Homo-Classism

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Today in Gay. A gay exorcism survivor receives five-figure settlement from his UK church. Music. Adds anti-trans bathroom bill into Texas flood relief special session. Uh, what the fuck? Today in biphobia, after axing the word transgender, Stonewall Monument website quietly cuts bisexual too. Not the bisexuals. The bisexuals. Today in what the fuck? With fewer protections and more paperwork, LGBTQ plus Americans face a Medicaid coverage cliff. And today in yas, Hong Kong to consider law.

To recognize same-sex partnerships. Do any of you queens know about any of these things? I don't, but I did want to read about this gay exorcism survivor. What the fuck? Matthew Draper described the experience as something out of a horror movie by Abby Montiel. A Church of England parish has paid damages to a gay man who underwent an exorcism meant to purge him of the demons of homosexuality, according to the Times.

This is the first known case in which a survivor of a conversion therapy has received compensation in the UK. In 2014, while volunteering at St. Thomas Philadelphia, an angelic Baptist congregation in Sheffield, 37-year-old Matthew Draper was invited to an in-contra-God weekend, where he was told that a local married couple who were prayer leaders would perform an exorcism to rid him of his sexual impurity that had allowed him demons to enter his body.

Looking back, it seems like something out of a horror movie for someone to be standing over you saying that they can see the demons leaving your body is quite terrifying, Draper told the Times. But when you are deeply tied to the church as I was at the time, it is easy to believe anything they tell you. Damn straight, Calvary Chapel.

Music. In November 2023, Bernardo's investigators concluded in their review that it was supported fact that the precision Draper was subjected to was in view of a form of exorcism administered with the intention of changing his sexual identity. Hmm... I mean, some of these twinks are gay demons. I mean, I don't know. I'm JK. I mean, I know this is in the UK, but that's insane. That is crazy, but it's also ironic. Not ironic.

It's also kind of crazy that when the parish did their first initial investigation, they found nothing.

But four years later, or wait, I don't know how many years later, I think it was like 2016, team then independent investigation found that this most definitely happened so now so now the church is lying yeah the parents is lying like come on now like we don't even know the whole church is a lie we just had tea and crumpets i don't know what he's talking about but i think that's a problem of doing internal investigations like how are you going

to How is someone in general of your organization going to be objective to shit that you do? They're not. It's the same for police. You can't have internal police assessing police activity. They're going to clear themselves. I didn't do it. Right? I'm innocent. You know what? I believe you. Nothing happened. We found nothing. Case closed. Jesus Christ. But fuck. I mean, they're saying that they see demons coming out of you.

Like that's some like traumatizing bullshit like if you're up in that right right i remember being in calvary and being like oh my god i'm gonna die in the rapture yeah so like i can imagine him like being like oh my god were there actual demons coming out of me and now i still want to date a man so is there another demon so like right right right exactly it's a it was a whole nother demon but i mean we all have our demons you know what i'm saying but

then also like that wasn't the demon that got exorcist. You know what I'm saying? damn. Right. Like, I can't drink no more, but I'm still gonna fuck. Yeah. But it's just wild that 2025 and they're like doing gay exorcisms. At least they're getting paid out. I mean, that's true. That is true. I mean, it did happen like in 20, I think the original exorcism happened in 20 and 2012. Oh, that makes a little bit more sense. Right. And then he filed the suit in 2016.

But independent investigation didn't happen to 2022. I really like that they said, call this like what it was, conversion therapy.

Because people want to be like oh like religion religion like don't tread on my religion but like no girl this is conversion therapy i also think the things to highlight like this is an extreme version of conversion therapy in church we also need to talk about how pastors are probably having conversations and talks with queer kids in church about how they're wrong one-on-one providing this therapy which is wild like what's your training to provide therapy to people and like what's

like What's your backup scriptures that is saying there's a gay demon that you can exorcise the demon out of it? Right, like what's the name? Because you got to usually call the name of the demon. Right? It's not like one demon. They're just yelling faggot the whole time. Right? Is it multiple gay demons? I don't understand. That's a lot of gay demons to be possessing all the gays at all the same time. Just a little sight now about demons.

Well, girlies, if you need some change, go get a gay exorcism and sue the church. Jesus. Did y'all hear about Stonewall? So after asking the word transgender from their website, the monument, because, you remember I said there's a bar and then the Stonewall Monument Museum type of thing. They recently cut the word bisexual from their website, which is a .gov website, which is important, y'all.

Hold on to that. So it is said that on May 26th, an archived version of the website had a statement that said, Before the 1960s, almost everything about living openly as a lesbian, gay, bisexual person was illegal.

And when people went to the website on the 27th, May 27th, the day after, it now reads, Before the 1960s, almost everything about living authentically as a gay or lesbian person was illegal. And so yeah so the storm environment out here erasing by people very strange just like the community so. Not only do trans people not exist, but now it's only gays and straights, and there is no such thing as bisexuality. That's what they're telling us.

That's interesting. Yeah. Well, I wonder what is the status of the Monument Museum, because it's a .gov, which means it's government-operated.

Because i i'm working with a non-profit and i gave them my bio my bio is like i'm like anti-racist therapist who works primarily with the queer and trans community and the person i was working with sent me a list of banned and trigger words and federal grant writing and trump administration so trump is out here not providing grants and things to organizers if they say certain things yeah so that's probably why they removed it from the

monument website i don't think i'm thinking but if you're a government how much grants are you getting but if you're government that means that your website is run by the government so the government is going to be able to take in and out whatever it wants that's true but then also the funding that you get is coming from them. So they were like, well, you damned if you it? You fucked either way. Yeah. No, really. And on this list, it's like LGBTQ is on this list.

It's basically every underprivileged identity. Like activism, advocacy. You can't say that to get some grants. Gender. You can't say indigenous community. You can't say multicultural. You can't say racial. You can't say privilege. That's crazy. You can't say trauma. So yeah so like if you writing a grant and like if you providing these services like what like. Like, what's a synonym for trauma? You're not getting funny, girl. Yeah. Like, what can I say instead of trauma?

