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Is it the Kardashian's fault?

Aug 11, 202325 minSeason 1Ep. 8
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Episode description

What could be driving the rising trend among young women to alter their physical appearance? And how does the growing acceptance of this phenomenon contrast with men’s approach to self-image? Join us as we explore these compelling questions in a thoughtful discourse that delves into the complex dynamics of beauty standards, self-perception, and societal pressures. This episode challenges us to consider whether our current cultural climate has created a disparity between the sexes when it comes to body acceptance, and the ethics of these growing practices.

We also take a critical look at our society's views on aging. As we navigate through topics ranging from hair color alteration to hormone therapy, we question how societal pressures and personal desires influence our attempts to defy age. Does a mid-life crisis truly drive us towards extreme measures like fast cars and various treatments to mask our age, or is it an inherent desire to remain youthful? This segment invites us to reflect on these trends and their implications.

Lastly, we tackle one of the most intriguing aspects of self-perception - the motivation behind the desire to alter one's physical appearance. The drive for conformity versus the expression of individuality, and how our environment influences our comfort levels in expressing ourselves, are all dissected in this candid conversation. As we delve into whether interventions could be beneficial in cases of excessive plastic surgery, we advocate for a more profound dialogue on self-acceptance and the notion that availability doesn't equate to necessity. This thought-provoking episode promises to stimulate your mind and challenge your perspectives on physical enhancements and self-image. We hope you'll join us for this engaging discussion.

Transcript

Women's Desire for Physical Enhancement

Kraig

All right , we're back to R2RO . I'm gonna kick this one off . I got a topic . It is for me . It's a pretty hot topic , but maybe y'all can explain some shit . Why in the world do so many women want to do so much ? I don't know . I call augmentation or changing of everything about them so much Like .

When I was younger it was mostly just like plastic surgery , whatever get a boo job , get this or get that . Then it started to be like butt implants or whatever . But now it's like dude , like 18 , 20 , 22 year old women are like injecting up their eyebrows , their lips , all kind of craziness , right .

So I'm like I'm trying to figure out why , how we , why are we trying to do so much Like you start that early . By the time you 40 , 50 years old , you know , you look like the same person , you know .

Chuck

I saw the Kardashians fault .

Kraig

We're sitting there and be some like I don't know some ethics or something behind it that .

Chuck

I don't know . I mean , that's been , that's not American , it's not American .

Eric

It's not American to have ethics behind it . It's , I mean . Why does it matter to you ?

Kraig

I got to look at that shit .

Scott

Do you .

Chuck

I've been told .

Scott

Many times when I've asked the question who are you doing it for ? I was told it was not me .

Eric

That is correct . You , not you . That is correct , not men . That is , it's never for men , it's never for us . I don't know .

Scott

It's for them . It's for them , I don't know . Yes is there , is there doing it for them .

Chuck

They're doing it for them , they're their self image .

Scott

And so they say because I want to feel pretty . But then that's why I asked . The question was like well , what if I tell you that , what that is , is it pretty to me ? Right ?

Eric

They don't ask my question care .

Scott

They don't seem to care . And it seems weird because I do seem to see that men , especially lately , are like leaning into whatever they got Right . Like you know , you're seeing a lot of beards again , yeah , which is we're not . It's just men not fighting with those already happening on their face , like not trying to change it .

Kraig

Right .

Scott

Because I mean , look , as much as you know breast augmentation or all this other stuff is every day you removing some part of your body , or you know the facial air is augmentation , so it's weird that I start thinking about it . You're saying that they're going more and more to like all trying to match the same ideal .

Kraig

Yeah .

Scott

That doesn't even exist in the world Right . It's almost like the Barbie doll thing , like you can't actually be in that shape , that's right . And then guys over here , dad , bottom with their full beards , and Eric's hair is going to grow out all the way until he can get that ponytail . Come on , it's just it's like a dichotomy .

They're going completely different directions .

Eric

I'm 42 , first of all , and most people at 42 cannot do this , and well , I can Well yeah , so I can't do it .

Scott

That's why .

Eric

I didn't grow any hair on my head .

Kraig

You're not . You're not going to a doctor every six , eight , 12 months to have something done , so you can do that .

Eric

No , but if Scott brought up a point of boob jobs , he said breast augmentation . I'm gonna call it boob jobs . So you have a giant population of men who encourage boob jobs . Then you have a giant in population of men who discourage other things . So it seems like we just kind of pick the things we want .

Scott

There's a bunch of people that don't like boob jobs , like there's the regulatory terms for them .

Kraig

Yeah . Boltons , because I mean look sometimes somebody will post it in the girls boob job and somebody will comment .

