Nick Young

is swag Where'd you get Swaggy? Because you always got you know, you've got different fabrics, different guy you know me and got talking like that when I was coming into this world where y'all you know, where y'all live, gods that gonna make you specifically for you know, the style purposes of the world. So that's why gifts. I'm a gift for y'all. Okay, yeah, definitely for me, but I accept what you're gonna turn it down. I'm doing existed style. You know, here's it, here's it. Here's the

real question. Though, before you had a couple of dollars where you Swaggy that's a whole another. Yeah, I mean, you know, always have something, you know, we can find someone, we can pull up on your original house, go through the original photos. Who is this? You could be different styles back then, white teams that hadn't caught that much. You know, you gotta ask my shoes back then. Yeah, so you got you were swaggy as a kid. Yeah did they call you swaggy? Are you just playing with

us right now? They didn't call me sway, But when they started calling you swacky, did you start calling yourself? I started calling myself okay, just because you know, as a kid, you know my mom, I didn't like the way my mom dressed me, so she said she would tell you this. You know, one day she dressed me in like a cracking down outfit and kinder garten people cracking jokes at me, and I never let her pick my outh and sit. So you know, that's that's where

this came from. And you've been in your back since five? Yeah, yeah, that's what I do. So what is your rhythm? Rhythm? Yeah? What is your rhythm? What is your you know, you know the RB Money podcast throwing Harby metaphors when you when you're looking at something like when you either because you have your own that you mad or shout it, or if you're going through a rack of something. What are you looking for? Are you looking at something that's

completely different or completely off the wall? Are you looking for a certain texture that just in Japan. It depends on my mood, you know. Some days I feel calm, something like you're giving me a lot of a lot of goldie, right, Yeah, it depends on the mood. You know. You know he knows when he in the president of players I'm about you know, when he in the pressent he tipped to the side of baby. You know it makes me feel good. It makes me feel good, Baby,

I will because yeah, because I do. I do sometimes when you feel like, you know, I'm killing with my chest out, that's why you threw that over. Yeah, you know, I don't mind having a nip slip for the latest. You know what I'm saying. You look cute. You're a slight preview your Faemily my man. But I think it's like because I've seen a batter time and nothing like that though something don't talk away. I'm trying to get away. Yeah, I mean here could always say the same ship that's perfect,

everything the same, It's the same, curl. I don't like you said earlier, straight from the wound. He got that from the womb, just an end. But I gotta deal there wound. Gotta deal there wound. So so when did when did you know that you had a gift too? Who when did you know? Like, I know you was outside at the park doing your things, practicing in the rain, all of those moments. But when did you know? Oh? Probably,

I don't know. When I was younger, I know I noticed I could do like if I see something, I would go out there and do it. You know, if I see something, I'll go out there and try and it will come easy for me. But all my brothers played, So I was at the park twenty seven, so my brother next to me end up going overseas. Brother before him went up going overseas. So I was always around basketball. So could you could you beat your brother? When did you?

When was the first time you beat your brother? When like like a real accompany this? No, I know your brother? Yeah it took me. Yeah, Well I didn't really beat him. I just knew I could beat him, so I let him beat me, and I just never played him like that. It can't you know. I wanted him to feel that, you know, keep that, you know, that feeling big brother. Yeah, the big brother feeling. It was easy because I was like, this is could I let him? I mean Bob had

a fight, Yeah, my brother four fight something different. I figured like when when he figured out, not even when I figured out when he figured out, like, oh, sneaker get me somehow I got slammed then not fired. Only mean this is like, yeah, he never tested me since the like he knew it, and I was like we both knew it was like it was I was here. Yeah, and then like we had players like cetera, Bottles will come to our parks, and one day I dunked on

in front of everybody. They're sideboy, you know, a little bar right there as a teenager though as a teenager in high school. Yeah, he in the league at that time or he was like fresh out of the league on the type of thing. Fresh shout, Yeah, fresh shout. That's something to go on and talk about. So you grew up a right, okay, because a lot of people think like the valley because the high school in the valley,

so kind of give us the story of that. Um well, going to raised in West of A. I went to Hamilton High all the way to high school kicked out my freshman YEARY transferred to Dorsey. I mean I got kicked out and went to Dorsey because and I wasn't going to Dorsey. That was in the jungle. That just wasn't for me, you know. So I didn't go there at all. Moms found out one day she went up there looking for me. They said, he ain't checked into the school since at all. Okay, good, So moms didn't

really understand the politics. No she didn't. She didn't. She did, because that's the whole thing that a lot of people don't understand about l A and itself. Like, you got to be cautious of the school, you go to, the blocks you walking down. They want to know where your grandmama stay. Y'all the kings of that were your grandmama stay. Like when when Kidrick said that on that album, I was like, I've heard that before. I ain't from here. I'm not even I don't I'm staying the baby, what

are you talking about? So, yeah, you all the kings of that. My first day there, I got, I went my first day banged on me. They're like they try to trick me, Like I don't know. They're like what's up cool and all that. No, it's a whole blood school. Yeah. Then they finally asked me around front. I just they knew a neighborhood I stayed in and everything grew up in West So that's a majority of Criptini. It wasn't safe. Dose she didn't, but she kind of could. Well. She

was like I'm saying, my ba. She sent me to school because she thought I was gonna play basketball and they had a good basketball program. But I wasn't like known at the time like that. So you were so in l A. You're not a known basketball player yet. No, just in my neighborhood was good. But have you grown yet or did you get Are you one of them? Anthony Davis and go from six to speak probably six

one and my freshman year. But I was just I didn't like school really so and then one day Adrian, Adrian fat boy, he was driven to the basketball and he said at the bus stop and a traveling team, I mean traveling coach pull them over and said, do you know any players put my traveling to crazy? All right, shout out my boy. I go by another name of it. But I can't say yeah. I can't say drake me too, that's my dog. So they pull up all Adrian, yeah accellently,

don't know any Hoopers and he said yeah. So he took me to these triouts and then I killed that and then they introduced me to the coach at Cleveland Hard and then it's it's the rap after that. That's crazy. And when you come to the valley, what they busting you every day? They busted me, but it was like a whole different atmosphere. I think I needed to see. Yeah, there was more hands on. They made sure I was in class and everything so and I could mess up,

yeah for sure. So they were just busting you. Yeah, you the bus by yourself. So it wasn't like ice Cube and the w a movie where it was like other kids and they brought up it's just swagging. That's all I see right now, And that ain't right. That's just what this by your what sophomore year? Yeah, this is going into my junior year. So I'm gonna tell you a funny story, right. I come to l A fresh out of high school. Um hiever, you want to say, out of high school. But I wasn't there no more, right,

