Coco Jones

That was a good I just it just the lord. It is from me being a rapper before we get started. Um, tequila to you. Um. You went crazy on the Soul Training Awards. The Michael Michaels did nickas Mike's be off whatever? Oh this is delightful? Is this it's it's it's support of life that you know most privy tips to die you all is good? Yeah, because normally sequila comes with the side of burn, but this is good. It's comes to sneaker. Here comes with that is co cou You

went so crazy on the Soul Train Awards. And I hate to start right here because we're going to go back to the beginning, right, But you were going so crazy and I actual so you didn't get to see the show because I was doing so much running around and I sat and watched the show on TV and you started singing, and I was like, that's singing. Yeah, that's that's R and B music. No, that's how you deliver, Mike on. Okay, you're giving them face fit. You know

what I'm saying. You drip everything. You're giving him the whole thing. That again, you're talking about my hair, be la. The hair was late. I mean, write that down so you know that next the hair was late, not dripped, because then drip was I mean, I just wanted to say dripped from head to talk. That's fine. Wanted to be just adding to your Lord, Jesus Lord. The last supper was out there. You know what you can say. I was eating like it was the last supper. You know.

It makes me like you wrap two you can say that, Okay, you do you wrap? Can you wrap? I'm not even going to speak on that because the girls who really be rapping really be rapping. But sometimes I do surprise myself with a little bar. But I just don't see Baddy. I surprised myself too in my earlier days. Everything Okay, MC hurricane, I was, I started, I started, I was a terror in the hood? Was it really empty? Hurricane? Hurricane in the hood? I battle? You know, this ain't

about you. It bothered me, and and and something you said that was really dupe before we started, Like you know, you're hearing you sing and you getting into that moment and delivering, and then the announcer the commercial comes up and starts talking while you're singing, and I get it. Um, you know, I guess in terms of the format of the show or whatever they have to do to promote and all these cool things. Okay, well I look at it like this, right, That's why I said how much respect?

But at the same time as a fan anger and when somebody getting busy, like the other young fellow cue getting get busy to go to fucking commercial. Okay, guys, First of all, it's a whole show, and they got to fit a whole school show into the lineup. They cut something else, not the singing. What they're supposed to cut. I don't know something I don't right, And then we gotta figure out, Okay, if there is a commercial then

let's set aside. Let's find a moment to where that can be because it's going to be re aired, right, so let's find a moment for that full performance to be televised. That's a performance is available for people to watch. It's just not on the entire show. And they had already told me that before I even did my performance. But here's why I said humble beginnings, because a year ago I was watching it mad as hell? Why am

I not on it? So now I'm there, and then I'm gonna be mad that they cut my performance a little bit. No, I know, it's just a start. You are doing it the right way. We're gonna be angry for you. Thank you. I'm gonna custom that's how I live my life because we are so oh you. He won't have my performance, said, he's not gonna get the fool me, then I'm not. I'm not coming. I haven't screamed one day, maybe one day. I just got here. Okay, I'm just happy to be here. You're gonna be here.

You're here, You're gonna be here, and we want we just we are celebrating. We are in the space of motivating and encouraging those kinds of moments. Those are the moments that are going to continue to inspire the next generation. As you are the new generation of R and B, but the next the kids coming. You know what I'm saying. When I was a kid seven years old, you already had a record deal of anyway, when I was a kid seven, eight, nine years old watching amazing performers on television.

You know what I mean, those are the things that inspired me and so that you know, for me, your entire performance I felt, you know, wasn't necessary in that, but I digress. It upset us. Thank you and we'll move. Yeah, you doing this for me some training to um uh letkoko umleko ko man. You've referred to you as this. A few say it is they throw throw. Um Let's go back too, as you say, humble beginnings, the very beginning, Like when was the first time somebody said, oh, that

baby right there got it? Or that you saw and felt that moment happening. He was like, ship, that's so funny that you asked that the first time somebody noticed that I could really sing? I don't even think I was two years old. So basically, my mom had her friend over and her friend was a violinist and they were talking and I was just watching Barnie. Literally they're talking and the ladies like, hold on, I'm sorry, she just stopped talking. My mom's like, what what, She's like,

your kid, they're singing everything back in perfect pitch. Your child has a perfect ear. And my mom was like, okay, like period, when I tell you from then on, I literally have never stopped making sounds, singing, humming, like in all the baby videos. It's all I'm doing at all tonight. Literally it's crazy like I'm always making some sort of music. And that was the first time it was noticed, the first time I felt it was like I would come

from athletes. My dad played professional football, so I know what it's like when you like score and everyone reacts to the score. It feels like you ate that. You know what I'm saying. You feel that momentum, You feel that energy in the house with Mike Jones. When Mike when like Nick's just running around like going Mike y'all. First of all, but he's not the rapper one like the name Jones. Okay, like's not that one, but m Yeah, we'd be outside doing drills in the summer I'm like, sir,

I'm in third grade. I don't know what this has to do with much, but okay, here we go outside with like. But I was also very competitive, like I'd be the one on flag football, like dodging all types of dudes and then like I'd go and score and then I like hose and they'd be like were period. Like I was always so competitive, so I knew that feeling of like doing something good and seeing the reaction.

And I remember I had done like this little Broadway type show with my school like young kids, and I had a little solo and I remember seeing the reactions and I was like, this is the same reaction as when I score. I was like, what is this? It's giving everyone's cheering, so I'm like, what does this mean? Um? I say that was like the first time that I really noticed it really young though. All of this stuff was really young. You from the south, right, I'm from Tennessee.

Was it country at first? For you? Was it country music or no? You know what's funny? It was definitely gospel. My mom was like, you are going to serve the Lord with this voice of yours. I was like, okay, She's like Courtney you will serve the Lord with this voice. That's my mom. And I was like, okay, I'm nine, so like whatever you want to do, that's what we're gonna do. Like what am I going to object? So my mom was trying to get me in all these

gospel lanes and it just wasn't happening. It wasn't panning out like I was supposed to join the one Christian group like pure in RG help. You guys are a group right now. If you are, I'm out side. I hope you're doing well. If you are. It just like wouldn't work, Like the doors would just keep closing, and the doors that would openly wanted to pose. I did want to you for Christ you can post. Don't even do that. Don't put yourself in a box. Do what the post for crisis. It's like this, you not need

to cross. I don't think that's gonna work. You know, it's it's the heart. He didn't work. Now it works. It didn't work for a media. I think it was just like God had a different plan for how I'm going to impact you know, because you can be in the gospel category and be a light, and you can be in the secular music and be a light. It's about your actions. It's not about like what job you do. You can be a postman and be a light. You

know what I'm saying. It's about what you're caring, what you're bringing to the world, what you're what you're offering, what you're talking about. So it just wouldn't pan out like that. But the doors that would open would be like like Kids Bob or like a commercial about like a broccoli cereal and I'd be like, I do it, and it would happen. And that's just kind of how

it panned out. And you're doing this from Tennessee. Yes, I would um audition and they'd have like cattle calls and things like that, and I would do music there like as much as they could offer me. I mean, but I was also just trying to figure it out. Like my mom made this ghetto little EP on her computer, and I was like talking about basketball and singing about like sleepovers and stuff. But you know it was really dope.

