HitMaka

I don't know how he did it. I don't know how he's doing it, but he's continuing to change the game and elevate himself and all the people around him. We're gonna find out today. We're gonna find out today, Hitmaker. Yes, first of all, thank you, Bro, thank you, thank you than being here. Man Um I've i've I've watched you for a very long time. I think you were sitting

in expedition was it Expedition? And and in the in the parking lot at the Underdogs oh joint on on in North Hollywood, put up in a ghost and you had the window down, you were smoking a little bit. You had your leg up and you said, listen, Man, you need to get some records from and I was looking at you and I need to get some record You need to get some records from me. I got hits, you got hit R and B. I got everything. Okay, I'm gonna call you. I'm gonna call you. Think it

was already Listen cut too, you called it. Yeah, you had him, you got him that some crazy terms to underdogs, bro, Like I know y'all experienced with the Underdogs is way different than mine. But just like catching that wave and being around Damon and Harvey and all them at the time. Man, you gotta think they had like the Avengers of songwriters and producers all in that yourself, jam j Q, what's Dawkins? It was just like, Bro, it was amazing. I learned

a lot really at that. And that's what I met Aaron Ray that signed the Interscope or whatever. Underdogs. Shout out to Aaron and we that we built our relationship. But man, damn, shout out to Damon Bro. I just seen his lad TV interview. You are a wild boy. Listen and if him maker cause you a wild boy. I used to live with him, so you know when I was damning homeless, he let me stay in on

his rooms. He was solid that he was cool. Listen, listen, we was up on top of the hill and the pool with it with simmer and the state will come off just called the hot Dog water. So you know, but well, Paul, you know what's going on there. Uh so listen with what what what our what our pod? You know what I'm saying, Like we are we we celebrate the music, and you go back a long way even before hit Maker. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. You had hits before Hitmaker. Yeah. Yeah. And so I

think I think people people. I don't want people to get lost in and what they see now and not understand the process and what it took for you to fucking get here, bro. And and if we can start at the beginning and kind of and kind of get to those pivotal points that were game changing for you and then make our way to one of the craziest change I've ever seen, we can make our way there.

You know what I'm saying. The people would love that, Okay, Right, so the beginning, I'm from South side of Chicago, you know what I'm saying. So I started there and like, um, a lot of people don't know my parents were millionaires, so like I came from Like yeah, like I ain't never had a sandwich, a hot dog at Hamburger lunch, a bully. I ain't never had burger king. I'm briefly like a McDonald's nugget maybe or something like that. I ain't never had none of that ship in my life.

And I'm in my miya thirties right now, so like that ain't never happened to me. Ever, I have peanut butter and jelly. I ain't never had a motherfucking uh chefs. Yeah, you know, I'm you know, I met his pops. I met his pops at the bm I award me this fool and Damon Thomas at the same table and his daddy, his daddy cool and the motherfucker. And he keep his camera out. He said, he said wait because he saw somebody else talk to me, said wait, did they say

you was Jay Pat. I'm like, yeah, like I ain't put out records in a honey is He like I know who you are. Let's take this picture because I'm gonna get a everybody in the mix. So he's not playing. So that that happened, And then um, I was you know, back in the day, I was, well, my next door neighbor was Shawna from disturbing the piece or whatever. We're getting some head. Her dad is buddy guys, So they

were my next door neighbor. They were the first people I've seen indoor pool outdoor pool flexed up or whatever. So she was in wrap groups and she was rapping and like that kind of like rubbed off on me, my brothers and like all the people around her or whatever. So I just seen it from that view. And then as I got old, I was a bad kid, bro

like not really bad, like like yeah, I was bad. So, like my parents got a divorce and my dad went back to the city and lived in one of his apartment building wanting pretty much like he went back to the hood, and uh, we was living in his apartment building on the East side of Chicago whatever, because my dad is like a real like real estate mogul in Chicago.

But he when they had a divorce, we left the big house and he like, fucking, I'm gonna just go live in one of my buildings and I'm gonna raise my son. So I didn't live with my mom. I wouldn't live with my dad, I got like the opposite story. So from there, like men, I started drinking and smoking, probably like sixth grade something like that. Like so I remember being in love with Wraps and Ship and like my daily routine, like my dad would give me like

twil dollars for lunch money. I would go and buy like a nickel bag of well by half hint of secrets. Gin. I would get on the bus and write Wraps and go to school. And this is like eighth grade, freshman year in high school. You know what I'm saying. Like I was wild and I used to a crackhead go by me half hint of sequence and you guys, you and this guy, no, no, no, I did my research on him. He's different. He's different, like for real, for real.

From there, I ended up meeting up some street niggers, you know the whole story. And then um, pretty much I created a demo with this guy named Books, who still works with Kanye to this day. They're like right hand or whatever. So my demo had Jesus to beat on it. My demo had all wait wait wait wait wait wait. That actual beat, the beat to Jesus Walks was a song by me before it was Kanye song and it was on my demo which led to me

to get signed as a kid. So from there, boom the dope way that the street dudes or whatever they take me, and then like we do the whole little tour, like I remember Tommy Boy wanted to sign me. Um, I met a whole bunch of people out here. They used to be a club called Luna Park, and I

think like the Lakers that just won the championship. I mind you, back when I was a little dude, I was like four ft four, like I was like a little little berg or whatever for real, for real, and I rapped for like jay Z, Dane Dash, Dr Dre, all these different people. So everybody was offering me deals, and just so happened. Eve had a stylist named Joe Exclusive that he shout out always somewhere, always in the mixture. That was Eve stylist, and I've been around Eve a lot.

So he introduced me to DMX at what these bitches want from a video shoot at the Paramount or whatever, and then from there I gave d MX my my demo and he was like, YO, shortly up, but I'm gonna get to you later or whatever. So he went smoked, and I went and I rapped for him, and like, I'm from Chicago. So my first rap was like I say, with the sense and like some twister ship and he was like, joy, I understand, what the funk you said,

Give me another one. So I did another one. The whole fucking trailer erupts, and the next day I come back Aliyah's dad, they're in the trailer playing my music. They're going crazy or whatever. Lead to me signing the DMX, and that's what I like a real kid. But I was. I was like me, now I'm smoking a cigarette, smoking weed, drinking, Like were you you you with your guys from Chicago, you know with Pops, You're not. No, I wasn't whip hops, so like I'm moving like a grown man. Yeah, Like

I was really rebellious. You gotta think back in those days, the rapping was about staying true to Like I mean, I had so many bricks in my raps or whatever, like I wanted to be industry. Like I was literally selling crack, like like my parents are millionaires and I was spitting out rocks and selling them to my like crackheads and on the corner, like I really wanted to live that life like and be about that with my raps. So from there, my pops in them seeing I was

so rebellious that they just standing my way. I was leaving regardless whether y'all let me go or whatever. I'm going regardless, So they took me all these different places and then that was my first time meeting Rage and then DMX was just like, Shorty, I'm gonna sign you. It's not gonna be quick, but I'm gonna sign you.

And I was like I bet and um, the street dudes that brought me there, they got insecure because I was working with everybody wanted to sign me and I wasn't the lead act like the guy's like son was the lead act and I won't say it and ain't selling music business or whatever, God bless him or whatever. So that ship happened and like this was like my first like crazy experience in the music business, Like I

never forget it. We was in New York and DMX was pulling up the Quad studio and they're like, Yo, we're gonna DMX want to see you. I was there with Eve with the Street guys, so the Street guys like they pulled me in the bathroom, Like, nigga, you act like you want to sign a DMX thing. We're gonna kill your mama, We're gonna kill your daddy. Nigga, we don't give a funk. But I'm like like, damn, Like I'm a kid for a team. So I see X. I was holding back a little bit, X telling me like,

we got the deal. We're gonna give you fifty dollar the Evans, We're gonna do this. But I couldn't really show no love. So we went back to Chicago and we're in the studio and the guy that owned the studio came in and he wasn't a rapp up. He just went't got in the booth while he was in there working like yeah, shorty, busting nothing your mama face, and I do this. Then a third I'm like damn yeah, So I went in the booth and I lit his ass up, flame this ass up and shipped from now.

When I came out the booth to start putting hands on me or whatever, and they like locked me in the room and like books was the guy that pulled me out the room. And then that's how I got out of my contract with the street guys or whatever, and then I signed my deal with DMX and that's how that started. Yeah, he was a producer, he's a top producer. Got to just taught me all the stuff. Like, no, he's a producer, he's just a music guy. But the street guy that was running this ship was on some

sugar night ship. So when like after he wrapped and I after he put the pieces on me, he like handing me a pin and in a paper like write a rap nigga, write a wrap. I own you, nigga. And then I was a kid. So once they put hands on me, you know, I went back and told my parents and that's how I got out that deal with the street dudes. And then d m X signed me directly. Shit, and this is the beginning, this is

your first experience in the music. Then yes, amazingly enough, So that was that was pretty crazy, and then that started the DMX era, the Bloodline era, Like rest in piece to X man, that man was really good to me. You know what I'm saying. Paul's and uh man, I mean he stole my first piece of pussy like I was still a virgin. He dirty stole my first piece of ass, like was it really yours though? Because he was the star? Yes, but look so look yes it was.

It was. Well listen, we all know how this ship goes. So look we in that we in Canada film and Exit Wounds the movie or whatever with Steven Seagal and all them. And I'm up there with him while he's up there, and we go to a club and we vibe, and he loves pool, so we go to a club that got pool tables and then we vibing and whatever, and I found me a joint and I would enjoy the whole night, so, you know, to play the artist.

