Jordin Sparks

just want to stop there and introduced spark. Yeah. Yeah, but definitely has to be one of the best intros I've ever had. Intros. I'm good, I'm really good. How are you guys, I'm awesome. I want to I want to start this. I want to start this pod by by telling a story. Okay, okay, Um, you're a you're a very popular singer. Extremely thank you, and sometimes that can be confused with pop as if you aren't urban, right, Okay, yeah, once you coming to a club in knowledge, you're just

chilling your business. We hosted you know our people down to knowls. You know who you are? Ye look at you and I say, if the largest laces on your heart to come on up on this stage, you know, just hang out with us. You ain't gotta sing, You ain't gotta you ain't. There was a lot of festivities. There was a lot of festivities going on, and Joan, you proceeded to walk on this stage, you know, in your in your shy dashful kind of way. You use your shy dashful really not you're you're you're dope at

it right. No, it's not me, it's you. Oh God. And you know, a lot of us had grabbed the microphones and sang, you know, and sang our hearts out, and we had who we had all night? Who? Yeah? And you came on that stage and you started singing, and everybody in that love Casino, whatever that room was that we was in, said what they start without fut They started out on yeah moment she got that, And I'm like this, good, Oh you ain't you ain't my

dog and everything my dog do. The whole thing you were just you are just an incredible talent, no matter the room, no matter the setting, no matter the demographic, the gift gonna show up, the gift, thank you. It's just it's just is what it is. So I just wanted to. That's what we wanted to give you, you know, the respect and the love and the flowers that go along with it. Any room, don't get it twisted. Get a twisted old Martin Luther the Cave or suns that

plus or Rodeo, you gonna go crazy. Thank you. I really appreciate that I received that because it's it's definitely a gift. It really is a gift. I was born with it. There's nobody in my family that really sings like me. Yet we might have some you know, my nieces, my my nieces and djamily. I mean, we have musical people in my family. So like my uncle was in a band and my nana played piano. Everybody played piano. My grandpa played the organ, like, so we have musical talent.

My dad said he was in choir, but I've never heard him singing seriously enough to like be able to. Yeah, but music is well loved in my family, for sure, But nobody somebody was just getting choir because girls a day. Yeah, yeah, I'll set them talking to my son. I know why you got inquired. I'm like you, I got it a lot for it a choir. We'll talk about it. So so let's go back to that. Let's go back to the to the beginning to where you know you have

this musical family. Um, but then but then there's you and everyone's looking at you like, well, where did that come from? Yeah? I mean I knew at seven that music and singing was what I wanted to do. I knew in seven. Yeah, yeah, I knew at seven. And I that was also because I started realizing that when I would sing, people would be like, oh my gosh,

like that's really good. But I realized that it wasn't in the way that it was towards little kids when you kind of, you know, you you encourage them all the time, you know, just because um, but they really were meaning what they were saying, like yes, You're voice is really good. And I was like, oh okay, yeah, and I loved doing it. So I just started singing. And then American Idol came on. I watched Kelly Clarkson win,

and I got I just was so excited. I watched her and I just remember looking at my mom saying, I want to do that, not necessarily idle, because I had no one knew it was going to be around for as long as it's been around, but I just the emotion she was she was singing, she was she was choked up and she was singing and everybody watching her was just looking at her with awe and the Prioro Technicus going and people were clapping, and I just loved the emotion and how charged it was being on

stage and the ability to sing a song and to change somebody like that. And I knew that that's what I wanted to do, and so at I think I was eleven or twelve, and I was like, I want to do that, mom, And she goes, Okay, well, if that's what you want to do, i'll help you get there. But you have to do your side of it. You know, it's going to be a lot of work. But it wasn't like work to me. I couldn't wait to get out of school so I could sing, you know what I mean? So, UM did all that? I grew up

in church singing in church. Yeah, I sang in church. Um. I wasn't able to join the choir um in the big church, but I could sing the solo and have the choir back me. So that was wait what Yeah? It was well, because you couldn't there was a certain age, I couldn't be in it because I was too young. So I was singing in the big church at like twelve, but I couldn't be in the choir. I was in high school worship though I was doing like junior high in high school worship as well, so it was like

I couldn't sing the solo, but you were too young. Christmas, it was Christmas and Easter. You know, Jesus born on this day, so they let you rock. Yeah, So I rocked it. I brought the house down. And then guys, we have a special guest for you guys right here high students. Yeah, but it was fun, I know, but no, just a little special guest. But it was where are you at this time? I was in Arizona, Arizona. Grew up in Glendale, Arizona, and so I went to that church and then I did that for a while, and

I did local stuff. There was this place called Mister Lucky's that was a country western bar, and they had a family fish fry Friday. Sorry it's hard to say, um, but they had a competition there every Friday for the kids. So everybody would calm families and their kids, and um, I would compete in this competition and I won. I came back the next week and I won, and I

came back the next week and I won. And I came back the next week and they were like, all right, so were you one of those people that would acts of frised after you in the third? They were really good, Gus, there were kids. You never knew. It was different. I guess I was the only person who kept but there were different There were different were different people. So well they did was They tould me aside and they said, okay,

look it's it's not fair. Um, so what we what we're going to do instead is you can sing with the house band. Yeah. And so you're born and raised in Arizona. So was your dad did? He played for the Cardinals. He was that why you were there. He played for the Giants. So my parents met in Phoenix. Um, they both went to Arizona State University. That's when my dad went to college. He was drafted out of there

in nineteen ninety two to the Giants. And so during the season we would move to New Jersey and the off season we'd come back to Phoenix. And when he retired, we came back to Phoenix. So Arizona was really my main constant, whereas I love New Jersey and I love the Tri State area, but I was always changing schools. I was always the new kid. I was, you know,

I was always trying to do something new. I couldn't really like plant any roots there, but Arizona, I went back to the same school, I saw the same friends, my family was there. So um that t work, but I definitely think that helped prepare me for what I do now. That's why I was going to ask you just to move around and new friends, new schools. Yeah, because we people don't realize in this business, there's so many people that are coming and going at all times.

