REPLAY - HitMaka

R and b's money. We are thank you take VALICHII. We are the authority on R and D. What's going on.

I am tank, this is the Valentine and this is the Army Money podcast, the authority on all things R and B. And we got in the building. Me and his brother go back, like way back, like we used to rent.

Lamborghinis from the same guy. Now we can afford to own that. You're the sailor saying he can get more Lamborghinis than me. Now he can get lambas. We got this brother in the house.

Man.

I don't know how he did it.

I don't know how he's doing it, but he's continuing to change the game and elevate himself and.

All the people around him. We're gonna find out today. We're gonna find out today. Hint maker in the builder.

Yes, first of all, thank you, Bro, Thank you for Thank you, Bro, Thank you for my brother been here. Man, I've I've watched you for a very long time. I think you were sitting in an expedition. Was an expedition and in the uh in the parking lot at the Underdogs Old joint on on in North Hollywood, and you had to window down. You were smoking a little bit. You had your leg up and you said, listen, man, you need to get some records from me. And look at you, and I was looking at you, and I

Already. Listen, listen cut to you called it. You had him, you got him that some crazy times the Underdogs, Bro.

Like I know y'all experience with the Underdogs is way different than mine. But just like catching that wave and being around Damon and Harvey and all them other time, Man, you gotta think they had like the Avengers of songwriters and producers all in are yourself, Jay j Q, what's Dawkins? It was just like, Bro, it was amazing. I learned a lot really at that. And that's where I met Aaron Ray that signed an interscope or whatever Underdogs and

You are wild. Listen and if hit make it casts you a wild boy? Wold I to live with him. So you know when I was damnar homeless, he let me stay in one of his rooms. He was solid, he was cool.

Listen, listen, we was up on top of the hill and the pool it would simmer and the steam will come on for we just called the hot dog water. So you know that don't sound right, but well, Paul, we'll pause it. You know what's going on there. So listen with with with with our with our pod. You know what I'm saying, Like we are, we celebrate the music one hundred percent, and you go back a long way, even before Hit Making. You know what I'm saying. You had hits before Hit Maker. Yeah, young And so I

And and if we can start at the.

Beginning and kind of and kind of get to those pivotal points that were game changing for you and then make our way to one of the craziest shames I've ever seen. If we can make our way there, you know what I'm saying, The people would love that. Okay, Alright, So the beginning. I'm from South side of Chicago, you know what I'm saying. So I started there and like a lot of people don't know, my parents are a millionaires, so like I came from.

Like yeah, like I ain't never had a.

Sandwich, a hot dog, a hamburger, lunchable. I ain't never had burger king I briefly like a McDonald's nugget maybe or something like that.

I ain't never had none of that shit in my life.

And I'm in my mid thirties right now, so like that ain't never happened to me.

Ever.

I ain't have peanut butter and jelly. I ain't never had a motherfucking.

Uh you had chefs? Yeah, you know, you know I met his pops.

No, I met his pop to the BMI award me this fool and Damon Thomas at the same table and his daddy, Yeah, his daddy.

Cool and the motherfucker. And he keep his camera out.

He said, he said wait because he saw somebody else talk to me, said wait, did they say you was Jay Valentine.

I'm like, yeah, like, ain't put our records in the honey. He like, I know who you are. Let's take this picture. I'm gonna get a p everybody in here tonight. He in a mix, he not playing nah. So that that happened.

And then I was, you know, back in the day, I was well, my next door neighbor was Shawna from Disturbing the Piece or whatever where getting some head. Her dad is buddy guy. So they were my next door neighbor. They were the first people I seen indoor pool outdoor pool flexed up or whatever. So she was in rap groups and she was rapping and like that kind of like rubbed off on me, my brothers and like all the people around her or whatever.

So I just seen it from that view.

And then as I got older, I was a bad kid, bro like not really bad, like.

Like yeah, I was bad.

So, like my parents got a divorce and my dad went back to the city and lived in one of his apartment building pretty much like he went back to the hood and we was living in his apartment building on the East side of Chicago whatever, because my dad is like a real like real estate mogul in Chicago. But he when they had a divorce, we left a big house and he's like, fucking, I'm gonna just go live in one of my buildings and I'm gonna raise my son. I didn't live with my mom. I wouldn't

Like so I.

Remember being in love or raps and shit, and like my daily routine, like my dad would give mem like twelve dollars for lunch money. I would go and buy like a nickel bag of weed. I would buy half pint of Seguins.

Gain.

I would get on the bus and write raps and go to school. And this is like eighth grade, freshman year in high school.

You know what I'm saying. Like I was wild and I used to have a crackhead. Go buy me a half pint of Seguins. Hey, man, you got you. And this guy no, no, no, I did my research on him. He's different. Yeah, he was different, like for real, for real.

From there, I ended up meeting up some street niggas, you know the whole story, And then pretty much I created a demo with this guy named Bugs who still works with Kanye to this day. They like right hand or whatever. So my demo had Jesus walk beat on it. My demo had all wait.

Wait wait wait wait wait that actual beat.

The beat to Jesus Walks was a song by me before it was Kanye's song, and it was on my demo which led to me to get signed as a kid. So from there, Boom the Dope Boy, the street dudes or whatever, they take me, and then like we do the whole little tour, like I remember Tommy Boy wanted to sign me. I met a whole bunch of different people out here. There used to be a club called Luna Park, and I think like the Lakers that just

All these different people.

So everybody was offering me deals, and just so happened, Eve had a stylist named Joe Exclusive that.

I shout out to.

Joe Exclusive always somewhere, always in the mix for sure. That was Eve's stylist, and I've been around Eve a lot.

So he introduced me to DMX.

At what these bitches want from a nigga video shoot at the Paramount Lout or whatever. And then from there I gave DMX my demo and he was.

Like, yo, Shorty, Uh smoke, but I'm gonna get to you later or whatever. So he went smoking.

I went and I rapped for him and like, I'm from Chicago. So my first rap was like I say, go off with a tent, smoke, film to the hill and like some twister shit, and he was like, Yo, Shorty, I understand what the fuck you said, Give me another one. So I did another one, the whole fucking trailer of reps. And the next day I come back, Aliyah's daddy in the trailer playing my music.

They're going crazy or whatever. Lead to me.

Signing the DMX, And that's what fourteen like a real kid.

But I was.

I was like me, now I'm smoking cigarette, smoking weed, drinking, Like who you you with.

Your you with your guys from Chicago? You not with Pops? You not?

No, I wasn't with Pops. So like I'm moving like a grown man. Yeah, Like I was really rebellious. So you gotta think back in those days, the rapping was about staying true to like I mean, I had so many bricks in my raps or whatever, like I wanted to be industry Like I was literally selling crack, like like my parents were millionaires and I was spitting out rocks and selling them to my like crackheads on the corner, Like I really wanted to live that life like and be about that with my raps.

So from there, my pops.

In them scene, I was so rebellious that they just didn't stand in my way. I was leaving regardless whether y'all let me go or whatever. I'm going regardless. So they took me all these different places and then that was my first time meeting ray Ja, and then DMX was just like Shorty, I'm gonna sign you. It's not

I'm like, damn, this is you. Yeah.

So I went in the booth and I lit his ass up, flamed this ass up and.

Ship from now.

When I came out the booth, pop pop niggas to start putting hands on me or whatever, and they like locked me in the room and like bugs was the guy that pulled me out the room. And then that's how I got out my contract with the street guys or whatever, and then I signed my deal with DMX, and that's how that started him. Yeah, he was the producer. He's a top producer. Got that just taught me all the stuff. Like the street guy. No, he's a producer, he's just a music guy. But the street guy that

Like resting piece of X.

Man, that man was really good to me, you know what I'm saying, Pauls and uh man, I mean he stole my first piece of pussy like I was still a virgin. He dirty stole my first piece of ass, Like.

Was it really yours though? Because he was the star? Yes, but look so look yes it was it was. We all know how this shit goes.

I took a question of my So look, we in Canada film and Exit Wounds the movie or whatever with Steven Seagal and all them, and I'm up there with him while he's up there, and we go to a club and we vibe and he loves pool, so we go to a club that got pool tables and then we vibing and whatever. And I found me a joint and I'm vibe with the joint the whole night. So you know, to play the artist when he leave, he leaving his car and then the Antourize they get in

Next to his.

So I get there and I'm putting the key in the room and next thing I know, the door fling open the presidential suite.

He're like what up? I'm like what up? He like, heyo, ma, I think you love your person room. And we never been to the hotel at all. Like we met these women at the.

Hotel and he made a bline away from me and I never seen.

That woman again. So what I'm going to tell you, my brother, it wasn't you. You weren't you. Weren't hit making yet he wasn't you. Wasn't hit making, And that was your introduction into this ship. I was trying to jump in the game. Man. He took it, took my took my vibe away from me. Man for real. So whoever you.

Are, young lady, if you're watching this right now, you're not low viral.

So what's the what's the next pivotal point? Do you think after signing the d m X, now it's time now starting to show improved.

I put some numbers on the board.

Yeah, so I think that X when they gave him the deal or whatever, he was just so on fire that he didn't really know the business.

And that's what was that depth jail.

He wasn't in the vibe of really creating a business.

He was X you know what I'm saying.

But he had the right people around him, Shot to Jazz, Young Tina Davis, Kevin Lyles, Leo, all the people that was around or whatever. So at that point, the nigga gave me a dog and was like, sure, you gotta take this dog everywhere with you. So like I literally had a dog, a pitbull, and I took the dog out of a dog taking a shit in depth jam in front of Lee or office.

They ain't saying nothing to me.

Or whatever, Like I'm really running around with a dog from there at fourteen too.

Yes, So here's the crazy chain of events.