When he leaves, he leaves in his car and then the entourage they get in with the homies and security. So I got in with the entourage with the girl too, and I'm in the band playing with you know what I'm saying. It's my first time. So this DMX is literally a dog though like rest in pieces, literally like a real dog and human form. So like I get out the car, he already in his room security and

got his straight. I go up there and like he had the presidential suite and I was in room like sixteen oh two, right next to his so I get there and I'm putting the key in the room and the next thing I know, the door playing open. The presidential sweety like what I'm like? What he like? Hey, oh my uh, I think you left your person in my room. And we've never been to the hotel at all. Like we met the women at the hotel and he made a beeline away from me and I've never seen

that woman again. So what I'm going to tell you, my brother, it wasn't your You weren't you weren't hit making again he wasn't hit And that was your introduction into this ship. I was trying to jump in the game. Man. He took took my took my vibe away from me. Man for real. So whoever you are, young lady, if you're watching this right now, you're not low. So what's the what's the next pivotal point? Do you think after sign of the DMX, now it's time. Now's tending to

showing proved put some numbers on the board. Yeah, So I think that X, when they gave him a deal or whatever, he was just so on fire that he didn't really know the business was that he wasn't in the vibe of really creating a business. He was ex you know what I'm saying, but he had the right people around him, shot out to Jash Young, Tina Davis, Kevin lows Le or all the people that was around or whatever. So at that point, the nigga gave me a dog and was like, sure, you gotta take this

dog everywhere with you. So like I literally had a dog and pitpu and I took the dog every a dog, taking a ship in depth, jam in front of the or office. They ain't saying nothing to me or whatever, like I'm really running around with a dog from there at fourteen two. Yes, so here's the crazy chain of events. So now I got guns and ship in my house

or whatever, like I'm wilding. So like one of my people's double cock the gun while I wasn't there, and the gun went off, and I was living in a town home, so the gun went through my floor and went through a baby's carriage, but thank god, the baby wasn't there. So the police rushed my crib that they had paid for me. I was living in Edgewater, New Jersey or whatever. This word got back to my mom and my dad and then you know, them being rich people,

I never forget. I went back to Chicago, and my mom hit me like, yeo, I want to take you to the mall. And I'm like, I'm about to go back to New York. I do want to grab a couple of things. Come on, let's go. So we went. She's getting all these mysterious phone calls and ship. I'm like, what the fun is going on? She's like, I was my new husband. He's gonna meet us at the mall. So we're going to the the mall. I bought some ship. I come out and it's two Samoan niggas, like six

ft niggas at my mom's car. And then I'm like, what's up and she's like, they're like, hey, Chris, these guys are working on my house. And they're like we hear you do music. Good to meet you. And I'm like yeah. Then my mom is just like, Chris, you gotta go to school, and just went jumped in her car and Niga pop the trunk and it was all closed and ship like that. So now I'm in a parking lot of the mall fighting with these two Samoan niggas.

They put me in cuffs, the plastic cuffs and they put all the ship out my mom trunk and put in the car and they put me in the renter car. So now I'm just riding. Yes, I'm riding. I got a record deal, I'm signing a deaf jam. I'm doing all this ship. So we're driving. I'm like, all, I bet we in Chicago. Now we're downtown Chicago. I'm like, oh, where we're going. They're like, we can't tell you nothing. You know when you get there. So now we have old hair airport. I'm like, what the fund is we

doing at the airport. So they holding me as we walked through t saying it's two Samoan dudes, and it was a black lady. She's like, get your hands off that boy. What's your guy? I'm like, I don't know them. I run away in the airport. I run to a daddy and my dumbass. I'm like, man, just take me wherever you are gonna take me. We get there, we get on the first plane. We go to Lake Vegas.

They give me a note. The note from my mom basically saying she signed away all her child parenttal rights to a concentration camp type ship and I was going to school or whatever, and From there, I ended up in Spokane, Washington. From there, I ended up in Thompson Falls, Montana. And that's how I lost my record deal with DMX. They put me in a boarding school to where you couldn't look at girls who couldn't have condiments while bay and they're paying five thousand. I was a month for

you to be there. So while you were there and they tell you a piece of ship, your parents are going to seminars to convince them to tell them it's the best thing for you. Now, me being a delinqu when I acted up there, they sent me to Jamaica to some ship called High Impact. So I had to walk the same school sent you Ica. Your parents. These people are just moving around. They signed over there. So I was being I was acting out in Montana and they sent me to some ship called high Impact in Jamaica.

I had to walk a hunted laps with a ten pound brick on my back get back to Thompson Falls, Montana. And I did that, and then my father finally came and got me like, no, i'muna say that. I didn't know nine eleven happened. I didn't know nothing. You couldn't watch TV. You couldn't read books, you couldn't do it, so you basically just cut off from the world. And that's how I lost my record deal with the MX.

What's the name of the school. It was called Spring Creek Academy and they if you google it right now, like they got shipped with like the people the guards were sexually harassing people, Like they found out that the owner of the ship was a molester. Like it's like a crazy, crazy story. Oh, they sent there to a boarding school. And people don't realize that, not even just black any like rich people, rich people sitting their kids to boarding school, like boarding school. Yeah, my mom said,

you do one more thing. So what happened there? Your parents cause afford the board that's why you didn't know he didn't do that thing or what happened. I think that's what saved the five came. That's when I got kicked out of school. So when I got finally kicked out, like my father came up to the school, it's like maybe like a month and a half left of school.

My father came up to school for like the you know, fourteen times, and the principal looked at my father said, listen, if you take him home and never bring him back. I'll pass him, take him. He was like me, but he was doing this in a military house, my father military. What I got torn out of the frame. It was different. See, I was getting all F my whole park car with F when I got these, boy, I was getting Jordan's. I gotta see, boy, I was getting in Jordan's. That's crazy.

But you know, you know what the wild thing about that? And I was having a conversation with my guy both that produced the show as we were talking about that, and a lot of times, what it is is this curriculum. Right, Like you were a talented child, right, that doesn't mean that that fits inside of the frame of the way

that our curriculums set up. They were trying to teach you things that you were never going to use in your life, right, Because let's let's be honest, most of these things are built on people raising workers because for societies to work, you need workers. So a lot of times they only teach you to be that. Right. So when you have this talent, That's why you see so many kids that have become successful saying they told me

I wasn't gonna never be shipped. It's some of you niggers out here lying, some of you niggas lying you're teaching to check you that you look dumbass m. But it did happen to a lot of kids though, that didn't want to pay attention in there because these things didn't peak their interests. Interested. So I look at someone like yourself and I see your successes and I'm like, Okay, I get it. It's not like, oh, he didn't know it and he's not a smart dude, because you obviously

a smart guy. You know how to run your business. But these things that they were teaching and the way that they were teaching you, we're not advantageous to where you were going. Hell, I wouldn't, and I'm glad I won't remember that point because it's something that happened later in my life when I worked at Atlantic Records that remind me of what you just said or whatever. So I'm gonna keep that in mind when we get to the to that moment though. For Yeah, that's all facts

right there. So your pups come get you out of border. He saved you? Yeah? Wait, but did he? So you know you were going there? You know I've been so bad, you know how you just so terrible to your parents that your dad might drop Mike and be like, man, you can't even get your mama. I could do my mama harping on doing this ship, but I ain't put him in a position to where he could throw any more flak back I had already been, so Bogus was like, all right, back, God, you know what I'm saying. So

he came and got me. I found out nine eleven happened. I found out a lead passed. I ain't know nothing like I got lovely, I got tattooed, Leo back my neck with folk Drake all stuff or whatever, shout to tray. But um so from there, like my dad would just put me on game, like yo, you know you got cousins that do music too, Like Kenny Gamble is your cousin Cambu. I'm like, who is that? And then they started he started putting on game and like all the

records they rote or whatever. So I'm like, damn, that's what's up. And my dad took me back to the city. He invested in me, helped me getting the studio whatever, get some studio time, and from there I was like making dope music and I went and I knew Eve,

and then Troy Carter became my manager. Troy and Jay Irban, they had a company called Irvan Wonder Back and then Eve got the TV show to do on U p N. So at that point, Troy was like, I'm moving to l A. If you want to come to l A, I think this is where you could break and I can help you, give you some opportunity whatever. So I'm the l A. Troy pay for my condo or whatever. I moved to l A and then I was out here and I was working with Troy, and then the

first project they got me was Eve. I wrote the title track, the hook to the title track on Eve's album Evolution, and I was like, damn, Like I don't even know what ghostwriting was or writing whatever, but I was just doing anything to get a couple of dollars,

to do anything to be in a mix. From there, we did barbershop soundtrack that Eve was on, and then um, I didn't mean a lot of people, and I met this girl named Morgan Smith that Eve was the executive producer of the project in Troy and Jay had signed her to Interscope and she was a young woman, pretty rapper beautiful girl, and I wrote a whole album and so like the projects, Yeah, I wrote the whole album top to bottom down, executive produced what it produced or whatever.

You know what I'm saying. I was pretty much hurt. So that was my first way to get into the game. I never forget this ship. Um, this nigga Troy my brother now too. I'm I'm gonna say that much of my life story you might as well. So the nigga Troy had had me wearing like his diamond chain. It's back when diamond chains first popped off with the dogs tag or whatever. I was wearing the ship and fucking uh the nigga were in there. We're working on the album.

I remember we're doing this ship and uh, I'm like, well, ship, what's up? Like you know, like I wrote the album, like get paid? Like what's up? Y'all got some bread for me? He liked, think, Uh that chain I showed payment for the album. I'm like, what's But he was my manager and my dog and I love juryus so much as y'all still to see that. I was like, yeah, you know what, all right, I'm gonna take the chain. I'm gonna ride it out. And this is the funniest

part of the story. So we go in the House of Blues still alive and it's still running and they were managing Jada kiss at the term too, So I went in there. I got drunk with Jada kiss On Hennessey. I'm loaded or whatever, me and Troy and so you know, you get loaded. So now I'm mad about not having no money, you know what I'm saying, Like, yeah, me,

y'all know Troy a little to me. And Troy got into a fistfight altercation in front of the had a lightweight now in front of the House of Blues, like you know where the London is, right on that little broad are you talking about? So we fought and he took the chain and the chain popped or whatever, and he took the chain. So now I'm like, damn with the chain that You're like, yeah, I'm gonna get it to you whatever, blah blah, and uh, he end up

getting the chain away. I ain't gonna get in details about that, you know what I'm saying, because that's my dog or whatever. But he gave the chain away and I was just like damn, Like I just felt so betrayed, Like damn, I wrote this ship. Subsequently, the girl end up getting dropped, her mom was a movie and all the other stuff happened. So now I was just back at square one with Troy and Sam team. So I like,

you still ain't really grown at all. So from there, like I'm I'm on hard times, you know what I'm saying. I think Troy and Jake, I remember that's when they became like the remember Vincent Herbert. They did a deal with Vincent Herbert. They had like this fucking office on Sun or whatever. Yeah, blah blah, and it was yeah, yeah, Matthew knows it wasn't. Shout out to Matthew knows too. Yeah yeah, yeah, shout out to Matthew. I like how

you think too, man. So that happens, and then I think the timeline from there is that me, Troy and Jay we end up parting ways. Was you know what I'm saying? Behind that or whatever, they just got too busy for me, you know what I'm saying. Like, so I was out here and I end up moving in my weed man, you know what I'm saying. And my weed man was a club promoter at a club called privilege. And this is back in the era of t K. Y'all remember in you know, t K worked for Hypnosis.