There's even if you're at a label, still people coming and going. It's it's not it's not like that. It's very rare that you find someone who's been at the same job for thirty years in the music business. They may be you know, they may be still being a music business, but there'll be at different companies. It might you know, it just moves around, and I think sometimes that's that's a little difficult for people to deal with who haven't experienced that, especially before they get into the

music business. You know, so for you as a kid, you know you're moving around, you know you're changing schools, you gotta make new friends. It's kind of preparing you for what's coming in a sense. Yeah. No, I definitely think that it helped me m just because you walk into different rooms all the time and you never knew who's gonna be in there, and you never know what's going to come out of going into that certain room, whether it's a meeting or it's a gallo, or it's

an event or it's a party. You know, every time you go in there's somebody that you don't know. Um, and so you have to have kind of this ability to not necessarily kind of be a chameleon but not changing who you are, but being able to like, oh okay, I can I can rock with this room. Oh okay,

I can rock with this one too. And I think that's it's a special gift and talent as in and of itself to be able to do that, because it can be really hard, like you said, if you're not used to constantly seeing new faces and new people and doing things like that. And also with my dad being who he was, you know, he was in the spotlight and we were kind of on the outside. Yeah, we were on the outside. So for me, I got to watch him interact with his fans. I saw how he

did his interviews. I you know, saw how people loved him. My dad has this special ability to just make you feel like you've been best friends, like yeah, yeah, you guys would get along really well, you guys would really get along, but um yeah. And so I watched him do that, and I he made everybody feel so special, and that's what I want to do whenever I have

an interaction with my fans. Sometimes I don't want to do it, but I do it anyway because it takes much longer to say no and explain why you don't want to take the picture and la da da da, instead of just being like okay and just just just to look at it. Yeah, I mean like it. It takes two seconds. Most of the time. There are those moments where people want to start sharing their stories and stuff,

which is fine if I have the time. I love to listen and you know whatever it is, um, but I never want to be that person who they're like, don't meet your idol, so your favorite people, you know. So I'm I'm always thinking about that I do have my moments though. If I'm sitting down and eating, I'm like, I will politely be like, well, after I'm done eating, I would love to take a picture with you. And their response is up to them at that point, so I can go either way. Yeah, I had it either way.

We just kind of thinking into that picture. Well, it was two pieces. First, I was gonna say, I knew you would. I knew you probably were able to see things at a different level because of your father being at the pinnacle of a thing, you know what, he's in professional sports, know, so those rooms for him, it's real rooms. You're in those rooms, so you're able to

see that move around and understand those movements. But going back to the sitting down eating food, I'm just I'm just wondering, Yes, if in twenty twenty three, if people haven't figured out don't do that. No, I think it's worse now, to be honest, I'm eating. I think it's more so instead of respecting your time, they're thinking about the time they have, like can I wait for this person to finish? Which is you know, which is their

own selfishness? Right? That's you know, because anything when you're when you're getting into someone's space. That's your own selfishness. But I think in the mind, it's like, all right, this nigga eating slow to desert, you know, and you know, and it's one of those things where people feel like, I may never run across this person again. This is my opportunity. Let's see if it's if it's that right, if it's that thing where you may never get this

opportunity again. Don't like that, don't right, right, because I'm okay with when you finish eating or get a second. Yeah, yeah, my wife, My wife would love to I said, I got you, I got you. I love to eat. You know what I'm saying, like I love food, Yes, yes, speaks to me. Yeah, Like and I'm having I'm having an intimate moment when I have a meal like this is not it's not regular. Yes, the relationship you are interrupting snacks is talking snags that I love that. Ye.

Here we go. Um, So I just had to touch on because I just think that you know, it's like you said, you may never When you're in a position where you may never be in that space again, you want to make the most of that space. You do want to Yeah, I get it, okay, I had somebody. I literally was sitting I was sitting down eating by myself, and I was like in a little booth situation, and somebody just slid in right next to me and started talking,

and I was like, that was your plus one. Literally, I was just like hi, I didn't know what to say. I was in such shocked like I'm normally though, like you know, at the table right there, but no, this person just slid right in started talking like we had known each other for years. And I was like, I literally I did not know what to do in that moment. I don't even remember what I did. And then there was another time I was with my mom and her best friends essentially like my mom number two, and we

were out sitting. It was just me and the girls, and this lovely lady pulled up her chair and just sat down and started chatting with us and like reaching over and like she got yeah, and we were like excuse me, and I exactly, and I couldn't say anything because I was like exactly, but she had an attitude When we asked her to leave, she got an attitude because we were like, we don't know you, and you

don't know us, like you don't just people forget. They just forget, you know, with babies and celebrities, people just they just forget. It's I think it's another layer deeper than that, because some people feel like they really know you yeah yeah, and they don't know how to act outside of that. They see you, they've read about you, they've listened to you, like oh shit, what and they just and they just jump right in yeah, like because I'm I've done that before where I think I know people.

Are you done it to people too? I've done it to people too, because I'm like a fan of people. You know, Oh shit, I already known man, you man, you man, what's up with you? Baby? Like what were you doing? We kill training that dam And I'll be thinking I know him and I don't. I've never because I've never thought I know because I got like a photographic memory like it. So like I'll be scrolling on the ground or whatever, like you know what I'm saying.

Like sometimes you go down a rabbit hole and just dive in. Oh yeah, and I'm really locked in and I'll see a person I saw this, this, this, this, Hey, how's your kids doing? And I compect myself at home. You know what, say you got your basketball right like you, I got a guy, you know what, I really show what I'm like. So but it's a little bit different because you get you get a little grace because you were also in the same I get a little great but I'm still kind of doing it. Get a little

bit again. I understand the mindset of seeing somebody that you really think, you know, you know me and him. It's always funny with us because he's doing that and I'm like, you don't know him, You're just in the back. But the funny thing is, I know they know who he is that whole day, but we're like being a basketball game. But oh, you know, that's chief or we'll walk away and Jay bad, who's that? I don't know? Oh I do that a lot. I don't mean to,

but I do that a lot too. He just he just looked like somebody yeah, and that's just like, yeah, that happened the other day and we were driving. I don't know, I was talking to this person and he goes, who was that? I said, I don't know, I don't remember. I can't hide it on my face. So they always you don't remember me? I don't. We meet a lot of people. It's really hard at this I don't feel as embarrassed as I used to when people would say that, like you don't really remember me, and I'd be like,

you know what, honest thing, I don't. I'm so sorry. I gotta get better of that because I just like saying I remember faces. I might not know exactly where we met, but I'll be like, you got you got a mom, right, Mom, don't you can somewhere you get you like basketball? Right? Yeah, you got the outfit. I did all those kind of competition things leading up to Idol, and then I auditioned and my auditioned here in Pasadena and I was up at two am. I was in