So I bowed l a whatever, relaxed. So I'm in l A and I'm in the Valley. First place. I come at the Valley because a lot of music different, you know, producers, all of Michael Jackonson and singing due yeah, yeah, you know you know what I mean. We'll get to that. So man, So when I get here, you know, I had hoop back home and I still was active. I'm

still hoping. And I remember maybe years, year two after being here, you know, I had found, you know, different littlehigh school games to go to, like just standing in the mix, going by Valley College, all a little shit, just hoping. And I'm here one day, Bro, I think of my Vale bull wreck and niggas is like, bro,

you gotta see this young nigga. I'm like, who, I've saw mostly all the young all the young cats coming through that that can who By that time, like I said, I had seen Gilbert already, I've seen something like who are you talking about? And like, man, it's a young nigga with a funked up atro go to Cleveland High? Like Cleveland High? Where is that? I think I have been here for however long at that point, but I've never heard of that school. I never heard that definitely, definitely.

I don't know basketball at bit man. So my brother like, I think my brother had maybe already saw a game two of you somewhere, but he was like, we gotta go early. I get to the gym. I think you can't park. When I say this nigger in his bad hair, dude Afro was so cold and athletic. Yeah, I'm like, because now obviously people know you as you shoot the three and who shot the three and turned around and then go in. But you shot that whole with a

whole bunch of confidence. Now you forever me right right, But people know you as a sharp shooter. They don't know the young nick young with the dumb bounce. I was like this young nigger and I remember I was like, here pro, same thing I said when I saw Gil. I was like, that's all I heard. I was like, they pro like he's a pro. And it was like, oh, this game kind of it's kind of, it ain't really it's wrong. Everything I'm saying, you already know you probably hurt.

Everybody was saying all the same show. I was like, man, that nigga pro put on a full shoulder and I mean that was crazy though, And that was the first time I saw you play the way. Yeah, I mean you know you play. Yeah, we tag with the football player, break it down. Even waiting with this, waiting for an athlete to come on this show, talk is talking ship. You got a bag, you know, starting fullback, rol taking tailback, quarterback, kicker, kicker yeah, wait, wait wait, I gotta put to So

I was scoring a touchdown and kicked extra point. That's just the type of shot out and then getting no looks. Damn. I got some college okay, music scholarship instead and the music coll ship too. All right, morning stacks. You the only thing that's called on what you do? Man? I thought you just started singing around the neighborhood. You know, I got about singing change. It came out the wound out the wound at at a Christian Union, Missionary Baptist church,

something you might not not never know nothing about. By the first time that a little bit, you know, my community that was busy throwing up track did at the black my past. It sounded like a gang something you're doing it. But no, I thought I could play basketball because I was athletic. So I had my first dunk in the game and that's eighth grade. Damn. So I was always buff, was always know I was. Actually I grew longest long as I'm supposed to be six four.

Where you stopped at that's a sore spot for I don't know where you stopping at five level. Yeah, that's that's what the people that did my assurance say. The people that did my assurance, it's not it's like five ten and some change, but five eleven feels great. When you said it, it felt like it was there. It meant the world to me. So I always stay there. It was the old way they used to do hiding

the NBA. Be like three quarters Dante Joe, I mean all the time, ain't no six six Dante, don't take a six sex he's six six because six seven, So like U six seven, six six and last six six and three quarters. So I rounded off to the I stopped. I stopped growing early. Um I didn't know why earlier, but that's neither here nor there. But um so I thought I was gonna ready be somebody, and then I stopped growing. I can still flying was way bigger than me. So I was like, football is gonna be my thing.

That's my first love and then I took my music scholarship. They wanted me to turn the English and math homework out. Yeah you want to know english and math for what? But dropped out left college? Hey yeah, I was there for two months. I was like, y'all want one. It was like, I'm not doing this just but nobody. He didn't make you didn't make a grading period at all. That was dope, do man. I went to I said, I'm gonna just write songs and figure it out. Hopefully

I figured it out. I mean when he went he went to the USC, so we know he didn't do no work. He was tough boy. Yeah, it was. It was tough. Tough? Was it? What was what was tough about it? A little insight? Yeah, I would. I was like, you have to do an unca. It was just a lot of work, man, Yeah, a lot of work. That call I called it to when they walked by. I called it work when they talked to it. It's a lot of working, hey man. It was man, man, there's a lot of work there. All right. I want so

when you making first album again? I remember in high school was banking jo. I used to love one song play for the girl caking ice cream. I used to play cake and ice cream? Yeah, high school. It's crazy you played Cake and ice two two is when that album came out. Cake and ice Cream. That's my I'm singing on this song as my ex wife, her sister, and the other girl that was in their group. So

they're really caking ice game and I'm singing about a threesome. Man. Man, when you say it like that right now, don't sound right. When we were just making the song, we just being creative, y'all, just having good time, just having a good time, so this it would be right. So college, how was that experience? That's a big change a little bit talking about the college on No, we were just talking about kicking ice cream.

He was in high school. Now let's go college. You when you said it was hard work at that was like ancondemn probation ship. No, not you. I was trying to leave. When did you declare my junior year? Are you stay three years? I was trying to stay too. I tried to leave my second year, but there I said. It wasn't it wasn't looking good for me. It's gonna be undrafted. Yeah, I probably it wasn't a second round.

