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don't look expensive, but it's expensive. Get down, make some noise here in the podcast RB Money Podcast. We got my brother's right that. Yeah, thank you for having me. Man come on my podcast. It was only right. Is my brother right here? Right came? Who came? Like right now? I don't do that. You do the same movie, the same movie, and you can never stop. You do the same You do the same one to cross back. I might's that bag of something you know to up. My

guy wants to get it. He's gonna get it. Jump he doesn't want to. He's gonna shoot it will be here else will not be here. It's got like a double clutch in it. I get it. It depends on the defender. It does it? Does you know? And Kyrie was that I was handing out buckets a little bit. Wow, Yeah, that's the name you're gonna as a name dry But it felt real though, you know what. I was on the court. I was like, I belong out here for sure.

I'm gonna take it. Listen, you were on the floor with Kyrie, was gonna take a drink of that man the baltizes on the juice class. He's not going with us being inappropriate. The dirt. This dispensive, for sure, This day is really good. So ste Low, our pod man is very informative. Yes, you know what I'm saying. And so we want to get your journey to this place that we call Hollywood, this this entertainment space where you've done very well. Yeah, you've done well. You know, you

know very rightly yourself. You you sent you sent out a picture to the bros of a seven million dollar house, and you did. You just posed the question should I get this not that is very leisurely that should I get? Okay? Should I get this one? You think this one's good enough? I don't know, stew I don't know is this one's gonna do what I think, never get any visitors. You never pulled up on me at all. You told me to get the house and it never came over. You

haven't pulled up on me either. But we'll go back to that. You you came here when I wasn't here, you know, because the only person don't invite mee was my wife. Yeah, this iss well is going on, bro take us from the beginning, right, so it's music, it's entertainment. All these things part of the family are your first generation. Let's go back to the shoy and and and pick up from the very beginning and and get you here sitting in the seat. For sure. I love that now,

first generation for sure. You know, being from Chicago, being from the West side of Chicago, UM, going and raised. UM. My parents would always tell us that, h just because we were from somewhere, that mean we have to be up that place. So I constantly told myself it was more. It was more out There was more out there. So I think I've done with high school. I went and I went to Morgan State for my freshman year. You know, shout the Morgan say yeah, you know, yeah, you're going

straight to high school. What do you mean you want to know? How did you feel high school? I was wing. It's a legendary movie. You just go do that. I am not. I forget about this movie because because listen, because listen, there is a debate. Yea. The debate is probably just me, yeah, yeah, yeah, if you a baby or not. That's only he's been the only person was presented this to me non stop, and I'm telling him not stop. Nor I wasn't Hardball. Was in a movie

Hardball when I was classic movie. Bro, you can't come classic, Come on classic. I was not in there as an actor. If I was, you know, aspiring to entertainment that shoot you down. In the project, I was ranked in the state for baseball, so they brought me in my my my school actually had auditions for the movie. My principal during the summer called me, I'm thinking I'm in trouble. During sometimes she called me like, yo, you have an audition. It's an audition up here for a baseball movie. A

baseball man. I'm gonna pull up. I pull up. They loved me horrible, went through yere and as I met Mike and all those dudes. Um, but that was my first glimpse I guess of being an entertainment, But I never had really wanted to be like in front of the camera or like that wasn't really what I was aspiring to do. Is that why you didn't talk in the movie? No, I didn't talk because I wasn't casting for that any when I was there. You know what

I'm saying. I end up getting paid. I end up getting paid more than most of the actors though, because of Illinois state labor laws stated that if I were I was on the main team. So if you worked the same amount of time, you got paid the same amount. And then I didn't have an agent or manager, so actually was being paid more and low key. They hated it, the kids to the audition, but the movie I hated so like it was a weird but me and speaking, I'm over here accounting money and y'all keep that up.

Uh No, but that was my first time being in a part of the industry, a glimpse of the industry. I thought it was cooling things, you know what I'm saying. I always heard you have a big personality, you should do things, But I never really aspired for that. Uh Speeding back up after high school, went to Morgan State. Was there for a year. Was like around music. There was a dude now no no, baseball was trying to be played basketball. I wasn't really hooping like that either.

Was more focused in music. Was seeing different There's different things around me. I'm a hustle person. Just always my wake up in the morning a D H D kick seeing. I just want to hustle and do things and make things move. So for me being in school was sitting still and I was like, you know what, I could be helping people do different things. There was Brandon Hines who was a singer and Howard Um. I had linked up with Troy Taylor and I had told him, Hey,

do I want to actually A and R? That's my dream. I want to be A and R and Troy. You know, Troy wants to take you through t t U to all of this R and b uh University. I want to work in business. Did some serious ship going on for one thousands like no no, like wanted to development production all that. Call him a mentor of mine, like wanted to do still to this day, I'll tell Troy like as much as we may bump his first business, Troy taught me things I could never learn from anybody

else within the industry. So I respect him for sure, and I wanted to really like work in the in the in the space. So like for me, I wanted to show I was hungry and show him that. So I remember, I ain't had that much money, but I had got these from hardball, having a little money sailor from hardball, and that also couldn't touch a certain amounts. I was eighteen, so I had a little money saved up as well. For that, I wanted to prove to

him that I was a hustler. Just have printed out all these flyers and different things that had really passed out all these Brandon highs my space, you are O flying us for that on on Morgan State's campus on thousands campus on then travels to it was one of the different colleges around and Trey and hit me like yo, I see a spike and then what you what are

you doing that? I'm all I had baldy like, I don't spend your own money, but I love the hustle of t nasty And like for me, I was reading the book Making Happen as Well, which was Kevin Low's book. Were only went to Morgan State for full semester, and I was already up for to semesters. So I'm like, yo for what I want to do. And all the people I was like looking up to aspiring to be like they were doing music and didn't necessarily have a degree.

