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some formal information. Um. We can't promise you in between all of the madness because it'll just take a turn and you just never know where it's gonna go. We want to start off right here, Come on, knees, talk about it. First of all, man's a nice quatskay alright, I do legs. I don't skip leg day. That's that's what these shorts. These shorts are to promote, never skip leg day. You want to give them a quatch? No

you probably don't. You well, okay, you partationship. I think it's dope, man, because we also to tag onto that the verses like I feel like what you what you in spice do with versus it is I won't say as important as versus, but it's pretty. It's it's pretty.

There's a necessity. There's a necessity especially right now because as much as we all love the music, as we're watching hilarious, there's always some funny and it's hilarious bro's and and it gives you guys give up a place to go after for commenting right right, like because people want to kind of get their ship off still online and I and it's funny because if you watch the verses, it's all praise for the most part. Right you have a couple of niggas in there. You gotta segnorance in there.

But see, this is the problem of where we are as a society right now. It's like there are those of us, including myself Tony Baker, like, well will joke in the comments and other people be like, why you're disrespecting the moment while y'all it's like, first of all, we are here because we esteem these people period, Like let's just call it what it is. But we're comedians. We're not a comedian. I'll be in there saying exactly

like and I know black people are comedian. YEA. Our culture as a as a whole week we say funny ship, and we knew that the shoe was gonna come flying off with Patty. We knew everyone had a pie joke, you know what everybody had looking glad it's outfit old, she got the church glitter on the sequences popping. You know,

niggas is gonna say ship. We we talk about the Aunties who we love for sure, I mean for sure, And I think you and Spice give more of a safe place, a safer, safer place to you, just like you know, even though versus supposed to be fun, and sometimes it kind of gets a little serious, like you said in the comment sections of like Man, like these guys are comedians that you know what I mean, Like everybody got a joke in Depending on the chemistry of

the of the people that's in the verses, sometimes they too cool, and you know, it gets a little born or it gets a little monotonous because they're trying to outcool each other and that's not as entertaining, you know what I mean. So you gotta have a little life in there, and you know, not take yourself so seriously. So we met a Spice just we we right after verses. We turn it all the way up. The fact that y'all got that type of chemistry working with each other

without knowing each other before. This is the craziest thing. Yeah, you know what I mean, I still have never met a person. Get the funk out of here. No, stay, we never met a person though. I'm just a fan of his comedy. I didn't even know he's a football player before because I don't really follow football at that. But it was like a professional ball Yeah, yeah, what do you played form? He might have played for like the Falcons or somebody like that, but like now, he

was like alignment. Because it's crazy that when I saw him, when I saw him hitting the bag, he's like I was like this. I was like, no, he can fight. He got handed. I said, he can actually fight. That's not like he not, No, no no, he got hands. Yeah, taking this time he got here doing He's doing the whole thing. I said, work. I said, Spice album was funny, but he might suck you up like in real life, in actual life, actual life. And he got the weight and he's getting his way down, but he still got

them fat man bone. Yeah you know what I mean, come across your chin so you've never met Spice out, we've never met in person. Where is he at Detroit? Wow? Okay? Yeah, So I just was already a fan. And you know how it is with anything, whether it's uh like how you and Jamie. When Jamie first discovered you, he was like, this guy has something that's similar to my thing and we need to work together. Right. You can see that

somebody has your rhythm and has your your DNA. So that's when I saw him, and he was a fan of mine too. We just automatically clicked. So it was baby Face and Teddy Riley the first one. The first one because it was so many it was too many many bars in that ship. Yeah, I'm not only I screamed you food. I scream I heard Teddy Riley wanted to kick your baker. Yeah, he definitely, because Tony was commenting and roasting the funk out of and said it was like he issued a statement. He was like, man,

we do this thing. I'm a legend in this game, and but you know they squashed it. They squashed it the next day. Tony is a fan, so he's like, look, I'm just being a comedian, but I don't want to hurt one of my legends. But me and Spice, Yeah whatever, y'all can get these hands. It looks you know, I know Teddy got hands too because I know his seafood um. He on that come ship too, But I don't know. It's all on good fun. We ain't tripping on nobody fight and Beady Riley. I loved that. That is one

of my mentors. I just felt like that would be a great I just felt like that. I felt like it'd be a great sound bite. It wasn't. God takes here, Teddy Riley up, just memy to care and me and Jay got to do with disclaim the thoughts and muses tanks along. So yeah, man, like we get the pandemic week for people who don't know right like you said, you even just dropped the bars. Don't know you were kung fu master dog. I'm not a master Let me

just look listen. In the hood, in the hood, no high go any nigger with the shoes along, he'd be kicking trees. He just walking for real. So in the hood you come from backs. I don't care if you took two lessons, like, man, did you come on, he's on the bus. Yeah, I used to wear that school no way but the buttons to school, No just to school while living in Germany. What I was the I

was the Bruce Lee boy. He was over there in the whole other country that the big white cups and yeah, I don't were you walking were you walking through with the hands? And this? Are you fully committed? You fully committed? I mean I was always eight. You know, they knew me as they just like he did. That's just eight different, you know what I mean? What mind you? By the time, he was already to me for like break dancing, and

so they knew I was, I was saying. But when I got into my ship and I had the cuffs, I was, you know. And everybody said, but why at school? Why why not? For why you know what? His shirt off everywhere? Why not? Why not if you could do tell my wife that, hm, tell my wife that good luck? Is it becoming a thing like why are you taking your shirt? I'm gonna say not, you know what you should do and just going forward? Should the question pop up again? Why are you always taking your shirt off?

