Grindr Killers

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Today in What the Fuck, senior fellow at American Federation for Children placed on leave after alleged porn appearances. Also, the Heritage Foundation president reportedly said he killed his neighbor's dog. And also in what the fuck anti-LGBTQ plus GOP candidate Mark Robinson expressed an affinity for trans porn, CNN reports I thought there was anything wrong with trans porn but do any of you queens know about any of these things?

I do not. I heard about that guy and his like crazy, the black Nazi man.

No. No, a black Nazi man. Oh my God. Yeah. So Mark Robinson. Oh, he was running for the governor of some state, right? Yeah. I want to say. Oh, that guy. Like somewhere on the East Coast. Okay. So let's see.

This is from them. North Carolina Republican gubernatorial candidate Mark Robinson, previously the subject of a bombshell report, alleging that he once patronized the private booths of an adult bookstore upwards of five days a week, is facing new accusations of anti-LGBTQ plus hypocrisy after CNN unearthed a pornographic message board account that appears to have belonged to the GOP politician.

The cnn k file report published thursday after fever speculation among the political press about its contents tied an account with the username mini soldier on the adult website nude africa to robinson demonstrating that he used the same alias across multiple social media platforms in comments posted between 2008 and 2012 robinson alleged allegedly announced himself as a black nazi and wrote that slavery is not bad among several other controversial posts which many of

which use racial and anti-lgbtq plus and anti-semitic slurs wow let's see, mark robinson has also argued that trans women should be arrested for using women's restrooms and cast doubt on a number of jews killed by nazis during the holocaust the new the news outlet referenced multiple comments in which the user had expressed an affinity for transgender porn with this provided as an example.

Robinson, currently the state's lieutenant governor, has previously referred to transgenderism and homosexuality as filth, in addition to past statements supporting Holocaust denialism and endorsing a strict anti-abortion stance long beset by scandal, including a 2022 admission that he had paid for an abortion in 1989. So he's been a problem since the fucking 80s. Robinson had been trailing in the polls behind Democratic opponent Josh Stein, who currently is serving...

How did they get the abortion fucking records? I mean... Isn't that not like kind of like medical records? It's journalism. Yeah. Anyway. You have the right connection before break KIPA. Exactly. The gubernatorial race has taken on added significance. She knows. No, I don't. On added significance amid a closed presidential contest between former President Trump and Kamala Harris, with North Carolina positioned as the key battleground state.

Ahead of the CNN report, Robinson released a video statement to the conservative outlet National Review, later posted to X, maintaining that he would be staying in this race despite rumored pressure from the state Republican Party to drop out. Robinson repeatedly denied to CNN that he was a mini-soldier on nude Africa ahead of the article's publication, calling his contest salacious tabloid lies.

Well i'm confused that you are like a holocaust denier but you're also saying that you're a nazi so you you agree with their stances but you also don't think that they even did what they did what do you get from being holocaust denier like why would people make up that right like, let's go through it i'm gonna deny that this ever happened because i want my people to be seen as not genociders but like girl but it's crazy because it's

also like bitch you you know it's real and like but if if y'all are nazis and you're saying you're a nazi like.

What what do you stand right why would you be right exactly stand for not killing the jews as a nazi or like what do you well well the reality is like being a nazi is not localized to judaism being a nazi is this idea of white supremacy and this idea of there's this ultimate race and everyone else is not part of it who doesn't look like you so i think but homie you are not that either like how are you black and a nazi like it doesn't make sense i'm not going to accept you they are

like i had this co-worker too and he was like super trump and i'm like looking at him i'm like bro though like your mexican is like you're mexican your wife is mexican like you don't know how this works yeah i don't know people don't understand how this how white supremacy works yeah so that's one layer of him yes just one just one you know i i don't of a problem that he says he's a perv and that he goes to adult bookstores and and does his thing there like

that that's cool like get your get get that but like if you are saying that you enjoy trans porn and but then you're anti-trans like that is problematic that that's not okay it doesn't really make sense it doesn't but also we need to acknowledge that like pornography in general has a tendency to dehumanize people as well you know but i also think. About like my own weird porn that i watch and i'm like i don't see the need.

To out to publicly like disown that, right like i'm gonna admit that i like watching guys piss on other guys i'm not gonna be like we need to outlaw pissing right yeah you're not gonna say we need to get away all the troughs away from the fucking gay bars right i don't get it outlaw golden showers right extreme self denialism right so sad so i'm sorry that you have internalized everything literally right internalized racism internalized homophobia you know choice transgender ism

like come on transphobia but what a mess what yeah that was wild indeed but also and what the fuck the firing of their school choice advocate, Corey DeAngelis? Yeah, what was that? It's Klet Do. So he's an education researcher known for his vigorous advocacy of school choice. Has been fired by his primary employer, the American Federation for Children, better known as the AFC.

A person familiar with the situation tells Reason, the magazine, DeAngelis regularly feud on social media with supporters of the education status quo, including Democratic politicians, media figures and teachers union leader Randy Riggintran. But he is currently at odds with some allies who have turned on him following the revelations that he previously performed in a pornographic film for gay audience.

The trouble began on September 20th when the conservative sub stack current revolt called attention to his history with the porn industry. Several conservative organizations then rescinded invitations for him to speak and AFC fired him. Corey is no longer at AFC, a spokesperson for a group told reason in an email. We wish him well in his next endeavors and we remain focused on our mission to expand educational opportunities for families, particularly low-income families across the country.

He, DeAngelis declined to comment, but he wrote on X, former Twitter, as an activist, I'm just gonna throw that in there, as an activist for parental rights and school choice, my passion is personal. Just like everyone else, I have made mistakes throughout my life, learned from those mistakes, used that as an opportunity to grow and tried to channel that experience into something positive. I always, I was a victim of poor decision and poor influences.

I have turned that experience into the fuel that fires me to save young people from being put in the same position I was put in and hope and helps parents protect their children. I will never stop fighting for what is right. What is happening to me is a classic example of cancel culture. He is being punished for regretted incident from his distant past from that has nothing to do with his current job.

That's true. I mean, this facts, but conservative organizations may well have morals clause in their contracts and they are free to hire and fire at will. But any institution that purports to oppose cancel culture yet refuses to work with him on this bias is engaged in hypocrisy. Read that part again about what was it? Moral? Moral clauses. Moral clauses. So conservative organizations may well have moral clauses in their contracts.

So, like, basically when you sign on with a company or organization, they will have a moral clause. So, like, if you do anything that's immoral that they see fit, they have the right to fire you. So, like, let's say, for instance, if you beat your partner and you're fined or jailed for domestic violence, that's a moral clause that can be inhibited onto your contract. So, yeah. So is he a conservative or is he just working for a conservative organization?

I think he was just working for... I think he is conservative, one, but I also feel like they really didn't, I feel like this, he's very anti-LGBTQ plus activist.

So that's what it came about. So people's like, how are you going to be so anti-LGBTQ when you perform porn or did porn for the gay culture? That we paid your rent. Right. Sis. So, but he's saying like, well, you know, he's trying to backpedal and say that he made bad decisions. I mean, you're granted to do that. But my concern is like, how is a moral clause not illegal if your morals are based on a religion that discriminates against gay people?

Like, are you not just discriminating against gay people? Well, it sounds like these aren't quite like companies, but maybe like organizations.