I'm not saying people shouldn't get a degree, but they didn't necessarily have one. So for me, uh from Hardball and me and Mike Jordian Head became best friends. He was moving to l A full time. He was already like in and out of an apartment out here, but he was like, y'all moving full time, you should just ditch you after your firstman or come out here. I'm like, say left, I'm not really fluen, she told drop out. He influenced me to drop out. You get to blame Mike, Yeah,

influence me to dropout. I came out here for the first six months, I didn't have no plan, I didn't have no money. End up having to move back home to Chicago because I could not afford it at all. I was just trying to keep up, was really hustling,

couch to couch, all that type of ship. And then when it made a little small plan back home in Chicago for myself so I can get back out here, and got back out here and just hustle, hustle when I was first older you at this point, when I first moved here in nine then when I like really started to like at least be able to provide for myself out here, maybe twenty one, Like my first two years out here, didn't have a car. It's like really like hustling, like just you know, I would work a

room and ship. People thought like I had more going on to me than I did, but I definitely didn't. That's that's the thing too write, because we have these conversations about the grind and about because everybody thinks, like I'm just gonna move there. It's gonna be cracking as soon as I get there. They're gonna see my talent.

And you walk in the room and everybody's talented for sure, and everybody already knows each other and everybody has their their relationships, and you kind of gotta play catch up in that in that whole process. And people don't understand

the moving back home. Some people never come back at all. Right, it's a different type of it's a different type of humility to sleep on someone's couch, for sure, when you're just trying to be in that room and trying to figure it out because you're you're so focused on your career. And I think that part gets bypassed so much in the conversations that people have about the journey, about what it took to get to these spaces. If you want to speak about R and B. I was out here

for lage. You know what I'm saying. I was out here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, the couches, yeah, for sure, that's just facts. So a little while make the money, don't have the money, make you okay? Selling my life the girl? Ever tell you uber's waiting? No, not let you stay. Let me say I would put myself on the couch and work my way to the big room. I was tellings to keep you smooth, I should sleep on the couch. I never I was never comforable on the couch, right. I made

my game everything alright? There? Did you hear that? I heard the noise? Just checking on you. Listen my my move back, which is funny. My move back was moving to Rancho Cucamonga. Yeah, that was, you know what I'm saying, Because I was like, I'm not going home not And this is after a hit record, Yeah for sure. You know what I'm saying. This is after being CEOs with baby. You know what I'm saying. So people can understand how far is that from Hollywood? Rancho Cucamonga and traffic about

an hour and a half. Uncle he was the king, He was the king before I got there. He was the caing before I got there. His his vibe kind of dwindled down. And I kind of went in there and and and took over. But I had to get I had to get to an affordable space, for sure, because my my paper had ran out and I didn't have a car, so I didn't have a car that you know, carry went bad on me. So I had rented a Lincoln town Car. And then money was getting real,

real lough. So it was to the point where I was putting gas in the tank from changing the ash tray while they were looking for their rental car. Hey man, when you're gonna bring that back, I'm gonna hole at you. Okay, so we need that car back. He thought it was a library, But you have a dolphin rental. Come find me, actually, come find me if you want. They never did, never did, because I rented it out. I rented it out this way and we took it to ranch. That's all you

gotta do. He stole a car, he didn't still, I eventually gave it back. I followed it, and then the old street deal Um and Wane of the Fast cousins and got me a uh and got me an escalad x T. And then and then my my uncle who was fresh out of prison. I moved him into and he stole. It's a lot of stuff that goes into that. But all this to say is the move back is real when you're trying to figure it out. And I

thought about that. You know, when we firstly out here, we were in like to Pango with Naka area, which was no car out there. Y'all didn't have a car. I didn't have a car. Mike didn't either. Mike had Mike had a three series BMW. I was definitely she was embarrassed the car. He definitely had a car. They had cars, at least, believe me, because I was envious niggers. I had no car. I was like, these niggas can go places. This is crazy. Yeah. Then when I came

back out here though, end up putting together a plan. Um. I was working randomly, like I have so many random like connections with my life and degrees or some I was working readily with Joe Simpson his yeah, his Jessica Simpsons dad. Yeah. I was working with them, and Ryan Cabrera and our as I was managing named Chris Alas at the time, and all these different people working out this house and kind of working with them. And that's where I met Drama, who was Rob's cousin m and

he was trying to do a production company. But Rob, I do a show. Yeah, but yeah Rob here that uh from you know, the show Ridiculousness, and Robin bid over that fantasy if I don't skip over that. Yeah, has done great things. Yeah, yeah, he's done amazing things. Uh but yeah he he ended up I ended up helping Drama put together his publishing and production company was in the studios. He was a producer, he was trying to produce. Yeah, he was, you know, he producers producers

under him that were gonna be under it. So that was like C four and Bondo and and there was to do Cam Wallace. I don't know if you guys, Cam Wallace, but had he didn't produce under him and stuff and Rod had just came like two studio sessions randomly and it was just like asking. He talked to me after the second studio you don't know. I don't know him from my whole world. I know, of course we're in his building fans because a studio, I don't Yeah,