Bad things, bad things. Like, that's for wild. Yeah, yeah. So, I'm wondering, I think it's more that their government ran, so government's just going to do and erase whoever they want. I'm like, are they going to eventually erase lesbian and gay also from it and be like, Stonewall was about something, but we don't know. Bricks matter. Right. I think it was Humpty Dumpty's. Humpty Dumpty.

I don't know. But I did see that they, when they removed the transgender from the website, a lot of people bought flags and put it and took it to the monument. So hopefully a lot of the bisexual community will also buy flags and take it up to the monument and, you know, show solidarity and community. It's kind of scary. I don't think you can say, those are two words. Yeah, we're canceled. No grants. We're not getting any grants. But I think that highlights something important, right?

Like I think that we can't unfortunately rely on the power that is to acknowledge us. So I think that's where we had to come together as a community. Because this article was also saying how this person that puts pride flags all over the monument, and they do like a bunch of them, he was told he couldn't do the trans flags like you said. But also the progress flags, the ones with the black and white stripes. Oh, yeah, yeah. No, the black and brown stripes. The black and brown ones.

And that those weren't going to get funded. So I think this is where, like, us community members need to, like, step up. If they're not going to provide it, then, like, we need to step in this community to not allow erasure of people, you know?

Also, like, what the fuck? Period. But also the fewer protections and more paperwork, the LGBTQ plus Americans face a Medicaid coverage cliff. So according to them, millions of Americans are expected to lose health care coverage through President Donald Trump's one big, beautiful tax and spending law. And LGBTQ plus Americans who rely heavily on social services due to high rates of poverty and disability are among those who will be most impacted.

Experts say that the widespread loss of health care coupled with rising discrimination and fewer workplace protections will create a worst case scenario for LGBTQ plus rights. These support programs are being cut amid an increased environment of hostility towards LGBTQ plus people, said Brad Sears, distinguished scholar of law and policy at the Williams Institute of UCLA School of Law. The law creates an 80 hour a month work requirement in order to accept access Medicaid.

Although recipients can volunteer for 80 hours a month instead or enroll in at least a part time education program. These requirements go into effect in early 2027. First of all, that's just unrealistic. You know what I'm saying? Like, you can find a job and work 80 hours, but unemployment is on the fucking rise. So, like, how is, like, how the hell is that going to work? But also, I'm wondering, like, how—I feel like that's just so out of touch. Yeah. SNAP is, what, 190? 190 a month? If that.

Individual. Probably more if you're a family. Like, no one is—it's really hard to survive off of that. And you don't think that people who are on SNAP don't have some other source of income? Like, no. Like, people aren't freeloading off the government. You know, the issue is that everything's so expensive. And it's really hard to stretch everything. So even if you do have a job for 80 hours. It's still not enough. You think, okay, at least you'll give me Medicaid.

But I'm still not going to be able to, one, pay rent, buy groceries, do this, do that. And if I do have Medicaid and if I have other health issues, how am I going to fucking afford that with an 80-hour job? And still can't pay rent and groceries. Exactly. Yeah.

Makes no sense. It's ridiculous. But Medicaid recipients will now have to file paperwork every six months to prove that they are working or volunteering for 80 hours a month or to request an exemption, said Lindsey Dawson, director of the LGBTQ health policy at KFF. These requirements, which have never been issued on a national level before, are expected to dramatically reduce Medicaid enrollment, she said.

If someone is already navigating difficult circumstances, like an unstable living situation, or surviving on minimal income, they probably won't be able to keep up with the additional paperwork. That's just wild that you want people to file this paperwork. But I remember you saying, like, they just assumed that everybody is, like, freeloading off the government. But it's like, I'm not about to... Y'all got everybody information anyway. So, like, yeah. They swear.

I mean, if anybody can even get benefits, period, the way it's, like, made so hard to get in the fucking first place. And it's like, what the fuck? Like, if you can get them, if you are scamming the government and you can get Snap, more power to you because. No, but I agree. But I think the other issue that I have with this is I work with people who get like GR and SNAP, and I have seen them attempt to renew their benefits. And it's always a disaster.

The agencies lose their paperwork, you know, and so then they don't get their benefits. So what's going to happen when that happens? because now you're requiring millions of people to submit paperwork and there is not infrastructure to support that. Like how you want them to mail it in, you want them to email you, then who email is it going to, now what if the system crashed, and then now like, right, exactly.

So then people go without Medicaid and they die because they can't get treated. Exactly. Yeah, they really fucking swear with all this, oh, there's people scamming the system. It's like, bitch, it's so fucking hard to do it When you have, when you're fucking destitute as shit. Right. Even when you don't have no job, even when you're poor, it's still impossible to get it. Yeah. So what the fuck? You know who's scamming the system? The 1%. Not paying no taxes.

They're coming for all of us, y'all. They are. We all need a band together.

But similar, did y'all hear about trans youth fight for care as California clinics cave to Trump? So last month, a trans youth got email alerting him that the Children's Hospital of LA was shutting down a center of trans youth health and development, which had provided him critical health care for three years.

The center, which has served trans youth for three decades, offered him counseling and helped him access gender affirming hormone therapy that he said allowed him to live as himself and flourish in school.

Chla said it is shutting the center due to the federal government's threat to pool funding part of the president's efforts to eradicate trans youth health care the move forced him and his mom to scramble for alternatives taking time out of his busy summer to contact new providers and ensure he doesn't run out of medications and you put that on a child yeah You put in that weight and that responsibility on a child to do for caving in to President's Trump BS.

That's wild. If you're going to say that you're about the community, you need to be about the community. Because you're essentially throwing trans youth under the bus. Right. You know? And then it's like you, just like we were saying earlier, Like, I don't know how much funding that person or that organization got from President Trump, but, like, still find a way. Find a way. Yeah. You've been doing this for three years, and now all of a sudden. Go fundraise, girl.

