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Yo, it's me, Christophe, your city top liaison. My pronouns are he, him, and dad, motherfucker. Dr. Mikey here, your local, licensed, and practicing therapist for entertainment purposes only. My pronouns are he, she, all of them. So what's the T, sis? The T is... Today in Trans, UK trans groups respond to high court ruling that trans women aren't considered women under equalities law.

Today in Homophobia, hate incidents against LGBTQ plus people, community rose 24%, LA County report says. Also in Homophobia, kiss your kids goodbye, Indiana mom tells teacher who flew a pride class, Pride flag in class, police say. Today in Transphobia, UK High Court says trans women don't meet definition of women under equalities law. Today on What the Fuck, Trump administration plans to remove all members of HIV Advisory Council.

Today on Yas, Boise mayor refuses to remove pride flag despite state law. Do any of you queens know about any of these things? Because I don't. But it sounds like the same shit, different day. They pretty much do. But that kiss your kids goodbye slogan is crazy. It's wild. But yeah, what is going on? Police in Indiana arrested a mother, they say, confronted a teacher while wearing a firearm and sent her an email containing death threats because the teacher had assigned her daughter a project.

The project in question, right? One on different flags, including the pride flag. Carrie Rivers, 48, was charged with felony possession of a firearm on school property and misdemeanor harassment via written communication for the incident that took place in Decatur Township near Indianapolis. At the Valley Mills Elementary School on April 9th, according to the court documents, Rivers told police she was upset about a project assigned to her daughter, a sixth grade student at the school.

Rivers said that the assignment was about same-sex relationships, while the teacher told police it was about different flags, including the rainbow pride flag. Rivers was also upset that the teacher had a same-sex relationship with the woman, who was also a police officer. When Rivers confronted the teacher, a silent alert system was activated, notifying the police about an irate parent at the school. So the police arriving at the school noticed Rivers had a holstered firearm

on her waist. Police said they removed the gun before interviewing her. Rivers claimed she had not realized the gun was on her person when told it was a felony to be on school property with firearms. Rivers said that she had withdrawn her daughter earlier that day, but returned to complain further about the incident. She also said she was surprised that the police were there to confront her rather than the teacher.

Like, the teacher ain't doing nothing. The teacher was doing her job. They didn't break any laws. You, the one that broke the laws and came out here to confront the teacher about an assignment. And who brings a gun into a school in this day and age? Right. Like, we 20, 25. And who forget that you got a host on you? Right. So, Rivers left the school and returned home where less than 30 minutes later, she allegedly sent an email to the teacher.

You're a child predator and your only hope is your bitch-ass wife that is a cop. Otherwise, someone else would have already dealt with you for your wrongs. Okay. Now, y'all should see how she wrote this. So you could tell that she's a fucking dumbass mom. So Rivers allegedly wrote in the error-filled message, I don't see, right? The error-filled message to the teacher, you mess with the wrong family. I'll tell you that. So please say your prayers and kiss your kids goodbye and good night.

You never know when God says it's your time. So always be prepared. She also reportedly wrote, sick, nasty teacher, you should never tell precious, innocent kids that it's okay to be in the same-sex relationship. Police were again contacted, and Rivers was arrested on April 10th.

We are committed to ensuring a safe learning environment for students and staff, and are grateful for the quick action of the office staff in handling the situation, the Decatur Township School said in a statement provided to the media. So the mom is doing court on Tuesday. Now, that's kind of crazy because Indiana can go kind of both ways with how they view same-sex or just LGBTQ plus in general. Especially when it comes from like, you know, Senate and like Congress people in Indiana.

So that's kind of good that you're at least a school and officer. But like, damn, like, how can you be that uptight about a... You didn't even know what the fucking... You didn't even know what the assignment was. You just jumped off on dumbness. Thinking like... Like, it's not on same sex. It's about different flags. But that's how fucking strong our fucking brand identity is. Is that I shook your ass so bad that you thought it meant something else. Because you know what?