I don't know him at all. They knew I knew a lot of people already because one of the things I did take from Troy Taylor was nurturing relationships. He would always say me, you gotta nurture relationships, Like did you invite me down there? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, yeah I invited. Like you know what's funny, I I've have lived multiple lives that I've invited people and had people who I've had connection with the music who didn't even remember me from music. They remember me as steel Utle Brown from

Me and Dallas, Like me and Dallas. I've known da Was for years and when we reconnected, he you know, I was at his office one day actually playing him some records from cboards other people, and he was like, Nigga, you know I've been watching this show. It's this dude who looked just like on that ship. I was like, word, what show and he was like, it's a new one called Ridiculousness. I said. He was like, but his name is Steel because my name is And I was like, Nigga,

that is me. What are you talking about? He was like Nigga, I thought, But I didn't know for sure. So it's just always like, you know, interesting to see people like not connected to But yeah, Rob had just want me to the side and was like, hey man, you're funny as hell. We should do a show together, just like that on on something like yeah, if he was out there, you could be on my show man, And I was like, and I was like cool. I

didn't believe him at this point. Does he have Robert Robert big is already out in Fantasy Factor already, you know, you have another show already out, so I know that he is capable. I don't know his set up is. I don't know if he already got a deal for another show. I don't know if he's just going to pitch himself. He's just believing this is gonna happen. And I didn't know him. You know what I'm saying. He could just say as to everybody that walking through. I

don't know, but three months went by. I had told him when to do the show? Was interested cool? Three months went by, I didn't again, didn't know him. I got a call from a random number and he's like, yeah, it's like calls everybody. Yeah, He's like, yeah, this is robbed daredak things aboudy playing my phone like all right, cool, what is this for real? It's just Rob that show I mentioned that you I thought he said that. I knew it was him. He was like that show I

mentioned to you. We started tomorrow at ten am. Can you be there? I swear? And I was like, uh, yeah, I'll be there tomorrow to them, and I went into the pilot. We shot the pilot. I was horrible, and uh there was an order of speaking because it was him, and there was drama that was Chanelle and they were already on television and I'm only black dude, So I'm like, I'm gonna just shut up. I don't know what y'all was set up this here. Uh, but I was like

letting them talk about the videos and different things. I wasn't amazing on the pilot. MTV even told Rout like, hey, he wasn't that good, Like this is dude, you brought it in and he was like, trust me, I gotta like let him know that this is his show just as much as mine, and we're gonna work this out because he's hilarious. You just don't know. It really vouched for me, which ain't none but God, because I didn't know. I didn't know Homey at all, and being black saved me.

You know what I'm saying. They already had big big Black, wasn't around him, needed to black dude, but that that definitely helped that lot. And now we knocked it out and now we're a thousand, over a thousand episodes in. That's crazy. Season twenty nine is being filmed right now. We're looking to go for many more thousands. I can say that the record. Yeah, we're trying to, you know, do what we die. I guess keep hearing keeping money radio and broadcast. But you're just not on the show.

On the show. I'm producing a producer on this, Yeah, man, you know I'm trying to swack too much on Yeah, I'm pc it is. I've been producing this season two. Come on, I ain't trying to You got pros that are sparkly pros. No, no, no, they have diamonds drilled inside of them. Niggas ain't really never seen diamonds inside pearls like that. So if we're gonna stop, we're gonna start. I desided myself, me and reg you know this is crazy, but yeah, like you said, though, yeah, it's a lot

of episodes, and we ain't trying to stop. Man, diamonds and pearls, diamonds and pearls. You know what. I don't have no drink, but ye for I don't know m but here we are. Man dropped my R and B album soon made that up right now, you've done more in R and B though you've done working I've done working with R and B producers. I ended up working with C four. You did did uh um did some next breath? Next Breath? Yea, yeah, for sure, Sammy playing

was on that. I've worked there with with C four obviously with you ever trace songs, and I've worked for a lot of R and B people in the past. For sure, EP Create Too soundtrack the other year. That was the last I had really dove into music before I just dove again. But music is something that like I love man, it's like the reason I moved out here. You know, I'm something today, so it's not one to revisit, didn't know how, But just being around R and B. For me, I come from a place where R and

B is cherished. Chicago is super People don't notice. I noticed. Yea, your mother is a preacher. She is a preacher. So that's R and B is a get Yeah. Yeah, for sure in the pot it starts there, so I mean, you know, growing up in that type of household, it's kind of you get back to that at some point for sure. I mean when you think about vocalists, when you think about R and B, like I think about, it starts in the church. I think about some of the best vocalists in the world, people I really think

are the criminal crop come from the church. So for me, yeah, coming from that, I think you're just around real musicality, around real life things that you're like cool. And then also being from Chicago again, you know it's the home of rob Um, but also you know Twister anybody else that comes from there and their DNA anything in that DNA, that music is gonna be RB. It's gonna be so it's gonna start with that, do you feel like and because the church connection, I mean I have the same

church connection. How did your mother receive like your movements? You know what I mean in terms of you being out here in Hollywood and and the steps and you know, because there's a lot of access, there are a lot of things that are a lot of moving parts. I think everybody's parents can act the same until you t have all of it, until you make a little money and you tive off the money and they're like, oh, you made a little money until you time you you