Right. Like, this CHLA, like, you're not going to think people are going to donate to you? Like, the gays have all this money, supposedly, so hit up the gays for all this. All this second income. Exactly. I'm without second income. I'm going to do that. I ain't got no fucking money. Well, I don't know. We're not the right kind of gays, apparently. But right. Right. It's the other game. Yeah. Make them pay for shit. It's the ones over there on the other side of the hill. Hollywood Hill.

But I've definitely seen this. Like, I work at a clinic that serves predominantly the queer community. And there has been jobs that have been cut. But they still find a way to provide the services that are being cut. And I think that's what we need to do is, okay, it's not going to benefit your pocket.

But aren't you a medical doctor that's all about saving lives and that's your oath yeah right isn't it right isn't that your oath I don't think your oath say like oh let me get my pockets better do it girl, A drag queen was detained by ICE in San Francisco. Activists are fighting to get her back by Samantha Rydell. Community activists in San Francisco are rallying to support Hillary Rivers, an immigrant drag queen who was arrested by ICE agents after an asylum hearing nearly two weeks ago.

One of the latest LGBTQ plus victims of the Trump administration's campaign for mass deportations. Rivers fled his home in Guatemala due to traumatic and severe persecution for being gay, as the San Francisco Chronicle reported last week. His legal name is not being widely reported to protect his confidentiality, of advocates told the non-profit news platform 48hills.org shortly following the drag performer's arrest.

On June 26, Rivers attended a scheduled asylum hearing where the government's motion to dismiss his case was denied. Rivers was arrested by ICE agents as he left the courtroom. That combination, in which the government attempts to dismiss an asylum case, then immediately arrest the asylum seeker for deportation, has become an increasingly common tactic for U.S. Immigration police in the past several months, and one that is sometimes conducted with cooperation from courthouses themselves.

Rivers is now believed to be held in the Golden State Annex as an ICE detention center in Bakersfield. Since his arrest, activists and advocacy groups like SF Pride and San Francisco Immigrant Legal Defense Collaborative have lobbied for Rivers' release and assurance of his safety while in detention. Advocates ask for ICE's San Francisco's office to be flooded with phone calls following Rivers' arrest.

Per 48 Hills and San Francisco Nonprofit Art Collective, Galleria de la Raza hosted a letter-writing session last Monday for community members to send messages to support. River's primary concern is for people to understand that he was doing things following the law and that he was not a criminal, the gallery's director, Annie Rivera, said at the evening, according to SFGate. We came to this country truly seeking opportunity.

We are members of the LGBT community, and closing the door like that is not only unfair but disheartening said Claudia Cabrera, program director at the Instituto Familiar de la Raza at the letter writing session. We also want to send our queer love and prayers to Hilary Rivers, the drag queen in San Francisco and hopefully get her back home and get back out to getting them bookings. Hope you're good, girl. To end it off on some good news. Yeah.

Hong Kong to consider law to recognize same-sex partnerships. Oh, that would be nice. So this week to formally recognize same-sex partnerships in response to a landmark 2023 ruling by the city's highest court that ordered such framework. So same-sex marriage is not legal in Hong Kong, but a series of court cases have slowly established some piecemeal rights for LGBTQ plus couples in the city, including those related to public housing, inheritance law and spousal visas.

So that's very, I mean, I guess I thought it was a good thing, but it seemed like they only gave the bare minimum. Yeah. I mean, it's still a good thing. Even if it's a bare minimum. Exactly. I didn't even get it. What exactly did they get? So, I mean, you can explain it better. Well, I think from what I got of it is they gave them the rights around medical decisions. Because there's so many different avenues that married people have the rights of.

So you have like financial rights, you have like insurance rights, right? You know, like housing rights. But the one they highlighted they got were medical rights. So be able to see your partner in the hospital, to be able to make medical decisions, things like that is what they provided them. And that's just along with the fact that they can have like a union ceremony, I guess. Well, no, no, no. Because they also still have to go overseas to first be acknowledged as a same-sex couple.

In my eyes, they're saying like, oh, you will have to still go to Guam or you'll have to go to somewhere else. That recognizes and you become that union, then you could come back to Hong Kong and then apply for that type of benefit, per se. That your same-sex members would be recognized, but you can't get, from the way I understand it, you still can't get married in Hong Kong. You would have to still go overseas to do so, but it would be recognized.

Lamau, not that being the darkest day ever is people not getting literally anything.

The fuck what a dark day but also why are you making this complicated why do you have to come up with a whole new system for same-sex marriages like use the same system why you need a whole new thing exactly it makes no sense so it's definitely creating a tiered system yeah that two-tier system like then what if somebody don't have the means to go overseas to get married yeah in a same-sex relationship yeah and so then now they're just gonna be stuck,

Without being able to get those same benefits as an individual who had the means to go over there and get married. Yeah. And it's wild that you think that this is an invasion or fad from the Western world. Like, you don't think there's queer people where you live? No, sis. The reason why they're not out and proud is because of shit like this. You're not giving them recognition. Of course they're not going to be out.

So it just sounds like that anybody who did get married anywhere else, it just sounds like, yeah, like they're having a lot of issues with the end of life. Because obviously, like if you came in from another country, you married like someone from China and then you went to go move there. It's like you already like are going to have like those assumed rights from wherever you came from, I guess. Yeah, but if you stay there, but if you go back to Hong Kong, then.

Then yeah so i'm guessing like they're having a lot of problems with that like people i guess.

No the hong kong wasn't recognizing it at all like you it's probably just it's them giving the bare minimum it's like we'll give you this part of these rights but there's so much more you can get but we're not going to give you that i think it's that right yeah you can go and visit your husband yeah right that's it well maybe it's like a little like super duper duper tiny step I mean I guess that's true but it's like fucking 2025 we so sick of getting the bare fucking minimum from

everybody like it's like damn, give me something more and cause we getting the bare minimum from every aspect of life in 2025 yeah unfortunately, Give me some more. Give me more in the words of Britney Spears. Wow. Must be the apocalypse. Did you quote Britney? Wow. So much for a happy ending. I know. Damn. Well, did you guys do anything special in your own gay life? Any gay news from your own world? You know what?