I believe that she would fucking just bring her gun in there to just be like, right oh i forgot i had it on me okay no you didn't forget your hosta was on you yeah but when the thing that she says where it's like basically i. Can't believe like you would like let people what does he say something about telling people that being in a safe situation is okay it's like i remember that's what my teacher what at my school was saying remember when i had my little

incident with my teacher and he was like talking shit about gay people to the class anyways you already know this don't act shook but yeah he was saying that he told his brother that he better not be telling people that it's okay to be gay. And it's like, what the fuck? Like, why is that like the thing? People telling you that it's okay to be gay. And it's like such an offense. Yeah. Because I think they, well, they think that once you approve then it's going to spread.

Because I think they view it like it's a disease. They think you catch the gay. And it's like, you don't catch the gay, you're just gay. Just gay. So I feel that's the premise I think it's like this apocalyptic gay taking over but that's so insane like for you to have to like. Bitch yeah that reaction was definitely not proportionized to the situation especially emailing her yeah right kiss your kids goodbye say your prayers you never know when it's your time to go I got

you I got you covered If that's not a threat, I've never heard one. Like, what the fuck? Like, then what she should do is file a motherfucking restraining order. She don't get, you know what? Now you got to find somebody else to come drop your daughter off to school. Because you can't be up to 100 yards to this motherfucking front door. Is there a way you can sue someone for calling the cops on you for no reason? Like, what the fuck?

I mean, that's only like if they are harassing you and fouling, like. I guess she didn't call a cop, right? That's funny that she was like, I can't believe that they're here for me. Like, bitch, what do you thought? They're gonna arrest a gay person? No, they're gonna come for the teacher. Like, really? That's how dumb people is literally thinking at this moment. Like, oh, I thought you, yes, go arrest the teacher. That's how right they think they are.

She's got an LGBTQ, just screaming out fucking bullshit. Like, no, bitch, you don't. Ma'am, you're the scene.

Right, right. you're on school property with a gun it's like they didn't make us illegal yet yeah like what the fuck, but I'm glad that school stood up man that township the school board did well I don't I don't want to say the school board the school itself because, yeah that's ridiculous that's I'm sorry to that I'm sorry to that lady, I'm sorry to that child now that child is like damn so now do I do the report

like right like now I don't even know what the hell now my mama got the police. Right? Like, that has to be traumatizing for the child. Like, what if that was a child that would grow up to be gay? Like, how traumatizing? What kind of messages that send to that person? But even that child probably didn't even know what the hell is going on. Like, all I'm doing is like, I see this rainbow flag and I'm just doing the report on a rainbow fucking flag.

Right? And mom's getting all fucking... Bit out of shape. Uh-huh. Like when dad left. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, what the fuck?

Damn. So, from Q Voice News by Philip Zonko, hate incidents against LGBTQ plus community rose 25%, LA County report says. I believe it, bitch. Overall, hate incidents in Los Angeles County grew 35% from 609 in 2022 to 821 in 2023. With 40 of the 55 reported gender-motivated incidents targeting trans individuals, according to the report. The hate incident report mirrors many findings in the 2023 hate crime report, but it provides a more comprehensive picture of hate activity in L.A.

County, the Los Angeles County Commission on Human Relations said in a press release announcing the report. Hate incidents can be just as traumatic for victims as hate crimes and can perpetuate systemic inequality, so all of us must report them, not accept them as normal, Robin Toma Commission's executive director said in the release. Understanding hate incident data along with hate crime data is crucial to a new dimension for effective prevention and intervention policies.

Understanding hate incident data, along with hate crime data, is crucial new dimension for effective prevention and intervention policies and action. Hate incidents are non-criminal acts motivated by prejudice or bias against a person or group's actual or perceived identity. These incidents can include non-criminal, verbal abuse, harassment, and display of offensive material.

Perpetrators are motivated by bias based on race, ethnicity, national origin, sexual orientation, race, religion, disability, or gender, or including gender identity. Hate speech is not necessarily a crime. However, it is a criminal offense when someone threatens violence within spoken or written words against a specific group or person. Here are some examples of hate incidents. Someone with being threatened, with being deported, reported to ICE.

