Tyrese Part 2

I sang Harvey was it? Yeah, I don't know. But the way reason like to work is He's like, listen, the demo is great. I'm just gonna take Jay's lead out and keep everything else. I didn't know it was an actual feature, which was great. Listen, listen. You know when it would come on the radio and say can I speak see baby girld on front? No. So. But the the backstory to that record, though, is Tyrese Gibson

has the first ever Underdog record. Underdogs did not exist before that record, not as a not as an actual production and writing team. It did not exist before that. Uh this record. I'm sure you've heard the stories at this point. If you have not This record was sold three times. No, oh you didn't know that. No, okay, well we're gonna we're gonna get in twitch to day then fuck it. Um it was sold three terms. Yeah, yeah,

you were the third buyer, so fucked up. No, it wasn't that it was fucked up because the truth of the matter is that I liked them girls. Really wasn't a Tyree Skipton type of record. If you if you go back into your your catalog, yeah, yeah, it pops out as something different. And I don't even think when I was initially writing, your name had even come up for that type of record. The other artists that was supposed to Well, come on this R and B money

pod authority, we're gonna get into it. I wrote that record for Usher. You wrote I liked them girls for us, particularly for Usher. That's why specifically, no part I don't know what's going yet. Did you know this story before today that he wrote I liked them girls for Usher? Oh? Absolutely, okay, because you acting like you just hand it for the first time, like me, this is sposed to do. No,

we planned this way. You know. That was particular about was particular about who's going to as a songwriter, really know, because as a songwriter, we have the who we're writing for. Why don't people say no cut? So I wrote the record for Usher. That's why I say in the verse, I'm gonna drive to Porsche. So that r why you say it now? Because a Porsche. Okay? So I was writing. You gave me Usher's lyrics, the car he was driving, the whole ship, the whole thing. Wow. Yeah, So the

disrespect for the Army Money podcast continues. I know, I mean what I'm giving you. So you just told me that Usher said he likes it. She likes it in my way, so he doesn't finish the story, and and I told you, okay, And then now you're saying it wasn't a good look because your partner here, Jay Valentine, were brought a song. We didn't We didn't even know each other yet. So he actually, don't throw him and talking about your partners now we are, But wasn't good

look because she likes it my way. And then Jay Valentine says, I liked them girls for the first four years of your career. I was kicking your ass, that's what he was. Listen, I was beat up. They still get Let's be clear. Okay, that bag per Nite on that Vegas residency must be serious. Let's stop recording. I should stop recording. He had put out a record I think it was called like Pop Your Pop your Collar what he called a lot of backlash four and you know,

the Bay area wasn't very happy. Some people weren't very happy because he wasn't from the Bay and he's some about pop in his collargue and the record just it didn't really was that back then? Yeah, video, yeah, and it did so from from what was told to us was he's just not recording right now. So that's how we're sitting. No, no, you still don't get it? Um still somebody else? Yeah yeah yeah they so so y'all land on it too. So Shaker Stewart calls me my partner,

my player partner from the town. He calls me, said, Val, I need that record. I said, we record. You know what. I'm sorry, I'm like, we're just writing songs. I like them girls, I said, I said it to y'all already. You know, I mean like us. You're not recording. He's saying, not for USh, I said, what you mean? The song was for us? I wrote it for ushers the Porsche. You know the Porsche. Right. He's like, nah, Sam Salter, Okay, Sam had the record, uh once my ship. No, No,

that's that's uncle Sam say. I was okay. I'm like, I yes, that broke my heart when I found out. I'm like, I'm like, I rock with Sam Salter. All right, whatever I said. But let me call Damon Harvey because this is also the first song like I said that Damon and Harvey and myself have written because at this point, this is when Damon, in my mind, has stole Harvey away from from Dark Child. And now you know what I mean, like, because amen, and Harvey has stole No, no,

Damon has stole Harvey from dark chowd. Because Harvey was Dark Child's engineering pros. Yes, yes, yes, and he came to play basketball with us one night, and then he showed up by with them, and then he showed up the next night by itself without them, with all the sounds. The sound. That's why you have That's why you have a dark Child Underdog dark Child esque esque record. Record.

Oh right for I like them girls, yeah, but the whole So Sam comes to sing the record has it all has the beat always been that, Well, it's a sext song song saxt same song it was. It didn't change when they went from Usher to Sam Musher. It never went to Usher. It never went to Usher, right, it didn't go to him, but it went to their building.

So now their buildings involved. And now he's how about song deals and all this other shit and all that that, but you know, and now they're pivoting, trying to give it to another another artist. Sam comes, he sings it, he does it shit, but La don't like it. And La over the phone is like, who's singing the demo? Harvey puts me on the phone with La. He's like, yo, what you're doing. I'm like, I'm a songwriter. I ain't trying to He's like, all right, well you know if

you're singing, what's happening. I was like, no, that ain't what I'm trying to do. And life Skan was in back listen, leten listen. I've never went out. I've been in this thing for a long time. You've known me how many years? Twenty five? At this point, steal Me not Humble doesn't think it the original ego. Man, no, no, no, so we you know, I'm like, but he's like, I want you to change a couple of things. At the end, La has some suggestions for the record of like the

pre like the pre out or whatever. I don't even to hear the outro um. So we swapped some things out, rewrote a couple of little things, and then La was just like, I'm cool off the record after like maybe a couple of weeks or whatever. I'm not sure if you remember this, though, Brandy comes to the studio and she's like, I love this record, which makes sense she you know, she's coming off of all Dark Shout records.

