Warryn Campbell

on a level, high level, high level, write it, sing it. Uh. Then he gonna he gonna design the clothing for you to wear on it. And then if your heart ain't right while you're wearing the clothes, he gonna preach you. It saved your soul. Yeah, I'm talking about twenty seven Grammy nominees, nine time winning award, winning warden by du Yes. Why am I screaming, I don't go, mister my block him himself. You're going to cut myself. Yeah, Joe blood, I love how you how you so hype, but he's

not giving you anything better? Yeaz um. First of all, first of all, I mean your family, so man, well, thanks thank you for giving us shi because I know this is you know your time is precious. Listen, man, thank y'all for having me. This is Anna and listen. I hadn't seen everybody sitting this year. I feel like I'm somebody. It's like the Woody d Yeah. Yeah, I'm a little upset that, you know, you let me retire

without giving me a hit record. You know, no discography is vast you you know you can't do it take you know, you know we can't speed down like we you know, we we we talked, we listen interacting. We're gonna we're gonna do a record now. Nobody might never hear. You might not want to put it out because you were tired, but we're gonna do this record. I can't and it's gonna be so good. You're gonna be like everybody got to hear. I can't. I can't do a record,

but you and not put it out. It's gonna be that good. Like, Okay, people need to hear it this. They got to hear this. Um, thank you bro again. Absolutely man, and you know, and we need to do it at Marvin's room too. That's why we need to do that in the Marvin Gay studio. I'm serious, We're gonna do that. Yeah, it's just it's becoming a moment. Yeah yeah, yeah. Oh you know what I saw on your discography nothing anything cut you off. I saw that one of your wins was you Know Where I'm Going

was Jennifer Hudson R and B Album of the Year. Yeah, yeah, I was on that album. But then I have you to think because my songs. I don't even know how good my song was. And they told me that I didn't qualify for hardware, only a certificate. Well, here's the thing which is wrong. Talk to me and I can

speak to it. I served on the board of governors at the Nearest for a two times and we had this argument over and over again about hardware versus statue being valid as an actual Grammy and the it's really split down the mill. Some people say, no, the statue is the heart, the certificate is a Grammy up or

some people know the hardware is grammself. If you count the certificates, I'm like, I got twenty Grammys, but hardware wise, I only got what was that last year I won for Best Rap Song and that was my fifth hardware hardware, So you can consider that plaque because it's a win it says she got best R and B Album of the Year. I didn't get it. I didn't get hardware. I got a plaque just like you. Why don't we get hardware because you have to? Why do other other

genres of music? No? No No, no, no genre does you have to be as a producer? You would You would have to have produce or more of that album to get does that other genres? Everybody does so? Like so for instance, my wife when she put out her first solo album, uh, she won for best Gospel Album, Right, I get it. I got a hardware because I produced the entire thing. Well, you're her husband or or or yeah, that's true. The married Mary joints. You know, I get

hardware for that a husband and brother. And let's say if I do you know Tank got ten songs on an album, you win, I produced seven of them. I'm getting hardware, I know. But that's that's really tough fa urban space now though, yeah really does especially like on an album like Kanye's last album Dona, there is twenty seven producers on one song. It's a game of people on there, like when it's a lot, so how are

they gonna split that up? But music is collaborative. So my thing is, I mean, if you played a part, let gets something for It's all them, it's all the reason why it's album of the year. So the actual money to make. Man, it costs more money to make, but album of the Year gets everybody get a statue for album of the year, you know what I mean?

R and B album, Oh yeah, and then we just get the plaus And I think that if it's what's so different, I get it that it's across all genres, right, but that's really unfair to everybody who contributes to the entire body of work to not be able to participate in now. And I think, you know, being that we now have as a president fellow R and B you know, const constituent, he could help change some of that because it is, it is a thing. It's unfair. We should

be getting them. We should be getting them. Statues. Need some man, we need some hardware around here. I can't even get a nomination. Shit, I gotta start. Listen, man, you look like a Graham. Look at that brod skin. What are you drinking? You know, sixty three years old? Just like that. When I mess you, I might have been a teenager did my god do it actually was when we met. Joe Lewis is now one of my guys. The other day he said, what what's going on? Man?

You drinking tomato juice? Everyone? I don't ak ho Lewis Lewis did he go that one? Baby dub sir. Let's let's go back to the beginning a long time ago. Yeah, let's start. I think I'm older than everybody here. Yeah, you sure you got you have grab That doesn't mean anything. I mean, I can it could be black. It was black last month because I'm a good I just turned forty seven. You know what I'm saying? Things really happening for me? Were I don't. I'm so forty seven. When's

your birthday? August? I'll turn forty eighth this year. Okay, you got me by about three months. Wow? Yeah, but I thought you was about two three years younger than me. I am. Maybe it's the pictorial muscle, baby jay, baby jaw gonna you learn how to count to man, because she ain't way to August. It's not three or four months older than me. He turns, He turns in there, and then I turned forty eight, So August September October

November December. That's four months. Oh you turned your birthday, dreamer, Yeah it's not three months, but somebody to count for. Yeah, well, don't do that no more. Man, We're gonna man what dub Let's go to the beginning, man um. I feel like I feel like there was a church involved. I feel like you might not even have been born in the hospital. I feel like you were born at the church. You really a native too, You really a la name yea yea through Like where when did somebody to say

to you that boy special, that boy man? Or when did you and went and when did it click for you that? Okay, I do something different. So I'm born born in Watts Me and Tiree is born in the same hospital, raised in South Central. I'm what you call a pew baby because I you know, they brought me home from the hospital and we went straight to church after that. But then I was raised you know, uh a street car fifty second in the city, second of

