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My name is Tank Valentine. This the R and B Money Podcast. It's the authority on all things R and B and instruments and instrumentation. See see see A lot of y'all. Okay, are not well versed in the ways of musicianship. Okay, you're standing on your drip. Huh you you you might be standing on the tune. I ain't mad at you stand on the tune. You know what I'm saying. You know you you're standing on your social media's, but you're not standing on uh the gifts that personify.

The thing that we do. How many instruments do you play? M No?

Huh.

Ladies out there was skin flut, that's all you play? Huh nothing?

Huh?

This nigga's attacking, Yeah.

This this this man right here, this gentleman right here.

Okay, okay, you play pimping, that's all you do. That's that's the don play paper. We did. We don't pause. That's the only that's what we don't do. We don't pause.

I'm not talking about you.

We gotta fell in the building.

Huh.

He don't play about his musicianship, he don't play about his artistry, and the damn should don't play by this name.

Give it up for my brother. Yeah, my sack, my, yeah.

How you doing, yo? This man's thumach.

You Yeah, I got regular niggas.

You have to start listen to your story was like this.

That's a love language.

Wow.

That okay, I got it. So there's certain chords that you play because you're you. Have we ever talked about that.

In the show.

Listen, man, my thumb is a lovel. It's gonna age. Well, I'm getting ready to make a page from my yo right here, right here.

Wow, you better make the page before this shipbody somebody else.

I got all kind of fake dumb as.

Now, oh my brother. First of all, thank you man, thank you for coming.

Man.

I appreciate you.

I feel so comfortable. I'm gonna take my glass.

Oh yeah, you've been doing some cool stuff, man, Thank you, really cool stuff, like so cool that I had to, you know, I had to.

Be a part of it, and I appreciate that much.

One, you know, I want to start there and then we'll we'll go back to the beginning, get it and get into all the intricacies of of where you're from, how you got your name, all of that cool stuff.

But that yams nigga when I say a vibe.

Crazy Like a lot of people explore the nineties and you know, they they you know, they figured you know, they figure out their way to just kind of snatch some of the nuance and you know and just like, Okay, I get it. I get what you're trying to do. I get dead on. I felt like I was in Heigho, I was graduating high school all over again.

That was a very authentic record. Oh many, thank you man, Devin Morrison. I can't even take all of that compliment.

Yeah no, no, absolutely absolutely he was the student.

But it's like, what it made me realize is that people are so hungry for that energy. Because just putting out the word like y'all might need to sing this, it just went crazy. Shout out to Charlie Wilson because that was the first that was my first time here. That that's what opened my ears. I was like, what is Charlie singing? First of all, his voice is he's out of control. I'm like his attitude, you know, what

So I'm hoping that there were millions of you know, interactions and sales and lots of show money.

And uptick and uptick that's what they called it.

So there was plenty of uptick for for you too, my friend, because y'all did that.

Yeah, how did that? How did that record come back?

Something like this with just men talking and then making music at the same time.

Right.

I used to make a lot of videos about my observations when I travel, and I was like, in Africa they got the yams that the women in America getting surgery to get. That was the conversation, right, And so I'm always talking about yams. And she got a yamtation back there and a Yamborghini Green Eggs and Yam. That's just been how I've spoken to that. You know, those

I like that, but supposed to.

Look left and right when you media training. That's all these songs. Were just having fun, you know what I'm saying. And like Devin is a student of commission in all things nineties, you know, and you can absolutely he can hear it's crazy, and so like usual, I'm just having fun, you know what I'm saying. Like he left and then he texts back a bridge. I text back a response to the bridge. He texts back, uh damn colder or

He's like, bro, cool seven years? What for three years? Maybe? Oh yeah? Yeah?

Every year we play it during Thanksgivings. Max, you know, he would always do every Thanksgiving. Yes, He's like, bro, record, He's like, come on, stop this drop this record. Just it's like come on. We was having fun like, I don't want to do all that. Finally, we just you were taking yourself too serious.

Yes, I was, because we fight musicianship, we fight for the cool. It's the code of musicians just don't want to seem outside of the realm of true create creativity. But it's like, when you're having your most fun, you're probably being your most creative because it's it's not overthinking anything, it's just it's just flowing, allowing it to be whatever the moment calls for.

I think the first musician that I met that I felt like was truly having fun was t Pain was having a good time. Great example, when I met Tea pay because at first I didn't realize how much of a musician he was because nobody did, because you just kind of wrote it off, just the public's ignorance of what greatness really is. And then I meet him and I'm in a studio with him, I'm like, oh shit, this niggas amazing.

He's just having a good fucking time.

