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there was an American boy of all. But it's just American thing, you know that. See what I'm saying. We have a love one in the building, a superstar in the building. She does it all man makes an Yeah, thank you. How you doing? I'm doing awesome? Girls, It's great. Just going to the access beginning. Just talk you know the way I normally talk right now, you know, try to make you know, accommodate. Sure he feels what is happening.

This guy, you know, he's from the hood, so I have to make what I have to make sure he's you know, accommodated. But now it's about it's not terrible, but it's just like a boy. Oh my gosh, and it's a new They keep me here and how you doing? I'm here amongst the madness and King George? What are you both good? Great? We are good. We are happy to have you. I love I mean, you know you're dope. Thank you. I think you're I think you know, talent wise and all of the cool things, like all that

is cool. But you know, your energy has been a thousand percent consistent and on just a godly angelic level since the first day I met you. And that's that's really cool and rare. Yeah. Now, you genuinely are a sweetheart. Thank you. Yeah, I've always felt that every time I'm in your presence, like this is just a sweet person, and it's tough to remain that way. Yeah, Like you may start off, you know what I'm saying, and then you really get into this ship. Yeah, and you really

start to go through some things. You start really seeing the colors and the skins on these people, and it can turn you, it can turn you different. Well, I have been there, you know, like, and I always say that, well I've said recently you have to go there to know that you want to stay sweet and you want to stay cool, you know, because it's this, this whole world, not just the industry, is designed to make you realize and see and face your shadow side, which is to me,

the mean side. You know, once you get cool with it, I would say, I play nice with my shadows. I'm clear where they are, I know what they look like. I choose not to go there frequently, you know, And and I don't take a lot of stuff personal anymore. Yeah, you know, so that helps me stay Yeah, all right, man, you're just probably having a bad day. I might be

having a bad day. I'll give myself grace. I think the personal part of it is a tough bar because as an artist, everything feels like an attack on you personally. Sometimes it's all an attacks that's just not good? What do you mean? It's not good? And you'd be like, you don't know why I went through? How dare you now? But maybe sometimes it ain't and and it's okay for it not to be. Sometimes it's just a fact, you know, it's okay, it's okay that not everybody feels the way you. Yeah,

that's totally fine. And so then you just start to you start to zero in on the people who do that part. And I believe what you put your energies. Who was multiplies and so like, I worry about the people worry about me in the greatest of ways, and anybody else who doesn't or just just doesn't for the sake of doesn't. Maybe that's I'm not your vibe. Maybe we ain't in the same energy feel Maybe you're there to let me know that there's harmony in the world,

and that's okay. It took me a minute to even get that though, you know, because social media really had a good hold on me. Um, just in terms of these negative conversations. Oh yeah, I wanted to I wanted to talk back. Sometimes you have to do it, though, It's okay, all right, up, like A in the morning said, can you please stop arguing with with girl forty eight nine not a real girl. You're literally you're literally fighting goes.

It takes up to me. It takes like a big amount of personal presence or just being like here right to like even walk yourself off that ledge. Yeah, I hate I used to never be this person to be like nah f concastle like out here. So I'm up and then and it was just like, is it changing the price of my mortgage is it coloring my days? Is it? Is it protecting my mom more? Is it? None of that? None of it. I don't care about

you none, none of it. Like I had to say it out, I don't care about you people, and move along because I have drafts some days these thumbs yeah what yeah? And then then some days when I was like, all right, now, what's your mouth? Like be careful? And sometimes the statement is what's your mouth? That's it? And that's it. Yeah, And I always I always wonder, and I guess it's because I've just been on the other

side of it for so long. At this point with the business side, is you know, I'm gonna step away from being a creative. You guys are here, but you're a creative too, Yes, but I'm going to step out. I'm gonna step out and step out of the circle and ask a question, would it just take too much time to reply to all the love? Because y'all find the hate hate hate finds out. I'm literally just I'm generally just asking that question because there will be so

much love blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Oh my god, the one thing, but you hate it, see it? Like I'm going to cut your ass out. No, see it as a party, right, See it as it's almost a celebration you're hosting. It's your party. You're in the party and you're dancing, see everybody, everybody stinks up a good time and you point the finger in you may and then that's that one person comes up and completely stops the record, grabs the DJ's mind said, this is

a bunch of bullshit. It should ain't even hot like that. Now. I was like, so, in the in the midst of enjoying all the love, that negative comment or whatever completely interrupts the party. Okay, and pay attention to it more because of that, because we're having such a good time in these comments, such a great time. But then there's also the perspective of like you give them the power to stop the party? Is that Is that that big of a deal what they said, right? Not that not

that some of the things ain't real. And before you reply to it, to me, it's kind of like the way you read it, I was like, I've had to actively do this, like give it empathy, right that person I go down there pay for response sometimes and I'm like, you're just having a bad week, or you just feel like this is your emo. I don't. I'm not allowing you to be that big of a deal in my day this week. So no, I'm not even responding to it. I won't let you stop the record. You should refer

to your third post before you continue. You want me to repost that for you. I really, I really be laughing better, you know, don't even but like I'll see something that somebody says about I'll be laughing at it, laugh well, and it's and it also like it also like I had to think about, like before it even got to this point, and things that I would hear about people that I knew it. I was like, that's not true. Yeah, it's not the stuff they're doing, right,

I'm just hanging out. Everybody's going an opinion and everybody I tried to give us money empathy because guess what, ever be a day when I get it completely wrong and I just want empathy. Yes, So I try my hardest, like I have to like concertedly do it. I say, because I'm on look, you say I'm sweet every day, and I'm just like it's a concerned effort to make sure that my spirit and everything stays in the right space. I self correct as quick as I can. You know, like,

I'm not owed it. I didn't. I didn't. I worked for this life. But there's there's God too, and he gave me this, and I don't play about it, and he doesn't play about me. So I'm more beholden to God than I am to anybody and anything else. Like no, so serious. So I like, it's a conscious thing. You know, it's a real morning, middle of the day, you know, and so the stuff, I'm human, Yeah, I go through it. But the empathy part for me helps me to let me just see what you going through this week. Look

at what you said on your Instagram pick. Someone told me I pose like an old lady, and I went to custom out and then I went down his page and I was like, this is a twelve year old, so of course I'm old. Yeah, it's about right. I want to be like I wanted to be like, yeah,

your mom. You know I'm probably your mom, so you probably think, yeah, it's about right before we move on, because I was about to move on, but then you said old and old used to bother me so bad, you used to I'm with it, though, like i'd rather get old than die like that old ass nigga. You ain't. No, I'm appreciative when they call me up. No, no, I'm not unk, old ass nigga and the negative derogatory clap at me, old ass nigga. What you're doing commenting here?