So if you're like a non-profit and you have a certain like focus and scope i think you have a right to like if you're a private entity you can discriminate to the extent like look at the people who who like the business owners who are able not to sell cakes to like gay people because it violates their morals so there's probably something along that line because the organization was the american federation for children so i guess you being in porn and them bringing it to their attention,

they was like, this is not what we want our. Organization to be tied to. I'm just curious if it was a straight person doing porn in the past, they would have fucking fired them for that. Because they don't sound like that. I'm quite sure. I don't know because... Because some of these teachers have been in straight porn who has been let go for their OnlyFans being discovered. You know what I'm saying? Oh, yeah. I've heard of that. Yeah. So a lot of women, but I ain't heard of a lot.

Well, no. I think if porn is so taboo still, which is crazy, that individuals just feel like, you know. But also, like he said, like, if he really did have this, like, epiphany, like, can't he go and change his life? And like, what the fuck? Why does my past really need to follow me? Like, if I did porn, it didn't really hurt anybody. It's like I murdered someone. Yeah, that's true. But they also saying like, look, but you're now fighting for anti-LGBTQ rights. Yeah, that's problematic.

So that's problematic. Like, well, you also benefited for the LGBTQ community. Yeah. So if you benefited from it in the past, don't come and try to knock it for the people who pay your bills, like you said.

You know what I'm saying? you know what's so funny is i actually i want to say that that video came up on the porn site that i look at really what does he look like here let me show you a picture i didn't actually i know i mean i probably would have he looks like every other next twink okay i mean if he was on grinder and hit me up i probably would have said yes but like i did it but it's funny because i i swear i saw like the thumbnail of his porno that came up because it's

probably just topical but i didn't watch it because i was like i'm not gonna give you money dumbass that's fine exactly yeah i mean again like i don't think there's anything wrong with the fact that he did porn like get it get your bills paid but if you are advocating for anti-lgbtq issues then that's problematic because like like i said we literally paid your bills and you're out here then telling us that condemning us and then setting up regulations and laws or advocating

to like take away our rights no that's It's not okay.

It's giving white guy who listens to rap. But he wants to lock up everybody. Yeah. That's pretty much saying what the fuck. Fuck that. Man. But I feel like these stories really point to the idea of like, everyone is gay. Yeah. It's right. And if we just didn't shame it, then everyone would just be happy. Come on. Let the motherfucker get his rocks off. Right? And don't be dicks to the people who get your rocks off. Right. Is that easy? But it's like, how did you guys not, one, vet him and, like,

figure that out already? Exactly. And, like, you all just found out later? But also, like, who's doing, like, what they're doing, like, the search when you do your references and shit. Oh, yeah. Like, when you're doing a background check, that's not coming up in your background check because they're not looking. They're looking for, like, crimes. They're not looking like, oh, okay, like. Also, his name was probably not even his name, right? Yeah. Right, yeah.

That's also true. you're not gonna see like yeah johnny hardcock so you do watch it.

Because that was the stage but yeah that's crazy so they don't really go looking for that but now i'm surprised that they don't do like a dark web search on motherfuckers now but like what are you gonna do like like look at four years ago kovid changed the world right and a shit ton of people went on only fans and just fans just for us fans or whatever it is so like the vast majority of people are now sex workers because people had to pay their

bills i didn't think about that so what are you going to do like what are employees going to do in the future like everyone has it almost has the only fans everyone probably has like a gay twitter that they post their videos to like everyone to an extent is like a sex worker you're fucking right though because the truth is if you aren't if you have a hot body and you're not selling it online,

you're going to be looked at as a dumbass at this point, right? Like, Most people who I do see online who have, like, a hot-ass body, they're all on OnlyFans. Not one man. Not one gay man with, like, a porn star body. Not even just gay man. Straight man is getting into the gay fucking culture just because the money is there.

I mean, bitch, if I ran for president, you would probably have some freak coming out of the woodwork showing my fucking ex-Tumblr fucking videos that I tried posting, even though nobody was trying to watch. You know what I mean? Yeah, like every single person has a fucking naked video out there at this point. At least at millennials. Yeah. From us down. Done. Tragic. But I think that also points then to like, this is a momentary problem. You know, I think in the future.

Right. It's going to be like nobody's going to care. But it's such extreme hypocrisy because, hello, you have Mr.

Pussy Grabber admitting he grabs your pussy on camera. Still vote for him. No one gives a fuck. But then the gay guy does a porno. I mean, well, that's an underlying homophobia of it all. Right. It's because it's gay sex. But he's not, I want to clarify, he's not gay. Oh, yeah. But you can have gay sex without being gay. Right. Obviously. Correct. But also, he don't classify as that. But the main issue is that he is going against LGBTQ legislation.

I don't know. I'm trying to defend him. Because it seems like you are really down for him to be hired. Well, I guess it's just.

I mean i'm against the anti-homophobia of it yes right but i'm also against that the anti-sex work of it all right exactly yeah it's very it's a very intersectional topic i want to defend his evil ass right but i don't i i don't want to defend it i want to defend the fact that you can do porn and still do your job that is unrelated to porn exactly but i don't like the fact that like that it the reason why it's being targeted is because it was gay porn yeah that's problem yeah

you're a problematic person who did a good thing doesn't make you a good person. Did one good deed by having sex with a man. What's next in hypocrisy basically uh here i'll just give this to you, More. It really is. The Heritage Foundation president reportedly said he's killing his neighbor's dog. According to the report in The Guardian, Kevin Roberts told colleagues at a dinner party that he killed a dog with a shovel because it wouldn't stop barking.

What the fuck it's giving republican it really is after weeks of lobbying accusations of pet killing at haitian immigrants republicans are facing allegations of killing dogs within their own ranks kevin roberts the current president of the far-right policy think tank the heritage foundation they also do project 2025 they do that who was who has been called the architect Oh, architect of the Christian Nationalist Project 2025 Policy Blueprint,

allegedly told colleagues two decades ago that he killed a neighborhood dog with a shovel because it was making too much noise, according to a report in The Guardian. Yikes! Yeah, he really made the comments at a dinner party in 2004, according to the attendees who spoke to the news outlet. But at the time, Roberts was a history professor at New Mexico State University.

He became president of the Heritage Foundation in 2021 and went on to spearhead the Project 2025 agenda for a second Trump term, which includes detailed plans for getting queer and trans rights. Beautiful. Wow. That's horrific. But it's crazy because also in that article, they were saying that like multiple professors and educators remember hearing a story like this from him back then. So he's like bragging about it. So he was bragging about it back then. Right.

So now that people are bringing it back up, he was like, he's denying it. It's completely untrue. But in 2004, a neighbor chain pit bull attempted to jump a fence into my backyard as I was gardening with my young daughter. He said, thankfully, the owner arrived in time to restrain the animal before it could get loose and attack us. So that's what he's saying what actually happened. But people remember him saying that he killed it.

So the guardian was able to find Daniel Aron, whose mother lived next door to Roberts in Las Cruces, New Mexico, and who bred and sold pit bulls. I've always been a dog lover and an animal lover since I was a little kid. I've always had dogs, he said. When I asked if a dog went missing around 2004, he said, yes, definitely. My dog, Loka, my little female, who he said had been his favorite. He added, I had one female and that was her. She was little.

She was a little thing. I wish I could say, yeah, I know this fool did that, he said, but I can't tell you that. But what I can tell you is that my dog went missing and we never found her. She wasn't at the dog catchers. And so one of Robert's former colleagues also told Guardian that Robert's head mentioned considering killing puppies owned by a neighbor as well. So this man just has a, this is wild. Dang. Like killing pets is like sociopathic level.