Just do this? Look at all this all that's got damn, look at all this. Look at yourself it's a shirt off money. It's a shirt off money. This is tit is on display money. Huh your single, right, you goddamn right. Yeah, he's gonna be too trying to ship. Man, be something, has some cool partners to be single with. If it all bad, I'm not gonna I can't get ticked out of my house. Jay, let's start there. You can in California.

You can't. It's different out here. Man, We're in California, California, man, that's why try to get the California. I know his wife. He's a good friend. Zina. You know what. You're married. Don't kick him out. R and B money. These views straight, same thing that anybody I was remember. I remember the time, Hey, I was getting ready to say, are shared? Okay, okay, I jumped the gun with me and my good brother. He's just shared. I'm not gonna pull the CPS APC

and throw throw it under the buck. We don't share these and then be living if you an't got room for me? So what is it all begin? Man? Yeah, give us, give us a big break. It's a big break for me. You should all begin in my living room. As a kid um in Germany in Germany, baby sitting my little sisters. They sleep and I'm left in the living room watching TV. I just got consumed by that ship.

And that's back when they had full on campaigns on TV saying don't let your kids watch so much TV, like it was the whole thing, the idiot box and maybe coming up with all these these phrases. But I was getting charged from that ship. I was. I was looking at TV a whole another way. It didn't mean the same thing as everyone else. It wasn't mindless time for me. I was looking at I was soaking all that up. I was looking I was listening to dialogue, I was listening to I was watching characters, I was

watching movement. So from that point to doing impressions and you know, being able to mimic people I saw on TV. I used to play music by ear, so that's when my ear came from. To listen to somebody piano as like a five girl. I hear, ship onto my little castio and you have to play the melodies. But yeah, that that translated into impressions. But the first big break was Deaf comedy Jam. That was the one that got me on television doing my thing. Yeah, it's by the Bug,

remember that. I remember that hosted by Jamie Foxx. I did the season. It's called the All Star season. It was the last season. It was in the original Theater in New York and it was all Stars, so everybody hosted one. This is after Martin left, you know, a couple of seasons, after they had tried Joe Torre, Ricky

Smile not Ricky Ricky Harris um. Remember they were rotating host I think that Delve Gibbons maybe, and that last season they said let's bring everybody back, so Steve Harvey, Chris Rod, Dave Chappelle, everybody was on their last Tiefer even hosted the episode and the episode that Jamie hosted, I was on it. So that was my crazy. That was my introduction. Yeah, now that that's super dope, man.

So from from there though, when you when you get to a place like the legendary death comedy jam right, yeah, scared shitless, Like what like what are the thoughts though before you going? Because people don't understand comedy in that in that aspect, right, and you were doing you weren't doing traditional comedy like he was dancing and ship and you know what I'm saying it was mixed in. I've always been a nonconformist. I never did what anyone else did.

Like when people was getting the hood, was getting tattoos and earrings and smoking blunts and doing all that. Ship. I just never wanted to do what everyone else did. It made me different. For a while. I was the outcast. I didn't get invited to every house party or whatever. Just said, you had on the karate. What do you that? You know? Whatever? Not every day. I mean when you left Germany, you left, you left karate outfit in Germany. Uh, you wanted an America too? No, I didn't do that.

I got back to the US. I was in Favane, North Carolina. Oh black school. Oh yeah, I mean it was niggas in Germany too. But the volume, yea, they would have jumped you just for having the outfit. Well let's just jump the karate. See what he got. Yeah, let's see what lee Because they all had guns. That's the other thing. Everybody had guns. When we see a nigga with that on, it's kind of like, can I beat him? Yes, it's the dog the black community, it's

the endless ship. We like danger. Just something about us. We like we like excitement. Is that we like danger? Or now we like it? We like it? You know some wild niggas. I know some wild niggas. We know some wild But is it is it bigger than us liking it? Is it more so of it? The aggression and the thirst for that thing? Is it innate in us as a demographic? Are we from from a soldier standpoint? From a tribal standpoint? Are we? Is that more naturally

our element? Like? Think about it, Like when something's going down, we run to it. We're like, what's happening, especially when we're in that element. Let's do when we're in it. I had a conversation with somebody where I was telling I was like, I was maybe maybe eleven twelve, and we would hear gunshots. We would be trying to find

out word so we could go back and have all that. Man, I said, Man, it was crazy, like dumbash in the world as a grown man, and that I think of now, right, But when I'm in that element, I'm eleven twelve years old and that's just what we were. Damn their baby kids. Pretty much we gravitated towards it the most ridiculous. It ever, like I've been more scared from lesser things than that thing.

You know what I mean. Like if I feel like somebody about to catch your ass woman, and I'm like, oh, I don't want to do this today, you know what I mean. I get nervous in that moment. But I've had to do pull a shotgun on me. And I just looked at this. I like, if you're gonna do it, you're gonna do it right. And I wasn't scared. So I don't know what that thing is. I guess the more heightened the the circumstance, it is innate for us

to to rise to the occasion. So and then the element that, like you said that we are raised in a lot of it. It just is what it is. Like you look out the windows, see who's doing it. You get back to watching cartoons. That's it. It ain't we gotta move, you know what I'm saying. Just don't go up, Just don't go through. It's wild up there right now, you know what I'm saying. Um, So you're scared a lot of So you're scared shitless at and

you're done stand up. So you do you understand the but imagine but see you've done stand up in a different way, Like you're you're you're already successful in one thing and you're not trying out another skill set. Right, Imagine stand up is your only thing. You're fresh out of school and you're now in a in a theater where there's no like, no one's walking around with security guards.