Scott

It would be like the boltons or something .

Kraig

They'll just put the word boltons . I agree .

Scott

And you know it's derogatory .

Kraig

Yeah , like rock what you got Lean into it . Like you say if you can grow a beard , cool Do it . I can't , that shit looks all fucked up .

Scott

So I can and I can't grow it on my head , so I ain't trying to comb it over .

Kraig

You know what I'm saying ?

Scott

I got rid of the stuff up there and I let the face go .

Kraig

I don't know , I don't get it . I just don't .

Eric

I just don't think you need to write it .

Kraig

No , I don't need to get it . I get what you're saying , but I don't need to get it . I just don't get it . And just like my thing is is like , just because it's available don't mean you need to do it . Look , I get it .

If , whatever , you have a traumatic incident and you get cancer and you have to do some things , that that , to get the cancer out of your body , and then now you want to kind of get back to who you were or who you felt like you were , or whatever Right , and you need to do some things like that .

Yeah , If you get an accident and whatever it kind of . You have scoring or something and you need to do something like that to , to , to help bring it back to where you were prior to the accident . I get that , but to just say my lip don't look right , or I wanted to be found .

Scott

My mom had a double mastectomy because she had barely the beginning stages of breast cancer . She's like , fuck this , cut them off , and then she rebuilt the mastectomy , and then she went back and had . She had a boob job and then and then . So when you have a double mastectomy they cut all of it off .

So when you get the boob job after , it's just skin , there's no nipples .

Kraig

Oh , yeah , I don't know .

Scott

So then , she went and got nipples tattooed on .

Eric

Oh , and then I asked who wants to see them . Oh , oh , oh . That was the full fit .

Scott

I got him home and she's like I got the tattoos . I'm like sweet . She's like do you want to see him ? I said no and she's like why not ? What the fuck . Because I said mom , I just I don't .

Kraig

I think Ron White , whenever he said that he would like to see every set in the whole wide world , forgot about the fact that he probably would not want to see mom .

Scott

He was definitely not talking about his mom , so I would For sure I was ready to say something along those lines too , and my mother's pretty quick too and reminded me that I've seen them before . So then I'm like trying to not unsee that image in my head while I'm talking to her it was .

Chuck

I'm surprised she asked and then just be like hey look .

Eric

I got my new tattoo . Oh my God .

Scott

I think that was around the time . That day was the day she called me a son of a bitch too , and I just started laughing and she's like what I was like . Call me that again . Just let it sink in .

Eric

Think about what you just said .

Scott

Did you got magic , you motherfucker ? Yeah , I am not .

Kraig

Oh yeah , no , no , Nope , I didn't want to see your boobs . Okay , I think it has to do with .

Self-Image and Aging in Society

Chuck

so what you're saying is kind of goes back to what both of you guys are saying is really their self image .

So what we had previous conversations about social media and everything you see in all of these things a lot of people on our social media are portraying some fake life , fake all the filters and all of this extra stuff and you see these people in person and like that is not the person I've been looking at for the past three years on Facebook .

Eric

Who the fuck is this ?

Chuck

bitch Like , or somebody walks up to you and be like , hey , what's going on ?

Kraig

And I'm like , hey who the hell are you ?

Chuck

You know , like you don't recognize them and it's like it's not your fault , it's not my fault . They look totally different . The person you've been following and keeping up with you know thought you were keeping up with , thought you were keeping up with . They look different whenever you actually see them .

But , at the end of the day , it's their self portrayal and the way they feel like they want to look , and we're in a society now where it's easily accessible . That's what I was going to say . It's more .

Eric

It's more accepted , it's easily accessible and people want to try things like what would but you said it's more accepted . Maybe it shouldn't be , it is but it is .

Scott

But we've been going down this road for a long time . I mean , look you , look at , you can just talk about hair and hair color and whether it's curly or straight . Right , there's so many people have curly hair and they're trying to make it straight . The straight people are trying to curl their hair . The blondes want to be brunettes .

Brunettes want to be blondes . That's been going on for for a while Hair color , hair color has been going on , but I mean , that's the same ideal . It's the same thing People wanting a . Once you look away that they aren't .

Kraig

The hair color thing was like tribal things right , like they would make their they would dye their hair certain colors and stuff because of warriors and certain jobs .

Scott

Yeah , that's two of my own lifetimes . That's all before social media and internet that people were still . You know , my mom had a perm , yeah , the perm .

Eric

Yeah , the perm Bro . Perms are back now for boys .

Chuck

Oh , yes , they are For boys , like high school kids , like high school boys I saw a dude today with a perm at the funeral home the guy that was running the .