It feels like Dark Shout with a different lyric and melody to it because me and Lashan were just we came from two very different backgrounds. So I'm writing at a I'm writing more. I'm writing in a little more aggressive, edgier way because I'm not a church guy, right, So our songs are different on the same type of music. So Brandy's like, can you change that I liked them boys? Never heard it sounds it sounds it sounds that don't like them boys. I was like, it's just a boy's mine.

I just like it don't feel right to me, she'll give me a copy of it. I'm like, Brandy, then, I'm not about to tell Brandy, no, I'm gonna give you a copy of I don't. I don't want to change the song. But I'm like, I'm not, I'll give you a copy of it. From my knowledge, Brandy plays that song for you in the car. That's how. That's that's what. That's what was told to me. Because next thing I know, Tyrese is at the studio, and Tyrese loves this record. But Tyrese, obviously you know from the

artist standpoint, we all know this. We don't know where those records have been and where they go. They liked it. They like the new girls. They're the new girl you met and you ain't asked who she didn't been with yet, you just know she pretty wearing That's no, No, it's not the jersey. It's the shorts. It's not the jersey, it's the job. I've always said any girl I date like, yo, man, could you just tell me if what you smash any one of these NBA, NFL Naggers, because if I go

to the game, I don't want to be wearing this jersey. Yeah, you definitely can't wear any you know, like just let me know, because you know, as long as I know, you an't touch as many as listen, I've only wrong were throwback, so she knocked down doctor Jay. Shit, I just got into as long as I know. I mean, if it's a player, I really like, you're gonna wear the jersey anyway, I can't do it. I know you smash. The handshake is different. Everything about how we need the shortness.

You know when you run into the nigga. You know y'all used to no more like yeah, what up? Why mine? Now? Kid? Anyway, I've never cried when Genuine took a girl from me. Let's talk about what's it about? He was Genuine tank? I need that die all right? Want your girl room seven or eight? He wants, he wants to talk to you. Incredible. You just got chocolate up. Hold on the flip phone at the time. Hello, I need that die. Oh how

you looking? You're talking? Yeah? She warn't Yeah, yeah the one with the pink go ahead be Januine on Campra. Yeah No, I said I need that die. Um seven or two dostement Okay, all right, all right, I let you that flip phone. You should get dreshed. You gotta go. Nope, how did it go? It wasn't me, you too, okay. He was excited to give them. I felt good about it. Okay. So I was still on my job. So you got off the phone, and then what happened action Genuine he

saw you and he want to talk to you. The girls like this where you wearing that? He's uh, I was about to get you this bussy. I really didn't want to be He's something. When we take your's, you donna get to be with Genuine. I'm gonna sprinkles. Huh oh, Yeah, we right up there together. Why she baby? She was? I bagged your for man. I highlight y'all. I see y'all later, man, fall in line, soldier, that's wild. These ain't your spoils, m they're not because you were torn

with him. Carried the back residual, sing the backgrounds and carried the back residual. Should do I had to wait to see to see what was left on the plate. Yeah, whatever was left on the plate, then I could eat. That's what Biggie said in his rap. He said something. He said, they are all his holes. Go to my flow some a little sea. He was rabbing, you know, the young Humbi you know, but all his they gotta

they gotta tap in. They gotta pass inspection. First hmm, first rid, first rider, refusals with that sample plate, first ride of refusal. That's that's that's that's that's all. That's a that's an ill scenario. I've never been in that scenario before. No nah, And I've never asked nothing of the little houmbies for what they work, neither though I

need either way. Either way one you no, no muscle, no no phone call with the Let me get that she laying in the bed baby oil primed up, you fresh out the shower and you're about to go knock her head off, and genuine jump in from the iCloud and say, let me get that cloud. I could always say, get that die, get that guy. Than what you're doing with that guy, the question of what you doing with it?

What you're doing with that? You know, that's me that it is kind of you, It is kind of more you than Yeah, it is yo in your whole area right now. You know what I'm saying, yea, And then I have to beat the streets get back to anything left you Wow you oh, that's crazy. I love it. You know what though, That's why y'all still close to

this day, because there's an understanding that was in place. No, I mean, I just as as a kid, I just understood that there was a pecking order, you know what I'm saying, and so you know, but there was a packing order he established though for me he didn't have to. He never had to establish it. Got you, I knew coming on the road, it's his show. Anything any benefits of that, it's his. If I'm lucky enough to build a relationship with him or lucky enough to carry the

bags playing that role heavy. Wow. I used to get accused of doing too much, but he's doing too much anytimes. And you want to ask you to do something, you just you just up and moving up. And you know, it's so crazy. That was Luk and Q with me. Luke and Q, you took their work, No, took him on tour backgrounds, But did you take their work? No? All right, man, I never did that to them. Maybe I did, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, boy came through. No,

I don't, I just remember, I remember. I don't know. There's one. Maybe it's a capitcorn thing, but we definitely make people pay that dudes. And because at the end of the day, people always when you get on with somebody that's already on you automatically cutting the line off top. Doesn't matter what type of grunt and hustle you you create for them while they're grinding then working with you around you, it's still you're on already. It's not like you can go back to you know, I'm in the hood.

