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the business. Talking to yourself, that's business. Now. We got a man here and knows the business, executive manager, amongst other things. We're gonna get into. Give it up for brother, questionable basketball game. He's just he's just told me that's better than me. Give it if even. Thank y'all man, thank for having me on man. Thanks of course, man, thank you for bringing us uh the business. Now I'm here man. I've always rocked with y'all, like ever since

we came into this game, you've always showed love. So I'm here, man, like you know, whatever y'all need for me.

J Him was like we got even talent, said, because we got to talk about we gotta talk about, you know, the driving force, the undercurrent behind the behind the scenes, you know, because people are always you know, throwing out um statements based on kind of emotion in a sense within what they feel about where music is or how music is, and they don't understand the inner workings of how music he even gets there, goes into it, what

goes into it, you know what I mean? And those starting points, and you've been um, you've been very crucial in in in in starting and breaking you know what I'm saying, which is which is hard to difficult to do. So we are your brothers. We are here too, ask the questions and even shoot learn something. Yeah, yeah, for all the hard work. Appreciate you for sure. I mean

yeah you I mean you've seen it. You've seen it, like especially the amount of times the game has changed, you know what I mean, like with technology, so it's like having to learn new ways every time to try to like really give the artist the best chance possible to get in front of people, because at the end of the day, a lot of times it's out of our control. Rund. You could do everything. Sometimes it works,

sometimes it doesn't a lot of times too. It's like you know, I always say, it starts and ends with the artists. We just kind of try to help and like get it to the right place and just get the most out of it. But yeah, the way music has changed since we came in and said, y'all came in, it's like you gotta adapt every time. So it's definitely it gets tougher and tougher as you go. But you know, when you love something, you're gonna figure it out, you know what I mean. Let's do this. We we we

we like the origin. Let's start from beginning, you know what I'm saying, Like, what is your origin into this space? Where did it start for you? Man? I never I never thought I would like work in the music industry, Like it wasn't a plan. Um I was. My parents are from Sudan, so like I was, I was born in friends, you know, like my dad he worked for the un So we moved around a lot as kids.

So by the time he said, yeah me too. You know you got a little past brom you would enjoy you down the time so French like out French bro. I was like going into go to pro you would you would enjoy just seeing like the life's down. But so we moved around a lot as um as kids, and I moved to Queens when I was like ten, and for me, from France to first I went from just to go back. We we lived in in France in Paris, then we moved to Qatar for a few years.

My dad was stationed there like running the UNESCO office, and then we came back to France for a couple of years, then moved to Queens. So you can imagine for me, like the good thing is all the years I was taking English and I was going to like English speaking schools. Yeah, well, Pops was kind of like he was running UNESCO, so he was kind of moving where where you know, it's like, you know, you gotta go run that office over there and be the director whatever.

So when he came to when he came to New York, I remember not wanting to go because you know, at this point, like you're like nine, ten, you got your friends. I'm like, yo, I want to go to New York for like and then. But but I think coming through at that age was was ill because you get thrown to the belly of the beasts. I had to just quit. It's like, Okay, these nigs gonna give a funk who

I am? Sure queens like literally exactly and then but you know, but yeah, but but the things that I guess helped me a dab was because I played sports. So I'll played ball and it's like, even though the language barriers there, you get on that court, it's over like you eithern nice and you're not. You know, I got the boy from exactly whatever it was. I got that guy whatever whatever they wanted to call me, um, And then I quickly learned how to play like football

on the yard because I play soccer growing up. I don't understand for I played basketball mainly. But but then I watched the game quick online. That's how y'all do it, Like it's pretty easy, you know, I was always into sports. I think that helped like bridge that that uh you know, kind of fix that language you make friends that. Yeah, that's very important in entertainment. I me and Tank talk about it all the time about how many guys in

this business haven't played a team sport. Yeah, super dope in your uh breakfast club and if you I don't remember, I hit you. And also you know what I mean because also I'm I'm one of five kids, right, so like but but finish your point but just being able

to share and being and being of service at times. Absolutely, And I think we we have that in in industry entertainment period where it's like, you know, guys are really talented, but they're very much to themselves, so they don't know how to build with each other, share with each other. And like you said, you came from a whole another country, but the sport in itself, I'm sure it brought your friends for sure everything when I got you and and

um and I saw. I think to that point is I think there's a lot of people in the music industry that haven't necessarily like lived before they got in the industry, like they first experienced of like didn't have they weren't out, they weren't out and around with like like you know what I mean, like the niggas and and just doing whatever. So it's like that's another point. But yeah, I think another big thing was I was

I was one of five. I had older sister to older brothers and my younger brother was Boss was signed to us. But um, my older sister and my to older brothers. That's why I picked up the music from you know what I mean, Like my brother DJ MoMA who's a huge DJ. You know he does the everyday people party that says ship like. He was a rapper first and then turned into a DJ like and he would literally ever since I was young, would go and

buy every album that came out on Tuesday. And I was like rap or R and B. So now you know what I mean, Like that taught me a lot, I be. I was like a huge, huge jodicie fan. That was like the first thing. I was like a fanatic. Oh you know what I mean, And I feel like perfect, Yeah, I feel like I felt I fell in love with R and B like first, you know what I mean, because as a kid, like I love those emotions. Those are like the first things you probably relate to before

you understand. Uh, NAS was the first like rap out my boy, which was it was rated so so at that time, I think that was kind of building mind, you know, between sports and music. That's how you make your friends. I remember going to school having it was rained and uh, one of my closest friends till this day, my boy Antoine. Um, he he's like all every boy that and he's like, uh, who's anting? I don't know if you know he's a writer, he's an actor, but

he works with j D a lot. But um, and I remember him bringing it back to me scratched up, me being all angry, like because that's how that CD is so im boring. But you know what I realized is like the ability to like put someone on the music was so dope to me, like, yo, you don't know about this, Oh, let me put you on. Like so those are like the two things I fell in love with young, which was music and and obviously basketball and sports and um. But it was no idea that

I was gonna like work in music. It was just like, obviously you were you were a lot younger, but were how was the music for you before you came to America or do you remember even that time it was still it was still the same because my brother was still same CD. No, he was just in love, I mean even over there, in love with this culture, you know what I mean? So so like I remember my brother buying U, um, what do you call it? Um?