Was I would do all these live performances like if you want to pause there, sleep over something, I want to know what, you know what the basketball friends and they come over and then it starts. It's sleep. You know, stop playing with me because it would be giving soul. This one, this one about basketball, it was like, uh, it was like jump ball, Hey, kicking it to me, watch me you work. I'm jumping out of the gym.

It was fire. It was fire. And then I had this other one about like doing char excuse me, don't play with me because I always was giving soul now and they had like a cute look. It was like funky like anyway because all that was like all these like older muic muic and guys like that's what they knew. They didn't know hip hop like always put the old niggas world. It's just so funny that that always happens.

And it really did give that. Like this guy that was a judge at a talent competition that I won, he was like, I'll work with you for free until until when I saw he saw the talent so it would be him and like he'd be like Courtney, you're ready, I'm like here we go, rob jump out. I felt like I was personally eating a stop. Wait, why is what side is that it's actually giving that? Okay, I still don't like it. I don't care because if you listen to it, you'd be like, Okay, this kind of

has a little sleep. I'll send it to you. I'll find don't I'm gonna find it. They always act everyone. My mom has every song of that. This is my camera right here, Mama Jones, Mama Jones, can you send this jump ball? Jumball? Is that what it's called. I don't know what we're gonna call it? Jump off? It's the basketball song. We need to hear the backs, the basketball song. My mom would also help me, right, I'd be like, thanks, girl, but you want to know something crazy.

When I was also a rapper because I used to sing a rap as well. My brother, my older brother, would write all my raps about the sleepover, different ones. Okay, I'm trying trying to flash. I'm trying to put two and two together. That's all. That's all I'm trying to do. There were other songs. It was what I was going through in my life, not doing chores, my best friend moving away, basketball sleepovers. I mean, I don't know that's what I'm actually with it. I'm what it is supposed

to be. There. At that age, you were writing your life, which is crazy because that's when we preach right, you were literally like writing the very nuances and it sounds funny, but the simplest things those are hit records. Okay, sleepover record right now, my son will sing the mess out of a sleepover. That's what I'm saying. But we need those records again, we actually do for kids. Like when we we had Ray Parker Jr. On here and he talked about Riddy missed a telephone man for a new edition.

Obviously you don't even need a telephone many more really, but in that when he wrote that record, when I was a kid and I heard that song, it connected to him. So we actually do need that again. We need younger artists, especially if you're you know, preteen or teenage. You should be singing about that. You shouldn't be singing about you know, we're growing up. We should not be a club in your song. Yeah, but you know what they do. They had kid clubs when I was young.

I don't know, you never you could go outside. I went to a kid club. He went outside. You couldn't go. Oh he was religious. They had a bang called Black Saturday. Who boy. Okay, okay, mine was not giving your manager. She's from the bank should interesting. Yeah, yeah, but back to Coco Jones writing the songs about basketball, Oh my god,

trying to install. I did play for a really long time, and then when I started singing, I was missing practice and stuff and I couldn't balance them both, and I just chose singing, all right, So we went to missing preg this is and so apparently at some point things started getting crazy. When was that? What? What? What time period was that where you just felt like there was an influx of demand for what you what? What's your

gifts were? Um? Around twelve? Around twelve is when I did Next Big Thing, which is like American Idol, Disney's version of that. Actually Chloe and Highy were on it too, but I did that. And then once you kind of become one of the people that they go to, they send you out to a lot of things. So I was on tours, I was performing, doing our shows. I was getting into it. Yes, I was doing shows, and then I would be auditioning at the same time for roles.

My acting was real, real crusty at that time. They say I wasn't getting a lot, but I was getting better and better with time, and I just would always be in l A and every summer I'd be like, all right, y'all, I'm gonna go be Hanna Montana. I'll see y'all. I don't know when i'mnna seyall again, but you know, you can definitely come to show. Whatever I was, I was just I knew I was going that way. I was like, is this for me? I don't know

about job? So twelve years old, you get your ears, you get you get your you get your Mickey Mouse ears. I mean that's when I was really really working with um Disney Channel a lot. And I mean that's like the perfect place to be at the time, you know, because you want to be doing me personally. My mom is not a stage mom. My mom was like if you're not trying to work, I'm going home. I'm tired. So I was always the one like, Okay, what can I do more of? Like I was hungry for it

this whole time, you know. So for me, it was like the perfect scenario, like I'm doing these guest stars and then I get this movie and it felt like a dream to me, Like it was just like a dream. Like I would go to the park and I'd sing there and then I get to ride rides, no lines like this was everything. This was everything I ever needed, you know, I was very very happy. But yeah, for you though, was it a choice to go to Disney Route or was that just what was available? It was

it was just we didn't know anything. Like we were just like going, like I'm just grateful that my mom and dad had started some businesses, so they did know like certain things like Coco is is my business name? And I have like business you know, it's all business savvy the things that they did. But as far as like we have never stuff like that and like to protect me and whatnot. Um, but as far as knowing what we were doing in the industry, we were just

going through the doors that opened. Like your dad still playing at this time. Oh no, no, no no, he retired when I was much younger. Okay, so they were able to focus on pushing your career. Well, yeah, my mom was really the one that like would be on the road with me, and then my brother and sister. They both played sports, so my dad would be like nurturing

their careers, you know what I'm saying. And um, it was really just like whatever opens, that's where we're gonna, That's where we really go, you know, and my mom she did a really good job of just finding as much opportunity as she could. You know, for a while she was management, agent, stylists, you know everything. You know, that's crazy because it's like it's like it's so different because where I guess where we come from, or where I came from, anyway, we didn't. I just didn't know