So now I got guns and shit in my house or whatever, like I'm wilding. So like one of my people's double cocked the gun while I wasn't there, and the gun went off. And I was living in a town home, so the gun went through my floor and went through a baby's carriage, but thank god, the baby wasn't there. So the police rushed my crib that they had paid for me. I was living in Edgewater, New Jersey or whatever. This word got back to my mom and my dad, and then you know, them being rich people.

I'll never forget. I went back to.

Chicago and my mom hit me like, yo, I want to take you to the mall. I'm like, shit, I'm about to go back to New York. I do want to grab a couple things. Come on, let's go.

So we went.

She getting all these mysterious phone calls and shit, I'm like, what the fuck is going on? She like, I was my new husband. He's gonna meet us at the mall. So we go in the mall, I buy some shit. I come out and it's two Samoan niggas, like six foot niggas at my mom car. And then I'm like what's up and she's like they're like, hey, Chris, these guys are working on my house. And they're like, oh, we hear you do music. Good to meet you. And I'm like, yeah, then my mom.

Is just like Chris, you gotta go to school, and just went and jumped in a car.

Nigga popped the trunk and it was all clothes and shit like that. So now I'm in the parking lot of the mall fighting with these two Samoan niggas. They put me in cuffs, the plastic cuffs, and they put all the shit out my mom trunk and put in a car and they put me in a rental car. So now I'm just riding. Yes it's a Rick Kennedy. Yes I'm riding. I got a record deal, I'm signing to Depth Jam, I'm doing all this shit.

So we driving.

I'm like, all right, bet we in Chicago. Now we downtown Chicago. I'm like, oh, where the fuck were going? They like, we can't tell you nothing, you'll know when you get there. So now we're at Old Hair Airport. I'm like, what the fuck is we doing at the airport? So they holding me as we walked through TA saying it's too Samoan dudes, And it was a black lady she like.

Get your hands off that boy. What you got I'm like, I don't know them. I run away in the airport.

I run to a daddy and my dumb ass, I'm like, man, just take me wherever y'all gonna take me. We get there, We get on the first plane, we go to Vegas.

They give me a note.

The note was from my mom basically saying she signed away all her child parental rights to a concentration camp type shit, and I was going to school or whatever. And from there I ended up in Spokane, Washington. From there, I ended up in Thompson Falls, Montana, and that's how I lost my record deal with DMX. They put me in a boarding school to where you couldn't look at girls, you couldn't have condiments while buying. They paying five thousand

Now.

Me being a delinquent, I acted up there. They sent me to Jamaica to some shit called High Impact, so I had to walk the same school sent you. Your parents They signed the people are just moving you around.

They signed over.

They right, I was being I was acting out in Montana and they sent me to some shit called High Impact in Jamaica. I had to walk one hundred laps with a ten pound brick on my back. So getting back to Thompson Falls, Montana, and I did that, and then my father finally came and got me like nine months later.

I didn't know nine to eleven happened. I didn't know nothing.

You couldn't watch TV, you couldn't read books, you couldn't do it. So you basically just cut off from the world. And that's how I lost my record deal with Dmax.

What's the name of this school. It was called Spring Creek Academy and they.

If you google it right now, like they got shipped with like the people the guards with sexually harassing people. Like they found out that the owner of the shit.

Was a molester.

Like it's like a crazy, crazy storys hitting went through.

Oh they sit there to a boarding school. Yeah, they sit.

And people don't realize that, and not even just black any like rich people, rich people send their kids to boarding school, like.

A boarding school. Yeah, my mama said, you do one more thing.

So what happened that you out your pants can afford to board school.

That's why you didn't go. No, he ain't do that thing or what happened. I think that's what saved the five km.

That's when I got kicked out of school. So when I got finally kicked out, like my father came up to the school, it's like maybe like a month and a half left of school. My father came up to school for like the you know, thirteenth fourteenth time, and the principal looked at my father and said, listen, if you take him home and never bring him back, I'll pass them take him.

He was like me, but he was doing this in a military.

House, my father military trip. What I got torn out of the frame, I shit was different. See I was getting all F's, my whole port car with f when I got these, boy, I was getting Jordan's. I got a C boy, I was getting Jordan's.

That's crazy. But you know, you know what the wild thing about that.

And I was having a conversation with my guy both that produced to show with us. We were talking about that and a lot of times what it is is is curriculums. Right, like you were a talented child, right, that doesn't mean that that fits inside of the frame of the way that our curriculums are set up. They were trying to teach you things that you were never going to use in your life, right because let's let's be honest, most of these things.

Are built on people raising.

Workers use for societies to work, you need workers, so a lot of times they only teach you to be that.

Right.

So when you have this talent, that's why you see so many kids that have become successful say they told me I wasn't gonna never be shit. It's some of you niggas out here lying, some of your niggas lying.

You're teaching, and that you look dumb ass.

But it did happen to a lot of kids though that didn't want to pay attention in there because these things didn't peak their interests.

I'm interested.

So I look at someone like yourself and I see your successes and I'm like, oh, okay, I get it. It's not like, oh, he didn't know it and he's not a smart dude, because you obviously a smart guy.

You know how to run your business.

But these things that they were teaching, and the way that they were teaching you were not advantageous.

To where you were going.

Hell no, I wasn't, and I'm glad I won't remember that point because it's something that happened later in my life when I worked at Atlantic Records that remind me of what you just said or whatever. So I'm gonna keep that in mind when we get to that moment though, for real.

That's all facts right there. So your cops come get you out of border. He saved you. Yeah, wait, but did he sign you know you were going there?

You know I've been so bad, You know how you just so terrible to your parents that your dad.

Might drop Mike and be like, man, you can't even get your mama.

I could do my mama harping on doing this shit, but I ain't put him in a position to where he could throw any more flak back.

I'd already been so bogused. Was like, all right, bet God ahead, you know what I'm saying.

So he came and got me. I found out nine to eleven happened. I found out a Lea passed. I ain't know nothing like I got I lovely. I got a tattoo of Lee on the back of my neck with folk Drake and all stuff or whatever shout to Drake.

But so from there, like my dad was.

Just put me on game, like yo, you know you got cousins that do music too, like Kenny Gambo is your cousin Gamble and Huff.

I'm like, who is that? And then they started.

He started putting on Game and like all the records they had rolled or whatever. So I'm like, damn, that's what's up. And my dad took me back to the city. He invested in me. He helped me getting the studio or whatever, get some studio time. And from there I was like making dope music. And I went and I knew Eve, and then Troy Carter became my manager. Troy and Jay Irvin they would have They had a company called Irving Wonder and then Eve got the TV show

So I'm to LA. Troy paid for my condo or whatever. I moved to LA and then I was out here and I was working with Troy and then the first project they got me was Eve.

I wrote the title track, the hook to the title track on Eve's album Evolution, and I was like, damn, Like I didn't even know what ghostwriting was or writing whatever, but I was just doing anything to get a couple of dollars or to do anything to be in a mix.

We in there. We're working on the album. I remember we doing.

The ship and uh, I'm like, well, shit, what's up? Like, you know, like I wrote the album like it's not to get paid, Like, what's up?

Y'all got some bread for me? He like, nigga? Uh that chain that show payment for the album.

I'm like, but he was my manager and my dog and I love Jerry so much.

As y'all still to see that. I was just like, yeah, you know what, all.

Right, I'm gonna take the chain. I'm gonna ride it out. And this is the funniest part of the story. So we go and the House of Blues still alive and it's still running. And they were managing Jada Kiss at the time too. So I went in there. I got drunk with Jadakiss on Hennessy. I'm loaded or whatever, me and Troy and so you know, you get loaded. So now I'm mad about not having no money, you know what I'm saying.

Like me, y'all know Troy a little too.

Me and Troy got into a fistfight altercation in front of the.

Buck niggas had a lightweight down one.

In front of the House of Blues, like you know where the London is right on that you talking about the only two niggas who had.

So we fought.

He took the chain and the chain popped or whatever, and he took the chain. So now I'm like, damn with a chain of He's like, I'm gonna get it to you whatever, and uh, he ended up giving the chain away. I ain't gonna get into details about that, you know what I'm saying, because that's my dog or whatever. But he gave the chain away, and I was just like damn, Like I just felt so betrayed, Like damn, I wrote this ship. Subsequently, the girl ended up getting dropped, her mom was a movie and all the.

Other stuff happened.

So now I was just back at square one with Troy and Jane seventeen. I like, you still ain't really grown nah at all. So from there, like I'm I'm on hard times, you know what I'm saying. I think Troy and Jake I remember that's when they became like the Remember Vincent Herbert. They did a deal with Vincent Herbert. They had like this fucking office on sun whatever. Yeah blah blah, yeah, yeah, Matthew.

Knows it wasn't. Shout outs to Matthew knows too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, shout outs to Matthew. I like the man. I like, I like how you think too, man.

So that happens, and then I think the timeline from there is that me, Troy, and Jay we end up parking ways, you know what I'm saying, behind that or whatever, or they just got too busy for me, you know what I'm saying. Like, So I was out here and I ended up moving in with my weed man, you know what I'm saying. And my weed man was a club promoted at a club called Privilege. And this is back in the era of t K. Y'all remember when

It and a lot.

My god, that's when LA was really yeah yeah, yeah, Monday Monday ship. So I was doing that. My my we man was a promoter at the club. So he ended up introducing me to DJ Echo and Echo was at power.

One oh six.

And then from there, I remember I did this song called Sexy Lady, and like we didn't have no engineer or none of that ship. We're not just gonna let you just breeze.

Over that record. I thought he was gonna get into it.

He goes into it to take a ship, like that's a mother record. Come on, don't don't play with the record like it's.

Just it's weak. No.