What you're doing here in the shade? Run? No, Uncle's different, Uncle's reverence, respectful, old nigga Like whatever you're like, calm down, same, are the same? Rung calmed out? How you taking a picture like that? You old ass nigga? Like, well, I'm Richelia Rachel all right. Still. Yeah, we like to we like to start the beginning. Yeah, we like to go all the way back to the uk UK. We like to know when first time, first time someone saw it, or first time you felt it. I got something, discovered

that gift. Oh when I was like all right, when I was like nine or something, at church and I sang this song called Makeway for Love, I think like it was a cover of a choir song, um, some gospel choir and I didn't think I was good because my friend you had the better voice, the gospel voice, right, And I was like they were like, yeah, you're gonna sing it, and I was like, I practiced so hard, so hard, and Sunday morning I went and I sang it, and everyone stood up and collapped, and it was like,

yeahin't I was like, and you know, and then build it from there, you know, every I realized that, you know, I was in quiet. So I learned I'm a natural alto and I could. I'm really good at it. And then I started learning how to sing all the different ranges and all the different things, and and it was

just from there. And then I realized that like no one could really sing as deep as I could sing at the time, um for like a twelve year old, thirteen year old, And like I learned all the rangers, and I would start arranging with my cousins and my nieces and my cousins and my sisters. It's nine of us. Um, it's nine of us. Told all the time as three girls in the group. And then my cousin and my little friend from down the street and was in the group.

We thought, we're Black Street and Joe the season, Wily, where do you fit in the number, my oldest girl, You're the oldest girl's second oldest, second oldest. So it starts off with just you and your big brother. No, it starts off with me and my two younger sisters and then my cousin. You know, I'm saying as far as in the family. So it starts out with your big brother than you. Yeah, big brother than me, and then right behind me was my two year little sisters.

And so it was like one year, two years apart, one year apart, two years apart to me and my brother. I was cracking in your house. Yeah. My mom is a g I do not aspire. She's just amazing. Yeah, I'll get my dad is incredible to um. They're like they inspire me in a whole different way. The story there, that's what I wrote Love is rock about um. But at the time, she was married to my stepdad for

much of my childhood and that's when we were in church. Um. They break up when I was nineteen, and they get back together when I was twenty three. Um, my mom and my real dad get back together when I was twenty three. Wow. And then they have stories they did, Yeah I missed you, We got all the sys. What we're gonna do? Mom? Dad, d you see the sere But no, they their story was they met had me and my three sisters. Two sisters split up when I was three, got back together when I was twenty three.

I got mad when I'll stay three. Wow. So it's been a right, it's been a riding. Yeah. Yeah, it spend the time. But we were allays just it was always church, it was always reggae music, it was always so, it was always African. It was always all the things, y'all just mixing it. Yeah, yeah, like church, reggae, gospel, gospel, pop, all of it. So so in the UK is that a thing though? For like for black families there, we're

just like we're mixing all of it. Yeah, Like you're in the house and you're playing all the gospel, all the solo, the reggae or the dance or or whatever. And then you go to school and it's like spanned out ballet and like Yaz and like wherever, pop group,

Spice Girls, whoever. And then you come go to church and it's Karen Clark and it's you know, Donald Lawrence and all of them, and my favorite rates like she like, oh gosh, I got to interview them and I was just like um, and then you know, and then so like all of that just mixes up. It's just it's

just whatever was good stuck. Yeah, you know that's crazy. Yeah, yeah, I mean because I find I'm fine, Like I find like the traditional roots still exist in the UK, you know what I mean, especially for R and B music. Yea so army. It would be like you hear the story and I guess the idea is that R and B artists will get like extradited or they were going

tour and be famous in Europe. In the UK, yeah, and so our appreciation for them was different because we saw them far more often and in more celebrated ways back in the day than they were celebrated in the US. Right. So yeah, for instance, when I know that when he first came out, someone like music Soul Child would be in the UK regularly. Yeah, And it was the same for hip hop groups, and it was the same for

you know, like just R and B legends. They're always they tore consistently in the UK, all the festivals, all the soul beaches, whatevers. It's made up of legendary American artists. So we saw them like when I was twelve, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen nineteen, I was like glad as night and you know, like seeing real music regular day. I used to be jealous about that because all of my from genuine my

first overseas tour was with him in ninety eight. Yeah, and I used to see Joe going over there like crazy of course you said music soul Child, Carl Thomas, all these guys going over there. I'd be like, I don't want to go do that. And I never got an opportunity to really build a touring base, you know, overseas.

But I mean I do, I do well now, but I'm still like, like, take Joe for instance, Yes, like most times when I go on like I'm on his ticket, you know what I'm saying, because Joe over there is. But he had the opportunity of course. Yeah, he really got dug in. Yeah Joe, it's Joe. Yeah, like not again, yeah, yeah, Joe jacketed like John b like those guys, like guys

over there. You know, I remember a TDT went over there, and we have been doing our thing over here in the States, and you know, the screams are great in the States. It's exciting. Yeah, but we walked out on

that hammer Smith Apolo. States different, it's different. Yourself was like, listen, it was so different that before we were walking out on stage, me and Genuine had damn, they're cussed out Tyrese and had went upstairs and made our own dressing room in another room, left him downstairs, right like we're always about to fight. And we come downstairs, they playing the intro music, were all about to go on stage. Tyres is standing right there, me and Genuine is standing

over here like this, standing on Twitter. Go we on tour. I do something to him. No, I do something to him to have a Tyres question, all right, sorry to cut you, Okay, No, what what's this? What's this like? Coming off? This was coming off with a black tie era, right, yes? So was it just like could it have been remnants of the black tie energy? No, it's just m So that's my brother. I love him. It's just Tyres. It No, no remnants of nothing. It's just I can tell you sorry.

So we are literally about to walk on stage, divided, not even talking to each other, like on some like beef real beef. Yeah. And we start walking out on that stage and the building starts to shake and we just all look at each other like like a five heartbeat and it's that moment, you know, for me in London that always gives me hope for you know, for of course our group, but just R and B period, because I know there's a place like I know there's I know there are places they really love this R

and B music. Yeah, yeah, it's it's like that. It's it's unexplainable. It's unexplainable, and I love seeing it every single time I see like an artis school women and like look at this Hampson Apolo, Brixton Academy, whatever, whatever, and I'm just like, yeah, we love it, like this is this is it. And so there's a certain amount of truth that you're forced to do if you're coming up as an R and B artist in the UK.