I wondered, like I was scared. Letn't know all this workout, build up shot golden, just go fall to the second round and try hard. But they said I could be like a for sure first round pick next year. Come back then it wasn't like the winning goals, and uh, well we did. That's when Katie started the whole little one and one and the little things with Katie. You know, yeah, and what do you do? I went sixteen? Did anybody

promise you before that? Man? Because how does that tell us that process, how that ship goes, because opposed to go like when they go off your record here yea most of the time if they called back, Yeah, I was supposed to go like twelve to the Clippers, okay, And then I was supposed to go. They said if I didn't go twill, they guaranteed me thirteen. But two

people failed that they had twelve and thirteen. They had twelve in New Orleans had thirteen, okay, but two people failed that they didn't think was gonna fall that far, okay, and they picked picked them. I was sitting there mad because I didn't. I wanted to be in l A forever, you know, the first time about to leave l A, go to some city, end up going to d C

with Gil and you know how that works out. Yeah, I was from I was raised there d C. It's all right DC, alright, Like I think more people that ain't from there, we like that's from they be like, man, it's it's tough, yeah, V. So it's still crazy. It was still crazy out there, like looking at d C, like when you came to d C, Like what they did to d C is completely it's something else. But when we was raised, they were just parts of d C. You didn't go to I didn't want to drive. You

know what I'm saying. Wh y'all came to d C like they had built it up, got the m C I and all the whole little thing, and you know what I'm saying that now it's like it's like a real thing to be in d C hang out. So now when I go to d C, I'm like, this is really cool, but it's it really trips me out to see to see white people walking their dogs. Yeah, I still have those moments, you know what I'm saying, Like at that term that completely all trapped. Don't they

jogging when they're dog? Francis for sure. For us, it's more so one of those things where it's hidden because it's a tourist city. Right, So you don't know about Hunter's Point, you don't know about Sunny There, you don't know about these areas hill More, you don't know about it. They like what they call Western addition is what we

call film on my neighborhood. You know, slam the whole You know that that whole thing that was known for the you know PIVN and Owin and the street ship, but you would never know that a Strode definitely, that still strong, still strong still. But for us, they've kept it as low as possible that you just don't know what's there, you know what I mean, Because it's like, man, this city is so small. Yeah, we can't say what you are these niggas here, what these niggas on? You

know what I'm saying. So, but you go there and gilds your That's so, did y'all know each other from the valley or y'all didn't know each other at all? Because I know you said you had heard of it. Yeah, I heard of him, but because I think it Gil was a legendar here. Yeah, I remember playing against his school, and I just felt like I had to kill his school because everybody like even it's like Gil with here

and this is Grant. You couldn't do what Gil dude us. Yeah, it was a week that I had like party like forty five or something. There's nothing, there's nothing. But they didn't have him. They wasn't like it wasn't getting nobody like Gil there. So it don't matter. We won part like forty five forty five. That's how we said. Um so so you get to d C. You don't really know each other like that. But he was the first

one to call me and welcome me in. And he had like two cribs out there, so he let me stay in one of them, two cribs literally up the street from each other, because he said that's what was was this girl at the time. Man, I guess she had moved in with him or something. Okay, I'm not sure, but yeah, I was staying in a big gass house free you know whatever. Poor m p. You know, I mean, let me, let me, let's get this because because uh because girl, lets you stand up free matching. Because it

came with a lot of craziness. If I would have known nuck check, cheers age that, cheers and gild you stay in a free match, no matter what came A get there, so you'll let you stay in the freematching. But he still got kids to yoh yeah, of course. And we know the type of arenas is. So how was that your your rookie years? I ain't allowed my first time going out, Gil, and it took me out. Bill took me out. He I guess he knew the

chick or whatever. I guess it was like he set the chick up to trying to talk to me and something like that. He tells his story to everybody, won't let nobody let this story down. So I get there my first night in d C on club and I'll see, I'm like, damn, this chick on me. I didn't know Gill already set it up, you know, damn sometime to take her home and ship right right, yeah, like I'm young, I'm doing some bullshit, allows down. They're cuffed in the club, strang.

You know the song was out to I don't know that Bush. I was doing too much. So um yeah, so Gil, you know if you get home and everything after the club, girl, like man, you're doing too much with this. You're doing too much menire kissing the ship on the club. You're making this all looks bad talking about I'm trying to take something home. They don't do it like that. Man. You supposed to be You're pupposed to do that. Everybody looking at ship show you how you do it? End up taking a chick from me

and ship. I told this how you do it the next time? Man, So I'm like, man, I put all this working. Man, You're working all all night, like I didn't really let nobody else talk and talk to nobody else because I was, you know, trying to. That was like, I just had another night, Give yourse up? Did you play your card right? But took her to my crea that cooking eggs and the help now getting the house. She in the househo to do with Gil and everything? Same girl, same girl and yo, yeah really he had

the keys and took her there. I understand where you were though. That's me bro. That was your first out of highst college, even when I was old. But from that, everybody got to go through that. No, it just didn't. It depends on what your It depends on what your thing is like. If your lover then y'all have a good time. That's what you are. I just didn't know. You just didn't know. Okay, Well, I figured out early

that I'm a lover. I'm a cuddler. I like because I'm a forgiver, not an't jump though jump nigga one day told me the nigga one they told me my motto is it's my turn now? I said, right, what don't a lot of friends like that. I don't care what happened, I don't care care about nothing. They get more excited too when like somebody like me talk to me. Nothing bothers me. Good, unbothered with a person, I don't care. Everybody that's a good model, though, you can't get to

that space. It's a great space to be. That's a tough place if we really peeled back the layers. There's a lot of people that a lot of our own layers like tricky. What are we asking them to except if we really pulled back the layers. I know, but you'll begin like, have you ever been in the same room with Yeah that don't like bother you? With a few of them, it's more than one. Yeah, it's like to to it's more than two it's like yeah, and they're like, yeah, I had that. Anybody ever said yeah