Look, this dude Junior who sings the hook on Sexy was like my brother. His sister was so beautiful. Oh my god, man, I loved his sister. She was one of the baddest chicks ever. But so that's the tidebar. But anyway, I remember recording the record at my engineers at my weed man's house, and we had no engineer, so like I would press three and leave it from the beginning and go run.

Into the booth and then rap my ship you know what I'm saying, then go back do it again. Whatever.

So we flushed the song out and my weed man was the promoter, so we kept going to Privilege, we kept going to TK Shit and Echo would spin my joint. Like I remember, I was going there with a chin chill on board, be hot as hell outside of that La.

Boy, but I was just doing anything to be noticed.

This back in the day, he was a promoter wet had no money, so we would go to routs and buy the bottles before we get to the club. He would sneaking being through the back and then bring him out to us or whatever.

Yeah, like we're doing a vibe.

So the song starts bubbling, and then we created a database of He used to hand the clipboard out at the club and get everybody number and get all body shit or whatever. So from there, Echo was like, this song is kind of blowing up, Like I want to take you to a pole one on six mixer meeting. So I go to Power one oh six. I tell my life story for them niggas. I cried a little bit at the end of the shit or whatever, and

That could be their story that I get a record.

I'll get it to the DJ and I go up. So now I'm just blew up. Sexy Lady was the hottest shit in the streets. So from there, my management now or my business partner now that I work with Billy J who worked with John Monopoly. At the time, we was all kids and shit. He called somebody an epic record looking for somebody else, and I.

Think Dave McPherson and some shit like that. Well, Sony or whoever.

Back in the day was the big dog, and a lady named Katie Katie Welly picked up. She was a Keith Nashally's assistant.

She wasn't she was.

She was like j was a famous one if she was at Famous music when I was at fan Miss Katie is now a Sony. Yeah, Katie a big dog and you don't notice, but Katie was instrumental in clearing some of our records for it that came through Sony, so shout out yeah. So Katie Welly heard the record, caught the record, it was already blowing up, and she introduced Billy to Keith and then I did a showcase and Keith came, and from there they gave me a label deal. Like yeah, shit, he'll take it. You know,

The hook though, you know what I'm saying.

You was a nigga singing and you my brother, So you know how the labels when you write the song about the system.

Hell no, nigga, you said you said something about it. He said something about I'm like yo.

His sister was Dayton t R at the time, Jason Jason josh Yesh.

We knew his interview was.

So from there that happens and we get the deal. Junior gets the big head. So Junior is supposed to be signing my company. They went back door at me Epic and signed Junior to his own deal. So I'm like, we had this demo together and all the other shit. They wanted the songs. I'm like, I'm not giving a nigga no song. Y'a got to give me a quarter million dollars just to walk in the studio with this nigga.

So they never did it.

They sent him on a world tour and then they ended up dropping the nigga or whatever off of shit. And then from there was one of them moments I put out that record on the EP, and this is when ray J was just on fire, like he was like what like I was. It's brandy brother, he knocking everything down like he was the guide in me.

So I'm like, I want ray J on my EP.

So my manager finds ray Jo, who still works with ray J and they developed the Scootie bike and all that shit together. That's further down the line or whatever. So ray come to the studio. You're like, yeah, you know, no, you like to sexy his nigga in.

A game right now? I'm like, what, Like he like, you know you got the sexy Lady.

I got this record I want you to hear though it's called Sexy can I.

I'm like, I'm good off that.

Like I already had the song of business with the girl cash or singing I'm like, I'm coming with that nixt I know what this is, and he's like, nah.

It's gonna be big for us. Bro.

So he did his record on my shit. He left somehow. I was just like no, like I was on fire. I was like, I had the number one regular country. I'm like, I'll get to that shit. I ain't gonna do that shit. I want to go with what my plan is. From there, he got it to Charlie Walk because ray J subsequently did a deal with Cotch Records, and if you remember, Cotch d in Shadow were working all the Urban Records as everybody everybody. So from there, Charlie Walk calls me to New York, summons me to

I go in there. God bless me, Charlie. I love you. Man.

Charlie had to be on some coke or some shit like that or whatever, like wilding out. The nigga was on top of his piano dancing to Sexy Ken I like the in the Epic Records office. He's dancing on top of the piano. My brother like dancing. He like it's gonna be the biggest record of your fucking career.

I'm like what. I'm like, what's the record you turned out? Yeah? I'm like, bro, because ray J gave it the cock.

So now they thinking like they're gonna backdoor or whatever. So I'm like, bro, I'm gonna be the sexiest nigga in America from Sexy Lady the Sexy Ken I am my.

Right said, fred is my album name. I'm too sexy now.

Nigga like, how am I going from Sexy Lady to Sexy Kenna? And then Charlie was like, man, what is gonna take for you to do this song? It's gonna be the biggest record of your career.

I said, you gotta buy me an epic record. Shame He like that's all. Like you're in this fucking jewelry. Man, I love it. I love y'all know you dude, you know I love it.

So look the nigga gets off the piano and then he goes and I'm like, yo, Jason and Beverly Hills is my jeweler.

You gotta get me the chain.

He called Jason right there, probably came out my budget or whatever, and they caught me the chain on the spot. So now I'm like, man, they put me in a corner. They to pay for the chain. So from there I go to Miami and from like literally the della no to what willis? I wrote my verses and and and finished the song in between writing it from there, so we do that. I do my verses at Circle House Studio and then the cookies Man cookies.

In order to get there. You know, they got mango trees in the back.

So at that point, and this is a crazy time when I did the record, like this.

Is like.

My set, Like I was introduced to ecstasy from like IRV Godi and Jo.

Rule when they had the murder.

Man and with the whole notherd this nigga just hit the last left turn.

I was introduced.

So look when I did my verses for that, I met Pleasure p for the first time or whatever circle House Studio, and Pleasure was like, hey, so you want one of these he gave.

Me, He gave me some or whatever.

So I oh, I did my verses for a little song, and I remember Pitt Bull was there and I'm like, bro, you want to ecstasy because I'm so geeked up off.

He's like, no, poppy. I'm from Miami. If I'm gonna get to it, I'm gonna get to it.

I'm not gonna play with it. That's just reminded me of mother fucking scar Face dancing in the club. So you know, you, buddy bok, he wasn't gonna play with it. So I did my bees and I never forget we went. We flew from their circle house. We have been back to l A. So not the record done.

We're here in l A.

And uh, they like, Ray wants to finish the song with you. So I'm like, alright, bet so this like in between I mean him giving me the song or whatever. Now he's did his deal with Vivid, you know what I'm saying, Like it's.

Through the roof and the state. Now now it's a thing. So so it's all at the same time.

Yeah, it's all in the same So before he had the song, kind of before he the tape came, it became a thing when he did his deal and got his bag from it. So now you know, we at Encore. You know he's pulling up Lamborghini. Ray, you know, he in his bag or whatever. So I'll never forget it. We get in there and then you're like, yo, my brother, I'm with cash or the girl that saying the hook on the bene she was like my best friend at

To disrepect your girl.

And he just threw out a bunch of vivid DVDs or porn movies on it on account and I'm.

Like, bro, this's my best friend. You could play that. So we in encore he put the porno on the TV or whatever. Mind you.

Tierra Mariaz his girlfriend too, So Tierra Maria is with him while we're doing all this at Arencore. So okay, we finished this song and I'll never forget he was doing. He got a run at the end where he's like getting in Jesus Jansen gun. But he was in there like I gotta give him my Stevie.

I got to hit my Stevie.

And like t Air Marie was clowning him so bad while we was doing this shit.

It was the most hilarious shit. So we finished the song and then next thing I know, they like this shit is about to be the biggest song with your career. It's a hit. Blah blah.

Because when I did this song, like Ray would go for four bars and I say nothing, Then like a minute later he would pop back in with four more bars and then it'd be blank again. So I kind of like arranged his part and wrote my part and came up with other parts for us to do together on the song.

So that's how that went.

From there. We go to Miami shoot the video. So we shooting the first shot of the video, me and him and Lamborghini. I'm smoking a blunt. It's police around us there to secure us in Miami for the shoot.

I'm smoking this down to a roach.

I'll throw it out the Lamborghini before the first take of the video. The police that's securing us come pick the roach up off the ground smelling and pulled me off the lamborghin me and locked my.

Ass up right there on the spot. On God, y'all hired them to a rest. You pretty nigga took me to jail. Jack, I'm not even talking about like it wasn't nothing like about nigga. Miami jail, Miami jail.

Listen, there I had to build a couple of homies out y'all know who y'all are. Cost me ten thousand dollars one weekend, you know. But I ain't gonna never leave my niggas in Miami jail for it to be that hot outside in jail in Miami. Nigga tried to ask one of the Hommy told me when they got out, we got the niggas out like five six in the morning. He said, you know, nigga tried to ask me for my shirt. Bro, I said, did you give me your shirt?

Hell no, I ain't giving my telling what nigga asks you for. The next nigga, get your shirt up off. Yeah. Yeah, So I know about all that in there.

So I'm in jail and nigger to add to the story, So this is around the time, you know Ray J and Shaquille O'Neil our apartments on the Sexy ken I song and money Mark or whatever what's the nigga that beat used to be with shaq whatever like man his name mark and long story short, this is when Shaquille was on his like sheriff type ship.

He had just.

Became like a cop. So the nigga Shaquille came and bailt me out of jail, like ten hours later or whatever. He got back jail. Yeah, in Miami, Miami. He was a sheriff in Miami.

I mean Hember exactly.

So he came and got me out of jail. I think I spent like ten hours in jail. I get there's nighttime. We shoot the end of the video. You wouldn't even know whatever, Like it never happened to get right back to shooting video.

He's still shooting the video in jail. We just gotta keep going. The homie gonna be good. He's just he's just downright, but he's gonna be good, trust me to hold his way around.