I just met you, So let me rewind the clock. Be back in the hood where a struggle and then once you pay your dues and show me you down for the cause, then you get to be on tour buses and arenas. Doesn't work that way. So yeah, Luke and Q tour with me, Kenyon tour with me. Isa. I had a lot of people for many many years touring, and I remember the running joke with Luke and Q was me, you know, making them carry my bags and do all that. Yeah, but see, genuine was more of

for me. It was an offering, you know what I'm saying. For me, it was like this the guy, you know what I'm saying, I'm like preventative before he left the bag. I left the bag when a hand the bag over the counter for foot locker. Give me that. I got that. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. That's what they did. But like you, you're more of like, yeah, go get those No, that's not true. No, we've watched you. That's not true at all. There is no says you was coming here to.

I'm not listen. If that's the way you feel, that's the way you feel. I can't stop talking about what I feel. I'm talking about what I think. You've never seen that ever in your life. Yeah, make sure y'all get those bags. Get those bags in your trunk. I am put them in the excursion. I'm militant, and then go build my line. Put him in the put put in the excursionfication. But are you condescending? I don't treat nobody like slaves. I don't do none of that. That's

not true. I didn't say you treat people like slaves. What I said was with genuine It was an offering for me. With you, it's got a little requirement vibe on it. It's definitely paying your dues and paying the dudes with me does come with a particular pressure, you know.

I like to put I tell people all the time, the crazy things I heard this saying before I embraced the saying, they said, Man, if you can make it through the level of grunt and grind and hustle and the impulses of everything in and around my life, that happened as fast as they do. If you can make it and we become successful, you can make it anywhere. And the amount of directors, writers, producers, singers producers writers

meaning movie producers versus music producers, both all across the board. Man, I mean I would be here for the next you know, one hundred hours just mentioning every conversation, every moment, somebody some way who ended up, you know, being connected with me, and we ended up figuring out how we can dance and take the journey. And they'll say, man, for those four years, of those five years that I work with you without me even knowing, it prepared me for all

that I ended up doing. So Um, yeah, it's it's definitely an aggressive environment that I purposely create. Um, there is no relaxing lacks of days ago. You know, you got it, So I got it. No, this is mine and when you get here, you gotta work, You gotta grind, you gotta hustle. You gotta really get in there and do the work, because ultimately, I can't go back and say I'm in a two door hunt their court. No disrespecting hunter the court. But that's not when I drive.

When I drive. How are you gonna act like that? Your rocket ship? You don't act like that. How are you gonna act like that? Hey, Eric Dawkins, Eric Dawkins, all the background again. I remember you took me I can't to your show. I came to your show at the House of Blues and you introduced me to Damon Thomas. I don't remember that. That's wild and that started my underdog Jackie. See, so I'm gonna do something and I'm

gonna connect something that you wouldn't do. No, no, no, no, you be quiet, said no, no, no. You be quiet when you so No, you are when you indirectly. Indirectly, you are the reason that R and B money exists. You know why because you introducing Tank to Damon Thomas and Tank having me come by the studio to meet I mean Damon Thomas having me come by the students to meet Tank starts off our friendship, which ultimately turns into our brotherhood and our partnership in this music thing.

So you want to kick me out of the I didn't help you read for the movie. I ain't a part of that. It's fine. I'm gonna give you your credit, though, of your indirect connections to this whole R and B money than because that's what we do around here. We get flowers, we get flowers, and I appreciate you for that, for introducing him to dam It, which you don't remember because you've just done so many amazing teams. You love him,

blah blah blah. I'm gonna give your credit because credit is due, even if you didn't know what you are, like Anti, I didn't even know it. I was gonna say, I received that, didn't know that happened, But I received it. And I was saying again, when I think about hit Boy, they were to hit boys when I discover them, Change Leroy, the whole fifteen Hunty Click. I had them all on my second floor in the Edmunds building. Sees one astrocity,

ken Yon I believe and who I believe in. And when I see hit Boy out here running around with nas, when I met him, we tried to well. They were with the new underdogs because it was a duo and they were doing nothing but R and B. He did nothing that I had to do with hip hop. So James and hip boy were together brow I remebody, all all of them. Let me tell you a story about James font Leroy so proud of this. So at a certain point, I was trying to sign Glenn Lewis to

my company at the time, Headquarter Entertainment. He was always on the second floor. I brought him out and Glenn Lewis and James font Leroy were writing all of these dope ass songs. Yeah, yeah, good, I needed st Yeah I know that song still got into my phone. So they were doing all of these records, the whole fit teen Hunted, faunt Leroy, hit Boys, see Monstrosity. Who I'll say it today. Everybody who come from my original crew of producers and writers, everybody knows Siege is the problem

waiting to happen. Most people would say, let's just hope that nigga never get on because it's gonna be lights out for a whole lot of people. It's always been that way. And I'm just going on record because Beef beat Too, I set sees monstrosity is a savage is and that's just it. So he's wait. He's been patiently waiting on his time. But when it happens, nobody who knows Siege is going to be surprised. He's a fucking monster.