know what the Lord is really using you out? I can tell of course my mom, you know she parents don't necessarily ever really understand. We all go through our different journeys. By the time that it is time for them to understand, the journeys have changed for each generation, you know, So like, you know, me wanting to go after this, my mom didn't. I was on a full ride at Morgan staid as well, my school is paying for my school is paid for you, and they were

just like, what do you do to market? Morgan State is like the home of the dropout that becomes successful. I mean, that's that's that's three right, And I had a full right. Dctor Carter gave me a world renowned Dr. Carter Scholarship. Damn, I need to go back to you can I think you are out around here. I'm here. I want to go back to the to the create to soundtrack, because you know, a soundtrack is a real process. Scoring the movie is a real problem. Don't understanding. Oh

my god, that music for film. It's a whole another place to muse for the regular the public and the people that just love records on the radio. Like you're trying to figure out how to make it connect to this movie. You dealing with people who don't normally do music, you know what I mean, these licensing people, these sink people, and oh we have this scene, can you play it like this? Blessed to work with lou will give it up, give it up for you know, Black Panther. He's done

a lot of child and being no stuff. He's just produced for everybody, does a lot of scoring. Now at this point he's looking like one of them go to in that field. Um so he was doing most of the scoring. We were brought in kind of to do the soundtrack and some'm scoring last minute too. We didn't really have a lot of time, so I just thought it was best it was me and fam who are

working on the project. I thought it was best to like bringing someone who could bring us all of those names and the same way that I kind of work my relationships to work different things. I was like, we don't have time, Let's bring in somebody that has an umbrella of network that can bring in different things. So I tapped into Mike Will, who you know DJs the homie tell them to Mike Will and doing the project.

Mike Will got to actually um produced the full creative soundtrack and we had we had everybody from Kendrick to Nicki Minaj to any name you can name was on the Farrell was on the project. So it was something I definitely was proud of for the time period that we had as well to get it done. That's you know, we weren't on there. Yeah he said, he said, and didn't he nothing, that's not even First of all, the little dog tried to attack me and somebody. You know

what I'm saying, Nucky, that's a little name. Get me there about the whole soundtrack, I'm like, man, this is so cool. Wow, that's amazing. We're gonna be on it. We're not on it, but I mean it's so many more days for us to work and so many Yeah, I mean, I don't hit me for nothing. Show we're going there. I'm just saying, family, my sister already know what's going on. She hit me like, yeah, look she

kicked she kicked it off like that. Just know whenever she called me and say, brother, how much you need? How much you need? I like, your sister, bro, your mom, your pop is your brothers bro, Like, I'm fully locked in. So whatever they need. When we in Chicago, we always say now and my sister is biggest fan, is scary how much she loves you? Um so yeah you are. That's a nigga's sisters. Yeah, she a thug nigger. And she'd be like, I love take. I've never seen you

so saw on phone. I love have you? Have you seen my earlier photographs? I've seen you, brom you. I'm a big fan. I appealed to. I'm a big fan to you know what I'm saying to the goons, to the church people like all of those things in one since that's the segway for it, though, what what you funk with in this R and B space because Tank, come on, man, you got your you got your you got your segment. Well you you know you're asked him

real R and B questions. He's been around a lot of great R and B. Yeah, you know a lot of great R and B. We've all been in the rooms together. Yeah, for sure. So very cool. You you have opinions, you have thoughts, you have musicality running through your veins. You eat, you know, you eat it the private, in the private like back kitchen at the Lita, right like you don't eat with the people. The people don't we talk private? Very here we go talk, go ahead.

That room's not public to everybody. I'm joking. I brought it back in diamonds, drilled in diamonds to the pearls. I don't know if y'all hurt. I don't even know if Prince had that. The diamonds are drilled in the black pearls. You know you got to coordinate. Okay, um, top five R and B artists, and this is from us. I can ask that what okay? Is there is there an error? You coog who? I just want to ask a couple of questions. I answer this ship, do you mean this is Is this just from like vocally or

are you saying this is from numbers? This is if you were putting, if you were grabbing some seat, let's save you a CD Star Star use a if you were Tower the Tower records you need to and you're about to grab your top five R and B c ds. You got George Daniel spot Yeah. I don't stand about kills at all, but R Kelly is one of the top R and B niggers of all time. And I'm for Chicago, so I gotta say that. Um, he's the guy. All that rape stuff is not my thing, but the

R and B amazing. I'm trying to think of who oh top uh you know Teddy if he can if you want to, you want we got love R and B way too much to even answer you. Yeah, but like yeah, Rushmore do only get you far? Okay, So he's got Teddy, then we got we got Luthor. Um, then I'm I'm getting sexist. I don't know why I'm doing that, because because Witney you can, you can go Whitney to Like, why would I even play that game? It's so many people. This is I don't like this

list I made the list. Don't like like it's a good list, but I don't respect it. It's too many people, Like I think there are so many people one you got one last place on the list work throw is it for us? The list is favo moving. It's never it is. There's so many people I really like and I am keep my job. No, your show is called ridiculous. It's called ridiculousness. Ridiculous. I'm trying to Okay, I wouldn't normally go USh. I'm trying to think, is that really?