At no point was he serious at any moment during the session, anytime I've ever run into him. He's just a fun, loving guy having a good ass time making amazing music. And I think that it gave me a sense of understanding freedom musically to me when I when I you know, when I met him, I was just like, damn, this is he's in a very free space.

I'm going to add a person to your statement that it's just that are animal spirit spirit animals in Jazzy fat Oh yeah, Jazzy.

The Fizzle, the Fizzle Finz.

Yeah yeah, Jazzy Fizzle been having a good time, great respect always.

Oh boy, he's always having a good time. Briefcase Jazzy always.

But I even say that to to you and my own self, like I've made great music under duress, but.

When I've had fun making music, that's what.

If you drop some of those fucking around records, we probably go to the movie.

We have a yeah challenge, go to the moon this video.

Man, he drops these records thumb.

So what happens?

Okay, you put the record out and I've always liked your.

Music, thank you.

So I had heard the record before and then I forgot about the record and heard it again in a new light through.

Fedy Yeah mm hmm. How does that process go though?

Does is it?

Is it literally just him taking the record and doing his own thing. With it, or did he reach out to y'all or like, you know, because this is just a we're in a new music business. We're in a I'll take care of it when it gets crack, you know what I mean, or you know, we'll chase it once it's cracking, whatever that is, you know what I mean? So how did how was that process and were you guys involved in his release of it?

Well?

I was on the road at the time, so all I did was receive a text of the record and I was like, oh, that's cool.

Yeah, that's it.

And so next thing I know, I get another text saying, YO, is it cool if he drops it? I'm like sure, cause again it's a record that we had fun with, so I'm not it's not yes, you know what I mean. It's not like it's not your baby. I was like, Yo, have some fun with it. He had fun with it, and even the cored choices he did, I thought it

I didn't know Feedti had that record out. You didn't know Ship when I did it. When we started the challenge and did all that. Mine was Charlie Wilson. And then and then people I saw people started attacking me like, yeah, you need to give Freeddi Wap his credit.

I was like, oh, it got wild. I was like, give Freddie Wap what credit? I was like, I was like, this is day song. Yeah.

I knew Fetty's version through my son, because you know what I'm saying, Like it was yeah, the younger generation, like I knew your record through me knowing your music. I knew his version through my son, you know what I mean. So that was like my rediscovery of it.

And I'm like, oh, Ship, wait, I know the song I was like, wait a minute, you know what I mean? So they cuts you out. They thought they.

Was like, you do you ain't you ain't tapping No, Fettie, you ain't tapped in.

I like Fetty Way. I like the boy.

He got good songs, but he ain't not to originate of this. His essence ain't why I fell in love with this.

That was your argument. That was my argument.

Wastead of just been like, you know what, y'all wasn't tapped in.

I didn't know about the I was tapped into the sauce. Hallelujah. Oh my my mind. There you go. Duplicators were replicators.

Wow.

But I went to the originator. I went to the sauce. Look to the heels, from which comes my my god, so.

The gold around my next to talk, Let's go back to the beginning.

Bro, Let's go back to the beginning, to this all started for you, to where you know, I like to say, when somebody looked at you and say that boy gonna be some I'm like that boy got it?

Or you even said you even said to yourself, I'm kind of nice. Yeah, yeah, the beginning.

Yeah, I think when I was eight years old, right, this is back to the church days.

Yeah, that's you go there, We're going to go there.

I used to always ignore the sermon and watch the musicians. Yeah, that was my whole bot because they had their own little community, communicating with the hand signals and not dressing in church clothes. And I was like, they're having fun. I like this. I don't want to hear this. I'm eight years old. Of course I want to play tag at the in the church. And so my parents noticed that I was only gravitating towards this, and we're saying, like,

All right, made you more interested in the class. I said, yeah, what's her story? So let's have a guy.

I was like a seventh eighth story.

Yeah, you want to know you know what I'm saying.

I said something in my spirit she might have needed.

She made need a management.

I didn't even know that word back then, but I wanted to manage something.

For you to play over her hands from his hands.

Yeah, we'll get there. I'm asking my boys, like, yo, how do I get her heart? And he said, we gotta do some research. I look at her binder. It's a picture of Najie Davis and the binder. I hit the Googles and I said, that's a saxophone player. I want to be in the band.

Cool.

And so I'm in the band. I'm learning saxophone, like I need to learn saxophone. Every Sunday, I'm like ear pressed on the TV. Trying to like figure that out. Okay, cool, I'm gonna rady all that. I get sweet a saxophone. I get sweet enough to learn my first song on saxophone, which was Naked Marcus Houston. Wow, easy scale and I can learn that, learned it, played it for and she was like, huh, young man, you played naked for. I like this guy's savage. Yeah, savage. You know the niggas

That's hilarious.

