it look like you've got some money. Stuff right there. We're gonna give you the car, We're gonna give you the co signs we can give, We're gonna put your studio with this motherfucker. We're gonna

have cameras flowing around everywhere you go. And I didn't. I didn't have that, you know what I'm saying. So I was thinking, like, damn, everybody getting money but me? But now everybody everybody looked like they got money, you know what I'm saying. So I was gonna say, how do you define success at this point, then, Man, I've never you know, I've never pulled woodrobe for a magazine shoot. Just shot g the other day. I just go out and buy clothes. My closet is nuts, for real, Like

it's actually fucking ridiculous. Like my closet is nuts. My motherucker just sent it for free, and I just get free clothes and free whatever. You know what I'm saying, Like to me, like, that's what independence looks like. Like, mother, you see me wearing the chain, that's my chain, you know what I'm saying. You see me wearing some you see me wearing some ship a fit that costs a hundred thousand dollars, that's my ship. Right, So I like, I don't really know. I don't really fake the funk,

you know what I mean? So how did they? But you probably still be more independent with this last project you paired with Troy Carter's company. You talk about that partnership and um why that was important, Umm, the homies, But really really just like on some on some marketing like digital marketing and ship like that, so that that that was really some ship that that came up from

like my job. I had been on him niggers, But they they're like older guys in the in the in the business that see yeah, and that's seeing how we was moving and seeing how we did an independence and it was like, bro, like we wanna we want to help y'all. We want to see how y'all ship can go further. So just on some like, man, we have

industry knowledge. We've been doing this for a while. Um, let me tap in with the with these young niggas who's doing their shoot on their own and see how we can continue to compete against this major label system. You know what I mean because that people just say it was is that you still really independent, because if you got these industry connections, that why you had a

big first week the way you did. Some you know, some people are speculating it's actually kind of funny because that's I've been hearing that and that's something that I don't even really know how to defend. I'm gonna be honest with you. That's like me walking up to you and be like, are you a black man? Like? What the funk do? I like, uh, Like what I'm going to say? Nothing, No, you're not. And I'm like, yeah,

Like I don't know what to tell you. But I think for anybody that wants to get in the business and once their business to grow, they got to know that strategic marketing is necessary. Right. So if even if you own a mom and pop spot, or you um or you or you gotta shoot store or whatever, you hire you hire people to market your your product from people that don't know what what that is. That's getting maximum visibility, right, So somebody's marketing your ship. You want

your ship to be everywhere. I want everybody to see me. I want mother fucker's to think that got that this is foot locker. You want a mom and pop shoe store, you want motherfucker's to compete with foot locker, Like this is what the funk I want to be. So you hire strategic marketing team, you hire digital marketing, you hire people that can make sure your ship has seen everywhere you go. And that's what we did. That's what I

did with this project. Like everybody would make that move was no, hell no, I'm like so independently, I'm like, ship, We're doing this all on our own. We have the we we have the budget to be able to afford the best of the best people would experience because of the money that we made off the last project, So naturally I want to re up. You know what I'm saying, We're gonna take what the funk we got. We're gonna invest in the in the best team, who makes the label,

who they hire, who do they get? We want to get them as they get, you know what I'm saying, Like, that's that was the So for motherfucker's to think that you for me that um or the dispute being independent because you hired people to grow your business, that that's kind of flabbergasting. Also that you're investing in yourself. May you've been in touch with us? Is singing coach? Yeah? Hell yeah, I's just saying, coach, we should keeps vocal coach.

I'm trying to be the best of the best. Bro. Yeah, you want to take your vocals to the next level? Like what does that even look or sound like for you? I'm finding out now. I'm find out every day. I'm find out every day, bro, Like I'm unlocking something new every time I do a lesson. Really yea. Like as far as vocally, do you what do you think is like do you need improvement on just the tone or um? I say, just my being winded and ship like that because you know I'll be smoking in bullshit and so

just just disciplined singing more often, strengthen the instrument. Yeah, I was never. I was never when the when the casts, I really like to sing like that, Like I didn't like, I don't walk around, just be like I'm finishing, I'm you know what I'm saying. So like, that's That's something that I've just been trying to hone in on. It's just really um loving my voice and maintaining it and protecting it and treating it like it's something that I actually care about versus it just being a means to