line with everybody. Everybody's singing for hours before we even get let in. And it was at the Rose Bowls. There's like fifteen thousand people that are there. And I go in and I auditioned. There were four of us in a row, and it's like we stepped forward, step back, step forward, step back, and I sang my song and she was like, Okay, well it's not gonna this is the end of the road for you guys, blah blah and I was like, oh, okay, well, is there any

like advice you can give me? We're not allowed to give advice. And I was like, okay, she wasn't. She was a kind of a judge. She it was. So the way they do it, I guess I can say this now Kispence Long. But the way they do it is you auditioned in the stadiums. They have a whole bunch of tents set up at the bottom on the field and it's like four two a table, so you have okay, if there's I don't know, there's two a table, so you've got you've got ten of those and then

four people. So you got forty people auditioning and they all stand up one one at a time, and there's like either one or two people sitting at the table and they're involved with the show in some way, so they may be an EP, or they may be somebody around the back or somebody like that, because Simon Randan and Paula we're not going to sit there fifteen thousand people,

but let's just be um. So that's like the first round that they kind of go through, and then there's another one and then another one, and then you get to the judges. So is pretty much what she told you exactly. She was like, we're good, thanks, and I was like okay, um, And I remember people throwing tantrums on the ground actually, like when I was walking out, because they would cut off your wristband. And for some people, twenty eight was the age limit. They that was it,

like they could never audition again. And so you could audition up until twenty eight. Yeah, as many times as you want. Um, it depends on how far. I think. If you get to the top ten, you can't audition again. But top ten and under or before that, I think you can say no, no, no, no, I'm about to say it. Somebody's getting bad keep calling you. But yeah, so I went back home. I did a localized version

of American Idol called Arizona Idol. All the Fox affiliates at the time, we're doing that because Fox was a sponsor of the show at the time, And um, I won that, and the prize for that was being sent to the next nearest audition city, and so I won a ticket to Seattle the same season and that's where I made it. And yeah, there as so you go to this one and don't make the cut, go back home, same program, win it, and then go to Seattle and get it cracking. Yeah who, I mean, maybe you don't know,

but who is the person I'm trying to see? If she read, if she ran into the hayter too? Yeah, did you have your stare? No? I remember, I remember, I remember. I know exactly what this person looks like, I know their name, I know the whole thing. But when I got back to the show, they were not there. So that tells you there's that. I don't know if that had anything to do with me or not. So you let her go, but it's okay, we're gonna let you go. Maybe that could have been how it went.

That's that's the story from R and B Money. Everybody has to have their villain story, sure, and that was your villain story. I I definitely think it taught me a lot in perseverance though, truly, because like and especially in this industry, well, yeah, we get told no all the time. We get told no all the time, every day.

It's not just before you make it, it's while you make it, when you make it, as you keep making it, like you're always told no. And I think that was a really big lesson for me, although I wasn't thinking about it at the time. I just was like, I'm not going to stop singing. I'm just gonna keep singing. And I was like, I can audition again because I

was the youngest you could be at the time. I was like, I was just audition again next year, onwards and forwards, you know, to doing the other things, and you know, doing that led me to being able to make it back because if I didn't, I would have never won that competition. I would have never gone to Seattle, I would have never gotten the ticket, and I would have never made it on the show. Do you feel like it kicks you into overdrive to a certain degree or you was just like this is what it is.

Or do you feel like did you have those like I said at that villain moment? Were you like, you know what, I'm gonna see you again, I'll see you again. I thought that when after we left, because I figured that that person would be around here if I auditioned again.

Um So I did walk into the building after I made it, thinking that that person is going to be around and they weren't there, and I secretly was like, okay, but I think that you know that ultimately speaks to just you know, the next generation of people who are coming up, who really want to do this. Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean, Like you gotta keep pushing, you gotta keep chopping. I keep pushing. Yeah. And there's always if a door is closed, there's always a window.

There's a sliding glass door, there's a basement, there's a chimney. Jay always says this, you only need one yes, Yeah, you need and more. Now that yes is more available than it's ever been. When you started. That wasn't That wasn't the case. You couldn't just go make some content get cracking. You literally had to wait on the next thing to a different city to it. You know what

I mean. Now it's like I don't. I don't. I honestly don't understand talented people that don't get cracking now in some capacity, for sure, you know what I mean, because you just don't have any hustle, right because now literally you can wake up in your room and say, Okay, can I make in this room to look like something? And how can I sing such and such a song or singing my own song that I just gonna make people pay attention to me. Yeah, Okay, that one didn't go.

You know what, I'm gonna do one thousand more, yes, and hopefully somebody will see me. And it's like, you can cheat. You can do the analytic on the songs that get the most traction when you sing in a certain city, a certain time, but a certain time in which day. Yeah, yeah, the data is incredible. We're doing that now, Like even you have to you have to roll with the times. Even though sometimes I feel a little left behind. I'm like, what is that? What? Wait?

I'm ah, what, But I do think there's You're right, there's so much opportunity for people. And that's how I felt at the time as well, not necessarily because of the times, because it was different, but there were thirty five million people watching us twice a week every week while I was on the show, and so my whole mindset was, Okay, I want I want to win. Obviously, I want to win, so many variables have to line up for that to happen. But if I can get to the top ten, you know, I'll be on live

television in front of thirty five million people. If I get tenth, I'm still winning, how am I? And that's my mindset because I know there are a lot of people that didn't really have the greatest experience with the show. Everybody's got a different perspective. I had a great time with the show. But that's what I always looked at. I was like, you can't be mad if you're not. You have all these people who know you now, and if nothing's happening, you have to look at like what

are you doing? Take that? Yeah, you can take that for sure. Last was half full. Yeah, and you can have a whole career. You could tour, you can do everything with those that many eyes. And now it's exemplified, exemplified. Wait a minute, No, that's a church word. Amplified, thank you. It is amplified a million times that it was. Then because you can do a TikTok and you can have a million views in an hour. Yeah, Like it's just insane.