What was was was the the comedy off Minutes of Society, uh said the comedy like they did like the flip on minutes? What was it with the Yeah? But I remember that soundtrack being a fire they had. They had they had like a I Wotan record on it. They had a Joe to See record on that. If I remember correctly, I remember as a kid he would buy those and I was just look in his like drawer, he had all the CD stacked up, and I just like, even then, that's what we were, you know, listening to that.

We was watching NBA games. You know, my brothers were like at three in the morning at that time. So it's like it wasn't too different, you know what I mean.

It wasn't like I remember growing up listening to French music, you know what I mean, Like I don't remember that, like so so it was still like a love of of the culture even before I got here, Okay, okay, So it wasn't like somebody just flat out being like, yeah you never heard of you already knew the artists and everybody said, yeah, I had a different idea, you

know what I mean different because when a kid. I remember when I was a kid, I always tell my friends, I used to think, like when I get to America, like if I seen an ice cube in the street, he was gonna beat my you know what, I thought? Ice cube was was murdering people every weekend, justus for fun. I'm like that, don't about to go to American run into this. Think about the ice Cube had it. He had the persona down to eight. Yeah, and he's one of the greatest story tellers of all time. It was

so visual. That's how good it was that I believed it. I couldn't listen to him, that's how good he was. You can't listen to him. Some there's a thug, he's a goon. Now I'll be sneaking on the box on the video channel trying to For me, it was such a trip because I realized that I'm thinking that these guys are the coldest gangsters and criminals of all time. And I'm literally living in the house. But you don't realize that as a kid, just like, man, y'all, y'all crazy,

but y'all ain't ice cutetute. Then you get older and realize, oh, yeall was so cute. Can't nobody my family do? Are we there yet? Remember? I remember playing basketball against ice Cube. Yeah, he was so nice, like he was like the nicest, Like he was like, hey Tank, now, like you know, like I like you stuff. That's it. I mean you don't want to fight me. That's probably one of the greatest story and like history to go from like that to this, and it's an impossible story. Now, yeah, you

can't be ice Cube. You can't just be it though this stuff like someone who Now they all on your background and you can you can attest to that because you're in that space heavenly where it's like we all know how it goes. Bro, Like, I've literally been introduced to certain artists by somebody telling me their crimes. Yeah, that's real how deep they are into this or that.

And the words you had to do with wrap had to be great at it because nobody was actually going to your actual block to do the research, to do the research of how much work you've put in in the streets in which you survived in the streets for sure. Byby it'd be a little white dudes waiting outside of the jail for the artist to come out. It's it's crazy, bro. I see you looked away because you know exactly what

I'm talking about. You know what I mean, And listen, this is it's actually a problem, you know what I mean. It's a big problem. But you know what happened though, is that reality took over? Right? And I say that, whether it be reality TV or whatever it is, whether it be social media, people wanted to know what they were really buying into. They wanted to get past the music and see the essence of an individual. That's what reality,

this reality thing turned into. So when you start rapping about a thing, a murder or or whatever it is that they want to know like, yeah, okay, the song is cool, tell me about the murder though, and not going to help you sell your records. Tricky, so tricky man, How how do you deal with that in your space of of you know what you what you signed because you you guys have been able to carve out a space and time like right now where hip hop is very violent, yeah, and that's not what you are based

on and that's not what you are built on. And you've been able to bring forth really powerful acts in

this in a time where this does not really truly exist. Yeah, I mean I think what it is is like I never I noticed, as it sounds a little crazy, but I never actually got into this for like monetary reasons, Like of course I wanted to make money, but that was never like my thing I'd even understand the business of music at first, so like even like growing up, even the way I made Cold, it was like it was literally like I knew Cold, Like that's my dog

from school again. We're going out, we're going to home comings, we're doing whatever. But then I find out he raps, and then it becomes like, oh, you actually, like, are really incredible. Let me just it became the same thing given the c D away to my friend. It became trying to put people on to ship I actually liked. So when you get in a position of like having

a label, it's kind of the same thing. And you know, with with me and Cole and and our partner Adam, we just looked at it like, yo, we're only really gonna sign things we're really fans of that connect with us. Because I always always tell artists like I'm me artists outside of the show, like yo, can I rap for you? And I'll be like, look, you can have the best.

You can put words together better than anyone else. Like if they don't connect with me, like, there's nothing I can do about it, and I'm not gonna get that connection necessarily from you spend sixteen like a lot of times you never know when that connection is gonna come. So so what it was is we had this platform and it's like if something connected with us, it was like, yo, let's try to give it his best chance to see if it's gonna connect with everyone else, because we can

probably stand behind it, like you know, we can. We can say like, yo, we're fans of this and we feel like you should too if if you like what we like, you know what I mean. So it wasn't like that deeply thought of you know what I mean, Like like Boss is my brother. Boss was the first person we actually signed to uh to dream Heal. And even that I feel like made it tough on them in the sense I was like, well, I'm not gonna sign my brother first, like because because he wasn't rapping.

That's the whole thing. He wasn't really a rapper. Like he had some ship go down in the streets. He was like, all right, I gotta back out. He was always a small kid, started pointing word together and I remember him sending me and Colson. He was like, oh, sneaking nice. If he keeps going at it, if he

is better, he might turn it too. And we watched him get better and better than it was, like, all right, this is a good representation of who we are, Like he's coming from you know, he's like like minded people, as would always say, like, we signed a lot of like minded people, you know what I mean. So so for me, it was like if I if I if I'm a fan of it, and I feel like, damn it,

it hits me, it connects with me. Let me try to give you a platform that hopefully is going to connect with other people and that could lead you to you know, start him, you know what I mean. And really more important to start him to me was always having a career. I want to make sure you can make a living off of this, you know, for as long as you want to. Like so you're not going to sign a little death murder kill it. But guess what. Guess what, Like I can listen to Kodak Black and

be like I can listen to call that Black. No no, no no, because not but Kodak Blank is one of my favorite rapp and you know why, It's because it's honesty. It's it's a real portrayal of his life. So my thing is not that you can't be in street ship. It's it's the rappers that like glorify it that don't really live that life. I can't connect with that. I could connect with Kodak because he's telling you the goods

in the band. He's telling you I don't want to do this, like, but I have to do this because this is a product. I could connect with the feeling of that, even though I don't go through that, there's an emotion there that's like, Okay, not saying I would sign a Kodak, I don't. I'm just saying, like, to me, anything that comes from a real place that's authentic, I can respect it, whether whether it's my life or not.