There's no version of this that that we're going to allow you to kind of she mean, shake your way into it and just kind of be okay, like they're gonna drew you down. Let me he's seeing a Cappello over and over again. I mean when you said in the lyrics, let me see what you look like consistently and are you real? And do we know your family?

And how far back into the island seat. People just want to know everybody because your journey, yeah, your musical journey, having to prove and show up and show out, yes, consistently. So it's not it's not a thought in my head to pop out and have to do something, you know, like I'm convicted. I know what I'm walking with and I'm good so when I do call up. No. I was with the crew Black Fang and he's an artist in the UK and he had me come and wrap

on one of his records. This is the short version, and I think at the time and the error it was Miss Dynamite who was out and I was doing my thing on the underground. I wasn't you know, everyone knew me but hadn't had a record out. And I kept going to the labels and kept having records and they kept like self produced, I self distributed all well. I was singing still with an apostrophe in the middle of I don't know, um, that's nonsense, but here we are.

And so he put me on it. It was like yo, just rap and so I wrapped on it and people started knowing me around the UK and Europe as this girl, and I took every opportunity to go on the road with him. But that was the moment when people were like, oh, and then it was me. I didn't look like. I wasn't trying to be I wasn't putting myself in any other lane that they thought I should look like, be like feel like. I was just like, this is me. I'm gonna wrap like how I rap. And people were like, yo,

this this girl. They was feeling it. So and from there on, age just kind of like doors were opened. Doors were opened, doors are open. But we were working at the same time, you know. Every time he was like come to Europe, come to wherever, Come do the show in Germany, Come do this tour in Spain, come do this stuff I was doing that, I would move out. I would go do it, and then I would also be producing my own records. I would also be like

doing my own records like China Work. Yeah. I was all of the things independently, read the books, figured out I needed a distributor, got a distribute, recorded demos that sounded ridiculously terrible, putting them on this mixtape, put them out like moved, you know, and this point I'm like, at this point, I'm like twenty but one, twenty one, twenty but I've been doing it since I was seventeen. Yeah, producing your own stuff. Yeah, just trying to find a way, Yes,

figuring it out. My mom's girl. So was there ever a time where you thought about going to school, I'm done with this, No, I did. I did. So our high school is college. Um so sixteen eighteen, so I was. I went to college for journalism. So the whole time. At the same time, I'm like working a day job, like several day jobs. So I had work in my suspenses grocery store, and then I worked to a company called Darker than Blue, which was a early in the

game website about black music. So, okay player or yeah you know here we call it blue black Yeah, dark blue. Yeah. It was named after the Curse may Full song were the people that are dark and and he they had me hide as the gigs that I wanted to be a writer. I wanted to just figure out how to be in music, how to be in this thing that I love so much. And my friend Fusion was like, do you know how to write reviews? I was like, well, I've write I've written all these stories. I was a

usually creative kid. I had this folder full of stories and he was like, come on work for me. I was like, okay, cool. It was a gigs at it. So I would go to gigs and review him, and I would also be on stage at the gigs. Right, it was like yeah, like they But then it was also like parties too, so I had I built up a beautiful network of knowing all the parties, all the

promoters and all the things. So it was a lot of love and ground swell when my first album came up, because people really knew me, you know, it was outside. They were happy for you. They were very happy. And that's still like that's the foundation of my career to a degree. You know, it's a lot of real love. You know, people saw me really working. Yeah, like going out, do the day job, go to the gig, go to sleep at like five in the morning, wake up at nine am, go back to work again every day. I

love it. I love it. Was like they like the UK is a very territorial kind of place, like if if you have the back, they'll give you their backing and their blessing. Like they want to own they want this us, you know what I'm saying, Like like how Callie is or how New York Atlanta is like it's this very thing where it's like very much, this is ours Like people in my DMS and mentions all now, like when you're coming home and I'm like, I don't even know you. What do you talk? Like? Why are

you you never met? What are you saying? I missed your skinny man? Stop looking at that page? It's like, who is this akin? Maybe I know? Maybe I know he was he was two when I was moving around? What are you saying? But I appreciate it? So what was what was the breakout moment? Do you feel um in the world or just from there? Like I mean it starts there, but then I mean, I guess it'll translate to the world can do it? And the breakout moment for the world is or there was tricks to

the world American boy had to be right? And so how do we get flight? Like why are we taking this flight from the UK? So tricks that happens. I'm building, I'm moving, I'm moving. I go to a label they say no, eventually end up signing to the same label via production company. Um, it's always a matter. It just becomes this repeating story of like, hey, I'm really good. Nah, somebody else brings me in. Oh she's good, right, sign Yeah,

got that understood. It didn't quite get it the second time it happened, and this is all in the UK. Still though this is in the UK. UM I asked to be let go from the label because when we top twenties everything, everything's going great. Nineteen eighties record I have comes out and they don't believe it's going to do so well, but it does better than expected. We recoup. We're good, right. Second album comes around and I'm like, John Legend wants to help me work on this album?

Is that produce it? Do you meet him somewhere in this time? So, in this period of time before I even sign the Steel and get out there, I'm still working on my mixtapes, doing stuff independently. I'm just convicted. I'm like, I need to meet this guy, John Legend. I heard all his records on this Kanye mixtape. I need to meet him. And that's when I go to La. Well, I pray God, I need two thousand dollars to get

to La. I get I get a cool like within twenty four or forty eight hours, saying yo, go on tour with this girl jam media and do Rad Diggers parts on this guest record that she has with rad Digga. Cool. How much they pay in two thousand hounds? Right? Cool? So two thousands and this is when I'm like, no one can tell me. Nobody can tell me nothing about God. Okay, So go on this tour, get this two thousand pounds, go to America and I'm in LA and I'm working

on more demos, and I would on the street. I'm just this is I'm playing this mixtape in the hotel room to the point my friend that come with me just rolling with me. He's like, oh, and I'm just like, nah, I feel something with this. I feel that I feel it. Walked down the street to Rusco's and Kanye's in there. I don't see John at all. I just thought Kanye for John, like, Yo, you're great, you know some of the same people I know. Listen, listen, listen. Can you

are John? Yeah? I was like no, because I need to meet John. I have this song. I'm prepared. I have it on my dad tape. Right, I wasn't seeding the small CDs. It's like two thousand and two, two thousand and three, and we go to studio and meet John. He just takes you immediately. No, he um like this even. He's like, come to studio later. And I was like, okay, you've never met this man in your life. No, You're like,

but we know a couple of the same people. Yeah, And then we just started talking like this is this is God. He don't play about me, so don't play with so we're taught. Like He's like, comes to you. I was like, cool, I don't really think he's gonna. I'm thinking this gonna right. Yeah, he's not. He's not. It's probably a wrong number. He's like, yeah, come to Recomplant. So we'll go to Recomplant and I'm there freezing thinking