Everyone's just kind of floating around. But it's every legend that you've ever fucking admired, right, chilling on the second level in the balcony, chilling behind the control booth on the first floor, chilling backstage by the makeup artist. There's Jay Anthony Brown, There's Jamie Fox, There's Cedric the entertainer. There's Staying Laton, There's Russell Simmons. There's all these people

that can change your life, nigga. And I'm just like anybody at that point, had you already kind of did your rounds a little bit because how are how are guys getting on death comedy? Bob Sumner, Bob Summer is the guy I said that in every every interview. Bob Summer is the talent scout. Who I mean, he was more than a talent scout. He was like the glue. He should have been a producer. I don't know if he was or not, but he was Russell and stands right handed. And he flew to every club, every club

that wasn't white, and they just trusted his word. If he said you, he brought you, Bill Bellamy, Chris Tucker Burned, he brought everyone to the table, like you can't fund on his track record of going to find that talent. And of course people had, you know, their mixed reviews about him as a personality back then. But I understand it. You're the gatekeeper to the biggest stand up comedy show in the game. You're gonna be a little sauce that stuff.

It's all the time when whenever you a gatekeeper of anything, the nigger that lets you in the club has that ship. He got it on him and should a little. We just want to have a good time, like why you, why are you? You know what I'm saying, And don't touch me. Don't your mind too, like just don't touch me, like we got all the conversation, but the niggers always

want to do this. Yeah, can everybody just get back a little bit because it's getting a little You're not the fire Marshal and when I get in, it's twelve people. Because you want to make a lot of crazy outside brolet come on stop. But that gatekeeper dog, it's that's a different type of responsibility. It's a different type. So I get it. I get it. And he was getting you know, people trying to bribe him. And when he

comes to city, they got hose for him. It's all kind of ship man that he has to this ald kind of ship that he has to manage. But he's the guy. He's the guy that got everybody on that ship on that joint. I mean, I'm sure there's some cases that maybe they already knew somebody. You're walking into a building. Yeah, nineties, just the golden era. This is

all of those things. All you see def jam artists, you see Freddy Fox and you see fat Freddie just chilling like it's a different it's a different time, and it's it's the moment can change your life. So I'm scared shitless and I'm you know, I go the night before to watch some of the other tapings, and then that night in my room, I didn't sleep. I'm in front of the window overlooking New York City with a fucking uh I don't know what the toothbrush or something

in my hand going over my set. I'm like Bernie mcinnum, leave out the car. Then I'm doing my Bernie mac ship ship. Don't do cartwheel, Oh I'm gonna do that. I hate these names with a good times dance, the good times po nigger I was. I was going over the place, make sure the plays was there. But and and this was my first lesson in don't um be flexible, don't come out with a plan. And when the plan goes awrye you don't know what to do because like

most young comedians, I'm trying to rely on music. My big opener has to be to this song, Kick Kapre, can you play this song? Come out? He plays the wrong goddamn song. So I'm on live television saying, kid, can you play the other song I told you to play? And we're waiting a whole seven seconds and this is like, it's also a new kid telling Kick, So it looks like you don't It don't look like him at all.

But but in in retrospect, it was me. It don't matter what this nigga play, I'm supposed to get out there and get into it right, but I picked it up, you know, the I found my groove and they was like, oh he's creative, he's oh the good times playing. So I was able to recover, but it was like never again, now I'm coming out all right, Oh that ain't work. Like I say, oh I did that one time. Where was you at? I was probably the worst place to do that. I was in uh Inglewood at the Savoy

Chris Spencer's thing. Yeah yeah, yeah, and you didn't You've already sold out the Savoy music right, So plenty of times like like like like people out on the street, floods on the street, right, But that's but that's but that was also the problem for me in that world. No, the problem for me in that venue is as soon as I walked on stage, it was like it was

like when you're gonna sing ship that. I was like, I was like this hold on two mortels indeed saying something they take off your shirt, and I was like, I hate black people. I don't want to perform with people. They won't let me be great. Just don't care what the box hold on you the backflip guy. So the intro was a little off. I was like, man, I don't like the intro. I don't like your response. We're

gonna do this again. I'm gonna intro myself and I tried to do to reintroduce myself, and I came saying it was like alright, okay, al right. And my first joke was aggressive and was one girls in the front like, come on, tank, that don't do that. I like, right, she's talking to you, she's talking to me, you know what I'm saying. And so, yeah, I don't want to do too much negative crowd work in Inglewood. I was like, cause I don't know, get to your car. I don't know.

I gotta get to my car. I don't want to start getting into the league. And you know what I'm saying, the bad outfit. I don't want to start doing doing comedy for free. I can't afford security, you know what I'm saying. So I'm just out of here. So so I didn't I didn't bomb. I just didn't do that.

Good listen, you know what I've been there. This is when I knew he loved comedy though, because me and him talk, right, we talked after We do that with everything with music, whatever we own, movie ship and acting, whatever. And I don't go to all the comedy stuff, right because he sometimes I won't even know he just him me. I just want to I just went up and such and such. I'm like, not even heard that city before?

How did you get there? Right? But I knew he was going up with as a boy, and I was like, I gotta talk to him after this one, right because I want to see you know what the vibe was for him? And I could tell in his voice he was like, fuck, ship didn't go the way I wanted it to go. And I said, so what you gonna do?