Was the exact vibe that he was on.

And when I got back ship, he was already super geeked up on a on a bean, on his ecstasy or whatever, and then gave me an ecstasy. I popped that ship right right do. I'm going to watch this video listen, man.

I gotta go. I gotta go rewind now back into those times.

I just think about all of the clubs, all of the move arounds.

That I was a part. I never had none of those ecstasy in my system. I mean the VALENTINEO fuck around. Extasy is amazing.

Ecstasy was. Ecstasy was amazing. Ectasy was not today. I don't pop pills, I don't do dress. But in that time, what it was, the it was, the pure it was. It wasn't stepped on that ship was beautiful. I used to wake up.

Like nigga because you know, like ecstasy kind of gave you the bubble gus, you gotta go to the bathroom. I don't know.

I used to wake up at my career nigga and pop an ecstasy Nigga, like upon the wake up take off. Then you know what I'm saying, You use the bathroom shower so you fresh for the day. I'm be on ecstasy nigga at nine a m.

And Wow I was. I was wow. I was a social you know what I'm saying, Like, where are we going? Oh? Shoot, when we get there, pop up, We're gonna be there for two three. I was turning up that That was me.

You know, I come from the drug dealers, you know, so I you know my experience of it in my outlet. You've never done ecstasy, I've never done anything. It's try shrooms like the little chocolate microdo. It's close to it, without the without the hangover, without the bullshit that coming next day. You microdos a little bit, you'll be a vibe. You will be a vibe. You think you popping that management ship. Now you think you're talking tell the bar that.

Like and he already called me with fifteen ideas already have to bro over.

I appreciate you know what I mean, what you're trying to do.

I ain't.

Yeah, what's beautiful back in the day. So we do that, all right? So what happened?

So we do that with video, finish the video, and.

Then ship they put that sexy canal and I ain't gonna lie that ship like a rocket ship rocket. I never expected it to be that. Never, because you got to think nigga. They had put like styles P and other niggas before they put me on the record, and then they was like, visually, this don't match up styles P, Like was super hard.

You know what I'm saying, right, So.

They went and came and got me, and man, that shit took off like a rocket. Next thing I know, me and raj a like back to back tour bus. This nigga on the road promoting Sexy Cannot which I've seen some of the craziest ship on the road with ray J. Shot out to him and his relationship or whatever now and him and Princess, I have none but respect. But y'all gonna get these stories from that era. It's different. It is what it is. I'm gonna tell Sorry, I'm gonna tell the story.

Listen, listen.

All roads in the music business, the fuck the music business, all roads and entertainment to somehow, all roads, somehow that nigga all rolls like ray J raisia fucking urban legend nigga. Ray J took Whitney Houston a compound with us and there you have it.

I'll never forget this shit ever.

Like Whitney, and this was my first time meet and Whitney she was a gangst like she was one of them ones, like for real, Like we in there, like she's smoking us cigarettes, chain smoking cigarettes.

Vibe. Man. We had compound. We in the back waiting.

She like, man, send one the motherfuckers in there, go get us some patrol. They came out with the gallon of patron for us. Me and Whitney throwing back patrol shots out the Gallon together.

From that night we went in there.

She came in the club while we performed Sexy Kenna. She was standing in the club with us as a picture on my Instagram and me her Ray J from that night, Nigga walking in compound like no cop, let's take this shot, Let's take this rest in peace, Whitney to good.

Times, man to ray So you have your run right, you moving as young ber, you know what I mean.

It's you know, you're out here making your records. You're getting that side of the business. You're getting that side of the paper and that money. And then what what was what was the moment for you where you were like I gotta make a shit. So look I went and like I moved to my I was living in a big ass crib out here, like off of Topanga or whatever. And I had a bunch of niggas living with me, and I looked at my bills. I'm like, damn, I'm like spending like fifty five thousand illars a month.

So I moved to Miami and well.

Actually I was presented with an opportunity a guy named Brian McKinney, who played for the Minnesota Vikings at the time.

Yeah, Brian been instrumental in a lot of cool music.

Shit man, Yeah, So Brian was like, look, I'm starting my label.

I believe in you.

I know you write and produce and you do good records or whatever. I want you to help me with my label whatever, and I'm gonna move you to Miami. And shit, you ain't got to worry about nothing. I got a studio in my house. And at this point Briant was the god.

Like I'm talking about, he blew. He blew a bag.

Niggas don't understand what the lineman's make. Bro, the NFA they make the real bag.

Bro. He the blind Side. They made movies about them. He's a hundred plus to the good. Bro. He was getting to the bag.

I've never so from there, he moved me to Miami, and I'll never forget when I get to Miami. Now it's the w Hotel Brickle or whatever. But in the back they got the living, the house and the residential shit. Nigga pay my whole rent for a year. I think my rent was like eight thousand dollars. He came in and paid it in one wap for twelve months like shit.

So I ain't had no bills no more. And I moved to Miami and I dropped a hunting on him. Yeah, he take this, And I was just moving around with that nigga. Boy.

That nigga was a party animal, man, I'm talking about. He's an animal man. I lived the life of all lives with him. Like I remember, we came out here for bet Awards, and this nigga must have flew every little dirty lady from King of Diamonds with him to even the fat girls.

Came every nice clean, nice clean.

Me and Tanks played basketball at the King of played basketball?

Did you get a haircut at the King of y'all? You have played volleyball, y'all?

Niggas y'all was before me, y'all there before me, y'all seen it like y'all seen till seven am.

And we got there at six fifteen. We spent the full taker.

Brian flew like thirty women from King of Diamonds to l A for BT Awards, and like we were all staying at the mandri Onga, like twenty hotel rooms. Ohlah blah, and I ain't know, like it was crazy because like I was spending my own money on drinks, like you know, I had girls coming through and I walked in one of the strippers room. These ladies had room service power to the floor.

I'm like, how y'all buying all this? Like his credit card is down.

At the incidentals, I said, holy ship, I caught.

Y'all come to my yard. Man scot ball in my yard. I was balling out of control.

So Brian Man he came in, really was like an angel for me at that time because I was still trying to figure it out. So from there trying to figure it out, I'm like, uh, fuck it, I'm moved to Atlanta. I moved to Atlanta, and I realized how clicky it was in Atlanta, like because it would be like Polo and them over there, akon and booing them over here, but everybody had their own little ship, so I couldn't really get into the.

Mixed team Paine over here or whatever.

And DJ Infamous like I go and I Well, first happened was I signed producers and then we did this record by this guy. It was kind of like a one hit one day. It was like called Snapbacks and Tattoos snap Back.

We did the song.

Yeah, that was like one of my first producers.

Like Joints or whatever.

Yeah, I did that record, shout out to Tricky shot a Coop. And then from there I did my idea publishing deal with my producer with Ludacris, with Shaka and Jeff. And the funny thing is because Sean Formoso and Tone Day were the little guys under Shaka and Jeff who now run lvr N or whatever. They was under them, So like I was able, they were young, I was young.

Juicy J and Uh Young Jeezy.

So this around the time or whatever, They're like, niggas weren't fucking with me, Like this be a honey you know what I'm saying. I was like, I had a bad stigma on me, but I was infamous, was looking out for.

Me, and Jeezy was on fire. So we shooting a video and ship.

But Jeez ain't want to let me in none of his shots or whatever because he ain't want to be to be around him or nothing like that or whatever. So you know, I got lit on the set. They like action, Well I go running. Jez already knew what this nigga did, ran in his She was like, man, I go quick crazy. This was like, bro, you gotta go. You already did your part. I did my parts already. I was just leaking around. Yeah, I was there from the daytime. Now you know Jeezy to start, so we

It's my song.

From there, that was like the first time I ever said hitmaker, and that was just like it didn't happen, like I'm hit maker, Like you know what I'm saying. That's why I'd be weird when people be like.

Well, Burg hit maker, what I call nigga, I'm still Burg.

I'm still younger unless I do a face off nigga, I'm still young Berg.

I can call me whatever you want, nigga. You know what I'm saying.

Okay, you already got check calling me whatever, nigga whatever. So from there, I do that that record, and then I'm in it. I'm in Atlanta and I had a bunch of demos that I had from Miami and like, I'm like, damn, how do I do this? And fucking Vincent Herbert Cousin ends up getting contact with me. I sent him a record, got to Tamar and it got to Vince, and Vince was like, man, I want to bring you here to La to work on this TAMARW album.

And they flew me out first class.

I'm like, oh shout, I'm back first class because you know, a nigga go down and coach. You know what I'm saying, Like when this is the line like cut off, you know you're back in the humble beginning. Flew me first class, put me at the Sophie tail before yourself. I still be trying to fly coach.

He won't let me. Man my ass and touched the coach.

Seaton like and listen, I don't give a fuck I do because you see where the thing is. You about to put out your single? You will care because then catch you with your mouth opening.

I won't a coach or whatever like.

This because they won't listen, because they won't catch me on my mouth open because no, no, no, no, no, no no no no, listen, listen.

He takes a cover.

I got a cover he got from Delta, but I literally put nigga.

I put the cover on.

If you see a white it's probably me.

And like, I don't see why don't you know the tricks? Huh? So you how I do nigga? I do that in first class. I'll do that when he's spending his money.

You coach, He's like, man, I ain't got time for this ship, but I promise you when we send that rider to the promoter.

I'm judging you.

I'm judging you because I judge the women that they get flyouts based off that. Like if you fly, if you fly first class when you book in your own flight, I'm gonna fly your first class if you.

Fly coach when you book your own fight. But we're working either way.

Yeah, I mean maybe they're working too, of course, but you know what I mean. But when we're working and it's a part of the you know, it's a part of the rider.

It is what it is. But the truth of the matter is.

Even when I fly myself first class, right for me, it doesn't I mean, it's just me.