I had that too, don't know. I just walked through and give him anob like you know you've been there there Now, that's that's that's a tough situation. That's not that's not. Oh no, because when you because because when you when you walk in with the thing, you know what I'm saying, you gotta act proud, but I am though, because it's not even acting because they looking now, they're like, damn, I might need to revisit that. I'm like, you can't

out here, you can't, you can't. Ain't no more bookies. Yeah, yeah, I don't. I don't about this. Yeah. Yeah, that's a good model. It's a stress free model because what happens is you put yourself in the position to really be let down because a person with a real amount of bodies ain't gonna tell you everything. They can't. They're trying to save this, trying to salvage a little bit and got some ship. They forgot what I'm saying, I didn't do that. You know what I'm saying, what ship? Don't

you remember? So it's like if I'm like, you know what whatever it is, it leads you here. You know what I'm saying, and and being about to process that way. You know what I talked talk You know what I'm saying, that talk talk talk probably say that type of rover here. That is, whatever it was, it brought you to me. Apparently that wasn't enough, That wasn't fulfilling that life you would leading. You know what I'm saying. That body count you was racking up, it didn't fulfill you. You know

what I'm saying. You had to come get full. Huh, you have to stop by a tank. What you have to come get what I'm saying, don't get Yeah, I get it. You thought you out. Oh but Southby ain't crazy. All the salvation is for every man, woman, boy and girl. Under the sound of my voice, hallelujah. I alright, skip the two things first before we get to the pro I want to ask you something. Okay, you are a pro basketball player. You are a pro skilled, professional basketball player,

play basketball for a living. Okay. When you come out to the run with us, okay, you're already better than us. Why do you cheat? Okay? Why why do you cheat? You're already never lose the game. Somehow they never lose, never want to lose, and you try so are to try to beat them every day until you get to that point when your girl. You gotta do the same

thing where professional basketball player mind set already program. That's like when gaming what's going around, and you could never be gamember that and gave it play basketball with everybody, I would win. I think. I mean, you can't put the mac on me. That's my nigga. But I'm just saying, but you can cheap called every foun Yeah, it's not you're bigger than us, you're more professional than us. That's you have that win on me. Though it's like R and B Doo beat me, you still loose. You still

take someone else down the hole. I'm just saying, you still take some house. I'm just trying to I just wanted to ask you let me come to the book and I was seeing you. You know, if you get it off, I'm gonna let your shine. I forgot who you are. It's about in the league, they can sing a little bit man that at least in the national anthem. Oh, I don't know if it goes bea but nixing national let we got some animals that we got some what happens that? Let me put albums up some I'm saying, yeah,

what's his name on the deepot? The deepot, the depot. So we've established this man is a cheater. He's a professional A step across half court. Yeah, yeah, cash money, but he cheats us. How do y'all feel about that? Like, how do we feel about what? I mean? I'm with it. I tell him the truth though, I tell him like, I have no problem. They get nice and be like do the moves and in the video. No, what it is is that I feel some times to get too well.

Sometimes put like this. There's a rhythm to it, and so living in that space consistently you automatically have the rhythm for it. But pro bowlers, their rhythm is dedicated. It's dedicated to basketball. So when you just try to sneak back in the R and B without having lived that rhythm, it can look funny. It's it's what you see.

It's the truth what you see. It's not that they're not talented, but they're not living enough consistently in the space to make it feel and look, you can't play yeah, right, you can't play R and b it's like you are wrap right. It's either it's the funniest thing like the Rapper. I mean that the football players like it's hilarious. And it's not that they that they can't do it. It's the fact that they don't fully live it on a

day to day basis. They have another job that they gotta do to feed their family, so just playing it don't really work. It's just it's just the same thing as, yes, I feel like I can play basketball, but if it's not something I'm doing every single day that I'm not dedicated to. When the guys that walk into gym that that's what they are dedicated to on a day to day basis, they're gonna probably they can probably give it

to you know. I mean like they've done the work, you know what I mean, And it's no way to to to halfway do this ship. So I've had those hard conversations with you know guys that it's the homies that I think they're talented. They can sing what I'm like, Bro, you're already fighting the uphill battle because nobody wants to see the rich get rich. We already know That's like, I don't know why that's like that, but it is what it is. So you're always you're gonna face that hate.

And then if you don't come through really cooking, nig is like, I'm cool, really cooking, I'm cool, Like ball right to chains had to focus on rap all day long because if he comes out there now and try to hoot with y'all, get in trouble. And that's just kind of that's just kind of what that is in my opinion. Or and sometimes just people have the money

to throw around and feel like it's that easy. You feel like you can just strow a couple hundred thousand and and you'll have a hit record when you just don't know space. Yeah, you don't know the space. So we tried, like like we try to give the information. But I think the thing that I've come to realize is that I don't know if they really want it. Yeah, I don't know if they really that's the other Yeah, Yeah,

it goes to that. And I know you experienced that even a basketball like the locker on try to you know what I mean, come on, try to tell the Max player right something anything, Nick, what we're talking about Max? You know, I'm always open up it's the same music, bro that it translates over to where you know, guys are still like I am who I am? I got the bag and if you won't work with me, I

can pay somebody else that might not even tell any truth. Yeah, all right, So because I got an album coming out that's hey, listen, you can play for I believe you too. I believe. But at least four joints dropping. He's just waiting for the right moment. You know what I'm saying, This is the right moment to press play and listen. He ain't gonna say what it is? Who that? That's me? All right? Yeah, just viving. I was just viving. Yeah, I got a him coming out soon. Okay, alright, So

Lakers have won the championship. Yeah, that's bird out of the bubble. Um on On which was one of probably one of one of the most emotional years in sports with the passing of Kobe UM and you playing with Kobe, you're playing with the leg organization and UM seeing what they've been been able to accomplish this year. What does

all what what feeling do you get from all of that? Honestly, I felt like I want a championship to just watching it and hoping they won because everything that's going on that happened this year, with me going to the funeral, with just seeing everybody being in that gym again, and it was just a crazy year. Man. I felt like they needed to not need it, but I feel like it was kept everything. They kept everything off for sure. Yeah. And the other part is, like you said, you've been

all l A everything, a whole lot. He was hoping you got drafted here and stay at home, So that's a whole another thing, like, yes, you're a professional basketball player, but everybody still has their hometown favorite or whatever team

they grew up on. And obviously you really from l A. Yeah, Cast is really from l A. A Lego fans for sure really played with and y'all really got moments online with y'all going back and forth in that gym, like how was that as far as just like being from l A but realizing like he's the guy here, I'm from here, but we're going back, you know what I'm saying. So I didn't even think about that at the moment.