I'm going back somewhere else tomorrow. He loved it. Yeah, I love it because someone who did like because you know, I looked at it like in his position of you've established yourself in his in his music state, I mean in music space. And like you said, as soon as they introduce your name at this point, because you gott hit records and people are fans of you, they're screaming because they came to see you. Now you're going to do something where they probably came to see somebody else

and you're just trying to learn. But then they still have the you are such and such to us in certain in certain places. So when he was just like, oh no, no, I'm going back up, it's an ego check for sure. Yeah. Yeah, I haven't had that happened to me since for a Valley State homecoming in nine in two thousand about your your first freaking yeah, yeah,

that's the last time that happened to me. And I was standing up there like this, I really am started at the beginning, I'm really, I'm really a baby, and I said, this is awesome. Let's see, He's the great thing about that is I don't know how great it is. It just depends on how you built as a comedian. You're going to have those shows. Comedy is not like I mean, even musicians have this too, but comedy is

just you're gonna face whatever they're feeling that day. And I've had hundreds of those kind of shows and the only thing you could do it leaves you with that blood in your mouth if you really about it, you said the next crowd next stage, I hit, yeah, I have to get it back. Yeah yeah. You in comedy, you only feel as esteemed as that last show you did.

So it's gonna be either low or very high. Is this something that would be considered to be a hit record in comedy, right, Like that's something that because you because that's the other thing you guys have to continue to switch up, it would probably haven it would have to be no, no, they don't. That's what I'm saying. Well, what was that was that? This is that like, here's what's crazy like and I want and I want to

get back to let you answer that question. You know, being on the circuit for you know, almost two years now, a short time that I've been on it is like listen to the guys talk about how the bits that they're doing they've been doing for like five seven, eight years, And that was strange to me because we do a new song every day and so I'm like, so you got you're not you're not You're not writing nothing the night before and now I've been trying to perfect this

for five years that same fifteen minutes, let's see, that was strange to me. Like, I'm gonna let you, I'm gonna let you elaborate all of it because how I approach comedy is how I approach music. I'm thinking of it in terms of a project. So I'm I'm bill material to build into a project to record it, get it to the people, and then get to the next

artistic piece. And I'm looking to do that in a very short time, versus listening to other comedians who've been on a certain way long than me talk about how they've been working on the same bits for five, six, seven years, and I don't know what's normal. So I'm just kind of in the space where I'm just creating my own normal or whatever works for me, Like, how do you speak to that in terms of how you build your content? And then going back to what is

a hit record in comedy? So similar to you, because I come from music first and dance. We're always looking to create a new movie move So when I started, I was you. I would go to my open mic spot. And this was in Charlotte, So open mic ain't like in l A. It's one club at this time. It's the hottest night in the town. It's Charlotte, so all the hornets are there, all you know, pre panthers, it's

littlets dressed up. This is nine four, ninety five, ninety six, ninety seven, right, it's the night like Anthony Mason be up in that joint, like just different stars and then all the stars from death gam is coming through there. So that's the open mic you get to go on before earthquake, more centric or you know what I mean. And there was no look at my notes while I'm doing No, No, you have to perform your ship, so

I would do. I was conscious of the fact that I'm always back on this same stage as often as I can be. I want to have a new five to seven every time. That was my process, always having new ship every notthing. You pull out something you know your go to ship. But you I feel like when you've got people that's doing the same joke for five

to eight years, that's to me, that's lazy. Because I came back to stand up five years ago and the standard special that I'm about to drop is the third hour in that five years, right, I was I'm refining, I'm recycling, you know, just make it fine tuning. Um. And again I'm not saying I'm the best comedian. I'm just saying what works for me. What I'm saying. UM,

But no, I understand what you're saying. Like, I think you do have to dig and if you have something that's that you know it was gold, you you should work on it. I don't think it takes five years, but that's me. I don't think it does either. But we're also come from a space where this is what I also be well, not even constantly being creative. The comfort level of being creative in front of people mhm is different for us coming from being performers before they

were comedians. So I'm okay with being creative on stage, with writing something in my car or watching two guys go before me and said, oh, I need to grab some of that right there, and then going on stage and just getting right to it because because I'm not shaken by the proud the moment, I'm not. I'm not shaken by that and growing in the space, I'm not shaken. If they don't laugh at that one, unless you let's well, my bad LEO is a different cold blood, no unity.

And I went up there. I went up there with the worst outfit to go up there in. It was like a floral pajamas, that kind of thing, you know what I'm saying. It wasn't at the time, and I can't when was that. But first of all, first of all, okay, it was. It was a nice albums. Second of all, you're gonna be able to all. Here's here's what happened though. After I finished going and saying, I cannot think of

this guy's name a comedian, he's super dope. Uh. He came on after me and his first seven minutes or about me and my outfit, and I was sitting there. So you didn't leave either, No, I stayed to endure. I had to take it, and I laughed. His first seven minutes were amazing about you, about me, he was like, but he remember a little. He was like, He's like, it's like Christmas is gonna call me down here to to to to to do comedy in INGLESA. I'm not

coming all the way down. There's no way I'm coming down. The Queenland needs you said, you know what, I'll come down Inglewood, but I need a few things. I got a few. This is don't way I come. Don't only way I come down to Inglewood is if you get Tank on stage and the two pieces of Jama said doing coming like Nigga for seven minutes. I was like, the giggles, it's expensive, don't the Christian Loubaton baby faces behind me. He said that took courage. Wait baby Face

was there. You didn't tell me that. Why was baby Face? It was something it was somebody's birthday or something that he knew. So he was there. A few other people were there and they were like, they're like, okay you wow. Breathe was there. She went up, She went up and did comment, She did a set herself, was fire watching her. She killed it. But I came back and said she was like, tap your knee, give me a knee. That's

like take your time in jerky. And that's what low of of comedy, because whatever happens on that stage, you have to use it. Yeah, if you're the host, if you're next, all right, I've been. I've been to seven minute nigger. Well I had to sit back and just eat that and niggas coming on after me and just roasting my bomb. And then I've been you know, like you ain't had to do the thing like that. I watched who was that? What's my guy? Actually? Larry Donna