So James and the whole team is writing all these songs for Glenn Lewis, Damon and Harvey, who was on the third floor at the Edmonds building. They called my phone and they say, yo, Tie, you got a kid down there named James. Yeah, yeah, James Fontleroy, Yeah, man, we just heard a couple of songs. He did, and I was like, hold on, hold on, hold on. I got the phone call in my office at the front desk by the elevator, and James font Leroy with Glenn Lewis and Rands and Mars and all that was in

the studio. So I walked in and I had Harvey Mason on speaker phone and I said tell him, I said, and I said, it's Harvey Mason and James Win, you know, And then I was like, Harvey, what did you just say? He said, Hey, man, I was just calling you Reese to ask you would you be okay with us working with James font Leroy because we heard a couple of his melodies and his lyrics and we think he's incredible. Bro, James James started crying and then he grabbed my hand

while I was still on the phone with Harvey. I never forget. I don't remember a lot, but I remember this because it was so beautiful. He grabbed my hand. He said, Bro, that's my chest, that's my chests. Harvey was still on my home. I mean his heart was beaten like crazy, and and then he went upstairs to the third floor and started working with the Underdogs. And obviously the rest is history. Hissed when I first this

is what's crazy. For some reason, I wasn't really focused on singers and songwriters on that level compared to just producing and producers. So my R and B hip hop, no, sorry, my hip hop. They were called the Frontline Boys. James Rands, Mars, Siege, everybody I had. It was a bunch of other folks. I can't even think of their name, but they were all called the front Line Boys. That's why I says, when you got off the elevator said welcome to Headquarter Entertainment,

home of the front Line Boys. So even though they had their individual clicks fifteen hundred, they were still fifteen hundred. They were all under the frontline boys umbrella, all of them, and so I just never I'll never forget. Man. When I first mate met James font Leroy, I gotta tell this story. It wasn't the day that we got the call James font Leroy. I somehow got a hold of a CD and I was just like, Yo, what the fuck?

What is going on? Because I've always had ears, you know, rather I dropped albums every year or not, that doesn't matter. I've always had ears for production, for songwriters, for rappers, shits. I got ears, you know, It's my gift. I said, man, God, if you don't do anything, don't ever take away my ears to hear music when it's magic. So never heard of James in my life. I had James to meet me at a restaurant that closed down now, which is

called Cape mattter leanis Beverly Hills. I was there with my agent and I went outside and James font Leroy was there. I pulled him in my car. I listened to like ten other records that he had, and I said, Bro, you're fucking incredible. What are you doing? He said, bro. You know, he's very sarcast He's like, hey man, listen, I'm just out here, you know, doing what I do, and you know whatever his words, it was very like,

I'm fucked up. I know I'm fucked up, but I have I'm not gonna give you no energy about whatever. I'm about to go back to whatever hood I live in, wherever my bank account is north of or south of, I'm not going to give you none of that. I believe in myself. I'm talented, and I belong. I belong here type of energy he had right, which I appreciate. So then I was like, man, you're super dope. Bro. I fucking love y'all. Believe in you, man, like you're incredible.

And and then I went back to my car, right and then I got a call, Hey man, my car just broke down and I need some gas money. So I came back through the alley and I did whatever it took to get him to the house. When I think about all of the people that I loved, believed in and created a sanctuary, a creative, safe sanctuary, and I look at these guys have won Grammys before me. You know, I know James wrote multiple full albums for

Justin Timberlake, you name it. Now, these guys were not These guys were not signing, and I was not a businessman. I had Headquarter Entertainment and the frontline boys, but I didn't have none of my frontline boys signed to me, which I kicked myself in the ass to this day. But at the same time, that wasn't my agenda. I wasn't on that. You know, I'm gonna sign everybody, I'm gonna take your publishing. I wasn't on none of that.

It was just literally like the heavens of creating and making music for me was all I wanted to live and experience every day. So they slept at the studio. They never missed a meal. They were working day and night. I spent hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars at the Good Tar Center because I would always call Tracy Edmonds because her and Baby Face had divorced, and so Tracy and moms rest in peace. Jack and mccorn they were running the building and had all the tenants that

they were collecting rent from. I said, can I get this room? Can I get this other room? And my rent just kept getting bigger and bigger and bigger. My lease because I just wanted to keep this creative sanctuary of all of these producers, singers and songwriters working twenty four hours, seven days week in my office. And as I look at everything that these guys have done, you don't even understand what that has done for my confidence. Even Luke James, like, what what it has all done

for my confidence? Bro? Like, I feel like if it all ended tomorrow, I had the gift of seeing something in their talent and believing in them and putting them in a place, in a space and environment that they can do whatever it is they're going to do, did not lock them down with publishing and try and take anything from them, and that they are offline, And I'm I'm I'm coming to the present just so you can use that as motivation so I can leave. I've been

here long enough. No, I'm coming to the present. Seeing that guy pass, How you act like that we're gonna be another three hours go ahead, That's how he feels. So I know, I know, I do. So, yeah, we still have ninety seven. You'll get to do it two three because because because I want to get to something that I know you knows as you spoke spoke on earlier, you love to pour in and a lot, if not all of what you pour I mean, you've been around

some great people, You've heard some great things. You've You've heard some great sayings and heard some great stories and things that you're able to um connect to everyday life even for others. But you know that is are things

that you've experienced. And I feel like what I just heard musically from you and in pieces before, but now this project that you have now, beautiful Pain, feels like a journey, a hell of a journey that you've taken from your first wife, if I can say, to whatever that ended up being to your second wife, to even the moment you had online where it was like, you know, have we lost Tyrese in all of this to now it manifesting itself into some of the craziest music that