Normandy right in the hood. Uh gang culture five Duce Hoover Crips was was the neighborhood I grew up in. So I had both things happening. Are you a five duce, I'm a I'm a I'm what you call a writer, so you know we can get into that. You know. I really wanted to be jumped in so bad. My dad said, if I catch you, I hear that. She didn't got jumped in and put on I'm gonna kill you myself. And I was much more afraid of him than anybody on that block. Yeah, I was like, yeah,

I take my chances. Yeah, yeah, but yeah. So my family um in the small church that I was raised in was called King's Chapel Apostolic church on the east side of la Um was a very very liberal Black church because the bishops daughters were R and B singers. One was my godmother. Her name was Eton the Right Perry. She passed a couple of years ago. She was the lead singer in the band the group the Honeycomb going to put it on the one as the leads leading

and the their father was our pastor. Her Her older sister's name is Darlene Love. She's known all over the world for being the Christmas Latest, the Christmas Songs of Phil Specter, that that that that documentary Twenty Feet from Scars start them. She was the start of that she on an oscar. Those were their sisters, their sisters wow, and so I grew up in their father's church. So and then my family and their family was the music department. My dad played bass and directed the choir and singing

the choir. My uncle was played the oregon. My cousin played the drums. I played piano and drums. And the choir was my mom and my cousins and it was everybody. And then my uncle was a director in the same lead. He's a guy that singing, Uh, I'm going to sing the song for you. That's my uncle Michael. He passed away in eighty seven. He was on Broadway. So in our little church that it was only like a hundred people in this church. He was all his music. Everybody

would come to my church. Ever the barge would come, Bonno would come, Diane Warwick would come, just Andre. People will just come because the music at that church was crazy. And I'm the church musician. I plus started playing drum. I'm at four in the church and so, yeah, four years old, four years old, Yeah, I was holding it down. By nine. By six, I was playing bass. By nine, I'm playing piano. And the thing is you better know

how to play. You can't be whack, you know, because because there's no shoulder, there's no embarrassment like church embarrassment when you up there playing and then the sing go like this, like like don't don't stop. I'm a saying acapella because you mess them yet or they or they say and somebody hit you with them. Yeah, they move you over or that scoot or that scoot you over, like watch, I got you in for an and everybody

look at you a hot You don't want that. I've been scooted off to be three piano player and I couldn't quite get my feet together. You could get the choreography, the choreography, and the preacher was hooping and I knew I was nailing it up here. I wasn't quite nail He looked at the other organs. That's when they do this. The switch side was somebody playing wrong. This is the sign. That was the sign church switch like, get some somebody else, get up there. I didn't even get that. I got, yeah,

that's I felt some arms school profiles. That's that East Coast embarrassment. You yeah you're white, but that's where I was. You know, so much music and it's all at this point you are you even listening to secular music? Yeah, but you're listening. Oh yeah, yeah, because my you know, like I said, all that was happening in our church. I mean, the bishop's daughters were R and B stars, you know what I'm saying. Like, I mean, they were

doing it, and all these people was around. Even when they needed, like people, somebody need to acchoire some kids, they would come get us. We'll sing on all records and all kinds of stuff. So you know when my other friends whose fathers were pastors and preachers, like you know, like Nissan rapping them, they could not listen shoutouton the Nissan Stewart raptor Stewart. Uh, they couldn't even they couldn't do none of that. And you know, because I was,

I was super progressive for that time. Yeah. My dad, let me tell you what He's help to him. One time. I never I met Mario Winans when I was fourteen. He was out here playing drums for his moms at some church. Little Mario or no Mario. Yeah, yeah, this sun Yeah, before he became you know, big hit hit man. Yeah, he was one of the coldest drummers in the world, right, Yeah. So I'm talking to him. He was telling me about how he don't food with secular music, and I was

so enamored by him. I was about fourteen, he's a little bit older than me. He had just produced this some some uh, this gospel group and it was killing. I just thought I wanted to be Mario. He's like, y'all, don't fool was secular. So I said, okay, shoot, that's what I'm doing. I ain't a secondary. So I go home to my dad, just trying to impress my dad. Really, you know, a dad, you know I'm not ever gonna do no. Secondly, because my dad said, man said, now,

let me talk to you. He said, you don't do construction like me. You don't type, you don't take dictation. You are a musician. That's your occupation. I see all this music, you like this R and B. I don't really like all that custom because I was heavy in the n W at the time. But you do the music in your heart that you like because music is your occupation. Now you got your occupation and your salvation. What you don't want to do is let your occupation

run all over your salvation. You gotta have standards, and that's what my dad told me at fourteen. You don't want to let your occupation your salvation. Yeah yeah, and so at that you know, so I just I went to death row. Welcome to death, Welcome to death Row. Yeah yeah, And I think your video after this conversation. I mean, obviously it's some time, but yeah, no, but you know, it was some time. But my father and at that time, we weren't in that little church anymore.

Now my father's the pastor now and I'm the musician at the church. And you know, my dad sent me out to do this. He was like, no, you do what you do and come back. At that point, yeah, I remember we talked about my friend Nissan Stewart going to his dad and saying, Bishop Stewart man this letting nisignd come with me to do this gig Rest in Peace Puff Johnson Rmby singer. She hadn't put a band together. We went to go do y'all remember the Impact Convention. Yeah,

absolutely absolutely. Nissan came with me. He played and was we was trying to get her and get back, get Ni something back for church. It was late, so he got into the airport landed in La get to the house. Bitch was sitting in the kitchen. Y'all didn't make it back to church. I said, Bishop Nissan, make eight hundred dollars. He said, eight hundred dollars. We'll take him again next time too. He opened, now Nissa, he opened and rapture.

He started doing stuff, you know. But my dad was like, really like on some No, you go and do what you got to do. Like, this is your job, make money, do it. It doesn't affect how you live your life. No, no, he was like, you you can be saved into your job. He says, I'm a pastor, and when I leave church, I go to work. What do I work? My dad worked at the brewery. He worked at anne Hauser Bush for thirty five years. Wow, I'm the pastor. I make beer, so they don't pay my bills. I paid my bills.