Rowlins that problem. So I watched Donna, so hist him. I bomb the guy that comes after me, No, non tell that the guy that comes after me. I didn't bomb. I just didn't do well. Bomb bro your mom. I promised it wasn't a bomb because the guy after me bombed. I'm pretty sure Christ mean, no, he didn't take your problem. The guy after me bombed like it was bad. This is the same name. Okay, guy after me, the guy

after him as the guy who came and gave me. Wait, I said, the whole night, what you mean, it's what it was? What's what it was? When you when you're going home and you're get in your car right after the bomb, you got too much time to think about the bomb and so so and so and so Danielle had to go after I cannot think of it now. He's a monster. How you go with this guy? And Danielle kind of like bombed And I was like, but

he didn't she been that on here? Now when he sees he was drinking, he had been drinking, he don't know. But then he came to me after the after the show and was like, yeah, that's how this should go. Sometimes. You know what I'm saying, Like, you gotta stay. I like what you're doing too. I see what you're doing. You know what I'm saying. You gotta stay on this ship, nigga. And then you gotta the nigga was just giving me

like fifteen minutes full of bars. You know what I'm saying, you need to and if you need my help, nigga, you can get me. Nigga. I know what I know. The ship you need, nig you you got some ship. But I know she like and I was just taking sessions and Lessen's from the niggers. That's why I stayed so I could get the information. I wouldn't got be on the four or five, right, you know you shot two times in the air as I was pulling off, y'all real quick, just real quick the club, real quick,

like you know, take you at the club man. But seeing Danielle, but seeing him in a space where and let me not say he kind of bombs. He was literally just up there doing him and didn't give a fuck, right like, he didn't give a fuck, Like he ran one joke for like eight minutes. I've definitely sing just beneath Me night. He just didn't. And I just that's that's kind of what he was on. So to get bars from him like that, and then I can't when I remember my guy and tell you who he was,

to get bars from him, and and even breeze. He was supportive. She's like this, she's gonna be gonna be all right, don't be all right what you're doing, you know what I'm saying. Like that was the first moment of you know, kind of tasting that defeat and completely understanding this is gonna be This is gonna be a long row. This's gonna be a long process to getting to the point to where not even you're just welcome, more than welcome space, but that you're respected in the space,

you know what I'm saying. And so I said, well, ship, let's get it. Yeah, let's work. It's all work what I'm saying. So ain't There's another question I have? How does it feel to be like the resident light skin sub in the movies? How is it that is like the quan like like how like when what have you done? What have you done to become? You know what it is. I'm not a threat to anybody. Okay, so they know that I could play the funny the you know what

I mean, because I'm not. I'm not that guy that's like at the club trying to be the light skin hard nigger. You know what I'm saying. Um, I'm just I'm not ever had corn rolls. No, It's always funny to see the extra had dreads, but dread is difficult with the corn rolls. It's like I've never been Tyler Ferry corn rolls man. I hope you never had a Doults. I've never had the latest front rolls. More. That's your Morrow Moore package with the Mesh hero. You asked me

something about what islam? Oh yeah, ship we jumped yeah, um, in in stand up or comedy in general general, think like, what's equivalent to that? I think that's something you can just like the movie, get put on and be because if you become a movie star, yeah, now you're going to a comedy club or you have a big standard. Yeah. To me, that's that's the equivalent of that. Um. And then you know, you know immediately how you've affected the world when you're go on towards m hmm. Yeah, you

know exactly when they're showing up. Yeah, you're like, okay, I made a I made a dent in this thing. I get yeah, okay, so definitely definitely movie. So you're being the lights resident thug, Like, how is that for you? Is that? That's like I don't even think about it. It's not until you said it that I'm like, I do play a lot of funny thugs those different ship too, but those are yeah, those are something sticks when you

do those characters. Because the interesting thing with all of those characters, yes, the the one thing that connects him is that, yes, the light skin thug right who who's just overly thubbed out goofy right, But they're not the same person like Ray Raid and the Kwan and Lester are not the same person people, which is so interesting to me because it's based around the same thing. And that's that's that's a trip to me what people are.

Those characters are all from different places. But I think, and this is a blessing, is I have a relatability that thugs funk with. When the people in the street see you and they and they say, Nigga, that ship you're doing, that ship had me and my niggas rolling. When the niggas is in your in your comedy wave, the niggas fun with you. And again I thank God for this because I love my people. To be loved by the masses is great, but your people are gonna

ride with you the whole way. They're just gonna ride with you. And so the characters have that through line. It's think about Ray Ray that they're just like, yo, this nigga is just we know he ain't a real gangster, but it's something about him that's like a nigger. I know about to say, because even as as as as as crazy as you go with the character, there is

still somebody like that, mother who you are. We have seen the thug they get flinched and the yeah we said it absolutely, but yeah, it's a blessing to have that that connectivity with the streets. So what is your build as a comedian? Like? What is your like as you scroll through um the teachings and the things that you've um, the pieces that you've snatched from everywhere to build you? What do you radiance? What are the ingredients? What are the the Eddie Murphy, Martin Lawrence, All Things