I'm shocked that this like hasn't made like bigger headlines i feel like a lot of people are like very pro-animal where are you at pita oh yeah and like i have not heard about this actually anywhere yeah this is the first time i heard it like but go ahead no i would say like anti-social personality one of the early warning signs is that you hurt animals and this is exactly what this is i mean you see what he's trying to do to the humans yeah exactly right i

mean he has no no reverence for life obviously do you guys ever known anyone who's killed an animal no no well not like like not like that yeah like probably yeah like a chicken is one thing yeah goat was one thing but like a dog to because officially like just try to go and kill a dog yeah no like you know probably like a hit dog but like.

By accident but like not like intentionally i can't even barely kill a like a pest like a roach or even thinking about like a rat trap like horrifies and disgusts me so for you to pick up a shovel and be smashing its brain because i've seen little clips you know of like psycho people like ladies in high heels smashing like a kitten have you ever seen videos like that no they make shitty fucking videos like that and so like there's like definitely a market for like.

Torture murder people are fucking crazy i don't know if y'all heard about this but this was probably about like two months ago there was a person going around fucking shooting dogs at night they was like people would like let their dogs out in the yard i think it was like in maryland or somewhere on the east coast and somebody would like go and just drive around and just fucking shoot them jesus i think he did like the five animals i was like this is people are fucking

crazy yo i believe that he would kill an animal like that i mean i feel like i know a lot of angry white men who don't see animal life as being equal so they'll just be like i don't give a fuck i'll smash the fuck out of that dog i remember one time when i was walking home with my friends and this one guy who was not my friend there was a dead cat and he kicked the dead cat and it was like what the fuck i was like not only is that fucking weird but

i'm like what i don't understand people like even if being dead you know already dead like shook the fuck out of me like to see something somebody do something weird like that but then to imagine like an animal is still alive and you're just killing it because it's too much no these are the people in charge yeah y'all want to hire these people is it and this is like a christian foundation right like it's disgusting i can't all sin is equal bitch don't know your own religion.

What else is in this stupid world. What about was it thailand yeah that's something cute i think cute.

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Towards equal rights in Thailand. And we're all delighted and excited. We've been fighting for our rights for over 10 years. Only 10 years? I'm just kidding. And now it's finally happening. Prime Minister posted congratulations for everyone's love on social media platform X, formerly known as Twitter.

Well, that's great. I know. Thailand has had long international reputation for tolerance of the LGBT community and opinion polls reported in local media having shown overwhelming support you know what I mean I don't want to sound rude and weird but yeah I mean Thailand is very well known for their ladyboy stereotype right yeah are they have a they're the hydra do they have the hydra population or is that hydra population is it I need a I need a phone I don't know

if it's thailand but i know there is asian country where there are people like they call themselves hydras and they're people who transition to live as women some of them get gender affirming care some of them don't but they are able to live freely as themselves and they're kind of accepted by society they're a little on the fringes but it's not like.

As like what were i trying to think they're not as like discriminated against i believe, apparently chat gbt doesn't really know about this it says or hydras hydra h-y-r-a because i thought you were talking about like spas hydra likely refers to hydra organisms and their unique biological characteristics it might be philippines actually edit this out if it's the philippines no worries because it doesn't know where it doesn't know anything about this as saying

but And I guess the term is coming in is, especially in terms of their ability to reproduce asexually. Hydras are fascinating in this regard because they don't fit into a conventional gender or sex categories as they reproduce through budding a form of asexual reproduction. Some species also have the capacity for sexual reproduction where they can produce both sperm and eggs, essentially functioning as hermaphrodites in sexual. That's what JatchiBT is using this word.

But yeah it doesn't understand what i'm talking about when i'm talking about, but while we try to look at that i hope that it doesn't go towards that you know, how do i say this without sounding like an asshole we can edit it perfect, i don't want because i feel like a lot of straight american men like to go over there and fetishize the community. The lady boy.

You know what I'm saying? So I feel like out of hope that they don't go over there and like, floodgate the fucking fetishize it and then try to marry motherfuckers and try to like okay now maybe I get dual citizenship or some shit like you know like I don't want I don't want it to, I hope that it would be and I don't know how they would be able to do that you

know what I'm saying? Like, Make sure that that person is part of the community and not just some fucking wanker from the America trying to get dual citizenship or just, you know, fetishizing. You know what I mean? I get what you're saying. Because, I mean, but I feel like no matter where you go, like, weird rich white people are going to fuck shit up. Yeah. So they can get their marriage. Yeah, I'm fucking fortunate. You're right. But in another Asian country, it's in India.

The india subculture there's hydras and hydras is are essentially individuals who identify as like trans intersex or like eunuchs and they're like an officially recognized third gender in some indian cultures and they live in communities and take care of each other because i've always heard about like india having a quote-unquote third gender yeah but then i only ever hear those literal words they have a third gender yeah they're called hydras did y'all not watch the movie monkey man so it was

a movie that came out but that was part of that it wasn't part of that but in part of that movie they had a culture where they protected each other and you know and they got their energy and their love from the gods and things of that nature and they helped the person who i'm not gonna was i ain't gonna spoil nothing because it's been out forever so he wanted to kill someone who murdered somebody in his family but they was able to bring him back to life like you know you know

take him out of the uh society and into his community and you know they brought him back to life fed.

Him and stuff like that and they protected him and then when he went back to go murder the the main motherfuckers in the main city they helped him and he watched out for them and he gave them like he stole all the money from the rich person who was at the top of the building and dropped it off at neighbor doorstep and went on about his business but yeah like they was deflected they were not deflected but they was what do you say they was depicted depicted in the

film interesting yeah monkey man that's cool i mean great for thailand i think that this needed go thailand we know you've been having gays forever right about time i also like what gay uh sex tourism for surezies oh yeah because yeah like i definitely unfortunately due to like the way that america works i guess i don't know i associate thailand with sex work culture like when i think of the word bangkok i think of sex work culture it's because obviously we have depicted

it that way and it's probably because of like the vietnam war and that's what. True they experience soldiers doing that yeah but then also it's a rich white men who go there and travel for business and what are they going to do right voyeurism yeah exactly tourism sex tourism is that what it would be called yeah sex tourism yeah yeah sus, There was one more thing that we had. It was, but it was kind of sad. Like, let's leave.

Too sad. Leave off on a good note. Why? As we go into the next topic? I mean, well, right. It's all right. Well, you queens need a break. Are you thirsty still? No, I don't think I'm thirsty anymore.

Yeah, I'm no longer perched. All right. I think these queens have deserved a break. Yay. All right, we'll see y'all soon.

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. And we're back. So today I wanted to talk about Grindr Killers. Have you ever had a hookup that felt like dangerous in the bad way? Like not a fun, sexy, dangerous way, but like I need to be worried for my life scenario. I'm out. Well, let's get into it. I also wanted to talk about some cases. Yeah, like true crime style. Be gay, do crimes?

Do true crimes? go off queens ever been in danger ever been with a dude that made you feel scared or off or just like something's not right here i haven't i'm kind of because also if i did i probably if i go with my instinct and i'll just like probably turn around or just like oh something came up but i haven't in that sense felt like uncomfortable or felt like something might jump off do you ever have a sixth sense like yeah like i'm gonna just avoid before you go no i

haven't had it happen but it has happened before it'll happen a lot but i think this was like when i was still like in the closet type of thing and you just never know because online and shit you just be like oh you just going on people's word and if i catch you off if i get a bad vibe been said if it's like nah i'm good what about you doctor have been in a dangerous situation yeah two come to mind oh shit uh yeah right so there was one time where i was like running errands and i just

happened to like turn on grinder and me me and this guy started chatting and, we happened to be like very close so we met in like the parking lot of the store i just got out of.