I said, Okay, that's your occupation. Two different things. So that's that's how I lived my life. Now. My my um north star in music is Quincy Jones. Yeah, and everything that Quincy Jones did I just tried. I would read all about them whatever I wanted to do. That that's the reason why I went to work for Electration Records to do an R and when I got there, I read that Quincy Jones wouldn't take a black title VP of A and R of Black Music. I was like, I'm not taking the black title, So I want to

be involved in the conversations, you know, with everything. So with Silvia Rong, she I'm in the room when she's I'm at I'm with her. When she goes to see Jet and she signs Jet, I'm in the room she signs Jason Murras, or when she's working on a Metallica and Staying album, I'm like in the conversations because I want to be involved in all that because Quincy Jones

did it. Quincy Jones was scoring absolute and if you go, I'm talking about in the Heat, in the Heat of the Night, the Palm Broker, and then the sixties, the movies, the Italian Job, the original Quincy and he did it on paper like this. Yeah, So I'm like, I gotta do that. Like I'm like, I wanted to emulate that guy. So you know, oh yeah yeah, my dad man shout up to my pops. He told me. When I started playing,

he realized I had a gift. You know, he says, Listen, I don't want you to be another dime a dozen church musician. That's exactly what he said, because everybody can play. Listen listening to church. Everybody in his church play. Everybody I played, play, did everybody play? But what you're gonna do with it? After that? I need you to go. I'm gonna send you that he sent me the lessons.

I was in Artie Colburn Conservatory. It was at usc Um School at twelve, learning classical music, learning to play classical piano. By the time I was fourteen, I was in music composition in classes. He took me a guy named Herb Mickman who was a bass player and an m d. For Sara Van who taught me jazz composition and in theory and things of that nature. And I learn how to write from piccolos all the way down to double basses in orchestrate, you know what I mean?

So um, you know? And I didn't student, yeah, yeah, And I didn't, Like I tell people all the time, I didn't do that just to play with eight away to make high hats go fast like I really want to do it. I could do that. Talk, Yeah, can we stop. Yeah, yeah, can we pause the pot for a minute. I don't know, I don't know who needed

to hear that. I don't know, I don't know who needed to feel that, floss Man, but my god, Okay, you know we were in the time now where you know, we talked about earlier the sounds and how that was, you know, um, a part of the the sonic identification of a producer. Now everybody the reason why the radio sounds like one long song because everybody's getting the same sounds from the same places they go. You can go a line download sounds and everybody's doing the same thing.

When we were digging through records to crates and I, oh man, I found a snare from Blah blah blah, oh Man, and I had my own little thing with that, and that was my sound. You know, nowadays I like to keep with that. So it may take me a little longer to do a record. That's okay. But when it comes sonically, you don't know it's me, You're gonna know it's something different. You know, you're hurt, you're hearing something different than what you hear normally. You know what

I'm saying, I wish I'm teaching my son. Now he's twelve. He's playing bass and programming and stuff like that. He's in a program called YOLA, the Youth Orchestra of Los Angeles. It's like the farm team from the La Philharmonic. He's playing upright bass and stuff like that. But I'm I'm showing him things like how to like I put him on an NPC sixty three thousand, teach him that, like learn how to make sounds for yourself, Like I'm not giving you sounds that everybody else got. You're gonna learn

how to work with thieves, you know. And so even though he's twelve, like he doesn't know nothing else. He don't know if he never heard the future, he never heard you know, whatever's happening right now, he hain't heard it. He has he has no idea. He's listening to Body Heat by Quincy Jones. He's listening off the wall. He's listening to classical stuff, like stuff that I'm trying to like because he's gonna get to that, yeah, generically by himself.

But when he gets there, he's gonna have all this stuff. Because I eventually got to the hip hop and all that stuff. But I had so much stuff in me that my father instilled in me. By the time I got to it, I just thought about it differently, you know what I mean? Yeah, I see what you're doing A love our ball See what you're doing over there. Yeah, big baller, big baller brand. Yeah. So you so you get this. You have this label now, successful label? When

when when did Mary Dropped? Mary? Mary Drop Memory came out, Uh May two thousand the first album, That's exactly why. And at the time we won a label, yet we were still night Raw Productions, Narrow Entertainment. It was my name backwards. I remember that. I remember that, I've seen, I've seen Oprah had Harpa was her name backward. I'm gonna do ni Raw didn't didn't make sense at all,

but I did it. And by the third album, which was the album with UH, had a song called Yesterday's big song called Yesterday and there heaven Um I changed it. We flipped everything to actual labels. That was two thousand and six, So we became a label once two thousand and six, and they were the only people signed to the label them. When I had a little sister, I had I have a little Joy, so Joy Joy starts. She's still one of the coldest singers and writers ever.

We just did a deal for her through our label with Clive and um, you know that was happening. So she was like the second person signed that I had married, married, and you know, it kept going and going, and we signed Kelly Price and did that. That the only time she was nominated for that many grand She was nominated for three Grammys that year. It was a great album called Um Kelly, I think it was just called Kelly. She had a song called not My Daddy stokely Yeah, Um,

that was ours. We signed my Daddy, Yeah, uh, Not my Daddy is produced by Yes, I did produce because I was gonna say I did, but but like I played it on the piano senter to them. They that's that's me condition playing all the stuff though, but I'm producing it. So but yeah, do that album. And then we signed music Soul Child. We did an album on him. And of course I remember not to cut you off. I remember coming by your studio and you know, you

know I used to just pop in on you. Yeah, because it's it's funny, like you said, you and take work once together. I don't think we've ever worked together. I think we just always homies because you you was with Damon in them. Yeah, and I lived in the house, the little the thing next door, y'all was in Running Springs. I was in Blackham State right there. Yeah, yeah, so and we were just I mean, I don't we probably twenty years at this point, being friends, play a little basketball,

play basketball, didn't hand out, but never work. But you know me and in Tank always says it takes us always just like Jay just he'd be checking on people. He would pop in and I just come by the studio. I think one day I came by. No, I think, I know I came by one day and you're working with music social and I just, you know, you would just let me sit there, you know what I mean. You you was never wanting something like, oh yeah, man,

we got a session and if you come back. But we all know, Daryl just you know there are people I've never been like that. But your working space is your working space to right, So I see I see both sides of that. UM. And I just came and I set in and I'm watching you work with him. And this is the first time I've seen someone be um next level perfectionist music soulio Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, different.