Wins and Living Color and Robert Townsend, Wow, George Carlin. Um. Like I said, All Things Wins includes Jim Carey for sure, and that so is that we like the whole physical comedy him and Martin, Him and Martin. My my wit, the nigga wit that I call it is Eddie. Eddie was the first guy that was nigga in the time when niggas most he said, because they knew Brooke was gonna get fucked that night. M hmm. He said that. He said, they was nervous about me taking Brooks Shields

to the awards. They was cool with Mike doing it, but when I was gonna do it, they knew Brooke was gonna get So that's where I got my my nigga funny Eddie. That's that's the beginning of it. And then of course it's Bernie MC. There's Robin Harris, there's you know, I study goats. Chris Rock is one of my favorites when I'm on stage. I used the whole stage because of Chris Rock. Hands and um, where's your Who's your favorite stand up or comedian? Specifically my favorite

of all times Eddie? Like of all time, it's it's Eddie. It's my favorite of all time. Anyone have a better stand up than that? And you open this is your opinion? I don't know. I mean because to me, no one, no one but has two specials and he's launched into forever start on. That's he's the goat. Yeah, it's hard to it's hard to talk against that. You just gotta leave that where it is. They don't have a bad one. Like everybody got a questionable You gotta leave those there,

leave Eddie there, and they talk about everybody else. He has two classics, classics, right, the guys that have done more than him. You've done so many that you have time to have a bad one. You have the volume to have a bad one. Which I don't knock that either. There's output in that. But this, man, some of the most classic movies is Eddie. We're not even talking about the standard speciallygraphy hours to America Oscar worthy material, Oscar worthy.

The clumps went into Oscar worthy? What was my other one? Uh? Listen, come on, man, he is the goat. He is the goat. There's no Oscar for comedy though, right there needs to be somebody. I think they're gonna create it, and they and they need to retro actively give Eddie Murphy ten ten of them, you know, and let all niggas out that got weed charges since it's legal, not that's coming. That's that's the two active things I need to have.

But give Eddie his flowers and his motherfucking awards because he's better than all of them, man, all the ones that they try to well, he's the easy easy. He's the prototype for everything that I think every comedian is hope. Everyone damn come after him has tried to do it. The only person to push that line, I think a bit further Jamie fox Yeah, well he's another, He's another one of those creatures. Jamie is an alien genius. Um, he's one of my favorites, one of my favorites, but

again he's my number two. Come from it, right, he's from that and what he's in a class by himself because Jamie has been able to do and he's the only one that has been able to do what even Eddie wanted to do, and that is be a successful musician, artist, at the top of every food chain. He has an award he has, he has Oscar, Oscar, Grammy, Tony whatever wouldn't be Ammy is Emmy, Oscar, Grammy and a bunch

of other stuff. Yeah. That And there's three people that I say are the best storytellers, um, that I've ever heard. Two I've been around, um Bill Cosby, Jamie Foxx and Charlie Murphy. Storytelling impeccable Charlie Murphy. And I didn't know Tarlie, think me Charlie Murphy. But watching him tell those stories on the ship, hell shall that was that was history. Bro. Well, I I'm here to tell you as a as a friend,

Charlie Murphy, that's just what he does. I've heard so many stories that will never see the light of day because it just show this motherfucking man that switch. You know him, but to think is bad. It just snick ahead of shower pipe underneath this he his hose with it. What he had to sell a pipe on his jagget and sucked his hose with it. Come, my dick, don't work. But I love him, you know what I'm saying? No, why just and and to that, like a guy like

Charlie Murphy, there could never be another one of him. Well, but I'm about to speak on like a guy like Charlie Murphy, a guy like um Um Bernie mack Um, guys like that who have funny ship about him already right right, right, right right, You're already funny without doing comedy like you could just fun just funny guys. They just look as soon as you look at Don Rob like man. The reason why I said it couldn't be another Charlie though, is because he had the cheat code.

Brother was the most famous, funniest on the planet, right, and he got to just be a fly on the wall and experienced all the things that Eddie kind of couldn't because he's the start. But he wasn't even just the homie. This is my brother, my brother. Yeah, I got access. Yeah, I was Brooks too on everything, you know what I'm saying. So it's like for him it

was different. That's why. That's why when they did the Chappelle thing, it just it was so genius because it was his access, yeah, like and the beauty and it is that Charlie was his own thing. He was right, he wasn't. But he's nothing like Eddie. Right, there's nothing

like each other, you know what I'm saying. And that's what I also respect about the ways family them niggas is all in terms of Collis Collis Comedics Family of all time, the same way how Rizza had every one of the Woods thing with their own label deep he diversified it. I watched when I watched Marlon Winds in this in the scary was the scary movie when when he was in the bed by himself and he acted

out the ghosts raping him. Oh that I screamed when I saw school, I screamed for about an hour time. When you went to see that, you got it, I was like, what is wrong with this? In the same movie, heu a teddy bear like he was full on sweating it's And then you got Damnon who was in cup made up had funny parts in color colors like Who's also one of the legendary like one of my Keenan Keenan Ivory wins. He is literally saving your family. Looks

like right, he's nepotism done the right way. What him and Joe Jackson at this point, I mean, I'm gonna give it to Kean. I'm gonna get and I'm gonna say why. I'm gonna say, I'm gonna give it to Keenan because Keenan was the person who could who could create the opportunities right, like Joe Jackson created the stars right. But he wasn't. He wasn't Berry Gordy though, you know what I'm saying. So Kenny Keenan Ivery Wains is Joe