make songs. Got you you still care about? Make it out Alive? Is that the next project that we're cooking up? Hell yeah, I love the name, so I'm still working on it. Do you have a concept it is going to kind of follow the same vein as I can't get it away, can't get away, I can't give it away, But it's it's I've already got a couple of songs like in the words for it. That ship is incredible. Okay. My final questions, why are you making us get up

in a helicopter? Man? What's going on helicopter idea? You have? Man, what's going on with this man? Something new? Man? Were trying new things? Okay, you appreciate it, man, I'm into new things. Man. I had a couple more questions. Just want to ask because some of my favorites. Jackie Brown wanted it's by Pam Gris character from the movie, Like, why did you use that as a using inspiration? Because she's realist she did realist mature. It's like you feeling

fly as woman. You know that Another thing is like as far as woman goes, like a lyrical that stood out to me. It is like I think it's a rolling stone. He said, Like, first, I'm excited that I'm a gasline to make up your mind, Like when it comes to dating in your dating life, do you like those surface those claim surface all the time. I mean, of course, that's just you know, that's just the ship

that people say. Yeah, I mean that's just another everything enough and like first of exciting them, guys, like it's just like that said this base. That's one was perception, like you say I'm this, you say I'm that, like whatever, whatever, okay, right, And the same thing you also ask what the purpose. What purpose do you advice is serving your life? Would you reflect on yourself? I'm trying to find an answer all the time, man, I'll be trying to figure out why the funk I do what I do? UM? I

think at this point inspiration HM. To be real with you, I think as an artist, a lot of a lot of ship that we do, we do to make art about it. M like, ultimately, UM, living exciting life to then't have contented to create a round? I got this. I remember you haven't seen him the sake commercials, the bier yo. Yeah, like the most interesting man in the world. Yo. He goes into these spots you feel me dressed off fancy and talks about all the ship that he did.

Like that's who I want to be, the most interesting man in the world for real. Throw it through. I want to be able to go somewhere when I'm old and be able to be like, I don't do this, I did that. I was there, I spoke, I spoke to this motherfucker, I did whatever. Like I've seen it all,

did it all? You know what I'm saying. I want to I wanta one day be able to say I speak like four or five languages, and I know how to surf and I know how to just all type of random ship, which is why we're getting up in the helicopter today. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah to be that Let's go baby, Has there been a podcast helicopter podcast? Be now? I said, grand fast Yeah yeah yeah. So when we do brand back in style, like we're literally

looking among the wasteland. Yeah, let's see what I was saying, like, it's so dope We're going to l A because like in your career, how pivotal l A was U like the hardwood floors and that journey, Like every time I touched down from wrong somewhere else, it feels like the

first time. Right, Why do you think l A ended up being in that area where it's like to be at home of that control of like career breakthrough, the history, just the history and the access and the resources and the fact that there's so many different types of people at one place. It's one of the most heavy proflmy in the city. So yeah, I was talking like we grew up in New York, and when you go up in New York, you know like like the d n B, you think the Collie just like Hollywood, and it was

like it's his own culture coming from Maryland. You ever think you will be at this level? Is literally in heights. This is always the vision, right, No, this is like all I have on one of type ship like experiences like this when it comes translate into your music. I mean I write. I write most of my stuff in the area on the plane. I wrote a lot of stuff on the plane. Why did you think you draw aspiration from that? Wrong? Really, I'm not distracted like they

nobody text. You can't nobody hit your bo You're looking down and feel um. You feel reflective? All right? Everything like Velo seems so small. Yeah, you got this big record, like I am saying, wasting time? Right? Did you know that record was gonna be in calming? What it is? Mr? That two is a joke, right, Yeah? So it's such a it's five minutes and most songs traditionally like three minutes.

You know, they're really short for streaming purposes. But it's like when it's done, you wanted to run it back, coming back, Such a great record. I love that joke. Yeah, you guys haven't performed it yet, right that most of my candialog at this point happened this moth. Yes, how are you posting to new tour? Like? How much is gonna be most effect focused on the new I'm like, you have it in your mind how you're gonna cap the show? Yet I'm working it right now. I just

know what my guys are nothing. Yeah, you're gonna put it together. Listen to nuts, what's see? Do you feel like you get the most love from when you're performing? I can't even just everywhere, everywhere, everywhere, like and I was actually worried about that when I first started touring befalling. Oh. I thought some shows were gonna be this, some stance will be I don't know what to expect. But every show felt like telling every show right, how do you?