this la. I didn't bring no co weather clothes, so it's cold by the time I get to the studio and I'm just want to go home. I don't like coal weather. And John's in the studio. Met John said hey, here's the song. Um, listen to it in your own time because I don't even know if it's like the

snuff right now, and I'm all nervous. He's like cool, cool, cool. Um. A couple days later, he calls and he says, yeah, Kanye lights it says I can do it, so let me just do it, and then me and John get really cool, like he's like, yo, like you just your ballsy, like you got guts. I'm just like what we else? Like I'm supposed to be scared. I don't that gene

doesn't exist. I don't know what that means. Um, I'm just like, thank you, cool, cool do the He comes to London, we build up a report and he sees me really working. He sees me like putting my money where my mouth is, and he says, come on the road with me. Because every time he comes on the road or goes on the road in the UK, we're

promoting my album, which has since come out. He's done the record, it's come out, his album's gold, and he's winning all the Grammy's and doing it staying and he's touring, but he's taking me with him, and everybody's like, like, who is this? So when I go to the label at the end of this and everything's a success on our end and he's gold and they're like, who's John Legend? And I just want to punch a wall because I

want it. Because he was like I was like, he's gonna Zet produce this album for me, which becomes Shine and has an American boy in it, and they're like, who's he? And I was just like, let me go? Can you? Can you drop me? Please? Drop me? This is nonsense. I was genuinely like, now, let me go, please, please let me go. It took them three years, so

two thousand and four, five, six seven. It took them to two thousand and seven two A sign off Atlantica in I'm signed to John's label, the Atlantica Just like, what are this label doing? What the heck to the point where they were just like, we'll buy you out. We're good. Just it's twenty thousand dollars. Just we'll get it done right, Yeah yeah, And they buy me out the deal and I was like cool, And I come to the US. I've already been back and forth so much.

I'm already pretty much in my deal and I'm moving and start from scratch because no one here knows me. Yeah whatever. That was weird because you know, I'm already me in London, I was Christian Luvertanz before they knew what luvertizer look out, look out. Yeah, I come here and I'm like, whoa baby if person. This is this gonna be just you, says just you John, John John's

you know, John's coming. So I was, I wait. I used to wait for Jamie to give the club on the way, so he told me to check out the section. I wait, Okay, I wait, I wait. I love that. I wait, like whole soul, the same security that used to work for me too. So but anyway, another story. Look at that the calm of the journey. Yeah yeah,

so you're brand new in the US. I'm brand new, but again I've been moving around with John to a degree and building my own relationships, and so time American Boy comes around, we record that maybe the first week, first few months of being fully for real sign, I mean, Miami having a good sign. Come on, come on, come on. She stopped, she acted out. No, it was. It was beautiful like Miami's one of my Miami's separate from Florida.

Just this is my personal perception of Miami's separate from Florida. Um. But I had a good time, and I was we were out there recording with John and I had the chance to go with where I am. I'm just all hyped, like I ain't worried. That's gonna be good. I thought, we care, We're just gonna have fun. My cousin kept sending me CDs and I was like, I was bubbling.

I was listening to all the house, all the soul or the garage from home and this is guy with super ds and mixtape DJ Okay so cuberd mixtapes, and I'm out here like hey said, no, I'm out here bubbling, like this is my in my in Miami, right, So you know it's similar in the in the energy, having a good time in Miami. And we go into studio. John's like, what you want to ride about? I was like,

whoa is? Like what you've been doing? I was like, I've been out here outside outside, outside, let's try about these boys. And he's like, well, let's try about the boys then, and I was like, I don't mean to be fair. Outside outside, I wasn't doing too much. I was just being time. Everybody's version outside, every different. Some people in capital letters, okay, mom was I was all all small. No, it wasn't a couple of capitals, but outside outside caps one outside. I was hard enough to

write about it. Yes, the outside. I don't know what he's talking about. No, it was. It was just fun and for me it was just looking at different types of it was Cuban boys and Spanish man and I was just like, what is this, you know, like it's my end the UK like that, and so it was fun. It was just a different energy. So when I'm thinking everyone things about American boys, I'm just like, well, technically, I don't think. I didn't know the difference really was.

That's it. I have a cop from there. You know. They had a little white cars. Look at you, look at you, right back to the play hold up. Um. So I was just I was just having a good time. A couple of my homies are out there. It was just a fun time and that was it. We wrote about it. Didn't think about it. It's an hour, a couple of hours in the studio. Um who produced that? Well, I am his peeping him in his people wow. And they had that beat sitting and they didn't really think

it was gonna do much. I remember him saying, I don't think it's the hit. I said, well, if it's not, we're going to I be far and it's gonna be a white label. That's how you say it. Yeah, Okay, that's how you say it. That's how I said. I thought it was, yeah, because when you went you told me, yeah, that's what I thought it was. That's what I heard. I be for I'm back. Oh god, yeah, don't hate it,

don't happy? Is it the real? The Hurricanes back? So you're like, I'm going there anyway, so it's whatever, It's fine, like it'll be whatever. And that's literally. I just was like, look, people, I love it. I'm dancing to it. I'm happy. Yeah, and the label go ahead and they started playing it to everyone and it was like I played this to my little nephew and I played to my kids and I played it to him and everybody was just like it was that vibe to me. It's the baseline on

that record. Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's happy though, exactly, but it's kind of aggressive but it's happy though it's kind of blah blah blah. That was on purpose. That was on purpose, blah blah, like you on purpose. The frequencies are really really like happy. Where were you going for happy? You were going for that, you were going for this, I'm making a happy record. I was no. I was like this, I just feel like I'm dancing right, now

this makes me feel of joyful times. I feel like joyful times in London and I was channeling this girl, this lady from Heidi High, Um. I think her name was sup Pollard and she was the dizziest, happiest person that ever was. Um, we were singing it. I went to Elephant Jerald in my hage, one of my favorite jazz musicians. She's the bible for me. Um, and I was like, Ella was singing this, where would she go?

I kept going all these deep notes and like and John was just like, you know, like so me and him sat there and taught music because at this point, me and I'm like we're musical partners. You know, we could just go back and forth about things. And he was like, you know, like how back in he was just I'd be singing something, he'd be like, you know, like how back in the day, when go for that, I'd be like cool, and you know, translate immediately immediately.