Now that the people that's buying all the catalogs or whatever from people t K, he's gonna find a way shout out to you know what, shout out to Los Angeles, because Los Angeles is a place where you can find it. TK had a locka My god, that's when l A was really yes yea Monday. So I was doing that. My my weed man was a promoter at the club. So he ended up introduced me to DJ Echo and

um Echo was at Power one oh six. And then from there, I remember I did this song called Sexy Lady, and like we didn't have no engineer or none of that ship. So we're not We're not just gonna let you just breeze over that record. Though bro thought I thought he was gonna get into it. He goes into it. Take like that's the motherfucker hit record. Come on, don't don't play with the record like it's just it's weak. No, Look dude Jr. Who sings the hook on Sexy It

was like my brother his sister was so beautiful. Oh my god, man, I loved it so that she was one of the battle ships ever. But so that's the tope bar. But anyway, um, I remember recording the record at my engineers uh, at my my weed man's house, and that we had no engineer. So like I would press three and leave it from the beginning and go run into the booth and then wrap my ship. You know what I'm saying, and go back and do it again. Whatever. So we flushed the song out and my weed man

was the promoter, so we kept going to Privilege. We kept going to t K Ship and Echo would spend my joint. Like I remember going there with a chinchill on boy be hot at hell outside in that l a boy. But I was just doing anything to be noticed. This is back in the day. He was a promoter. Wet had no money, so we would go to Rouse and buy the bottles. Before we get to the club, he would sneaking being through the back and then bring

him out to us or whatever. Yeah, like we're doing a vibe, so the song starts bubbling and then we created a database of He used to hand the clipboard out at the club and get everybody number and get our body shipped or whatever. So from there, Echo was like this song is kind of blowing up, like I want to take you to a Power one or six mixer meeting. I go to Power one oh six. I

tell my life story for them niggas. I cried a little bit at the end of the ship or whatever, and they were standing ovation started off and mix show. About like six weeks later, she was in Power Rotation. I had no deal or nothing, and it was not It was like it was random because I'm from Chicago. I'm not even from l A. So you're thinking that maybe somebody from l A that could be their story that I get a record, I'll get into the DJ and I go up. So now I'm just blew up.

Sexy Lady was the hottest ship in the streets. So from there, my management now or my business partner now that I worked with Billy J who worked with John Monopoly. At the time, we was all kids and should he called somebody an Epic Records looking for somebody else, and I think Dave McPherson and some ship like that well Sony or whoever back in the day was the big dog and a lady named Katie. Katie Welly picked up she was a Keith and after les assistant she wasn't

she was. She was like famous one if she was that famous music when I was that Miss Katie is now any yeah, Katie a big dog now. And you don't know this, but Katie was instrumental and clearing some of our records for it. That came through Sony, so shout out yeah business. So Katie Welly heard the record, called the record. It was already blowing up, and she introduced Billy to Keith and then I did a showcase and Keith came and from there they gave me a

label deal. Like I take it. You know, I didn't meet Charlie Walk. I just met Keith or whatever, and then they gave me the label deal. From there, the record was already blowing up. And then Junior, the guy that was on the hook, I got the big head and was like this, they don't even like your partner's song. On the song, it's really about me as the hook. I'm like, NIGGI, you ain't write the hook though, you know what I'm saying. And you my brother, so you

know how to label. Did you write the song about the sister? Hell no? He said something about he said something like his sister was dating t R at the time, Jason Josh Ship. We knew his interview was. So from there that happens and we get the deal. Junior gets the big head. So Junior supposed to be signing my company. They went back door and me epic and signed Junior to his own deal. So I'm like, we had this demo together and all the other ship they wanted the songs.

I'm like, I'm not getting ahing, no song. I gotta give me a quarter million dollars or to walk in the studio with this nigga. So they never did it. They sent him on a world tour and then they end up dropping the nigga or whatever office ship. And then from there was one of the moments I put out that record on the EP, and this is when ray J was just on fire, like he was like what like A like, I it's brandy brother. He knocking everything down like he was the guy to me. So

I'm like, I want ray J on my EP. So my manager finds ray ray J who who still works with ray J, and they developed a scooty bike and all that ship together. That's further down the line or whatever. So Ray come to the studio. You're like, yeah, you know, m No, you like the sexy is in the game right now. I'm like what Like, he like, you know you got the sexy Lady. I got this record I want you to hear though it's called Sexy Canna. I'm like, I'm good off that. Like I already had the song

on the business with the girl cash and singing. I'm like, I'm coming with that nixt I know what this is. And he's like, Nah, it's gonna be big for us bro. So he did his record on my ship. He left somehow. I was like no, Like I was on fire. I was like, had the number one regular country. I'm not gonna get to that shop. I ain't gonna do that show.

I want to go with what my plan is. From there, he got into Charlie Walk because Ray Jackson did a deal with Cotch Records, and if you remember Cotch D and Shadow, we're working all the Urban Records and everybody, everybody. So from there, Charlie Walk calls me to New York, summons me to New York. I'm thinking, like we're going to talk about my next single and ship like that, I go in there. God bless me, Charlie. I'll love you. Man. Charlie had to be on some cope and some ship

like that or whatever, like whole and not. The nigga was on top of his piano dancing too sexy can I Like in the in the Epic Records office, He's dancing on top of the piano. My brother like dancing. He's like, it's gonna be the biggest record of your fucking career. I'm like what. I'm like the record you turned out? Yeah, I'm like, bro, because ray J gave it the cops. So now they're thinking like they're gonna

back door or whatever. So I'm like, bro, I'm gonna be the sexiest nigga in America from sexy Lady to sexy can I am? I right saying fred is my album name. I'm too sexy. Now you're like, how am I going from sexy lady to sexy can I? And then Charlie was like, man, what is gonna take you to do this song? It's gonna be the biggest record of your career. I said, um, you gotta buy me

an epic record. Shame He like that's all. Yeah, this fucking jury man, you so look that nigga gets off the piano and then he goes and I'm like, yo, Jason and Beverly Hills my jeweler, you gotta get me the chain. He called Jason right there. Probably came out of my budget or whatever. They got me the chain on the spot. So now I'm like, man, they put me in a corner. They to pay for the chain.

So from there I go to Miami and from like literally the Delano to Wet Willie's, I wrote my verses and and finished the song in between writing it from there so we can do that. I do my verses that Circle House Studio and then the cookies Man cookies or you know they got mango trees in the back baby. So at that point, and this is a crazy time when I did the record, like this is like my sex. Like I was introduced to ecstasy from like r Gotti and jar Rule when they had the Murder Mansion with

another just hit up last Left Turn. Yeah, I was in to do so look, but I did my verses for that. I met Pleasure p for the first time or whatever Circle House Studio, and Pleasure was like, hey, you want one of these? He gave ship, he gave me and whatever. So I oh, and I did my verses but for the song, and I remember Pitt Bull was there and I'm like, bro, you want to ecstasy because I'm so geeked up, but he like, no, Poppy, I'm from my MDI if I'm gonna get to it,

I'm gonna get to it. I'm not gonna just reminded me of my scarface dancing and the club. So you he wasn't gonna play with it. So I get my VS and I never forget. We went from their circle house. We've been back to l A. So not a record done. We're here in l A. And uh, they like, Ray wants to finish the song with you. So I'm like, I bet so this like in between him giving me the song or whatever. Now he did his deal with Vivid. You know what I'm saying, Like it's through the roof

and the now now is a thing. So so this's all of the same time. Yeah, that's all in the same So before he had the song kind of before he the tape came became a thing when he did his deal and got his bag from it. So now you know, we had um encore. You know he's pulling up Lamborghini right, you know, he in his bag or whatever. So I never forget it. We get in there and then um, he's like, yo, my brother, Um, I'm with cash or the girl that's saying the hook on the bundess.

She was like my best friend at the time or whatever. So he like, man, you know, I don't need no disrespect, but you mind if I like, I gotta get into my energy. You mind if I play these I don't want to distract your girl. And you just threw out a bunch of vivid DVDs a porn movies on it on account and I'm like, bro, this's my best friend. You could play that. So we in encore he put the pornough on the TV or whatever. Mind you, Tierra, but Ree is his girlfriend too, so Thierra Marie is

with him while we're doing all this at encore. So okay, we finished this song and I'll never forget he was doing he gotta run at the end where you're like getting in, but he was in there like I gotta give you my Stevie. I gotta hit my Stevie, and like Tierra Marie was clowning him so bad while we was doing this ship. It was the most hilarious ship. So we finished the song and then next thing I know, they like, this ship is about to be the biggest

song with your career is to hit blah blah. Because when I did this song, like Ray would go for four bars and not say nothing, then like a minute later he would pop back in with four more bars and then to be blank again. So I kind of like arranged his part and wrote my part and came up with other parts for us to do together on the song. So that's how that went. From there, we go to Miami shooting the video. So we're shooting the first shot of the video, me and him in Lamborghini.

I'm smoking a Blunt's police around us there to secure us in Miami for the shoot. I'm smoking this down to a roach. I'll throw it out the Lamborghini before the first take of the video. The police that's securing us come pick the roach up off the ground smelling and pulled me out the Lamborghini and locked my ass up right there on God, y'all hired them to arrest you, pretty much. Nigga took me to jail. Jack, I'm not even talking about like it was nothing like about Miami jail.

I had to belt a couple of homies out. Y'all know who y'all are. Um cost me ten thousand dollars one weekend, you know, but I ain't gonna never believe Miami jail for it to be that hot outside. Nigga tried to ask one of the home He told me when they got out, we got the nigs out of like five six in the morning. He said, you know, they tried to ask me for my shirt. Bro, I said, you did you give me your shirt? I ain't give him. They don't tell when they can ask you for next.

Get your shirt up. Yeah, I know about all that in there. So I'm in jail and they're going to add to the story. So this is around the time. You know, Ray J and Shaquille O'Neil our partners on the Sexy Canna song and money Mark or whatever what's the make of that beat used to be with Shack whatever like man his name mark, and long story short, that's when Shaquille was on his like sheriff type ship. He just became like a cop. So the ni Shakille came and built me out of jail like ten hours

later or whatever. Yeah, in Miami, in Miami. He was a sheriff in Miami exactly. So he came and got me out of jail. I think I spent like and I was in jail. I get there as nighttime. We shoot the end of the video. You wouldn't even know whatever, Like it never happened. I'll get right back to shooting the video. Still shooting the video in jail. There. We just gotta keep going. The home gonna be good, be good. He just he just down right, don't be good, trust

me to home. Me. His way around was the exact vibe, and he was on. And when I got back ship, he was already super geeked up on a on a bean, on his ecstasy or whatever, and then gave me an ecstasy. I popped that ship shot right back. I'm going to watch this video. Ye listen, man, I gotta go. I gotta go reway back into those times. I just think about all of the clubs, all of the move around that I was. I never had none of those ecstasy in my system. I mean, the Valentine around ecstasy is amazing.