And I feel like that's kind of what we want, is just to be able to give authentic voices a platform. And I know we jumped a little bit, but can you give us like that that the start? Yeah for St. John's Yeah, you and cold basketball? You know what I mean words you know and and and you're meeting your main cold not j Cole know what I'm saying, Like in y'all building what y'all built with dream Bill, Yeah, I mean that again in basketball, like you said, like

I don't, I didn't. I've seen Cole around school, but so you don't know each other. Be for St. John's, No, because obviously he's from Carolina. I'm from Queen. St. John's was like ten blocks from my career, so I wasn't even gonna go to St. John's. I was like taking visits to like D twos and and ship like thinking about still hoping I wanted to go to like Georgia State, and then it was like yeah, and then it was like late. Just think if you choose to go to

Georgia's State, I'm just mad. And when I got to St. John's was like I wasn't here older than cold. So he came to next year and even then it's like I know him, I see him around, but that's not like my man. And then we had this thing called common Hour in my school, which is like I think it was like around twelve thirty or twelve to like one thirty when on Tuesdays and Thursdays when no one had classes. So all the niggas that's like really hooping that's not on the team or maybe like the walk

ons on the team. They meet in the gym and we have open runs. So so me and Cole that was kind of like my rival because we both tall guards like we was that that was our game. I'm like, don't with this nigga. And then um, but but my best friend growing up, my man Tad, he really who too with me, Like we all grew up hooping like a ship and he, um, he will come to the gym and he got cool with Cole. And then eventually by like Cole's maybe like junior or something, we started

getting cool. Like we would go to the city. Oh yeah, I would seeing I would see him and I'd be like yo, you know what I mean. But but at some point we started like Lincoln, we would go to the city, you know, drink just being homiest there that I don't I know him, but I don't know him as much and he's I think Cole knew him more. And then I got cool with Matt too, you know what I mean, because we called him Calie Matt because he was like he was like the only nigga from

l A and California. Yeah, and he was really probably the first thing that got met that was like I'm gonna work in the music in this, you know what I mean? Like I think so from what I remember, because he was like plugged in with like I think it was like Diddy into like Daddy's house, the engineer Matt, I think, what's his name, like, so he would have

those relationships he was thinking about it earlier. I was just like, yeah, you know him and probably this dude Aristotle, remember, but yeah, with Cold it was like that was just the homie. And then one day I got in his car and he had like one of his freestyles over

like Grammy Family playing, and I'm like, yo, fun. I heard him rap once at like a school talent show, and I was like like, just like once he was like a host, I think because he was like the head of the Black student Union or something like you know likes yeah, and and by the way, like the black student you know, our school was like lit like it was like you wanted to be at that meeting, like they do the best parties the concept at the end of the year, and I think he was hosting

one of them and he did a free style and I remember being like, oh, that's a witty lion, like this got a correct but I didn't think of it because I was just a fan of rap. But when I heard that, I was like, yo, who's there? He's about to turn it off. I'm like, well, you like really rap rap, and he was like, oh yeah, that's why i came out to New York for. But I'm not one of those niggas that's gonna just tell niggas.

I wrapped like that ship corny, like I'm gonna get signed and then niggas gonna see And I was like, irised is rapping. Yeah, I'm like I feel that, but I don't know if it works like that. I don't know much about but I don't know if you cause just show but but um, but even then, it wasn't like I'm gonna man age you. We're gonna none of that. It was more like damn, like I really as a fan of music, these words connect with me. I think

that's one thing I understood from early on. It's like the emotional connection with music to me, which is always the most important thing, which is why I love on and be like you feel that connection. But but but then it was just more like back to like being a kid of going to your friends and being like yo, check out, check this out and like who's this, Like yeah, that's Jermaine, Like oh light skin Jermin't really rapped, like it was a strike to be able to put niggas

own ship. So that's kind of what I was doing. And I think as I was doing that, he just started trust in my ear because that's really all work relationship, Like I'm his manager, but like all work relate ship was really like we spent years and years like putting projects together like he would he would trust me to be like yo, remember that verse you had on that beat, Like you should try it on this beat, but like, oh God out there, Like that's kind of like when

my love really came in. As the years grew and I was working with him, it kind of allowed me to gain my confidence on how to like, um, you know, communicate with artists and producers on like how can this can be better? You know without without exactly without being like this trash like nigga, who are you to tell me that trade? You should make the music? Like so I understood that, and I think he he trusted that,

and he don't trust a lot of people. So so we just kept going to the studio and building and it was just fun, like it was mad fun, like just he would make songs and send it to me and I'll be like, damn, this is fine, Like you know, he enjoyed. He enjoyed getting that air and their feedback. And then I was like, yo, we should do a mixtape. So we did, like to come up mixape, just kind of put it together like you know, try like went

to A and T and was selling it at home coming. Yeah, we pressed them up with whatever little money we had together because at this point too, like he's now graduated that he's dead broke because his whomates moved out, so he's staying in Queens and he's like he's dimned that begging his landlord like y'all gonna pay you back, like his landlord with the man he laying money pile up.

And during that time co would literally have like he honestly just had money for one meal a day and he used to time his meal for like five pm because he's like that. So he was just saying home, make beach whatever, and like and I would come home. My pops were still like holding me down with Brad. I didn't really have a job. So I'll make sure he good, you know what I mean. We'll split the sandwich,

keep it moving. So we would find money to press the CDs up and Uh, his best friend r J went to Uh he used to go to North Carolina at that went to U n CG. So he he co went to North Carolina anti home coming every year like in North Carolina that ship that's religious, like you know what I mean. Like, So I went with him one year and and and we had to come up. We pressed it up and and the whole thing was like that was our sales pitch was like, Yo, if I try to sell you this for five dollars, you're

not gonna buy it. If I give it to you for free, you're just gonna throw it away. Just give me a dollar at least. I know if you give me a dollar, you gonna listen to one song that was kind of a whole a whole dollar in the dream thing. That's how it started. So we was like on the strip trying to sell ship for a dollar and uh, and girls will be like and it was fun because it's like you're talking to girls. You're talking to these niggas like trying to convince him because it'll

be like, how do I know he could rap? I'm like, yo, come overhead me him. Mike, the same nigga is you know now, like he'll rap for you right now. He started rapping it, but like, oh he nice, he's five dollars, Like it was fun, Like every we found fun and everything, even though niggas was broke in not knowing where it was gonna end up twenty two, I'm like, I'm probably like twenty three. He's probably around now because he had just graduated. Um, I didn't finish school, but I had.