It's easy with him. Um. And so he was like, you know, like how Diana Rust and Supremes where they were like take the base out of your voice kind of thing and just sing like go for that. And I was like suppllowed Tae just happy when you sing it, so and to me, I smiled little way through it, and I was like, people are gonna energy people, you know, when you're really channeling what you're singing, people feel it. And to me, that's just a consistent response to that record.

People just get happy when they hear it. It's the spirit, it's not you know. So that was that and we just as left. It didn't take too long in that overthink, it just sang it. How long did it take to come out before you are after you recorded? Full year? He said a year, A full year. I say a full year because the days were it was just like, oh my god, you yeah, well yeah, it's feeling you get when you got a record. Yeah, and you're ready to Man at this point, I'm like, there are some

beautiful heart Fall records on this album. I just want to have fun though, you know, this one makes me happy and also makes atlantic really happy. Yeah, let's just go like took Kanye a good eight months to get to it. Yeah, that happens, but he did it. But with without the record is just joy, yes, you know, and that's I'm happy. So that was the world wide breakout. It did exactly what we wanted and what I wanted

for it to do. I wanted people to feel joy alright, So we got some other segments to get to right before we do um you diverse five, you move into other things. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. Talk talk to me about your progressions. Apple Music. Yeah, and this is the blessing of life when I love it there, I love it. It's a good time listen. I had the idea a few years back to like twenty sixteen to do a show a podcast, and I was like, we should just go to Apple and asome about it.

At the time, they were switching over and doing some things. They didn't have the space for it. I was like, cool, first for meant to be will come back. Around twenty eighteen, we went back to them off of Lover's Drop. One of our friends was like, I'm going to stay over this right, A couple of writers and they were like, you should have a show because you just know too much music. How all the people that you know come on the show. And I was just like, I wasn't

even thinking that. I send them an email. We send them an email, I my team, we send them an email about this years ago. So let's send it again, you know, let's just send them an email, knock them they got space for They came back and said, it's a great idea for a podcast. How about you come on and do a radio show and be with us five days a week. And yeah, yeah. Then I was just like, for sure, absolutely, yes, let's do that to be fun. And then I start going and we can

have and but they are they are solid partner. They support a lot of things we do, and they're like very much like, whatever you do, we want to be a part of it. Whatever you whatever you think is great, let's be you know. And so it's myself and two other main co host angers, Jasen Strombo, and we're the main on Apple Music Kids, which is contemporary or urban contemporary music. I get to do the R and B side of it. I get to do the soul side of it. I get to do the reggae side, whatever

music on one side of it. And so I play a bunch of records. I love to hear it. I know people who I messed with personal it really is. And I interview all the heroes and greats and you know, y'a't have to at this point come on the show. But it's very like people. I like people. I love musicians I've grown up with. We've been interviewed Al Green and Eddie Laverte and and Jimmy Cliff and you know, down to JT from you know, seeing you girls like I just I love what I love and I talked

to who I love. And again this is the more I say, and the more I realize it's God is just like, do what you want. You're good. I gave you all these things. I gave you all these dreams to them and I'm to day job, I doing music, and or I should said it best right. I was interviewing him, Yeah, throw the flows out there. It's fine because he's supposed to be there. I was, okay, he

fixed my posture. But for Your Style show we interviewed him and his residency and we were talking and he said, I'm doing this if it doesn't mean I can't do That doesn't mean if I'm doing a residency, but I can still don't on a roll when I'm ready, and I can still go make an album and already this doesn't mean that I'm stuck here. And just reinforce my thought process of like you can do what you want.

You really can't do what you want, and you should all just do what we want, like as artists expand you're here doing this. You know this. I love this show. It's TV show to me, so that it's a weekly watch, you know, I watched the show like I'm catching up on the older episode. I'm just it's it's a necessary platform and it's really the idea of do what you want. You know, do exactly what you want, don't worry about it. If you're in alignment, it will be celebrated that we

lifted up. Now you're doing you're doing is amazing. That transition has been amazing. And you you're so knowledgeable. Thank you about what we all do. And well, you know what I mean, like you got it. Thank you guys. It just makes sense, you know what I mean, Like you're supposed to be where you're at. I believe it.

Thank you, you know what I mean. And the music is you know, you're a stale you know, you know, at the end of the day, music come in, you know, we have records come in and features and yeah, the other so again under the due I wanted to top five, Okay, already you're top five, my top five stales, top five. Oh my word, you're top five? Okay, song, oh wow thing freath Yeah but you know, oh god, but you know,

you know my cheek. Why do I feel like I'm watching a movie where like a Midwest team white girl gets pregnant on that's to your to juggle deal Lord deal, old Jesus, hallelujah, hallelujah. Stills topic, I would like to know the breathe out on the five. Still your top five R and b artists? How well, this is hard because female female, because and it's gonna it's gonna go into sub genres. Still nothing, I'm right, okay, so top top because this is like first pivotal point in my life.

Um eliphate Gerald. Yes, I was thirteen years old sitting in the bus going, yes, my little woman, like, how do you sound like this? Lost my mind. Stole the tape from my friend Natalie, her granddad's UM tape. I stole it from them. It was good times. Um so

yeah Elephis. Sheerald to another pivotal point for me. Joe see and just just would you all to see and more and I and the more of their more growing I get, the more I'm like, give it to Casey and Jojo because you're not screaming harmonies like that and making a sing along under the direction. I knew you're gonna come on tut Okay, okay, he told Okay. Davante was a g Remember that Joe, Joe and Ksey were courtet singers. So all of those harmonies, most of them

are aggressive until they break it down. You know what I'm saying, God call it you you. Yeah, most times you are to be its most time? Is that hard? Yeah? So that combination of them and then intricacy, it's beautiful. So I love I love Joe to see just down down the line, Um, Karen clock Ship and the sisters. It's uncle Angel. When I was growing up, and it was just like it taught me like how to individually sing, but also singing the choiet or in a group with

my sisters and that. So when I realized I could do something sing a little bit, I was like, I'm the group arranged. Okay. Yeah. She was like yeah, yeah, this is that's what we're gonna do. And so for me, it was just like hearing all these different sounds and all these like singing again, like Josie like just go in and like you hearing all the notes and then

like they were singing around sometimes. But Angels for me was the one that stuck in my soul, like the words, the lyrics that I really felt like I felt Angels like, you know, like so Karen Clouds, she and the Clouds Sisters, Misia Paris. She doesn't get taught about it enough. She's a British She's a British artist. She's one of the original the ogs, the reasons why I could stand here. Um, she's a song called you on My One Temptation and she was coming off with the back of shade. She