I've been gone for a couple of weeks. so I haven't, you know, been in the Long Beach scene for the last couple of weekends. So it was good to be back in the queer space of LBC and just like the queer love and just back at the bars and, you know, supporting the arts, a.k.a. the Go-Go Boys. You know, the arts. The arts of dance. The arts of dance and seduction. So, yeah, you know, back in these streets now. Supporting these artists.

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A like a heart a comment you know they all have the podcast a lot from all of us here at the Queer LBC we greatly appreciate you now back to, and we're back so today i wanted to talk about homoclassism yes homoclassism refers to the class-based discrimination or bias within lgbtq plus communities especially among gay men it describes how wealth income education beauty standards and access to cultural capital affect how individuals are treated within queer spaces, not just outside of them.

And with us to talk about this very classist, very homo, very interesting subject, if we have a very special guest, our sound editor, engineer, and local celebrity, Cello Zuul. We'd like to thank on to the studio set again this week. Cello.

Not lot celebrity. I love it I love it so think of homoclassism have you ever experienced this do you guys know what this is have you ever heard of it this is the first time I ever heard this term but I think it it's definitely something that is real you know like that I've seen in the wild I just not ever identified it yeah is this like classism but just in the homosexual yeah spaces talking about the like the wage gap and the disparity between, yeah I feel like the gays love like

the special treatment and the like exclusivity i feel like a lot of a lot of the not everyone i shouldn't generalize but i feel like there's people in the queer community that you know love to exclude and we've known this i mean you know they exclude trans women you know they exclude the blacks they exclude browns the fats the uglies the days so there's always that exclusion yeah i mean i think this really highlights how encompassing

our community is because this really speaks to like intersectionality right we're talking about social economic status attached to your sexual identity which is also going to bring in encompass probably your racial identity too because who is going to probably be the most elitist y'all have I guess the white gays, the white gays, right? So like, that's what it is. Like think of like, when I think, when I hear this term, I immediately thought we ho Abby, that's where my mind went.

So some key traits of homoclassism is favoring affluences, affluence, prioritizing or admiring gay men who have money, designer clothes, luxury travel, or aesthetic perfection. Exclusion based on income, judging or excluding others for living with roommates, not owning property or not affording nightlife, events or bodywork, gym surgeries or skincare.

Cultural gatekeeping using vocabulary, references, or aesthetics that require access to elite spaces such as circuit parties, Fire Island, Fashion Week, you know, to belong. Invisible working class queers, erasure or sidelining of poor and working class LGBTQ voices in media, leadership, or activism. Do you think it also includes the Disney gaze? I feel like definitely. Quite sure they're up there. Yeah, because you have to have a Disney pass to date them, right? That's some money.

That's money right there. I don't have Disney money. No. Let's see. Examples in practice. A dating profile that says no fats, no fems, no broke boys. A gay bar where the cover charge or drink price is unaffordable for many. Shaming someone for not having a high-end gym body or designer clothes. And LGBTQ plus non-profit mostly run by affluent white men while poor trans or BIPOC folks are left out of funding, decisions, or storytelling.

Ever noticed any of these types of things? I mean, we all, I'm quite sure, see those type of things, especially like when you go out into the community or you're at events and things of that nature that's targeted towards the LGBTQ community. It's like, for instance, like if you go in, talk to someone like you, a person won't feel comfortable enough going to speak to someone unless they look like they get what they want, which is nine times out of 10 money. Right.

And so we go for these or the looks. So when people go for that, it's like superficial. But then like you putting yourself up there in regards of like, oh, like that's what I'm that's what I want to be about. Or you feel like, you know, I make this amount of money and this is what I want in a partner or in a relationship. And then you get into those relationships and then you find out that that ain't even it wasn't even tea, sis.

You know what I'm saying? So, like, you got into that because you wanted to keep up with the Joneses and that relationship wasn't the relationship that suited you best. Because now you're overlooking individuals that don't benefit nothing from you.

So like for instance You can go up to the bar and be like Somebody may come and holler at you But that person may not have The body that you want Or they look like they may not have The Prada shoes that you like Or you know like They just don't fit what you Attempt to want, And society and like class and classism. And you could have been missing out on a prince, a gem in a sense. I'm not saying a prince in reality, but a person who would have loved you for

who you are, a person who would have done anything for you. But you overlook that person because they didn't look a certain way. And nobody in the gay community, I feel like, give people chances in regards of just speaking and having a good time with individuals without expecting nothing from it. Yeah. And as a community would be so much better if we did so. Every time somebody go up and talk to somebody don't mean they want to fuck

you or gain something from you. Because a lot of people, when I first moved here, I do remember like, oh, like, what do you do? That's the main question in the gay community. Once you start talking, like, oh, like, what do you do for work? Why? Yeah. You get to know me as a person. Yeah. I was at a gay club in New York, and this person seemed really interested in me. And we're like chatting it up. And we're like, what's up? Hey.

And then they're like, oh, what do you do? I'm like, oh, I'm a musician. I'm an artist. I'm like, oh, they're also like some kind of artist. And then I started getting excited. I'm like, oh, I'm going to play at the subway. And then here's our social media handle and it's a new group. And so the social media, he doesn't have a lot of followers. So they saw the tiny amount of followers and then they're like, oh, you're playing the subway?

And they immediately just walked away, uninterested. See, they're uninterested. That's crazy, bro. And if they only knew what I was doing, you know what I mean? See, and that's shitty. Like most people, networking in itself is a, It's a gift. You know what I'm saying? Because in networking, you try to find the commonality between your businesses or your organizations so that you can try to help one another. Oh, yeah. We definitely need more of that.

I mean, because you do hear about those power couples or those gays that don't have kids and have nothing holding them down. And they're like making tons of money out there, but then not returning anything to their communities. To the community, right, yeah. That where their fellow community members really need the help, you know? But I also think like those people are also very privileged people.