And I'm sitting there listening to him do the same thing perfectly a hundred times, a hundred times over, and I'm like, this is insane. He would not stop. You know what I would do, I go go back, len, get down. You know you finished, you can seeking some more if you want done? All right, that's exactly when he don't. I go back to the very first thing he did. Okay, that's the one I wanted the whole time. But you know that's just way process. No, no, no.

It was amazing. But I also appreciated your patience as a producer, because there are producers who get in the way of the artist's creativity and what the artist wants and not and not understanding that it's the artist wreck, it's their wreck. Their pictures going on there. This I got a little line in the back with my name. This is listen, that's a that's tank on there. Yeah. Yeah, but there are a little there aren't a lot of producers, especially at a high level. Yeah that's still allowed that,

you know, because the producer became like an artist. They were big, like like there's a reason why I don't have as an identifiable sound like we've mentioned Timbo, we mentioned Frell and all these guys, Dre even Bank. Yeah, they got these sounds like when you when the record come on, you know, I mean that's a dress blaze record. Yeah, that's a yeah. I never had to pick out a Warran camp. I never had the camp because they are

Gucci Louis Vaton like a brand. I'm a tailor. It's a difference when artist comes to me, I'm gonna Taylor make the suit to you is it's gonna be at the level of Gucci, but it's gonna be only yours. And when you get done what we get done doing this, we're gonna break the mode because nobody is gonna have that sound but you. Yeah, and that's it. And I'd rather do that because I don't know if I even

have the bandwidth or it ain't the bandwidth. It's the it's not it's not necessarily add but I can't just do one thing. Yeah, So what I'm saying, like, well, everybody in music or entertainment has a little bit of add We are what you know, like these are my this is my sound? What I do that would I would go crazy. I gotta do something different all the time. Like one day I might do a whole record. I'm never gonna I'm just played the guitar the whole time.

Next thing's gonna be the arms, it's gonna be I gotta do something different. So so that goes to my question then, because I had this experience, and I want to know if if either one of y'all I'm sure y'all did, had the same experience. My first quote unquote hit record would be Tyres I like them girls, right. I have placement before that, but that's my first hit record where people were like, oh shit, like this is a this is a this is a record. That's one

who wrote it? This? Who that? Who that? And I remember the frustration of taking these label meetings and then then wanting me to write that same song again. See that. That's what I'm talking about. I like it really and I'm a baby I'm I wrote that record when I was eighteen, I think eighteen or nineteen years old, and and I don't really understand it. And I still had young arrogance too. They don't want these other hunted you hit ease. What they want pieces of that same song

so they can put it around the industry. And that's what I didn't understand, you know. And me and my man R. J. Rodney, we had these long conversations like no, man, like, just take the same you gotta hit record take and just do five hundred of those like he was good. I was like, I can't do it. I can't. He was so brilliant at that. I was like, this is there's a gift to that too, though it is. He was like, man, this one hit record, it's gonna make me way more money because I'm just I was like,

I don't mind. Executives are going to ask for that same song. But you know how many times I got asked for can't we get a UM take you out tonight? Can I get a shackles? I want? I want the shackles. I'm like, this is this is my comeback, and this is real answer. This is what I believe. I tell everybody, I didn't write that song. God writes songs. I take dictation. That's it. It's a download. Like I didn't come up with that. I didn't sit down and so letbe come

with a song. To know it was a download Like I was walking around my boom and just hit me like oh, and I just do it. I I can't. I can't come up with that on my own. I can't wake up in the morning, so let me think of something and just no, it's not gonna happen that way. It's always I'm minding my business and a just like a like a left hook, I'm like, oh, that's the idea. Let me go write it down real quick. Yeah, I'm taking dictations. It's a download to me, so like, don't

expect me to reproduce that. I can't. But I could do something and it's gonna be dope, but it's gonna be something different. I just think it's like for me, it's always like time and space, and so when you're when you're making music in a time and space, it completely represents that time and space and true for me, it's just hard to go back to that life, whatever point in life that was. I'm not. I'm just not going through that anymore. As bad as people want you

to do it, I can't. I wish I could, you know, like I've I've I've read, I've recycled some drums like two or three times that I thought was cool. The under drums, emergency drums, because I was like, this could be no connected record. Just you know what I'm saying, there's connected records. But for the most part, I was like, I just never want to be picked out of the bunch. Yeah, I just want to be able to continue to make music without people feeling like they're getting something that I

gave somebody else. That's a co financial decision, though it is, Yeah, because I left millions on the table flat out, like I know for a fact, Yeah, I lot millions of dollars on the table by wanting to be creative. For me, it wasn't that I would not do it. I could not it. Yeah, I didn't want to. I didn't want it. Used to listen I'm talking and they'll list your record. Yeah, if you just give us one of those, maybe I deserves. And I'm like, just like, man, I don't even date

her anymore. For me, it's like I can't remember how I put that because, like you said, time, I wasn't doing something like the song was in conversation. The song wasn't like I was just having a conversation. I said, wait a minute, right, Oh. The assumption is that I happened to the song. No, the song happened to me. Yeah, it came out of it just happened to me. I don't know, I can't. I cannot tell you now. I