They don't really matter.

I have bad luck with and I don't care about perception.

I had bad luck with. I'm the Valentine.

I had bad luck as a youngster though, because it's a different type of hurt and feeling that you got when you get on a plane and like.

An Angela Simmons and.

Fast city and you young, you gotta walk back and then you gotta walk back like hey, everybody, everybody got.

They everybody got it.

I'll say hello. I might even stop talking to him for a minute. I see y'all on the plane land.

Man, Yeah, everybody got the bow. Wow. Fucked that up for me. I ain't flying coach. And now my nig give that's my dog, you know. Now, my dog, Me and Bow had dark days.

Or whatever back in the day, just over whatever stuff and women and stuff like that. But man, that's my dog. Now, but I'm not going to coach. I don't get the bag has to be Well, if the bag is that big, then why would I be flying coach Anyway. I was about to say, like, if it's a million dollars somewhere, that's like, yo, you you have no choice but to get on it.

I'm out coach me.

You know what I'm saying, masked up whatever, But my ass saying touch no coach.

Sheating seven years for real, for real?

I respect and it's never going back. Okay, maker, no coach. So you said hit maker in that song. That was the first time you said hitmaker. Why did it become a thing or how did it become a thing?

Uh? Ship, I don't know. It just happened organically.

I wish I could really say, like I was like, yo, I'm I'm gonna be hit maker or that's what I just said. It came out here to La was up at the Sophie Tail working on Tamar Braxton Love and War albums. So like the song that they wanted. When I get to the studio, I owed the studio some money in Miami so they wouldn't relinquish the file for

I didn't buy that. I'd have been coaching. I was frying myself. So we do that.

We get out there and Tamar you know now, you know what I'm saying. Me and Tamar are super cool. We in a good space or whatever. But she was in she was in her bag. This when Tamar and Vince had that TV show like they were and resting piece of Lashan Dan. It was, you know what I'm saying, when he was the go to guy. He was in there, you know what I'm saying. So from there, I'm like, I ain't got that song, but I got another song

We won't go and crack jokes. We're gonna do what we do.

But we also want this ship to be informative, right, And I think what happens in this business is people always look at things as.

Somebody fucked me out, and I know he does, and I do.

I look at things as someone gave you an opportunity. Now if you don't want that, unless they put a gun in your head and made you sign something, right, if you signed it on your.

Own, you know what I'm saying, and.

On ecstasy like you, guys, But you know what I'm saying, But you can't sign deals on extity. You can ship because everything is good on ecstasy.

So you know what I'm saying, kid, Yeah, we can do.

Like you said later, you signed that, you signed that deal. If we can find my man a lot, that would be amazing.

Guys, somebody you know what I mean.

You go ahead, right, but yeah, no, so you know you signing that deal led to these other opportunities in life that you may have not got. You may have not gotten if you don't sign this thirteen thousand dollars deal. See, but that's the business man, and you being a manager and being rich, like writing our concept like until you make it out and get some money, they fucked you.

And from there I'll never forget.

Damn it's getting to it a good spot or whatever, because I love your story about the love and hip hop people that I did the show with on season one, about the monies and the dog food or whatever. So long story short, Hazel e the girl Hazel, which we all knew, you know what I'm saying from just being around.

Yeah, of course she was. I believe it.

Yeah, shout out the Echo and all them. I remember they was moving heavily and doing that.

So Hazel, he just approached me like, man, I'm doing love and hip hop. Fuck this shit.

We're gonna do a love and hip hop Hollywood. We're gonna put everybody on it, all the people that So I was.

Like, shut, I'm down.

Should I had nothing to lose, you know what I'm saying. Like I was working with Puff at.

That time to deal with Mike Heron.

I'm at apg On Kowanga every day, you know what I'm saying, working making my rounds, doing all this other stuff. So I was just like, fuck it, let's do it. From there, it came reality and then ship. At the time, I didn't know what was going on.

So the lies.

I gotta clear this up because I never really said all this shit. So we do love and hip hop. I wasn't fucking Hazel we or dating Hazel Wee or nothing like that.

Whatever.

She was just Hazel we Like everybody know Hazel from being Hollywood.

She's my nigga. Like we was really.

Homies, always supposed together.

I'll get to that.

So from there we get to the show. And now they got like the cast meeting or whatever. So now a cast meet and I'm like, holy shit, these are all people I know. Then it was like, oh shit, my ex girlfriends here. So I don't mean no disrespect. They probably gonna go viral with us, and I mean it's an off air. I'm not gonna say nothing both us. So Joy, who's Bow baby Mama or whatever.

Future.

She was like one of my ex girlfriends from back in the day or whatever. So she was on the show like they had casting her for the show or whatever.

So I'm like, oh, it's lit.

So me and her end up rekindling after we see each other at the meeting, then we now we were dating. We back into the vibe, we back into the mix or whatever. So when we first started shooting the show, it was me and Joy. Joy was my girlfriend, but as you know, a reality TV because joys on the show.

She was on the show filming and the whole thing.

Nigga and I remember your name used to be thrown around the heaviest because they were like yo, Tank and Zina is gonna do the show and this that and the third this season one.

Like what they called us first, They called us to build the cast.

So we were the first. We were the first couple called to do loving Him.

And we So so we put the playlist together, the original playlist, and me and him got to talking, and I got to talking with Atlantic and they were like, we get it, but you don't need this right now. This is a different kind of energy that and.

I was like, no, it's twenty fourteen too.

And so like it didn't happen right, And so for me, you know, I was still doing still doing tank, you know at the time, for my wife, we were trying to build a platform for her, so it's gonna be perfect for her. So in me pulling out, you know, they pulled the plug on her, but they took everything else that we had already built.

But that.

TV and for that ultimately, I've never had the conversation either about that because you know, we we.

Don't usually go.

I'm glad you got him because because in that situation, I just called it for me, I saw the future for him, right, because this at this point in that year, we're rebuilding, right, and what I understand from what we were trying to build right where everybody's everybody's path is different, but from what we were trying to build, it didn't align. It just didn't align to what we where we were going, right. And you know, and this is a part of having

And then you have me saying, nah, cham and I guarantee.

I know I'm wouna carry myself on this shit. Listen, I know I know how to carry myself.

Right. We may know how to carry, but we know how this show goes.

And I've been in La for I don't know how many years they sent you. Man, they start to digging and pulling up skeletons out of that La dirt, you never know where that's gonna go.

So and Ray put me on right once I've seen Ray was involved. And Ray started calling me or whatever. He's like, think it, it's gonna be ten seasons. We're gonna milk the ship.

We back, we gonna.

Sexy cannot part to him, I'm like, man, you know you start thinking like so.

We do the show.

Me and Joy are like boyfriend and girlfriend on the show, and like they wanted me to do like some some shit that I wasn't really comfortable with, Like they wanted us to be kissing and this that. But this is my first time being in front of the TV show camera, so I didn't know what was going on or whatever. It's like, in hindsight, I should have been tongue kissing with the people that they put in front of me. Post that, you know, what I'm saying. So I was

So Joy, I was.

Dating one girl, and then Masika was like from Chicago. She was like a best friend of me. She's like my drinking partner. We hang out, we kicking. We never had no sexual relationship. We never crossed the line on nothing. You know how, you might got a girl that's just like my nigga, Like yo, you you know how to have fun and pretty girls like being with you or being around you.

So this is a good look for me.

So I went to Masika's birthday and then I went to Puffs to do it, to Miami to Puff's house to do the stuff, and me and Joy fell out in the midst of that, so we never spoke again.

The relationship was over. I get back. They picked me up from the airport, you know, because they don't. They didn't.

They don't allow you dry your own transportation. They don't know you get your own uber. They come pick you up in a fucking mini van with a bottle of some rocking or whatever and just start feeding you liquor. So they and they tell me my dress code. They like, yo, bird, come in shorts, T shirt. So I'm thinking, I'm gonna go play basketball with like Soldier Boy and Little Fears and O Mariana some shit. They pull up the Hazel house, so I'm like, what the fuck? Don't like, Yeah, they

That and time.

I'm like, what, So I even I even talked to Joy yet, I even I ain't even spoke to Joy. I just had a girlfriend four days ago. I ain't I broke up with my girlfriend.

I don't know nothing.

So now I'm like a yo, fam, y'all finna try and have me looking crazy like that, like I'm dating a girl on the show.

And y'all drum I don't.

So I'm like, fuck this show, I ain't doing this scene or whatever. So we're sitting outside shit and fucking Mona just appears out of nowhere like Khuella Deville.

Like, I'm bag you make Stevie Jib loving it.

Yo, I'm talking about that Haitian mother fucking so she like, you're my Stevie j Love and hip hop Hollywood. This show is gonna be based around your interactions.

It's good.

I'm like, no, fuck that, y'all trying to have me look like I'm two timing my girl on the show, Like I ain't even spoke to her. They like, look, she like, look, nigga, we fire Joy. She's not on the show no more. I'm like what, Like, yeah, she's fired.

She's no longer on the show, and I can't call Shorty because we ain't on.

Yeah, So I'm like, you want me to go in there and be myself, like just be me, and they like, yeah, just go in there and do it however you feel just do it.

So I go in there and they got her capped up.

You know what I'm saying. She's in a robe and lingerie neglige a or whatever, and like, granted, I'm gonna be clear on this because I know it's gonna go viral, and you know, she might have something to say or a buddle about this. Whatever I had slept with Hazel

Hell no, like we ain't did this.

And then ship I kind of dogged on her, you know what I'm saying, Like, and I left the scene and they're like this is amazing, this is great. Yeah, And I'm like, what make good this girl crying inside throwing shit? Inside her career right now, like now, granted speaking now that I know in hindsight, she might have been putting on for the camera too.

You know what I'm saying.