Ecstasy was amazing. Ecstasy was not today, I don't pop peels, I don't do dress. But in that time, what it was, it was the pure it was. It wasn't stepped on that. It was beautiful. I used to wake up like nigga because you know, like ecstasy kind of gave you the bubble. Guys, you gotta go to the bathroom. I don't know. I used to wake up at my career Nigga and Poppa ecstasy Nigga, like upon the wake up take off. Then you know what I'm saying, you're the bathroom showers, so

you fresh for today. I'm being on ecstasy, nigga. Not am I was? I was. I was a social you know what I'm saying, Like where we're going, Oh shooting, we get there, pop up, we're gonna be there for two or three. I was turned up that that was me. You know, I come from the drug dealers, you know, so you know my my experience of it in my outlook. You've never done ecstasy. I've never done anything. Oh man, you should try shrooms like the little chocolate. Yeah, micro doce.

It's close to it, without the without the hangover, without the bullshit that coming next day. You micro doce a little bit, you'll be a vibe. You will be a vibe. You think you're popping that management ship. Now you think you're talking cash. Tell me boy, that ship like power and listen he already called me with fifteen ideas already, Bro, I'm cool. I appreciate you know. I mean what y'all trying to do? I ain't. Yeah, thanks to see what beautiful back in. So we do that, guys, So what happened?

So we do that with range, finished the video and then um ship they put that sexy canal and I ain't gonna lie of that ship. It's the rocket ship rocket. I never expected it to be that. Never, because you gotta think they had put like styles P and other niggas before they put me on the record, and then they was like visually, just don't match up styles P, Like what's super hard? You know what I'm saying. So they win came and got me and um man, that ship took off like a rocket. Next thing I know,

me and Rayge. They like back to back tour buses Nigga on the road promoting Sexy Canna, which I've seen some of the craziest ship on the road with rage shout out to him in his relationship or whatever nine and him and Princess of number of respect. But y'all gonna get these stories from that era different. It is

what it is, sorry, right story Listen listen. All roads in the music that the the music bit, all roads and entertainment somehow all roads somehow nigga all roads like Ray Jr. Fucking urban legend, nigga Ray j took Whitney Houston a compound with us and there you have it. I'll never forget this ship ever. Like Whitney, and this was my first time meet and Whitney she was a gangs still like she was one of the ones, like for real, Like were in there, like she's smoking a

cigarettes chain smoking cigarettes. Vibe. Man, We had compound. We're in the back waiting. She like, man, send one of the motherfucker's in there, go get us some patrol. They came out with the gallon of patron for us. Me and Whitney throwing back patrol shots out the gallon together. From that night we went in there. She came in

the club while we performed Sexy Canna. She was standing in the club with us as a picture on my Instagram and me her ray j from that night they go walking in compound like, no cop, let's take the shot. Rest in peace. Whitney too, good terms man too, Raglar. So you have your one right, you're moving at young bird, you know what I mean. It's you know, we're out here and making her records. You're getting that side of the business. You're getting that side of the paper and

that money. Um. And then what what was what was the moment for you where you were like I gotta make a ship. So look I went and like, um, I moved to my I was living in a big gas creb out here like all Topanga or whatever. And I had a bunch of niggas living with me, and I looked at my bills. I'm like, damn, I'm like spending like fifty hours a month, and you know what I'm saying. To live before, I didn't smoke a blunt or do anything like the house and nothing. Nothing. I

ain't got no nothing. It is just me. So um. From there, I was just like, man, I'm out my paper getting low, you know what I'm saying. So I moved to Miami and well, actually I was presented with an opportunity. A guy named Brian McKinney, who played for the Minnesota been instrumental in a lot of cool music. Ship Man. Yeah, so Brian was like, look, I'm starting my label. I believe in you. I know you're writing, producing, you do good records or whatever. I want you to

help me with my label whatever. And I'm gonna move you to Miami. And she you ain't gotta worried about nothing. I got the studio in my house. And at this point Briant was the guy like he blew people tow a bag. Niggers don't understand what the lineman's make in the NFL. They make the real back bro. He the blind side. They made movies about the good bro. He was getting the bag. I've never so from there. He moved me to Miami, and I'll never forget when I

get to Miami. Now it's the w Hotel Brickle or whatever. But in the back they got the living, the house and the residential ship. They could pay my whole rent for a year. I think my my my rent was like eight thousand dollars. He came in and paid it in one wap for twelve months like ship. So I ain't had no bills, no more and I moved to Miami and I was dropped a hunting on it. Yeah, he take this, and I was just moving around with that nigga. Boy. That nigga was a party animal, man,

I'm talking about He's an animal man. I lived the life of all lives with him. Like I remember, we came out here for BT Awards, and this nigga must have flew every little dirty lady from King of Diamonds with him them to even the fat girls came. Every little dirty nan. Me and Tank play basketball the King of Dinnerstball. Did you get that haircut at the King? You never played volleyball? Ye, y'all was with phob y'all there with Pho Me. Y'all seeing it like y'all seen.

And we got there in six Yeah, we spent the full take a. Brian flew like thirty women from King of Diamonds to l A for BT Awards, and I keep we were all staying at the Montreal and like twenty hotel rooms black and I ain't know, like it was crazy because like I was spending my own money on drinks, like you know, I had girls coming through and I walked in one of the strippers room. These ladies had room service power to the floor. I'm like, how y'all buying all this? Like his credit card is down?

At the incidentals, I said, holy ship, I caught all. Scott Ball was balling out of control. So Brian Man he came in, really was like an angel for me at that time because I'm still trying to figure it out. So from there trying to figure it out, I'm like, uh fucking I'm moved to Atlanta. I moved to Atlanta, and I realized how clicky it was in Atlanta because it would be like Polo and them over there a

con and booing them over here. But everybody had their own little ship, so I couldn't really get into the mixed team paying over here or whatever and DJ infamous like I go and I, um Well. First happened was I signed producers and then we did this record by this guy. It was kind of like a one hit one day. It was like called Snapbacks and Tattoos. Snap Back. We did the song. Yeah, that was like one of

my first producer like joints or whatever. Yeah. I did that record shot to Drinking Shot as a coop and then from there, um I did put my dea publishing deal with my producer with Ludicrous, with Shaka and Jeff. And the funny thing is because Sean Disturbing, Sean Famoso and Tune Day were the little guys under Sean Shock and Jeff who now run LVRN or whatever they was under them, So like I was able, they were young, I was young. We like in the same age range.

So I got the publishing deal for my producer and then from their idea a hook for DJ Infamous called Double Cup and I was on the song. And that's the first time I ever said hit makers. I was on the song as me, Ludicrous, Juicy j and uh Young Jeez. So this around the time or whatever they like niggas weren't working with me, and like this be a hunted, you know what I'm saying. I was like I had a bad stigma on me, but I was Infamous was looking out for me, and Jeez was on fire.

So we're shooting a video and ship but Jez didn't want to let me in none of his shots or whatever because he didn't want to be to be around him or nothing like that or whatever. So you know, I got lit on the set They're like action, Well, I go running. Jess already knew what this did. Ringing shot. She was like, man to go chrip crazy. This was like, bro, you gotta go. You already did your I did my part already. I was just leaking around. Yeah, I was

there from the daytime. Now you know, Jeezy to start some week coming later. He's showing up late. But I'm like, damn, I wrote the song. It's me on the hood. It's my song. I gave it him how you don't want to be around me? And I'm on to it's my song. From there, that was like the first time I ever said hit maker. And I was just like and it didn't happen like I'm hit maker, Like you know what I'm saying. That's why I'd be weird when people be like, well,

burg nigger, I'm still a burg. I'm still a young girl. Unless I do a face off nigger, I'm still a young bird. I can call me wherever you won't. You know what I'm saying. I don't care. You already got check calling me whatever out whatever. So from now, I do that that record and then I'm in I'm in Atlanta, and I had a bunch of demos that I had from Miami and like, I'm like, damn, how do I do this? And fucking Vincent Herbert Cousin ends up getting

contact with me. I sent him a record, got to Tamar and it got to Vince, and Vince was like, man, I want to bring you here to l A to work on this Tamarrow album. And they flew me out first class. I'm like, oh shoot, I'm back first class because you know they can go down to coach. You know what I'm saying. Like when I'm like cut off, you know you're back in the humble beginning. Flew me first class, put me at the Sophie till for yourself. I still be trying to fly coach. He won't let me. Man,

my ass touched the coach seat. Like listen, I don't give a funk I do, because you see where the thing is. You're about to put out your single. You will care because they don't catch your I won't or whatever like this because they won't listen, because they won't catch me on the mouth over because no, no, no, no, no no no no no listen listen. Takes a covert he got from Delta and I literally put nick, I put the cover on. If you see a white comber on the plane, it's probably me, Like I don't I

don't even know the trick time. So you how I do that in first class? I'll do that when he's spending his money. You coach, He's like, man, I ain't got time for this ship, but I promise you we send that rider to the promoter. I'm judging you. I'm judging you because I judged the women that they get flyouts based off that. Like if you fly, if you fly first class when you're booking your own flight, I'm

gonna fly your first class. If you fly coach when you book your own fight, you get were But we're working either way. I mean, maybe they're working too, but you know what I mean. But when we're working, and it's it's a part of the you know, it's a part of the writer. It is what it is. But the truth of the matter is, even when I fly myself first class, right for me, it doesn't really it's just me. They don't really not see I have bad luck with it, and I don't care about perception. I

had bad luck with I'm the Valentine. I had bad luck as a youngster though, because it's a different type of hurt and feeling that you got when you get on a plane and like an Angela Simmons and man, young bird, you gotta walk back and then you gotta walk back like hey, everybody, everybody got I'll say hello. I might even stop talking to him for a minute. I see y'all on the plane land. Man, Yeah, everybody got suck that up for me. I ain't flying coach.