So it's not like they, I feel there's that like pull yourself up by the bootstrap mentality in the queer community when it comes to that, when we bring up like, when we talk about rich white gays or just rich gays who have no kids and have all the money like.

Like that is a goal i feel in the queer community but the reality is that those people had help like they they were born into that so they had a leg up they had a certain level of privilege, yeah there's kind of like a lie to this whole like oh gays all have like this like expendable income and they just like have these like power jobs yeah rich yeah and have like no nothing like holding them back and they have like no children also they have no family members that's just them yeah

it's like what that's not really how it goes right because i feel like a lot of gay people don't have any money ever but i do feel like i have seen like uppity white gay rich white gays not even rich but just like they have more money than me and I definitely feel like there's different expectations that they have of like what people do and like how much money you're just constantly spending just like to like.

I guess maintain your friendships or like maintain your relationship like oh like we have to go and do all these like random things like like i remember like a couple guys that i had dated like they were always wanting to go and do like really expensive like events and like always like going out and like like going to dinner like all the time and it's like bitch like i don't have money to be going out like seven days a fucking week

and like going to this and that and this and that and this concert and this place and what the fuck like yeah the fuck and then them looking at me like oh like why are you like being like a broke bitch and i'm like because i am a broke bitch like what the fuck they should pay your way then yeah you would think but exactly if your friend wants you to come and if your friend can't make it or can't financially make it you find a way you will

want your friend to be there like all right shit well i got you this one I think the reality is people can't afford it themselves. Exactly. And that's the problem. And that's the problem. The fake rich gays. I hate that. Right. Ain't no telling. They sleeping in a one-bedroom with four roommates. Can't host. Can't host. Mattress on the floor. Renting cars and shit. And you just don't never know. But the facade of them look like they have it.

And that gives everybody else the indication like, oh, shit, they must really be on their shit. In reality, broke, don't have nothing to call their own, depressed, because they're trying to keep up with everything and don't have it. That's a lot. And I wonder if that's an L.A. thing, because I feel like there's a lot of people that I've run into in certain spaces and art spaces where it's like. Everybody's pretending. No, I don't think that's a L.A. thing because,

believe it or not, it happens everywhere. Yeah. It's capitalism. It's capitalism. And just like you said, some of them are born in it. Like, if you come from money, that's what you want. Yeah. And that's the lifestyle that you are used to. Yeah. But then you try to put that on your partner or somebody that you're trying to be interested in.

And then so you're like, you're not even putting the hundred in because you feel like, well, this ain't gonna go nowhere because we're from two different worlds. How are we going to relate? Right, exactly. But then it's wild on how we glorify these things that create separation, like Fire Island, right? That's in fucking New York. You have to get to New York, and they need to take the ferry to New York, and then find housing in Fire Island.

Whenever I hear gays talk about that, I'm like, what the fuck are you talking about? If it's just something you just go do on the weekend like it's nothing. Bitch, that's a whole journey. I mean, if you're on that side of the coast, yes. But if you in fucking Hollywood or L.A. And WeHo talking about, oh, yeah, I'm going to Fire Island every other weekend in the summer, the fuck? But I mean, what would even be equal to that? Going to San Francisco?

Shit, no. Go to San Francisco for cheap. Just drive up. Just drive up, right. You could do it right, right. There's ways to do it financially. Yeah. But like every single weekend? Oh, no. But also, once you get into the bars, you want like a $20 drink. Right? And then these like bitches are also spending like that too, right? A nice little pregame. I mean, I'm down for that. But homoclassism would say that we're wrong for that. I remember with my ex, I actually had to like tell him. I was like,

hey, I need to let you know. Like, I'm not the kind of person who has money. So I legit had to tell him that. I was like, I'm an artist.

And i don't not only do i not actually care about money right now like i don't ever have money and so like if you're gonna be expecting me to be like taking you this there and everywhere and that we're gonna have money to do all these fucking crazy shit that you're constantly talking about you want to do like i think you should think about that because i don't i'm not that guy who's gonna have that for you and so he was just like oh what like no it's not about that and blah blah

blah blah and then it's just like I was like okay well I'm letting you know and then it was like not even the first week of us dating I miscalculated my own funds and I didn't have money and I just didn't have a gig you know and like when I was living and working just like doing my old job which was like art direction stuff like I didn't have money all the time and I was just like I'm sorry so then like I we planned a date

and then like I like I had told them like oh let's go on this date and then by the time the day came i didn't have no fucking money, like literally not even anything in my bank account so it's like i was like i told them i was like hey i'm like i told you and i'm like i'm not trying to like be weird because like you know when you're first dating someone and you any little like weird thing that happens you think the other person's like you're

making up an excuse it's not real i'm like no it's real i'm a broke bitch and like. Sorry. I mean, he took it and he went with it. But I mean, it was it was definitely like something that like I'm like, oh, I have to tell you, like, I don't have money because there was a guy before that I had gone out with. And before he had even come down to see me, because he was living in San Francisco and he's from because I had met him in fucking New Orleans at Mardi Gras.

But anyways we he ended up moving to san francisco or some shit and then he was gonna come down to la and so i was like okay let's meet up but i want to tell you like like i don't have no money so like chill out and like i already knew that he's like this like uppity like white boy from university, that has money and wants to do things you know what i mean and wants to spend money to maintain I guess social in this like you can't take a rich person and just hang out and smoke weed and do

nothing at the house like that is what they don't do do you not know this you can't take a rich person I've never dated a rich person exactly but that's what happens is that that's not their life and you can't just take them to the house and smoke weed with them and chill out that's not what they're gonna ever do like you're gonna smoke the weed with them and then they're gonna go somewhere and they're gonna spend money and it's like really fucking annoying and it's like.