You know, because if you don't, you get mixed off the show. And this is what I didn't know, this is what I found out later. If you're not in the episode, no, so you can shoot three and scenes if you won't, if your content not good and you don't make that screen, you're gonna get paid. So as much as you went to Zara and march your little boys whatever, like shut off the Hey, you don't get your money back from Zara, bro, I'm about I was right down.

I was in Zara head to toe. I was Ora's first man, kist. I was. I want to always pay for my first gass fight. But you won't catch me and coach with no you hear that, bro? They wouldn't getting my Zara money back.

So it was important back there too, Like it's all Richard Mills and big Cha boat taking right now.

That was important to.

Take only makes that color bring, right, everybody don't make that color. Brother.

You gotta coordinate, you gotta coordinator.

Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, you got a mush your belt on or nothing. So you're right, you know yo, that shit Yo. So I'm doing all my czar and.

Shit and uh doing that. We're shooting the show or whatever, and it's not going the way I would like it to go, you know what I'm saying. But now, once you're in the show and you're in the matrix of the show, then you really become that.

You know what I'm saying.

That's why I feel like I send my condolence is not not not feel bad, but like I feel how every person that's ever been on that franchise whatever feels if they don't make it out of the franchise, you know what I'm saying, because it's like your life is encompassed with that shit. Now, so whatever we do that I do love and hip hop. Then like Mona like approaches me and is.

Like, beg, would you be down to kiss Mesika on TV?

I'm like, yeah, y'all got me with this whole other story or whatever with somebody this two story later bad looking and shit, I kissed on TV, and shit it evolved into something else, you know what I'm saying.

And now me and her was a thing on the TV.

Show, so long, story shows a bunch of bullshit on the TV show and it ended, and then they tried to like murder me like Mona and them tried.

To like paint me in such a bad way. It was just like damn.

And like I was like, damn, I'm doing a TV show cause I'm working with puff or whatever. And then missed me doing a TV show Like how you said good investments and niggas gave you opportunity. I was in APG and I did a hook to a fucking popping oak beat and I named the song Nicki and hit mak and I'm like, man, Nicki Minaj is gonna work with me. I'm about to work with Nicki Minaj. Watch this shit bruh. And then I go see sounds at Glenwood Studio randomly he was working with Esther Dean and

I just seen Nicki Minaj. She in the same studio.

I did the song like a day before. I'm like, what, go tell all? I'm in him to tell her that brought me in the studio to meet Nicki Minaj. I pressed play on a whole bunch of shit. Like literally, she took me under her wing like this, like and never let me.

Seeing it from the outside, I'm like.

Yeah, like, what the fuck is young bird I'm talking about? She had me like this and was just like, my studio is your studio. If I'm not here, take over, do what it is. So you know, I'm flossing it out to the max nigga. I'm like, shout out to Nikki, shout and shout out to people who give opportunities.

Nigga was because everybody don't cause niggas wasn't. But you what's the crazy? I never said this story too, bro.

Well, after I played my songs for Nikki or whatever.

And she was feeling me and like she was like, yo, this hard.

She was like this before like she was. She was like, I ain't gonna lie. I've been fucking with you since this and double clicked on her laptop and took the aux nigga and.

It was give me the business. I was like, oh shit, but it fucked.

Me up because I was famous before Nicki Mina, so like at that point, like you don't even think.

About that, you know what I'm saying. It didn't even hit me.

All together, Like damn, I was really young berg and had that song before Nicki blew up, so that shit was like crazy, and I'm like, damn, I'm doing love and hip hop.

I can say Nicki Minaj like, so they was.

Nicky was like, oh yeah, you drop my name like we were doing great work. I probably did like five records on an album or something like that. But I was there through the whole process, through the pink print and shit. From there, I leave the show and it's dark again. I'm like, damn, Like I got nick I got my shit going on, but damn, so I got this big ass house in Chatsworth, like and I kind of like psyched myself out. Like I had a little money, you know what I'm saying. I ain't had no big

It's motivation because I gotta pay.

These motherfucking bills, so I gotta work my ass off. I gotta get these placements, and I use it in motivation and that time, we was in my man. I had a bunch of boyshit furniture. I was living like a nigga, just girls everywhere. Seven thousand square for a house, just the bedrooms furnished for the most part in TV's and a couch, but it wasn't fully decked.

Ore like how it was supposed to be.

And I created a makeshift studio in my basement and I had my engineer being with me and he's now I don't know who engineering.

Now, but that was my guy.

And Jeremiah came to my crib and he was like, bro, let's work.

So we started working.

We in our vibe or whatever we do, like eight songs, and I had a girl with me and he had some company with him too.

So now it's winding. Now they're like two thirty.

I'm like, hey, faml uh shit, let's wrap this shit up, you know what I'm saying, Ready to take it upstairs.

He's like, no, I got one more in me.

I'm like, man, come on, bruh, man, I ain't trying to do it like bro, trust me, I got one more.

He win the booth. I put the beat up.

He went the booth and said letstny took an l butson that I bounced back, wake up in morning, man, and now I couched. I was like, okay, it's hard. I went, I took the ship to Big Sean and it became Big Sean bounced back, and Big Sean was like, man, you know, I love this record, like shout to Metro Booming. He co produced on record Shouts to Smash David. So he's like, I love this record. You know, I don't know what it's gonna be, but man, maybe we should just throw it out there and just see it.

Like, I don't give a fuck. Nigga.

He like, hey, bro, do you have a tag or anything you want to put on the song? I'm like, after all these people been taking it off, taking it off.

He asked you about you at his house. He like, you got a tag?

Bro?

Like yeah, I went and said my tag. Nigga.

That ship you put that ship out of shit took off like a rocket, nigga. Shit like seven times platinum now, Nigga. His biggest performing song stent by himself as a solo artist on High one hundred That shit and like number two. She had the super Bowl commercials. The ship had everything hell yeah, ship and that ship that and that was the start of it, and I'm like, oh, we rolling then from there. Jay Grant, who works for RCA, super influential.

He was like one of the an.

Rs that was really like an an R, real nigga to us, Like boy, he would rent out Paramount for us and fucking buys all the catsuya we wanted with the label credit card nigga and fucking.

Use use that, motherfucknigg all the liquor.

And then that's how Chris Brown Party happens, and then all this other stuff and now I'm running them up, getting a couple of placements, and Ryan Press has always been like a mentor to me, and I'm like, man, I ain't gonna lie. I went on Breakfast Club after Big Sean bounced back and Chris Brown.

Party, and I had a bunch of players.

I probably had like fifty placements now, so I'm popping my ship on Breakfast Club and I'm like, man, but y'all really don't realize I'm really about to be one of the biggest.

Executives in this game. Nigga nigga.

Motherfucking these labels offering me jobs right now to be an RS line, like a motherfucker like that right now, Nigga, I'm about to be one of the biggest an rs in this game.

Watch this shit. Lied from there. Ryan was like, I've had a conversation. Ryan. He like, you want to meet Craig and Julie? Like yeah, ship, hell yeah, nigga. After I seen you at the b and my awards. Damn there around that time.

They took me to meet Craig and Julie and I went in there and told the speech and which I still stand on to this day. There's nobody that's gonna be influential. I'm really cut from that cloth. I'm cut from that IRV Gotti. I'm cut from that motherfucking jay Z. I'm cut from that the big producer that works with the artist cloth. You can't tell me nothing about I

That's when it started cracking.

Out that I don't that for me, that wasn't the most impressive part right, because I know you can.

I know you can make that. Actually give me yeah.

Talking about it, but you you deserved it.

In fact, you wouldn't get that.

My question is like guys locking to it was zone and going to run and find a thing that they are able to milk for a very long time. And you found a niche in grabbing old records and reproducing them and making them brand new smash records.

You know what I'm saying. It's a very important component to that.

This guy worked directly with the guy who did it before.

Yeah, Puff Puff Daddy, the king of what?

So what made you say this is gonna be my formula and nobody's gonna beat me?

You know what?

It was a moment for me. I ain't never gonna forget this shit. It fucked me up because Nelly had hot in here, right and it was going crazy.

I'm like, damn this shit crazy.

I'm like for real crazy like and I've been a student of the game. I know all the producers, I know Puff You know what I'm saying, Like, damn niggas really taking this sound and bringing it back and doing all this other shit or whatever and blah blah blah, Once I found out that Nelly Hot in Here was Chuck Berry, Chuck Chuck Brown, Yeah, shout out to the DMV bro, I was like, oh fuck, no, hell no, I'm bringing back the first time you hear you think

And I guarantee they won't unless they from there. Yeah. So then I was like, oh shit.

I started looking at like for real whole little catalog and I'm like, damn, he's just making original beats and just some of the beats on original either too. Like he's taking this ship like homeboy I came to party.

That's a splip.

Even the nigga with his manager listen and label the jam Steel Boss and showing your rocks.

Nigga, that's an old rap record. Wow. Yeah I didn't know, yes, Bro. So I'm like, oh, ship, this nigga's been doing it. But he finessed it.

His way, and I'm like, oh, that's the puff way. And I'm like, oh, I'm gonna do it my way and just do everything that I grew up on one O six and park on or whatever and all the records that I love.

I'm just gonna flip on my on my own. How did you know it was time? Right? Because like because it's a sweet spot.

There used to be a thing where like a certain amount of time used to have to elapse on a record for it to be a classic or even a certain amount of success.

You're not. You're not flipping all platinum records.

You flipping just whatever got that essence to it, that you with the feel to it.

That's what I'm humbly. I want to say this because I didn't know at first, but it was just like, man, like a producer and a top tier producer. I was like, man, it's about the work, it's about all this, which it really is, but they really paying you for your taste level, for the taste of music what you got. Expound on that because as a producer, and this is this is something that gets.