I've ever heard you make ever. And I just kind of want you to, you know, as much as you can, are willing to speak to the journeys that sometimes are tough to audit are tough to go through in order to create the art that ends up being beautiful paint um Well, thank you for that. Man. That means a lot to just hear because you've said it to me privately. You said it on Instagram when we were on IG Live,

which broke this record, and you're saying it again. And you already know how much I love you and respect you musically, vocally, songwriting, pen all the above. So to hear that from your loved ones that you really rock with for real and look up to and respect means the world, you know, So thank you for that truth be told. Man. I was in New Jersey working on

the movie. I was all over Instagram. We were way on the other side of the crying video to psych mads to break down, waking up to those accusations and everything that me and Samantha had dealt with at the time, which if I if I say fuck me and get away from me and look at everything through her lens. There was nothing about what she lived or had to experience that was okay and was cool. It was all extremely uncomfortable for me, and I know it was for her.

Our first full year being married was like we were up there with the care Bears. It was like a never ending honeymoon for us because we became everything that we thought we were missing in each other's lives. So as soon as September eleventh, of all days hit and we woke up to those accusations. Then everything beefing with the rock, the psych mads, the meltdown online with the

tears and the crying what more do you want from me? Like, everything just went crazy and there was no one that was around me twenty four hour, seven days a week like Sam. So fast forward, I got custody of my child that they tried to take away from me. They took my daughter, no cause, no attack, over accusations for one hundred days. And then when I finally got custody of my daughter back, there was about two months of monitored visits where I could not see my child without

someone from the courts. They're monitoring me, and I was like, so, I'm confused. You found out that everything she accused me of was not true? Why the fuck you ain't monitoring her? Right? So me and Sam experiencing all of this, So then COVID hit. So now we're at home. We got about six people on staff supposed to be going home or the stand. We got some people from Atlanta that came to LA and We're all stuck like the whole world in quarantine. And then I said, you know what, Sam,

Let's try and use this moment to inspire people. And I said, there's no flights, there's no shows, there's no calls. We're not going nowhere. We literally cannot physically leave the house. California's locked down. So we started doing these things called date night on Instagram. We had Jonathan McReynolds to physically come to the house and surprise her. We had Mia Tamiya and Eric Banet to redo spend my life with you because that was our first dance at our wedding.

And then after I don't know nine ten months abandon quarantine and scared to fly because of obvious reasons, we get back to Atlanta. I landed six am Father's Day. I ended up shooting two music videos in a row, and so everything about casting, location, scouting, editing day and night, recording,

everything that I was doing. Samantha had never experienced me and how much of a savage in my work ethic when it comes to working on an out so as I'm everybody's sleeping in every room, we're editing that I'm doing every you know me I'm a machine like I cooked day and night. We're gonna handle all things, not just a label. Just I'm an all inclusive, hands on person with every aspect of everything. And instead of being on location to work on this, I did it all

at the house because we were all COVID free. So as I'm walking through the kitchen on my way to another meeting downstairs in the basement, she said to me, are you not attracted to me anymore? So? I'm in my zone right now. You know I'm a singer. You met me as a singer. You know I'm an actor.

I'm grinding, I'm focused, I'm doing my thing. I just gave you ten full months of uninterrupted time date night, all every day, and independent of the fifteen minutes I gave niggas on Instagram, those date nights were turning into five six hours. Me and Sam so I left town to do a movie after I finished shooting them videos. We are going going back and forth about how busy I have been since I got back to Atlanta. She said, I'm out. I was like, okay. I literally jumped on

the plane. I left the set two and a half hours early. They tried to find me seven hundred and fifty thousand for leaving because I had more scenes to do. I jumped on the plane, which was the last one out to take me straight from Jersey to Atlanta. She somehow found out I was coming home. She put a COVID mask on top of the rain camera. She had like six or seven people, her mama, I'm sorry, her mother, stepfather, best friends, homies, trainer, whoever was available. They grabbed a

van with a trailer on the back. They loaded up fifty boxes, and she left me and never came back. So I was fucked up through. I gave ten four months uninterrupted time pouring into that woman. Busy, controversy, shit was all over the place. I got it so beautiful pain. It's exactly that. It's beautiful pain. And I'm not even gonna tell y'all who she started dating right after me. I can't get out of way. I'm gonna save that from when the album dropped. It's gonna fuck everybody in

this room. You don't have to like me. This beautiful pain is my truth. It's everything that I'm still carrying and feeling to this day. How is it possible to be in a relationship with a woman, and you're still affected by the woman that left you. I'll tell you why. It's not in everybody's cards to be alone when they're at home sad, confused, depressed, and fucked up. You may make that choice, but that's not a choice that I

should have ever made. And I love Zelli. If I had one hundred million dollars, i'd probably give her forty for all that she's done for me, loving on me, laughter jokes, good energy, loving me in my mess. I could associate that to the hands of God. And at the same time, I can say I was a very married man, and I gave my wife my last name

with our child, Gibson. And when I took my wedding band off, my finger was fucking life skinned because I never took it off, never cheated, never physically harmed that woman. And there's nothing that our marriage went through while I was working on music and recording day and night that we couldn't figure out that our marriage shouldn't have survived.