was brown skin, she's a she was a woman. She looked like a woman, you know, like and she just looked like me, like like if I grew up, I could be her. And she was. She was singing though she wasn't up there like giving Yeah, Mesha Paris, she wasn't up there giving gentle and just like you know an m I a c A Paris, and she she was singing. She was up there predecessing all of us. No one gets her enough props, you know, so Mesha Paris. Yeah, Okay,

it's a combination. Don't know Lawrence roncan On League and Daryl Coley. Wow you went there, dear God, dear guy, because because because I'm a Rocket League, I don't even know what a version of gospel people consider him. But he's highly underrated. And I just feel like, I it's not a song of his that I don't know by memory now still as a whole grown that wasn't singing when I was like twelve to fifteen. You know, you're

just like I bust into it like it's real. Like I learned about Abraham the Boreal, the world's greatest bass player, um, and I learned about him from watching runkin Only Live, you know, And to me it was just like that moved my childhood in a certain way. You know. I learned how to again, how to direct, how to move and you know all that stuff. Don't know Lawrence because I didn't even and I didn't even know that he'd had such a hand in so many different gospel artists

careers until I interviewed him. But just what the hell you know? Like where you hearing from God? Yes, consistently? And then Daryl Coley because it didn't make sense. It still don't make sense's special. I don't know him, i've never met him. I just hear his voice, and I'm always very much like just a standalone vocal. Just don't need a capella. I don't want to practice to him. I just hear it. I listened to him to feel good. I don't know where you're going at any given time,

and I'm fine with that. Just sing and it feels good, and that's okay, thank you. I'm going to go about my day and listen to wherever trap music I was on this week. I just needed to hear this to make me jump up a little. Yeah. Now I'm back to I might learn tomorrow, but you know, like this is he's one of the ones that change the switch for me, as far as in the same vein as Elephantz Jerold, you can do anything. Yeah, your voice, our voices, our instruments, train it, work with it. He's for sure

the pioneer foundational brick. Yeah, I'm gonna give you your flowers because I know that's what you do here. But like I'm gonna tell you this, Um, you've been so you've been moving for I'm changing. I'm saying that this like this, I don't ways think I'm dating you, but like you we know your foundation is your foundation. No,

you know, you know you're still You're good. But it's just very much like it's it's a blessing to see somebody just get better and just leaps and bows get But I remember I feel like the first time I saw you before and I'm it's gonna make you laugh. It was with Jamie in London at Kathy to Parry and Jamie pulled me on stage, but I was I was I was front row because i was studying, all right, I'm looking at these guys come over and sing R and B and I'm like, well, this is just great.

I'm having a time and I'm a still in the UK at this point. No one knows me here, right but I'm studying and he pulls me, but I'm watching the background singers. I'm watching you sing and I can't remember who else was there, but I just remember thinking, I was just like that's Tank. Like in my head, I'm like, it's I feel like I deserve like your Americans are out and I'm just like that's Tank, and they sounds so like I'm just giving all the like

there's no differentiation of respect. Well it's Jamie Watson. It's like, no, that's like my whole head is just like at this time. And I don't know. I wasn't even paying attention when he called me up because I didn't think he was talking to me. But I was very like, I was

just stunning. I was like just happy and amazed to see you know, like singing just period in that period of time on stage, you know, and then so like just watching you just consistently just it's it's it's it's a note to longevity, and it's a note to just somebody said this to me. Bebbie Smith said it to me.

It gets greater later. You know. With capricorns, we tend to sit in our skin and it just gets good when it gets good as we get grown because we just sit, you know, we get more seasons than the last stuff. And it's just like watching you here now this is what I want to see, you know, this is it. So I love I love your journey. It's inspiring, it's beautiful and just keep me in you man, Wollah, thank you. That's crazy. That was a compliment. That was like like to find to to receive a compliment in

that moment because that was a tough moment for me. Yeah, that was like, that was not Tank at its height. That was Tank, you know, having to completely humble himself and say, hey, man, I need a job, I need to kids, I gotta pay for my kids. My career is not cracking. Can I come on the road and help you with yours? But the blessing in it is that you blessed me, like you have me out here, like I'm still up here studying, Like how do they

sound so good? Yeah? And I got my backgrounds. I'm out here like, well, you don't sound good type of people like that sounds. I learn how to. I learned how to. I learned how to from watching. I learned how to manage, you know, like what I wanted to hear, what it should sound like, what it should be like. Yeah, there's no formal education for this. I you're a prival singer.

You should you should sing, you should. You're good at what you do, like you you know, half faster, you go with it with excellence, you know, and the people you support and the artists that you big up and people that you they're excellent. They're out here doing halfway music or I'm kind of sure about who they are, like the quality of guests. You know, you guys out here, it's R and B. It's real, thank you, So it's fine. It's good. Man's cool to Johnny, thank you. Come on,

let's get to that real thing, that real thing. Come to list for you, man. Top five Okay, Army songs, Army songs, songs in jams and jams, jam and see yours can be different because like you your yeah, her information is so different. So cool, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, because I had a different list, but like we're gonna go with this, Okay, Marvin and Tammy pick any um, you're not living into your loving mm hmm. Yeah, my

mind was blown when I heard that record. Yea words, the lyrics are true, but my mind was blown when I heard them sing that. I heard the vinyl of it first, and and I listened to it as I'm recording albums that you go through your phases of listening to different arts, and I had heard it one time in one frame of mind, and I was just like,

I believe that they hadn't they were they were in love? Yeah, I believe there was some form of soulmates to these two, because you don't sing at each other like that if you don't believe what you're singing. There's just different energy and different conviction with them. Nothing. Yeah, and just to me, this, as much as the technicality with some songs, to me is the feeling, it's the emotion. And that song to me, it was just like whoa like, never tell you nothing.

I was like, I'm right, I see why your heart was broken. So I get it. I understand when she paused, I get it, you know. So that's one um so blessed m and and it's again it's related to the period of time I was going through, and she's like literally detailing her life and why she's so blessed. Wake up in the morning for them fresh to death. I'm so blessed, so blessed. You know. We went to sleep,

stress refreshed. I'm so blessed. Yes, yes, she's kind of rapping on that record, so I kind of like it. But it's the intention in the words and it just makes it just it's like a It's like Vibratian for me, powers me up, you know, Anita Baker give you though. That's that got baby I can't wait for that tour my baby face and Anita Baker that you're kidding me, man, I'm just gonna I'm just gonna breathe out and get my singing and shoes ready, get my singing pants on.

I'm ready. I'm wearing flip flops, the bad time flop. I need you a Baker best, I go How did your video? How did you do it? To about his foot? Go for it? Go for it, Desiree, gotta be Yeah. I love that song. Yeah, it's good, ain't it. It's simple in the same way that don't worry be happy, just the two of us, don't you worry about it. I think it's simple like that and American Boy just to feel good records feels good and the words at the words are true. I'm a big words and make

it makes sense person two people? All this fair love. Stevie wonders, Well we live in Legend wrapping him in bubbles, So grateful for him another again, John Legend, mha, because goddamn.