I was just listening to this term.

I'm like the nigga rot to produce the song that you're talking about. Rhyme, that is cool. I'm putting my chades back. This is too vulnerable. This is awesome, This is too intimate. That hilarious.

To be young, to be young, to.

Be young man? What Yeah, that's the truth. You play naked to the teacher I did.

This is sick.

You him, you are him? This is great. What a good day.

Fuck learn sex, and then I'm gonna play naked and tell her exactly what I would.

I would like to do. If there's any detention you got for me, any extra credit? My next question is she doing for the TN.

Now think where his music and musicianship takes us, but it takes your places.

Around.

I'll be reflecting, like, man, we can really do a lot.

Man.

Yeah, substitute teacher, wasn't there a lot? So cool? All I was left with was the instrument. Continued to play. It got kicked out of class a lot because I wanted to learn other songs that you wrote unknowingly, and so that's all I would do during class, Listen on line wire whatever mixtape somebody brought me on the school. You know what I mean, what's that? Okay, that's such and such about.

To learn that?

That's all I did that a class cool. But then I had a substitute teacher for band one day. It was this dude, mister Hulkam, big black dude, listen to Charlie Parker type of guy. And he was like, you gonna be something. I'm not gonna kick you out today. I'm gonna put you into jazz band. So he puts me in the jazz band and it's way better for me because I can improve. And the best part was that partner sheet music and it was like make it up. I said, oh this for me. So every day, I

I feel like your generation was the generation that kind of reshaped the idea of how you learn to play instruments, because before your generation, it was always very much the structure of Bach and Beethoven. It was just very much fingers on the Middle Sea, thumb on the Middle Sea, and you move from there. But I think your generation started a thing where the music needed to meet the individual,

Is piquing someone's interest, and if they taught us that way, we wouldn't learn so much more.

But it was everything was this is how it's always been. It was so much tradition, and I think your generation was was the start of breath.

And if you come across a Yamborghini, Yamborghinia making you come across want.

To learn, do wrong wrong.

So you're at college, you're at college, you're not, but you're at Yeah, I'm at there. I think I wouldn't say I felt like the man, but I knew I was an outlier. I used to longboard and play saxophone at the same time.

Hold on, man, that's.

Like that image is around on the net. You were andre three thousand as what you saying, we go now we're painting it.

Is he rich or homeless?

Hey man, maybe he's both because it's.

That is the dynamic this basketball photo you're making right now. Oh yeah, it's just hilarious. Bron What's I supposed to be six supposed to be brothers. I'm supposed to be your height? As what's going on?

He said? Quit the monkey coup? Oh Mann, I didn't think it was gonna be like sorry, you had you all had a question reaching home.

I was longboarding, but it's like ro Virginia.

Yeah, that's a hilarious line.

But it's like those eclectic type things and guys like all the girls are like, who's the guy to be riding a skateboard playing the saxophone?

You know what I'm saying. I don't know I got practice right now. I don't know who that niggas, you know what I'm saying.

But this guy, Eric Benney kind of guy would get all the yams.

It used to be so mad at you. It wasn't you the guy's like, wait a minute.

I was just trying to find my way, man, you know, and uh I think I found.

So does that does that lead to any discovery and that college space or is that after the fact in terms of, you know, getting into the business or.

Drop your own music.

I did, but I think it was beautiful that I could learn how trash it was, you know what I'm saying. In my college humbled me because there were real artists in college with clothing lines and with software to mix their music and with just a lot of professional artistisms. And so I was getting to college thinking I was like the best in the world. All this like confidence or whatever, but dropping music and losing talent competitions and all that.

I liked that. I was like, oh, this is oh, you're taking ls too.

I was taking so many l's, collecting them as I was long, yeah, excuse me.

Yeah.

And so from that, the game theory and me activated or I was like, I got to defeat you. I got to not lose this talent competition. I need to figure out my niche to figure out how to win. And I credit college for that because I said, Okay, I got to make beats from scratch because I'm really good off the top of my head. Oh, I got to show you how many instruments I can play. I got to make a song about you right here, so you know, no one else can do this. And after

I think, yeah, yeah, because I was.

I think I was singing baby faces songs. Girls would ask me to sing to them.

The timbre of your voice just told me a lot.

Yeah, I mean you just you just went straight around. I was only doing original gospel music at the time. So if you wanted, if you wanted to know anything about Jesus, I could hook you up.

The movie makes sense.

Now you want a little Holy GOLs right there for you in a minute. You want to love song covers, I hadn't hadn't even gotten to the space to where I had even explored that part of my creativity.