what that was. I knew I could sing, I knew I could write a song. I know I can make a track. I didn't know what to do after that. My mama didn't know, you know what I'm saying. Father, military, mother, working two jobs at department stores. Did you do any like talent shows or anything? I mean, I was I was already already a professional gospel singer in high school. But if it wasn't church, yeah, I wasn't doing it. I didn't. I didn't know much about it. I wasn't

doing it, you know what I'm saying. So it was always choirs, and I had been introduced to John p Key and all these things at an early age, so that's you know, I still didn't know what it was on the other side of the teleged of the team stream, Yeah, I still didn't know how any of that work, because it sounds like from what you're telling us that you were the one pushing forward early, I mean finding these things to get involved in. Yeah. Yeah, I was very

very passionate. Like I would wear like my pajamas to the studio because I knew I had to get up for school, but like I would rather be there doing that all night, and my mom will be like like, no, my one more try. And you know another thing too, Like I would sing all the way through. It was old as equipment, so I would have to sing the takes all the way through. I feel like a lot of the stuff that I do now is because of how hungry I was and just using whatever resources were

around me. Yeah, it was definitely scaring, and my mom like she saw my passion for it. My passion for it. What is the moment if you're looking around and you're like, Okay, I've arrived. We're not a national normal. I don't even using that I who N O N. But we call it l E V A N O N. My big break, My big break was definitely let it Shine. I mean that is still what people talk about and associate me with.

First even with all this other stuff going on. Um, I remember like the audition process and pretty much everybody that we know was in that auditioning room. You know, all of us as little kids and young girls, young black girls, so like it would just get smaller and smaller and smaller and smaller this pool. And I think I auditioned like seven times, so that meant we had to come to l A multiple times. You know, you

have to fly here to audition. Yeah. I didn't move here until I was an adult, okay, or like if it was important, important, then they'd be like, all right, let's get out. So what was the audition on their dime? Or you all had to pay for it to get got it? Got l O L got it? If you want it, you want it, come on, okay, you need

to be there very much. It's giving or next. Um. So when I got that film and it came out, it was the number one TV movie that year, and I just remember the momentum like right after that, like it was like Okay, now you're gonna have this TV show and you're signed, you're at a record label. Dada da da da, Like it was just going so fast, and it feels kind of like now, you know, like all this momentum and and like building up to something. But I was fourteen, you know, and I didn't know.

I didn't know that that would ever stop. So I was like, so j'all, so y'all try to play here we go so but literally, like it was all these things that were supposed to happen, and I did put out a project. It's so crazy, like Victoria wrote on my first EP. Yes, and Tommy was on it too. Tommy produced it on it too, like all the people like we you know, we are all like doing big things now. But it was like Taylor Parks was on

it too, like crazy. But it all was like going like this and then it just like stopped, but not drastically. In my mind, it felt like that, but it was more like, Okay, my management at the time did not know like what to do. They didn't know how to create opportunity. They knew how to keep because they know how to keep umbrella to right, What do you mean as far as like the movies, No, not even just

the business side of it. From from your business side of I'm talking about the business that you guys were in. He's like you were signed to Hollywood Records, right, and they're connected to said, well you said it, I said,

I did, you know what? But all of these companies were connected to each other though yeah, yeah, I mean they kind of it's like a it's not a full package deal, but you kind of know if you have a show, you're gonna make music, and if you're doing really well, they're going to try to put you on a show, you know, and you're only going to do a deal with their company. You're you can do whatever

you want to do. But at the time, I mean, when you're a young kid and this looks like the next obvious step, the whole golden ticket, that's what you're gonna do, you don't think like you know that I have leverage. Let's see what you can do for me. Like but I was like sign it, but my mom was like, mmmm, something in my schando since now. So I did do the record deal, but I didn't do

the TV show. And I asked that because our podcast is informative, we wanted to be as informative as possible, and your situation is so unique for a guest that we've had. That's why I asked that, Like, you know, because it's kind of American Idol is like you said, like when you when you do American Idol, you're signing

to a certain label that's connected to American Idol. It's not like, oh, I want American Idol and now I'm about to go do you know this this whole campaign and go meet all these labels, right, run it up? Ain't running it up? No, it's giving like we put you on, You're gonna stay right on. But like, these are all things that I wanted to I didn't I didn't know what shopping, wasn't going to other labels, and I didn't know any of that. I was like, I want to do. What can I do to be Raven

Hannah Montana? Like what can I do? This is what this is what you do. This is what we're doing. You know. So at the time, like it looked like all of these things we're gonna work out, But there's also a formula, and if you're a black girl who can sing, you're not going to fit into that formula. Like you're already throwing throwing off the balance, you know, because I don't look like those girls that I said I wanted to be, Like, I definitely don't sing like them.

I don't even the music doesn't even fit me that I'm being told to do. So what now what? And I didn't do the TV show? So now the main marketing strategy is not I didn't do that. Was there a reason you didn't do the TV show? Um? I think part of it, from what I mean, I don't. I don't really know because I was much younger. But part of it, I feel like, was how long I was going to be under you know, that umbrella to

keep being longer and longer. Yeah, um, and then a little record company and then also to like I knew that I wanted to like have a different type of longevity. And so I do feel like my mom was smart and like to thinking what we could get from the experience, but not diving so deep in that you're really really stuck as that character, you know what I'm saying, Like stuck because it can happen. Yeah, and especially if you do it really really well. Yeah, you were that person

you everyone foreverever in the transition. Is that much more difficult or growing up for that matter, Yeah, is that much more? Yeah? And I think I mean God was definitely protecting me, but at the time I was like so disappointed because it just wasn't I was like, this is what I was saying. I was going to do the whole time and didn't pan out the way you when you say slow down as you put it in that moment, What does that feel like to you? And what are you doing too? I guess feel the space

or feel the time avoid that you're feeling. Man. Well, I was also trying to graduate early, so now I'm like fifteen, are you in school or homeschool? Homeschool? Trying to graduate early because I was like, I need to move to leg now. I need to move there because that's where the opportunities are. That's why I'm not like this big star, I'm here, I need to go. So I was trying to go like finished school and get

out of there. And um, I also was like, I guess I was really in my religious mindset because I was like, where am I sinning? Because this isn't happening the way it's supposed to happen. So what man? What didn't I do? Right? And so I was like like my friends would call me like the Nune because I like, I'm gonna sit this one out and let y'all have you're not feeling no, no, no, no, no, not that I'm not feeling that. I just don't understand that because

I wasn't raised that way. So there is no there is no um there is there is there's nothing telling me because I did this, this is not happening right. That's the best way that I can put it, you know what I mean. There's no like commandments of I didn't follow that, so this didn't happen for me. I never think, well, I don't. I don't have that. In that church space that we were in, it was very much everything was connected to you know what I'm saying.