And I heard the very first aeration of that record, like whatever he did, like I feel like there was a version of it, or maybe there was like a mix is different, something but hearing him play it, it was just like, who are you showing whose who feelings and whose hearts and and it's it's I'm not placing them together at all, but all this fair love Stevie Wonders. Just man, I we know that comes from God. You're Annie Boltryn. Okay, I want to know who you're gonna

get the vocal from. Who are you gonna get here? Yeah? The performance style, from the styling from and the passion of the artists. Okay, I'm gonna build it who you're grabbing the vocal from? The vocal shells go. She could do anything, anything, She could do anything. She's not even trying effortless. It feels good just to get cush you out. And I will and I will take it with a smile. Maybe I deserved. How would you saying, she she's so cold,

just press just standing there, just cold. That's that's tough, okay, Jill Scott performance style. Yeah, I'm a I'm a new renewed pure fan from the Vegas Residency. You've seen the first show of the second show, second show, Monster show. Jesus, he's in skates, he's skates. I can barely breathe it, like, what are we doing? Like I can't breathe it. I can't breathe sing and be on skates like pick one or the two. I can normally appreciate a great performance,

but I can't do that. I can not even close that. It made me do more push ups. I'm saying, yeah, the next thing, but you gotta like sing the very doing. Yeah, that would be you can do that something the Agelo did that, you could do it. I gotta he did it, all right, he did damn that in Lon do pull ups? Well, I'm saying, easy muscle ups. You know what I do a muscle up to the mic. People, y'all gonna start this, okay,

all right? Who we got? We got vocal Jill Scott, performance style ussure um, the drip, the styling of okay, okay now because okay, I can't see myself, no joking, yea in my bag, I see myself. But like, also, you know another artist, I appreciate their style and people like and she pops out, she pops out, and she looks good every time. Santi Gold flies here, Lie, she flies here. Lie on a lot of people's vision boards, yeah, a lot of people's boys they're taken. They're taking taking

from that. Santi Gold. She's one of the ones people need to stop watch her um passion, the heart of the artist, the soul any A Baker down, I might cry Anya Baker. It was gonna be an A Baker, always gonna be Marvin and Temmy. It's either I heard a need to sing a piece of Happy Birthday? How did you feel? That gave me chills, And he called me about her singing Happy Birthday. It's just a piece. It ran to do my soul. Yeah, I didn't know what to do with myself. Yeah, it's about right. Yeah.

And I was like, I don't know what I'm gonna do at a full concert. No, I know what I'm gonna do. I just want you to film yourself and I'll feel myself too. He definitely gonna be feeling Okay, look at this punk Ye gods, that's a dope bull man. You kidding me? Yeah, Passion, that's how that's that. That her music, that's that's what taught me R and B music. And I love you know what I love about her? What I relate the most, Like you don't have to go it's hard all the time. Her tone is her

tone like she floats. Betty White said that to me too. She's like, you don't have to holler. She did. She told me I could just bet Ever tell you anything nothing. Wow. So Betty White tell Betty right, no, right, very right. She said to me. She was like, we did a Black Girls talking and the next day she's like, I saw you singing Conqueror and your voice is your tone is beautiful? Just you know. She didn't say like as much. She's like you. I love that you don't like have

to holler. You can just give and that's that's your superpower essentially within your Sean told me that one day, me and me and Sean were doing We're doing that record. She's both y'all flexing on me at the point, what Sean are you talking about? Stanos Menka, Honey, let's get out. This is Capricorn and he was he was talking about that. He was he was doing it my Michael Jackson. You know what, Yeah, there's the big space. But he was like, he's like, yeah, think I don't sing Cloud. I was like,

what do you mean? I just this is how I sing, how I talk? Are you that's how I think? And I just sing like that. I was like, uh, it works, Okay, got you. And then I was having a conversation with my kid, kid the kid Darryl Walls from Walls Group, and he was like, he's like, I gotta get out of screaming, man. I was like, I'm trying to figure out how to get out of it too. Yeah, because I just have this the space of aggression that I love to go to and and and that's always been

me emulating John p Key. Yeah, it's always been me trying to live in that heavy space when I'm naturally a cross between baby Face and Brian Knight. That's where I naturally live. Yeah. Right, It's just like how do I how do I dial it back? What I mean, get present and just and even explore more of my lower register which I never use, Like I can sign down here. I'm saying, who's very white right now? Can we? You'll never find we need more? No, Barry White is listen,

Barry White is underrated. That's brilliant. He's he was a monster, but brilliant. He used to take his time and and spawned so many groups and just musical album like Understand for Fun. Yeah, hey, listen, the most urgent. He sound was like, what's the world? Boom boom boom boom boom

boom boom. What's that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I love you just a little bit more, Yeah, exactly, singing hard my first everything everything, Yeah, given, give me Yeah, exploring that that that balance, that's just graceful space in your register and in your tone, like it's a love internal Yeah, like calming it down, it's it's got to be. It's really got to be on purpose for me because I get hype. Just you got it. I want to hear more. I want to hear it there. Okay, I'm saying no

names name. Ain't saying no names, no name, who you with, where you was, what you did? Who your friend? No name? Not say no name. Yeah, I like that, like that movie. Yeah, so you know we had that, We had that part of the show. We're here, you know, you know little see more from Yeah, leave me shop my hearts. So this segment of the show, it's caught. I ain't saying on that. Will you tell us your story? God? Funnier fucked up and the Travels of a Stale and Steale

is from you know, she's from across the water. So it could be a story from across the Waters if you want to, you know, pond the river, our pondi river if you want to, Yeah, only ruling the story. Oh God. In the segment, you can't say the names, no names, all right? Can I say what they do? Yes? Yes, yes, yes you can. You can. You can explain the things around it. You can't explain the characteristics. You can't say their name? Are they aliases? He can't say none of

that's all right? I have one Oh yeah, and I'm gonna presee this with this person's like hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, because right now today are tonight, if it's overseas, we are going to a stale. I ain't saying no name. Ain't saying no names, all right? This person is like we love to say that, you know, like Wayne Brady was in Dave Chappelle's like he just pops up and the weirdest shit. Okay, A person's like that to me, very smooth R and B singer, really cool.