do have good command of my instrument. You're you're pro. Yeah, I know what I'm doing, so I can do some things. But it's not gonna be that's gonna be another you know, no, because I mean when you listen, will you listen to your music? Honestly, bro? Like, will you go? It's just

it's amazing, man, it's amazing. Like you said to do a take take you out to a shackles, but then to do a just a friend for Mario and then you know what I mean, then do what God is for Kanye homecoming for Kanye come home bro, Like, yeah, those records, that's one of my favorite ones. Yeah, An you never say the same guy. No way you're gonna say the same guy. That's just listening to a whole bunch of different kind of music all the time. Think chot out again to my dad. He had all to

do just yeah, being well versed and not being one dimensional. Yeah, listening to everything, I just never know. You just never know what's going to die out and things happened, like you know, I wrote a record. I never get this Black Streets Nothing lasted only I think it's the second album. I can't remember. I did this record Call in a Rush, right, it was the third album. I was in a movie

theater watching this movie called sling Blade. Yeah right. John Riddard before he passedes in this movie, and he Billy Bob plays a special needs guy. And then John Ridderd's character gets him together with this other special needs girl. He's gonna set him up on a date. He cooks dinner for him and he gets overwhelmed. He says it came over me in a rush. And those that when he said that, I said it hit me in a rush. I was like, oh man, I left the theater. I ran, I ran, I ran to my car. They want I

don't want to lose. I wrote it down, drove as fast as I could in the studio. Came over me to rush. By the time I got to the studio, it wasn't it hit me in a rush. It was it came over me in a rush. And I started it came over me in a rush. When I realized that I love you so much that sometimes I cried, but I can't tell you why why I feel what

I feel inside? And I was like, things hit you, they happen to It's like when Jeffrey Osborne came on, he was telling us about on the Wings of Love, you know what I mean, and I get chills that record right there, special. You have a record that to me like, yes, your records have they're they're in different spaces. But there's one record to me that just does not feel like a Warren Campbell record to me at all. It's a big record for you too, which one Drew Hill?

How Deep is Your Love for Me? Oh? That does not feel like a Warren Campbell record to me. Well, that's because it's the collaboration on that. Okay, Okay, it's me Dutch, Dutch and no Kio. Yeah. So what happened was we were that's just my guy too. I'm sorry, Rick Kuzinn. That's said. It's the light skin version of that Dutch. And so we were doing Drew Hill. Remember the old Laraby West of course had two studios in that so I'm we're doing Drew Hill. He's in one studio.

I'm in another studio working with Woody doing his ballot, and I have a cello player in there writing out parts for the cello player. Our manager Kenneth Creer campeon and says, Yo, they need a song for Rush Hour. The night before that, I had just recorded on a cassette tape because this idea was but these little chords, and I recorded them on a cassette because I wanted to remember that I had it with me. I played

that for Dutch like that's dope. So Dush did the drums and I played that stuff on top of it, and it's a base and I brought the cello play over and I wrote some cello partes. Dude. But she did that and then writing, and people didn't know how dope of a producer Nokio was. Nokios a beast man,

super talented. So those three brain powers. That probably doesn't sound like me by myself, because you know, the backbeat usually gives the identity of the drums, you know, for R and B, it's like, you know that's Dutch, that's that's Dutch all day. I just picked that out of the records, of all the records, I was just like that one. It feels less. Yeah, it's like, you know,

it's it's an amalgamation of three brains. And then when you get to the part where there's Red Man on that record, on the original Red Band's on the original record when they shot the video. They shot the video in the Hong Kong because that album was on the the Rush Hour contract. For whatever reason, red Man at the time couldn't leave a country for something. I don't know what was going on. Most rappers clean lyad the country for whatever reason. Now this is ninety eight, remember

remember so they called me at that time. Yeah, that's right. Kenneth Cree used to come. I want to say he might have been halfway managing Damon for Minnie because he used to always pop in. That's when Sugar to come to the gate before that's before that. Yeah, I remember. I remember driving by and something like Simon. Yeah, he was the standard. He was standing outside his car talking to somebody, was like, I just kept driving. I don't know what's going on. What's going because I live right

next door. I'm like, I'm gonna keep driving. H Then Damon told me later what happened anyway out of the Dame Thomas and Harvey Mason, but they go to Hong Kong to shoot the video and Red Man can't go, so they need a bridge. So they called himself, we need you to come to Hong Kong. I was like, Hong Kong, okay, are you? They flew me to Hong Kong to do the bridge to Hong Kong. We come to home. You know, I got a couple of kids over there, Homekong, I got. I got a couple of

younger home. Definitely got an uncle that Mike got. I was in a bushing Hong Kong sixty seven over there, spends a couple of tours in Hong Kong. Y'all went over there did the bridge. That was an amazing time, you know, and it was just you know, that record was my first number one and it just what it did was a set off in my mind who I

was or who I could be in the industry. That they gave me a sense of value like that they would call me to come over there because Dutch was there, you know, No, that was all there, and I guess maybe they left for me. I don't know, because they didn't need me for that, but it was like, no, you gotta come and do it. I was like, y'all need me I was like, oh cool, So I felt needed. I realized like, oh, people need me for certain things,

you know. And being that I was young, I might have took that a little too far because it went from that to being just everybody goes to this arrogant phase, especially when money comes into play. I'm twenty three at the time, and I'm twenty three and I just made my first million. You know what I'm saying. I'm like, it's a different thing happening in my life, you know. So I walked in rooms going, yeah, I'm probably better

than everybody here. I would never say it. I don't even act like that, but in my mind, yeah, I'm the best there is. She got she got cheap. He's trying to add sauce because warn Campbell here, you don't usually be you don't usually be doing all that. Take Take a boy, his hands on him. They got their hands with you. The dance team is here, man good he flat. I know you have perfect pitch. Thinks I have relative picture, just out of control. Top five? How

do you like that? Enough? Top five? You see you see my wife? You're top five? You're top five? Oh your Toper's Billy Joels on us he gonna go there, he's gonna go there. I who'll toper top your two? Five? That's saucy. That's saucy right there? You top? Oh, top five? Did you say, finn, it's top five? What it's top what? I wanted to hit that? I said five, because five is the fifth degree in that key to be flat. Let's be flat five. Yeah, that's that's the fifth. Yeah,