Someone distributing white supremacist literature in front of a supermarket A member of LGBTQ community being told demeaning comments while on public transportation based on perceived gender identity or sexual orientation Hate crimes are violations of state and federal laws And both hate crimes and hate incidents are serious breaches of international human rights standards Robert Sowell, the commission's assistant executive director, said in the release A central

goal of the Hate Crime Report and the Hate Incident Report is to raise awareness about these human rights violations. Let's see. Here's some key findings about the report. Sexual orientation incidents targeting gay males, lesbians, and LGBT non-specified increased 24% from 119 to 148. They represented 70% of total incidents. Gender-motivated incidents increased by 53% from 36 to 55. 40 of these incidents were anti-transgender and 13 were anti-female.

African-Americans were targeted in for 52% of all racial ethnic origin motivated hate incidents and anti-black incidents increased 12% from 211 to 237. Latinos were the second largest racially targeted group, reporting 69 hate incidents, 15%, and 60 of these incidents included anti-immigrant slurs.

Asian and Asian Americans compromise 15% of all reported racial incidents and decrease from 76 to 66 33% of these incidents were anti-Chinese so here is a problem that I have with this data what is the problem so it doesn't.

Correlate who you know I'm saying who who is doing the making the hate crime exactly because it could be so like even for instance with that asian americans compromised the 15 reported racial incidents could have been three percent of those motherfuckers doing the anti-black you know i'm saying like those could have been the individuals and so it's like with that data you just don't know who's who because we don't want to well we can and we shall know that most of it is probably coming from.

Your ancestors. So, you know, like, the college. So it's just like, you don't know exactly who is doing it. But it's said that the percentage is going up. But we knew it was going to go up because guess who's in fucking office? Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? But, like, we just can't assume that it's all coming from that particular group of people. Well, I'm not defending the whites, but every race can be homophobic and transphobic. Yeah. Yes. So, yeah. That is also true. That is true. And just racist. Yeah. I seen a video earlier where there was in, what, this was in NorCal, like Sacramento or some shit, where an Indian female was calling a black female the N-word.

Mm-hmm. And it was just like, what? Like, I just can't. I remember one time I had to explain to a white person that races other than white people could be racist to other races. Right. That they could be racist to each other. And he was so confused. He was like, what? The only white people could be racist. He's like, no, you, no, no, no, no. Because they feel like it's so, like. I mean, it's intrinsic to white. No, I'm just kidding. Right, right, right.

But yeah, that's kind of crazy to have all that shit went up, though. Yeah. I mean, that's what happens when you have all this like anti-gay and trans rhetoric everywhere, you know, like it's rampant in the news. Trump's talking about it. Everyone's talking about it. So, you know, this is the, what is it, the reaction to it. So, yeah.

The obvious outcome that we predicted here on this very show. Yeah, that's horrible. And I hope that it goes down next year, but I don't believe that it will. But here's the thing. If you have been hate-crimed or hate-incidented, please report it. Yes. Regardless. Jinx. It's funny because, well, I'm glad that this article did come out because I actually have been researching myself. Like, what is a suitable offense? I'm like, is you shouting fag at me in the street? Can I sue you for that?

No. which is basically what the article is like talking about oh yeah but you can report it so that we can have like more data on i guess that's getting called faggot we'll do nothing about it but you know i think something you said christophe is like you know they report the victims but like, Obviously, the victims are being like, hey, it was this person giving a description. Why don't they release who's doing this?

Hey, 30% of hate crimes were done by white people or brown people or black people. And they think that would be good to know. And then we know how to help, how to target. I think that would be more useful than just being like, oh yeah, this happened. Good luck, y'all. Right. Hopefully something comes about it, like where more practices are put into place or more patrolling or some kind of services or something comes out of it when it's reported. You know what I mean?

Yeah. I know what you mean. I mean, I feel like, yeah, it would be helpful. But I mean, because we're already we're already self-reporting our demographic. And then I guess why is our perpetrators demographic not getting to be reported as well? They're more anonymous than we are. Yeah. Right. But in reality, most people can already just assume that we know who it's coming from. But in reality, we can't think like that because... Everybody's hateful in this

fucking country. We all have work to do. Exactly. Go educate. Go educate the straights. Straights, go educate yourselves. Did y'all hear what happened in the UK? Not really. So... The Britain Supreme Court has ruled that the legal definition of a woman is someone born biologically female. So the court's five judges issued an 88-page judgment. In it, they say the concept of sex is binary. A person is either a woman or a man.