And the conversation on grinder was like it was fun it was great like it was like there was no reflection in the conversation like it was enjoyable right so that's why that's why we met that's why we met in like the parking lot and just like chilled and then he wanted to mess around i was kind of like i don't know i'm not sure and but anyway like we somehow like get in his car and we agreed to go to some place to kind of like chat and like maybe mess around.

But over like the course of like that conversation or while we're in the car he just got like super aggressive. And like even when.

He was just like come on like he was just trying to like really kind of beat me to do what i didn't really want to do and it was to the point i'm just like oh fuck like i'm not anywhere near my car or like maybe a mile or two where i am from like i don't even know what i'm going to do like so like it was kind of one of those moments where like i'm just gonna like do this because i don't know what's gonna happen if i don't because he was like really aggressive at that point and then some point

like i was just like nah i can't anymore i was like no you need to take me back to my car right now i don't feel safe i don't feel comfortable like just taking me back and like he drove me back and then they just like parted our ways it's just like overly sexual like trying to like aggress you yeah i was like over aggressor like he would like like hold my head down or like he would like we're chatting and he like grabbed

my well i think how it started was like we were talking and there was no indication that we're going to do anything yet and like but he like grabbed my head and tried to bring it down into his lap and i was like, oh wow bro yeah and it's like like no context yeah just like come on and it was just like no like that's not cool yeah and at that point we were like so far away from the car too so i think it was just one was like oh like what am i gonna do like

i like it was and there was a moment so i kind of just like gave in and it was one of those things in the moment it's kind of like i should get out of this and it was kind of like it happened and then like.

It was actually like a story like not a lot of people know about because i remember like a few years after that i was watching i was watching this like netflix documentary and it was about like people who do pole dancing and they're talking about how a lot of them got into pole dancing to reclaim their sexuality and reclaim being in connection with their body because a lot of them have been like sexually assaulted and there was like a scene

where they're sharing kind of their assault stories and like i heard some assault stories i'm like oh my god i was like sexually exalted and i didn't even like know it you didn't even realize yeah that's crazy yeah that's crazy i feel like i've had an experience like well not that but like knowing like hearing someone else's story and be like oh shit i'm actually i'm i'm that sipping person like, i could have been fucked up i don't know any other situations like that and

there's another time where i went to go meet someone and like i pull up and it's like this like hella divey.

Motel like the the parking lot's not paved the paint's coming out of the off the walls, just hella sketchy like the entrance to it is like in an alley like all the red flags all the red flags but i park i'm just like okay there's like a sign that says killer that was the only thing that was missing and i sat in the car i'm like okay what like am i gonna do this like i like i already knew i'm like this is already a bad idea so am i gonna do it or not but

i decided to do it for whatever reason and we i walk in there's like all the lights are off it's like pitch black so the only light coming in is from outside and like the door closes behind because i just like i'm walking in and then like i'm trying my eyes are trying to adjust and then like, they start talking to me and the door closes cause I just let it go. And it was like pitch black. And I'm like, I see nothing.

And I was just, and then finally my vision comes into like focus, but like, there's like this whole other part of the room that I can't quite make out. And I'm like, what the fuck is someone's over there? Like this person on the bed right here. Like I can't see in that far ass corner. Like what, what am I doing? And I just remember doing, I'm just like, fuck, like, okay, fuck it. And then I just did it. And then as soon as it was done, like I left.

Yeah. yeah so like when you're in this dark ass place yeah like how did you find it he's just like well i was able to the light like peeked into the bed so that was fine okay but like the the issue was like there was this like fork there was a corner in the room or like the whole other side of the room where the light wasn't reaching so like even when my eyes adjusted like you couldn't make out what was there like you couldn't quite see because it was just it just felt like like a

deep dark hole like a boy so i was like i don't know if anyone's there like over there right like there's this person that we agreed to meet you know this door is closing like how am i supposed to know like i'm not gonna get robbed or i'm gonna get mugged or something's gonna happen like what's on the other side yeah what's on the other side i can't see i can't like visually make so the place was a like a motel oh okay yeah it was like this super diving

motel the entrance was was in an alley the like yeah it was it was hella shady from the get-go murder hotel it would do yeah that's what my thought was i'm gonna get murdered here this is gonna happen the base yeah yeah oh my god that's wild yeah so those are those are two probably like scariest like hookups i probably had.

I'm trying to think there was one guy that i hooked up with so my friend one of my friends, her and her family they went out of town to the philippines or somewhere and they're like can you house sit and as a gay that means have sex in my house with men so i was like yo house sit girl don't worry so i go over there whatever and i go on grinder of course and i invite some guy over to my friend's house while I'm house sitting and he's cute and he comes over and yeah, he's cute.

But for whatever reason, I just got like a weird vibe. And he was like.

Acting also like just kind of like weird like quiet in like a way that i feel like his brain is thinking more thoughts than he's saying and i'm just like he's like giving me weird vibes but at the same time like i'm horny so i'm trying to get dick i don't even care because yeah just like any red flag i'm just like what i don't see that anyways so he's giving me like funky vibes the whole time and it almost doesn't feel like he wants to even be there with me but he's

like still staying with me and then he's telling me that he's gonna spend the night and i'm like okay even though he's still giving me like funky vibes and because he said that he so he had said he had got dropped off right so he got dropped off so then huh by who i have no fucking clue he got dropped off and so then i was like yeah you can spend the night because back in those days i really didn't give a shit i would spend the night with whoever the fuck i met that night i don't give

a fuck i know like i was whatever anyway so i'm like yeah you can spend the night i don't. Care so we're hooking up and it's still feeling like weird and awkward and like we both feel like we both don't even like it but we're still hooking up because i guess that's what you too and then we go to sleep and then it was weird because that night i had just had this crazy dream that he like was like attacking me the guy that's listening but it was weird because like.

Yeah he was just like really weird because when we were like hooking up he was like forcibly aggressive on me right so in my mind i'm like does that mean that you're like me or like you're so aggressive towards me that you want me so bad but you're also acting really negative towards me so i don't get it like what anyways so anyways i go to sleep that we go to sleep and i had a really weird dream about him anyways the next morning wake up drop

him back off home somewhere you dropped him back off home yeah because yeah yeah he asked me that morning right i thought was rag gonna come back and get him exactly so he shook me with that and he was like oh can you me off and i was like oh fuck like i guess like where the fuck do you live so then i have to take him somewhere in fucking almani fuck and i'm fucking in norwalk so that's kind of a little trek i mean it's up to 605 yeah i mean i was not trying to bring him back that it fucking

in the morning anyways so whatever and he's like okay just drop me off here and here is not a house it's like the random street so then he just continues to walk so you know so i don't know where he lives i guess yeah so i'm like whatever get the fuck away from me so awkward so fucking glad that this is over right like i felt so weird and awkward the entire car ride like it was just quiet and weird anyways then the next day.

I go to yogurt land and I open up my wallet to find that my cards are gone. My money is also gone. And then I went to go look at my bank statement. And it said that motherfucker tried purchasing a paid subscription to grinder with my card, which didn't even go through. And then something else, he tried to buy something else. And then I had to actually report my card stolen to the bank. And then they asked me, Oh, like, how do you know they were stolen?

How do you know you just lost them? And I was like, because I know who stole it. And they're like, you do? And I was like, yes. And they're like, can you tell us the situation? Because whose name? It was like, I don't know his name. And I told them, I was like, I don't know who he is. They're like, how do you not know who he is, but you know who it is? And so I had to tell the fucking lady at Bank of America that I invited a grinder hookup to my fucking house, and he ripped me fuck off.