Very very cloudy in this business. The producer.

Right, we have beat makers, we have producers, we have vocal producers, we have finishers, right, we have all these different things that.

Can tank to do it all. I mean, yeah, he would he would pretty much form the record. It would pretty much say that I ain't.

Helped him with his life, but you know that is what it is, because I love the nigga. Man.

You know what I mean kids is my guy kids, my kids, this guy kids. Like you know, I'm sitting there watching the nigga say, man, ain't getting checked my man by myself? Right.

But I asked you this because you're you're you're fully immersed in it, right, And.

I know you don't champion yourself as like I make beats. You're not that guy. That's not who you say you are.

I remember, man, I was dating a girl years ago, and and and I kind of moved into the you know, the beat making side of like buying the NPC into her. And she was like, and I had I had a condo. I bought my first condo. Man, you know what too big with you know, so you can hear everything in that motherfucker.

And I would have the headphones on it.

She would wake up in the morning be like, so, how did like the BENK thing thinking go last night? Oh?

Sh like the who right? But that's all that's all she could hear though.

It was like, right, right, whatever, right, But I'm asking that though, how do you as a producer, how do you explain it to you know, and how do you separate or do you even separate even getting that conversation because a lot of youngins is like I produced it. I'm gonna had a conversation for real, for because this is a good platform and it's all with creators here talking about it. So look, everybody produces an my own ways, it's not really many. It's so many ways it can happen.

The shit and do the music for me. Blah blah blah.

They do the music, send it back to me. I love the music because everything he does is firing flames it. Then from there I'll be like, shit, who drums work on this?

Shit?

Oh shit cardiac? I think it's got a hip hop feels, got the ball. I think it's just be crazy or any other co producers I work with, and then from there they get me to beat. I write the song with the person I want to write the song with. I find the artist to get the song too. I push the artist to do the song, get.

Through the song.

Then I take the record to Jason Joshua and mix it and that's the end of it.

Now. If it's something else.

Like I've also an amazing mixer, is very important. Absolutely, you gotta have that shout out to Ruben. You know what I mean, Ruben's in there. You see somewhere around here, you know what I mean. He's grounding right now. Okay, but no, but yeah, like please please finish.

That's my bad.

But I wanted to shout these guys out because they're they're not always spoken. It's my engineer and Leuess too. So that's one way. Another way is I just have creative energy with people. They might send me a beat pack or whatever, and then I'll go and I'll write the song and I'll rearrange your beat or whatever and take this and your outro that you had is really the intro and it's really the prehoting now and just put together a puzzle like that. So I think that real producing to me is.

You finish it. You start to finish, you in it, from the beginning.

Of the concept to whether it's a beat that's sent to you and you like, all right, bet well maybe can we change this around? And you get with Tank and you give me j Balleen time you write the hit record and then Tank wants it to be hit single and not cool. If not, then we give it to somebody else. And I got to get them to do it. And I mean should I did it with Tank on which I'm mad Atlantic man, a dirty remix man. That shit was super fire man golly.

But we did it together. We worked on several records together, so we know the vibe. Yeah. I think it's it's.

Good understanding and going in because I think a lot of people kind of get lost when it's like a kid that does the beat was like, well, I'm the producer on the song, and then you're like, well, that's a part of it, you know what I mean.

Also, when you send it to finishers.

Listen, when you send the beat that is nothing and then it becomes something because of everything else that's done to it, and even placing for that matter, because you go to extra step further. You're not just making a song. You're like, I know exactly where this song should be.

Then you got to sell it.

You're you're doing You're actually managing now just right.

Selling records to artists is very tough, very tough, very very tough.

There's an art to it, yeah, bro.

The crazy thing is that I fight myself daily about this because everything we said is true. But it's just a lot of captive this ship, and it's a lot of ego shit or whatever. That's also in social too. If I dress like Ghazi every day or like Craig Calvin every day nigga and wore the same outfit, no jewelry, no nothing or whatever, and I wasn't out here and me, then they wouldn't a coprin't.

You wouldn't hear no flack.

It would be the most thing because people want the look of it, you.

Know what I'm saying now.

Being a producer is a thing, like so the look of it. But like I run into situations where it's like damn it be like people would be jealous of your own success and the blessing that God got on you and overlook the fact the door that you opening up for them, so you can't change, you know what I'm saying, be cause it's like I've been through that so many times, not even on a producer a co producer level, just anybody.

Man, you know what I'm saying.

It could be a management it could be you know what I'm saying, people you're doing like niggas will be and everybody was so fucked up about being in a position which they don't tell you for you in position that everybody is gonna tell you or what they have an opinion of, skewed thought of. If it was me, I would have did this and well nigga waiting tills you, Yeah, yeah, especially if a nigga feeding you and got you out

Sol Bron.

Toasted, going from the my fucking concentration camp man for real for nine months.

To have an over one hundred million records.

So no, cap still look at sitting at my penthouse right now, I got to take it. You heard the pinhouse, you heard it, you heard it. Not the club, not the club, but the house.

What's what's the goal right now? Right now? For me?

Like it seemed like the when I first started on this hit maker journey, he was like, man, I want to prove so many yggs wrong.

These nigga shit it on me. Yeah, I had that. You know what's fun?

I don't even you know, because we've had so many different moments that we've run across each other and this ship we've been in there for many moons. There was a moment in Las Vegas at the at the Palms Hotel.

Studios and we were all there.

It was us three ENTI dollar sign action and we were talking and this was the This was like the first time that I had that. Me and you had kind of sat down and I was really like, I was like, man, I really like this dude.

Man. He's a really really good dude.

And I remember having a conversation with Tank after I said I hope that his revenge don't get the best of it.

I literally said that to him.

I was like that nigga is so cool because you get all the extra shit. We run into each other and you see a nigga and you and you're like, oh, I think he kind of liked this, so I think, whatever.

This may be.

But that that session where we were sitting in there, I'm like, really like this dude, man, and he's super super talented. But in conversation, you were vengeful. Hell yeah, you were vengeful. And I remember I remember talenting. I'm like, bro, I hoped it. I hope the revenge don't get the best of it, man, because that dude really is talented.

Bro, I had a.

Chip, cause you gotta think of all the shit that I went through in the past or whatever it was.

It wasn't because of me.

It was because I was putting myself around bad people, you know what I'm saying. Like, so I took a lot of l's now on the strength of me personally being a person that was supposed to have that. Hell, but I'm the the I'm the famous guy, so you you hold that ill. So at that point, man, I was just like, like in my mind, I was thinking like, man, fuck these nigas, they gonna see I'm the step on either. But now my whole vibe. Bro, this shit is a testimony. Bro, Like,

I'm giving people opportunities.

All my co writers that I work with, I'm putting them on my singles on my album.

It's not about me no more. I'm good.

It's about the inspiring the next person. Maybe I could put the ball in somebody else's hand, and when I decided to stop dribbling, that motherfucker that could pull me up circle of success type shit.

You know what I'm saying.

And on a big scale, anybody that's living that's seeing my journey, man, they know that this shit is so possible as long as you work hard and keep God first.

Bro. Yes, bro, Like it's.

Niggas that dissed me and songs that that that pay me top dollars for songs now, but not even like this because like whatever happened, it was a relevant punch line in But the way you're gonna stop it and not get your money and go work and do all this other shit because the nigga felt him my way, you have to strip all that ship down, like man, and just be like who's next, Like look at this,

Man, Let's be a light.

Let somebody be inspired by you, let somebody feel like Man, I.

Could take it there. Yeah, because it's possible.

And and I say that to the circle all the way back, like the course. Right, we all have a story, we all have a gang of l's, but it was all part for the course. And we can do one of two things, right. We can repeat the cycle, or we can decide to do better and start a different cycle.

It's a problem for sure. That's how it's gotta be.

As they would say players don't keep scoring.

Man, I'm I'm man, that's that's the best thing you said all day.

I swear that's real. I'm living in Bro. That's real.

And it's a different level of maturity, right, it's a different level of maturity to say, yeah, like okay, nigga got that off.

You know what. It's bigger than that.

Hell yeah, because it's like even like now, like I just see the playing in the plot being so bigger, like dang, like you gotta think, Bro.

I went from I'm not gonna say lying.

But but speak ill I was technically lying but speaking about being executive on the Breakfast Club and like seeing my life prior to that, like I always looked at the Barry Gordy's and the La Reads and all these different people whatever, But now it's like who better to be inside a building than me? Like, what are you talking about? I've been the artists. I've been through any

This is my job. This is my life. So you can you believe this is your actual job?

Like when you look at it and you wake up, you're like, yo, this is really what I get to do every day. Like I don't think that collectively in this business we ever truly take those times unless somebody reminds us to say, bro, you get to do this every day. This is this is the blessing of all blessings. It is on a big scale like that shit like it's no way to be replaced or whatever.

But that kind of that thought kind of inspired me something.

So I'm working for Atlantic or whatever, and it's like I'm lost into the sauce and I'm like, man, well you know cuz the deals I had over there Atlanta, like I really win it, Like man, my success and like my people set me up. Everything was Gucci but I realized that they wasn't trying to make me a boss. They was just wanted the records from me, you know what I'm saying, Like we cool.

And then I was like, damn, Like.

I was watching everybody else's trajectory and see how people, you know what I'm saying, the shit go like this or whatever like and I was like, damn, well, this producer or this songwriter kind of took a dip because he only focused on his self. He didn't work with everybody. That's why I was like, I'm not singling myself out. I'm not only working with three niggas. I don't care if I could email or a text or somebody hit

And La Reid.

I met a speaking of La Rea Happy birthday, La Read I met.

I met him and I always looked up to him.

Tricky Stewart introduced me to him formerly or whatever, and.

It's just like so like with me.