I have no that's the flat. I have no idea what someone is e flat and kind of go to go to make skill up one to three four? Five? You said top five. I said five. That's why I hate that note, because it's the fifth, the fifth. Agree, that's nerd crab man. Sorry, y'all speaking alien. Look at I ain't said nothing. You look at him like I just cussed you out because you took me back to a time where I was in Uh. I was at Morgan State. Uh. And we'll give you to five. It

is in Morgan State. And I got a full scholarship from doctor Carter. Like doctor Carter Morgan State. That's in Baltimore. Did you know Machicacha. Oh yeah, yeah, big big classical school. Yeah, absolutely, so we did, right, And so I have it doctor Carter talking like James Brown, what you want to mine there? I was like mina po I guess. So he put me in class with a doctor Conway. M So doctor

Conway was like, play something from me. I'm in there, oh oh bad farm and everything, and I'm and I think I'm jazzing him out right, I'm killing him, Like, yeah, you ain't got none of this. He gets on, Hey looks he's oh nice nice, not oh nice, nice nice, he said, and he says nices. So you went from an eight nine nineteenth to a forty eighth and then if you would have added an eighth right over top of your ninety, I would have really killed and then

you cool down. I hate this place. I hated this place. I was gone in two months. I was like two months gone. So anyway, your top five dead are alive, R and B singers male or female, dead or alive no order. M uh well, I'm gonna have to talk about a need a baker. You better talk about it. Yeah, I have to talk about needing um and I'm talking about top five. I'm I'm to talk to the I'm gonna have to go talk to Sam Cook. Top five not just because I did the record on it. But

I mnna have to talk to Luther. You gotta talk. I've recently seen something on him yesterday that made me come at Luther was cold. He was without doing all that because he was different. He did to do all the runs that he just had the tone that the presence. You gotta go Stevie mm hmm yeah um. And I want to go to another female and just say Eretha. But there's more. But because you can't Ereth, you can't

you know, because there's there's there's there's levels under that. Yeah. Yeah, you can't sing together put together that two hundred Greatest Singers list. Yeah, yeah. I don't get called for stuff like that, None of us do. Yeah, the phone calls actually go there are no phone calls list. Somebody said, I think those are researchers, right, Those aren't people from the cloth. They're looking at streams and stuff. They're they're looking at something. Those are being counters. Yeah, they are not.

They are not part. They don't know them about this here. No, and I'm sure somebody on that on that on that board. Watch the R and B Money Podcast You need your ass kick, all right? Top five R and B songs. M that's tough because you are a writer, top and a producer, label owner, a label owner too. It's one of them is going to be and and I'm not talking about hits on the radio, great songs, your top five. One of us gonna be some or soft by Stevie Wonder on the song to Kill Life album Summer Soft.

Um that I'm gonna have to say. Um. I think it's called try something new, Smokey Robinson, look it up, try something new. If that don't do, I'll try something new. You never heard that one. I can build you a tower. I have your own castle. Yeah, I don't do. I'll try something new. Mmmmm. Oh yeah, it's called record. I know exactly a record. Talk about uh, because I was gonna say that one of tears of a clown. But I'm gonna try something new amazing. You know you can't.

I don't know if I can call us. R and B started out as um, a Leon Russell song, and then Donnie had the Way did it? And I think I want to say George's been somebody that did it too. Call the song for you. You're not calling that R and V. Well, because in the origin of Leon Russell's you know pop rock guy. Um oh yeah, I'll be knowing my history about all the I'm a I'm a geek with this music. Um then I can go a little current. It's one of my favorites of all time

is um uh do you believe in Love? And the Bninis? I not love you Belave Caulve Yeah, those guys, Jodas and then I'm gonna say because this is just this is something I will listen to. I'll never get tired of hearing. Is de Angelo's version of cruising to production him has not been duplicated. No, no, yeah, no one has touched that. Man. You rock with Smokey, one of the best songwriters to ever do. Yeah, you got a smoky thing? Can I can I add a new section

for him? I was gonna ask me that. Did he like, uh, you know what I ain't ain't noways bringing something back. You're gonna be at the gas. I was gonna go go back to what he was, gang bag smoking smoking. He was a king thing. You're I'm gonna get you. This is a new segment just for you. This is Warren Cambus. This is a Warren Campbell. I need y'all to say it when the next person comes. So so, anytime we ask about this segment, this war cambun ask

me nothing about it. I'm not about it now. It just it just just slapped me in the face, the new Warren Campbell segment. Your top five R and B producers. Oh, I'm rolling now. He has information, a lot of it. I'm gonna gonna downlow. This is not the first one's out. Number one, all right, there's gonna be Quincy Johnson. Of course you can, of course you are anytime hmm. A producer who does not not produce how we do when we physically are. He produces from his roller decks and

his pen. You play this, you play that roller decks. I'm gonna call this person and you get the same result every time, even the same sound sonically. He's just done too much right under him. It's gonna be a Reef Martin, our ref my Dean Martin from Turkish, from Turkey. He's passed on. He started out as an arranger, big band arranger, worked at at an Atlantic for years under Jerry reck Wexler and Aland Ernigan. Went on to produce songs like I Feel for You, Brown to get what

because Shaka Khan Autumn, What are you Gonna do? Fun Day? That that that album I Love You. That's a Reef Martin. Yes, come on, come on, get come home Old Turkeys Reef. You know it's probably right now, he'd be in his he'd probably be in his nineties right now. A Reef was the man. So you gotta red Wow. After that, it's gonna be uh um, oh God, I'm gonna say Bernard Edwards, but it's it's uh the other one. Oh Lord Jesus. Now Rogers and Chic thank you. Uh because

the bass players. Bernard I got the bass player in my head, but now Rogers unmatched the consistency for decades. Then let's move up into our era. Okay, it's going to have to be Teddy Riley still now. Now, we just talked about him doing that record with me, so let me just get into that just a little bit. With the Walls Group, first song on the album they wanted the nineties. You know, these kids are really in the nineties music right now. So on their last album,