What are your nerves? Like, what do you mean on the show thirty How do you think it's thirty five million people? Yes, but I was excited for that. I wanted you were ready, Yeah, I wanted that. She was already hammed up, she was already it's just thirty five. I was still nervous, Like it was still like, you know, nerve racking to go out there, but at the same time, it was more the waiting and the lead up to getting on the stage, because once I on the stage,

that's where everything makes sense to me. Everything everything goes like this. So that part is fine. I get nervous before and I'll start I get really shaky after I get off stage, but when I'm on stage, nothing insot me. When I'm on the just Idol in general, yeah, it was a lot. There was definitely a lot. I feel like American Idol was the boot camp that everybody pretty much needs to go through for the industry and also

for media training as well. So the schedule typically on my season, because I don't know what it is now, I'm sure it's even crazier, but for my season, it was Monday, we woke up and we recorded the full length version of the song we were going to sing on Tuesday, because that was the first year that they put the singles on iTunes that of what we sang

on the show. So Monday we would wake up and do that, and then it was rehearsal and possibly getting close and a little bit of like downtime because the show was on Tuesday. Tuesday was show day. You wake up at five am, go there, everybody gets ready, you do a full dress rehearsal. Then you do a full live show. Wednesday, do the same thing again and then there's a live show. But then somebody gets kicked off, until you're all emotional. Thursday, you're still emotional because your

friend just got kicked off. Thursday, it's first come, first served for the new theme of the week, and then you have to pick the songs and it's whoever gets them in emailed in to the person gets first, first come, first serve. UM. So I would take like five songs and I'd be like, but I want all of these and these are my options, and that's what I would

go for. UM. I had twice. There were two weeks where somebody asked me for the song that I wanted to sing and I was like, okay, okay, you can have it, so yeah, yes, but they were like, please, I don't know any other song whatever they said, and I was like, all right, cool, I can I can

sing another one, no problem. UM. So we did that and then a Friday would be the same, be shopping, trying to figure out what we're wearing all of that stuff, and then Saturday was, yeah, they would take us, so you can kind of now you're starting to find your own style too. Yes, yes, you're trying to like figure out everything because now they have style lists that like that will constantly be around you early early on. We

didn't get that until Top twelve. So everything you saw up until Top twelve was just what we had in our suitcases, you know, just what we had, and so they had the person there helping us, but we ultimately had to pick everything because they didn't want anybody to be able to come back and say, well, they told me to do this, they told me to sing that. All of the decisions definitely fell back on us, which

makes sense. And then Saturday was the the mentor shoot, so they would have, like Top twelve, we had Diana Ross, so I know, it was incredible. We had Diana Ross and she the shoot is basically all day because we're on their schedule and their time, so sometimes we would start right on time. Sometimes people's flights would be delayed or different things like that, we'd still had to just be in the spot that whole hurry up and wait situation.

So we did that all Saturday, which was kind of exhausting, and then on Sunday. Ford was a sponsor of the show, so we would shoot a car commercial for Ford on Sundays and then Monday we wake up and do the song, Tuesday do the show. Yeah, so you learn real quick like and that was all here. So it also was a change to have to do that like that everywhere else. And that was once you got into the top twelve top Yeah. Top twelve was when we had the mentors

and we started the Ford shoots and the whole thing. Yeah, win does when does a business start? Because at a certain top what that they top ten, top ten, they signed everybody right m top ten. They basically it was they put us in a room and said here's this is the lawyer he told us about like bullet points and then they were like, you need to sign this or you can't continue in the competition. And do you

and does anyone have a lawyer present? No? One not at that time though, so you literally I didn't know any different and I don't think any I don't think any anybody else, honestly, don't think at that point you have a choice. No, No, no no, you don't. But it's not so with there people that were in that room with you that were like I can't sign that. Was there was there anyone that was just like, I'm not signing.

I don't remember really, it's kind of vague, but I do remember feeling like all of us felt a little weird signing it, but then knowing that we could potentially be off the Yeah, potentially. No, it's like you either sign it or no. And so it was like, oh, they put you in the situation to really be like this could this could change my entire life exactly, This could change my entire life, um, And so we signed it. But yeah, all of us signed it, so that under directs.

If I wish, I would have know, but but it wasn't. It wasn't too I mean, because I won, it definitely benefited me. It was different, UM. And there were two two different contracts because it was the label contract and that I was signed with nineteen Entertaining as well, So

there was like this dual thing happening. UM. But basically they had the option to manage the top ten UM, but it was up to them they could or they had a management production DIP DIP dip dip dip, Yes, lock it up literally, yes, But okay, so we also like to give the other side. We always like to give the other side and have a true understanding of the business and with people walking when people walk into

knowingly and unknowingly. Yes, but then give you know, the balance, because this is also a show that it's supplying everything you need to become successful in the music. Yes, they're supplying everything everything. There is no manager, there is no agency, there is no producer, there's nothing else attached to you as the artist but American Idol, and they're building every

single thing that will be a part of you. Yeah, so you know it sounds crazy, like you know, we make jokes about it like, oh my god, they got they got everything. But they're supplying everything as well. Yeah, you know, they're giving you a platform. They're put you in front of thirty five million people weekly. I signed the track twice seventy million. I wasn't nobody in front of nobody. I just signed it. They signed this champ.

I hope we do something. I hope we do something to no. So you know, I also want to point that out. Yeah, obviously, you know that's a tough spot to be in for a creative and for an artist to to where it's literally like sign it or get on, I get about it here. That's tough, yes, but that opportunity in itself, you have to start weighing it out of Okay, what else could I do that could put me in this position? At the time, there wasn't anything

like that. There was I mean, still isn't really anything like that that that sets you up that way, right, I mean, I'm still Look, it's it'll be sixteen years, yeah, sixteen years since I won. That was in two thousand and seven, and I still and I'm like, I still have there are people I feel like, I feel like but I still have people that come up to me and they remember like specific performances that I did. I still have people come up to me that are just

like we toured. We like there were people that followed us on tour, Like I saw the same people like every day on tour. They would drive and follow you. Super fans exactly, yeah, and like and all of us in the top ten had our own fans like that. We all had our own fan bases. And I don't know if there's anything I mean, I guess you get. It's just a different type of fan base with like TikTok and stuff like that. I feel like with Idol

because people really did get to know me. They got to know me every single week, and then they they voted, they had to we were invested. It was it was calling numbers. Yes, so that's how they made that break too, though, six six Idol zero six. I will never forget. I will never forget. My audition number was prison number right now, the same thing, zero zero six. All the numbers, you know,