The good and bad things were definitely centered around how are you living? You know, it could be anything anything, you know what I'm saying, Like you said some bad words last week. That's why the Lord is you know, that's why this, this, this opportunity didn't come through it. You gotta slow that down, you know what I'm saying. I gotta trying to tell you something. You doing something. It's all it was. It's all it was always that you're not doing something right. Therefore, that's why this is

not happening. Boy, very much done. But no, at the time like I really like was diving into that, like what exa. I was like, how do I live perfect? Because that must be why my prayers aren't answering. So I'd be the nun like the goody like I wasn't doing it. I was not doing nothing, but I just wanted to graduate and I wanted these things to work out. And then I got dropped and then I was like, oh, now I'm rebellious because something someone wide and I'm curious.

I'm sixteen, I haven't done anything. All the girls are doing everything. I'm done, girl, I'm outside. You know, if this was really me talking to God, I'd be like, okay, what's that? He like? Are you being real? I'm like, I didn't do anything. I was sitting here and now and it's not okay, So I'm done. And that's really how I was like. And I mean I wasn't out here while because first of all, I was home school.

It's not like I was about to go like I went to like some parties with the girls who would dance with me, like my dancers, and I'd be like sneaking out. Yeah, Like I was so not like really with it, you know what I'm saying, um, but then I did graduate. She's the greatest. This is great, literally, but you want to know something so funny? Can I can I tell a funny story? Okay? So this this was the first time I ever snuck out right, and my mom and dad went to go somewhere my sister

for volleyball. So me and my brother were at the house. My brother was like, I'm sticking out and I was like what. He was like, I'm sneaking out. I was like I was older than him, Like I was I was sixteen. Yeah, I was sixteen and he was fifteen. He was like, I'm out. I was like where. I was like, where are you going? He was like, I don't know, it's gonna be outside. I was like, well what if? I mean like, I was just like, wow, we're rebellious. Okay, okay. I was like, so me too.

I was asking my I was asking my dancer. I was like, where the party it. She was like, okay, yeah, you can come to me this party like it was like deep Nashville. Now, I don't really go outside like that. I was with my mom. I was very much like trying to like be booked. I was on set. The only times I went to Ashville. Was for the studio sessions, auditions, performances, and now I'm gonna go to the party. Right how far?

It's like yeah, And here's the thing too, Like we had a long driveway, so I was driving with no lights on. I was like, I was sweating. I was like, I was it's forest because my neighbors are snitches because they was gonna tell. I was like, I was scared. I was driving, could not see. I have my glass zone. It's so much forestry and deers. I was like, oh my god, Bamby, please like I can't today. Okay. So I sneak out right and my mom sends like this text.

She's like, thank you guys so much for like not having any attitude. And we were like stay home, we love y'all. And I was I was like, no, no problem, girl. I was at this party, right. I was at this party. And so then this guy that I had liked at the time, who also went to my church. I was such a square. He went to my church, but he was like the rebellious type. I was like, oh he's dead and at least sting okay, shurts that it was so hot, okay, So he was saying he was gonna

come there or whatever, and I was like, okay. Period. So when I walked in or whatever, I remember it was like a cloud of smoke. This is my first time like even being around anything. I was like, oh my god. I was like, this is the haze. This is the this is the spirit, this is the dark spirit haze. This is that. I was like. I was like I should leave, and then I was like I must stay. So I went in there or whatever. So then I was like dancing with my friend and I

couldn't find my phone. This was after my mom had texted me. My phone had like a bedazzled case, like somebody was going to see my phone. It was like pink bedazzled Claire's sparkles bright and so I'm like, okay, where's my phone. Now I'm really freaking out because I didn't snuck out. I just responded to I said, you're welcome in the group chat. I'm scared. So then I was like I was asking my dancer. I was like, my phone, my phone, my phone, I can't find it.

So literally all these girls, I felt like such sisterhood, very much cheated sisters. Literally all of us came together. We did like this and they had their phones with the lights and we went like all through the dance floor and like we didn't see it. So I was like freaking out. I was about to have a breakdown. And then the DJ was like, yo, we gotta pay phone at the d J booth. Pay phone at the DJ booth. I was like, oh, thank you Lord. I went and got my phone. I was like, okay, I

really need to leave. That was the Lord's saving me. I should just leave. And then I was like I want to stay. And then I stayed. And then the guy that I like came and I was like he did church. I'm not saying his freaking name. You know who you are. That was nice to your little system, but she was bad. I was just trying to hang

with shoot up. She was that. But anyway, so yeah, he came to the party or whatever, and then like I was like, oh my god, food up mooving it out of but anyway, Yeah, so then I went home and I didn't get caught or anything. But that was like my first time sneaking out fully sixteen is great. This is so yeah, that was my first time speaking out. You did get caught. I did not get caught. I mean, I'm telling now, but girl, don't drive me mom anyway. But yeah, so I got dropped in stuff and like

I was just I didn't know what was happening. You know. It's also so weird, Like I was watching a lot of interviews. I would watch like interviews like Beyonce being interviewed like Kobe, Like I would watch anything like just to see what these people that I looked up to what they were talking about, and like what they would say about the journey. And I'd be like, I always feel like they were not saying enough about the journey,

like where's the bad parts? You know, like where are the where are the bad Like how long did it take? What did you do? Did you get dropped right? Like all of these things I was looking for, like to to make it feel normal that it wasn't happening good for me. So that's why I try to be like more transparent about everything that happened, just because I was like is this okay? Like does this mean I'm still when or what what does this mean? So yeah, that's

kind of like what I was doing to feel the space. Yeah, and you lived still with your parents at the time. Yeah, yeah, I was sixteen. And then when I was seventeen, I graduated early and I moved to l A and I was staying with like kind of like godparents type, and then I got this opportunity to be on Broadway. So then I moved to New York by myself. And then I was like, oh, I'm definitely not. I have a roommates in the same year in the same year book

a Broadway show. That's so. Then I was in New York and all my family came to New York for Christmas. But for the most part, I was like there by myself seventeen and then I turned eighteen. I had my eighteenth birthday in New York. That's where were you staying in New York? I was staying they had like they had put me up in this like oh it's house. It was not giving, but you know, um respectfully be giving overworks and underpaid. I wasn't living for that. Yes,

I was like, isn't it labor of something? I don't know one to three, four, five, six, seven. It's almost like eight to nine shows a week, depending on what you want, okay. And then I was like, Okay, who's doing here? In makeup, They're like you. I was like, who's doing design you? Well, who's putting my MinC on you? I was like, okay, Literally I was over there. I was like, so it's the same scripts, same everything every day and we're doing this mostle time to day. Hey,

yay guy, how long were you on bay? I did that like almost a year. Yeah, you were training for but that's a that's a deep training, you know what I'm saying. And it was at the time it feels a way, but that's real training. It was. I was like, I'm sorry, y'all. Y'all deserve way more than this because this is a lot. Like it was the hardest job I think I've ever done, like being on top of everything.