I did like a nineties record for him. They loved thatsel to another one, so I did this. I worked up this new jack swing drink that I did, and they loved that. They wrote a song to it. I said, let me send it to Teddy and see. I'm thinking he's gonna say, I'll play some talkbox on it. He loved it so much he called me back and said, how far can I go? I said, shoot, Teddy, go as far as you want to go. He's sent it back with like all the Teddy Roley stuff on it

and gave me a remix. That's that sounded like, keep it in the closet on top of you ain't heard that one yet? Up sparing up. Oh my god, it's crazy. So Teddy Riley here is that? He's that dude. I'm trying to see because now you're about be on your fifth. You sang the fifth. Now you're about to be on your fifth. And to me, there are two production teams and I'm trying to see which one is gonna get picked because I'm about kit I'm about to hit you

with it. I got I'm you know what, I'm sitting up, man, sitting up, man, give me some cheese to say, Oh no, we don't say their name. They ain't they paid us. We're gonna oh yeah, no, no, no, it's gonna be jamm and Lewis. It's gonna be Jamon Lewis. Um, I can't argue Jammon Lewis. Yeah, but La and Face might have an argument because I'm gonna tell you why I didn't go La in face because I'm a musician, right

faces a musician. You know, La was a drummer, but really that whole movement was more about Face and it's what he was bringing to that thing, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, And the writing, jamm and Lewis equal parts. Like Jam can play the crap out that keyboard, Terry can play the crap out that base I'm talking about, like nasty, but then Terry is one writing and producing the vocals too. Then Jam is mixing. It's just like

the the vision of labor. Yeah, there is of l Yeah, it's like I respect that, Like you know, it's not heavy on one side. It's like they both without each other. That that doesn't work. You see where a baby Face went on without La and still did everything. Here's here's here's what I want from you. One Campbell. We're gonna make an R and B voltron. Okay, I want to know who you're getting the voice from, the performance style, from the styling from and then the passion. So we're

gonna start with the vocal. Who's the vocal? Are you still thing to make your voltron artists? And it has to be an R and B artist. I mean, let's up to you, brother. I mean, you're gonna make him sing R and B because they're gonna sing R and B because you are who you are. You can you know, do it? Do it? Who got the votals? Whose voice is it? I'm okay, I'm gonna go with the vampire. Marvin whin EN's. They call him the vampire because he's never met a vamp. He didn't like I'm talking about

on the spot, you go to a vamp. He got ad libs for days. It's like he's just writing another song on the spot. Like you you ever hear somebody freestyle nice that that can spit. He's that dude. It's a whole another song. I'm whing Marvin Wine is as the voice. Jonathan Hall used to kick my ass. We was on tour with Jinia one mm ad lipping and I'm like, how do you know an ad lib like that? I can add live. But what are you doing? He said,

Marvin whit Marvin Winners, You've never listened. You ain't never seen thathing like this in your life. Used to whoop me, I'm coming with a whole of the song on top of the song, and you'd be like, this is crazy. Yeah, so I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go with Marvin Winners. Who who are you getting the styling from? With the drip of the artists their aura? What does that look like? They earnest Paul, Yeah, yeah, yeah, that that that's probably going to be because now the artist is a man

drip wise, if you know what. Who I've always been a fan of how they dressed on stage is uh Marvin Gaye. M feel like Marvin gay will put glitter on anything, head band hit hoodies. He had like glitter vest, he wear boots with a pin striped jacket. He were all kind of crazy stuff like that, I think. But I think he was a king of signature like stuff like like when he had when he wore to Beanie, it became like that's that's the Marvin Gaye, the hiss

ability to make things, you know. So Marvin gave Yeah, Marvin Gail d Marvin, Marvin, Marvin and Marvin, Marvin and Marvin and then what was the other category you're getting the performance style from? Oh? M hm yeah, listen man, I'm always I've always been a fan of dramatic performers. And but but this voice. I was gonna say, James Brown would now, but that kind of voice, it's kind of stock. You got to go al Green m h yeah, yeah, he would. Al Green would go in the bag and go.

He would go in and leave y'all for a moment and be singing to himself by himself. He'd be, man, wotle thing, just be doing and you just measures like, oh, he's singing to himself. Yeah. Have you watched the documentary which one is the gospel? According to Al Green? When he was in this little yeah like a like a hall in a sense, and it looked like Rothils playing bad. Yes, I asked Ray. He said, no, that ain't me. I've said somebody looked just like you and his name was Ray. Wow. Yeah,