ain't nothing but a number. We got six bring them in. Um. But yeah, so it was it was, it was really it was just really a time, truly, it really was. And my season I think season six and season seven were the peak of the show then, um, and it just was it was nun you won what season did you win? Season six? Yeah? So you were six number six, number six one season six? Yeah, how here you go these numbers? Yeah? Yes, and I was sixteen. Addition, oh

my god, oh my god. Listen, Lebron thirty eight thirty six points to surpass Kareem scored thirty eight thirty eight years after Kareem. This is what's happening right here. The real six guy re six. Thank you so much. So I'm playing Roulette number one, sixteen and six, Yes, yes, my new number. And we're yelling, Jordan Spark, were yelling, go ahead, spend it, Joe Hey, hopefully I'll give you

a little bit of luck. Listen, definitely want that w No Air, Yes, because No Air obviously was a record that you know, we were very familiar with because it came out of a house that we were part of helping and we're part of and building with. You know, all the amazing writers and producers that were there and that record. James from Leroy, James from Shout Out to You, James, my dog. My dog used to walk around the building with a backpack with his imaginary friend in it named boo. Oh.

He still does he still has the backpack you already know. Yeah, this is this is this is early early, no records placed, No I mean just pure gift, pure talent. When I heard that record, shout out Bluetooth, shout out Damon, shout out Harvey, like shout out the guys. Like. When I heard that record, I was like, this is different. How post to Brieven, No Air, No air. No, No, Like that record was really really special and hearing you on that song was like, oh it's this is a matchmate

in heaven. Literally that record was so special when it came at such a great time for you, and putting Chris on the record was just like, Okay, this is this, this doesn't matter, but this doesn't make any sense, like this is just and it just like it was. I think that record had all of the elements. Yeah you know what I mean of you as a as a pure singer, but also um as a but as a teenager too, as a teenager, but also as a big singer. Yeah. Yeah,

it was a power record record. You gave us the you gave us the technical like I really do this, you know, all through the verses and all through the things, and like no, no, I'm really good at this. You know you heard it too. But then you went to but you know, I've also sang in front of thirty five million people. Always always a man yeah people, Oh you okay, got it? But you did. I'm ready, I'm ready, I'm ready. It was definitely a moment and it was like it was like I'm a I'm a live performer.

That's my thing. You know what I'm saying, nothing like it. I'm always like, how is that gonna translate live? Because that is a lot of information on that damn record that I've seen a lot of singers who are good singers try to recreate, you know, they're outstanding on record moments and crash and burn. Not because they're not good singers. It's just that when you're recording a record, it's different than performing a record. Yeah, you get rest time, you

get water in between. Hey man, take a five minute, Take a five minutes. We're gonna get some lunch. Just we'll get back to it. I'm you know what, we're tired. Tomorrow's today. You get all that. But again, going back to New Orleans, like in your in your chest bear flat footed, yea, probably actually top to bottom. That's really disrespectful. Love it, Yes, I love disrespect you know obviously, I'm always somewhere in the corner. I'm like, I was my

hands got off sweaty. I was like, oh my god, he put me on the spocket cooking you just I mean, so how big? How big was that record? Or is that record? Because we speak in the present, as my brother Rico love how big, big is that record. It is UM in two thousand and while it is the present, but in two thousand and eight it was. It was so close to being It should have been the number one song of the year by two hundred spins two who bought them, other two hundred who bought them two hundred.

You know, we're gonna talk about who beat you, whatever, whatever, whatever. The song that came in front of me was massive as well, UM, which was Bleeding Love by Leona Lewis, who also was it was the winner of X Factor the same year I was the winner of Idol, So it was really crazy how all that worked. Yeah, shout out to Leona. I love her. UM. But that song is definitely my biggest song to date, and it is.

It just passed the four million Like UM singles come on four million singless, but the streams streams is probably somewhere else. Yeah, it's I know the video is at like three hundred million. I think a little bit over that, but it's like the numbers are huge, Like I look at it and I'm like, I can't even believe that, Like this is the stuff that I've done. But that song, like it's a living song. You know it like it.

It took on a whole life of its own without Chris and I performing it or doing any promo for it. We did it one time in two thousand and eight, and we just performed it again last year in August for the first time you have since I have only performed it twice twice ever ever, So the first time is where is that on? Item was on American Idol during the promo week right before it came out, we performed it on stage. And then fast forward, I got to perform it with him at his his last concert

of his Under the Influence tour fourteen years in August. Yeah, it was awesome. It was so good. I was so happy that it happened. It was It was crazy getting there. Shout out to Dana because he called everybody and like tried to We tried to make it work and figure it out. And he he does this thing at the end where he puts up all his like classics that everybody knows and loves, and then he has the audience, you know, clap and whichever one they clap for the most,

he'll sing. Because it was his last show, I think he just was like, I'm gonna do everything. So he was singing all of them, and I was like, Okay, I don't know if this is going to happen or not. And so I walked down there and I was like, okay, I have of my in ears and I just need to I brought what Okay, I brought them with me. Stay ready, so you don't have to get rid of Okay, yeah, I don't have but if I did, you feel me

go ahead. Yeah. So I was like, I have my ears, give me a pack on the microphone, and I will just wait and if he calls out the song, I'm here, like I'm ready to do it. And so I'm standing there like, oh, I don't know if it's going to happen or not. We'll see. Because the LA show he didn't do No Air and so um I was not. I wasn't there at that show, but I was heard from people who went, all my friends who went, but they didn't do this. He didn't do the song because

the audience wanted something else. And so I was like, Okay, this might happen, this might not. And so they you know, there's somebody on the side in his ears and say, hey, Chris Jordan's here. He turned us out what and he looked at me and I was like, oh good, he's happy to see me now, like you had to crash your stage right because I was like, this could I think? I think this will be good. And he lit up

and he was so excited. I ran up there and it was such a cool moment, like to be able to sing that, and especially because you know, when we recorded the song, we were kids. We were seventeen years old, and I didn't know anything about like that kind of love, like a relationship kind of love. So I was singing from the perspective of losing like my friends or my family. Yeah. Um. And so to go from then to now we have kids,

got kids or all they're like, yeah, there's there. It was different and it was different to sing from that space. So I hope we get to do it again. I would love to do that again. But yeah, that was a really cool moment. I've heard new music. Okay, snap, I've heard new music. Oh yeah, yeah, that's right, that's right. Um, I heard new music. When when are we going to get the goods music? So literally the last two weeks have been trying to figure out which songs are going