I remember the first couple of shows was like if I didn't know where I was supposed to be placed, like the other girls that played my friends and stuff, they would look at me and I'm like, this is a live show. Oh my god. It was too much. I was so I was so green, And then by the end of it, I was like, anyway, I got right there. I'd be like happily because I've done it

so much. I go like a robot. You know that. Yeah, and then like at the beginning, I would always be nervous because I had to kiss this guy because we were in love, and I'd be like and then by the end, I was like, all right, anyway, let's get this over come on, Tom, give me literally, Like I mean, it was just crazy, like how how different my mindset was on it at the end versus at the beginning. But I don't know I would I think I would do it again, but it would have to be like

definitely bossed up. And then also like it's not it would be like a very much passionate project. It's like when you do Broadway, you know it is a labor up. Yeah you know what I mean, and because you really did to show up in your tools, your tool and but it's like you never if you can have no no, no, if you can if you have to my life to pick the project, then that's uh, that's the plus. If you can pick the project in the moment, that's the plus.

But but outside, but the work, I respected that how many we do okay, okay, how much right like um okay, But it was like it was the the best experience for me because of you know, of course the people that I was on the road with, they were like you know, from TV shows and from movies, and they were they were the real deal. I was this singer guy, you know what I mean, who was the only singer guy on the stage in this you know, kind of prominent role. And they're looking at me like what you got?

What you got out? I think it's so interesting because when I was doing it, I was like the girl from Disney. So they were like, what are you doing? That's like, I really don't know. Actually, doesn't you're doing something? You got to go to the trenches. I mean, it's it's it's all preparation for all of these things that we're involved in. And it goes back to you're so trying to wards performance. You're prepared for those moments. It showed everyone is not prepared for when that light come

on and when it's time to do your job. You understand, Okay, this is my spot, these are my these are my these are my notes, this is how I'm supposed to finish. And I'm gonna handle this like a professional, you know what I mean. You've got so many artists out here now and I won't even say now we've always had. We've always had some bullshit at times, but I think it's it's it's more. It's it's it's normalized now that

people aren't ready ready. And I think also because we are in this fast culture, so then sometimes people do pop off fast because of social media and trends, and then it's like, yeah, what do you do when you were just singing and doing something on your computer? You know? Well, I think it's I think it's like like if if we're saying, okay, this this record is jumping off, TikTok is going crazy, this major label comes in and say, hey, you're popping, We're gonna give you a deal, let's go,

and then you just throw them to the wolves. And that's the part that the development costs money, but I want to spend that, but that's the part that's missing. So it's like that's why we have I think more of it. You know, We've always had the bullshit for sure, but I think we have more of it because there are more avenues for people to get cracking and people will just throw money at it as opposed to throwing some type of tutelage and education and I'm just standing

at it it's a fun word to need it. We need it. And so um, let's get out of New York. Okay, back to back to BA. You're back to l with no roommate. I was blowing it. That was not a big Okay, that was not a big But I had all these you know, I had savings and stuff because I've been working since I was literally twelve. Yeah period. Um, so yes, I was back in l A auditioning and this was pre COVID when you would go into rooms

and like meet casting people and stuff. It just seems so so long ago when we would go into rooms. But I'll be driving like all over the place, Santa Monica, downtown, North Hollywood, auditioning, auditioning, auditioning, auditioning, auditioning, auditioning, auditioning. Oh d Like, at least I'm grateful that, like I did have opportunities an audition. Some people just want that, you know, just the fact that they even are getting a shot

to take It's like, oh my gosh, wow. But I think for me, like my pride was chacked because I had already expected it to go. I already thought I was at this level and go up from there. But it was like it doesn't matter what you did when you go into these rooms. They do not care your brand new. So I felt like I was constantly like just proving myself to people, like proving it, proving and

proving it. And at the same time with music, I'm independent now, so like I don't really know what I want to sing recording to now when you come back to l as. Yeah, but like very much independent, like whatever I want to spend my money on to do, you know, because when you're independent, it's on you, and then the people that want to rock with you, you you know, maybe get it on the back end or like just believe, you know. And I had plenty of all of those

different things. So like I would make music and then I was all to go into this music school. But that was just see I could feel my my family that I was in school, you know, because they were like when is she doing out there? And my parents would be like, she's in school, but um, I was

doing that too. That was that didn't lead too much, and like it was so crazy because every time it would get to the point where it looked like I would need to pivot and like do something else, something would happen literally every time I would get something or like a song would pop off, or like I would get a sponsorship like a promo, like a content piece to do something on social media. And my numbers were

not even giving like that. So it was just so they would come like something would always keep me going. I mean that it worked out, if that's what it was. If I was thinking if I was none none of that, I got thirty none steps. I got a question. Yes, some totally different. You mentioned it the school. Uh huh. What were your expectations of music school did you have? Did you walk into because you said something you were like,

it didn't really pan out. So did you have expectations when you when you signed up for music school like this is going to help me through get X yres it. No, I did not expect that. I I only wanted to go to the school to network and to possibly learn. I was thinking I was going to learn how to produce. I was like, okay, I can learn that there, Lauren. I was studying like music business, like entertainment law, like I was like, I want to learn what all of

this stuff means. Those were the things that I really knew I could get out of it. But what I thought was gonna pop me off was a job like acting role. So that's where I was like, whenever I get this role, I'm out of here. I don't even

care how long I was studying any of this. I'm gone because this is what is going to open the door for me, you know, because I think sometimes people it's a it's a weird space with um with the music business and music education, and I think a lot of people don't look at it as really a real resource into making it because so many people have done it without it. So it's I and I sit in a funny space because I didn't you, I didn't utilize