I called every first lady of every church I can think of, Tammy Franklin, Taffy Dollar, Creflo Dollar, Kirk Franklin, Avanter Gray, pastor John Gray, a woman named pastor Kim everybody. You can think. If she's not willing to listen to me, can y'all go get her to listen to you. Please get my wife to come home. And she never came. So this beautiful paying album, my first single. I don't think you ever loved me. That ain't a song, bro, That's my truth. And I got you to thank t

You came to my house, you heard my album. You was in Atlanta. That moment that happened on Instagram that went viral. My song is top ten now it will be number one in Jesus name. I hope, and I don't want it to win because I'm winning. I wanted to win because, as you said, it's time to pull them instruments. Back out the fact that David Foster produce my second single coming after this one. I don't know what's going on. Shout out the band Brandon. I love you, bro.

He was at my house, camped out for a whole year and brought the guitar Center to my house and played every instrument on his album. And I met Brandon because of you. And now this song has been launched all over the internet because of you. I give God all the glory. But he used you. He used you in my house on Instagram Live to throw that song out there. And you didn't cost me a lot of money, Nigga, you didn't cost me a lot of buddy, since you left up what you cost me a lot of money, Tank,

I'm not talking about radio promo, Bro. The amount of money I've spent since I've been in La getting all of this shit in place is unbelievable. I was doing just fine in my quarter sac in that lane. You came to the house and all of this happened. And I give the Lord Jesus Christ all the credit because he used you, Bro. It was a move from God. And I want to tell you right here on the R and B Money Podcast, this is going to be the highest viewed podcast. This is gonna be a very

successful podcast. All of the sponsorships, imagine the boys coming and the level of guests y'all got coming. If you don't see to it yourself, I'm gonna see to it that anybody I know that y'all may not know or may not have access to them, they're gonna be sitting right here on this couch. This is the best podcast out there, period as soon as I've seen the first episode, I said, this is brilliant. I text both of y'all in my line, I invited myself on this show. You

called me from London. I called you from London while I was shooting Fast ten. Yeah, and I said, Bro, this is the best shit ever. Yeah, you do. This is exactly what y'all should be doing. This is brilliant. I said, I gotta pull up. And I've been wanting to be on this show since y'all brought the ship off the ground episode number one. I've been looking to sit right here on this guy. I can't believe him in this wrong. So I'm just proud of y'all man.

And however, met, y'all, met, I know you're saying, I I just I thank god, man. I don't want to say to the world man, because we've been here talking. This is probably episode three by now, but I wanted to tell y'all I love, I love everybody. Proud of you. Jay. You're sounding incredible on your song Man, that y'all did together fucking incredible. I'm not surprised, but you sound incredible. And you know, the beautiful thing about being a creative

is that there's no rules. Absolutely nope. Right, So the dinosaurs say, if you don't do this, if you don't wear that, if you don't say that, if you don't go about it like that, then you ain't gonna produce that. There's nothing about anything that y'all have done since y'all met each other, how we met, whoever met introduced, nothing about anything that I've connected to on any level that's

ever been traditional or conventional. And I tell niggas all the time all that they are trying to sit you down and then stealing you about what song, what you need to be wearing, what you need to be doing. Man, fuck all that do you? I piss people off every single day because I am unapologetic about my walk with Christ. I'm unapologetic about me and knowing my value of my

self worth. And I'm also unapologetic about going above and beyond the poor into people and make whatever connection I can to know that whatever you tank is doing with Jay Valentine and vice versa, it ain't got nothing to do with me. I couldn't do any of the things that y'all doing together. But look what happens when y'all get together. That's fifteen hundreds Academy. That's his idea. He found a location, he put his whole crew together. They do it all the work. Everybody I made reference to,

I'm not being belittering, condescending. I'm not saying anybody owes me anything. I'm not name dropping. I'm not trying to give myself more credibility than why are they have. I'm just fine, And I don't even expect none of these people to either confirm or deny anything I'm saying today. But we know what happened, and I feel I sleep good at night knowing that I have been used in any capacity to create a ship in anybody's life, because I just want to empty myself of everything I am

before it's all over. And so yeah, I don't think you ever loved me. Featuring Lenny Kravitz, Wow and Leandrea Johnson Wow again. It's for real. Yes, This Beautiful Pain is a double album. It's twenty songs, and I'll say no disrespect to the R and B kings up in here. I believe that I have the only album that belongs on vinyl. Because you will press play on this album is a vinyl album. You will never skip anything. It's the proudest thing I've ever done, but it's also the

most painful thing I've ever done in my life. I wish this album with somebody else's Are you doing vinyl? Yeah? I need one, you will get one. You got my word both, I got when. I love when artists make vinyl. The packages ain't gonna stop. Thank you. It's your fault. I just I just really wanted to, you know, I think that people don't really understand what goes into this, and yeah, it's so far beyond money and marketing and

all of these things. Your life, your life takes me seven days at a time to do one song because I gotta literally walk away because I cannot believe. For these are my actual feelings, these are my vulnerabilities, these are my experiences. I can't believe that she's just off somewhere doing something and just left her husband and her family and all over the internet playing victim, trying to encourage women to leave when they not in it. No more leave do what you know that ain't a move

from God. God said to thicken thing for better for worse, to death, do his part. Neither one of us. You left me, But no explanation. I still don't know what I said and did to this day. So although this album is very special, it is the hardest thing I've ever done in my life. And Tank, you know that if you didn't come to my house and make me press play on instant came out, this ship would have never seen a lot. I'm telling you sitting there, Beautiful Pain,