to make the album. You saw the list. The list is extensive and very long. It's now up to one sixty three sixty three. I want to take people on an experience, you know, like I want to be able to sing the type of music that I want to sing, and they all might be different, because you heard there's pieces of everything I r and be over here. I got pop over here, I got singer, songwriter, I have acoustic, I have ballads of a piano ballad, power anthems like I have all of them, and that's all a part

of me as well. So, um, we're in the process of picking all of the songs for the album so it can come out by May Come Home. May is the goal. May is the goal. Um, I gotta shoot the movie in the middle of all this, so we'll figure it out. But um, that is the goal for that, and we're trying to also correlate it with a tequila launch. Um. Okay, yes, tequila ain't tequila man, Tequila man in the body, that's what they call me mad Tequila. No, they don't do. Can't give the name of it yet, but um, is

it gonna be tequila mane. That would be a good one, though. You should do that, I should do that. However, we can do it. Go ahead, don't nobody still so right? I'm working on a bunch of different things, you know, I think for all of us it's almost like a not a trigger phrase, but I feel like people say it a lot now, but generational wealth. Really trying to Now that I'm able to do so many things now, I have to figure out what things are going to be the most beneficial for me and for my family,

so that my ceiling is my son's floor. You've given us so many bars and so much life today. Oh thanks you guys too. I love I love seeing you guys. Where are we going? Come on, man, be talented? Tequila Maine, Yeah, Tequila Maine. Jordan. Top five, you're top five, take it back back to the top. Okay, you're top five? R and D, R and B saves. Who are you called nut juice? Who are you called nut Juiceall your top top deep dive? I don't bosto, Bye bye you top

fin with the breadth of the end. Whoa He learned that at his IDOL audition. He did listen all we can't give you any advice? Can you? Cain't got nothing for you, Okay, top five. I wrote it down on my phone because I just wanted to be I have more than five unfortunately, Um Whitney Houston kick it off, definitely kick off, kick it off, Mariah Carey. Those two women I listened to my entire life growing up, and when you hear the new music, you definitely can hear

the influence from them. Um. I know this is three people, but Boys to Men four collectively as a group one oh four you righte, you rite you right? Four four four you right? But boys Boys to Men is definitely up there. Michael Jackson, Smokey Robinson, an usher, m I gotta throws in there. I know it's more than five two three four group. Okay, now that that's a lot. That's a lot. Although I have the same for my

top rby song. So get ready, you know, let's get to it, because I feel like, let's go, come on, okay ready. Um Earth song is one of my favorite songs by Michael, just the emotion, the feeling and everything. Man in the Mirror obviously Dirty Diana my faves three songs in one that was three of Michael's because he's the king. So I just felt like I can put all this we belong together. I carry love that song. It came out at such a pivotal time in my life,

like like core memories to that song. Um water runs dry? Yeah, I love that song. My dad used to sing it around the house like so, I just I remember him singing it, remember listening to it? Could he sing it? Could he sing it? I mean he was joking around when you sing it, and he would always sing it to my mom, he like, don't do it, joding like exactly that was, And then um, I want to dance

with somebody. I feel like that was such a pivotal song because it brought so much of the pop elements into her huge voice, and I feel like that really helped pave the way for a lot of like what we're doing now, and especially someone like me who loves both sides of it, you know, um and then burn uh sure, And the last one is it's not five, but the last one is you Actually your cover of I Can't Make You Love Me is one of my favorite songs. You sing that song. Yeah, I don't even

know what to even say. You using that song so beautifully, like he's on our playlist. Look he got tears in his eyes. Oh sorry, No, it's a great it's a great song. We had it on our playlist, like, we played it all the time. It's one of my favorites. So I had to put you in shout out to shout out to Craig count Man. I had to Craig count who said, take you know, you should, you should visit this song, you should visit just a little visit. And I knew it. I knew the song and no

idea what the song was. Really. I've known that song for a really long time. So when I found your version, I was like, Bonnie Raid is my favorite version. Yeah, her version, it's so beautiful. It's just it's it. It's the song. Yeah, it's what the song was meant to be. Yeah, And we all kind of do our best at you know, trying to capture that, you know, capture that, you know what I'm saying, like like ten remakes of that. I was trying to figure out how to have my own

moment with it. But every time I sing it live, I always revert back to her version. It's hard. I never seen my version of the song. I just like saying, Gods, people they think it's tanks, so they kind of do think it's my song when you're down in the delta, down you down to delta? Yeah, yeah, wrote produce everything. I'm like, great, I never heard of right, Like, you know what, don't worry about it. It's me, that's yeah. So sorry. I know I have a hard time getting

anything down to under five. So it's it's fine, it's fun. It's just why I'm having such a hard time choosing. It's so hard to get it under so hard. You really awesome? Okay, Um, we're gonna build a voltron here. Okay, okay, A perfect in your world, the perfect singer. Oh okay, you know what I'm saying. We want to know who are you going to get the vocal from? Who are you going to get the performance style from, the styling and the passion of that artist. Yeah, let's get into it.

Who are you going to get the vocal from? Only one? Probably Whitney. Definitely Whitney, I mean definitely Whitney Houston. Yeah, so vocals from Whitney, okay. And performance style, performance style, Michael definitely Michael's. I mean he could just walk out onto the stage and it was commanded. You know what. I mean presence was just different. Yeah. Yeah, his presence was everything it was. It was like it was like he was nice but he was mean. Yeah, Spad, you

know that was great. He had this, he had this. I'm about the fuck shit U up ye stance look respect respectfully, no, dad, well disrespectful you know what I'm saying. But he had it on him. Yeah yeah, Like I know he's not a gang member. There's pictures, but I feel I feel like there might have been jumped in. I feel like I got a couple of chrip hommers. Man, they think they think Michael was part of the claiming.