The unanimous decision of this court is that the term woman and sex refer to a biological woman and biological sex. They ruled that a government-issued gender recognition certificate, which can provide legal recognition to a person's new gender, is not enough to qualify that person for all of the sex-based protections that are covered by a 2010 UK law called the Equity Law. Interestingly, this case came into play in 2018.

A law was passed by Parliament in Scotland, which was one of the United Kingdom's four nations, has its own devolved legislation. The law required half of the board members and all Scottish public organizations to be women, and it included transgender women as part of that, as long as they possess a gender recognition certificate that identifies them as female.

But a group of gender critical feminists called for women scotland challenged the law in court they said would impact single sex services for women including shelters for abuse victims hospitals and sports so they sued the state to limit sex-based protections to people born female and later lost their case in the scottish courts however with this ruling it essentially gives the gender critical feminists in Scotland the win, and yeah that's what's happening in the UK,

well turf island as they call it. I mean that's facts I'm sorry to you trans women out there, but it's only like attacking trans women it's not even saying anything about trans men and that's and that's always gonna be an issue so now it just feels like in a sense we're, I'm trying to say this the politically correct way. I don't want us to get canceled.

So like trans men exist. So if you want to say that trans women shouldn't be allowed into this identification of female, then you're also saying that trans men, in a sense, is female. But then those groups, those programs that you're so high want, so uptight about is going to be for those trans men, so to speak. Right. Am I making sense? Oh, yeah. So it's like so you're trying to protect yourself because, oh, these services and these programs are women based.

And if they're not women, then so you're literally saying, OK, so this trans man can come in here and get these programs in. So that's what you want. So like then let's run up. Run up then. So then like, see but society doesn't put that strain, no, not hypothetically. They don't put that much emphasis and strain on trans mans, on trans males. They're just putting on trans females. So why don't trans mans just start taking advantage of that? Right.

So now, So since you're saying it's for females and you classify trans females as not females, so I can only assume that you're saying trans males are females. So now run me my program. Put me on the service. Sign me up, Scotty. You know what I'm saying? Like to play devil's advocate, to be the voice because now it's contradictory.

That's how I look at it. I'm confused. but, I feel like yeah it's for one it doesn't even make logical sense in their own logic because if their whole thing is like we're protecting women it's like well you're not protecting men because you're not making these laws against trans men so I guess you don't really care about protecting people you're just obsessed with protecting women allegedly but it's not even it's not even true anyways they don't care

about protecting women they don't care about people in fucking general they just want to fucking rule high, yeah if you're still a trans man you should fuck shit up in your.

Well you can I think that in like laws like these like trans men are still being targeted they're just not being made the face of the reason I mean yes don't get me wrong yeah yeah yeah and I think, I always feel like the reason for why trans women are so attacked is because men are so offended that, that someone would want to give up being a man, even though like there are women, a woman and have always been a woman, right?

Like they're born a woman and, but their body doesn't match that. Right. So I just feel like transphobes are so like, I don't know, like offended by that idea. I'll see what you're saying. Like giving up that privilege, you know, and transitioning to be who they are. Right. And it's just like, why would you want to do that? And I feel like that's a lot of people's perspective. And it's so like patriarchal.

I think it's also like, They think that they can eliminate them from, I guess, existing and not being in their sex pool because they have that trans fear. And they're so disgustingly transphobic about it in their realm of masculinity and sexuality. Like when it comes to like having trans women like as I guess I guess I just they think that they're being like forced to have sex with trans women.

It's what they feel like I think that's how it sounds like to them to me when they hear them talk yeah they go after the dolls but they don't want to protect the dolls so I don't even know.