I'm not blinking on my plan, Beautiful Pain. The album would have never seen the light of day because it has been the hardest thing I've ever had to do in my fucking life. And the craziest thing that you just said is that even with all that you were able to pour into this, it's still no closure. I'm on fire right now. If you put on a pair of three D glasses, I'm sitting there with a red jacket on on fire. I don't want her, I don't want her to want me. I wish her well. But

she fucked me up, bro, and that's it. You can tell whatever version of the story you want. You left me on the porch with some wings and pulled the fuck off in the truck I bought you and left me in the suburbs at the heights of Racism, yeah, Savage Wings. I hope she goes viral for it. Savage can ask what kind of he tell me Wing stuff? I don't think so it was bootleg lemon pepper bootleg bootleg because you know what happens to some of those situations,

situations with where food is connected to it. You can't eat that. More was definitely left on the porch. No, I'm saying forever. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The Wing have a trauma triggering. It's triggering. Yeah. Man, I think I gave y'all my soul today. Yeah, and I know they're comfortable doing it, So I appreciate y'all. Man. I wish y'all the very best. Man. Were you closing out like like like you ain't got most ship to do? You got you got? Yeah, we're not letting you leave now.

First you held that's houses. Now we're gonna hold you house. Yeah yeah, because it's it's some other ship. So Reese, with all of your vulnerability and the beauty and all your pain, the real R and B you, you you've come across some music m that's made you feel away over time, some music that has inspired you to do what you do and be who you are m H

speak on it. So what we want to know from you is top fuck your top five, Reese's Time five, it's Top five, R and Be Easy, RB song, y'all, y'all Zy Rees, Top Breezy, Reefy, tops By, top By really tough. I know, yes, I know you got it. Tress Time five place so beautiful, don't you agree? Boy? Good? Teresa True? Top five R and B singers, R Kelly number one start to start there, then R and B singers start there. Say what you want to say? Nothing,

it's choices. When he's going through, he's the greatest. How you have to explain nothing to me? R and B singer, writer, producer. He's probably giving away more hits than he's got for himself. The greatest to ever do it, Robert Kelly, Donny Hathaway, Stevie Wonder, Teddy Pendergrass Wow and Brandy Yeah, great list man, Great list. Okay, okay um. I don't think it's fair to just do top five. I mean Luther vandros Anita Baker. You know, it's it's so many people I pull from,

you know, Patty LaBelle. I'm mean, it's it's like there's Al Green, top Beliven five Top baby two. Okay, so look like, okay, here we go your top five R and B songs. Um, I believe I can fly m R Kelly Um um probably m hmmm. I would say, uh, Donnie Hathaway singing this song for you, um Stevie wonder all is fair in love? Mm and um it's got baby Face all over it. But yeah, I think one of my favorites is like, I'll make love to you water runs Dry, like baby Face is, Like his level

of pen and pedigree is is second to none. I think he's Um, I think he's definitely changed our world musically, lyrically, sonically. Um, baby Face is gonna live and die and never be able to shake hands of everyone's life who he's affected through his pen and he's not dying anytime soon. But yeah, he's whatever still right, Yeah he is still But he said to a baby Face voice to man water Runs Dry, which was written by a baby Face. But yeah, yeah, I'll make love to you. He can. Uh. You know

a lot about Voltron. A lot of people that come on this show don't know about Voltron because they weren't alive when Voltron was had. I don't understand the five lines coming together to phone Voltron to beat off the evil nemesis in space. You know what I'm saying, you really you are. You are the vot You bought that Voltron and I know you can meet me where I met when I say this, we're gonna form your R and B Voltron where you're getting the vocals from. Shout

out to Lorentz, Tate and Ludicrous. By the way, because we were the original Voltron. Whenever we would link up, the running joke was y'all nigga less form volt trying to go out hit these streets. Thinking we would always say that. So once I ended up forming that actual company and running with Voltron that actually came from me, Lorentz, Tate and Ludicrous just throwing in the former Voltron without just throw them in there without me. Yeah, and thank you.