Now we put my con We put him on like but you're twenty three, bro, Yeah, we put him on. Um case we have vocal presence, performance style, styling, styling hut that. I mean honestly, if I could dress the way that Chris dresses, I would, so I would say Chris Brown styling. I think, yeah, everything flying, even built a house that's a closet next to his house. I try not to. I try not to take tank thing dealing because I can figure some of those stealing or

he don't really stick. It's Chris, give it to him. But I call it stealing. It's kind of still yeah, borrow it and didn't ask for I put it off like man, Chris Show, that's the way to do. This is crazy. Got a scent on the clothes, and I would pick up with the tag still on the man. This is crazy. I know you can't wear this no more. I ain't watch it. That's crazy. You should let dollars jacket. What you're gonna do, I'm not. Don't let you take

a hold. He gave me. He gave me a yre cell jacket, a fir yre cell jacket that has gotten a video two. Let's go. I would do the same thing to another finger. I was groping up a woman's like, like like how Jordan doing together? Okay, all right? Passion the heart of the artists. The fine will be out there sweating. Well, I mean, I don't know if it's sweating, but I feel like, because he's had such a long career and has written so much, I would say, smoky,

smokey Robinson's passion. I don't think smokey sweaty. Don't he too fea, He's not gonna sweat. I mean he you know, he gonna sing about some gang bang but he ain't going man doing that dope, smoking nuts, smoking nuts, smoke doing that wrong. That's a thing. I'm not gonna let you do that. Kang bang. That's a gang bang king banging. He's still out there doing it, cooking was fries them. It's all lives smoking me. Sorry that it's come to this. This was a respectable thing that I was saying. But

you know, smokey fashion, no smoke's cold. I can say nothing bad. But that's that's an amazing vultry. That's that's an amazing, amazing Okay, we really are you really singing? Now? See where she went? M you see where she went. I heard it. I ain't saying no nick names, no name when you was was weird, but you did don't say she said he here? Okay that you should definitely like record that. Keep that used that. Don't anybody take that it takes don't take it. That was great. That

was great. Okay, enough, blow your head out. Oh my god, I have to deal with this guy. Man tell her Jo laughs all day. So, yes, you heard the intro. You know what's coming. You watch the show. Huh huh, Okay, she getting to the phone, pull this out because this story. Okay, right, oh yeah, gloss of this up. Let me set this up before you know what I'm saying. So why you

said U, I'm gonna telling people what it is. Yeah, yeah, go on, yes us all the life down okay, yeah, so you know this is where you tell us a story Funnier fucked up and the travels of Jordan's Sparks huh, the Spark herself, the Sparks huh. You know somebody you might have had to knock the spark out of Come on, if you know, if you wanted to, they could have got it. They could have got it, could have got it. You know what. Maybe you're an American idol, so you

know you have to move a certain one. Chill, you know, but people for that. Oh yeah, yeah, we're bringing the mask back out. We're bringing the mask back out. Yeah trying. Rube still ain't brought my mask, but you know what, it's coming at some point. Funnier fucked up, funnier fucked up? Okay, are funny and fucked up? The only rule in the name of the game. I ain't saying no name. Yeah, I ain't saying no names. Okay, Jordan Sparks I just gave no ghosts. I ain't saying no names, neither one. Okay,

so he already knows where I'm going, which is funny. Okay. So I had a session with this person, and um, I had. I was really excited for this session. I had known who this person was. I was a fan of one of the songs they put out, and um, so I was really looking forward to it. And this person comes in and you know, he walks in. I first of all, I meet him the day before our session. He stopped by one of my sessions. He came in, super nice, super cool, um decked out in all different

types of designer names everywhere. They were all different, lots of diamonds and jewelry. And I was like, oh, okay, um cool do you He looked right. I was like cool. So we chopped it up. We talked for a little while. He was really nice. I was. Then I was really excited for the session. The next day. Next day comes time for the session, he's not there waiting for Like, okay, it's la maybe traffic. We live kind of out in the cut, So like, all right, give him like twenty minutes.

It's still not there. Keep going, what is that. Keep going and try and wait around. He's still not there. So at this point, it's like two hours past start time, and he finally walks in the door, and I was like, oh, hi, like glad you came, Like how you doing? And I'm usually really good at giving people grace, right like the entertainment. We're busy, some things can happen, somethings go late, whatever.

So he comes. Two hours later, this gentleman comes and I was like, Okay, cool, no worries, let's get this song done so we have the music up. Also, he walked in with two other people. I had no idea who these people were. Now, my space, which you've seen, is at my house, yes, and so he brings these two people to my house without telling me or letting me know or even asking. That was the first thing that I caught where I was like, that doesn't really

sit well with me. So he comes in, he has the two people come in, and then we're trying to write and I'm trying to do all this stuff, and he has one phone here and one phone here, and on both phones he's looking at himself and I was like, what is happening? And so he's like looking at himself. He's talking about all the things that he's doing and everything that he's done while he's been in town, and blah, bah blah. And he pulls up a performance that he

did and you know, we all watch it. It was it was great, and he was very impressed with himself and what he did and nobody can do this, nobody's doing it like this. And I was like, oh, okay, and so okay, so he's just doing that and that was cool cool. He was proud of what he did. Got it, watched it. I come out of the booth,

he's replaying it. He's playing it again, and I was like, okay, okay, this is I don't know what to do in this situation, because I was just like, we gotta get this session done. And so we're writing and then all of a sudden, the two gentlemen that he brought with him start inputting, trying to write, and I'm confused, like, this is not what we discussed. It was supposed to be myself and you and the other writer that I had, I think at the time. And they started and I'm like, I

don't know these people. I don't even know if they weren't. I was like, I've never seen these people before. I don't know if they're in the industry. And he didn't say they were. He didn't really say what they were doing. So they start trying to record, and then they start trying to write. I'm sorry, they start trying to write. And so then I go over to my engineer at the time and I look at my phone and I see the time, and I'm just like, I have two

more hours. I just have to just power through these last two hours because the session was going to end at a certain time. And we keep going and I am like, okay, do you want to lay this part down? Like, because we were supposed to be doing a song together. And I was like, do you want to lay this part down? And he goes, well, the way my time is set up, I can't go in there right now. And I was like, it'll take you two, like two seconds to do it, and he says that and I

go fine, So I go into the booth. I lay it down in ten seconds. I come out and he's gathering all of his stuff to leave, and I was like so and he was like, well, yeah, I'm gonna go. I'm kind of I'm kind of hungry and go get some food. And I was like, okay, no problem, thank you for coming, see you later. And he left and I saged the entire the entire studio. I saged every corner.