Yet, that's cool. I just I just didn't know.

Like I wasn't until what two years out of high school that I decided to try r and b.

Let me try it. Church ain't paying me enough, and I gotta eat the rail, gotta eat. They were starting you out what one hundred and fifty a Sunday.

They paid me in chicken. But I understand what you're saying, though, Wait, hold on, hold on, you're a love offering. Yeah, but the love was a chicken.

Yes, it was dahn, that's real. I started out of twenty five dollars a Sunday. I fought years to end up at that one fifty.

M What you're gonna do with these days? Yeah?

They told me the Lord was gonna provide. I said, well, when is that nigga coming through so I can talk to him.

I wouldn't even been able to sell you niggas no weed, trying to by the weed with a piece of chicken. Now, you know, I used to trade chicken for a parking space.

Here go baring. You were getting a lot of chickens.

I was getting the chicken and now I'm getting the y Yeah.

All right, so get so. So we did traded chicken for parking spaces. We have been collecting l's on our long board, and and and and building to our ws.

Yes we have.

And you know, putting out our music, trying to figure out how to be a professional in this thing. What is what is your what is your breaking point? What is what is what is that pivotal moment that says I'm in the music business now?

Hmm?

I think twenty eighteen was when I shifted from SoundCloud to the streaming platforms like the main ones, and that was my R and B album. You know, it was me trying to say I'm an artist. I know I'm entertaining, I know I am talented, but these are records and people are going to play these records in the future, and it's going to be the thing, And I feel like the tour I went on in twenty eighteen solidified that I have to be looked at as an artist

Yeah at this point, yes.

It's just you know, me and the people you meet along the way. Okay, so yeah, the record deal came maybe before you get before you get to the record deal, how did you know where to go? Meaning it's tour right and saying you know you're selling out these venues. Were you using the analytics or were you just did you even know about the analytics yet? Of Okay, I have a thousand fans and such and such, so I can probably do a spot that fits two fifty.

Did you go through that process?

Because we want to give these artists who are getting into the game and understanding of how not to lose your ass.

You know what I'm saying.

It's just like, oh, yeah, I'm gonna go do a show in New York. Well, nigga, they don't know you in New York. What are you talking about? Go figure out or did you just take the chance.

That's what I want to know.

No, no, no, that's a great question. I always looked at what the people were saying. Like SoundCloud, the way it was structured was as that song is played, they can comment if they like it, where they're from, whatever, And so I would take that gather some data. I was always trying to outsmart the system, right, and I always would go where the love is. So to continue with answering that, I would say I would do a show and then figure out who was there, and from

We choose him.

And so I always paid attention to what the people liked and where they were at, and I just go there. So I used to it was literally a non official tour. It was like this show did this, and then I was like, I've been on twelf for two years. Wow, that was that was my story. So just paying attention to people, I think it's good advice. I read the comments.

I love that absolutely.

But then at the other piece though, with the information in terms of how you go from SoundCloud to the DSPs.

Yeah, you gotta like, you gotta talk to people. You have to almost harass people for information while you're not in the in crowd yet, and you have to read anything available and try to figure out the through line that connects it all. Because it was definitely difficult at first figuring out what does this mean, what it splits, what's the publishing? How do you figure out how to

Is just he said, who I love that too though the street streets.

Yeah, yeah, you know, we'll get them going. That's a lot of who I am. But I've always been It's all it goes back to relationships or currency, you know what I'm saying. I was just like, I haven't gotten to where I want to get to it because I haven't met the right person, and so I would always just go outside or do something clever on social media until I would get closer to the understanding that I lacked at the time. So yeah, when it comes to how did I get my stuff on DSPs, I used

Yeah, so wow, that now I love the due diligence though. That's the hunger you gotta have. I was very hungry, Yeah, because you have to be in.

I mean, first, the people business is what we subscribe to. We're in the people business. Everything else is a byproduct of that. You got to get the people there, or get to the people in some way, shape or form.

That's what Virginia did though. Yeah, like in terms of joking ability, they're great in the DMV, Like they'll tell you exactly how much they don't like what you're wearing or what you're sounding, like the comments will cook you. Yeah, it's all And I needed that because a lot of people, this is what's in the way. They think they're so amazing and untouchable. They don't need to go overseas because

Hyperbolic. You went to school a little bit, he went to one of the classes.

Hyperbolic is not like you know, you just walking and chilling on the corner. This niggas just like, yeah, I mean what you're doing with your hyperbolic today, Like, that's not.

Done a lot of museum days.

I've done a lot of music.