And then I had to fucking get a little story from her about how I shouldn't be so trusting of everybody, and you shouldn't be doing that, and just be safe.

Gay culture and i was just like you know exactly i know i know i know i felt so shitty in like every way possible like what the fuck not only did i have a shitty hookup i also got ripped off and now a random lady has to tell me about how what the fuck am i doing with my life what are the choices you're making but yeah he made me feel really like unsafe like i felt like He could have harmed me physically because he was also bigger than me.

And you know, the craziest thing was, is like years later, I randomly saw him at the Citadel. Dang. The Citadel outlets in commerce. I was just there for my sister or whatever. And I seen him walking and I just felt like ghost white. And I felt like my heart dropping. Like I was like, that's... Did y'all make eye contact or you just seen him? I don't remember if we did or not. But like my heart dropped and my stomach felt gross. And I was like, oh my God, that's the guy.

So yeah that was weird And then there was other one time That I didn't feel like I was gonna get murdered but I definitely Was Being raped Like so I went, It was like one of these nights I got wasted in downtown Long Beach somewhere. I want to say I was with my uncles. And then I like lost them. And I met some guy who was way bigger than me. And he was like being really aggressive, like acted like he wanted to marry me that night.

Anyways, like I told him I didn't want to have sex with him while we were like in his house. Because I still went to his place.

And then he still stuck his dick in me, even though I was like, no. And then I was like, no. and then he still did it and it hurt a little bit and then i was like and then he went into the bathroom and then i literally ran away like i literally quickly gathered all my clothes put them on and then literally wasted on my mind ran out of his fucking apartment don't even know where the fuck i was and i have no idea how i found my car but i did and i wasted as fuck still drove all the way fucking

home because i was like scared i don't know why and i i probably even if i saw him today i probably would not be able to recognize him yeah you've tried to block it out that's fucking wild bro i'm sorry but it was crazy but like ultimately i don't think of that situation.

Like i don't have like trauma from that because i think i was technically also raped a second time in my apartment in la and there was this guy who he came to my apartment and like the situation was i was gonna top him and he was gonna be the bottom then all of a sudden he was super crazy aggressive and now i'm the bottom and then i'm like what no i'm not gonna try to bottom and he like spins me around and then he puts the poppers right in my face and then basically shoves

his dick in me and i'm just like and it hurt too and i was like what the fuck and then he was fucking me and i was just like fuck and then it was very short because i like got him out of me and then i don't even remember how it ended and then he actually gave me an std too oh.

Cause I went to the clinic after that and then yeah, I had got like chlamydia or one of those easily curable, curable ones. But I was like, bitch, it could have easily not been curable. That's true. But I also don't think about that situation either. Like I really only thought about it like again, in the context of telling me stories.

Yeah. But like the same cause like, but I wonder how much that is like, not because it wasn't traumatic but because like how like being raised as male body young men like we have a different relationship with sex and i feel like sexual assaults and rapes get downplayed for for for us you know yeah and a lot and you know what's so crazy is when i actually did tell like gay friends about this a lot of them did make jokes and they're like you know you wanted it girl yeah exactly and

then add on the context of being gay you know yeah i'm like bitch like i'm literally telling you like.

I something that i didn't like after the millions of stories that i did tell you that i liked yeah and the one story i tell you that i didn't like now oh you wanted it and like bitch are you really trying to like what but i think it's also feel like it's like that's how the culture is too right it's a victim blaming you know like women get blamed for their rapes you know and it's like we know what are we doing we're inviting strangers into our house we're going to random people's houses you know

but like just because we do that doesn't invite non-consensual like intimacy right exactly that's crazy because even though those are like and that's crazy because like i'm gonna use the word technical rape you know like how proponents use it yeah because in my mind it feels like a technical rape because it feels like i didn't feel like psych like insanely traumatized by it or like i don't like think about it and cry or even like really feel bad about it yeah i don't

know it's weird anyways i guess it's kind of off subject murderers rapists but falling under the same category yeah i mean what's to say that they couldn't murder us and i did meet them online on grinder no actually the first one I didn't.

And that's kind of like anyways, let's get back to the Grindr killers. So we didn't die, obviously. So none of us have died. But near attempts. But near attempts. Definitely been in a lot of crazy situations where you just ignore red flags. Like I do that all the time. Like completely just ignoring red flags. Good thing you got booed up. Good thing I did get booed up.

Everybody on Grindr is horny. Yeah. And everybody is ready. So And you're not thinking because you're not thinking with the right brain. So I feel like a lot of people, unfortunately, are willing to allow anyone to come into their personal space. That's true.

To get off granted you feel like you have that trust because you know a few words on social media make you feel like you should open up your right exactly i don't know you as a person but you feel that connection via the you know via the chat it almost feels like a secret right like oh have agreed yeah the community norms right right and that's crazy because you don't know this person from a from a fucking penny on the ground yeah exactly so it's like what the hell but yeah people

allow these individuals or allow people we all do unfortunately allow people that we don't know that well to come into our personal space and we just never know how it may turn out that's true though when you put it like that it i feel like it opens up more thoughts right because like so like you're saying like we just immediately trust them right because that is how it works like you go on grinder and then you see one picture and one name which can both

be fake as fuck and then you're in this conversation steps up into into who the fuck.

Is this person you have zero idea who the fuck that is right and then i don't know but it's like you said like the immediate trust is there right yeah and like i do trust those people in my mind right when i'm talking to them i do trust at some degree right that they're not that they are who they say they are right and that like the person on the other side is that hot headless torso and then like when i go there it's going to be them and not some psycho killer who i don't know

who doesn't even look like this person yeah right but yeah i think that's really interesting is like and that's i guess how we keep getting honey potted and shit like that yeah like that man in qatar who like got caught by the police oh yeah it's because you immediately just put that trust in those people right yeah you don't know who their person you'll send your booty hole but i think it makes sense right like it's just community this is like evolution of

like public cruising for like the people our ancestors right for for the older generations sorry ancestors.

Accept it but like this is the same thing when they're cruising in the parks you didn't know right the person could have done the same thing but like now this uh this is an advancement with technology so like i i think we just are under the impression that you're gay we're gay we're having the the best interest of each other in this and there's community norms and guidelines to this and i think there are to an extent but of course there's going to be outliers to that so i

think that trust is warranted because like we see ourselves as a community but we should still be cautious we should most definitely ever hearing like of like these stories of like crazy grinder killers ever even made you guys feel like yeah of course fuck yeah i mean shit i i remember Like even That's probably why It never happened to me Because I remember Like growing up When Kids used to get kidnapped.

You know, not to switch it, but you know, like shit, when it's like Stranger Danger, and like if you got candy, you know, shit, back in those days when kids used to go missing, that always played a part in my mind. I was like, I don't, if I don't know you, know you, I'm not about to invite you over. Now, I might go over to your crib, but the way I'm going over, only thing I'm bringing in is my fucking car key.

Everything else is in my car, and I already gave my friends or my roommate, the location of where I'm going, phone number, the way I contacted you and all those things. So I use precautions in regards of making sure that somebody will know where I'm at if I don't come back. You know what I mean? Do you think it's safer to go to someone else's house versus your own?

I think, to me I do because I usually because I would, I'm a bigger guy so like I'm not really going, I'm not fucking like 6'7", 6'10 motherfuckers.