You're constantly on this loop of we have to go and spend more money at the next place and so and brunch and brunch and then oh no let's go get a coffee and then oh and then this and then oh and then like let's go see a movie and then oh well girl i don't have all this goddamn endless fucking funds like i don't have to tell you but oh yeah so back to the guy who had come down to see me i told him i don't have any money and he's like oh no it's cool blah blah so anyways we're going out and

he's but he we're doing all these things we're going all these places and like now he's looking at me like well when are you gonna chip in and i'm like bitch chip in for what the fuck i said i said i told you i'm broke and then i was like i don't know what you don't understand and that's when i realized that right like rich people broke is different than poor people broke and they have different like ideas of what that means like poor people broke is you don't have with dollars

in your bank account and rich people broke is you just over you just have to take money out of this part of the budget instead and cover it here and it's like no bitch i literally don't have any fucking money but he had got mad at me and then he was like acting all douchey and then he like started acting like a dick anyways i had to leave i had to end up leaving him at a bar good Oh, damn. Because I didn't have any money to pay for those drinks anyways. You did.

But yeah that's funny i once had that i was dating a guy and you know i i think no actually no back then i didn't have very good style i think my style is very recent where i can like dress nicely but like it was also just like a t-shirt and jeans like very basic right and he was all about name brands and like having expensive clothes and i i wasn't like still to this day like i don't give a fuck about name brands but anyway so we were just beginning our dating experience and we

show up to his apartment and his neighbors are having a party and t-shirt and jeans that's what i usually wear and he hears that he was like oh my god my my neighbors are are outside having a party i was like okay like everyone will meet them and he was like and he looks me up and down what i'm wearing he was like not in that i was like, I didn't say anything I just walked past him and I just go and introduce myself to his friends.

I know it didn't last very much longer after that, yeah that's a fucking red flag there was a many and she was colorblind for a little while. Damn, there was a guy that i had gone out with and he lived like on sunset boulevard and i met him at akbar and then i want to say you were there oh akbar i love akbar and anyways we like.

Exchanged numbers and then we had gone on we decided we would later go on a date and then so i met him up at his place and then as soon as i get to his place he's on the phone with i guess his work and then he's just like continues to be on a call for like the next like 30 minutes as i'm just like like wondering like how long is this fucking phone call supposed to fucking last bitch like i was trying to be polite by like letting you finish it up and i'm just like what the fuck

is going on here so like this bitch really just has me sitting in his fucking apartment while he's on a fucking phone call like what the fuck is this anyways where's i going with this oh his, homoclassism well at some point of the date he was very like machisimo and was like trying to treat me like his wife and then at some point he told me that that he would marry me and that but i need to go back to school and get like an education

and something and i was like what the fuck i was like i already went to school bitch yeah wow and i had already gone to clarinary school so i don't know what he was i know he wanted me to go to university oh you want to go to real college. So I guess he was willing to fund that, which is not a bad idea, but bitch, like, that wasn't my idea. And that just feels weird because when you get in relationships, you do want. The relationship to be a back and forth, right?

You do it for me, I do it for you, vice versa. Yeah. But when a person inflicts that shit, like, oh, like, I want to do this for you. Like, I want to pay for this. I want to pay for that. Like, that shit feels weird. That feels like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I don't want you to, I don't need that. I do. Pay for all my shit, please. But then, but that's how we, and that's fortunate, but also everything comes for the price.

Oh yeah you know what I'm saying so I know it I mean I wouldn't mind being, but why are you paying for all this but right right because it's always a motive like especially if it's like, forceful but you know like if it's like oh okay like something here and there you know like they don't go out their way to make sure that you that they financially take care of you and remind you and things of that nature because once you start

reminding shit like well then you didn't do it from your heart so then what the fuck, yeah I don't have that kind of like capacity where like you can buy me something and I'll feel bad I'm like, no, bitch, you bought it. That was your choice. God made you do what he did. I'll take the money, thanks. Right. And this is all contradictory because I am looking for a sugar daddy. You know what I'm saying?

Got some things to work through, girl. Right. I might be a conflict with my damn self. I know, right? That's true, though. That idea that there's so many rich gays out there with that expendable money is not true, right? I think there's a lot more poor of us than there's rich of us. Yeah. I mean, it's just a facade, right? Like I think everything's on a credit card. I was going to say that. Okay. Or stolen. Or stolen. Shoplifted.

Or boosted from one of your one night stands. Or a really good bootleg. Oh my God. I got robbed once from a hookup. See ya. I found my wallet in front of my, on my doorstep with the money gone, but the wallet was just there on the floor. What? Yeah. That's crazy. I remember when I was in, back in Ohio, I was, you know, I was on the app and shit.

This is way off of classism and in our community but like a motherfucker like if you needed 25 i would have just gave you 25 like but i was like oh like i'm gonna go and buy some some weed, and he's like okay i'll be right back i'm about to go upstairs i'm like it's been 30 motherfucking minutes like call phone off go to the app ain't nobody on there like i'm like oh shit that's crazy bro I got gaffed for $25 for some weed like I would've gave you $25 dude and we could've just smoked

and shit I'm just trying to meet cool people but, gaffed gaffed. Y'all gays need to stop playing games not with the gays, Touche. Have you guys ever judged somebody over not having something like money or a job or an education or something? I haven't. And I try my best not to, like, even pass judgment on anybody without knowing them. Like, once I get to know you as an individual is when I really start to, like, use my judgment.

Like, regardless of, like, I've met people who got money. I've met people who ain't gotten shit. I met people who got like four goddamn name brand cars can only drive one at a time. But OK, I digress. But I go off your energy and your appreciation for life. You know what I mean? Just like treating people with dignity and kindness. But regardless of what you have, because I didn't met motherfuckers who got all of that and are a piece of shit.

Yeah. And vice versa. So a lot of people who have some shit, a name brand shit, financially wealthy and great heart, great mind and body and soul. You know what I mean? And then I met people who ain't got shit who's broke and their spirit is broken, too, because they are shitty to other individuals. Yeah. Yeah, I've had friends. I've had I've had friends who have asked me for like like a loan or whatever, but it's just like, oh, here you go.