I threw saw over the the door, like the little way, and I did the booth too, and I never let anybody smoke in there, but I put my stage all over the booth. I was like, no, his energy was just it was not and I haven't dealt with a lot of people like that, Like usually my sessions are really cool because it's it's fun. We're supposed to be having a good time, you know. He made it all about him and himself, and I just was like, we

will never do this again. Like I'm good. So fast forward two weeks we go down to Atlanta and we're doing more sessions and Dana is like, hey, so, so and so wants to get back in and I was like, no, I'm good. He goes, but who knows it might be blah blah blah. I'm like, okay, sure, yeah, he said, grace and I was like all right, so, but the whole time, in the back of my head, I'm like, this is gonna be some bs like he's gonna pull some heats and gonna pull some shit. So we're sitting

there again. He shows up two hours late, and I'm like, okay, this is just so he finally gets there because we were already going to be in the session, so we started working anyway. So he shows up, same same thing, Hey how are you doing? No, like nothing acknowledging what happened before, and so I was like, okay, which I understand. Cool. So he comes in. He brings somebody with him again, but it's his girlfriend or girl at whoever. So wasn't her fault that she's just along for the ride. She

doesn't know, so I don't whole anything gets her. I'm still like this dude, didn't ask. Again, he's just bringing people to the session. Like I have closed sessions. My sessions aren't just anybody can come like yeah, I just I have done those, but for the most part it's closed. It's whoever's supposed to be there and myself and the engineer and then we're good unless the producer comes. So he comes in and he's like doing all this stuff.

And he goes in and lays down one melody and then I'm sitting trying to pick out all the pieces, so we lay at the melodies for those who don't know somehow, sometimes how I work is I go in, I laid on a whole bunch of melody ideas. Then I come out and then I pick and the puzzle piece and figure out how to make the song sound the best way. So I'm doing that. We've got like his one take, but I've done like five different takes

of melodies. So I'm going through them all and I'm looking back and I'm like, hey, does this sound good to you? And he looks over he's watching the TV, not paying attention, and I'm like does this sound good? And goes, yeah, yeah, whatever whatever you decide with the hand, And I was like the hand. I was like, okay, So we finally get it. We finally get I finally get the melody takes together. I go sit down. I'm like, okay,

let's write. Are you ready to write? He's like yeah, cool, So then we like sit down for maybe two minutes. It's literally two minutes. Here he goes I'm hungry, and I'm like, okay, well we can order some postma. It's like, you know, let's order some food and we can we can eat when it gets here. And he's like, you know what, I'm gonna go eat with my dad. He's here. He just called me and says he wants to have dinner, so I'm gonna go. And I was like, okay, okay,

go ahead and do that. You go ahead and do that. And I was so mad. I will never work with that person again ever, never, ever, ever will I ever? Ye didn't finish the song. So I finished the song. It's a great it's a great song. I wrote the song, I did the melodies together. I don't know, I have no idea, and I hope, I hope, yeah, I hope it doesn't happen to anybody else. But I can't say that it won't just because he is very This person is very much into themselves and only themselves. I could

understand if it was if I was coming into his session. Okay, I want to go eat now, Okay, what exactly he knocked on my door, not not the other way around. So that was that was last year or a little bit early last year, and I just was like, I'm good. So the lesson here is when people show you who they are believe them, and when they show you their colors, don't try and repaint those colors because it'll just turn to brown. Shit. Don't do it. Don't do it, do

not do it. Real shit. Yeah you know you mixed all the paint colors and it's just turned brown. Yeah. Yeah. No. I And I'm I'm you know me, you remember you see me. I'm very I'm usually very good with being able to give people grace and dealing with stuff. And I was pissed off. I was so mad. But the song that I wrote was really good together because this is what you you've been preparing for, you've been you can deal with because some people just get thrown off.

Now the session is messed up. Now you don't find it out we fight? Oh no, no, no, no, you know definitely not that. No. I was like, okay, well, if you're gonna mess this up for me, I'm going to figure out a way to finish it, you know, because you're not gonna mess up my I came out here for a reason. And now you understand, budgets exactly exactly like you wasted my time money okay exactly, but yeah, that was that's my no name story. I wish I could,

but I won't. I won't do that. I'll let other people discover that good one to know who acted an ass or you might work with him one day and find out yourself. You might mess around to find out. I'll bring my people with me, right, George, were so she could to tell you at the door? No, no, no, no no, you can't do not pass go, do not collect two hundred dollars, do not write a melody. Thank you, San, You're awesome. Thanks. I love saying with you. Guys. This

has been great. Yeah, yeah, you're super awesome. You're super fun. Um. I can't imagine anybody anywhere would have a bad thing to say about you, And I think that that's the intangible man, just just you know, being a great person, a person that people want to be around, a person that people just you know, want to cheer for, want to see when you and you have the gifts. So, yes, you're cheating, cheating, you're cheating. Shout out to your family. Of course, your loved one is in the building. The

baby's awesome. Um, I just I just think you're we're blessed to have you. Thank you. You know, I'm saying whatever you need from us. Thank you always. What we're gonna do, this song happen, We're gonna do once you once you naril down your one six, you figure out one you need, you know. But see that's the hard part. Sorry, I know we're done, But that's the part. That's the hard part is trying to narrow it down but also

still being creative in the process. Like, we're not going to stop doing sessions, So then can I give you some advice? Yes? Stop? Okay works for me. I'm tired because sixty Yeah, you have twenty albums. I do I do that. If you just if you, if we're just talking landscape in terms of streaming and content and all the day, all of this music must see the light of day. I want that. I want that, all of it must see the album week. You know what I'm saying.

So album every two weeks, So you're not once a month. Stop, you got enough once a month for sure. Dive into dive into what this body of work represents, you know what I mean? Like me, I always like to. I like to I like to build the theme first sure, and then put compiled everything that fits into that thing. So I get this, I get to narrow down really really fast. Great records too, they just don't fit into the theme. Yeah, you know what I mean. And then

and they give us something. Please, it's coming, It's coming. I want to I'm I'm excited, but no, what what else has been cool is I've in the last like six months, I've put out more songs than I have in the last couple of years. So I'm proud of myself. So I'm very proud of myself. So my fans are definitely getting They're getting fed. I guess the phrase they're definitely getting fed. People are being fed. Yes, they are breaking that, breaking that bread. Okay, I'm turning those seven

loaves and I'm feeding all the five thousands. I'm like, I like when Jesus turned water into into something alcoholic. Man, I love him to keep the man. Thank you guys so much money. I'm turning sparks. I'm taking day Valentine. We'll see you next. That was great for using that. R and B Money is a production of the Black Effect podcast Network. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your

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