I was already out of school, and I was I'm gonna year older than him. So it was around that age, Um, you know, young enough and we can still go to home coming and not looking like the creeps, you know what I mean. So so it was cool and m and then you know, we just kept going from there.

That's kind of how the music relationships store. Even then, I didn't think I was gonna like work in music because I had no everyone I know that that's in the music industry had like an internship at the label or like you know, kind of came up under someone. I was just like, I'm just here to help my nigger, Like I just want to see you win. So what you've been from Queens though, was ch in hip hop. Yeah, we can go down of how many amazing artists have

come out of Queens. You knew none of these people though, No, not one. Queen's bich know, nobody's manager, nobody's I knew Irv Gott So remember I told you when I graduated high school, my my high school team coming up, it was like it was like the second best league in like America. At that time. We were like towards the bottom of the league. But I was right saying, Raymond's Cross the kid. You know, I played at Holy Cross. So like when I graduated, I went back and was

like assistant coaching for the team. And our point guard who played with Blaze Blaze French my Dog and um Sylvan Landisburg. They don't want that like got us. Our first city Chip point guard was IRV Gotti's nephew, so they came to every game, Irving Chris. They came to every game so I would see them. I even gave I think I think it was Chris Gotty that I gave a CD two of Colds like to come up

when we was just trying. So like that's like the only thing I had seen I had seen like growing up are when I was in high school, our star player. He's from south Side, so like, yeah, yo, thanks. Then used to come to the game and it would see me on the av and be like, oh, number twenty two was good like that. It was just like I seen him from Afar. But I didn't know your Queens is huge, you know what I mean. Like Queens, I remember seeing something like if it was a city, would

be the seventh most populated city in America. You know, like these boroughs got like two million people in them, you know what I mean. So it's like when I'm from it's like you know people through basketball, but I didn't really know, Like I didn't know fifty in them. I didn't know NAS's team, you know what I mean. NASA is in Queens birth. That ship is so far from where I'm at, you know what I mean. It's like it's like a different world, damn there. So so no,

I didn't know anyone um. The closest I would see it was maybe like stack Bundles and like the deather Storm dudes, because I grew up like really loving that era of music. But I didn't know nobody, you know what I mean. So you have nothing at this point, Like you said, you have no sights on being in the music business. Even though you out there it's just you and your guys slanging mixtapes, You're still not like I'm going I'm on the label, I'm about to be No.

What it was was just like it's what you was talking about, what I was saying. I connected with that. It's like I just want to see him when I understood, like how can I help you get to what you're supposed to get? And I found joying that, you know

what I mean? Like I didn't care. I knew that if I did those things, like I would be rewarded somehow, you know what I mean, Like like I would be taking care of if I really put my my thoughts into something, and you know, like that's like it's not selfish, like you know what I mean. For me, it was like, yeah, I see what you're trying to get. If I can help, I'm gonna try to help. That was like the basis of it, Like if I get help, I'm trying to You didn't have a blueprint, you didn't have a way in,

nobody knew where to go. We we're gonna sell these thanks for a dollar. See what happened and eventually Cold was like I think it was cold and would be like, Yo, we're gonna we're gonna do label, like once we get on, you know what I mean, because because at that point it's like we grew up, you know, rocket fill of love, bad boys, so like that's just what you do and you get on and you started label. Are you feeling any of the African pressure? You gotta go be a doctor?

I always get that. I always my best friend. I always get my dad, some my mom a lot of props because they never really forced like those weights, like they will be disappointing, like yo, what are you doing with your life? But like I'm gonna trust you, but I don't really know if this is gonna work, but I'm gonna trust you. It was never like you have to do this like you have to. Of course, I'm sure it was disappointed when I didn't finish school, you know what I mean, or like when I tell them

like I'm gonna be doing this. But they also knew Cold Cold used to be in my crib, so they know that this is a good it's a good kid. It's not like some dumb ship. But um, it's funny because I remember you were at the garden one year I Boss was opening up. It was either the theater or the actual arena, and my dad was like he came to the show and he told us, man that did they grow up? Was like, I guess you'll was right, was right, but he never It was never the feeling

of like you have to do that. It was kind of like, I don't think you should be doing what you're doing, but like you don't have to pick your own destiny kind of thing. And I think that gave me enough of a leeway to be like, you know, let me try this out, um, but that that pressure is definitely there. Did you have that, because you know, my my my father wanted me and music very very It wasn't like, oh if I don't if I do music, y'all think I'm crazy, Like did that happen for you?

My pressure was church. You're from like a church from from church. So my pressure was just whatever I do to be in church, you know, whatever you want to do, whatever you want to come back to the church. But I see, I'm so you know, venturing out into r and b land, you know, even going back and saying saying the sports in the sports world like my parents first generation everything, you know what I mean. So my parents were just very like you know, you playing basketball, okay,

good luck with that. Playing football? Cool, good luck with that. Like my parents didn't come up. No, I think my parents senior night where you gotta like show up with your parents. My parents, it's not like you said, that's not there, that's not their culture, it's not where they're from. I broke my collarbone. When the day I broke my collarbone in football, my father was at that game, right, So father comes out of the feelings that you think

it's broke, I don't know what. Probably let's get you into the hospital, like very matter of fact, that's what it is. Like what else you want me to tell you? I ain't gonna fix it. I So, you know, when it came to the music and things finally happens, like what you said with your father, like I think with my father, we connected more when when I accepted my

responsibility of myself. You know what I'm saying, When I became a man, then my father was like, Okay, now we can have real conversations because you're a man now that you know what I'm saying. And then It's like, are you come from the household of grown men don't talk to kids? That's how I came up. I was having this conversation actually with cod was Cole got to a space where he was like, basically he got to a point at one point it was like we just

wanted to ask questions. He started really like diving into asking his mom questions and his dad question and why they say, you know, trying to get an understand of everything. I remember being like, I've never really asked my dad any questions to me. It was like, you're my dad. I love you, you you take care of the kids. I respect you, but it's like we're not friends. Were like, I can have that conversation like how was it back

when you was growing up? Like I don't know any of them, and my father was sit on the same couch for a whole Saturday. Exactly. Didn't I say to now that I got kids? I got kids, But but it's just like they our fathers were iron man exactly. You know what I'm saying. Like there was an actual kids table. Yeah, you know what I'm saying about my house, there was a kids like the kids did you say that? Over there? Always end up eating. It's not a small you know, yea for it too. It's just what they