There many take honoraryyat like your doctorate. Other people earned the doctorate. Tank was handed a doctor. No, No, he's earned it in the doctor. I earned my doctorate. All those we're gonna stop this ship right now. Oh, we're gonna get to you. God damn volt trunk. And we had no one there. He jumped over the time my doctorate is based on years of studies and accomplishments in the actual field. Not studying the book on how to

get to be in the book. Not in the book hoping to get to it, nah, not wishing him playing Okay, yeah on the turf, come on, because in the dirt. Yeah yeah, you got it from the mud, living it, Yeah, done in it and coming back to life again. Lifestyle nigga, that's why nobody gonna get you one. Let's get to your damn voltrun. You can't was hanging and I came out of that thing right on time. What who you're getting? Okay, let me tell you what you Who you're got the

vocal from performance style, from styling, from in passion. Let's start with the vocal. Whose vocal you putting on that voltrun? Teddy pendergrass m getting aggressive early? Yeah, turn them on? The performance style cows m M random music, you're build a man? Uh styling? Who put the drip on? Who get fly? Sure m hmm. Okay. He's been consistently killing him in the fashion space, especially look in that first video when he was killing you. I mean, who you're

gonna get? The passion? He man? We never do. You're not gonna get she said, she likes it my way. Who are you getting the passion of the artists from the heart of the artists Stevie mhmm, yeah, you feel everything, you can feel it everything everything. He's the level of conviction out of controver Stevie ist yeah, true, true, true, great, that's a great voltron. And it was four things so that things like you a little, the rands brands intact. So so y'all, y'all made the four vote troma. I'm

trying to give him, bro. Yeah, maybe he can play the piano field. We got one more thing for that, one more shade, more thing for shouldn't go ahead and you're no rabbit. M we ain't nigga. What's gonna you gonna do? Is you gonna tell us a story? But what you ain't gonna do is I ain't saying no names. I ain't saying no names, saying no names. Where you was, what you did? Don't say I ain't saying no yeah

yeah yeah yeah. So right now, so, right now, right now, right now, we are getting into Tyrese Gibson a k A. Black Tie. Don't talk about him. Listen, tap into the black Tie. The nigga was rapping and ship. He met a lot of cool producers and had him. It's only two rappers on him and problem black Tie, the franchise himself, the franchise tim Billy Billy. I don't know no other nigga got tim Billy at At. I heard about him. I don't know any of us. It ain't too many

of them. See you see you see him here? Yeah, you see him here. Believe it. And what he's about to do give us a story. Funnier fucked up. Are funny and fucked up. The only rule to this game is he can't say no names. This is Tyrese Tyree. I got one, no one, I got one. I ain't saying names, all right. So back when I did Two Fast, Too Furious um in Miami. This was the second movie after Baby Boy only I did Baby Boy Too Fast. I was one and two in Miami. We're going crazy.

I made one hundred and fifty thousand for Baby Boy, most money I've ever seen in my life. I made one point three million for Two Fast, Too Furious. So I was out of control. We party and we're turning up. We're going big. Were in Miami, never go to a club, never see the same woman. Were just out there going crazy. So there's this girl that ended up being on the movie set, and me and Paul Walker were both like flirting with this girl. She was actually the stand in

for Eva Mendez. No, no, the side side. It's cool. I'm gonna tell you something after you finished rolling. Uh. So, yeah, we're both given this girl all these compliments because again on the movie set, first team is the actual star in the movie. You're stand in that's helping with the camera, the lighting and everything that they're doing. They call them second team. Um, not a stunt double second team. So she's sexy, she's beautiful, and me and Paul just kept

complimenting this girl every day. Didn't make any moves, but it's complimenting. So fast forward, Um, the movie is about the rap and then um end up running into this girl. You know, I had already started hanging out with her, knocking her down. It was fun times. And then we

found out we were smashing the same girl. And I know you're not supposed to mention no names, but I just have to tell y'all that Paul quickly became one of my favorite people because the whole time both of us were smashing the same girl, and we never told each other that we were smashing. We just kept complimenting the girl to each other. And we'll be in the car. I'm looking at Paul like, yo, look, no bro, like he gonna playing the game with me the whole time.

So rest in peace to my brother. Man. He was one of my favorite humans. No one's supposed to drop no name, but there's no rules because we found it. But yeah, man, me and Paul for months were smashing

the same girl. Uh. It was crazy and uh And then for me, when I look back and I reflect on the conversations that we were having, giving this girl all these compliments and all this love, and the fact that for whatever reason, we just did not want to tell each other that we had already been taking it down, it was the funniest shit ever to then find out that we both were smashing while acting as if we wasn't, and it was only me and him that did all

these scenes. Again, it was obviously the whole cast of Fast. But yeah, it was crazy. That's great. Yeah, so that Nigga said all the names that he's a disruptor. He no, no, listen, listen, it's my game. It's not your game. You are a disrupted Brothers, but I love you, but I have to tell you that. But your corporate no, you cannot. I said names, but the names just made this story. Wade juice here then keeping the names out, Ladies, you think

I want hold on? First of all? Do you think I want niggas walking up to me everywhere I go to say, yoh, who was the I don't want nobody ask me no questions about what was happening in Miami on the set. I'm gonna tell y'all the name, So nobody welcome to me asking me the name, ladies and gentlemen. Sorry, Jay Valentine, ladies and gentleman, my name is tak He just said my name. I'm Jay Valentine. And this is the everybody podcasting yeah, on all things R and B.

I don't even know what to say. Man, I love your brother. I love you too, bro. Beautiful pain is coming, Beautiful paint is coming. Asn't dropped. Let me apologize in the fast hardest. I will go to the house, drive and put the shit out myself. Lady, thank you, this has been Can I go home now? Money. R and B Money is a production of the Black Effect Podcast Network. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

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