Subsidiary my repertoire, my repertoire, Yeah yeah, trust me, that's where you get the words from the museums. First big record to me love Be like m hmm, it's from SoundCloud. And that was what made me drop out of school because it got one hundred thousand plays in a day.

I'm out, this bitch, I'm out.

I know I was here. I said, not no more communications, one on one, a hundred thousand. I was coming here for this. I dot it about you an't even give me a scholarship peace, he said.

Pe whoa like ten? Pe my repertoire? Are you kidding? One hundred thousand and one day?

That's all that to me? I was like, I'm famous. That's what I told my and then when Girls That Dance came out, I said, oh, it's over, I'm it, give me the plaque. But I knew at that time that I'm missing something to get this plaqu because if I didn't here yet, we'll be all right. Between Lovely Lick and Girls of Dance, like those are the ones where I was like, Okay, this is what famous. And then when I started to see it can just keep getting redefined. And I've been trying to do this for

I'm like, is it basketball? Is it football?

Just so I can gauge the wins a little bit better because it's so nuanced, and do we win this? Is this the plaque that says we got the ring? Are these your rings? Or is this like a trophy? Is this the MVP Award? And so I tried to do that, and I felt like if I had a metric that I wanted to hit and I hit it, that's the ring. And so love Be Like was the first one, and I was like one hundred k like

M m yeah, truly.

Like we can say, oh, well, the Grammy and you know, I won this award at the end of the year, and I guess that would probably be perceived to be what our super Bowl is and our you know, NBA championship. But the truth of the matter is that you're you're really competing with yourself of where you feel that you know that success lies, like you said, for you to see that one hundred thousand, that's your super Bowl, that was.

Life changing for you.

And I think with music, we put too much on you know, everybody else's things, you know, instead of just being like, this is what satisfies me, this is what I believe is the greatest shit in the world, you.

Know what I mean?

Like that you even having that story and explaining that, like, yeah, when you saw that one hundred thousand, because we can have so many of those moments in the music business that in you know, like in the NBA, you just met you can make it to the league, and then you try to get your contract, and then you try to and then you but in music, every day you can be satisfied by that song you just wrote or

I don't think that.

You know, other forms have that, that that instant gratification.

You know, I know how I feel. The dunk dunk, the basketball cool, you.

Know what I'm saying talk about, But you know, seeing a record go the way that they go and then seeing people react to it the same, you know what I mean, or even crazier, like I've never always say this, I've never seen a woman throw their panties at somebody for dunk and a basketball. She might have thrown her panties about the contract he signed talk about it, But I've seen panties get.

Thrown off of a Oh yeah, we haven't panty talk.

We always have. This is the R and B Money Podcast.

Come on, rustles a little, Come on.

We haven't talk.

That because him.

The other thing about music too, though, is that we can get it all broke. Okay, we can get it all broke. I talk about it, you know what I mean. We can dive into that, you know what I mean when it's like, oh damn, you date him, that's cool.

I probably can't afford to go to the game he playing there. But you like this song rot, don't you?

Absolutely?

Because at the end of the day, talk about it. It all comes down to the yams.

Y'all good at what y'all do. This is a good show, R and B.

I don't care how you cut it, you know, I mean, okay, how you slice it? Still a yam still yam man. Yeah, yeah, you're freshly braided. I know her too. I know why, just in case that yam is.

Look, it's the playoffs right now, he said, you freshly break. Yeah, we know why. It's always the playoffs for rest, as.

In being in competition with yourself. It's just it's just the progressions that make it all make sense. It's getting a hundred more people in the building, it's getting a hundred more spans that week. It's you know, I don't I mean, I like the I love the award shows. I love it. I get I get what it is. But I've seen so many historians and even current artists have so much success without it, great success. So it goes back to what you're saying, like, yeah, it's it's

Like I don't know you through the numbers. I know you through the woman. Have you heard it now?

Yes? I have m Yeah, I like that record.

This man is dropping place today.

Like but seriously though, and that that is something that that you've established within your artistry and your career, that's special. You said it earlier, you were like, you know, I knew women were supporting me, you know what I mean? And that that that you you you had your target audience. You stuck to it, and they they become your introduction, you know what I mean. It was It wasn't like you know, the radio introduced me to you or some playlist.

Or that it literally the woman. It was just he's dope. He's dope. If you heard him, that's simple. And then it became if you didn't hear him, think you don't know about that?

No painings for you, O, man, Like you've done, he bro, Listen, you gott.

Some fly ship, bro.

I appreciate that some fly ship really shout out women, man shout out to talk. Yeah.

Yeah.

What's been your most successful record?

Successful?