But just like from the first day going there signing there, like man, I already planning for the team I grew up like idolizing the player. I grew up like wanting to be like I had a little fro in high school because of Kobe. You know it was. It wasn't like k Yeah, yeah, you know. I mean you could afford the bart Yeah, you know I didn't. I did the old lake of parades and stuff back then. So but from the first day he told called me and told me to come to Orange County at five in

the morning from the valley. I almost let him down, but you know, it's Kobe. I can't. I gotta wake up at three o'clock. I told him, you know, me coming to Orange County, I gotta wake up earlier to you. He told me, make sure we get your ass down there or you know it was over now, you said, I'm just pretty much that was no. I was more geek to just be getting that phone call from somebody

I grew up watching and loving. So once I got there, he came in with the shades at five in the morning, no sign out, no sign up, but he was waiting in the car to make sure everybody was on time. He was there probably I'll probably say hour before. Everybody sitting in just sitting in the car and making sure people show up. He said, I just wanted to see if y'all was hongry enough to show up. And literally we just talked that he left. He talked about will

be work out, work on nothing. We just who closed? Who closed? Well, he came in, said, I just want to talk to y'all and see where your mom is at before we started this journey, and see if y'all willing to, you know, wake up this early. So I'm like, okay, cool. He got me out the bed and five and four in the morning. But hey, man, let's talk. He always that guy gonna get at the first I said, come on, man, there's no son outside. Man, come a bit. The think

aviars thick, the black shades. You don't like you don't really like to finish your words hunt with the avars. That's that's not whatever whatever those what's they called aviators? Action? Yeahbation. Remember that I grew out of it. I'm glad I right here. It's right, you know, kind of grew out of it, but I still got a little bit left. The morning aviators, I got your back, Thank you. I was waiting for y'all to say something. Y'all let me

say it, but it's cool. It's cool. I looked to see if people will correct me sometimes because I don't be knowing what i'd be saying sometime, so you learn, I'm gonna learn them hands on. Look, but yeah you can't. But the shade over just to talk to talk about the season. I thought that was like that was my first like Kobe moment, Like I knew, like the season is gonna be on like a rotocaster, right, because that's the first experience I did with Kobe. I'm thinking, I'm

about the workout. I got my short song stretching, I'm getting a nice lather and I said that right right, leather, leather, leather, you mean a nice lader. That's a sweat like you know, all I could be just putting on but whatever, It's okay, this is whet, a nice lather like, you know, stretching, trying to show him like a shoot and working out a little bit there, trying to act like him, you know. But I'm sure he's watched a lot of families you

so get there. You tell me what I need to work on, what I need to do learning plays, but what I need to work on going more right because I always go left. He said it telling me about my own game the whole time. I said, damn, this is this is Kobe breaking me down like crazy, right, like he's already watched the film when all y'all, so you're telling me what I need to work on everything. So the next day we be getting the gym the same time and we started working. But that was like

my first experience. What was the first game? Like first game? I didn't let me see he was first game. I didn't play. I was hurt because Kobe broke my thumb in practice, has some preddles. It wasn't like attentionally swiped down, and but he practiced hard. He practiced hard. And then another story, he didn't think my finger was broke, so he kept passing me the ball hard and telling me to practice like Kobe, dog, it's swollen, but you know it's him. That's not the result of Yeah that look, yeah,

that's a that's it. That's everybody know that story. Hey, that's that's out there. Wow, that's there. Broke it. So I didn't get a chance to play like the first two months, first month, but there you played in the legendary game. His last game, he got sixty. Right, that's crazy? Is that that's crazy? I was at the game. We were we were in Phoenix that night. We were at the Phoenix Suns last game seeing it, seeing like ship that was going on because you know, family, So we

go to Phoenix. We're watching a young boy, dad get busy out there, you know. But it's the last game of the season type ship and we're trying to see Kobe's last game through like the whole little ticker thing of like what's going on. And he went from like, oh he got twenty, oh he got thirty five tank this nigga got he got fifty. Literally, I think I went to the second to the last game. The stay was centing. I was the second, you know, and I listened. I paid the money I told I told my wife

was my wife now. I told us to listen. We're going to see Coble. But it costa. I said, we're going to see Kobe. And we were sitting, we were sitting right across from your bench, and Kobe came out, came out the game. He put the ice on and and he he and he gave me the head n I was like this, it was worth Coobe gave me a head knob and I was like, come on, he says right. He told me personally he was coming back in and my girl was like, who are you talking

to him? Like I'm talking to Kobe. I'm talking to Kobe shop and I was like, that was like one of the coolest moments. What did he say to you about the me Uh? Did this one about the turn around? Like? What? What? What is it? That's because this that mean, it's kind of why you really popping on social media period. So when you know, I mean took you another place Facebook all the means or something. What did Kobe say to you about that shot? I know he had to say

something like a coming for God. I think I didn't think it was gonna be that big. I ain't a lot to you because I had just hit like three threes before then, so I'm playing around, were blowing them out, So you know, Dan Tony, we shoot nothing but three, so by like I made three in a row, so I shoot it. I'm thinking I'm about to, you know, turn around, show off some more. I'm gonna fire, you know, and did I was thinking, you know, Gil did it? You know I'm about to do it now show him up.