learned kids, and like the adults, you didn't. We wasn't an adult conversation. But like I said, again, with us being first generation everything, once I finally became a man, then it became okay, now we can build, and now I can ask your questions. Like I remember one time my father like, so, how's your publishing treaty? I said, Dad, that's not your publishing publishings. Yeah, yeah, how's your publishing. They talked, they talked to you, tell you anything, but

but I appreciate you. Yeah, publicIt, public publishing, published. And my grandmother being a pastor. You know what I'm saying. You know you you expect certain blowback. When my grandmother was just like, that's my grandson. You know what I mean. I'm so proud. My mama, same thing. Yeah, I see your boy, I see you doing your thing. They didn't know what it was. They just showed up on the video set the stuff blowing up, so they never got

a chance to see you with genuine Yeah they did. Yeah, they got to see because I remember was on TV. We was on TV. We did the Keen and every Way and show, And that's the famous time where I licked my lips when they put the camera in a it was it was trash, right. I was still working on it, but the camera caught me. And when I got back off to and went back to the church, just all people's time about we saw you licking your lip. Yeah, past it was like we got we got derailed back.

He's back from off the TV screen being provocative a man, He's back. I'm thinking of like the first time they've seen that that maybe I deserve video on one those six it was like yo, what because that was such a big moment, you know what I mean, like like everyone remembers that moment. I'm pretty sure it was kind of like oh, this church in with no shirt on this ship, like you know what? Different? It was different.

It was, but like I said, from from your family, have us having a certain expectation and my family having a certain expectation. They were they were They were very lenient with how they oppressed it. I'm saying. So it wasn't like direct support of what I was doing, but they weren't fighting on it. But when you get older, you realize that point that is because if somebody fights you on it, ship probably doesn't even happen, you know

what I mean. So yeah, that's a good as question because because it's just it's just everybody has their path and how it plays out, and which leads to my next question. Man like, and this is something that's I think it's the reason why you and I have always been so cool and so close and have an understanding with each other because I know you faced this best friend management. That's just tough, right, It's I would never

trade it for anything, No, not at all. But coming up you understand it's like it's a different like you're not here, right, it's a different you are my manager. Best friend management, It's it's a different. Um it really best friend management wasn't as hard as like running the company with your friends. That was a little harder. But with Cole, I think, I think when I when I got to that manager, because I didn't really get like,

became officially manager until before force it was drive. You know, he was managed by Mark Pint, But I think, what what that would Having their relationship with Cole and being so close allowed him to give me room for error, which somebody else might not you know what I mean, Like he allowed me to learn on the job, and I will I can get a call from like hey, nigga, you can't do this, or like hey, then you need

to answer these people. I don't want them hearing me. Alright, cool, let me let me adjust, you know what I mean. Somebody else might have been like a bro, I got time for this ship, you out of here, you know what I mean. So I was honestly just having that conversation with we're all about something like you know, if if cole decided to fire me the first time he didn't like something, then I would have been out the game. When the reality is always look at it like you

know when managers, I really look at it. With any relations in life, it's like, ain't nobody perfect. So if you if somebody has a lot of good traits and they have some traits you don't like, just be willing to work through that instead of being like, oh I don't like how you do this, You're you're gone, you

know what I mean? And I feel like having that relationship with cole Um allowed us to like allow me to be able to grow, you know what I mean, and then also allowed me to be able to say things to him that maybe somebody else wouldn't be able to say, you know what I mean. So it was like, it's tough because you're you're in a position where you don't want to let your client down, but you also

don't want to let you nigger down. That's a different like, that's a different perspective, but to me, it's definitely way more pluses than negative. Now, running a company with your friends is a little tougher because it's tougher to you know, like when I say run the company with with your friends, it wasn't just cold. Like Adam was Cole's roommate as freshman year. You know Derek who manages Boss, I've known

since he was a kid in high school. Felton was one of the first people we met, and Industry Maddie and you know him and MK manage are Maddie I knew since he was like fourteen. You know, MK we met because she was like interning at with more pits

in the wh we first. So like that dynamic is a little tougher because you really love these people, so you don't want to do anything that can you know, so accountability because of those relationships right, because in our community, which is terrible, we're talked to go outside of ourselves where we gotta go, which ultimately is self defeating because the truth of the matter is that if we do this, if we do this thing together, we're that much more

powerful for sure, and we're going to hold each other down. It's something that you said earlier about how you were like man when when Cole was trying to figure out he was eating once one meal a day, that you would make sure if y'all got to split the sandwich. Me and him talk about this all the time, Like we jokingly were like, bro, we would split a happy meal. Yeah, if we had, if we had to know that's right, bro,

come on to give you these six fries. And we used to we we used to want to go first of all, A big part of me and cold relationships. We both love to like go to the club, like that's really how we bond it. We used to like

the New York clubs. We used to go for the free before twelve and you get like one drink before twelve and then and then we have enough money, We're about one long hall of night sea because we knew it was a short and split like yo, like yo, God, like you know you got to split a low key p yeah, but like you know, that's like it was always. That's the one thing that obviously y'all have that when you're when you're working with someone that close to you,

you're gonna figure it out. You're gonna be willing to figure that. And that's what it was with It's like we're gonna figure it out because it means more then dollars and cents, you know what I mean. It's like, bro, like this ship means a lot more to it. So so I think that's the beauty of it, you really, I mean, it's definitely way more plusant than anything because I feel like you're willing to run through a wall for someone like that, you know what I mean, like

somebody else you might be like. And that's because it's like the the the intent of a human right when it come when it pertains to somebody, you know, you know what I'm saying, Like you can bet on that more than you can bet on anything like this is I know this guy for sure, what I'm saying, I know him exactly. You know what I'm saying, And you know we know we know our friends that are bullshitters, you know what I'm saying, that that we like, Okay,

all right, just just make him the janitor. We know where to put those guys are. But our our friends that we know are hard workers, you know what I'm saying, and and and smart people and just need the time to figure out. This conversation with so many artists I've had because like I calls the only artists I've ever managed, and that our plan on ever managing, Like I've all the artists I sign, I've like played whatever role I can't.