Definitely, okay, just because of the impact into places that I wouldn't otherwise find myself, certain countries that I wouldn't have been to, certain people wouldn't have discovered me. Like it just opened up the most doors, and it's such a great introduction when someone's trying to understand that I'm a little left of center with my approach to R and B. It's like, watch a video. You see exactly

Well, he said five minutes. Yeah.

So as we're getting introduced to each other, he's warming his guitar up and that's the riff of the song. And so I'm like, all right, we ain't got to talk. Then, let's just come on. I got drums, start punching the drum machine, and so yeah, it was just another in the moment. So y'all got all my favorite things here, women, tea, instruments.

Oh, let's give them. Let's just give him some backstory. You know. He walks onto the pod. Uh, he's walking in here, and we're like, man, you got we got water, we got uh, we got libations. You know what I'm saying.

We did we to tequila on that little whiskey aged whiskey. You know what I'm saying. We like whiskey of age. And he says, yeah, yeah, I feel all that, But where's the tea? I said what he said, it's supposed to be R and B money.

You ain't got no tea. You know what I do have tea, motherfucker.

I got tea and I got a love cut trump me think I ain't ready. I just bought throw coats with limited incognesia and I got mint tea. I got Camra meals that saying, I got ginger tea for digestions.

Just in case you know what I'm saying, you bounce an. I got tea, all right, So.

This man loves tea every time you see him. Just make sure maybe you'll come up with a brand of tease.

Are we branding something right now? If they cutting the check? No, no, no the check. If they start in the LLC, you can find me. But you got beverages, don't you? You gets you got some? You guess your don't think going right? I got I.

Don't know if I got nothing. What I got?

What I got?

Yeah, we got stuff closing opening, Okay, we can't talk about it yet. Actually you're talking about the jont in

Real quick, you know it's not. You cannot put it in.

The hold on, man, do you find a suspicious?

Don't you find a suspicious that we don't get all the help?

Why it costs so much? Why fast foods so affordable and near us?

Yeah? Yeah, what you find a suspicious? I find it suspicious? My brother? Can I call you brother Tank? You can call me brother Tank.

I find it suspicious. Then we can't even have nothing.

Thumbs up to my rap career. Let's start there.

Mm hmmm, h.

M h.

M hmmmm.

Top five.

Your top five.

Top five, Your top five R and B easigga, all the these songs.

Yeah, great, bring.

Let's tell a discus, tell these bussines, tackle tack. Yes, your.

Top five, it's all types of off.

Let's say I shut it tear your top five all singers, all right.

Uh.

The first person that came to mind was DiAngelo. Yeah, I'll start there, Okay, definitely, that's where I will start. The second person popped my mind was j Moss. I act like that out of control definitely.

Mm hmm.

Third, I'm gonna go with Jamie Fox. Yeah, definitely.

Yeah, that's the cat, the Cat, the cat, musician, tip musicians.

Impact, Mary J. Blige, Yeah, how to do it? And then number five spot gotta go Stevie. Yeah, and see defeated un defeated in the world. It's just multifaceted. Choose multi everything and he can see so but we'll get to that anyway. Your top five, top five R and B songs. Okay, top five R and B songs. I gotta access some cool to get this. They got you both for this one.

Excuse me, all right. Image, So it's like it's like you ski, but you you have the Ten Commandments written.

On your Ski Betray My Heart DeAngelo. I think that's a good one.

Mm. I think it's suspicious. We don't talk about that song enough. That's just me. I would say, hmmmm.

Was it?

Was it? What you want to be? Y'all? Why a w? Have you heard this record?

No?

Where's my cellular device? Can you pass it? I was listening to it on the morning all the while? But yes, it is very beautiful. It is Where would you be? Why a w? Oh? I love that you don't know this song. You should listen to it.

It's very It could be a cover and I could just be a youngster. We'll see later. Cool butterflies MJ why not? Yes, have to Marshall fancy the Dream?

Hmm.

That's a good love song.

That one. What a vibe?

Yeah, Yeah, would love to hear liveh missed mm hmm. And J Moss Florida, Yeah, let's go to Florida talks about the Temptations.

I really liked that one. It was an R and B thing. It was a lot of controversy about him singing that he should be able to sing whatever he wants to. It's an instrument. It's an instrument, many keys, and he's amazing, wanted.

To be him growing up. I said, how many of you is that in that choir? He just said, yes, I understand.

All right, we gotta we're gonna build. We're gonna build you a perfect R and B artist. We call it the R and B voltron. And you have to pick artists where you're going to extract huh uh uh okay, the necessities from the materials. We're gonna we're gonna see who you're gonna get the vocal from, who you're going to get the styling from, who you're going to get the performance style from, and who you're going to get.