That's my dog. My dog. Me and Bow had dark days or whatever back in the day, just over whatever stuff and women and stuff like that. But man, that's my dog now. But I'm not gonna coach. I don't get the bag has to be well, if the bag is that big, then why would I be flying coach? Anyway. I was about to say, like if it's a million dollars somewhere that it's like, yo, you you have no choice but to get on it. I'm out coach me,

you know what I'm saying, masked up or whatever. But I asked, ain't uh, I ain't touched no coach eating seven years for real, for real, I expect that it's never going back, Okay, making no coach so you said hit maker in that song. Was the first time you said hit maker? Why did it become a thing? On how did it become a thing? Uh? Ship, I don't know what just happened organically. I wish I could really say, like I was like, Yo, I'm I'm gonna be a

hit maker, or that's what I just said. It came out here to l A. Was up at the Softel working on Tamar Braxton Love and were an albums. So like the song that they wanted. When I get to the studio, I owed the studio some money in Miami, so they wouldn't relinquish the file for me to cut it. So like I had to come up with the audible you know what I'm saying on the spot because the first class though, and you wanna pay that motherfucker's studio feel I didn't buy that. I'd have been coaching. I

was buying myself. So we do that. We get out there and Tamar you know now, you know what I'm saying. Me and Tamar a super cool. We in a good space or whatever. But she was in she was in her bag. This when Tamar and Vince had that TV show like they were resting pieces of shann He was you know what I'm saying. He was go to guys, he was in there, you know what I'm saying. So from there, I'm like, and I ain't got that song, but I got another song that I think Crazy played

it for. It's called the One or whatever ended up being her single on that project, and she loved it, and um, they went and then did it. They took my tag off the song. I'm like, damn, Like you know what I'm saying. So I created a new tag the way I just scream on the song in the background and made a partnership so it still stayed on the song. And um, that was like I was like, fucking, I'm moving back to l A. Like you know what

I'm saying. Vincent Herbert was supposed to sign me, get me a deal and do all types of stuff and never panned out. I mean, show loved events. I've just seen Vince as Circle House recently, and I went back to l A. And I was kind of like the start of like, all right, bet I'm gonna take this l A ship seriously again. You know what I'm saying. I'm hit maker. Now I'm gonna do this, I did

my first publishing deal. I did my publishing deal who I'm still in a publishing deal with with Mike Caring at APG and boy and Mike luked up on this ship. Mike might be one of the best businessman Again. I think Mike signed me for thirteen thousand dollars. So some ship like that, MAGA back then this later, I'm still signing like Caring on publishing but be good and I got a joint bench now and we got and obviously

right right. So so here's the other part, because we always talk about this, right, we want we did this show so it would Yes, we want to have a good time, we want to crack jokes, We're gonna do what we do, but we also want this ship to be informative, right, And I think what happens in this business is people always look at things as somebody fucked me over, and I know he does, and I do. I look at things as someone gave you an opportunity.

Now if you don't want that, unless they put a gun in your head and made you sign something, right, if you signed it on your own, you know what I'm saying, and ecstasy like you guys, But you know what I'm saying. But you can't sign deals on extacy. You can ship because everything is good on ecstasy. So you yeah, like you said, you look for a later. You signed that, you signed that deal. If we can find my man a lot of that would be amazing. Guy,

somebody you know what I mean, right? But yeah, no, so you know you're signing that deal lead to these other opportunities in life that you may have not got. You may have not gotten if you don't sign this thirteen thousand dollar days. But that's the business man and you being a manager and being rich night right now. Concept Like until you make it out and get some money, they fucked you. That's all you think in the whole time.

And if you never make it out, they always exactly the eInsight when you make it out your deal or whatever you like. Man, well damn if he didn't give me that opportunity, I might not have access to do the studio and do the things that I did, and from there I never forget. Um them's getting to a good spot or whatever, because I love your story about the love and hip hop people that I did the show with on season one. Um about the monis and

the dog food or whatever. So long story short, Hazel E the girl Hazel, which we all knew, you know what I'm saying from just being around. Yeah, of course she was. Yeah I believe it. Yeah, shout out the Echo and all them. I remember they was moving heavily and doing that. So Hazel, we just approached me like, man, I'm doing love and hip hop. This ship. We're gonna do a love and hip hop holly Wood. We're gonna put everybody on it, all the people that blah blah.

So I was like, shut, I'm down. Sure. I had nothing to lose, you know what I'm saying. Like I was working with Puff at that back deal with Mike Karen. I'm at apg on Kawanga every day, you know what I'm saying, working making my rounds, doing all this other stuff. So I was just like, fuck it, let's do it. From there, it came reality and then ship. At the time, Um, I don't know what was going on. So the lives.

I gotta clear this up because I never really said all this ship so we do love and hip hop. I wasn't fucking Haze a Wee or dating Haze a we or nothing like that. Whatever. She was just Haze. We like everybody know Hazel from being Hollywood. She was nigga, Like we was really get to that. So from there we get to the show and now they got like the cast meeting or whatever, so not a cast meet, and I'm like, holy ship, these are all people I know.

The end, I was like, oh, ship, my ex girlfriends here, so I don't know, dispect they're probably gonna go bier with us. And I mean it's and off air, I'm not gonna say nothing focused So joy Um, who's bow baby mama whatever future. She was like one of my ex girlfriends from back in the day or whatever. So she was on the show like that casting for the show or whatever. So I'm like, oh, it's lit. So

me and her end up rekindling. Well after we see each other at the meeting, then we now we were dating, were back into the vibe, were back into the mix or whatever. So when we first started shooting the show, it was me Enjoy. Enjoy was my girlfriend. But as you know with reality TV, because my choice on the show,

on the show, filming and the whole thing. And I remember your name used to be thrown around the heaviest because they were like, yo, Tankan Zina is gonna do the show and this is that in the third this season one, like what they quick what they called us first, they called us to build the cast. So we were

the first. We were the first couple called to do loving him and we so so we put the playlist together, the original playlists, and and me and him got to talking, and I got to talking with Atlantic and they were like, we get it, but you don't need this right, this is a different kind of energy that and I was like no, and so like it didn't happen right, And so for me, I you know, I was still doing still doing tank you know at the time for my wife, we were trying to build a platform for her, so

it's gonna be perfect for her. So in me pulling out, you know, they pulled the plug on her, but they took everything else that we had already built. But that's

what that's what TV. And for that ultimately, I've never had the conversation either about that because you know, we we don't usually go I'm glad you got him because because in that situation, I just called it from me, I saw the future for him, right because this at this point in that year, we're rebuilding, right, And what I understand from what we were trying to build right where everybody's everybody's path is different. But from what we

were trying to build, it didn't align. It just didn't align to what we know where we were going right. And you know, and this is a part of having a trusting client, is the fact that a bag is in front of him, extra fame is in front of me, extra everything right, These is all positive things. And then you have me saying, Na Champ and I guarantee, I know I'm gonna carry myself on this ship. Listen, I know I know how to carry myself right. We may know how to care, but we know how this show goes.

And I've been in l A four. I don't know how many years they sent you. Man, they started digging and pulling up skeletons out of that l A dirt. You never know where that's gonna go. So and Ray put me on right. Once I've seen Ray was involved in Ray he started calling me or whatever he like it. It's gonna be ten seasons. We're gonna milte the ship. We back, We're gonna Sexy Cannot Part two him. I'm like, man, you know you started thinking like like, so we do

the show. Me and joy I like boyfriend and girlfriend on the show, and like they wanted me to do like some some ship that I wasn't really comfortable with, Like they wanted us to be kissing and then that. But this is my first time being in front of the TV show camera, so I don't know what was going on or whatever. It's like, in hindsight, I should have been telling kiss with the people that they put in front of me. Post that, you know what I'm saying. So I was being stiff on camera. She was being

stiff on camera too. We both were very reserved about things. And I go to Miami to work with Puff on this money making Mitch album. So I get down there, I'm working with him. We vibing all this other ship they sat the way it set up, all the girls on the show really didn't fill each other or whatever, like this off the strength they create the beasts or whatever. So joy I was dating one girl and then Massica was like from Chicago. She was like a best friend

of me. She's like my drinking partner. We hang out, we kicking. We never had no sexual relationship. We never crossed the line or nothing. You know, how you might got a girl that's just like my nigga like you, you know, how to have fun and pretty girls like being with you, were being around you. So this is a good look for me. Ever, so I went to Messica's birthday and then I went to puffs Uh to do to Miami to Puffs House to do the stuff, and me and Joy fell out in the midst of that,

so we never spoke again. The relationship is over. I get back. They picked me up from the airport, you know, because they don't they didn't. They don't allow you dry your own transportation. They don't how you get your own uber. They come pick you up in a fucking mini man with a bottle of the Rocket or whatever and just start feeding you liquor. So they and they tell me my dress code. They're like, yo, berg come in shorts,

T shirt. So I'm thinking, I'm gonna go play basketball with like Soldier Boy and Little Fears and Mariana some ship. They pull up the Hazel House, so I'm like, what the fun we're doing here. They're like, yeah, they bring you to the scene. So now I'm just like oh shift, I ain't know what's going on, and I love haze and no dispect the haze of our lives more this

eight years ago. So um from we get in there and then um they basically like, look, we're setting it up like you had a long night out with Hazel. You guys spent the night together. This Then the time, I'm like, what, so, I ain't even I ain't even talked to Joy yet. I don't even I ain't even spoke to Joy. I just had a girlfriend four days ago. I ain't I broke up with my girlfriend. I don't

know nothing. So now I'm like a O fam, y'all gonna try and have me looking crazy like that, like I'm dating a girl on the show and y'all drump. I don't So, I'm like, fun this show, I ain't doing this scene or whatever. So we're sitting outside ship and fucking Mona just appears out of nowhere like Cruella de Ville, like bag you make Stevie jib oh, I'm talking about that Haitian. So she like my Stevie ja loving hip hop, Hollywood. This show is going to be

based around your interactions. This is good. I'm like, no, funk that y'all trying to have me look like I'm two times and my girl on the show, Like I don't even spoke to her. They like, look, she like look, then we fired Joy, she's not on the show no more. I'm like, what, Like, yes, she's fired, she's no longer on the show. And I can't call shortly because we ain't. So I'm like, you want me to go in there and be myself, like just beat me? And they're like, yeah,

just going there and do it. How are you feel? Just do it? So I go in there and they got her capped up. You know what I'm saying. She's in a robe and lingerie neglige or whatever, and like, granted, I'm gonna be clear on this because I know it's gonna go viral, and you know, she might have something to say everybody about this. Whatever I had slept with

Hazel Pride previously or whatever, it wasn't my girlfriend. I already we had already slept together, but it wasn't like we were actively dating or whatever in our past from her being a publicist and whatever, back when I used to live at the Archstone or some ship like that or whatever like that what it was. So we're getting the vibe and she's like putting it on like heavy,

like last night was amazing, blah blah blah blah. And I'm just looking like an asshole because I'm like, you ain't my bitch, hell no, like we ain't did this when uh? And then Ship I kind of dogged on her, you know what I'm saying, like, and I left the scene it like this is amazing, this is great. Yeah, And I'm like, what this girl crying inside throwing Ship

inside her career right now? Like now, granted speaking now that I know in hindsight, she might have been putting on for the camera to you know what everybody looking at and out because if you don't, you get off the show. And this is what I didn't know. This is what I found out later. If you're not in the episode, no, so you can shoot three hundred scenes. If you won't, if your content not good and you

don't make that screen, you're gonna get paid. So as much as you went to Zara and watch your little boys whatever, like shut up, he made me out, he did, You're gonna get your money back from Zara. Bro. I was ar down. I was in zarahead to tour. I was first man, I was right not I want to always pay for my first glass fight. But he won't catch me and coach with nose around h bro. They wouldn't give my Tsara money back. So he was important back there to like it's all Richard Mills and Big