Let's get it together uk well shit i mean you know what get it together globe yeah i mean i just like they just passed on like the nationwide we're not quite there on a nationwide like trans ban yet like i feel like states are are doing it individually but it's not like nationwide like it is in the uk now yeah but we we're close we're getting at the dough mm-hmm but i don't know it was just very interesting and on how like

this it was cis women against trans women you know like they're playing the gatekeeper to like womanhood you know and they're they're i don't know like the gender critical feminism is is very interesting to me yeah. I think if you're trying to gatekeep your womanhood, then I feel it's because you have this idea of being a woman is different and only knowable to you because you feel like you have been pushed under the patriarchy and a man could never understand that, I guess.

I'm thinking that in their mind. So then they see if you're born male that you, I guess, could never understand either patriarchy and therefore could not understand what it could ever be like to be a woman. But it's like, bitch, gay people know what patriarchy feels like. I don't know. These turfs are weird. Did y'all hear about wealth? I know we all heard about it, but your boy is at it again. Oh, I'm like, boy, his administration plans to remove all members of the HIV Advisory Council.

So the Trump administration plans to remove all the members of a presidential advisory council on HIV and AIDS and provided no timeline for replacing them as the government overhauls his prevention and treatment efforts for the disease. So the 30-year-old presidential, I guess it's PACHA, Presidential Advisory Council on HIV and AIDS, had more than 30 members before U.S. President Donald Trump's inauguration. And Andrew Nixon, a spokesperson for the U.S.

Department of Health and Human Services, confirmed the agency was ending the volunteer service of the council members, saying this was common practice for a new administration. He did not specify a timeline. So two sources familiar with the matter told Rutter's that all of the council members were to be removed because PACHA's existence is required by statute. Nixon said it will continue to provide advice, information and recommendations to HHS.

Unfortunately, Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr., he did not say anything. Who will perform those tasks or when new members may be appointed? So last week, the HHS implemented Kennedy's layoff of 10,000 federal health employees, part of massive cuts to the federal government under Trump. The layoffs affected many agencies involved in efforts to end HIV, a virus estimated to affect about 1.2 million people in the U.S.

Among them were jobs cut to HHS Office of Infectious Disease and HIV AIDS, where several employees, including PACHA's executive director, Caroline Tellev, were terminated, according to Elite Day and Post.

So like those layoffs is like starting to trickle down and i know that like we just don't know where they're coming in it and i believe some hopefully not hopefully but i think in the days to come or the next couple of weeks things are going to be very weary just because we just don't know where these layoffs and things is going to go and take place. But at least for this one, because it's different programs and Department of Human Health Services, but back to this. I don't know.

There was, wow. Yeah, so it's like we're all in a crisis mode, basically. So, like, yeah, we just don't know how, when they're going to end this advisory board and if it's going to be replaced and if it's going to be replaced with people who care about HIV and AIDS. So that's going to be the other issue because, you know, he just put anybody in any motherfucking position. So we shall see. Fantastic. Everyone goes stuck up on your prep. Yeah. Jesus Christ.

I'm freaking fortunate. But that's also going to hurt everyone because I read that the newer cases are more from straight people, from heterosexual people. Because they don't like to get tested? Yeah. You want to be like, this is a big thing on us. It's like, no, it's going to impact everyone. We know how to protect ourselves.

Did you guys see that fucking spaceship shit what spaceship ship with all them katie perry oh i keep hearing things about it but i have not seen it you ain't missing shit because i don't i've never been to space but i know it don't take fucking 15 minutes right i can tell you that, so and i didn't actually see the whole thing but i'm expecting like if you go to space like space space, then I shouldn't expect to see you for the same day.

Right? I don't think so. I heard that it was fake too. Right. Because I'm like...

Now you may have did you go out the orbit or did you just go high enough where you can just float in the air like how like what kind of space is you talking about right like you could see a video where you see like the curvature and like a blue line and then it's like they're staring right at the sun like i'm like uh i shouldn't expect to see you bitches the same day if you went to space, I saw this video that pointed out that there should be burn marks on the capsule, and there are none.

And that when they tried to open the door from the inside, I guess, and then it opened, and I guess they weren't supposed to open it. And Jeff Bezos was supposed to open the door with a latch from the outside, but they had already opened the door. You can see that from the inside. And then when he opened the door, it swung open like a fucking your grandma's screen door. And I was like, that's supposed to be a pressurized compartment that was in space?