How do you think you've gotten better as a performer? And be like watch your parents or like you study game take all the time. I studied everybody. I study everybody like Bobby Brown, everybody right, And I know, like, since it's been so long since had those shows, I don't want to. I don't want to short change the body.

People come out and see what they want to experience, so I want to give them that power like that with the podcast, like it was kind of on the low building up and now the world's hoping the back up to like almost like how do we attack this? Right? Let me take it from the next level, right, And that's where it was writing. My bread for the wrongness is just how yeah, like how to do it? Like

how do how do I post this? And Thisially when I started doing shows, you can't might have been like a what two thousand venue, but now everything has grown so much since stead stay doing a lot of video and not moving forward. I gotta go from doing five other people fencing other people doing them in ten other people and I I never I didn't get a little round with it. So I have to really learn how to do um a bigger stage without ever having to experience that before. So I don't I don't even really

know what to expect. Well, I know it's gonna be crazy, right, and isn't important to kind of doing your own terms and see's like obviously could probably doing all this and that's the FRU culture. But is that a decision And that's not the right thing to you right now? I think for me, it's easier to do a big stage if I can SERI experience yeah, big yeah, that's the thing, right, and that should have looked good. But how much of that mass is there for you right? As a look,

I've been studying the stick. I like, I like stings last sommer, like gow he's surrounded by it's generous. So I want to like apply just and things like that. How a strange I have live interrimutation on said and like in the orchestra, I wanted to feel like you're going to a symphony. Okay, I feel like you're a coach of production. I remember where like it if i'm it's like like you know, sonically it may not be like the most perfect thing, but it's like this is

the sound that that kind of draws that meg. It's just that it's but it is that prettiness in that character and that personality that that that makes it like it's the imperfection of make it perfect. Yeah, that's any irk you when nobody but somebody may not connect to that part of it or is it it just aren't So it's like a subjected I don't know. I don't

take music takes some hand like I never did. I was never one of the people that like if somebody like it, I'll take it personal, like yeah, music and subjective. It is meant to be. It's meant to be judged. That's just how it is. Like I don't know. I don't take that too hard. That's what that's what people do. We listen and we judging. You take some food and taste good or it tastes bad. I can't. I can't

not know why food with the taste. So when you're crafting this settless, how do you figure out what songs you're gonna make because I'm sure there's a lot of fair of favorites. Well all right, instead on talk too, So I like to arst everything. I arst everything, throw over the settle list of the ones that I want to perform and the biggest ones I think people are gonna feel, and then maas stuff out of tour goes

will swap them out. So you might take a couple of records out of put some new ones in and just test to see how to fulfill it. Are you gonna type an audience to like test out a brand new never go through the record that historic pop. But I'd love to be there. I'd love to be additions. I think it's good if you're if you're working with live musicians, like the same love of musicians in recording process that you wantso happened to be working when you perform,

and that's it's easy. It's like nothing to work. Do something the night before with the band and they go on stage and man after the next night and the performance it because you're working with the same people. So that's why I wanted Jordan's want the same producer for the album to assist a lot with the with with the orchestra on the band for this, so the same place with paved from the same place. It's gonna it's gonna be translated a villain statement will make it look

really dump. And former planes or girls who dated listen to the album in contacted you thinking that you pulled from their your relationship with them. Someone I've played it for him before the project draft. Okay, now I would like I'm making a song about a certain checking out playing for that night. That great. Wow, I feel like it was spared something. When it comes down, there's super line, whether it's good or bad. I think it's somebody takes

the time to write anything about you. It's like, yeah, it's sweet, right, So someone's like you go more and the kind of embrace that bond and when that is you really gonna be with Shorty or not you're racing that mom, because I think ultimately like it'd be it'd be insulted to spend some much time with somebody not

be inspired at all, you know what I'm saying. So just a simpler fact that I wrote a record about it taking the first place, whether it's good or bad or ugly whatever, she's just happy that she has started the process. I thought it was very deep that she, like your reflection was like, hey, maybe I live a certain lifestyle because that also I draw the art from it, I drew I draw that from it, like you know,