I didn't go to school for music either. But I do understand the value of it, and I think sometimes it's it's not really it's not really brought up at all when people talk about, Okay, this person went to Berkeley School of Music or this person you know, they went to the engineering Academy and these type of things. And I personally think it should be promoted a little more because I do think we need more people that you know, have some form of education in music business

and in music period. I think that as we look at a curriculum for music business. I don't think that that's been curated no properly. And I think that there are so many things, so many nuances and actual music business of us doing the music business that's not in a music business school, that at some point there's we're going to have to help curate that program so that when people come out of music school music business school, they're not starting over from the very beginning, because that's

normally what happens. Now if you have the gift, like if you go to Berkeley or one of those schools and you come out in here, or you know, you technically savvy, you know how to you know, you engineer, you know all these cool things like there's a there's a there's a good chance that you can be a dope session engineer, or catch a tour and go on the road, or or catch a cool engineering job for up and coming rapper or something like that. You know

what I'm saying. Like, but when it's just music business. The things that I've seen from music business school is that they it's a book thing for the more go go, you're awesome and all things. That's what you've told them. Okay, you told us without telling them if you flexed on them. Okay, since you were this high, you've been doing it at a high level. We're gonna get into your mind, your R and B mind, and be mind. Your top five? Why does everything sound like a bad beer commercial? This

is the mop. Your top five singers and singers and singers and singings and singers, top five and be sunk. Can give us a little bit the next My tough five aready your top five R and B singers male or female? Okay, well, I already hit. I already thought about this. They're all female, um in no particular order, but five of them. Brandy, Jasmine selevant, you're going to heavy, go ahead? And her Yeah, Barrier Alia Wow, Oh that's the toughness. Who dangerous sounds like they check ball man?

Whose monsters? Who want to go no one, no One? I feel like they all have different elements. Like Jasmine is like this raspy, soul, full type thing, and like Aaliyah is like this vibe you can't help but be like you. Her songs are magnetic, you know, and they stick in your head. Beyonce is the execution. It's going to be executed to perfection, you know, her is like artistry like all these instruments you know who that Brandy Yea,

the vocal behind you already knew. I feel like as I listened to your music and your EP, like your body of work, you cover all of that ground, You cover all of your inspirations in your music, because it was like you, you really were morphing into different moments, you know what I mean, which is tough to do, to be able to you know, cater your voice to the different sonics, into the different tempos, and like I didn't, I didn't lose anything from you from a tempo record

to a slow record. Did you write all of them? I don't feel like you should stay here and now get better here or you should like everything was like okay, because and then that comes with the execution when you talk about Beyoncet like you didn't. You didn't, you didn't lay off on any of those moments, on any of those tempos, like we gotta nail that. Let's do that again, because if it's not the run, then it's got to be the swag. And if it's not the swag, then

it's got to be the cadence. And if it's not like you were on all of that. Congratulations you're top five, Welcome, Welcome, R and B songs, Okay, um and no order, say my name, Disney's Child, thinking about you, Frank Ocean, Wow, when you touch me? Brandy, don't you do this today? Okay? Some spear fingers, you know that one? That's one of my favorite records of all time. Okay, um focused by her with the harps, It doesn't mean And then I said my own song, just my luck, Come on, shout

out yourself. Why shouldn't your song we want of your top five? I mean I realized that the theme here is do whatever you play? And damn right, how you went to that? Brandy? When you touch me? Oh my gosh's listen? Brand be saying one time at this R and B with an R and B night that I used to host every Wednesday, and Brandy singing, came in there, singing, and I saw dudes huddled up, Oh my gods, huddled up together, shoulder to shoulder in frenzy. It's like I

wasn't one of those guys. It was. I just wasn't women in this like an artists together. It was guys huddled together, strong, solid dudes that were had, there were they were, they were broken, they were emotional, Brandy had done that. Her vocal is serious. It is, it is. It's the backgrounds as well, like it's the detail. It's not she don't play, she don't. And it's like, what's crazy is you remember the song and you web were

the ad libs? Like, that's a whole another verse is the ad litle You've been trying to sing all the parts running out of breath. It's a whole thing. I want to sing your ad libs in the backgrounds at the same time, at the same time, well along with this lead line that Rodney's playing, What is the lead line? I want to do all of that. Okay, here we go. You're making an R and B voltron Okay, we're building.

We need the vocal performance, style, styling, and passion for the artist for this voltron Who are you getting the vocal from? Put your phone down? Put your phone down? Alright, alright, Google is not your friend. I was gonna say the vocal, I would say, Jasmine, I want Jasmine's vocal on this voltron Um. Vote you go on with that, Yes, Jasmine your vocal. I'm gonna say, I mean, I could say Brandy, of course, but but I love Jasmine. I love it. This is like, this is this is one of my

vul Drahn's. This is one of them. Okay, this one you're just building here, you're gonna build another one that it already did. The Brandy one is like it's on its own, leading the pack. And then this is the second in command performance style on stage. Beyonce m would pick that as well. Yeah, did you go to them to run two two? Get on my nerves. I have a thing where I only want to experience these things at the top tier, Like I would rather I want

to go to the concert. When she's like, hey, co going, I'm like hey, she's like, come to the concert. I'm like, okay, yeah, I'm on the way. Where's it that? Oh that's a little she didn't know what the show was that you're not really proud of to be huh, like like the rest of us, I'm saying, like, I just I just wanted to be experienced that way as I was in the audience experience in Beyonce. I want to be like I want to come and say don't We'll talk about

your membership after this. Um, Okay, styling of the artists. What you want put the trip? Who who put who put that ship on? Put that on? She did? She? I mean, the trends are still very much the trends. Absolutely, she definitely put that on. Absolutely, And I also feel like she was sexy. But it wasn't giving like, Okay, new mystery, huh, it's really we're all out here when aperio, Okay. It was more like how does she? What is that? What's under there? Like what is this? I'm captivated by

the unknown? You know. I just feel like that's something that is not as popular anymore, like you know what I'm saying, Especially like as women, you feel like, Okay, this is what everybody doing, this is what this is what I gotta do what we do? Like, well they care if I don't, you know. Well, so I liked that. For me, it was like, oh wow, she gets to like not have to do that. You just gotta decide what you want to be on and and not you

and stand on the right. Of course you do. But then you know, as a girl, as a young girl coming up, all you see is the certain things that are like it right there right. I just feel like she for me was like a breath of fresh air. I could wear that too and feel like that's something I would wear. I would want to do that, not feel like, Okay, I have to do this to keep up. You know, passion of the artists who you don't get

the heart from. Then, because Beyonce also has a passion as well, I'm going to say, Michael Jackson, mm hmm, oh you want to rehearse eight to ten hours a day. I don't want to play with it. Yeah, the passion was passionate. Yeah, you don't want to play with it. Yeah, I'm playing with it. Yeah, he didn't play car being polished. That's man, that's yeah, it's different. I love it different. That is different. That's a great vultura. That's a great vultura.