Right. Like, the fuck? This is all like it was secure. And then it was like the video that shows them going off. Like, the part of it almost looks CGI. I was like, is that even real? So I feel like it's sus. And then I think I heard that they were saying, like, this company is also, like, supposed to send trash into space. I'm not sure, allegedly. Oh, my God. Please don't fuck up space like y'all did

the ocean. Wow. God damn. But then it's also kind of funny because I'm like, your boy with the SpaceX can't even get people in space. And then Basil just walked in in two seconds and sent you to outer space like nothing. Right. The fuck? That don't make no sense whatsoever. Let me prime you to space real quick. Right. Shouldn't that be embarrassing for Musk when all his shit just keeps exploding left and fucking right? I was like, how'd they get up there and back so quick? And you can't even...

Well, isn't it only like a few thousand miles? Doesn't seem like too much when you're being projected up and then like gravity bringing you back down. I mean, if you saying you're outside and you can see stars, saying I see stars. Like you should be in outer space, right? Yeah, but outer space is also just right outside our atmosphere. Right. In the gravitational pull, that's still outer space. Like how far is, I don't know. I don't know enough about the atmosphere and the gravity.

Also, I didn't see it. Also, I didn't see it. So I don't know if, was it televised that we saw them going into the sky? Allegedly. All we seen was these bitches walk the plank, get in, ring the fucking bell or some shit. And then 17 minutes later, whoo shit, that was nice. I'm like, wait, what? I know. So I'm like, so she was scared to get on the thing, even though she agreed to get on it beforehand. Right, Gail? She's acting all scared, like, oh, my God.

And then I'm also confused because I'm like, don't astronauts need to, like, go into, like, all this training and shit? But y'all can just put people up in space? Well, they've been talking about this shit for years. So I don't know if they was going through those type of trainings or whatnot. Like you know when you see like the astronaut in the thing that's going to zoom zoom zoom spinning you around in the room like don't you need to do that.

How mad is Lance Bass that they did this and didn't fight him like no one's gonna throw up in the ride right, Like, people can't even handle a roller coaster. And you think the bitch can go 2,000 miles an hour into space? And right, I didn't even see no chairs in that motherfucker, so y'all bitches was just standing up all this time? I don't know. It makes no sense. But, you know, America always gonna put a show on and try to feed it to you like it's the truth. Two space conspiracies.

I mean, I'm not even mad about the... The original one. Right? I'm not even mad about the rich people wasting millions of dollars on shit because that's what they do every fucking minute. So, like, whatever. But, I mean, I'm glad it didn't explode. That's true. I mean, that would have been a real interesting fucking day today if Katy Perry and Gayle King were dead in a space explosion. Imagine. Since it seems to happen so easily. Easily. There's a universe that exists. Mm-hmm.

So kudos to you space females also i was kind of put off that like oh this is an all-female crew so let's put the most like famous ones in like front and you only get to see the famous bitches, and all these scientists ladies we don't know who the fuck they are like right the only two people i knew was gail and carrie carrie katie the other chick was fucking bezos's girlfriend friend or wife or whoever yeah no nothing like you don't even spotlight the scientists,

of this all-female blah blah blah rude oh but did y'all also hear about the long beach.

Not classified but considering themselves sanctuary city oh nice so that was interesting so there was like a i guess a resolution agenda item that was passed on april 1st in the eight to zero vote with the Councilman Darryl Supernar absent recognized that Long Beach as a safe city for transgender people and members of the LGBTQ plus I community while also reaffirming the city of Long Beach's values as a safe and welcoming place for all members of the LGBTQ plus I community.

So that's kind of interesting that that came out, but you know, people always have the. A lot of people, well, an article was written also that, like, Long Beach doesn't do enough to also promote this statement. Let's look into that. What does that say? What do you mean? What could they be doing, Long Beach? Well, I don't know. Like, we're just saying because they allow SpaceX to have space and property here.