And I don't expect it coming back. But then it does, and then he brings tacos. You know, so it's like, all right, cool. The universe will make sure you have it, because my grandma always told me, like, don't lend out no money in expecting it back. That's facts, though. Just give it from the heart, and it will come back to you in tenfold. Yeah, that's true.

And it has. I think, and things that are outside of, like, cash money, like, I like reciprocity, because I think, like, yeah, we'll go buy you a few drinks and stuff like that. But if I'm always buying drinks, then, like, girl, what is this, you know? Right. Oh, yeah, you can always tell when somebody is using you. You know what I'm saying? Like, that shit ain't cool. Yeah.

But then it's, like. I have friends who, like, I do buy the drinks when we go out, but they do, they give back in other ways. Right. You know what I mean? Like, they give in ways that they can. And so it's, like. Yeah, that's good. Yeah. So I have friends who are, like, you know, may not have a job and don't do this, but I'll go out of my way to go pick them up from their house because they're a fun vibe. And then they give back and they're like very kind.

But then if you won't get nothing in a transaction, it's just like, wow. No, and it's not even transaction. It's just energy exchange, like in all relationships, not because it has to be transactional, but because it's like called an energy exchange. You know what I mean? Like symbiosis, like, you know, this person gives this and that person gives that. And that's how we all work together, you know? But if you're just always giving, then it's not symbiosis, it's parasitic.

There you go. Now that was a word. Parasite. Parasite. I guess I used to only want like Richie's only. So I guess I was delving in my own form of homo-homopacism. Because I was broke anyway. So like I was like, well, I'm a starving artist. So I need somebody to be my, what do you call that? My patron. Yeah, I needed my man patron. Your sponsor. My sponsor. So, yeah, I was just a broke gay looking for a sponsor, essentially.

And so I would be like, when I would be hunting for guys, because I would just be hunting online, you know, looking on dating apps or whatever. I'm like, okay, what's your job? Okay, makes a lot of money. Great. That's great criteria. Thank you. Thank you. I mean, if I met somebody who didn't have a good job, I wouldn't tell them no if they were hot. So it was like a give and a take. But I guess I was.

But I mean, it ultimately went to bite me in the ass. I mean, I ended up getting my own daddy who I did love at the time. It wasn't like that, though. It wasn't like I was using him kind of a thing. It was like, oh, I am broke. And yes, you are paying for literally everything, but I am giving you that extreme energy exchange. And I actually am not, I am not, I am not like a sugar baby. I'm like your wife who doesn't have a job. I'm your housewife.

Yeah. That's it. That's every straight relationship right there. Exactly. So, I mean, it wasn't like it was some kind of weird fake thing. So you kind of have those relationships where you do literally pay for everything if the person's broke. Was it the age difference too broke people can love you too no we're the same age we have the same age oh okay I just assumed mm-hmm. I mean, I am with somebody, but I didn't judge him on this criteria of money.

Yeah, I agree. I feel like I don't. Yeah, a lot of people block their blessings due to trying to keep up with how much money a person make, how they look, you know, body type, all this other stuff. And you're missing out on something that could be magical. We only get one life, so you should live it to the fullest. So just based off somebody's financial criteria or their appearance, I can understand everybody has a type of shit like classism. Go ahead and nap that shit in the bud.

I think it's also like it's very like traditional to kind of have that that mindset, the classist mindset, you know. So like we're the queer community. We should really work on like getting rid of the aspect, really work on like truly being queer. And the more and more we are latched onto ideas that are part of tradition, part of the norm, the more like clouded we are, the more on kind we are going to be to people, to our community. And racism. Yeah, that too. That part.

Because that plays effect in it as well. Like the classism part of it, like of it all. Yeah. Well, it's all rooted in the same thing. Right. So, like, patriarchy, classism, racism, all of those things are rooted in these ideas that there's a certain hierarchy. And we had to break free of that, you know, like, these hierarchies that we create in our minds and that have been taught to us.

We have to find a way to liberate ourselves from that because that's, it's imprisoning, you know, like, you do believe and you do fall for that other people are less than, you know, like, you know, I think, like, for the unhoused, like, you know, or for other people, it's like, POC or immigrants. You know what I mean? Like you can believe that these people are not worthy enough. And well, you know, like some people say like, well, they should just do things the right way.

And like, that's the classism right there. Like, you know, it's like people are being punished for navigating the world when the world like imposes itself on people all the time. And so I feel like us as queer people, you know. But how can we liberate it? Like, how can we break ourselves from this un-fucking, like, it just feels hard to break yourself away from what's been ingrained in us through, like. Society itself. Yeah, yeah. It's just like. Well, I think it's like.

Yeah, it's hard to do because you have to be exposed to it. Like you have to be exposed to something to get you out of it or else you're not going to see it. You're not going to see the hyper, what is it? The need to spend money. Like the need to spend money. Like you were saying earlier, Nino, you're like, oh, we got to go to the movies. I want to get a coffee. Now I want to go to this. Now it's the I want, I want, I want, I want.

And it's like instead of the I wants, we should focus on what I have. Well, what do we have? What can't we do? Can we do something that doesn't require spending money? Can we hang out without spending money? Can we go and take a walk every week? So you said that you prescribed to this homoclasm or a version of it. So how did you break free? What questions did you ask yourself to help you get to where you are now? Well, I had experienced life in the fast lane, I guess.

Too fast or furious? It was too fast. I think it was too furious. And it was just kind of like it was literally just kind of like this like lifetime movie where it was like this is all like insane and now i have to pack a bag and run away with the dog in a taxi in an uber and so yeah i think just experiencing it and like understanding.

Like realizing like oh this isn't just like one person who's gonna be like this this is gonna be like every single person who is like maintaining this lifestyle is like a psycho bitch like like none of these people like in any of these like rooms are happy at all and they are all like, soulless and all these people who do have like money are are all still searching for their ayahuasca moment and it's like that's what they truly want is that like oh i'm gonna go into the tribes and be

one with nature and it's like well bitch well why did you spend all that that time chasing money because that's obviously the opposite of everything that you're what you're looking for allegedly which was like also the plight of my ex also is like I had actually had helped him quit his job and realized that he hated his life basically, and tried to help him set himself free but but they internally just have this like crazy desire to You...