It's like the facto managing they turned artists. See. It's because to me, like managing is also like you know, you gotta be really dedicated, you know what I mean. And it's like, how can you dedicate yourself to nine different acts? Like I don't, I don't understand it. I don't know if I can do it, but I always I've had this conversation with artists that we're on an

artists that are starting. I'm like, yo, if there's someone on your team that you feel like even has something that they will that they like, they work hard, and they're willing to figure it out, you better off empowering them then looking for that manager because to me, it's like I've seen it a million times, like y'all managed by Blah blah Blah's management company, and then it's like now you managed by nigga at work there if that nigga don't give a funk that nigga is like you

know what I mean, Like he like, you know whatever exactly he's on the golf course. Yeah, yeah, Mike about that? What does he get out? I don't think we should do it. I'll show up when he when he when he's getting out of jail his paperwork. Yeah, I don't think we should do it. But it's always a j uh. Are you for taking on, undertaking anymore or the endeavors?

You know, I don't even really know. I can't say it and be like, I know what the future of our label holes, because if I'm gonna be honest, I don't actually even want to sign any more artists, Like I feel like I want to dedicate what I can to these artists, to give them as far as they could or as far as they want to. But you know, to take on more is just taken away from them, you know what I mean? And I feel like it's a team and so like we already got a lot

of artists, you know what I mean. It's like, yeah, it's unfair to not only the artists, but it's unfair to our staff to just have to so so to me, it's like I haven't even thought of any any more artists. I know. Cole's the saying, Um, it's just more so

like just putting these artists in the position. Because also, like we really treat everybody has come through our doors like family, and it's been it's but so much love, you know what I mean, it's tough to like really just in and um and I truly genuinely love everyone on our label, Like I want to see them win so much that I'm like, I don't know if adding more to that is fair, you know what I mean. So there's there's just the reality of it. All right, Well we're gonna but I do love working on R

and B, like you know, Cole. I think Cole specifically, I always tell him the next phase of his career

is really producing and get in with artist. He loves that, like he's going in with l Man, He's gotten in with you know, um, just he loves that space him watching him work with Ari, I see like that and this is like you really love this, you know what I mean, Like on her on the Introver album, like he wrote that with her, and like and like, you know, even just the conversation he's had with throughout a career.

So I know that's something that it's fun to us, you know what I mean, like work wise, being able to get in with artists and kind of like craft like yo, this, you know, like this this would sound dope or whatever. So I do think there's there's always gonna be something there. I just don't know what yet, you know what I mean. Okay, definitely, Okay, we were going there. We're gonna go to your R and B mind. I'm gonna help you. Yeah, come on, come on, come on from Yeah it was it was just a killing

money little We're not gonna shout their name. You're not gonna get of them. Yeah they got. They got to send that check before we start saying their names. It's really good though. I'm not gonna say your name. But if y'all want to know, hit up Tank, you put me on. Hurt nobody. Nobody will hurt ship hip too really explore. Mm hmmmm. We're good now, h m hmm. All right, mm hmmm mm hmmm. Let's get in chips and ship. But I'm meeting drips. Mhmm. You're going to

edit it? Yes, I want to know. I already know one, but I don't want to know your top five R and B artists of all time be all our female. All right, well, Joe to see I gotta be up there, you know what I mean. I grew up a huge Jodice fan, so we gotta put that up there. Um mm hmmm, I would sure, yes, you know what I mean. Like Man Confessions, you put that up against any album in the genre time. You know what I mean. I think Confessions in Miseducation is like two of the best albums.

Just listening to that the other day, Um, Erica, could I do Eric? I love you too, Erica, er I'll risk Yours was different, though, Erica, We're gonna leave some people out because they didn't you know. Now, we're not love not wronging me money podcast if you would like to, that's on you. We don't leave nobody out. They don't did too many whiles ship we can. That's not true, she told my music to my music brother on music. Yeah, you can't to raise your influence. Yeah, try to send

me up a set up you don't. Yeah, but y'all know something is just incredible. They're just terrible people, and he's gonna leave it in what we say. You can say if you, if you, if he was just a good nigga, he would be topic number four. Now I can't put them before. I gotta I gotta raise him out of the history books. Now. I mean maybe on my own time I listen to It's your five, Um, damn five, it's just so many kod ones. Mm hmmm.

I think just like as far as music, like songs that I'm gonna love forever, I'm gonna throw a lee in there because is gonna you know, it's like it's where it's where you add in your life when you first heard them, you know what I mean. It's like, Um, I don't want to count anybody. That's like, I'm only counting people I grew up on. I don't want to count like the newer people because I feel like there's like a whole list of people. But um, who's last Who am I missing? Mm hmm. I feel like I mean,

I was honestly huge. I'm gonna put Alicia in there because them first like that the first two albums when I was growing up, Like, man, I spun the funk out of them ship, So you know what I mean.

I feel like that's a strong five, very strong five, very strong on the show early with Alicia Sacramento and and I came out and I'm doing my whole singing thing, and I got my band down on it, you know, a leather suit whatever, and I'm just trying to dazzle them with all of my all of my newfound sex appeal.

You know. That's what I was on shirt off tank change, just so they know my name didn't make sure if you ain't gotta be right, just the case you didn't know right here, um, And that's what I'm trying to dazzle them with. It was Jimmy cozyer Me Records comes up there and starts singing and playing the piano, and I'm like, I can do that, right, why not do that? I think I do that? And she was up there killing.

I was like this, we gotta we gotta rearrange this man, because she's and I never changed it, you know what you know what it was with Alicia. It was like being because I was in high school around that time. It felt like and I'm from New York, so it felt like that that little like streets that she had along with the beautiful chords and made it feel like

a DJ. It didn't look like she was like like when I played the piano, I'm like playing the piano, you know what I'm saying, Like I've learned from you know, Brian mcnight and baby Face, and you know, I'm a church musician. But when she played that, she was she was up to it and like just her lean and everything. I was like, this, that's mine. Don't come off like that. Well you know I did forget though that I do want to mention is t Pay one of my favorites.

He's just ever getting to argue with me. He's it was just like and it's just introduced the new style R and V two people, you know what I mean, Like I appreciate people. It's like I'm just gonna do it my way. Like and then later you found out that he was actually vocally strong, like he didn't know what you know, we didn't know, Yeah, we didn't know at the beginning. Well, you know, I mean for me what I used to try to do the auto tune heavy. I was like, why don't I sound like t pay?