So that's another issue. Like, you know, like if you are allowing these businesses and organizations to take place in Long Beach that are. And your owner is extremely transphobic. How's that? Then how is that aligned with your values of having a safe city or a safe space for the LGBTQ plus community when you allow organizations and companies to come in and operate who are transphobic, even to their own children? So, you know, I mean, like.

So that was interesting. I mean, also, if you're declaring yourself a sanctuary city, I feel like you need to do more than just put a slogan that says we like trans people. Like maybe you should offer some actual service, free trans services of some kind or like some kind of like, what is it? Like halfway house? What do you call it?

Something like transitioning housing. yeah for trans people to actually make it a sanctuary like if people are if you're claiming your sanctuary it means you can come here for help and rest or whatever right right but let's say you're a trans person fleeing florida and you come here and and then all it says is we like trans people well great well now what yeah yeah how are you being sanctuary did it's like you're like being let in the

church and sleeping in the quarters or something you know what i mean like Yeah, that's true. When I think of sanctuary, I think of that. I think of the church letting you in. And I don't know. Putting their hand up against the policemen and saying, no, you cannot. Drink a Coca-Cola. And then you have to, like, not. Yeah. I agree with that. I agree with that. So, yeah, I feel like, yeah, you should be doing more than just putting, like, a bumper sticker.

Yeah. Yeah, you should have, like, services ready, housing programs. Yeah, that makes sense. Which I'm sure there's, like, LGBTQ plus centers.

But, I mean, I feel like there should probably be, yeah, like a long beach government driven driven money driven because so i found what i was talking about so on q voice news they were saying that spacex rents approximately 15 acres on pier t at the port of long beach so spacex pays 285 000 a month to rent that property and it and the lease it will expire in april 30th 2028 that's a lot of money right so just like is that

money going to like what does that money like that'd be different if that 285 000 a month is going to lgbtq plus programming and services and things of that nature then we can that's where you put your money where your mouth is right but if those programs are going back into feeding to the or feeding, you know, the Olympics or like whatever it may be, then like, is it really given what it's supposed to give? And how much actual taxes is he paying?

Now, you know the answer to that. So like, yeah, I mean, yeah, if you said if I mean, yeah, I mean, if I'm going to be the gay person talking, if there can be a compromise, if he's going to have to give him give us our money, then you might as well fucking use it. Yeah, towards the fucking trans people or the LGBTQ community. Right. Put it back to us since he's already such a piece of shit towards us. Mm-hmm. I'll take a Republican's money. Sure. Why not? Any other bullshit?

Let's talk about a nice one. Boise, Idaho, mayor, refuses to remove pride flag despite state law. By Greg Pruitt from the Idaho Dispatch. Okay. Why is it Idaho like that? Because I'm trying to read it.

Boise mayor lauren mclean is refusing to take down an lgbt flag from flying on government property despite new idaho law prohibiting the flag from flying cut to her getting fucking pushed into a cop car what's happening governor brad little signed house bill 96 into law which went into effect immediately upon his signature the law only allows certain types of flags to be flown by government entities. The LGBTQ flag is not on the approved list.

Under HB96, the following flags are approved. The U.S. Or any state flag, military branch flags, PO MIA flags, tribal flags, and official city flag. While HB96 may prohibit the LGBTQ plus flag from flying on government property, the bill did not contain any punishment for violating the law. No enforcement mechanism is available. So McLean is unlikely to take down the flag. City officials told KIVI, Channel 6 News, that they will continue to fly the flag. Well, isn't that sweet? Go you, girl.

Right. But that's almost like a loophole. So like, what if there was repercussion? You know what I'm saying? Would you still be flying it? Would you still be flying it? Mm-hmm. Who knows? I'll see you, Mayor. Right. But also, kudos to you, because people would have just been like, oh, well, that's what the governor said. Got to do what the governor said. I mean, if Trump can put you into the gulag without due process, I'm sure you can also do whatever the fuck you want to. Fire flag, dude.

But I also think this is what allies need to do. They need to do things like this, acts of resistance, even if there are repercussions. because you're not going to be no change if we don't disrupt in some way. Yeah. Disrupt. Go to jail for the right cause. Yeah, exactly. Right. We're not going to be able to write and call our way out of things, you know? It's true. Any other gay things? Oh, I mean, well, some Long Beach gay news.