You know who I used to really funk with, like all the way before he came a Target artist, was on John Legend. I used to really love John. A target artist, that's when your album at the front of Target, when you're checking out in your albums, Like, No, it's just like saying, like I'm making music for the masses, for the man. I'm not saying the bad bigger I'm not. Don't get a confused, Listen, I've never heard that term a target artist. I've never heard I made it up

all of my albums. I also made it up. But my album comes out and Target check out check out the front to check out the front with with a thing with a whole check out check your names, but it's Knig is John Legend is Jennifer Husband. Don't make me name the checkout artists take I love you, but you're not a checkout artist. They said check this out, but then check out artists is the thing is Christmas album here in July? Check out it's not good. I'm

not saying. I'm not saying about checkout safe? Yeah safe? Why can't you don't want to be I've been at the front of Target before, like three times. Check out though, to checkout is different. Whatever top five R and B songs or albums you can you can interest songs or you can interest album my Gray's inspiration from ted DV. Let's go back there. Um so my inspiration inspiration, that's the record, that's the one record albums Uh why loving

pain my ship? Nothing? Started saying, I'm saying that's my dog for sure. Ye out here, man, that's that's my that's my album, right's there. It's never at the checkout though, check because you don't have no shirts. Niggers with no shirts are not at the checkout field. And you ain't never had an album cover with a shirt. He did it was a mistake. I told I don't know, I

told it was cool. Everybody got it was mostly my fault, but everybody he was like, told me, you only want to told me okay, okay, Uh, you know I ain't got to keep in with the Slammers on but TP two Uh these yeah, these are like these projects for me, Like you know, Confessions is like as much as its hype, it's it's Confessions. Like it's like, what are we talking about? Confessions? The greatest period I love. I'd be like liking, uh, is it? Is it? In my own words, I'm trying

think Neo's album, the first one? What was that ship? What was it called? Yes, it's something very similar to my own words, in my words or something like that, my own words, it might be first album is amazing, but it's certain. I mean those are still those are not necessarily you know, throughout history for me, albums for me like, yeah, it used to really be like this album is incredible. Yeah, like this album isn't. Yeah, it makes you feel something for sure. I can go back

to all those albums too and still play. That's important. It's very important. And I think with R and B because R and B is so timeless a rap, you know, it kind of goes up in the air here and there. Sometimes they're like really going back and playing some ship. But at R and B, like, I believe you should be able. It is the core of so many other genres that I believe you should be able to go back and still listen and be like this shill. I mean I listened to old Yeah records. You're like, yea

from this still go still feel good. Yeah, we're gonna get to that too, because we want to get to something I heard earlier. Um, are be vote Trump? If you're putting in the ultimate R and B artist together, like you're on two K building the place? What pieces do you take to build one mail? Build a mail? But I'm not like building them like a real transformed like this person for their hands, No, you know, I like her fingers, but they like a vocalist. But I kind of want to go with you. Who are you

babbing the vocal from? Matter of fact, I'll help you who you grabbing the vocal from? That is so like it is tough because there's so many different tones and different reasons you like different tones, and like you've been in that Teddy p bag. Like I'm trying to think who like, Yeah, it's different, like vocalists do different things that I just be like, like like you building yours? Yeah,

yeah artist. Okay, Brandy is a vocalist. I really fun. Yeah, I just don't getting Brandy and shout out lean let me let me do Brandy on there as a vocalist. Uh, what else are you doing? Who would you performance? Value? Stage president? Okay? Oh, I mean you cb is. I mean I don't think necessarily that I'm making an artist that I'm like, these are gonna be all the things you can check. This is a superhero. Okay, as long as we are, what are we talking about? Is cbe? Uh?

Is style? Oh? Style? You gotta have to market this artist? Yeah? Yeah, because i'd be I'd be keen on style too. I'm dressed by me right now. But trust pretty normally I'm trying to think it was style. I'm like, yo, be getting fits off from any area? Yeah, Marvin gat a slick style classic and it's like my type of ship wasn't like he smoked a whole bunch of just put some ship together and he's just a fly nigger. Yeah. Yeah, just what the is that he went a fish net.

It's gorgeous, you know, like yeah, yeah, so Marvin Gaye style for sure, it was fly um and then where else we were used to style, we got vocalists, we got performance. Uh that those three races s yeah, brandy artists, Randy, Chris Brown, Yeah, Marvin Marvin Yeah, yeah, that's decent. You know what I'm saying. Yeah says let me still that there's got to put inflection on any other Okay, um, what aren't you listen to you right now? M right now in this moment. Uh, the Blast record, I'm forgetting

names with huh Blast dopest. But I mean I love you. I love some of these dudes up be dropping shot by these names. It's nice, yeah for sure, for sure. I think that's probably I'm trying to think. Is it something I'm really like? I mean, I don't want to seem cliche. Break my soul really makes my soul feel rich. It feels amazing. I love to hear. I mean, how it started in Chicago, How it started in Chicago, How it started in Chicago? You know what I'm saying? And

like the what you hate that so much? The rain dance that it looks like, and what's when y'all getting there? That's not that's something totally different now dancing on somebody. Okay, so Chicago, right, yeah, now we're here, Yeah, we're here, give us the juke scene the footwork like right, because every now it's like everybody who taps into Chicago that

don't know just everybody thinks it's just drill music. But that's you know, now it's drill people that really know Chicago is like the taste of Chicago, the food, right, But then the dancing, right, I had to experience it myself and see it. Always make jokes about it because I can't do it. Yeah, it's the funniest in the world to me, but I can't do the ship right. Break that down to it though, because Jack, like Tank,

we both juking and footworking pretty the same thing. I Mean, you could be like, I'm going to a juke party, but juke in itself was like when a girl was dancing on you, she juking on you, and that well, that ship just juking. That party of juke. That just means like a certain dance as a certain dance, footworking is completely different. It's moving your feet, then you got like um bobbing. It's a whole bunch of different dances.