But what he did to me, I still revenge that. I still got my money. So here I shot it. I thought it was I thought it was cash. Yeah, turned around and ship while it was out, I thought it was over. I'm thinking it was over. This shock put it on was shocking the food. Then they said, you know, I've seen the trending on Twitter. I said, man, all right, man, I thought it was over with that day,

but people still do it to this day. So the funny thing is, as you know from your back, pucker and we'll go back to obviously your World Championships a little to that because you know I'm a Warrior fan. Yeah, thank you sir. You did work out there, yeah yeah, yeah yeah, but yeah, but like there with the whole social media play, I get a phone call from my father's Rest in Peace. From my father said, Jay, oh, it's swagging, like, how do you know who? What do

you know him? I said, actually, I do stell me we who we should be here? NBA players? Right play you go with Yes, that's the homie. He posted me. He posted me. He posted me. I said, posted what my my b lad lad In a few posted my lad man you what okay, okay, cool, tell me what's going on? Go to instagrams. Go to instagrams in Swaggy p posting me and it looked like he got he popping on there right like I got to pay yo, ask not knowing that my father, I don't know, you

didn't know. The story was so funny and crazy. That's a bro. I gotta say, is this true? That's crazy. I see him at them like, you know, it's my father. He was like, I was wondering why people were name like man, that's my father, bro. And the funny thing is, I guess like a week before he passed, I when I went to go see him and talk to him, I had talked talks and I was like, man, man, he said when you come to l A, he want

to meet you, blah blah blah. And you know, he passed up the week after that, but he was like, man, swaggy people so he it was that though, so I'm give this before we before we go. So we made we made we made shirts for Pops man. That's Tintoes down Tour. Yeah you can you can, you can go that that's for you man. I listen. I was like, I've got to make sure. Yeah, yeah, I was. I gotta make sure I get that to you. Man, tell me about bubbles. Do he met you? But we try

to take me out? He tried to man this pure of him, like, yeah, that's a real picture in front of Rose Royce. That's a real picture of him in front of Rose Royce, tintoes down tour man. That's that's the that's the city's and the places in the in the host rolls. Yeah, I can episodes the thank you're taking your shirt off from my lady and ship. I don't really like that. Yeah, I'm just gonna take that. Just went to what way to get that up? Way to get that one on yourself? Because you battle to

gave us ticket. I don't think it'll be a nice show since he gave you a shirt and reminded of you of him giving us giving your tickets because we all look at you. She's like dancing and ship music. Listen, I'm I'm the CP three of r NI. Okay, I'm I'm the assist king. I'm throwing them off for you, baby. That's for you. You got that thing. Everything I'm doing this's for you. I got How how is that though? Man, Like,

how has it been on stage? Like did you know like what you're gonna do, Like you know you're gonna like flex and p water didn't do it? Like could you be sweating the ship? You get so wet me? What is water cover chest? I stayed well hydrated my brother for that purpose, but I know, I know the stage line is gonna be hot. You failed me, So I stayed hydrated so I could be well glistened or another that could be well lather. He said, I have a good leather stage. That's what I gave him. This

is man, that's funny that show. I remember you hit me. That's what you do. That's listen, I'm setting you up. Did you always be like that? Like he was always like that? Or like you got like that act? You got like buffing Jim. They got buffed in the gym because I was singing truth music from the beginning. To know I'm saying, I didn't start singing R and B

until two years out of high school. So and then when I started singing R and B, I was on like some boys to men kind of cause I'm transitioning autogons. It wasn't until I went on the road with Genuine that that that things, you know, took a turn. Um. So that's like your sexual s us somewhere else. And that was my first R and B tour. It was it was Drew Hill, Genuine, Aaliyah, Mary J Blige and

Bone Thugs and Harmon. That was my first the biggest, the biggest in the world shore but let's rap though, but there they were doing. It was the first melody they established. Melody is rappers like. And it was crazy to see the crowds go from enjoying Drew Hill and the Genuine and Leah and Mary J to to going crazy when Bone Thugs the same R and B fast thing and every R and B song when Bone came out, they went crazy, bro. And I was there for I

was there for all of it. So that was my intro into you know, seconding means and well secular music. But that was my intro into seeing sex sound. That the second of music. That's what church, that's what people call. It's really armed if you don't, if you're not thinking about God, about people in church. So I'm watching Ginuine every night. I'm watching him right, I'm watching them hump the stage, hump a tow hump a speaker for really were doing that hump a girl water later glitter. I

watched him dive out into the oise every night. You know what was cold? He was cold, he was wild. Any good fight, right, he said, a good fight. Let's get a good fight. He says, that's why you guys show fight like with all of it, like fighting night and ready to fight. What do you say? Okay? Just made sure first Chris Brown, the original Chris Brown. Yeah. Fight.

So that was my intro into seeing how sex was sold and and sing the confidence in that space, and then trying my hand at it because he let me come out on stage and do a little something. You know what I'm saying. So when Genuine would take his shirt off, I'll be in the background, mis I take my shirt off. I didn't have the muscles at the top. The Ginuine I was killing me and he had the six badges. I wasn't. I wasn't that guy then, you

know what I'm saying. And then when I got off chill with him, I was like, damn, I need some muscles. And so because they're gonna it's not gonna work. Got the six pack and everything, and it's not gonna work, you know what I'm saying. I was like, I need some muscles, and so I joined this gym. It was called Leslie Ship right around the corner. But I was always an athlete, but the muscle thing was different. And I found this little kid. The kid's name was Marcus.

Eventually became family. And this kid was sixteen and seventeen years old in high school playing football. He looked like a grown man. He was one of those guys like over three hundred pounds, six ft, muscle bound calves every everything. I'm like, you're like, yeah, I'm seventeen, like you're what he So I can train you though you train me, put me on a little medicine and no drug testing in R and B. I just want to put that

out there. Back then, you know drug testing in R and by putting on a little medicine, but you know, tan't had muscles. Huh how long did that take? Aways? Talking about it took about I mean I was I was fresh, I had a clean slate. So so about four months and I was looking like a superhero. I look like a lean superhero like miss up, miss with you a little bit. No, no, it enhanced it enhanced. Yeah, did you like you still do it to this day, enhancement.