Jackson and Berry Gordy all in one. Yeah, because the way they all operate, Like whoever has a network TV show, you're gonna see eight wins, period music, whatever, Uh, rotten standing guests. Nobody's done it like them nobody If no, you watching that and sees that there's a blueprint and it's his brain child, it's from him a thousand percent. That's that's incredible. And the fact that like I was, I think I was watching it randomly, was it raw or delirious that he wrote off raw him and um,

it's another it's Robert Towns and Robert Townsend. Um they co wrote the sketch in the beginning. But I mean being around Eddie at that time, you know we tag

each other joke. I'm sure that they had some you know, some more input in name, but to see their names on that was like on raw raw, Yeah, this is and then not to mention Hollywood Shuffle, like that's Robert Towns was in his bag and sketch show Man where John Witherspoon came from, and a whole lot of other David Allen Greer I think was on in a couple of Monster Monster Monster. Yeah, we've been blessed man we've

been blessed. We were blessed because comedy or in terms of the people I think who are getting on in a comedic space today, it's different. It's different. That's actually a segue into me wanting to know your thoughts on insta comedy. I just I just had a panel discussion today with about insta comedy, not insta comedy, but with DC Young Fly. He and I want the same panel And I always say it like this, Um, I don't care what the platform or the era. There's good niggas

and there's garbage niggas, right, fair enough. So when it comes to the insta social media and people like, ah, that ain't real, that sh it. Ain't they cheating? It's too simple. It's too they're not really doing uh, they put in the time in the work. If that was the mentality that was that prevailed, prevailed in the seventies, we wouldn't have hip hop because all them bands, all them seventies bands, that was music theory part of it,

and part of it wasn't their mentality though. No, But what I'm saying, if if, if it would have succeeded and they were able to shut down these niggas that's taken out records and saying word yeah it's hippity hop. They cheat it. We learned the instruments. How are you gonna take my vinyl and you're gonna say some bullshit over you know what I mean. It was a lot of old g that was mad. They were mad. But what I'm saying is I'm not gonna be that nigga.

Now that's overlooking the next wave of hip whatever it is, whatever this social media ship is. Get involved. Do you think you did that? You did get involved? Yeah, that's my mentality. It's like, I'm just gonna I'm gona get involved. But for me, when I when I got into comedy during the insta comedy era, I didn't I didn't want to be I didn't want to be instat funny. I wanted to be able to go into a bar with seven people and make them laugh, because that's that's how

the comedians that I appreciate got it. And so I felt like there was there was a piece of that foundation that I wanted to connect to, a step that I didn't want to skip, just personally, just personally, you know what I mean. I wanted to connect to that for sure, because I just thought because that's because that's that's that's how greatness was defined to me, because those are the people that I grew up under. And I'm

not mad at the inst to funny. I get it, and you're smart for taking adapting and running with it. But here's the thing, as with music, right, the greatest ones in hip hop come from music. Nah's dad was a jazz musician. Rock him dad jazz musician, um Dr Dreide. He plays like the ones that still want to go learn the foundation of musical perfecting, the crack really perfecting. They're the ones that's going to be around for a long time and have been around for decades. So you

are cut from that claude. I am cut from that claude, Like I'm not being We're not insta funny already. We are already niggas that got the tools to get on stage and perform. We know how to move a crowd, right, We're just using Instagram as an extra platform add to our arsenal. It's not all we have, you know what I mean. But what I say about that is get involved, Like get involved, don't shun it. Don't look at these niggas that you think is not funny and they're on

Instagram doing comedy. Some of them niggas is hilarious. It's up to them to want to take it. For me as a consumer, are a fan even um, there are certain pages that I just go to. I want to see what the right what the new post of this guy from a spice Adam to a highihday this to a d C comedian though you know what I mean?

Or like when be Sa moaning and was doing all of that, they skits and you know what I'm saying, like the Desy Banks you having me hollering, Yeah, like there's something to that and it's very important for us, you know what I mean, Like I because and and maybe I'm not a comedian so I wouldn't know, So I ask you someone being able to get something off like that in a minute seems harder to me because it's not like they can really drag the joke out

and it's no you know, with the punchline type of thing. It's more so like you can't edit. But making something funny in a minute it's hard though. No it's not because I think, but like this, I feel like it's better. It's you can. You can. It's like it's like it's like doing theater versus doing a TV show. Okay, you can edit ed you on theater when you're doing theater. Get off. You can't. You can't, you can't. Want and done. You got your you got your lines right now. There

is no break character, there is no do over. You get to curate that one minute that you're creating on Instagram. You get I don't like that one Let me get to this faster out there it is you get to show people. Is that it? That? Ain't it what I need to do? Okay? There's the editing process to getting a good take for Instagram versus getting on that stage at the laugh Factory for an Inglewood. Yeah. And that's really it always boils down to you gotta know how to do it all, you know what I mean. You

can't just be a sprinter. You gotta get some marathon in your loan. You know. I can get on stage for an hour twenty and be comfortable in that. I'm endured for that hour. I know what that's like. I've done back to back hours in in the same night. Right. Um, I can get on and do a fifteen second reel on I g get up, do a dance move or character, or me and Spice can get on the improv for a whole hour and a half, whatever it is. I'm comfortable because I've taken the time to play in all

of those. You build your foundation in the joint. If you limited to if you limited to this a minute or fifteen seconds, and you talk about you want to be a star and you want to expand, and you ain't got none of the other training up under. You don't pull up on leg day and try to squat that goddamn three fifty or whatever is. Don't you god damn get on stage somewhere. You're gonna headline an hour from from from this you just just saw you there before. Okay, okay,

But I respect the nigga. Is that respected des I've done shows with him. He's funny, but he's learning. He's admittedly learning, DC young fly, that nigga got it, but he's humble, he's still always studying and learning. I respect him, young niggas that says, Let's say, I I know the platform that came up on allowed me to get it out faster, uh and sooner, But I gotta do the work. I gotta I respect these old g s that I don't want to, you know, cheapen the arena of Common.