I think. Also what people not realizing is that the biggest rap dance record of all times comes from Chicago, of all time, Slide from cash Man, uh he from Chicago. Cass was one of the original rap like innovators and stuff like during the African and bottom days. He was an early rap pie and then for Chicago and then yeah he you know, he has a little movement and stuff back in the day, but his biggest record, obviously Cass was like yea, So like yeah, dance itself has

always been within the culture. Like you go to different cities and everybody not necessarily dancing every city you go to or different you know what I'm saying. Bottimore got some good club music, New Jersey, New York, different places you go. It might be the Oakland might be dancing, but like certain other places, you know, people just be chilling the walls or be in the club scene. In Chicago.

Choice cities that actually have dancing places, right like the Bay like you said, we got we got the hype movement that l a. There's more towards the gang culture, but it's still dancing, you know what I mean, Like it's it's still that in Chicago. Has so is that connected to the streets like that too, dars? No, is it just now you could like it was probably if anything, like you had your groups like house rest is probably a way to stay out of the streets. Gonna be

a buck with you. Like dancing were just parties. You would go to basing parties and stuff and everybody to be dancing. Street ning is definitely dance because well, I think it's funny in certain cities you could definitely be around. Definitely did. Yeah. Also in New York train things at the best knees right now in the world. That's the ship. It's not getting started, yea. Yeah. But it's like also like the thought of Nigga's doing a full hearing that

bit out beyond me. Yeah, but I mean the dance, the whole dance was crazy. Me and my brother's definitely full work. Definitely, that was something that was the way I was like a mouthpiece almost, like you go to parties and if you can dance, if you would do that, like I wanted that attention of like let me dance, that was your way of picking up chicks for sure.

That's the like when you talk about dance, what you're doing right now, the nigga marries a dancer, and now in his mom it's not it's not it's not it's not in my it's not in my mind. See in eighth grade, Okay, we're going back eighth grade. Eighth grade prom I won that dance contest. Okay, who else is going to get me? Who was going against all the kids from the hood? Everybody, nobody, everybody wanted you remember

nobody name. I mean nobody was a good dancing. The only thing in my head is songs, lyrics and melodies that all this left. We was dancing to everything. I was eighth grade. What was that? Was Bobby Brown doing something back then? Okay he was really danced. No, I was really dance, just really running, man was passion. It was really it was really flipping. I was the first CB. You know what I'm saying. I did a summer salt on beach. That was me. Know what I'm saying in

hard bottoms, He's the first Chris Brown. Yeah, I don't know. I'm just saying. I'm just saying I did to flip on beat like listening to this music. It was it was dad, so they allowed it. And then you know what I'm saying, cut to my my first single. Know what I'm saying, you did dance? No, I don't know. What I'm trying to allude to is that I was. I danced in that video and I danced very well. Now that's the part I'm what did do? That's not

what we what we're talking about the song. Yeah, the song had a different effect, but it wasn't about my dance. My dance, you know what I'm saying, was my gift and they saw that. Cut to you know what I'm saying another song where I danced in Um You're My Star. I'm starting to see a correlation between me dan song, but the whole rap every time he is my dance. I can dance. Can you dance? Yes? I can dance? You still like do a move each show? I can

do choreography. It just looks strange. It's no, No, surely your burden of dance has just been the mic stand just like I guess I think it should has buzzles this brew. But if that's what a man I can dance, I can do choreography. People can do stuff that. I mean, they should do it. No, no, and it's like everybody like people have a voice, but like that mean you should like always use it, you know what I'm saying, Like you could probably dance. I just don't know if

people necessarily want to see it. You know, you have a record that I just heard, Yeah, you have a record. No do it. No, I'm not it's gonna do it. No, I'm no, I'm not, No, I'm not. What I'm saying is that the record I heard, As you said, you should be able to go back to R and B moments and they should be able to um you know, standing the test of time and that Avant record that you sample it's absolutely you know. And then Avanti Kiki and now you sample it, sampled it, um and and

she sounds dope. Yeah. I was listening to some ship today like from a different artist, and it was a cool like a dope R and B sample. I was like, damn and use as super dope And I was just like yo, just time as R and B is like, you know, I think we did our job on that record on My Love with Me and Buddy and Aaron ray out to them. But in the same brother, I'm like, very cold that record, thank you that record, though I'm

still like, that's that's just R and B classic. There's certain things, yeah, you like even you know, you don't always as a kid, you would hear hit records sometimes and you'd be like really good and wouldn't know there was a sample and there or that there was that your parents took and was like this because timeless and classic music just don't fucking go nowhere. So like we like when I heard that beat, I was just like, what this is a pinner from me? Rob Holiday? Dud

shout to Rob Holiday. Yeah for sure, yea at your cup you need no, no, we can't. But yeah that so for you the music side, right, the artist artist side, is that just purely a passion thing for you where you just like, you know what, I got these thoughts I want to do something? Or is it are you from your from your point of view? Are you looking at it like I'm trying to compete. I'm about to

go all out. I'm about to be doing radio at six in the morning, I'm about to be flying too cities I didn't even know existed in the country here. Or is it just like you know whatnot. I just feel good about some music. I want to put it out. I want to just vibe. I think there's a balance. I think like honestly, it's it's the first one. It's me really want to put music out and wanted to create um for myself before creatives in the sense of, like, you know, people project on you so much and tell