Shan take it right. That was important to take only makes that color brand right. Everybody don't make that color brother, Yeah right, yeah, you gotta coordinate. You gotta coordinator. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, you got a mush so you're right. You know that ship. So I'm doing all my tar ship and uh um doing that. We're shooting a show or whatever, and it's not going the way I would like it to go,

you know what I'm saying. But now, once you're in the show and you're in the matrix of the show, then you really become that, you know what I'm saying. That's why I feel like I said my condolence. It's not not not feel bad, but like I feel how every person has ever been on that franchise, whatever feels if they don't make it out of the franchise. You know what I'm saying, Because it's like your life is encompassed with that ship now, so whatever we do that

I do love and hip hop. Then like Mona like approaches me and it was like, big, would you be down to kiss Mexico on TV? I'm like, yeah, y'all got me with this whole other story or whatever with somebody this two story later bad looking and ship I kissed on TV and sh it evolved into something else, you know what I'm saying. And now me and her

was the thing on the TV show. So a long story shows a bunch of bullshit on TV show and uh it ended, and then they tried to like murder me, like Mona and them and try to paint me in such a bad way. It was just like damn. And like I was like, damn, I'm doing a TV show because I'm working with puff or whatever. And it missed me doing the TV show. Like how you said good

investments and niggas gave you an opportunity. I was in APG and I did a hook with to a fucking popping oak beat and I name the song Nicky and hit making. I'm like, man, Nicki Minaj is gonna work with me. I'm about to work with Nicki Minaj. Watch this ship, bro, and then I go see sounds at Glenwood Studio randomly. He was working with Esther Dean and her her artist back in the day. And then my brother Doc was like, man, I've just seen Nicki Minah and see in the same studio. I did a song

like a day before. I'm like, what, go tell her. I'm in hill tell him in hell. They brought me in the studio to meet Nicki Minas. I pressed play on a whole bunch of ships and like literally she took me under her wing like this, like and never let me seeing it from the outside, looking like what the is young bird? Like I'm talking about. She had me like this and was just like, my studio is your studio. If I'm not here to take over, do what it is. So you know, I'm flossing it out

to the max. I'm like, shout out to people who give opportunities because everybody don't because niggas wasn't. But what's the crazy I never said this story to um bro. Well after I played my songs for Nicki or whatever, and she was feeling me and like she was like, yeoh was hard. She was like this before, like she was She was like, I ain't gonna lie. I've been working with you since this and double clicked on her laptop and took the als nick and it was giveing

a business. I was like, oh shit, but it sucked me up because I was famous before Nicki Minaj, so it like at that point, like you don't even think about that, you know what I'm saying. It didn't even hit me altogether, Like Damn. I was really young berg and had that song before Nicki blew up, so that ship was like crazy and I'm like, Damn doing love and hip I can say Nicki Minaj like, so they was. Nikki was like, oh yeah, you would dropping my name

like we were doing great work. I probably did like five records on the album or something like that, but I was there through the whole process to the pink print and ship. From there, I leave the show and it's dark again. I'm like damn, Like n, I got my ship going over. Damn. So I got this big gass house and chat's worth like and I kind of like psyched myself out like I had a little money, you know what I'm saying. I ain't had no big

money like I was. I had like a hunt of grand you know what I'm saying, maybe one fifty, but motherfucking I was had my dad help me get this crib, and I'm like, ye're gonna use this crib. It's motivation because I gotta pay these motherfucking bills, so I gotta work my ass off. I gotta get these placements. And I used it in motivation. And at that time were in my crib. Man, I had a bunch of bullshit funiture.

I was living like a nigger, just girls everywhere. Seven thousand squaret for the house, just the bedrooms furnished for the most part in t bees and couch a couch, but it wasn't fully decked down like how I was supposed to be. And I've created a makeshift studio in my basement and I had my engineer being um with me, and um he's now I don't know who the engineering now, but that was my guy. And Jeremiah came to my crib and he was like bro Let's work. So we

started working. We and our vibe. But what that we do like eight songs. And I had a girl with me and he had some company with him too. So now I's winding down They're like two thirty, I don't like ship. Let's wrap this ship up, you know what I'm saying, Ready to take it upstairs. He's like, no, I got one more in me. I'm like, man, come home, bro, Man, I ain't trying to do it like bro, trust me, I got one more. You win the booth. I put the beat up and win the booth and said last.

I took a l but's in that. I bounced back a morning then and then I count. I was like, okay, that's hard. I went. I took the ship to Big Sean and it became Big Sean bounced back and Big Sean was like, man, you know I love this record like shout to Metro Booming Um. He co produced on the record Shout to Smash David. So he's like, I love his record. You know, I don't know what it's gonna be, but man, maybe we should just throw it out there and just see its people. I don't give

a funk. That's it. He liked, Hey, bro, do you have a tag or anything you want to put on the song? I'm after all these people being taking it of taking it off. Asked you about at this house? He like, you got a tag bro like yeah, I went and said, my tag think of that ship. You put that ship out of ship took off like a rocket. Nigga like seven times platinum now Nigger. His biggest performance songs stepped by himself as a solo artist. One Hunter that she like number two. She had the super Bowl

commercials that she had everything. Hell yeah, ship and that ship and that was the start of it, and I'm like, oh, we're rolling. Then from there, Jay Grhant, who works for r C a super influential. He was like one of the n rs that was really like an A and R real nigger to us, Like boy, he would run out Paramount for us and fucking buys all the cats suit you we wanted with the label credit card nigger

and use that mother all the liquor. And then that's how Chris Brown Party happens, and then all this other stuff and now I'm running them up and get a couple of placements. And Ryan Press has always been like a mentor to me, and I'm like, man, I ain't

gonna lie. I went on Breakfast Club at the Big Shan Bounce Back and Chris Brown Party, and I had a bunch of placement probably had like fifty placements now, So I'm popping my ship on Breakfast Club and I'm like, man, but y'all really don't realize I'm really about to be one of the biggest executives in this game. Nigga, nigga, motherfucking these labels offering me jobs right now to be and like a motherfucker like that, right now, they're about to be one of the biggest and rs in this game.

Watch this ship live from there. Ryan was like, I've had a conversation Ronny, like you want to meet Craig and Julie Like yeah, yeah, after I've seen you at the b and I wars damn there around that time, they took me to meet Craig and Julie and I went in there and told the speech and which I still stand on to this day. There's nobody is going

to be influential. I'm really cut from that cloth, from cut from that IRV Gotti, I'm cut from that motherfucking jay Z. I'm cut from that all the big producer that works with the artist cloth. You can't tell me nothing, but I lived it. He mexicate me a dog. You remember seeing me in your office Julie. Right, Remember I saw and then they made me the vice president and our Atlantic records, and then that's when they started getting

getting really interested. That's when they started cracking out that. I don't that For me, that wasn't the most impressive part, right, because I know you can, I know you can make actually give me talking about it. But you deserved it. You want to get that. My question is like guys locked into a zone and going to run and find a thing that they are able to milk for a very long time, and you found a niche in grabbing old records and reproducing them and making them brand new

smash records. You know what I'm saying. It's a very important component to that. This guy worked directly with the guy who did it before. Yeah, I love that. What so what made you say this is gonna be my formula and nobody's gonna beat me? You know what? It was a moment for me. I ain't never gonna forget this ship. Um, it fucked me up because Nellie had hot in here, right and it was going crazy. I'm like, damn, this ship crazy like for real, crazy like. And I've

been a student of the game. I know all the producers I know, puff you know what I'm saying, Like, damn nigs think it's really taking this sample and bringing it back and doing all this other ship or whatever and blah blah. Once I found out that Nellie Hotting here was Chuck Berry, Chuck me yeah, shout out to the DMV, bro, Bro, I was like, oh no, hell no, I'm bringing back because the first time you hear you

think it's original. You could you could put ten people in this room right now and say play Nelly hot in here and say what is that song sample from? And I guarantee they won't unless they from there. So then I was like, oh ship. I started looking at like for real, whole little catalog and I'm like, damn, he's just making original beats and just some of the beats on original either too, Like he's taking this ship

like homeboy I came to party. That's a flip. Even Nigga with his manager list and then labeled the jam sty Hill Boxing showing your rocks Nigger that's an old rap record. Wow. Yeah I didn't know that, yes, Bro. So I'm like, oh ship, this nigga has been doing it, but he finessed it his way, and I'm like, oh, that's the puff way. And I'm like, oh, I'm gonna do it my way and just do everything that I grew up on one or six and park on whatever and all the records that I love. I'm just gonna

flip on my my own. How did you know it was time? Right? Because because that's a sweet There used to be a thing where like a certain amount of time used to have to elapse on a record for it to be a classic or even a certain amount of success. You're not. You're not flipping all platinum records. You're flipping just whatever got that essence to it that you with with the field to it. That's what I'm humble, humbly.

I want to say this because I didn't know at first, but it was just like, man, like a producer and a top tier producer. I was like, man, it's about the work, it's about all this, which it really is, but they're really paying you for your taste level for the taste of music. Expound on that because as a producer, and this is this is something that gets very very cloudy in this business, the producer. Right, we have beat makers,

we have producers, we have vocal producers. We have finishers, right, we have all these different things that can do it all. I mean he wouldn't. He would pretty much. He would pretty much say that I ain't helped him with like, but you know that is what it is because I love hi nigga, man, And you know what I mean, these kids is my god kids, my kids his godkids.