Kraig

Dude had a perm for sure tight girls .

Chuck

It's pretty tight , I mean he very well could have been his real hair , but it was pretty , it was pretty tight .

Kraig

Yeah , I saw . Most people would think that Eric has permed you .

Eric

Yeah , I saw four people and they all had the same hair and I'm like there's not a possibility in this whole world . You all found each other .

Scott

One every once in a while and like they talk for a second , but they buddy buddy either Because you want to be the only one in your group .

Eric

Yeah , I'm unique .

Kraig

Cool , not if you inject yourself all up , but then we all got straight eyebrows and big lips .

Eric

Well , apparently boys are Just covering their body to by getting there's also this whole thing of guys looking distinguished and women looking old . Huh , so well as they Older guys tend to . They'll say he's looks distinguish or he looks better with age . And then , yeah , most of that the opposite from women . It goes the opposite direction .

You know , like , for me , whenever I start getting gray , I'm like fucking let's do it , yeah . But I mean , as I get older I feel like I look better than I did in my 20s . I don't know . Well , most , most women don't feel that way .

Chuck

Okay okay , and society , and society is Saying the same thing , like correct . They're saying oh , you look older , now you look older , you look older . There's never . Oh , you look more distinguished , so you'd never . Well , it's no , it's never that okay , fair enough .

Kraig

So if you in your 40s whatever , having a midlife crisis feel like you're getting you looking older and you want to look young again , On Corvette .

Eric

Yeah , by a Corvette , no doubt Is the fucking answer .

Kraig

But if that's , if that's what's happening ladies , you can buy Corvette , corvette's yeah , by Corvette's , buy whatever Fast-car , convertible , yes , jeep , with no top you go fast enough .

Scott

They can't see how ugly are . The richer they are , the faster the car .

Kraig

Especially if you started doing all kind of injections and augmentations in your 20s and now , yep , yeah , perfect , just buy fast-car .

Scott

Well , you have to go fast because you have to get the g-force to keep all that shit back in place . It starts to fall down .

Kraig

I Convertible and pressing on the right pedal right so that Corvette's actually like a retainer . You get your t-straight . That's a retain and then later on they get crooked again . You just put the retainer by the .

Scott

Corvette you pulled over doing like 120 down your straight and the cost of what you don't . I was trying to fix my face . It's beat your face right .

Kraig

Your face , beat your face , beat your face . But what I was saying is okay , fine . So if you're older and you have it , wrinkles and whatever the aging process is happening , and you feel like you want to spend the money to do that , okay cool . But why in your 1820 , 2420 , like in your 20s , like all that shit's still tight , bro , like you're good ?

Eric

but okay , so I I .

Kraig

Know I'm digging a hole , bro , you ain't gonna dig this hole .

Eric

Well , obviously , I don't have the same problem that you do . It doesn't ? It doesn't bother me , okay , okay , I , it doesn't bother me at all . There's you , probably , some lines ? Well , there are some definite lines , obviously , but Some of the stuff that gets injected is not the stuff that it used to be .

So some of this stuff is not just like filler , some of it is . There's a solution that goes into your skin that actually dissolves once it gets in there , but the whole thing is designed to produce collagen , but it's not producing collagen .

It's telling your body to produce more collagen and the collagen that it's producing , your body's producing in its own collagen , but it's ramping it up . Is what's tightening the scan a little bit ? But it's not just tightening , it's also it's like face .

Scott

It's like a PD for your face . Yeah , yes , yes .

Kraig

So it'll postpone you .

Eric

So if you at 18 years old , then it'll , it'll . It's like it pauses to me . It it's like it pauses you for a little while . So when you are 30 , you're not gonna look 30 , you're gonna Look a little younger . I don't know , I took some before .

Kraig

So that in like 20 years we can see after and see if that's true .

Eric

I got my own .

Scott

Terms . I got my own little spare me going on . There's a super rich dude that had his own long-time experience going on . He had like a he was doing the blood boy thing , the what blood boy like you actually get blood Transfused to you from somebody younger ?

Kraig

Oh .

Scott

So that you get younger blood going through your system . He was actually doing it with his son , I think , oh shit son might have been involved to you , but because he's older , that's your he's trying to . He spends like 11 million dollars a year just in things to reverse the aging process Because he's trying to go back to the age of 28 .

This is like but he gave up on the blood boy thing . What's his name ? He's been doing it for like a couple years . I have to go look it up .

Kraig

There's a this workout .

Scott

Dude . I just read about him giving up on the blood boy thing . I didn't go farther than that .