what's good to see? He's like really looking at it from that perspective and like, ha, com into your street. What it is? I feel like ultimately, like you know, like the type of life you live. I think certain people are just not your wrist taking like that's just he would just like you generally motorcycles and like some

people just like you like that. I just happened to sing as well put it in what would you like as like a real like I'm talking like Kenney going first grade even he's like he was at your shorty, that like at that level of imagination many. I used to um, I had two things I want to do. I used to draw a lot. I was like a super like artistic here. I used to I was one of the more product just kids. I took classes at man in class of art when I was like, hey, wow, I was a class with a host of kids and

she's like eight years old. Good. I was really good at John. I thought that's what I was gonna do. Um when I ended up in my music, but I wanted that and I was I wanted to be a secret agent secret I was looking. I wanted to be a spot I thought that it was all fine. Were you working with a lot of the legis man a right? So we gotta drink already in the chamber you want to work with, But you have y'all say whoa I signed to call fact? Yeah? I think I think the

Dream could make that happy time. Yeah. What do you think about the work that he's doing on the Beyonce's album to Dream. I love that friend Jack. I like the um, I like the production. I like them a lot of choices. Mhm, that's just screw as right, that's a good listen. I'm I'm not even told of demographic. I'm ye yeah, but like even that, like I'm still

a smooth listen. You know what I'm saying. I'm sure you know working with the Dream, you've always been a fan of his, so that stood out to you that you were a fan of Are you a fancy guy? Fancy? Oh? I remember I was in seventh grade when set Up came out. I was telling you when I first heard him, I was like, I'm not even a lot of man. When that's all set Up came out, I thought that was like the greatest thing ever made. And he was like it is, Yeah, that sounds like terry God Like

I like it. I like it. You also locked it with no I d How was that experience? Oh that's that's that's big, bro, bro. I just aside from just from just the music, I soaked up so much industry knowledge from the food, like because he would. The dudes were like, he's not scared to give you the jim so we'll see in the studio. Were talking like all day we might not even make a meat all day. We didn't even get the music good that day, and we're just still talking all day, right, like just it

just it's heel just download he's alleged and a half. Yeah, I think that we did with jay Z and the four for a four project come on a lot so much industry knowledge, bro, Like a lot of a lot of a lot of like how have you said? My thought process and wherever over when it comes to like strategic things I make and doing, like the music and really came from just my conversations with brother. Would you

ever do a project or just one producer? Yeah, yeah, definitely. Yeah, I'm not I'm not a post I'm not really close to anything musically. Long as it works. I decided to take the time to get it perfect and with it out, don't or whatever. One day I want to do a project and I solely produced all my son, I'm gonna get that. I just gotta I feel like right now

just learning from everybody. Uh Like I've been up learning from everyone so eventually be able to life you everything myself some time, Mr Child, Yeah, I mean that's how I started making music, was do whateverything by myself. You have to be evening you have any like from the duction ver fluence that that ain't going a lot of even like you did or no, yeah, um, I put a lot from forty body so crazy, so crazy notice for Relic Chad, so many people, A lot from you,

A pull a lot from Alicia. Yeah sog so much. Man. We did you Anlicia rookie person. Yeah okay, yeah yeah, we sat up. We set the video that feel you know, Okay, the records just try and swiss board up show that's that side that's up up with the hippox. She like, I remember when um, you grew up with the gold Link, the crew record, everybody trying to tell you to like the hook man. Right, so now you can establish yourself. You know, you still get a bunch my invop artists

and like how select them? Is that process now? Absolutely? Yeah, definitely like that they never stops. But I think I'm kind of like afford the leisure of being being um very selected. Yeah. So now like I think with that, I can I can kind of control my sito, Like you want me to do a record, like you gotta touch it. I got to sign a certain way like yeah let me like let me, let me, let me

got a elements to it. Right about that you're doing the hook right, Yeah, so that go bravely the tyler or a key, but that may not feel right with other artists were saying, it's just this is all about like how it how it sounds, how I feel that thing dropped. Man, that was a big record, Like did you know that was gonna take on the way and then keep uh oh no right, but me say, I was just doing sessions. Yeah I was. I was just working. I WoT I've been doing sessions every day for record