So we have this show for a really well known publication, and we're in the middle of like, oh my Hartebraska something like that, Like somewhere we're literally in cornfields and I fly in and I'm just like, they give me this like really small like backstage eariot, like a little the Winnebagoes yeah, and I'm like, oh, I'm thinking it's just whatever, and I'm not really looking around when I go to do my shows. I going to do my thing and leave. I go in and I'm like, okay,

well this is I had to quick. We're only here for a couple of hours. It is I don't even know what this thing is. I step in, I look at I step outside and it was like, well, I'll just wait out here. This is not cute at all. This is not cute. Put put my shoes in the bag, in the trunk, changing the truck, it'd be fine. Um. And we're standing outside. It's me, my DJ, my role manager, and it's quiet. But I looked to my left and it's beautiful Winnebagol. This thing is like four yard blocks.

This thing is just big Winnebago is going for like half the field and I'm here like who is this for? And I'm really not paying any mind. Didn't look at the set list or nothing, and it's the artists. When a baby go I'm not fast. I don't go in there. I'm trying to be respect for Oh it's cute. They probably never gonna use it, but it's probably like mad things in there, but whatever, mad like cool war like I had like a trade like with a with a water and a croak. Okay, It's like it was terrible.

It's just very opposite. We're standing there and we're just out here talking me my DJ I'm a manager, and we're just standing there. All of a sudden, hear down the field a out it just ain't and they ain't saying that Abby's in't that track blaring. This suv is like moving down this cornfield and I'm like having the time, like, who, what is happening? What is what's going on? Because it's

very it's very quiet, it's very chill. And then the arm recing pops up and he's like hey, he's like shirts and whoever, and he's going for it, and I'm just like my head is doing the whole swivel, like what is going on now? I'm I am just consistently just what is happening. He's like pulls up with the skirt, his driver pulls up with the skirt and he pops

out and he's like barely got a shot. And he's like, hey, yo, just come come in, come in the trailer, and so I'm like, I'm already just mind blowing that he's wrapping NICKI minar. I'm realistic bees in the track, I'm realistic deserbels pulling through this cornfield. And I'm just like, oh okay. So then we go into we all go into the

mansion of this Winnebago. It's beautiful Winnebago, and I'm just looking at my Winnebegel going this is whole soul store confused, and he's like, oh, how are you getting back to how you get back to New York. I's living in New York at the time, hanging back to New York. Oh, fly back tomorrow. Just come to me on the jet.

My whole soul is just having a time because you guys, this beautiful Winnebago, they flay you here on the jet like, and he's just like, just come to me on the jet, and I'm just like, I have people with me, Oh okay, And he's just very much like it's just like it is. He's living a completely different reality than me, and it's it's same music. It's all turned. It's just vibes up in this in this Winnebago, and when I tell you,

he sings the smoothest of music. So it's just blowing my mind that this is all the way turned up. And so I go and I perform, and then I get off and I'm just like, I don't want to go, and I was like, wait and see what this artist does. It's dusk, and he damn near turns into Marvin Gay on stage and he's just it's just our and beer. And I'm just like looking at him going forty five minutes ago. You was bes in the track what is going? So like it just lets me know. And and this

just keeps happening. Every time I see him in random circumstances, it'd be some very wild like I'm standing there going okay, well, I don't know, I don't know what's about to happen. This is nuts. We might another time we ended up he ended up wrapping Rick Ross outside of a walk through and I sat there like this one is joining, but just sat still because I wasn't sure. I didn't know what was going to happen. Man, I just didn't know.

It was just and he's just the very the exact opposite of all of this as a person, as an artist that we know him to be in real life. It's very don't more than more than more than me when I'm in my vibe, it's quite interesting. So it's very it's just a very like what the hell is happening? R and B will surprise you. We will surprise you, man. And you know you feel like the artist follows, you know, their personals follow their outside na never this R and

B thing. It's differ it's very very strange. It's different. Yeah, it was very weird. So that's that's my like, what the hell? People people crazy? And they have beautiful Winne bagels and jets and window bagos and jets and jets. I was tired though, because I was just like, the thing is beautiful, Look it's clean, look at the floors, like I've been some of those not so nice tidy winnebagels, and you just have to hold it kind of thing

to a degree. You're just like, you know, what, it'll be fun today, you know, for two hours, I'll just sit in the cart sitting. We'll just go from the spring. What I'm saying will be But I think it's so different for for for female artists. I think, you know, even though you know when females are on the come up, I get it, you know what I'm saying. The accommodations aren't always going to be the greatest for new artists, but a female has to get ready a different kind

of way. Yeah, and I wish, I wish, I wish promoters would be more mindful of that. It comes to your boundary so too. You have to tell them from the rip, I don't do that. It's not how I move. You have to get the thing. It's like, oh yeah, we got it, get and then you and then then it's also up to you as an artist to know what you're walking into sometimes like uh no, you don't like you got it. I'm going to change the hotel.

I'll be there when I'll bet I'm there. There's a there's a certain fee, a certain fee in the rider. You know, if you don't meet the need to require it's gonna cost you because because if you miss out on the food, yeah right there with that, that so twelve hundred, Yeah, you miss out do this wrong. It is tears of wrongdoing. It's gonna cost James two times, um stale, thank you so much for just giving us your time, you know, giving us good energy, blessing us.

You know what I'm saying, like blessing us, Like you're always you're always dope to be around. Thank you, And I hope you know that. You know your name is associated with all good things, all good energy, all good vibes. There's nobody in this world I know. I was like, I know that somebody, but like, because you probably get to the ship if you're going, you want look about. Yeah, I'm sure doing your outside outside day, you know, saying

we're good. Nobody, I really, I really don't like I try and standing up on my stuff, somebody walking up. You seen it there, let me know you see it. You see that. I try to stand in my world as much as I can. And if you have beef with me, um say it. And if you don't think you don't know me, well, yeah we're good. And if you do, it's harmony. Sorry, but your name is good on every month. Luther can't have been so you loved here, Yeah, you love And I promise I would start running up

on you coming on the podcast. And now you've come, I'm walking out of places. So you coming. I know you're trying to enjoy yourself in here and I'm trying to leave, but I just want to make sure you're gonna pull up. Everybody was looking forward to you to come. My daughters. I was like this this stell here, yeah listening still Zion has everybody Yo, what beautiful family so grown like I was like, I see and I look out for them like they my kids. By the way,

I was last I see yeah concert. I was like, yeah, all right, I tell you, I see her. I see her. She would probably be we good, okay, But we are appreciative of your energy. I'm appreciative of your contributions. Thank you for having just to the universe overall. Nice personale. This is developed by me in the COVID and I'm just continuing the vibe roses. Keep the vibes going. Thank you. We like roses. I'm on entrepreneurship. What's the name of it?

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