So like, I mean, I'm using that as height I'm not talking about the amount of people well I mean then does that make you even feared at all I mean if you're only fucking like five foot twinks right you know what I'm saying so like shit right but you never know cause you never know cause they could, be imbalanced and have a. And have a firearm or some shit you know what I'm saying, so yeah I never looked at it like that I always used my height and my build,

to make sure that but I did used to fuck this one guy who was about the same size as me and we had tussled a few times i mean sexually not you know but also i was like whoa i don't know how how i feel about this so i usually tend not to you're not like a bigger guy to do you feel like i don't know vulnerable right and i don't think i'm i've mentally mentally allowed myself to accomplish that yet but i'm on my way i'm on my way and you dr mikey would you rather go to a house or be at your

house i'd rather host because like i know the environment i know who's there i know who's not there i know escape routes like i just feel more comfortable being in my environment because i go to someone's house like i don't know who's there like i don't know this house like what if this shit is booby trapped i don't know like. I mean that's fucking true too though shit for me like it just it's more comfortable like hosting, Well, after my research, I have found you are both wrong.

You'll get killed either way, bitch. But I have a better fighting chance at home. True. They'll find your body at home. Yeah, exactly. Someone will know I'm missing. You know what? I'd rather my last resting place be home than strangers. So that's true, because if you go to a hookup and they kill you in your house, there's a chance you may never be found. That's true. But if they go to your house, somebody might come to your house

and be like, where are you at? Yeah, exactly. So I was reading this story about a Grindr killer. So the story basically goes, guy hooks up with the guy or invites him to his house. The man then kills him in his house and then stays in his house. And that's basically how they caught the killer was, I guess, this person who died. His coworkers ended up going looking for him because they're like, where did he go?

And they found his horrible scene inside his house blood everywhere and you know and the killer was still in the house just living there damn that's wild fuck he's just squatting wow. And i also noticed like a lot of these like gay killers turn into cannibalism for whatever reason there's like so when i was looking up the grinder killers at least two of them They said one of them, their victims was, let me just read the article.

Which about the one, Stephen Port? I'm talking about Kevin Bacon. Oh, ugh. That's wild that his last, right. His name is Kevin Bacon. Kevin Bacon. So this is from The Advocate from 2022. A Michigan man convicted of killing, gutting, and eating the testicles and other body parts of a hairdresser he met on Grindr has been sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole. Mark Lutunsky, 50, pleaded guilty in September to the December 24th, 2019 murder of Kevin Bacon, 25.

Lawyers for Lutunsky had previously contended that the man was mentally ill and unfit for trial. As a result, Lutunsky's confession, Shiawassee County Judge Matthew J. Stewart was tasked with determining whether the crime was first or second degree murder, and he ruled in October the crime qualified as the most serious premeditated first degree. On Thursday, he sentenced Latuski to the maximum punishment allowed under Michigan law. Michigan abolished death penalty in 1963.

In your sick, twisted mind, you probably don't think you did anything wrong, Bacon's mother, Hannah, wrote in a statement that was read at the sentencing hearing. The Daily Mail reports, this Christmas, I hope you suffer like I have. Bacon, a successful hairdresser and student at University of Michigan, Flint, had told his roommate on Christmas Eve of 2019 he was meeting a man who had been speaking with on Grindr.

Bacon was reported missing the following day. He did not show up at his parents' house in Flint for breakfast with his family on Christmas Day. Police discovered his body the following Saturday, December 28th, Bloomfield Township, more than 20 miles from his home. Bacon's naked body was found suspended by the ankles from the rafters of Latunski's basement with stab wounds in the back and neck of his body mutilated.

Letunsky was not unfamiliar to local police, who had been called to his residence multiple times in the two months prior to Bacon's murder. In October, a New York man told a 911 operator he had been awakened to find himself chained in the basement, believing he had been drugged. Police received a second 911 call a month later in November after a bloodied and terrified man sought help from Letunsky's neighbor.

Latunsky was found wearing nothing more than a leather kilt in this incident, and no charges were filed in either incident. Latunsky was married twice, both ending in his divorce. His former wife, Emily Latunsky, had filed a motion in court in August of 2019, seeking to suspend his access to their children.

The motion stated he had been diagnosed several years earlier with major depression and paranoid schizophrenia and personality characteristics that he often failed to take prescribed medications. He had been he had been arrested in the previous month for failing to pay child's support and spent four days in jail.

Anyways so that's one story that's wild but that's crazy that he was, diagnosed like that a couple of years before and then that guy Stephen Port a British serial killer was convicted of murdering four men he met through Grindr between 2014 and 2015 he drugged his victims with GHB and dumped their bodies near his home in East London, so that reminded me of this guy who i met up in weho who was trying to get me to take g,

hb for the first time ever well i've never had it was the pause for me first of all the g hb and so i already told him i was like i just drank and he still wanted me to take it so i'm like bitch i'm gonna die so i'm like thinking back i'm like you just want to drag my dead body out of here? Because you don't give a fuck. No fucks. That's wild. So you gays should be a little safe. Oh, and there was a one because I think that happened like in what? 2014, 2015?

It was one that was more recent in 2023 that you had put on here. It says that an Alabama man was sentenced Tuesday to life in prison. This was back in June without the possibility of parole for the murder of a man he met on a gay dating app. Sobrante Rose was found guilty May 19th of the murder of Johnny Sohiki's 58. Sohiki's lifeless body was found in a ditch in a partially developed subdivision in Mobile, Alabama, with a gunshot wound to the head.

October 25th night 2019 rose used grinder to arrange a date with sohikis for the purpose of robbing him but ended up killing him instead rose is heading right where he belongs behind bars for the rest of his life the mobile district attorney's office posted to facebook following the sentences.

Based on the markings on so basically it was by sheriff office said that rose was captured on surveillance video forcing so he keys to withdraw money from an atm around 3 a.m the day of his murder birch also indicates that so he keys fall back in the final moments alive based on the markers on the body we believe he felt fought back birch was quoted by local nbs nbc da da da, police said rose used grinder to lure other victims as well we do know that rose was using the grinder

app to reach out to people and that's ultimately what he used to get mr so he keys in the vehicle with him birch told local cbs he revealed investigators had roads under surveillance when he was observed with the man he had met on grinder believing the man to be another intended victim and fearing for his safety police quickly arrested rose outside a sex shop where the two men had driven i believe the guy was intended victim birch told the

news station and talking with him he was very embarrassed but grateful yeah and they basically said that he put a lot of vibes that he wanted a relationship while also asking about the location and functionality of the security cameras at his home so it's just like right yep so like that's what like when you feel like the vibe and like come on now number two you're like safety do you have a good life insurance, and can I get on that policy real quick that part.

Wow that's crazy but they also said that which quite sure this what a lot of people do when I'm quite sure it's still happening People are doing stuff with men and also using them finding out their routine and going back to their houses and stealing stuff Obviously, i'm not the only one i'm not the only victim but grinder issued a statement regarding the case We extend our deepest condolences to the johnny clark so he keeps loved ones amid this heartbreaking incident at grinder We are deeply

committed to creating a safe online environment for all of our users. We take a number of measures to protect our community, including banning user accounts that violate our community guidelines, redesigning our in-app reporting process and providing a safety guide. We also listen to and engage with our communities. We continue to assess our practices and implement new measures to provide a safe environment. So that's that with Grindr. In-app reporting?

Right. What the fuck are they talking about? Where you can report a profile. Can you? Yeah.

Like flagged? Yeah, you can report them. You can flag them. and be like hey they said this it did that yeah but one thing that i know that are new that a lot of people use is sniffies and sniffies is just another easier way to get people to meet you somewhere why is it easier because i feel like because that app right there alone knows what the purpose is for because they use the grinder and tinder and all that as dating apps sniffies is what it is

and you know what it is it's not a dating app it's not this it's not that it's a culturally hooked up app for cruising it's like you're ready for now right it's now uh fuck it.