pass Like yeah, so I didn't. I didn't know. I thought it's just another record that we cut the studio and it's another one. Like so that's just the success that I record kind of force you can grow up in the bud. It's like, oh ship, like this is what it happened to my mother or something that's big. So I gotta make sure my ships in order. Yeah, I mean it made me look it made me look at different, It made me look at anything I did

like it could go. Yeah you know what I'm saying, anything I did it could fly like it's no, it's no telling. Yeah, when you like, what's validation. At this point, we talked about success, but like is it a truth? Is it a Grammy. It's the money, Like what's holiday, It's it's experiences. Man, It's being able to do an interview with you know what the Elliott on the helicopters. Right to me, that's validation, right. They can't get an

award for that. Trophies just been away with the ground and gone not gonna like this's my type of ship, right with that Drake trophy. Remember he played that when his shows. It was at a shock stage and we were yassing, like, yo, you gotta finish that records, even hit Boy. I think we helped encourage him like this ship for the record album. It's like, you know, it's like you said, like you may't write a song, but you can't finish it, but you do it song. But

then you go up on the idea. But it's like now go back and like that sound is so dope. You gotta take it to the terstin Like, yeah, that's what I thought about this state of fine Hollywood. Yeah,

copy that ship. Really I used to remember on Hollywood and Hotter for like six seven years, even recognizing like I went from like stand some times Florid to like getting a studio apartment and then with my brother Arens's two big in the studio apartment and one gulment apartment and all these boodation was four nigga and one goul apartment. And then from going there to get the spot online and that was like the first time I had something. I was pretty easy. I'm looking on fine unlesh was

good as far. I was run across in the w on to nother Funcker's playing an Afro me every fucking night. I'm trying every night. So we said, what's that transition from going from there until when you go into these cities you're like the Beatles to get a mob. What's that like? I don't know. I'll be kind of sucking me up because I still feel like nobody know me. I don't know. Always with the same people do the same ship all the time. I guess my my group

of friends just what we do. But the only difference now is we do the same ship. But people just want to me that's awesome because I saw in New York, yeah, and it gets New York is a tough city, so to have that out of Mom and Sea I remember walking through, so it couldn't afford nothing. I couldn't even

like I don't going through. So like my first couple of times I went to New York, I actually didn't even stop us alf because it's just like I'm not going you know what walking paste places that snow good to eat. Damn, that's just snow good. It's fun. But you know you gotta got Dady Thedonald's so like shutting down. So right, at what point didn't click for you that this is real? I think this little by little, it's still clocking right. It's not necessarily like I touched down.

I was like, down, you gotta get the downs you really right? I mean to an instance, sometimes like when you like when you like I was a kid and you just dream bad, like you've been thinking like should be like make it with yoursething, so you've been thinking like you're getting the studio and work with somebody, And I said, you mean that it's over and then't like keeping your phone and it's like wait, like oh ship,

like we're friends, like I should be kind of crazy. Um. Sometimes I was like wait a minute, like like these my father's there's people that I grew up listening to that became a homies. Like it's more brokers that you grew up watching on TV that be come to homes like that's just gonna right. Like you think that it's like, oh, you think it's like one moment it's just done. But it's like, yeah, you got another car the next day, you're another on the next day, somebody else listen and

just keep going. Now it's like I'm constantly introduced the other days. So I know so many people not have been doing it so much longer than me. Now, my like my tastes team, like the toys. I want change. It said that I want change, Like we'll just keep Relevaby like the name used to be, Like, man, I really want this parent sneakers and I really want this happen. I don't really want that jersey. And I was like, man, I really want that boat. I really want that car.

I really want that. Everything just changes. A chicken really called Louis the thirteen for you MC Queen's you Forgive You Forgive the real stor I that was a dream, Yeah A queen. He put me on the lower yard team. I've never even had it that I know you have mentioned earlier. You're saying the dog food is like one of your biggest inspirations, any other projects that you looked to as like babite rap albums, All Eyes on Me,

All Eyes on Me? Forgot listen to that shit. Every time I touched down to l I listened to all of them play something from now before before I land around. It's doing it again. I listen, all man, that was the fastest study, even this in my life rap rador Is. Interval presents original production from hyper House, produced by Laura Wasser, Hosts and producers Elliott Wilson and Brian b do Miller.

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