And I thought it was really cool with Martin was doing what he was doing with the youngs. I mean, I guess it was like he was hosting, but he had like the simone and a couple of other like young you know what I mean. Because for somebody like Martin, that ship, you know what I'm saying, So for him to you know, introduce and that leveled up to my standard special salute to the gun. It's in't that it made the cut. I had to pay homage. Yeah, I hate I had to pay homage. That's I mean, that's

one of my big heroes. So what is the next one? In Roscoe Jenkins was back in the same building. Huh what what is the next what is the next death comedy jam moment? What do you mean for me? Or period? But it is that possible. Here's here's the thing. It is possible, I would say to a degree while and that was that for me. M hm. Great. You get a bunch of raw, hungry comedians together on the same stage,

especially when we first started. I mean, that's me, d Ray Corey holcom Chat Williams, Williams, Williams, you know what I'm saying, Like, that's now you have some dogs on that. Yeah we was, we was them guys right and then now Chico being Carlos Miller, DC Young Fly like them. Niggas is animals. They really know their ship. Yeah I saw hips. But to me, that is our this generation's version of death comedy jam that has a longer span. You know, people will be like, oh, it's not the

same anymore, what all of that? Where else are you going to see a show with comedy and rap perfectly fused together like Niggas is coming on, They're getting putting their careers on snoopers, on their trading raps with comedians pnb Rock whoever, like uh luke a fiasco, h vic Mensa, Like it's for me, that's our version of deaf comedy gam but there can always be another one. It's just about the industry getting the funk out the way and us saying all right now this We're not gonna keep

letting them tell us what's funny and what's not. We're not gonna wait for the green light. It takes somebody daring to say I'm going to create this created and shoot it and then I you know, if I need to partner with it, our partner period, So it can be one. Yeah. Well, if we're not gonna keep you forever, I mean, you're welcome to stay in. The guests from

UM appreciate you. Man J has a special segment of this show that he likes to you know, likes to call upon our guests to especially someone you know of your travels well, travel well travel anything in Germany with a karate suit on't I've done some things you've got That's a different level. It's a different level of the first person I ever met, like your real life karate kid. Yeah, you bleed on inside him riding Man, I cannot fight.

Just let's just be clear, all right, all right? So yeah, so of all your travels, man, so we have we have a segment of the show. It's called sand No Names and the story can either be funny are fucked up, but you can't use the people name and can give so you know what I mean, he gives some inklings on who it might be by the way you tell the story, So the people can be trying to figure this sh it out, But you cannot say their name. I ain't saying on that. I'm gonna just say this

right here. Mhmm. There's a nigga. If if I said his name, I think y'all would run. But when I describe him, y'all going to know exactly what what I'm talking about. This is a guy who has his face wrapped on vans and he always in a fantom. I've seen the nigga have billboards around and he's got every band danna from every culture and he wraps it in the front like Aunt Jemima Paca, are you kidding? And

he's got photos with like Jack's. He's he's every fucking where, and he gets out on the red carpet with the adornments high waves, high waves, and the paths will be like, what's amazing energy. It's amazing energy. Amazing energy knows every I'm always happy to see it. To this day, I don't know what the funk he goes. I've always heard that he was an artist. I never heard of goddamn song,

but the freshest newest family Bentley Cooper, Hovercraft. I'm just saying these names exist, and uh, I ain't saying no names. But that's I don't know if you call that a story, but this is this is your mind. It's been on your mindorious one. It's great in this, in this, in this town. The way you the way you just articulated, that would probably be the way all of us would

have partiulated seating because you know who I'm talking about. Listen, A lovely brother, I mean, spirit is amazing, a lovely brother. He floats when he walks. It's always blessed, always, and conversations always, always great energy. Not a bad thing in the world can be said about it. There are only questions that can be asked, What do you do? Who do you know? Everybody I'm talking about? If Obama's in town,

he's gonna you right next to him. Yeah, I've seen him in places that I just I couldn't get into him. How who are you where? This is gonna be part of our unsolved mysterious segment When he started deartelling, as soon as she started, he was gone. As soon as you started here, everybody, Hey, look I got one more. I'm gonna yota one more, just one more. Because because that wasn't a damn story, it was, though it is because I have personal interactions with the guy great energy.

We've been in many parking lots and hands is moving. It's always a parking lot because it's always a whip too, though it's always an amazing whip, always standing outside the crap. Right, there's always a plan. Let me get your number because dot dot dot ellipsies. Right. So it was a story, got damnit jay bounce. The other story. I think I just said my old name, like I'm in trouble to do the principal's office. But no, there's there's a I'm

not even gonna say the profession. But you're already gonna know. There's there's a cat that you know showed. I call it the shoulders is always moving, m and you know I got the new you know gonna show you was the Keynna put the key on the table while we're just getting a burger. Yeah, put the lamb again. Man. I already know ship always signaling for ship. And it's like, all right, I know you I don't know getting it, but are you getting it? Because I know niggas that

do what you do and ain't moving. The shoulders don't move as much as yours do. But your shoulders be mean saying right. So that's all I'm saying. I'm saying on that. Man. If I say anymore, I'm gonna get a text. Get a text. You have you have the most different and peculiar. Ain't saying if I present scenario, not even scenario, Ladies and Jeal, this has been the everybody podcast. Brother a fan in the building, then thank you for coming through and uh and rocking with your partners.

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