And then I also had to say dancing. But you guys didn't ask me that well, performance style. Oh okay, that is that is fact. Yeah, come over here, thank you. And I'm sad. None ain't nothing. I'm no, ain't nothing, right, don't make me regret? Oh yeah, in fact? Okay, oh yeah, okay, sorry, we got listen, we got we got we got something else for you. Lord what and don't go to your damn phone for it. Neither. You can't get this out your phone. I ain't singing no names. I have to guess.

I ain't saying no names there. Who's doing you gotta looking to the clouds when he's saying might have been me? Might have been there? I don't know what it was like singing no names like you saying no names? You say names? What is this? What happened? I might you need a breakdown. You listen his song first, though, you see you see what you see what he's doing? Huh? You might catch you by the four seasons playing the piano the lobby. You what I ain't saying no name?

Definitely master your second floor? Second, no names, get to it extra garlic like my steak oscar style. What is going on? So we have a portion of the show. Segment of the show. It's called I ain't saying no names. Will you tell us a story? Funny or fucked up? Are funny? Oh? I was over here trying to guess the song. I was like, no names, names And the only rule to this game. You can't say no names. We don't do no snitching here. You can't say nobody

name tell your story though, Um, come on, listen. Let me think, because me telling this story, I mean, I'm in the stories. So I'm like, what do I want to say on the interwebs to win? So I like it? I like it. I like, give me. You can't say it was me Mini and Mickey do that? Oh my gosh. And I told a good story already and didn't say no name. Let me think. M I'm scared. I'm also a little naive. People you got them, you got you got the stories, and now you got the stories. M

h yeah that's the one when it hits you. Yeah, oh mm hm oh yeah. Should I thank you management? I love that management. I love that Yeah. Yeah, oh no, I have to keep that in mind. Say no names. Okay, so before you saw this is Coco Jones, I ain't saying no names. Whoa um, okay, I'm going to talk about a first date that I here went on. So basically this okay, fine checked. So this was a recommendation

from a friend. My friend was like, I think you guys would really hit it off because the impression that I get from this guy is that you guys were really match. You know what I'm saying. You guys seen birds of a feather flock together type and I was like, okay, my friend had never recommended me do any first dates and nothing like that, so I was like, okay, cool,

I'm gonna see what's talking about. So the first kind of date was like all like kind of a group hangout type thing, like to get just get the vibe. And then like you know how, girls were like, are you gonna go the bathroom? So basically means like you want to go talk to it in the bathroom, and so it's like, yes, I do. Great, So we're go in the bathroom. And after I had met him, like I thought, he was like mad fine, like da da

da da da tall. You know, in l A it really be giving like you're either five eight or year six spot. Like it's rare for me because I'm tall. I'm always like year five ten. Okay, all right, I'm five ten anyway, so I was like he's actually tall, Like oh my god, he's cute, like funny da da da da da, Like I was a girl, I think you ate that. She was like okay, par so cool.

So after the group haying, he was like, yeah, let's hang out one on one and I was like yeah, for sure, so he like he was like, you want me to pick you up? Da da da da das and the carbos like whatever. I was like, you know, like you can pick me up whatever. Yeah, Okay's friends charming and like, you know, I had these impressions like he's like cool, like suave type, you know, like the like with a little side of like corny, which I like that, like I don't like, like yo what I'm like, Okay,

I can't read you. He's so scary, like I like a little fun because I'm like a little corny too, you know. So we go on this date or whatever, and um when he gets there to pick me up, I get in the car and there's a balloon ball Yes, there's a balloon, a happy birthday balloon. And it's not my birthday, and I don't think it's his, Like why would you want to hang out with me on your birthday? I just met you? This is crazy. So I'm like, oh, I'm like what is it? What's that? And he's like okay.

So he's like I wanted to do something a little different, you know, like and it was like hard to get a reservation. So I told him it was your birthday. So we got to like pretend it's your birthday, like is that okay? And I was like okay, Like I was, I was thinking this is different. I'm never gonna forget this. But then I was like, do you buy a balloon for every girl? Like it's a lot of balloons. I mean, I don't know how you get down, but like, is

this what you're doing? Every time? I was like is he doing this? Because like I'm in the industry and I like, like the raw raw, Like what's happening. I was like okay, But in my mind, I'm like, but I think he's being like nice and trying to be different. Okay. Cool. So, like we drive and we go to the wrong destination first, the old restaurant, and it wasn't even there anymore, so

that we had to go to the other one. And so it's kind of like a longer drive, and I'm like, let's play some of our favorite songs so that we could like not have to like sit here and talk all the time, Like we got a long drive. So he plays some of his music and I did not like any of it. Like that was also very concerning. I was like, what are these songs? Like I've never heard them and I don't like them at all. So I was like okay, and the balloons like bouncing around

the background, I'm like oh. I was like oh, I was like okay, next, so so literally like he gets he was like, I just have one more song, like I need to play it, like this is my favorite cover, and I was like, okay, a favorite cover, Like okay, so no names, it's this song, this cover and I can't even sing the song because the song would give it away. Well, no, it's a cover, okay. So I'm just gonna say a hypothetical song and pretend to be

him because I need to play this out. We're driving or whatever and he's singing his heart out and I just met him, so let's pretend it's uh revo uh. And so he's like zlight and it's not on tune like he's he's not giving it's like zat I don't wagon like he's singing, and I'm like all the cool points went out the window, Like I said, I like cool, I like cool, what the what? The song outside not not the main dish, like save that on the side

so I can dabble in. It's not not even family style honestly like kids, a kid's portion of corn, kids portion, like you can fit it in the small plate that the couple one. And I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait, this is not who I met the other day, Like, what's going on here? The balloon? I'm like, oh, the balloon.