I see. You haven't seen that documentary Tank from the eighties. Is that am I saying the name right? The gospel? According to Al Green? I don't know he's talking about going back and forth between gospel and R and B and the S and they do they do videos of him in the studio, in the studio talking to him. Yeah, no, no, no special because he's having those moments where he's singing to him. He's in front of people, but he's singing for him to him and everybody in this band got

a Jerry Crew, all all the drummers Greece. So yeah, al Green would be the perform the perform performance style. What about the passion the heart of the artists. I'm gonna have to go with the undying work ethic and bulldog tenacity of Prince. Yeah, he was just passionate about how he made music. You know, you can hear it. He listened to the stuff he was doing. He was completely creative though, he's just outside of anybody's box. Yeah, yeah,

that dude man had something. I went to his house one time to do a not to do nothing, to go to it like a little party or something. It was after an Image Awards and said the principles like the invite you guys to come to his house. It's the house that he was written from. Carlos Boozer. I'll get up there and it's like twenty people in there. That's it. He had his full band. He's in some silk pajamas playing all night. Then he left for a minute and came back and changed into another color of

silk pajamas. Who kept playing all night long. I was like, man, this dude, that's something else. He didn't even say hid Nobody was playing, was he you know, food and crap? You know that was just his audience. Yeah, how was it? Chili was there playing, He wasn't talking to nobody was playing. Like wow, is he gonna stop playing? It comes like said, hello, nah, No, how to dude? I want to do that? You could because he did it on top of his pool. He covered the pool with a with a clear thing and

then we was out there dancing. I was dancing with Angela Bassett. Yeah, we're gonna get out of there. Come on, micro Fiber, Come on, Micropia, we're gonna go to next second. She don't remember it, but I do. He started rubbing microphee, still rubbing the microphile. I don't know what to correlate, you know, don't you do it? So don't you do it?

Come on, Jake, what you got for listen going from from from the friend's house to the micro fibers dancing with you know who you know, I got another little little church segment. Oh seeing no names, seeing no name, who it was, got who you, what you did, and what you was. We got a second part of the show man. It's just you know, it can either be funny. You passed the one right now, you just my pot the one. I'm always the same guy every time. Okay,

started funny, fucked up? Yeah, okay, okay, sorry passed it are both in your travels, in this music business, in this church, in these church and the what you call him chee in these cheeks. You know what I mean? Yeah, what you've gone through in this name m hmm. Without saying no names, do I cannot? We need that story, we need one. So I can't say the name. No, no, no, no no. You can't see who you was with. You can't say who was dead. I can't say. I mean,

you can explain things. Okay, you know what I'm saying. You know, because people have stand out you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know. But you can't say no names. You can't put no face with the case no face. I like that no face with the cake. I'm five dudes, baby, So this is Warren Campbell's baby dub my block. I ain't saying no names. I'm not saying no names. But it was nineteen ninety five timestap Okay, New York. It was cold, it was The place was uh Rockefeller Center Plaza,

the Saturday night live stage. So I'm there with a certain rapper and we are doing the Friday night camera blocking. That's what they do, the rehearsal camera blocking. The entourage is thick. I'm talking. I'm talking about thick rapp. You know what rap entourages it like. It's yeah, you got about thirty dudes that don't do nothing. They just there in case, and another thirty dudes is just there for

a whole other reason. You know what I'm saying. Walking down the hall was an older gentleman because there's work going on. There's their building sets and things of that nature. He's moved in a scaffold, rolling down the hallways, a narrow hallway. There's a young lady there who's part of the entourage, and he's rolling down the hallway and he bumps into this little lady. She is incensed that he would bump into her while he's doing his job. Though

he's doing his job, she ain't doing nothing. I already know she, do you know? I'm called someone so telling And then and they the other guys grabbed this older gentleman, throw him in a closet in the hallway, lock him in there, and one guy stands in front of that closet, don't let him out the entire time, the whole time. So we leave and go to eat. After that, it's I don't know, it might be eleven o'clock at night. Somebody says, hey, we're so so he's still standing in

front of the door, not letting that guy out. The other thing, ain't they go over there, because that's before nobody's cell phones. At the time they go getting that dude is in there past out. He's urinated on himself, he's defecated on himself. He's scared to death because he thinks the people that threw him in that closet, yeah, they're gonna do something to him because they're known him for doing something. I ain't saying the names, but that

happened that Saturday Night Live. That's Saturday Night Live. Did that ever? That lartists ever get to perform here. No, I think only because that artists passed away that year hmm later that year, yeah so or the next year. But anyway, Yeah, but I ain't saying no names. You know, you know exactly what I'm talking about. It's crazy. I've had many of adventure, many of adventure. But listen, it wouldn't be the game it is without the adventures that's

for sure come from. Man. Yeah, that's like the stories that that really kind of fuel the music sometimes what just happened before, what has happened after? Man, that that's that's what you know, that's what put the batteries in our back to get keep us going. Well, listen to my brother, I mean, what can we say, man, Well, let me say this. I want to give y'all. I'm not into the flowers. I give y'all kudos, give y'all what we call. Just want to give y'all some good language.

Y'all are doing an amazing job with this podcast and bringing R and B to the forefront and letting people tell their stories who may not otherwise have much of a platform to tell their stories. Y'all are really doing something and I don't know if you know it or not, but you are literally in the middle of making history. Literally, history is being made every time you file these cameras up and sit on these premium blue couches, every time this premium microfibers. And I just want to give y'all.

Give y'all that this man, give y'all some good language. Man. That that's like I've been watching, you know, just we I watch all all the episodes. This is amazing to see y'all. Just keep doing it, man, don't don't stop. That's that's my that's my my encouragement. Don't stop, man, just keep it going. Good language. Oh yeah, according to that, I say bad language, I apologize. I mean, you know, that's that's that's that's something I learned from C. S. Lewis.

He was that old. This fella some good language. I want to say something nice about this guy. Wow, thank you brother. No, man, you're doing it, Thank you, bro. Absolutely well. Man. Listen, man, I'm Tank, I'm Jay Valentine and this is the RB Money Podcast, the authority on all things R and B. And in the building. Man, we've we've just had, you know, we've just experienced great you know what I mean, and I'm not as as a singer, songwriter, producer, performer. I'm not afraid by no means.

Honor the man, the pastor uh baby down right in the building. I appreciate it. Man Money. R and B Money is a production of the Black Effect podcast Network. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever where you listen to your favorite shows. Don't forget to subscribe to and rate our show, and you can connect with us on social media at Jay Valentine

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