Like you know, I'm sitting there Washington, nigga say, man, ain't ain't get for me by myself records, right, But I asked you this because you're you're you're fully immersed in it, right, And I know you don't champion yourself as like I make pets. You're not that guy. That's not who you say you are. Um. I remember, man, I was dating a girl years ago and um and I kind of moved into the you know, the beat making side of like buying the NPC into it. And she was like, and I had had a dog about

my first condo. Man, you know what too big? But you know you can hear everything in that motherfucker. And I would have the headphones on and she would wake up in the morning be like, so, how did that like the bink thing thinking go? Last night? The who right, But that's all that's all she can hear. Though. It was like think right and right but whatever right. But I'm asking you that though, how do you as a producer,

how do you explain it to you know? And how do you separate or do you even separately even getting that conversation because a lot of young is like I produced it. I'm gonna have a conversation for real for it because this is a good platform and it's all with creatives here talking about it. So look, everybody produces in their own ways. It's not really many. It's so many ways it could happen. Now I can speak on

my process in my situation. So every flip that y'all here, for the most part is me like yo, yo, Paul, replay this or whatever. Yo, I love this record. Let's really like this, but instead of it, let's flip it. Let's add a pre hook and change and added and changed the key on the pre hook or whatever, and come back to the ship and do the music for blah blah blah. They do the music, send it back to me. I love the music because everything he does

is firing flames. And then from there I'll be like, um, ship who drums work on that ship Cardiac. I think it's got a hip hop fielder's gotta ball. I think it's be Crazy or any other co producers I work with. And then from there they get me to beat. I write the song with the person I want to write the song with. I find the artist to get the song too. I pushed the artists to do the song, get through the song. Then I take the record of Jackson's I want to mix it and that's the end

of it. Now if it's something else, like I've also an amazing mixer is very important. Absolutely, you gotta have that. Shout out to Ruben. You know what I mean. Ruben's somewhere around. Yeah, I mean he's grounding right now. Um, but no, but yeah, like, please please finish. That's my bad. But I wanted to shoot these guys out because they they're not always spoken too. So um, that's one way. Another way is I just have creative energy with people.

They might send me a beat pack or whatever, and then I'll go and I'll write the song and I'll rearrange your beat or whatever and take this and your outro that you had is really the intro and it's really the prehood and and just put together a puzzle like that. So I think that real producing to me is um you finished, you start to finish. You in it from the beginning of the concept to whether it's a beat that sent to you and you're like, all right, bet,

well maybe can we change this around? And you get with Tank and you give it Ja Valentime, you write the hit record and then Tank wants it to be here single and not cool. If not, then we give it to somebody else and I gotta get them to do it. And I mean, should I did it with Tank, which I'm mad Atlantic man, a dirty remix man. That ship was super fire Man Goli But we did it together. We worked on Sammer record together, so we know the vibe. Yeah.

I think it's it's it's a good understanding and going in because I think a lot of people kind of get lost when it's like a kid that does the beat was like, well, I'm the producer on the song, and then you're like, well that's a part of it, you know what I mean? Because so when you send it to finishers, when you listen, when you send the beat, that is nothing, and then it becomes something because of everything else that's done to it, and even placing for

that matter, because you go to extra step further. You're not just making a song. You're like, I know exactly where this song should be. Then you got to sell it. You're you're you're doing You're actually managing now, just like Salent records to artists is very tough, very tough. There's an art to it. Bro The crazy thing is that I fight myself daily about this because that everything we said is true. But it's just a lot of capture this ship and it's a lot of ego ship or whatever.

That's also instial too. If I dressed like Ghazi every day or like Craig calmun every day and they're getting wore the same outfit, no jury, no nothing or whatever, and I wasn't out here in me, then they wouldn't cut, wouldn't You wouldn't hear no flak. It would be the most thing because people want the look of it, you know what I'm saying now. Being a producer is a thing,

like so the look of it. But like I've run into situations where it's like they would be like people would be jealous of your own success and the blessing that God got on you, and overlook the fact the door that you open up for them so you came out that change you. You know what I'm saying, because it's like I've been through that so many times that not even on a producer or co producer level, just anybody, man, you know what I'm saying. They could be a manage man.

It could be you know what I'm saying. People you're doing like niggas will be. And everybody was so fucked up about being in position which they don't tell you before you in position that everybody is going to tell you or what they have an opinion to skew thought of. And if it was me, I would have did this and well nigga waiting until it's yeah, especially if a nigga feeding you wouldn't get you out like nigga. Like

let's say, not even me. If I was a guy that was a co producer or somebody that just made be some program beats all day like in the house with my girl seven and it's somebody that's just like making hit after hit after hit, and I wouldn't It wouldn't be no way you could talk bad about anything about that man like hell no, and I'm big on I'm not like how it was back in the day, Like, bro, I'll let you know, I ain't do that beat he programmed that beat. I did this that after everybody gets

their same credit, you know what I'm saying. Like, so it don't really like it, don't really bind it. But it's like you don't come across the issues and started like that to winning, like I ain't gonna lie like before I came into your podcast, like I got a plaque like this big it just came to my career. But I'm over a huntre million records old right That cs to going from my fucking uh concentration camp man for real for nine months to have an over a

huney million records. So no cap still a little sitting at my penthouse right now, I gotta take it. You heard the penhouse. You heard it. You heard not the club, not the club, but the house. Yeah, what's what's the goal right now? Right now? For me? Like it seemed like the when I first started on this hit maker journey, he was like, man, I want to prove so many of us wrong. He's thinking, ship it on me. Yeah

that you know what's funny. I don't even you know, because we've had so many different moments that we've run across each other and then ship. We've been in it for many moons. There was a moment in Las Vegas at the at the Palms Hotel studios. We were all there, US three and Ty Dollar Sign actually, and we were talking and this was the This was like the first time that I had that. Me and you had kind of sat down and I was really like, I was like, man,

I really liked this dude. Man. He's a really really good dude. And I remember having a conversation with Tank after I said, I hope that his revenge don't get the best of it. I literally said that to him. I was like that nigga is so because you get all the extra ship we run into each other and you see a nigga and you and you're like, oh, I think he kind of liked this, so I think, whatever this this may be. But that that session where we were sitting in there, I'm like, I really like

this dude man, and he's super super talented. But in conversation, you were vengeful. You were vengeful, and I would and I remember I remember talent Tank. I'm like, Bro, I hope that I hope the revenge don't get the best stuff it, man, because that dude really is talented. Bro, I had a chip because you gotta think of all the ship that I went through in the past or whatever it was. It wasn't because of meals because I

was putting myself around bad people, you know what I'm saying. Like, so I took a lot of ls, not on the strength of me personally being a person that was supposed to have that ill. But I'm the I'm the famous guy, so you you hold that L. So at that point, man, I was just like like in my mind, I was thinking, like, man, these things they're gonna see. I'm the step on either. But now my whole vibe, Bro, this ship is a testimony, bro,

Like I don't even want to do nothing. It's not about holding my own dick and being like I'm the nigga and I'm hit maker bolled. I ain't on none of that ship. I'm still young berg nigga. I'll still meet people every day, get them opportunity nigga. If you it don't matter, I don't care if you black, blue, brown, nigga, if you talented and you could flex up and you could work with me the studio. Every day I'm touching

somebody else. I'm giving people opportunities. All my co writers that I worked with, I'm putting them on my single on my album. It's not about me no more. I'm good. It's about the inspiring the next person. Maybe I could put the ball in somebody else hand that when I decided to stop dribbling, that motherfucker that could pull me up circle or success type ship, you know what I'm saying, And on a big scale, anybody that's living that seeing my journey man and know that this ship is so

possible as long as you work hard and keep diving. First, bro, yes, bro, Like it's niggas that dissed me and songs that that that pay me top dollar for songs now, but not even like the dis because like whatever happened, it was a relevant punchline in But the way you're gonna stop and not get your money and go work and do all this other ship because the nigga felt somebody way, you have to strip all that ship down like man and just be like who's next? Like look at this,

look at what God bless me with. That's not even focused on. Yeah, let's not focus on no bullshit or whatever. Man, Let's be a light. Let somebody be inspired by you, let somebody feel man. I can take it there. Yeah, because it's possible. And and and I say that to the circle all the way back. Like the course. Right, we all have a story, we all have a gang of els, but it was all par for the course. And we can do one or two things, right. We can repeat the cycle, or we can decide to do

better and start a different cycle. And that's what me and this guy is committed to and loving hearing you say that you've committed to that same thing, because that's what's gonna make the difference in our culture, not continuing to repeat the cycle where we continue to hold each other down and always want to stand on top of each other. Man. I can stand, man, I can stand right next to my brother man and and support his shine dance dance when he succeeds, you know what I'm saying,

shout him out, like, man, go get it. Man, listen, if we all came, if we're not fighting to pay for dinner, it's a problem. It's a problem. For sure. That's how it's gotta be. As they would say, players don't keep scoring. Man, I'm I'm and that's the best, the best thing you said all day. I swear it's real. I'm living in Bro. That's real. And it's a different level of maturity, right, it's a different level of maturity to say yeah, like okay, and then you got that off.

You know what, it's bigger than that. Hell yeah, because it's like even like now, like I just see the plan and the plot being so bigger like bang, like you gotta think, Bro. I was went from I'm not gonna say lying but but speaking, you know, I was technically lying but speaking about being executive on the Breakfast Club and like seeing my life prior to that, like I always looked at the Barry Gordy's and the l

A Reads and all these different people whatever. But now it's like who better to be inside of building than me? Like what are you talking about? I've been the artists. I've been through any the worst thing that artists can go through, Like I went through being canceled before being canceled, Like I went through everything possible and I'm still one of the biggest in the game, relevant, making music, turning

out this ship. Like I had two twenty seven placements last year that was the six years six of my run, Like two seven place pretty much place in the record almost every day damn near Like but no, we all we do is go to s we an't got no kids, I don't got no other I don't got a job. This is my job. This is my life. So you believe this is your actual job. Like when you look at it, you wake and me like, yoe, this is

really what I get to do every day. Like I don't think that collectively in this business we ever truly take those times unless somebody reminds us to say, you get to do this every day. This is this is the blessing of all blessings. It is on a big scale like that ship, like it's it's no way to be replaced or whatever. But that kind of that thought

kind of inspired me something. So I'm working for Atlantic or whatever, and it's like I'm lost into the sauce and I'm like, man, well you know because uh, the deals I had over the Atlantic, like I really went in like man, my six setting, like my people set me up. They was everything was Gucci but um, I realized that they wasn't trying to make me a boss. They was just wanted the records from me, you know

what I'm saying, Like we're cool. And then I was like, damn, Like I was watching everybody else trajectory and see how people you know what I'm saying, that should go like this or whatever like and I was like, damn, well, this producer or this songwriter kind of took a dip because he only focused on himself. He didn't work with everybody. That's why I was like, I'm not singling myself out. I'm not only working with three niggas. I don't care if I the email or a text or somebody hit

me on Instagram. They got some five ship nigga. This is what we donn We're gonna work with everybody in the game. And you know atlantic I would. I was able to be on both sides of the fence because like, I'm still an artist, I'm still a creative, but I'm in these executive meetings and I'm seeing things and we

kind of part. We came to a to a part of the ways which we did a damage like several Number one records, hell of millions of records together and l A Read I met A speaking of l A Read Happy birthday, l A Read I met, I met him, and I always looked up to him. Tricky Stewart introduced me to him formally or whatever, and he was just like so like with me. He was just like, man, you got nigga like this is this is what it is.