See now you trying to get now you trying to get it to you know, you know, I see what you do. I see what you're doing. I see what you do. I was yeahs league. So No, I was already an athlete, so I was accustomed to training. You know what I'm saying. So what happens with people who really really juice? Like that's that wasn't my thing. I wasn't I wasn't into competition levels of doing the competition levels.

I was just trying to sell the records. So for me, the things that I were gaining were more natural, and so it wasn't It wasn't so much in the field that I was taking. It was more more in the work that I was doing. So anytime I dropped like it was something that I would do like once every like right, Okay, So that's so that's my gift and my curse. I don't eat a lot, but I do look like my cookies and cals, but I don't eat

a lot of food. Yeah, so sometimes I need those calories because I'll go a whole day and only eat once or forget to eat. So that's my problem, you know what I'm saying. But you know, yeah, but in terms you know, in terms of the sauce, like you know, just you just gotta like h H is one of those things that they don't really want to promote too much, only because um, from from a Western medical medicine standpoint, they don't want you to replenish um, your your h

g H levels. They don't want you to essentially heal yourself. They don't want that. Yeah, they want to get like you have to think you you you played professional no sports, so as you are hard to you right now, as you are thirty five, your levels are probably at a man that's probably sixty seven years old, just because how much you've had to put out and how much you've

had to recover. It is, it is a fact. And so the part of it is trying to replenish those levels, you know, not turn you back to no twenty year old, but at least get you to the point to where your body can recover better than it is now. So that's that's the thing on it, you know what I'm saying, But you know, you've got to do more research to that type of stuff. I'm clean. You know about it. Hey, man, I'll start flying at the gym. There's no tank. They've

been a couple of guys. We salk somehow, we'll talk after I'm clean, but I know where it is. Uh okay, let my last question, and then Jay has a has a special part of the service and he would like for you to participate in. Um it's Lebron James to go. Yeah, that's forever as all time. Yeah, for sure, I think so wow. I don't think has think his competition he had the battle face. Are you saying that because you

were part of that competition? Yeah, I don't. I don't think you have to ever face a team like the Warriors. He was the Warriors. That's so he's Katie. He was the worst. I'm not gonna let y'all do that though I'm saying that. Don't say y'all. Don't say y'all. It he came through. He carried with the load. There wasn't a questions loaded. They were. They were the best team in the best team. But they wasn't the war They were the first version. We're talking about a seventy plus

win two. Michael Jordan, No, no, no, no, no, no, no, I'm not saying that. I'm saying I'm saying in terms of let's look in those days, in terms of a seventy two, seventy three win team, that was them. They set the bar. So Michael Jordan was never coming into a finals with that team as an underdog. Warriors never went into a finals as an underdog. They were those guys. So, and then going back to your point, I don't feel like I don't feel like Jordan's I feel like he

faced heavy competition. I feel like he faced some heavy teams, some history teams. But I feel like the evolution of athletes is so much different now that what Lebron faces is like, like, you got a guy named like dim Witty that will give Lebron dirty on a cool night, Ye do Mars who would give nicka dirty like I get. Joe Dumars is a guy. Joe Dumars is what I'm saying. But he's also But Joe Dumars also was a smaller competitor. It was you know, I mean, it was different things.

And yes, he was a guy. He was a guy. He was a guy. I would give you the second I think though, But he was the second leader scorer of the Brooklyn that's but who point right now? Any from the Valley Nia rights right? What I will say,

and this is my opinion, right, everybody's everybody's opinion. I personally think when you have go talk, it has to be more Mount Rushmore and more generational than it is saying what somebody would have done with different rules, with different style of play, with teaming up with However the league is now from what howeverly was then right because now there's no more hand checking a guy and Michael Jordan, you's seen it in the last for sure, for sure,

But iagine imagine playing in the league where Nick can literally guide you where he kind of wants you to go, and you don't get a call for it, right like there are guys now maker who make have their points on the free throw right. But you also have to say this though I agree with what you're saying, but I think what we always dial back to is that there are more guys capable in this new game of basketball than work and everybody's been raised off of the

Michael Jordan's algorithms. I want to give you the real question that nobody really asked, where the fund is Kareem in his conversation right, the greatest winner of all times, at all levels, at all levels. Nobody want to see a big ethic get it though, but let's keep it because he won, He was the greatest, also had competition with them because they don't school in different rules the most points of all times, he didn't because his error. Again,

his big will wasn't. Karem wasn't anomaly time. I get it, Bro, and now Lebron is because but Lebron isn't so much as good is He's not as skilled as a Lebron James. He's not. He's as good as as good as as

good as doctors is. He's not as smart as Lebron's or athletic as he like, Lebron has everything you put when you're making franken Stock, give me this, give me that sprinkle a little bit of this, Okay, funk up his hair, Okay, but we're gonna make sure, We're gonna make sure right well so so so the Mount Rushmore. I think I think it's I think it's because here's what I feel like, m J is fucking Jesus Lebron. Is Lebron be my favorite player right now. We're my

favorite player for quite some time, but ain't moving. But I think what somebody got some regeneration back. We also can't we also can't take away the fabric of all of these players, the DNA of all of these players, and that DNA is easily Michael Jordan's like the impact. Mj have a bigger impact than anything anybody in the world, any on any sport, being close in any sport, Everybody in any sport wants to be like Mike. My thing is, I hate that people say you can't never be better

than you. It's like, it's nobody go you gotta come and go seven and I'll win the final. No, because because even then, even then there's gonna be something right because because Michael Jordan's like if they change the signs of right now. But the way, yeah, this is easy. I disagree. I'm talking about the bubble. I't talking about the easiest team. Oh he faced there. I feel like

that is the easiest team here. But I also believe that I also believe that since it looks so easy, you know what I'm saying, When they finally got on the floor, that Jimmy Butler guy, that's hard said, I'm going to make sure it's hard, but it's not that easy. Can we all agree though, that he also has the second best player in the NBA? Understand? I agree? But did he always did? But? But but did he play? But did he play like the best player he began?