Kraig

So he I'm just curious if he's actually trying to do long-term Benefit beneficial things or if he's looking for , like the instant gratification pill , right , because that's what . Majority of this stuff is right , so like you can be healthy and eat healthy and work out and do some things and that'll help Slow down or pause the aging process a little bit .

Right for range of motion . We talk about all this shit all the time at least I do , because I do that . Right , I try to go to the gym three to five days a week , try to keep full range of motion on the things I do and always live heavy , whatever . But if you're doing those long-term things and it pauses that aging process to a certain extent , right .

So now , hopefully , unless I have some traumatic thing happen to me , I don't really help getting on the toilet as early . It delays that , you know . It improves my quality of life later in in life , right .

Chuck

So You're going in another direction . There are a large group of guys that don't like women , that look like the CrossFit chicks .

Kraig

Yeah , I'm not saying CrossFit , no , no , but I'm not even using CrossFit as an example .

Chuck

But you know it kind of goes both ways . You know , like different ways , different looks . There's a lot of guys girls are like you know , like he does , like a meathead . He's all buffed up , swole up . You know heavy weights , kind of different stuff Definitely don't have the full range of motion that you're talking about .

Kraig

Can you get off the toilet ? Yeah , he might have to get off the toilet now , you know . Can you wipe your own ass ? Because I tell my daughter that all the time . Be like , look , you got to stick around and wipe my ass when I'm older Because at some point I ain't gonna be able to wipe it . I'm trying to make that go as long as possible for you .

Chuck

But even going that realm is still my opinion of what someone looks like in your opinion and your opinion , and it's all of our opinion or some every other guy's opinion of what every other girl looks like In vice versa , what the girls feel the guys look like is strictly an opinion . Yeah .

Eric

Oh , I got . I'm full of those .

Chuck

So yeah , we know so when it comes to that , it's kind of like well , the exercise part works great until you get hurt .

Exploring Appearance and Self-Acceptance

Donald Trump has a saying where he was talking about all of the all of his friends that work out all the time and everything . They're all dead now and so he's still rolling . That's some .

Kraig

That's some quote somewhere the more romance smoked until he was like 85 , too .

Chuck

He never smokes , he never drank , but he's like shit and he doesn't exercise and he's out living . All of his friends that drank a little bit and they worked out and they did all his other stuff .

Kraig

But how many pills a day does he eat , though ?

Scott

I don't know , I'm not sure . Warren Buffett famously like eats cheeseburgers and McDonald's breakfast , breakfast every morning ? No , it's breakfast every morning , he eats a cheeseburger this diner and he drinks Coca-Cola .

Kraig

How much maize does he take , like regular Coca-Cola ? How much maize does he take ? I don't know . That was where I was getting to a while ago was are they doing long term stuff to improve their quality of life from a long term standpoint or are they just trying to get like an instant they ?

Scott

just appear . The billionaire is doing all of it . He's spending $100,000 a month on trying to not be old , so I'm sure he's doing all of it .

Chuck

Warren Buffett just wakes up , he just gets his blood going every day .

Scott

He didn't quit any of the other stuff he's doing , which . I looked that up . He was the dude that started Venmo and sold it to PayPal for $800 million , so now he's just trying to never die .

Chuck

No , he's just doing whatever he wants . He sold it to PayPal , so Elon's on the Venmo .

Kraig

He's on vacation like don't , I think it's here I mean he might have sold the technology to PayPal after the fact .

Eric

Yeah , it was Venmo , not PayPal . Paypal bought .

Chuck

Venmo . Yeah , so Elon started PayPal , right , yeah , but that was already done . He sold that .

Eric

He was involved , but that was before Venmo came around .

Scott

Yeah , yeah , but he bought PayPal .

Eric

I think you'd be surprised at how many men get things that . But it's just not as talked about , because men don't want to discuss it , not me , you don't have to look at me , so you go hibernate for a weekend after you get your injections .

Chuck

I think it's a lot to do with instant gratification , but what part of the gym ? Can you make your lips a little bit thicker , like little things that ?

Eric

really don't .

Chuck

Okay .

Eric

Parts of yourself . You don't like . You know , my back is full . I mean there's a couple things . I can't really go to the gym that much Like . I don't even try anymore . I mean , at this point in my life , if I'm hurting I take a break .

Kraig

Yeah , yeah , that's a traumatic . There's some traumatic things that happen to your body that cause injuries that then had some lasting effects .

Scott

Right , I'm just saying there's other things like Chucks said yeah , there's a lot of go back to before Facebook and all that stuff too . There's a lot of dudes that have done steroids for what we're talking about For the look 100% .

Kraig

That's what I don't get .