So with that being said there's a lot of places where people use in communities where it's quiet dark and you know not accessible quickly you know i'm saying so you probably have to go take a hike or you know a walk through the woods or some shit like that and unfortunately those places are also a place where you can also get hurt we was talking about it earlier you were i think you had noticed that there's a particular place in long beach yeah so on sniffies like there's like

cruising sites like marked places and one of the marked places is the forest park and when you click on a profile of a cruising spot it pops up and there's like a chat feature where people can post and be like hey i'm gonna be here they can post in the comments and stuff like that and so i just happened to like click on the forest you know just out of boredom and on there there's this post and someone is saying they're like what the fuck was that some guys coming down

the riverbed yelling what are y'all doing and everyone takes off running and her gunshots y'all be safe man Mm-hmm.

Yeah was there any other yeah so then one person was like hey can anyone confirm this and then someone posted i fucking ran got my knee scraped that shit was scary he shot twice and then another comment was did you get to see him that was so random i wonder if he was drugged out or was he just out to get the gaze and then someone else posted like after that i hope everyone was okay it was so scary i ran for my life literally i don't know if i'll ever be back he had a gun.

And and then like way later in the evening after that happened someone posted this and they said warning pay attention and verify what i say last night a guy was bashed in the face with a baseball bat at willie park i was at chateau park earlier in the year in koreatown i saw a street gang member pull out a gun everybody ran that's why the park was shut down because the gang members who lived in the tents in the park didn't like it at water park was

shut down because gang members started robbing gays and threatening them and he said then this guy, had the gun i think he doesn't like the gay activity in the park same as all the other yeah.

So basically what this sniffies account is alleging is that a man with a gun went to go to the riverbed no the park so yeah the forest park is like right next to the riverbed okay so yeah someone ran down from the riverbed shooting into or shooting towards the forest park or shooting just in general but like making obviously reference of like drawing attention to what's happening in the park so somebody who's mad about gay hookups is trying to shoot

and exterminate them or get them out of the area and scare them that's really crazy yeah so that's what happened like this and then they said that somebody got their face beaten in with a bat another park yeah And I'm just wondering if any of these people are reporting any of this to actual authorities. No. Exactly. But at the same time, it's like all of these stories that I'm reading also, nobody ever reports anything. Like a lot of them, they say, I don't even want to press charges.

Yeah. And it's because what? One, I guess you're doing something you shouldn't be doing. But at the same time, like there's this embarrassment, right?

Because you're gay and then you have to explain to an authority figure like how i did on the phone with the bank lady that you're your whole gay thing yeah that's like uncomfortable as fuck yeah hello and so like definitely probably keeps people from reporting these things but even if you're doing that shit you could have just lied bitch and be like i was just walking right somebody just beat my face with a bat like you don't have to admit i mean they're gonna investigate it

eventually and find out you're lying so you might as well tell the truth well i'm just saying like Report your fucking gay bashings, y'all, because the FBI also put out a thing saying that gay fucking, what is it, homophobic...

Crimes or what is it gay bashing is just on the fucking rise like hella but there's just so many people who don't report it either like even before this little sniffies thing you told me about i remember you guys were telling me about some other shit that people like got their ass beat or something or maybe guy told me anyways like somebody got like gay bashed and then they never even reported nothing but i'm like y'all should just report shit but yeah

then also you just like freaking never know so what does that make you guys feel about like the apps after hearing like this little shootout I'm always you don't care right it is you go you go off your instincts I follow my instincts you know I'm saying I'm gonna follow my instincts to the day I die so if if I get a bad vibe I'm just out you know I'm saying fucking sniffies but you know as I'm on the sniffies now. Is there any tea on there? Tell us some tea.

Ain't no tea. It's just dicks and ass, what you want. You know what I'm saying?

Let me see. But yeah, it's very interesting. Do you feel that the media and law enforcement treat crimes against LGBTQ people differently than other victims? I feel like if I was to go report a sex crime against me, which I would never do, obviously. Even though you advocated for it just like five minutes ago. Even though I advocated for it.

I feel like I would, one, not do it solely because I don't want to explain my gay life to the authorities, and I feel like they would immediately not take anything I said seriously anyways. Yeah. But I feel like if a straight person was going through a sexual—well, that's another thing. Straight people who have sexual traumas also aren't getting attention. Yeah. So I guess that's just the culture. Yeah. Yeah, but I feel like I definitely don't want to, like, I'm less inclined to tell.

Yeah, I wouldn't want to go to a cop and report it. Well, first of all, like, I don't even want to talk to a cop. But then second of all, it's like, I feel like these are, like, the most patriarchal, like, part of the patriarchy. Right. So, like, no, thank you. Like, I'm not going to go tell you this. Exactly. Right? Like, they are the patriarchy in, like, humanized form. Yeah.

So yeah you don't want to tell the straight man yeah this guy who i was trying to like yeah up with i i got in the car and i told him no but he just kept forcing me like why did you get in the car if you felt like exactly exactly and that happens with with you know everyone right right victim blaming it's that you know you put yourself in the situation especially because like being a man like you feel like you should be able to take care of yourself and that's the way like a

lot of straight people also portray like if you ever think about like a domestic violence situation amongst gay men i feel like i always hear straight people just being like why don't you just beat his ass back to even fight right but that's also go for well not trying to protect the straight man right now but like also when men get abused by women yeah they don't want to report it i think it's just like a man like you know our pride or our you know what i'm saying

or like in that sort to take care of yourself. Right, yeah. I just feel like it's not gonna be taken seriously. Right, exactly. In both ways. And it's like, yeah, shit fucking happened. Motherfuckers be putting their hands on people. Yeah. But you gotta report it. But yeah, it's all about safety though when you do go out there and use those apps and those things. I feel like Dahmer would be a grinder killer. Yeah, he would. I mean, oh, he would have all over the place.

He would have been a traveling grinder killer. What do you think about like them like hotening, making him hot? Like there's controversy that allegedly the guy in the Dahmer show was like hot and that they're like sexualizing it all. I think people find Evan hot in the first place. Like, yeah, people just assumed he I mean, he's just a good looking guy. But also they didn't make him look that much different from what Dahmer looked like back in the fucking 80s.

You know what I'm saying? like he may hit a better fucking jawline but like yeah it's kind of weird you know what i'm saying even like the argument of like oh you shouldn't be like i guess romanticizing or like making these murderers hot like the menendez brothers thing yeah like but at the same time there's people who literally like write jail people like letters like horny for them yeah yeah so like what's really the difference but i feel

like they're well for me like when i look at the situation like i don't think there's an issue with like casting evan peters as as dahmer you know like i think his attractiveness doesn't take away from it but i think the issue is like, the the content of the episode and the way those scenes are shot they were very like.

Sexually charged you know like i don't think it was an issue for me like the issue isn't like what the main actor looks like it was like how the scenes were portrayed where it was just like this very like sexually violent being where it felt very glorified instead of like okay so i never watched it yeah but oh okay yeah it made it seem like it was glorifying yeah yeah it was just a very interesting take on it you know sus but i think that's that's also like ryan murphy style and i think i

definitely like been like oh girl you're problematic she's very gratuitous, do you guys know about that killer john wayne gacy the clown right he was gay right yeah he was gay it was funny because i was listening to his story earlier too and it's very sad like the way he grew up was basically super closeted and like his dad basically wanted him to be like the manly man and like he basically wanted to grow up doing like

femme shit but I guess he was like shunned from doing that and then I guess he found like. Relief in the magic of makeup through wearing clown costumes like many gay people do with makeup and he said that he felt very relaxed and basically like when he could like clownify himself was like when he like felt safest which i guess sounds like pretty normal when you think about like how drag queens are yeah anyways but then i guess he just turned into a murderer.