I just I didn't sound like him, you know what I'm saying. Hit The texture in his tone and all of that made all of the difference. And he was also another one to the point we're talking about with Drake, but in a different way, like he was writing from a place of like like we're not supp used to it used to be uncool to say, like I'm in love with a stripper, like like he made ship that, he made it fun. He didn't he didn't put too much on it. I love that. So I do want

to put him up there too. Top five R and B song. That's gonna be hard. That's gonna be hard. Maybe I'll just go by like the artist that I already loved. You can do that, but go ahead, yeah, because not because it's hard to make five, because like I would, I wouldn't want to throw I'm gonna give it a shot. Carl Thomas, I wish up. Can't go wrong with that. It's just can't go wrong with it. It's just an incredible song. Um, I don't know if it's like a top five favorite of all time, but

an R and B song. I've been listening to you a lot lately is kick You White? First Love? First Love. Me and my sisters literally have sing offs every family reunion, everything. One of my favorites the whole house. You split it up, y'all sing kicks part, I'm Gonna see her face part. I've been on that heavy like the last year, just like, oh my god, I got so mad when there came out. It was still a little bit of a hater. Y'a was playing the same y'all was both trying to get

on the tea. I'm trying to get in and I'm just trying to, you know, get in the game, and I'm watching the vant cook. And at that time, I couldn't. I couldn't completely appreciate a Vont's vocal because I was a church kid just running all over the place. I couldn't appreciate simple man the game like it was. It was just right. Everything about it was right. Nothing was

missing man, Oh yeah, joint and it. And it took me a minute to just, you know, just just learn to get out of myself and understand what that way it took me, took it took me going into a session with the producer and you know, I'm a singer, I'm singing, athing, I'm singing, sing sing sings and failing at the session m hm, and having to go back and listen to the song some more. Two get the song, the style of the song. The song was so simple, and the song required so many just subtle nuances that

pull it off. Like that's a real talent to know when to baby face when the simplified things. It's like a talent even as producers. I remember when you know, being in producers, like when you overdo it, it's like, well, where's the room for the actual artists? You know what I mean? Like who you know, you're trying to impress yourself exactly. So I think I think that's that's a good That's something all artists, you though, Like, Yo, there's a time when you got to know how to dig back.

Is when I say a monster straight ahead vocal. Yeah that's Kiki. I love that. Um M. You know, I got to put a show to see jointing there. I got which one though, Uh, that's tough. You can run off the rest of your list with yell to record. I wouldn't, yeah, but I gotta pick one just to be be able to like include other people. I might have to go my harbor on see you Bopp who

does that joo? Whatever you want, whatever you want. And it's so crazy because he was He's in a group, not wass in a group, and from a family with such a powerhouse, which case he is. That a lot of times it doesn't get mentioned the greatness of Jojo. I literally I went on live one night and I'm talking, I'm arguing with people, I'm talking about where I'm and I learned to not argue with people who don't do R and B, but I just had one of them nice.

I was literally going, I was losing my mom. I'm talking, I'm arguing online like this about JoJo's vocal and I'm like, it's two guys. There's Joe Joe Haley and it's Sean Stockman, who both are in groups with ultimate powerhouses that that their voices are so strong and they just they're just so incredible that you don't realize that there's a master right next to them, master that will cook any and everything,

and big boy to a rap. It's like yes, y'all don't realize how fucking fire big boys because you know, you know what I mean, Like you just there's a reason why the Nigga is all group because they respect their times. And one when when Casey could take my mom, he coming crazy house in co He's just coming earlier. And then what it is and then Jos, I don't never ya, I said, why would he do that? Why would he break it down like that? Exactly? It's the compliment of you know what it was to when I

was a kid. It was again it was like and I love boys to man, but it was like this that genius stuff, like it's like y'are not you're y'all are unique. Y'all are doing your own ship, Like you know what I mean. I was always telling like people, I think it's so weird that for some reason as a kid, I was always like yeah, but I and I don't know if this is fully true or not, but I always be like, yeah, but Joe, see, they're producing write all their own stuff. I don't think boys

the man right, like, who gives a funk? I'm like arguing about the fact that DeVante is doing all his work like it like it makes them that much better. Crazy thing is, boys, the man was right. No, I didn't know that. In my mind. I was like, oh, y'all were like, you know, like like everything didn't write every single butt and I found out. I mean, there's

other people taken from your guy. I know you will jump over the table about Devonte's keep it fulk key though, But when we get into the Diary of a Man band, yeah, that album is we're talking about Devonte. That's fair me so so Timberlin don't got no hand and none of that.

I'm not saying. Here's what I gotta say. You have to think of think of it like this DeVante sound has not in any way, shape or form been replicated, and it hasn't got no and it hasn't got and it hasn't got nobody can do it like so you know, it's fair. It's fair. It's fair, it's fair. Fairr Okay, my heart belongs to you, yes, Jesus Christ. So the fourth one is, this is quite the hardest one is to pick a song off Confessions because I gotta get something.

It's so many confessions ain't a single so yeah, but to me, we're not here from me to me, it would be between Superstar and throw Back, Like those are two of my favorite songs all confession, but it's like, how do you pick one? You know what I mean? Like every time my head throw Back, it's like mine is what that's what it's made for. I haven't been to the show, but I'm going for sure. I gotta go.

I gotta go. Yeah. Just watching his fucking tiny desk, I'm like, it makes you realize there's a level, you know what I mean, Like this level like really good. I'm really good guys. So but you know what, I'm gonna go throw Back just because, Okay, the before and then five that's tough because then it gets it gets into the reason I even mentioned the R thing, you know what I mean? Like I really like, why don't we fall in love real quickly? For you? I'm sorry,

Seduction is my favorite. That crazy to though, that's that's that's that's my I'm gonna go with Throwback just because of like the hip hop so I love the merger of that. I love the merger of like hip hop, but like the emotion and singing on it. To me, that's like my favorite ship, which then leads me to like damn, you don't know my name? Why don't we fall in love? Like? I also think of like Lion Tigers and Bears, which is one of like one of the like I still go back to that song, like, Yo,

how did she do that? You know what I mean? Like, it's tough. It's impossible to pick five. Yes, you got to do it right. I gotta pick one of those three. I want to say, Oh, that's tough. I think I'm gonna go with you don't Know my Name, just because not only was it incredible, that ship went crazy too. It's just like somewhere else, yo, line Tigers and Bears, like those songs, like damn, it's a lot of good songs out there. All right, Um, R and B votron,

we're putting together the perfect R and B singer. Who are you taking the vocals from? The style from, the performance style from, and the passion. We're gonna start with the vocal Who are you getting your vocal from? For your coldest vocalist, Man, I'm gonna have to go usher mm hmm. I'm gonna go Usher with that because I feel like he can do everything with it. He's got all of it. Who are you getting your performance style from? Are we mixing like women? Because performance down? Man, Chris

is a monster, absolute monster. But Beyonce is also like insane, like she don't miss a No, I might have to go beyont ok. That's exciting. Who are you getting your style from? What you want your artists to look? Who you want your artists look? Damn, that's a tough one. I feel like it was it was old before that time. I think there was a lot about how like it felt like seeing Joe that he felt like dah, yeah, niggas look new to me, you know what I mean.