Be better than everybody else and the only way you can be better than everybody else is to show off how much money you have and that you have a great job and you make a lot of money and that's how you're and the only it's like the number doesn't matter it just has to keep going up yeah your bank account number that reminds me of like that queer exceptionalism you know where we will have to prove ourselves to our family so we got to make

a lot of money yeah i feel like a lot of queer people have that urge and that need to prove themselves worthy yeah also like the urge of like them i guess just wanting to escape like the the thought of like who they were or used to be like possibly being shamed for being gay and being so embarrassed of yourself and then you have to be better than everybody else to show them and then you just like take on all these like horrible like i guess traits yeah yeah well i think it is that

what you're talking about the the rich people seeking the ayahuasca moment speaks to the lack of balance. Because I think, let's be real, everyone at this table, if we got like $50,000 or even like $10,000, like five, that would alleviate a lot of stress. I think there's an appropriate amount of rich in which you can have that is not exploiting, that is not... How do I phrase this? I think you could be a certain level of rich in a way that is not taking from others.

And that's still not accurate. I can't quite explain it. But I think once you reach the extreme in which you're participating in this homoclassism, then you're on that far right extreme in which money is so important and that's your sole focus and sole drive. So, like, in gaining that, you lose connection with everyone. And what does ayahuasca do? Reconnects you. Like, it's literally nature that you're kind of shooting into your body.

So, I think, like, it's about finding that balance of finding the appropriate level of taking care of yourself, you know? Yeah, I think the reality is, and to survive in this capitalistic society that we're all forced, that's been forced on us. Like, I think we understand that money means freedom. It's okay to want freedom so you know that money gets it to you, gives it to you, but it's not okay to then fault other people for their financial situations because we're all born into this.

Yeah because it's really easy to like shit on other people when you have money like because after i finally went into construction like i finally got some cash in my account i'm not saying i'm rich but i'm just saying like i feel like i'm at least up and it feels so easy to just like when people like get shitty with you it feels so easy to just be like well you know what you don't have any money and you're a broke dumb bitch and goodbye and that's like the clap back that is

like also praised all over like media and social media and everybody wants to be the mean girl and have like that like viral clap back moment right yeah and it's like a white refrigerator.

Bye yeah and that's another thing that i noticed with the gay or queer community is like, no i'm just a gay community gay men community is that they love like shit like mean girls and like when mean girls came out i felt like there was like a huge attachment to like let me just be a completely shitty bitch and like this is my personality now because i think it's funny to be shitty to other people which like attaches itself to all those other things that are like those classist ideals yeah yes

what are you going to be shitty about yeah because your look what they choose to dress like. Yeah, find something to differentiate. But I think to expand on something that you said where you said that like when you became a construction worker like there was more money in your bank, like that was my experience as becoming a doctor. Like obviously becoming a doctor and doing my work professionally like completely like.

Changed my experience of like money and the amount of money i had in my account like it was beautiful but then it felt like i came from one rung you know to a to another rung but like on the lower end so it was like it didn't feel like much of a like improvement you know it's like yes like i have a lot more money but it's like like where is it you know like yeah it's like you have it this week yeah all right it's wild but next week you probably

won't yeah whereas like these other folks yeah these richies and but i think that speaks to the difficulty of like, of of the social climb the difficulty of like of the expectations it is to be like a certain high level like it's so much work to get from one rung to another and even when you get to another one it's it doesn't still feel like enough yeah the social climbing aspect i feel like i was definitely like wanting to date guys who are like interesting in that way and like guys who

were like doing like entertainment industry stuff i'm like oh like are you an actor yeah that could be fun but that makes sense that was your field also yeah true but i also felt like kind of social climbery when i was thinking about those kind of things i was like a social climbing little slutty bitch look twink demon definitely a demon.

Look at that full circle but yeah after like living those experiences i definitely was like oh no i'm actually the one with the better mind for some reason i don't know how, what about you what have you ever, I came from nothing so shit I never expected nothing in regards of financial you know what I'm saying like I grew up very middle class very like, family-owned food stamps, got government assistance, things of that nature,

then moved into middle class, was able to still live paycheck to paycheck. So, like, money don't really do nothing for me except pay the bills that I have to survive. You know what I mean? So, like, money is never, like, I never go after that. I mean, it's a thing now that I'm in the community, you know, like Sugar Daddy, you know, I never really thought about that when I was in the closet.

But like that becomes a thing now because one i'm around these individuals who have that extra in not that extra income but that disposable income but also like i don't like my ex had disposable income and was trying to not force it on me but like also like oh like hey i got this for you like i don't i don't need this like why you i appreciate the thought but like it just you know like i. Always grew up without needing and wanting because my needs was met with the bare minimum so that

extraness in regards of like gift giving I know there's some people love language and shit I can understand that but like gift giving and just like just randomly yeah they were appropriate but it was also like ah I don't know but I think if your love language is gift giving you had a certain level of privilege in your life you know like, more than other people you had to learn getting a gift yeah right but then again but then again you know like it's not a bad thing

it's not a bad thing but also some gift giving like you ain't got to go on bad enough to go ahead and make me a frame like I'm but how many times is gift giving like shit that people make very rare I mean it's very rare very rare yeah yeah yeah yeah anyway mm-hmm, Interesting. Yeah. Give me gifts. Yeah. Send them to QueerLBC. Send them. QueerLBC. We love gifts. Yeah. We do. And donations. We'll give you a P.O. box.

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Do better, y'all. That's my thought. yeah educate yourself i mean i feel like that's like the main mentality like when you get on all the apps right it's just like who's ever the best at all in all facets is the one who gets talked to and anyone who's like not does not i guess yeah i mean i think there's definitely correlations between kind of like being pretty and having money because you gotta afford the gym and you for the time to have the gym. It's more the time to have the gym.

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