The heart of the artists from the passion so good? Yeah, So let's start with the vocal. If you're building your perfect R and B artists, who are you going to get the vocal from that one artist? Who the lead singer?

Man, it ain't gonna be oltists who who they come to see? I gotta be honest, give me the vocals from.

Cals, lot of that of that.

Yeah. Oh Now, if you don't want to find out the hardway, hardway, now listen to the song is the record?

Please? Well know all mom Mamma talked me a long time ago, throw their lamb in there.

Yeah, okay, wow, wow, Okay, I can tell a lie. Robert Lee vocal, got it, got it? Who are you getting the performance style.

From that performance?

Give me Maxwell hm hmm yeah, with the new Maxwell, with the Meganes, with the Megan Thees Maxwell. Yeah, yeah, I've seen. Yeah, I said, this has long jevity.

Yeah, I don't want the first tour knees got out of here, get that drop down and get your I'm not I'm not not me lost me there, I respect it thought. Okay, who you getting the styling from the drip of the artists? The styling from get me on?

No, no, no, no, no, no.

Do that.

No, the styling from the R and B because we're we're an odd bunch with the outfits. Whatever artists you want to throw in there, though you're making your perfect R and B artist for you, it's yours.

Who's got the drip? Mmm r n B. No, No, that wasn't really doing it for me.

Back in the news day, Okay, okay, give me those threads from Jay Holiday, the flannel with the hoodie in the back, the.

Hoodie that come out of the flannel.

Yeah yeah, yeah, uh suffocate, suffocate, I do exactly what?

Come on? Now? You sure you know what I'm saying? Your whole artist is gonna happen, Okay.

Because that's when I'll know that the art is speaking, because you're not here for the clothes.

I need that. Ah Okay, it's kind of a dig I'm roland.

Oh but no, no, no, understand that for that combination, it would be viewed in this day and time as lumberjackish. But that doesn't mean it's not a style that people want. Jack one hundred thw thousand.

You know we can do this. You know it's crazy. I'm thinking you're gonna say dred the whole time. I'm like, you're gonna say dray. Yeah.

That definitely came out of left Yep, none of wh The passion of you threw this nigga off. He said, for the drip, I love, I just didn't know he dripped, Okay, Hey said three thousand for the drip.

Yeah, okay. Passion of the artist, the heart of the artist, the heart gotta do Michael God, who wanted more than that? What is a nigga going through that? In between?

And it's understanding and held on to that thing in the air that holds you and said, what.

About the elephants?

What about the saying?

You know what I'm saying, that's heard. You care about the things that we can't even go see only you've seen them elephants. We ain't got that type of money. He was trying to put us up on Brazil, looking to put us up. I've seen it's sad.

Where you going?

What about Derek? What about the mountain to love? It's burning love? What about lava?

What?

What about ants? What about lying and tigers in bears?

Don't have a chance.

This is why you can't write songs with him, because saying what about lava? He can make anything sound like it's supposed to be cool.

Michael doesn't care about lava. I can care about But if you look at java, it's so much of it. It swhere, does it go? Does any does it can even help the lava? Can someone help us with the LoVa? And then and then it and then it dries and dies? Help us keep the lava, lava, keep the lava. And those of you who are making lava laps, how dare you? How dare you extract lava from its place, from its ois? From its home, take it from It's must be stopped.

Yeah, you have to be lover belongs with LoVa. None in your lamps. M okay, Oh my god, that is on his teeth.

This guy, man, where are you going?

Where are you going? Is this a little bill theme? Is that about the record? You lost it? I think I lost it? He throwing all I got it, I got I got I got I got it, I got it, I got it, I got it. I ain't saying no names.

I ain't saying no names. Ain't saying no names. Saying no name when you were who he was weird? Don't say ship. I ain't saying no.

It's a good show a lot. That's a very important segment. Okay, very important to the rest of those seams, tears. There's a question to be asked this segment of the show.

I'm listening.

God, I ain't saying no names. It's about your travels and this ship music industry. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The story can be funny. Are fucked up? Are funny? And fucked up? Could be about your audit when you audited label ship. The only rulee to this game and segment. You just can't say no names.

But this right here. I ain't saying no name. Okay, okay, man, what all right? Take time? Can you just put me in a minor for a seconds? I think musician nigga? Okay, we could do that decent story, Max. You know I got masked. I just got to figure out to clean this up. No, no, we want a dirty story. Dirty. We want to tell them dirt, dirt.

All right, we'll do it. We'll keep it light for the first ones. I think of the second one all right, boom. It's my first time in l A searching for a deal using my contacts that I have, and then I land a meeting with a really well known executive and his partner and they're like, yo, meet us at the top of Soho House.