you what you can and can't do. Whatever I makes sense for you, what you can do that, because that's gonna disturb this this I've wanted to put out music again, whether it be me behind the scenes in front of whatever it was. I wanted to dibble and dab, will have my hands in music. So I like went about this project. It was really just me doing it because my my my therapist told me to, like, yo, just do something to help you release something that you never

completely before. I was like black man in therapy, Yeah for sure, I love that shout out to get in touch with your feelings. Yeah, and we get we're getting stronger. He's week I'm getting stronger. But as black men, you just touched on something that we we kind of go around in our culture right as far as you know, going to therapy, finding outlets to get these things off

our mind. You know, someone just someone telling you you should try this, addressing the traumas man, because you know, we we come from brokenness, you know what I'm saying.

That's the origin of us even being here in the first place, and so unconsciously, you know what I mean, things have been passed down, you know, from whether it be whether it be traits or just practices, you know what I mean, that just played us just because Yeah, I have an argument that the latter might be a little hard to argue, but I argue that any black person here in America is duple therapy just from living

here in America. Uh. And then on top of that, I would even argue, as much as this sounds like, uh my Christian side and being forgiving it all the times, that every white person should be in therapy as well, for for them living here in America. Like, We've went through so many things here that are not even within your household, not even with that, just you know, just from surviving here that you know you either talk through or understand or be able to break down and be like, well,

why is this thing making me feel this way? Or look at this thing, this way. So I try to definitely go to therapy. It's made me nothing but a better person for sure. For you, I'm gonna hang out hang out with you what not even know I'm in therapy, No, you justson, I do think I'm a better person. I try to be ship. Yeah, I appreciate that. I try to make sure that like I'm really um leaving something behind, you know, if nothing else. You know what I'm saying,

it's a sweet tweaked. Some nig is definitely be tweaking. You know what I'm saying. It depends on what they're smoking, for sure. But now I'll be trying to like really look at life that way and be like, what am I leaving behind? What legacy? So even when UM thinking about that from the music standpoint, it's not even that I was like, this is a part of my legacy. But I'd be damned if I live a life well, I didn't do things I wanted to do just because

of side somebody else told me that I shouldn't do it. Look, I could have easily dropped the music project and everybody said, please fucking never do that again. Luckily for me, nobody said that I've gotten nothing but good responses, positive feedback, and then on top that I did it for me, so I feel, you know, success. You know, have I died into any project? I asked myself what success looks like one at the end, what am I doing this for?

What am I so? For me? I'd already achieved success by just getting my thoughts out and just doing this ship because it was scary as hell being like, hey man, you do this completely different thing you television or you've done this thing over here now people that you know, most my most relationships I've had in music are from me being a manager, of me being this thing now to hit people up and be like, hey, can you

send me some being with me? Nigga? What first? When I first started my project, I was line in this. I was being like, Yo, send me some bes. I'm working on a secret project on working on and Nika just like, send me stuff because you know, relationship with me and you know I ain't never hears up with a bull, so maybe it's gonna be all right. It was for me, all me. It was all for me.

But you know, as the project is came out and people were like, yo, honestly, it's it's it's good as that I've I've I've enjoyed it, and I've been I've been cooking up a little more. You know what I'm saying. It's again, it's still for me, it's still I'm not expecting to be the biggest ropper of the biggest artists in the world. That's not what I'm here for. I've been blessed enough to, I guess, get these dreams out.

Dreams are expensive as fun. So for me to be able to even do this as a is a luxury. It's a blessing by God. But for me also to get it out, it's a form of therapy as well. For me just to continue to to to to release and create a d As I wake up each morning, I just want to create. So this is one of the outlets I've gotten. It allows me a layer of myself as I dive into different different things. It just allows people to keep looking at you being like, we

don't know what this nigga can do. M And they shouldn't know everything. You should be able to continue to surprise. Yeah, especially if you can do the work and you do it at a high level. Right, So shout out to the el Dorado Excursion. I appreciate that, man, I appreciate you know, we have this very important part of the show, very very important part. I know he can do it. I know. I'm scared. I listen. I'm I'm a bet. I'm gonna bet myself something to go ahead, Okay, I'm

gonna bet myself. So the part of the show is called I ain't saying no names. M will you tell us? You tell us? Yeah, these niggas is sick? Yeah, somebody that's crazy? Right. The story can need to be funny or funked up or both. Okay, damn, I don't know. I was with you, man, But also like what story belongs to the one I know? The only rule I'm trying to think. Damn. Oh, I'm trying to think of a good story, like no bullshit. I have so many

stories just over the years of just being around. Um, this should be R and B based, it should be a story. This story might not have a hit. Fuck if this story don't hit them, be sad because it's a story. We know you, we know you're funny. You've been funny about that. It's uh, go back. I could say some names don't need to it's me. It's just me. The story is about men saying that you can't say nobody names. I didn't do nothing like that, man, you

can't myself. All right, let me let me think then, because if you didn't incriminated that story, I kind of think of a better story because that story I had was just about being a broken nigger. That was it. Um. Yeah, I trying to think because the other story and thinking about that's come out y'all got you on that? What it? No, I'm trying to think of like a story that's don't feel light, but it's like that's funny. Uh yeah yeah uh. This thing is face because he's just thinking like, yeah,

whatever you're thinking about that now, that's the one. Don't overthink it. Oh, I got a story. I see all them. That story either doesn't involved some other things I know, I know, but like that, these stories are like the stories that they're funny to me, but they're not necessarily like it was a nigga. It was I went to the show one time, right, my boy hit me, like,