And that's the thing. The fear is there, fearing there, I got it. But I watched the game where he got hurt a little bit. Was it with Miami one? And I watched it with him, Amy Fan, I hope he doesn't. I don't really want him to be her for his career. I just hope he don't come like he's what they had after that, and he's a guy. Look what they had to fall back on after that. You're gonna ask Danny Green to try to score eighty points, Coil Pope, even though he stepped up, He stepped up Pope.

Nd I've ever seen really crew cut Caruso like that. He bring a different type of my favorite players. Knew that if I gotta, if I got to choose as I knew that when Rondo came back, that the Lakers won't win the championship. If Rondo didn't come back, they were not going to win the trash. If Rondo and Avery Bradley would have been there, they might have swept every everybody, Ye for sure because because because as great as Lebron is, he's sturdy. Fine every year every rally

would have been in that boat. Because you see the time, So you needed Ron Dog to come in and say, all right, Brian, I got it. Relax, I'll hold it down for seven minutes while you was beat so before I'm going to go to the section. But I gotta ask this because I'm from the Bay. I'm a Warrior's fan. All right, here we go. Ship feel bro that championship. We know what platinum records feel like. We know what

success feels like. Like what did that? Like? The chap don't even worry about it was nobody right, So nobody's right. I get it nothing. Hey man, hey man, we don't respect it. We whooped them niggers. It was our time. You had your shirt off, don't tennessee Henesse right? Damn? Like all the basketball you play in your life, was

it worth it to take the pay cut? Go play where it's like you know, you know, listen, I'm harder more so than it's like I'm going somewhere some week ast team I know ain't going to the playoffs, but I'm gonna give niggas thirty every other night. I'm an average two. I might can go get a bag after this to say, you know what I played in this league. I've had success in this league. I know who I am. But I'm gonna take this bread and go be an integral part to a team that I know can take

me to the mountown Man. For me, it was tough. It was Toff. I have to sit there and talk with I talk with Gil. He's like, go there, you never won, this could change, like your nearrative and everything so right, but you would have been to make those shorts with me. I I didn't win in high school. I don't win in college. So I was like, yeah, so like we lost in the championship game in high school. I was mad and ship, I know how that feels. But just the DNE that was unblieve. Like that broke

back memories when I watched it. Just Tuesday Sunday when I see the Lakers, because that parade, your family there to champagne in the locker room, everybody drinking, you got your gargles on you burned out crazy gargles don't gotta r any right, I'm sorry, gargles, I can't. My grandmama, my grandma trainees my grandma later, you know, and like gargle like like, yeah, the gargles, gargles on, how you like gargles whatever? Whatever, So you had your gargles on

champagne just saying anything, definitely saying anything anything. Oh y'all what Yeah, I was so drunk. Yeah, I was so drunk, and like I feel like the champagne was getting in my ports because it was just I just passed out on the bus. I didn't get a chance to take

my pictures. Man, you're not in the championship pictures. I didn't get my separate pictures, you know how everybody Yeah, with my family and ship because he was old, Like they've been sprayed, my mom, my dad, everybody getting sprayed. Like everybody's soaking champagne on. They spray like it's been like I think five thousand worth from bottles of ship the next pint in the record. We just gotta go crazy, like you gotta start spramping with champagne and just wild

much fun, low kid. I think like kids being there, like yeah, that's going crazy, bro. It's crazy, bron Like they get caught up in a mix because like the whole it's like a family thing. So you see moms in the middle of the pow wow and bring your dad, dad turn get them in the middle. It's crazy. So we have a part of our show. It's called I ain't saying no names. You tell us a story funny or fun up eitheryone both, but you don't mention the coprit do you were there? You experienced it? Don't you

do it? The Army money show ain't about no snitch. Don't do no telling money so telling. I need a story, bro, I need something, all right, rookie, m hmm. I'm driving right somehow I got to be the driver. Basically I was paid to be a chauffeur. But he might not have been designated. He might have been drunk too, but you know whatever, I would drinking too, But I'm in a chauffeur. I got the hat on the suit and everything. Yeah, yeah,

full show up. I don't paid nis at six. I don't know how they found this ship, but they paid me. The pulled up and picking be leaving the strip club okay, and it's Philly, Philly. Yeah yeah, the legendary strip. Yeah yeah they do, Yeah, they do. I'm a rookie. I'm like, damn, this is this is for real? Yeah? Oh like no, bro. I'm driving them though, and my playing parting in the back. It's like and I turned around. I'm like them that

just see what I'm saying. And they drive them They in the back seat do everything as they're supposed to, don't driving, Like damn, this is what the NBA is about. Feel like, damn, this is really NB. I can't wait to starting up get the back back really doing this in front of me. They don't care. I'm just talking to him and she's like, hey, anywhere I don't want some pool? And then he put up to the hotel. It's crazy, bro. Yeah, I think it was a legendary

night for me. Yeah I've seen it was like somebody like I had it. I had a crush on that thing, like yeah, yeah, it's one of those nights, that's all. I would never seen her getting bust down. Yeah in the car and I'm driving like bust down and we're not talking about the diamond watching man. Yeah yeah, yeah, this is welcome to being on the road with anyone. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeahs down. You know I stopping that LIGHTN is taking slow looking really happening, because once you get there, it's

gonna stop like that. That look nice? Man. I want I don say a little bit like yeah man, I want stup too. Shoot you good you shoot you get it right? You come on jail, you want to get no crap back. I didn't really go right. I ain't really gonna play tacking in me. Need you know I finished that up? Broll over right? No, that's a crazy Ladies and gentlemen. This has been the R and B Money podcast. But I guess our friend, the legendary, legendary

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