And i'm like girl why do y'all why do y'all gay killers always kill gay people like why don't you just kill the straight people who cause your pain doctor you have any thoughts on this like why do we turn it against ourselves well that's what we all we internalize everything like the society is very individualistic so instead of seeing the environmental impact like we're we're always consistently taught that like there's something wrong with

us at individual level like that's what these diagnoses are depression anxiety is is a finger pointing of like you're the issue and this is what's wrong with you instead of the recognition that like the world is crumbling and falling apart capitalism sucks racism sucks like homophobia sucks and that you have terrible mental health because of that is there like factors that make killers are you born a killer are you born waiting to turn into a killer or are you

just one day you snap and kill i mean and then become a like for serial killer specifically i'm thinking yeah because there's like obviously there's different degrees i guess of murder premeditated versus manslaughter and so, i guess manslaughter is more like an accident yeah.

Yeah yeah and then murder is definitely like something you thought about and then no well there's two different like the two different murder charges technically there's like premeditated and the one in the heat of the passion so like murder one and murder two i forget which one's which but there's like two different legally versions of murder but i for for people who tend to be serial killers from what i've seen in documentary in the documentaries i've seen

about like various serial killers a lot of them have severe trauma and it's not just like severe like one-off traumas it's like severe developmental consistent trauma throughout their lives like talking probably since like neonatal like when they're in the mom's womb if not that like as soon as they're out of the womb like trauma you know and trauma changes our brain and that's the one thing i've seen kind of consistently throughout that makes sense there's a lot of gay serial killers

they're constantly putting us all through drama that's true shocked i haven't but that sucks though.

Have you guys ever murdered anyone, i peeped the fluff i have not i have not i have not i'm a lover not a fighter but i would beat your ass i've never been in a fight like i can definitely not i've definitely not killed anyone, i've never been in a physical fight either you know i always thought about like if i'm ever like in the zombie apocalypse or some shit like that i'm like oh my i'm not gonna be able to like even kill like a zombie but technically they

already did it's true that's the mindset you have to go in i'm sure your husband would have fun doing it for you christoph is ready, has anyone made like a grinder horror movie i think there's there has i don't know i don't know if they have i haven't seen it you guys didn't advertise it well enough come on get on i also don't watch anything. You know what's so funny is doing the research, I found like a couple, there's like a couple gay true crime podcasts or stuff.

Let me recommend the one that I found. It was pretty good. The channel is called True Gay Crime. Listen to True Gay Crime for good gay crimes. For good gay crimes. I love that. Serve. Any other murderous thoughts? I don't have any because I don't really. I love her. Right. Love her. Cover that. I don't have, I don't know. Be safe out there, y'all. Follow your gut. Mm-hmm. If it gives you bad vibes, just follow it. Yeah. Go home and jack off and call it the night. Right? You ain't got it right.

You know what I'm saying? Like, you don't. Do you really need that? Right. You know, jerk off and then, Ben, if you still need it, get that. Right. If the lust is still there.

Then make it happen but other than that go ahead and go about your business okay so let's say we're giving advice to a young gay and he's ignoring all the red flags like we all do, and he goes into the house what like let's say yeah what would you recommend like if you're if you're giving advice to somebody who walks into a space that feels fear and they feel like the, aggressor isn't gonna let them go anytime soon like what do you do in that situation like i feel like you

the same way like just kind of comply yeah and just do what they say so they don't make them angry yeah because it's almost like if you do make them angry will they kill you i mean it's like look what they already did like what what this is not if this is not the peak i don't want I don't know what the peak is. Yeah. You know? Exactly. Like, let's try to, like, keep us as low as possible. Yeah. So, like, let's not make our angry friend matter. Yeah. And then I guess just...

If you have that shit in your gut and you're just like, I need to go, don't even be worried about being polite, bitch. Yeah. Because how many people have been polite to you when they just block you for seeing your body pic? Right. But you're in the house of a murderer and you're trying to be polite? Right. Girl, run. Fuck those feelings. Fuck those feelings. Get the fuck out. Yeah. Start to scream. Start making noise. Make a lot of noise.

Yeah, that's true. That's the only thing I can say is make a lot of noise. Because people nowadays, they get their ears to the ground and nosy.

Like the worst case scenario is you feel something bad and you say you know what i need to leave and then the guy's like what and you're like he's like why are you being weird and then you're like i need to go and you get out and the worst thing is right he's not a killer what who cares like good you got out it like you still follow joe instinct get out like even if he wasn't a killer bitch you're still in the gold like yeah don't worry about hurting no one's feelings yeah fuck out

i would say to a young gay is find some ho friends so that way you can like share your location with and let people know where you're gonna be i think that's super important because i think that provides a certain level of like security and safety on its own you know that's true yeah one of my girlfriends she always shares me her location so when she goes on a date she, knows that I'll find her dead body. That's good. But yeah, that's the best thing to do is share your location.

And then it's like, with gays, you're like sharing location every single day. Just keep it on. Just keep it on forever. But also, that's probably why Sniffy's is good because it's so always geotabbed. So I think that even if you do go somewhere and hook up with somebody and if you're still messaging via Scruffy's, I mean, Scruffy's. What is it called? Sniffy's. The new app. They should be able to pin your location and everything. So that's good. That is good. But talk.

Let the people know where you at. Mm-hmm. All right, gays. Any other murder thoughts? I don't have any more murder thoughts.

Don't do it. Do you guys watch true crime shit? I don't. No. What do you think of people, doctor, who watch that to calm down? Is that actually weird or is that not weird? You know the answer to that. You know what I'm talking about? Yeah. You've seen the studies come out. You're a psycho bitch. Right.

I wouldn't call that individual a psycho, but I feel like it is very interesting that you're finding regulation in this regulation because I know when I watch those shows, I mean, it's just my experience because every person's nervous system is different.

But when I have sat down and tried to attempt to watch these murder shows, like i like feel anxious like i literally feel like my nervous system kind of escalating and it's just not like a very pleasant feeling but there are some people you know who find comfort in that dysregulation for whatever reason and it feels it feels a little comforting for them because that's that feels familiar maybe they feel like it wasn't me right maybe maybe i don't know they're just so used to like being fucked up

that they're like this is normal but i also feel like a lot of people who watch those shows tend to be anxious people, so like if you're anxious you're used to that dysregulation like that's something that because i've heard the excuse that people have said like oh i like to watch those things so i'm prepared i'm like but you're not preparing yourself you're just like watching shit. Preparing myself mentally for when they choke me out and i die,

Anyways, I mean, I'm kind of guilty. I do kind of watch a lot of like. True crimes. Not true crime, but yeah, I do. I do. I had to stop. I was watching that murder mystery and makeup forever. You guys don't know that one? Yeah, I don't know that one. Basically, this girl, Bailey and Sari, and she just, she literally just tells you like a crime story of a murder while she's putting her makeup on. Oh, okay. Oh, I think I've seen like a couple of clips of that before.

She be doing like she be doing like yeah cute looks right yeah yeah yeah I think that was a good one I'd like to thank myself Nino wait any other gay thoughts or any other murder gay thoughts, no then I'd like to thank myself Nino Dr. Mikey and Christophe from all of us here at Queer LBC murder headquarters you're good enough you're smart enough, you're smart enough to get out of that house that you shouldn't be in.

And doggone it people like you goodnight sleep tight goodnight don't like the murderers catch you. Thank you.