You know, can I say names of place? You know? I'm niggas be a man.

Yeah, everybody there see the view all that my first time being there. I used to be at the rallies. That's where I would do.

That's what I would do.

Me a little different, a guy like me. Yeah, I'm sure they don't have the trouble pizza, you understand, I get it. Yeah, I just traded my longboard, so it's a different stage. So I show up to this meeting on time early actually, and at first they were asking if I worked there, and I said, these are my these are my famous clothes.

No, I don't work here.

But they said, sir, you know use your lakers, now you understand. And I said, no, no, no, I don't work here. I'm not here to park the cars. I'm here to get a deal.

So boom.

After a lot of you know, ego taming, I make my way up to the top of the top of so's a beautiful view, nice layer of small and pollution just to coat the clouds of l a and a little hero and needle right there in the distance, just being shared by a couple.

Love. Wow.

And So now I'm here with my manager and we're just waiting thirty minutes our hour thirty. I've already consumed the very expensive appetizers. I said, who's.

Paying for this?

Doesn't matter. Then two men, powerful men walk in. I said, oh, there's the money walking in my deals here. Let me just move my work clothes them see my chain from Patrick Henry Mall And so I, oh, yes, the kiosk I love that.

I love.

Yes, it's gotta fake it till you you understand.

Well, so I'm I'm trying to talk to I'm like, yo, so I'm gonna say go and I do this, and I play out his instruments no dah, and I'm just like I'm looking out at the sky like this is my chance. I'm just telling him who I am and why I am the one he should sign. And then I looked down and one of them is sleeping, sleep, resting, and the other one is.

Just like, yeah, man, you know it's.

Yeah, he's got back from London.

You know how that is. I said, no, I don't know how that is. I am broke. What is it? London? But I'm not her American boy, well not her American.

So he was sleeping and I was just like, well, wake up, mister West, and uh he woke up and.

He said yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. Can we do this over email?

And I said yes we can, and then he left to go to the bathroom. And I had to pay for this so on my father's credit card, this meal that we all enjoyed.

He ordered the what is the meal out here?

The salmon with the here with the potatoes, yes, and then those housemaid chips I believe, Yeah, two glasses of wine. I think it was nineteen crimes at the time. Shout out snoop, good partnership.

Didn't know.

And yeah, yeah, that was quite the bill. That took a while to pay off. And then when I would see him in the future, he would just say he's proud of me, and I'd be like, guacamole, but I ain't saying no names.

I ain't saying no names. That's great, appreciate it, man, that was really good. Had to clean it up. I was like, he needed to take you to dinner, man, he needed to take.

You.

Got brother, got to take you to dinner, just one dinner.

It could be at rallies.

I'd still show up. If anybody asked, you can we do this over email? You say no, we cannot.

Ship.

Yeah, that's tough. We're gonna do this now, we ain't gonna do it. It's good.

That's a great story though. That's amazing, and it's it's real. It's man, it's it's how this ship goes.

You guys don't have to be the guacamole guy. You don't have to be to guacamolea. I have to be the guacamolea guy. You might be with me and I might push the guacamole in your fucking face.

Talk to talk, Come on, man, talk to talk. Ship, Wake the funk up, right, Come on, guys. We don't have to be those guys. Man, don't have to don't have to be those guys. Man, you either like it or you don't like it. Tell someone you don't like it. It's it's okay, and move on. We don't have to be disrespectful, brother, migo. That story is great, great story top to bottom. And you you're you're still in the beginning stages of writing some really cool ship. Man, writing

Man.

We support you.

Man.

Suspicious that you haven't been here sooner, but that is suspicious. You know, I'm gonna take your head.

A different product.

Ain't no product. Baby, You're gonna see a lot of.

A lot of in Brazil.

Hello, this is.

He speaks Spanish.

I know that.

On the shoulders.

Baby.

Okay, uh you you're killing them. Man, you gonna keep you. It's amazing, amazing things for you. Hopefully you know, we'll get to be able to do some cool work with you. Man sitting in the room and just I.

Don't know how let the same background man ship have fun that. You know.

You don't want that. You don't want that because it's get different. This is illegal in eight countries.

You can't.

They don't even let me burn this. Motherfucking sir. It's stan Bull. Can't go right, just trying to let you know. But thank you, brother. I really got to say that, man, because you know, it's a it's a shortage of of of truly talented people that are standing on it, you know what I mean. The compromise is real. Ultimately, people want to make money, they want to live, they want to be in in the know in the now, and it's a long road to be talented in today's time.

Thank you. Lit. My name is Tank Valentine.

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