I'm holding the balloon and I don't like the song and he's singing his heart out and then he like takes my hand and he's like, z this is I'm like so I'm like, I'm telling my hand is the mic and I'm like holding the balloon and I'm like okay, wait, wait wait, I'm just like what happened? Where did the cool points go? So then we pulled up to the restaurant. I didn't even get to play my songs, you know,

I didn't get to play anything. And he's still singing and the ballet is like are you So he's looking in the window and he's like dah and I'm like okay, and the guys that are you coming out like I don't know and he's like we just gotta finish this real quick. And he's like like literally, I don't know what was going on. I didn't know what was going on. So I'm like I'm getting nervous because I'm like, oh my gosh, like what did I sign up for? What? What? Where?

Who is this man? So anyway, the song finally ends like and I was like trying to like get get that over with. So I was like, I was like, come on, let's go. I was like the valets like waiting on us, like come on, and he's like okay, yeah. I was like come on please. So then we get out or whatever and he's like, well, is that too much? And I was like no, no, no, no, it's fine. But I'm like so I'm like carrying this balloon. I'm like walking past people like ah, you're Darren. So this

date was on Halloween, so just think about that. This was on Halloween. So I'm carrying this balloon and people are like Halloween Birthday, Like oh my gosh. They're like they're like, get Jerry Jerry. Jerry Jay comes out. He's like I do not see a lot of Halloween birthdays, but man, oh man, aren't we special hall And I'm like yes, yes, So it's so nice. And then the guys like it's I tell her all the time, like it's her birthday, like you know, she gotta live it up.

And I'm like, like, this is so not what I thought was gonna happen. Not what I thought was gonna happen. So literally like that's where we're like the balloon is settled because it was messing with the heat lamps and so I had to like I was like sit your as the balloon was like settled there, and like I'm talking to him and everything, like I would say, it would give like oh yeah, like your wifey. I was like, oh first, it was like it was like your cap

because there's no way he did. I was like, you don't even know me. I'd be like, oh, yeah, I've tried that that that food before. Like shrimp is really good. He'd be like, shrimp, he's good. You're so wifey, Like yes, I'd be like a protein. I mean, I don't know. I don't think that qualifies me. I haven't asked me like any core questions about myself, but shrimp he is good.

I guess like yeah. So like we're talking or whatever and the progresses or whatever, and I know I'm like not really feeling it if I'm just ready to go, Like you know when you really like somebody. You're like, oh, you know, there's a little lounge waking. It's kind of cute like whatever. But then I was like, yeah, I'm so so tired working, working, you know, man working, So I just need to go. I'm gonna rest, like I

need to rest. And he's like, yeah, no problem. He drops me off whatever whatever, and then um, he like walks me to the door, and I was like literally I was looking at him and I feel like I literally gave him telepathy. I was like, you are going to get embarrassed. I would really appreciate it if you just settled the score and leave. And then I felt like he was like understood, thank you so much for telling me I will head out, so anyway, he didn't. It gives me whatever, but I get into my house

or whatever. And then he texted me and he was like I just cannot get over how beautiful you looked. He was like, thank you so much for spending time with me. Sleep well, and um text me tomorrow. And then he was like good night me and more I was like damn. I was like, man, I said good night, and yeah, that was an interesting story. I don't know what. I don't know what that was. I really don't excited. Why, like what see and that's what that's what's not gonna

work for me. It's like, yes, for sure, yes this is all very much young because even the verbage that shrimp is nice your wife, like that's a very young I don't like they throw that out like that, you know what I'm saying to It was just like I felt like, I don't like to feel I feel I want to feel valued and like, oh you you are

treating me like a prize. You know, yes, I want to feel that, but I don't want to feel like you're you're you're looking at me up on this pedestal like wow, hope one day I can get up there, because then I'm like that means I'm looking down at you. Why am I on a date with you and I'm looking down at you? You know, I don't want to feel like that anyway. If that was a funny ish story, kind of cringe, let me use that. But I didn't count them out that. I didn't count the out. You

didn't count you gave him another day? Yeah, yeah, I actually did, like, oh, ship, but don't be over here buying balloons for the first day. That's not hot. It word. It did not work. No, no no, no, no, no, no one here, it did not work. I I liked him, but it wasn't giving that, so you liked him. I I don't know. I don't know that happy birthday balloon, you little corny fellas. Okay, it's but corn is memorable. Corn is memorable, rememberable doesn't Corn doesn't break down anyway.

I thought he was a good guy. That's why I gave him more of a chance because I was thinking about it and I was like, Okay, he definitely went all the way corn city with it. But the opposite of that is the too cool for school like I do this, like I say everything. Everything that I'm saying sounds rehearsed, Like I'm not nervous at all. You don't give me no type of butterflies, like whatever, you know. I don't want that. So I'm going to give the guy a chance. Yeah, yeah, you know what I like,

Did you get a chance? Yeah? Yeah, Because you just never know. You never know, you never know, you never know, never know. I've seen some odd couples wherever like, Okay, you don't look like it's her birthday. I know. I was like man, what y'all really got me? Carrying it balloon around? Literally, always remember it. I will never forget it. I'll never forget it. I'll never forget it. And I still like, I still think the guy has great qualities and all of those things. It's just giving. That's not

how it was gonna pan out. But if a guy was corny on the first date, I'm definitely gonna have another day with him because I'm like, you're nervous and you're trying. The effort is there. We'll take that. Yeah, come on, now the level of corn watch this and be like, you know, when I get my change. This is a little side right here, just enough to compliment the entree, just enough to compliment. Don't over don't be

overbearing with the core. Like half a cob, half a cop at best, a whole car right there with it, right there with it. Just a spoonful of sugar makes medicine go down. You know, you get it. Um Coco Jones, thank you, thank you. Um we we we think you're really dope. Thank you. We appreciate the light. Yeah, we appreciate your energy. Um pure in r G. Don't do that because they could be a whole group right now. Great, bringback Greg. That's what I did. I'm never gonna live.

You're still high up on the cool with us. Still you got it. I see so much um, so much dope shit in your future than you and I see it, um. I see it in the very simple space of you just being you. Thank you. You know what. I absolutely that you will never you will never have to compromise who you are and people are going to love it. They're already gravitating to it. And it's just gonna keep taking you higher and higher and higher. So from R

and B Money, Um, you have our support. You have anything you need from us that goes without saying thank you. I need a hit song with a duet. Let's get into that sounds simple, Yes, that's easy, that doesn't sound all Yeah, okay, great, that's done. So listen you just heard it first. There's gonna be some music. Yeah, we just poke some R and B money Koko Jones. Yeah, I done for Jones. You're saying to get a little chance, we're gonna talk about it. We're gonna talk about it.

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