He was just like, man, you got nigga like this is this is what it is. And he's like, man, bro, I don't even really got it like this or whatever, like, but I want to give you a label deal and I believe in you and I want to make sure you get the money. And I'm working for Atlantic at this time or whatever, and they ain't offer me no label deal like I put putting up hits. I already did number ones for niggas and all types of shit that ain't come to me and say no hi or a label deal.

We thinking of that. So La offered to me.

And I loved La and I'm like, man, this nigga is amazing, man, like I want to be around this guy. So I go back to Craig and I'm like, hey, bro, La off me label deal. It's like a million dollars or something like two million dollars on signing.

Let me go get my money, like.

We are no no fucking out, no way. We love you, your family, we love you. And I'm like, okay, So they're like, let's let's let's show you how much we love you. So they came back. They gave me a deal. And the deal, you know, it stopped me from doing business with la you know what I'm saying. And because I was already locked in the Atlantic and the deal was cool, you know what I'm saying, I took the deal. It was an interesting time or whatever. It was a good,

They got their.

Offer in now blah blah. He wants he wants nine million dollars. He's got one song. He doesn't have a mixtape, but it's the biggest viral shit in the world.

So he come in.

He don't perform, he don't do nothing, don't wild me and these niggas was really.

Sitting there talking about giving him nine million dollars and then you realize what your deal was.

Yeah yeah, I'm like excuse me, Like wait what?

And I done sold millions of records out of been here for four years, like we what.

This is like the end of my concerts, like three and a half. I did come on man like I did the ones.

The big records like, and y'all went and told me we're gonna show you how much we believe in you and how much we care about you because you're a family, because you've been with us. So from there, I never forget this shit. I left the office that day and I went back to the hotel and then shit, uh the next day.

That the an R meeting can kept.

Going, I ain't show up, so like they all calling me, they are like, summon me to the office.

I go there.

You know, I was super close with Larrey and I still love all these people to today because it's nothing bad about the story. I'm still very successful. It is what it is. So they like, what's the issue. I'm like, I don't feel like y'all believe in me, Like how he's supposed to whatever, were breaking down different stuff and they were like, well, what do you want? I was like, if you really believe in me, y'all paying twelve thousand dollars a month for me to be in a studio

It was like how much you think that shit is gonna cost? Line?

When people was like, oh, four or five more million? You know what I'm saying, to do it in La to do it the right way, the way he would want to do it for three million, four a million, and shit, they were like, all right, mat, we gonna get back to you and see how this work or whatever for you, and we're gonna make it happen.

We believe you're our guy. Never made it happen.

So from there, I was like, damn La read even after I dubbed the deal and I couldn't take the million dollars from La. This man somehow turned my million dollars into a song deal and still.

Gave me the million dollars wanted to do. Yeah, Like, you can't come be a partnership here.

I'm still gonna give you the same amount of money I was gonna give you to do that for this. I'm like, that's a real relationship, you know what I'm saying, Like, Damn this, this, this ain't what I think it is. So from there, they never hollered back. And my partner Krishan, who's amazing. While I do all my records whatever whatever, we had a group or we still have a group, and he was like, man, can you see if you could go meet Ghazi or whatever and get us a deal with Empire.

I'm like, yeah, So I reached out to Ghazi.

We go up there and Ghazi was like telling me about different stories in his past and I didn't know that he worked with Atlantic.

That tough too, you know what I'm saying.

That he started all the records and this, that and the third and I was like, oh really. So then once he got that transparent with me, I got to be even more transparent with him about my situation or whatever.

What was going on. And I was just like yo, like.

Because they had put my back against the wall, like you don't even understand, Like they had put basically put a bounty on my head, like, oh, you ain't happy, pay.

This number and you can leave or not.

And the relationship was already so muddy, you know what I'm saying. After I I'm like, damn. So I told guysie what the number was. I'm like, bro, like shit they want They saying I gotta buy myself out with this or give him the money back myself. And I was gonna give him the money back, my dumb ass. But one of my mentors, my ogs, chimed there on me said, nigga, you were in the music, in it.

You don't get no motherfucking money none of it. So I said, I've been.

And GHAZI was just like, Bro, I believe in you. I thought you was coming up here that asked me to do a producer album or something like that. I thought we was gonna do small business. But I believe in you. Here's the compound in San Francisco. This is what I want to do. I'm gonna get you a penthouse here in San Francisco or whatever. You just come work with us or whatever, and please, bro, like, if you would allow us to work together, I think this

Wow. Wow did that I didn't know that nigga. Yeah, So that that shit heavy on me.

So now it's like now the game, like, oh, you ain't got your studio no more. They was empowering the studio a niggas trying to like put chinks.

In my armor like Empire. They not knowing the Empire. Damn.

There was the biggest company in the game.

You know what I'm saying. But it's indie. It's not what I used to be. Whatever.

There's most people don't understand market shit, bro. So my back was getting wall like I would be seeing shit niggas be screenshot and shit like close friends shit. It would be producers I work with and songwriters I work with. Like, man, this nigga burder fucked up being fucked up.

He gonna fall.

Off after this because we had so much massive success. And then from there I got in with Ghazi. I ain't never gonna lie man. I met Young Blue in the airport. Young Blue was like, man like, let's work together. And you know how you be in the airport, I ain't really figured out. I ain't know, I ain't taking serious or whatever. So we ended up meeting again. We went up there and we was in San Francisco and

I'm like, nigga, you want a song with Chris Brown is out of here.

It's out of here, nigga, we going number one. So we in there, we cook the hook up, me and him, Blue Ivory, Chris Fown, we did it all together. Then from there I ended up getting Brown on the record, and that was my first one out the gate were Ghazi with him Brown and two Chains or whatever and record it's platinum record. It's being the fucking shit. It was one of them reoccurring mom fuck us. That ship was tops here for forty seven weeks out of the year.

Last Yeah, the first one off the hip there we came with the Peru record after that, and I did Tink Project and I Tink Ship.

She got the most added last week at Urban radio with our record to shout out our business partner too.

Yeah. Yeah, shout out to my little brother young Blue. We're back. Family's family man.

Yeah No, that's that's That's an amazing story, man, an amazing path that you've taken. And the one consistent thing is you never stopped making the music, right because this is the only industry that any day of the week, any time of the year, you can wake up and hit the lottery facts.

But you just have to continue to do it. And that and what I found in.

My years in the music business is the guys who don't really ever reach their potential of the guys who stop, Yeah, you will have your time. You will have your time, you will have your season. Even some of the guys that we may not consider to be the most talented, they found their way because they just stayed in it.

They stayed at it. And it's just like, yo, you.

Know that record such and such as what's the nice record back? Hell no, the mean times I do that a week probably like that's who record? Ah man, that's amazing, bro, and we salute it, right, But when guys give up on it, that's when it's over. Other than that, it's never over. Like this is an ageless business. This business is based on Peter Pan. You know what I'm saying, Like you never got to grow up in this motherfucker.

And you stay at it.

And for that, bro, I just want to salute you for that, because you faced enough right for the average motherfucker to be like, man, I'm done with this ship like this is, this is and to further go into it, to know that, nigga, you actually come from money.

You didn't have to do this ship. You could hit any.

You and your bobs couldn't just did real estate business.

It's not as cool as this ship. Like let's let's be let's let's keep it. You know, this is this is the cool.

But the coolest part about my ship is that I'm just getting the journey is just beginning right right.

You know.

It's like you know what happens though when you when you hit now now, nothing's off limits, Like your access now is unlimited. It's like, oh, I see it's so much clearer now, and I can do so much more now with the access that I have. And if they won't do this, but I'll do it myself. That's when you hit a strike. Yeah, we got I don't know how you play this next second.

Yeah, I don't know how. You know? You know what he does?

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It's called I ain't saying no names. You can't say names Burg, I've seen them. I can't do it.

Yeah, So the story can be funny or fucked up or both, but you can't say.

The actual names of the people. You can say.

Ship around it that my mother trying to figure some ship out, but.

You can't say their names. Young Berg can't make up. You can't say it was me and niggas somehow. You can't you know what storyigga? What was Jamie? What was what was the last guy? Anybody that you don't think? How did? What was it? The Foxes started off a mineral awareness hotel room. This woman doing cocaine, famous actions.

I'm not doing cocaine. She's doing cocaine. I'm not because of my religious belief. That's how it starts.

We need some good man, we know, you know, we need a legendariry him maker, story man.

Without the names.

About the names, I'm trying to think, man, come tap into your ecstasy and ship man, give me half.

What y'all call it a bean? You call the bean?

Yeah, I never got into the nicknames. I was never Just give me the Just give me the accent. Which color you wan? Bro, Just don't confuse me, just give.

Me all right, Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. I was at a famous person's house and I was I was working with with a bunch of other famous people before they were famous. You know what I'm saying, Like everybody's going to come up or whatever. We in Hollywood blah blah blah blah. And the famous person who house it was wanted to have a meeting with me. So we like I go to the living room or whatever.

Is she looking at you? Like?

Meanwhile, she wasn't his girlfriend, the famous girlfriend is also in the house while this is happening too, just floating around.

In the meeting. Yeah, you know what I mean.

So he's talking to you though, like how were talking right now?

Boy? He getting a full hand job and contact with me. You are not allowed.

You are not allowed to look at me while you are getting a hand job.

But did she look at you? No, they was in their own thing. I think they were on some enhancements. You know.

You can't look at me because somehow I'm feel like I'm part of the inspiration.

I don't want it. Yeah, that was wild. Did you get a deal out of that?

No, he didn't have to happen.

It was whatever.

That is the entertainment industry.

Listen, Ladies and gentlemen, Ladies and gentlemen. I entertank.

I'm Jay Valentine And this has been hit makeup on the R and B Money podcast in phasis on hit make Up, R and bab Moneyney.

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