Scott

Like up Right Two pays wigs , then hair transplant , Like , look , I'm not doing that stuff , but it exists and there's a lot of people that do it A lot of guys Two pays , two pays .

Kraig

I'm just saying I don't get it . I'm just saying I don't get it .

Scott

I just think it's not , it's not exclusively women versus men I think it's . Certain people want to look different than the way they are . Some people want to lean into it or whatever the reason , it doesn't really . And that's the same . But I think personalities and everything .

There's a lot of people that are like I'm going to just try to conform and it's really not who they are . And then there's a really like fuck it .

Kraig

I'm going to let my freak flag fly .

Scott

Yeah , I'm going to beat me , that's right .

Kraig

I'm going to be as I used to be , more of the . Oh well , that group is the cool . They're doing the cool shit . I want to be part of the cool shit . I'm going to kind of maybe change some of the things I do , and now I guess because I'm fucking getting old or whatever but I'm just going to like , just do the fuck what I like .

Eric

But that's , I mean , that's what I'm started doing too , but like a .

Kraig

That's where the man born came from .

Eric

Well , I mean , I have a clip in my hair right now that most of y'all probably don't , even what . You probably can't see it very much , but it's like the little baby clip . We can see it and you can see it , we can see it .

Kraig

We can see it .

Eric

It took a little bit of I don't know . It took a little bit for me to actually start wearing it in public , but it's the only way I can keep my hair out of my face .

Scott

It gets curly and it drops in the front of my face , but I don't want to cut my hair , so it is where it was another way to keep your hair out of your face .

Eric

Yeah , but I don't want to go that way and so I don't know . But we went to Colorado on vacation last summer and while we were in Colorado I used to wear a headband . Y'all know my headbands . But I would wear a headband , but I would only do it at home . So it was me , my daughter , and that was it , nobody else .

And I would show her and we'd talk about it . I'm like I'll wear it like this , all this other stuff .

And then Colorado Well , I'm like , well , I'm going to start wearing it because we're in Colorado , not Louisiana , you know , and I'm like I feel like the people in Colorado , they're like we don't give a fuck , and they didn't , and they didn't , nobody cared . But then , when I came back home , I continued , and nobody cared here either .

So then the progress is my hair gets longer and then I can't wear headbands anymore . It's too long . So then I end up I'm telling Ali and I was like get a clip . I'm like what do you mean a clip ? I'm like like a girl hair clip . She's like , yes , so just a hair clip .

Kraig

So why does that have to have ?

Chuck

the girl part in it .

Eric

It doesn't say girl .

Chuck

Does it say girl on the packaging ?

Kraig

It does not , but I didn't think so .

Chuck

It's probably just says hair clip .

Kraig

It's probably in the hair products section .

Eric

Some of them are pink , but you know so I'm like those are for the girls . I'm like all right , so I don't know what exactly this means . Right , so I go to .

Chuck

Target Are you gender assigning hair ? No , not anymore .

Eric

I went to Target and I got as of three seconds .

Kraig

Yeah .

Eric

Thirty five dollars worth of hair clips . Good Lord , yeah , you bought them out and none of them worked out .

Discussion on Excessive Plastic Surgery

Scott

So so then I went to .

Eric

Walgreens .

Chuck

What'd you do ? Put them in your car . Then I went to Walgreens . I had some kids , I got some over there .

Eric

I went to Ulta and I got some there and then I got some really cheap ones at CVS . That's the one is in my hair . They're really cheap Two dollar one from CVS it is . So it's really small . It's the smallest one I could find . She's hiding it in there , anyway .

So then I have $50 worth of hair clips and I bring them to my daughter and I put them on her dresser and I'm like here I'm donating all these hair clips to you . She's like what , where'd you get these ? And I'm like well , I had to find the ones I like . I didn't know there was some weird things like .

One of them is just a gold you , it's like half a paperclip but it's like four inches long . But I was like , well , maybe I could pick my hair up and just stab it . And it didn't work . It didn't work like that at all . I would get back on my head .

Scott

I don't know . I mean come full circle , because you're still talking about that Like people are going way too far with the plastic surgeries . They're just going way too far and being themselves yeah .

Kraig

No , just trying to be him . Yeah , that's right , Just do you yeah he went too far .

Scott

We don't want this much .

Eric

Have an intervention or dollar back bro Intervention . Please make it on the podcast Dollar back bro . If we're doing intervention , do it .

Kraig

It was always there , so it was always there , or he would just keep it in the house every once in a while , and now he's just got his like fuck it , it's all out now .

Scott

Yeah , I'm talking about all of it , not just the hair . Yeah , I mean the whole thing like it's too much , Damn .

Eric

He's been too much .

Scott

He is aware .

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