And he's like, man, bro, I don't even really got it like this or whatever, like, but I want to give you a label deal, and I believe in you and I want to make sure you get the money. And I'm working for Atlantic at this time or whatever, and they ain't offered me no label deal. I putting putting up hit. So I'd already did number ones for niggers and all types of they ain't come to me

and say no here or a label deal. We think So l A offered to me, and I loved l A and I'm like, man, this this nig is amazing, man, like I want to be around this guy. So I go back to Craig and I'm like, um, hey, bro, l A offer me would deal. It's like a million dollars or something like two million dollars on signing, let me go get my money. Like we all no, no about no way. We we love you, your family, we love you. And I'm like okay. So they're like, let's

let's let's show you how much we love you. So they came back. They gave me a deal. And the deal, you know, it stopped me from doing business with l A. You know what I'm saying. And because I was already locked in the Atlantic and the deal was cool, you know what I'm saying. I took the deal was an interesting time or whatever. It was a good, good deal, you know, but it wasn't what I was worth. Well, this this is what happened. They gave me the deal.

So now I'm in an A and R meeting, right and they like, um, here comes such and such ship. You know what I'm saying. Everybody wants to sign this kid. He has a bidding war all over Columbia is really heavy on him. A Republic or anybody or whatever they got, they got their offering. Now blah blah. He wants he wants nine million dollars. He's got one song, he doesn't have a mixtape. But it's the biggest virul ship in the world. So you come in, he don't perform, he

don't do nothing, don't wow me. And the Niggers was really sitting there time about giving him nine million dollars and then you realize what you'll deal with. Yeah, I don't excuse me, like wait, wait what? And I didn't sold millions of records out and been here for four years like we what this is like the end of

my concerts, like three and a half. I did come on man, like I did the ones, the big records, like y'all went and told me, we're gonna show you how much we we believe in you and how much we care about you because you're a family, because you've been with us. So from now I never forget this ship Um. I left the office that day and I went back to the hotel and then ship uh. The next day that the A and R meeting kept going, I ain't show up, so like they all calling me,

they are like some of mee to office. I go down. You know, I was super close with Lora and I still love all these people to the day. Because there's nothing bad about this story. I'm still very successful. It is what it is. So they like, what's the issue. I'm like, I don't feel like y'all believe in me, like how you're supposed to whatever. We're breaking down different stuff and they were like, well, what do you want?

I was like, if you really believe in me, y'all paying twelve thousand dollars a month for me to be in a studio without paying my my my engineer. I want my own studio. Do what l A Read did for Tricky Stewart and back when they he was on fire, or do what y'all did for DJ Drama or whatever you want to outline it as believe in me, because I know when Tricky put me on game he said, well Ship, when l A Laugh or whatever, I kept

my studio. It's my studio, Okay, take it. So I'm like believing me in that type of investing me in that type of manner. And it was like, how much you think that should have gonna cause? Line when people was like four or five more millions. You know what I'm saying, Allowed to do it in l A to do it the right way, the way he would want to do it for three million, four million and ship. They were like, all right, bad, We're gonna get back to you and see how this work or whatever for you,

and we're gonna make it happen. We believe in you're our guy. And they never made it happen. So from there, I was like, damn l A read even after I dubbed the deal and I couldn't take the million dollars from l A. This man somehow turned my million dollars into a song deal and still gave me the million that I wanted to do business. Yeah, Like, you can't come be a partnership here. I'm still gonna give you the same amount of money I was gonna get you

to do that for this. I'm like, that's a real relationship, you know what I'm saying, Like, Damn this, this, this, this ain't what I think it is. So from there, they never holler back. And my partner Chris Sean, who was amazing, why I do all my records what or whatever. We had a group, but we still have a group, and um, he was like, man, can you see if you could go meet Ghazi or whatever and get us a deal with Empire. I'm like yeah, So I reached

out to Ghazi. We go up there and Ghazi was like telling me a bunch of different stories in his past and I didn't know that he worked with Atlantic. That's tough too, you know what I'm saying. That he started all the records and this on the third and I'm was like, oh really. So then once he got that transparent with me, I got to be even more transparent with him about my situation or whatever what was

going on. And I was just like yo, like because they put my back against the wall, like you only understand, like they had put basically put a bounty on my head, like oh, you ain't happy, pay this number and you can leave or or not. And the relationship was already so muddy, you know what I'm saying. After I'm like, damn. So I told guys what the number was. I'm like, bro, like ship they want, I'm They're saying, I gotta buy myself out with this or give them the money back myself.

And I was gonna give them the money back, my dumb ass. But one of my mentors, my O G is trying to do on me, said Nigga, you're want to music and you don't get no motherfucking money none of it. So I said, all right, and guys, he was just like, Bro, I believe in you. I thought you was coming up here that asked me to do a producer album or something like that. I thought we was gonna do small business. But I believe in you. Here's the compound in San Francisco. That's what I want

to do. I'm gonna get you a penthouse here in San Francisco or whatever. You just come work with us or whatever, and please, bro, like if you would allow us to work together, I think this would be great for us or whatever. He went and paid Atlantic thing money back and that's how I left Atlantic Records. Wow, I didn't know that name, so that that ship heavy on me. So now it's like now the game like, oh you ain't got your studio no more. They was

empowering the studio. They Nigga is trying to like put chinks in my armor like Empire. They're not knowing the Empire. Damn. They were the biggest company in the game. You know what I'm saying. Like, but it's indie. It's not what I used to be. Whatever. That's like most people don't understand market ship, bro. So my back was against the wall, like I would be seeing it thig to be screenshot

and ship like close friendship. It would be producers I worked with and songwriters I worked with, like I think a Burger fucked up. He funked up. He's gonna fall off. After this, we had so much massive success, and then from them I got in with guys I ain't never gonna lie man. I met Young Blue in the airport. Young Blue was like, man, like, let's work together. And you know how you're being an airport. I ain't really figured out. I ain't know, I ain't taking serious or whatever.

So we end up meeting again. We went up there and we was in San Francisco and we was just working. He's like, no, I need a hit. And you know, my first mind, I collaborated with Chris so much. I'm like, nigga, you want a song with Chris Brown is out of here. It's out of here, and we're going number one. So we're in there. We cut the hook up me him, Blue,

Ivory Christian, we did it all together. Then from there I end up getting Brown on the record, and that was my first one out the gate with with him Brown and two Chains or whatever, and it's platting the record, it's being the fucking ship. It was one of them recurring motherfucker's That Ship was tops here for forty seven weeks out of the year. Last Yea was my first one off the hip there. We came with the Peru record after that, and I did think project and I

think Ship. She got the most added last week at Urban radio with our record partner to stay Yea. Yeah, shout out to my little brother Yong Blue. We're back. Yeah. Now, that's that's That's an amazing story, man, an amazing path that you've taken. And the one consistent thing is you never stopped making the music, right because this is the only industry that any day of the week, any time of the year, you can wake up and hit the lottery.

But you just have to continue to do it. And that and what I found in my years in the music business is the guys who don't really ever reach their potential or the guys who stopped. Yeah, you will have your time, You will have your time, you will have your season. Even even some of the guys that we may not consider to be the most talented, they found their way because they just stayed in it. They stayed at it. And it's just like yo, you know

that record such and such as What's her name. Hell no, how many times I do that a week probably like that's who record. Oh man, that's amazing, bro, And we salute it, right, But when guys give up on it, that's when it's over. Other than that, it's never over. Like this is an ageless business. This business is based on Peter Pan you know what I'm saying, Like, you've

never got to grow up in this motherfucker. Like you can make your life whatever you wanted to be in this music if you stay true to it and you you just stay at it. And for that, bro, I I just want to salute you for that because you you faced enough right for the average motherfucker to be like, man, I'm done with this ship like this is this is and to further go into it to know that Nick, you actually come from money. You didn't have to do this ship. You can hit anything and your bos couldn't.

Just did really stay business. It's not as cool as this, Like let's let's be let's let's keep it. You know, this is this is the cool. But the coolest part about that ship is that I'm just getting the journey is just beginning, right, you know. It's like you know what happens though when you when you hit now now nothing's off limits, like your access now is unlimited. It's like, oh, I see it's so much clearer now and I can do so much more now with the access that I had.

And if they won't do this, I'll do it myself. Yeah, that's when you hit a stride. Yeah, I don't know how you're gonna play this next second. You know, you know what he does if you see, if you're seeing what will be on man Like we got this special segment of the show Man. It's called I Ain't saying no names. You can't say names Burg I've seen can't do it. Yeah, So the story can be funny or fucked up, are both, but you can't say the actual

names of the people. You can say shit around it that mother trying to figure some out, but you can't say their names young Berg, kid make up. You can't say it was me and somehow you can't you know what I mean? I mean, I know you got what was Jamie? What was was? What was the last guys? Anybody that you don't think? How did what was? The boxing started off? Whar this hotel room? Cocaine famous action. I'm not doing cocaine. Doing cocaine, I'm not be is

my religious belief. That's how it starts. We need we need something good man, and we know, you know, we need a legendary hint maker story man without the names. Not the names. I'm trying to think, man, come on and tap into your ecstasy and ship man. What y'all calling a beat? Beat? And they got it? Yeah, I never got to the nicknames. I never Just give me the ex. Just give me the ex. Which color you want, bro,

Just don't confuse me, just give me all right, okay okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. Um. I was at a famous person's house and I was I was working with a with a bunch of other famous people before they were famous. You know what I'm saying, Like everybody's going to come up or whatever we in Hollywood blah blah blah. And the famous person who house it was I wanted to have a meeting with me. So we like I go to the living room or whatever.

But it's another famous person with him. That's a lady, that's um that's giving him a hand job under the covers that like he's sitting on the couch or whatever. But during the meeting, like she's a famous girl, like beautiful? Is she looking at you? Like? Yeah? Meanwhile, she wasn't his girlfriend. The famous girlfriend is also in the house while this is happening to just floating around in the meeting. Yeah, I mean, so he's talking to you though, Like how

we're talking right now? Boy? Are you getting a hand job? Enough contact with me? You are not allowed. You are not allowed to look at me while you were getting a hand job. But did she look at you know, they was in their own thing. I think they were on some enhancements. You know, you can't look at me because somehow I'm gonna feel like I'm part of the inspiration. I don't want it. Yeah, that was wild. Did you get a deal out of that? Oh? He didn't get

that happened? It was whatever. That is the entertainment industry. Listen, ladies and gentlemen. Ladies and gentlemen, I have take I'm game, Valentine And this has been hit maker on the Ry Money podcast, emphasis on make up my way for the couple. I wouldn't being money money