YO put up to this show. I'm not the show at this venue out here in l a uh and I only be going to this venue because like the kind of venue it is, I'd be like, it's gonna be up in the l type of nick is gonna be there, the type of whole vibe is gonna be or we set up correctly, whatever, But my boy having the show, So I'm like gonna be supported. I'm a good friend here I am, So I pull up, I

get there earlier to everybody else. Right, cool whatever they tell me that that put to the back there, like, no, you can go through this where we're gonna put you in the vr plere gonna set you up. So I'm feeling like cool at the time. And ship, I'm popping a little bit more in my head and like Mr Brown, we got you all that good ship. So we go up to the section and uh, I can't think a

face looking this thinking so funny. But he gives me the section and it's this nigga that like, this nigga is like waving me, waving, waving at me from outside the club. Thought, just like in this little door area that's in the back of the club slash venue, and this nigga waving me down. I'm looking like it's this nigga waving at me. This is like weird. I an't know this nigga. So then I'm like, I'm ignored. Security comes over to me and they're like, hey, this nigga

back there say he knows you. I'm like, who the nigga said, nigga back there, I say, I don't know anybody back there from like I'm just here at the club chilling to my homies. Girl letting get off. The security things. That's smart to turn around right in that moment, No, nigga, he said he don't know, not even like walking it over. Very dangerous. I don't even know this. And he even walking over and was like hey man, they said, They're like when you don't know who it came from, it's

me and him talking. Basically, this nigga right here said you ain't good him and starts hitting him with this. I'm like, yo, fam like I say to him in that same moment, hey nigga, I don't know that nigga. It could be craziest, could be all type doing that ship. He was like, my bad members like him. No, he said he knew, you know. I was like, all right, cool. We fucking fast forward. The nigga asked crazy gets in

the in the club is crazy. Niggas always find that way, not only the club, but n v I P. So this this nigga gets in the club and not gets only the club, he gets in v I P. He comes over to me and says, hey, Nikka, I was the one way and I said, oh, my batman, I don't know what it is, my bad, but you're here now, so we're good. Right, all has been sold. He was like, uh no, nigga, you gonna know who I am? And he says his name to me. It rings a slight bell,

a little street nigga. But I'm also like, nick I'm not trying to hear none of this ship because I'm like, I'm not like for me, it's very black and white. It's like you're either pressing me or you're not. So the nigga was like he had Nigga is my name? He said, ain't you the nickel from MTV. I said, yes, nigga, you know my name? And then he was like, no, nigga said my boys stepped in front of like, Nigga, we ain't talking about none of that. You can move

over all this. I'm alright cool, it's all dead. One of the homies whose show I came to see is on Crazy Time. He's like, no, Nigga. So he sees Niga talking to me and steps up and hey, Nigga, I'm with all that all that ship you talked. I thought I had already do la. I thought this ship was so packed it up and put it in suitcase. Put the way I said that was supposed that. Nigga said, not close enough, Nigga over, Nigga, we with all that ship, Nigga,

all that crip ship you blush you talking. I'm with all that. I'm with the g DS and the Folds. I'm with the Vice Lords and the most every game. But I'm like, I'm I'm kind of with him, but not anymore. I'm not with all those games, okay. I'm like okay. So he's like, yeah, Nigga, so all that ship you with, we with all that? And I was like, okay, this nigga. So they get to going both and beef and going back and for I'm like, this is crazy. I thought it was overwhere and y'all niggas are doing

too much. And then this nigga taps this nigga like yo, they have you know, polied it up. I guess they got to some kind of common ground. I don't know there was in each other faces, got some kind of coming around. The nigga tasked me like, hey, you know Steve Lowe grabbed his number? Did he say they trying to link the nigga who was just presently while would I've been grabbing his number at any point? This is crazy, this is insanity. I'm working with the nigga time, so

I get his number. I'm like, this is crazy. So nigga like, get me, gonna hit y'all later. I'm like, I'm not talking to this nigga. The nigga hits me a day later, Hey I'm back again, basically hit me and then and say hey, I'm back. Yeah, nigga, we need to meet up. I say, what, nigga, I'm not meeting niggas, So I'll make a call to some niggas. I like, yah, nigga, y'all know this nig y'all was there. You was there, nigga. You saw this nigga being weird,

But I saw weirdly. When this nigga saw my dog, he kept he was doing all the wolf wolf bark bark, but they kept bagging up. Whenever my one dog walked up, I'll be peeping rooms, n nothing from Chicago. I hit my head on a swift so I pete that this nigga is doing all this big dog ship become a lu every time my dog step up. So I'm like, if nothing else, if push comes to show them texting my dog tomorrow, But what the fund is up with this? What's going on? I hit my dog next to he said,

don't talk to that nigga. Give me five minutes, and nigga, never call you again. They gave me five minutes. I ain't never hear for the nigg again. Here we are, you know what I'm saying. That was a story within the industry. Dough this this is a common story in l A. Cats trying to press their way in for sure, press their way on from and every and every guy this stay city. M hmm for shoot, this is my city. Yeah, I got you leach on fast for shot. You gotta have a don't have a guy here or a few

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