I was young, so maybe I'll missed like people that ushi that styling before them. But I just remember at that time. Now, I don't want Nigga's dressing like Jodie now, you know what I mean. But like at the time, it felt like it was unique. So I think that that mindset of like I also missed groups, man, groups was fine, But hey, man, you're you're very rich. You can go ahead and do a group now because you have me rich to a group. They don't want to do it, but breaking up guys, but I don't, I

don't know, Oh you know what. Actually I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say Aliyah her style was incredible. I remember being in school and girls showing up with like the Tommy Hill figure and showing their boxers, and that ship handily made it sexy for a girl to like be tomb like. I've never seen that. I wouldn't do my stage for sure where I saw girls and those were the sexy girls to me. So to me, I I'm

gonna go with Aliyah. So style, that's a good one. Yeah, passion, passion, you get the heart from whos gonna get you, whos gonna kick over the speaker man? You know, might have to go with Casey Casey see Haley what, Yeah, you're the first person to say that passion that It's crazy that he's the first person to mention Casey's passion, his passion, like you get hearing in his voice, somebody gave me life, you know, life, life if you think you lonely? Now,

now that niggle was going in toss it up. Yeah, that nig was going see baby talking. That nig came on like this because you know what, with passion also comes your flaws, Like you're times where people don't agree with you, but that's what passion is. It's Casey has Casey has a run pattern that is absolutely indescribable. It doesn't follow any technical run patterned, any rule of running. It's it's Casey. Yeah, it's his, it's his, it's his. And and whoever is followed behind him. You say, that's

that's Casey, that's Casey. That's Casey. Now, that's that's that's that. We got one more thing for you, though, you let your body here. What's up? So we got this this uh, this segment it's called I ain't saying on that. Will you tell us a story funnier, fucked up? Are funny and fucked up? The only rule is you can't say no name, So this is Eves. I ain't saying on that. Let me think. I do think this story is funnier when you know the name and it's not disrespectful to

the person. But I do want to think that it's that story I'm missing. Yeah, I'm gonna to go with this one because the first thing I thought of, um, it's like two thousand and eleven, and because because you know what it's important to what we are and it's like All Star Weekend and me and Cola like, at uh, it's like a two you know, the two Kings dinner Lebron and Jayson do and then it comes no. But but then they're not a part of story. They're not

a part of story. And you know, there's two people come up to us like, yo, y'all want to go y'all want to go to a party? I want to go to We're not gonna say this name party, and me and Coles like because like I feel like Nick is gonna be like doing coke off the table and all types of while she like we've just seen in the movie. I'm good, Like I'm good on this, Like yeah, I'm like I haven't heard about this nigga, Like I

know it gets wild. But they're like, nah, I just come through and in and we went and it was honestly the most I was drunk already, So you know, when you're drunk and you're kind of like, I don't want nobody know I'm drunk, especially in this establishment and this person it's not even really I don't even want to call it a party. It's like a jam session. And this nigga goes up there and you just started

playing the bass. His dances all dancing, so it's like basically like when the performance venue in this person's house and I'm drunk and I'm like, I definitely do not belong here, like I'm the last I'm looking around like I'm not supposed to be here, but I'm gonna enjoy this night. And this nigga goes up keep playing a bass. I mean, I guess at this one, it's like it's not best. So many things that could do this because the base down he starts dancing, drinking, he go back

up plays the drums. I'm like, this nig is that you goes back up start singing. I'm like, what am I? Why? How am I here? Like and and you know, I see this other artist who will remain nameless he liked damn. They're like, are you with this girl? I'm thinking about to like square up. I'm like, I'm sitting here again like somebody I grew up on him, like I don't want to see this, Like I'm just like, why am

I here? But that's one of the craziest memories I've ever had, because you know, the artist that way beyond my time is one of the greatest to ever do anything in music and to see that artist go up there on the base on the drums, on the guitar

start singing while everybody's just dancing. I'm like, I'm thinking I'm going to some house party in l A. And it's like, no, this was so the thought that I thought was I was gonna walk into like mounds of cocaine and I'm like, I'm not about that, Like maybe give me out of here. And just to know that it was like it was a jam session. That's one of my favorite like memories that because we also never like to see our heroes. Yeah, you don't want to see to get to see them, yeah, bro do they thing?

It was crazy because in my mind, I'm like I don't want to see that. I don't want to be in a place where I'm like, yo, like I don't want to see how like that, you know what I mean? And I don't have nothing against people that enjoy themselves and do that. It's just like I wasn't ready. I didn't have a good understanding of like anything in that, you know what i mean. So my mom, I'm like, yo, like I'm good, Like I'd rather keep them in my mind.

It's like howe but there was still a superhero's still a good one. We want to get we want to get pressed by ice Cube at some point. Yeah, I want. I want to if I see ice cust tell me to break myself. What I'm break yourself for? Why don't tell me to break myself? Let me have the car down the car though, you don't know why you got out and cut put some stuff in his eyes. He's not if you don't have to cry, escape, I want to cry. All right, listen, ladies and gentlemen, this has

been um. This has been an Army Money podcast, a very special Army Money podcast. Whether we thank you, appreciate you. I love what you'all do, man, and getting into the intricacies you know what I'm saying, and and and giving us a lot of organic information. You know what I'm saying in terms of just um, believing in yourselves you have, believing in your guys and rolling with it, betting on it.

I'm saying that there's, like you said, Jay, there's something to be said that the top of the food chain is constructed that way. No, for sure, y'all keep going, man, you know you got our support and man always revenge of the dreamer's toil or something. Yeah, I know it's a dream feel you know what I'm saying somewhere in the forests happening at y'all need performance, you need to come on. Man. I got it, I got it. I got y'all. Man, we got a song, y'all. This top

five right now, number one now for sure. Man, I got nothing but love for y'all. Um, I've appreciated that y'all have like always been genuine from day one. You know what I mean. So and and like you said, y'all building together. I know how that feels. So of course this is yeah. I love seeing the growth from everything. I'll do make dreams of sessions. I'm gonna call y'all love. This has been the boss right here on the R

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