Well, not news, but, you know, the new facility, a new facility opened last weekend. Unfortunately, I haven't visited yet. So maybe one weekend we can go and check it out. Which facility? It's called the, I'm trying to see, it's the Old Brit. It's called the Man's Room. I really, it. Oh, yeah, we talked about it. We literally talked shit about it last week. I know. I mean, right. I mean, it looks like, I mean, yeah, the name sucks.

I'm not going to fucking walk back on this shit. It's, yeah, it's so many things that could have came about about that. But it seemed to look like a great new space and can't wait to go and try it out and see what it's, see if it gives. And, you know, hopefully the name itself won't keep the community, all members of the LGBTQ plus community from checking it out and going from there. Next Friday after our dance class. Oh, don't tell them we're going to be there. They're going to stalk us.

All right. Is that it for a quick tease? Anything else? I'm not thirsty anymore.

All right. I think these queens have deserved a break. Music. Music. And we're back so today i wanted to talk about aging yes girl we are all getting older, every second so i wanted to ask you guys are you old how old are you does it bother you go off queens go off old queens you know what age is nothing but a number number and age ain't going down but a thang. Really, R. Kelly.

You said I did. But aging, I feel like getting, I don't want to say older, but like aging, damn, I also feel fucked up. But like, you know, living, living life is like a gift because tomorrow is never promised. True. You know what I'm saying? So that's how I'm going to start that conversation off.

Tomorrow is never promised you die at any moment yeah so enjoy getting old and enjoy getting old and embracing life around you because i think i'm the old like i'm like in my early 40s right so i've lived i've loved but also like i've learned have you left i've not left yet but. But yeah no I left and you know she like, It's crazy to, you realize like after a while, like, damn, like I need to simmer down.

You know what I mean? Take a seat back. Right. But also with that same mindset, tomorrow's never promised. So I want to live it to the fullest while I can. YOLO? Till the day I die. Till the day I die. You only live once till the day you die.

So deep. Thank you. now how this is what about you how old are you i am in my late darkened late 30s but, aging is interesting i feel like aging really doesn't mean anything and the only thing that we talk about when we mean aging is looking old and haggard because gaining wisdom and blah fucking blah becoming grandmother willow is all fine and dandy everybody does want that everybody don't look like grandmother willow exactly as long as you don't look like grandmother willow so i

was just having this conversation with my friend earlier and talking about like would you ever get plastic surgery kind of thing like based off of like aging like and like if you're getting older and like you see all these like celebrities you know that are like older and are obviously getting plastic surgery to keep up and like you see diddy in jail and his hair is all completely white and it's like were you dying it the whole time and it's like even these even these people

just dying their hair yeah you know like not getting.

Not enjoying becoming old because they always say oh age gracefully yeah and it's like it's a really confusing statement because they always point to people who are old hot people when they say that and it's like what you're referring to is like age youthfully right but what you really mean is like not caring about things like like getting plastic surgery it's weird because i feel like that's what they mean is like you you don't care about plastic surgery you're gonna

age gracefully meaning you're taking graceful actions and like in your mind like like you don't care about how you look because you have like gained so much wisdom that you know that that's like something that shouldn't matter right and that's where you're the grace is in you know what i mean but the reality is like you have to be hot old person and notice the site yeah right Like, they talk about that kind of shit when they, like, talk about Jane Fonda.

She's aged gracefully. And it's like, you just mean that she stayed hot as an old person. But also, another reason why Jane Fonda has aged gracefully is because I've seen this on TikTok or, like, some social media that anti-blackness ages you. And James Fonda has always been on the forefront of the civil rights movement since the 60s and the 50s. So, like, that's why James Fonda, like, if you see, let's see, if we could just say fucking John F. Kennedy Jr.

Right. Like, he's not aging gracefully because he's a hater. You know what I mean? So if you got a hater, also any kind of hate, any kind of hate is going to make you age terribly. Thank you. I feel like that's true, right? No, it is. But a lot of people who are like super evil have like money for the plastic surgery to combat them. See, but you could tell because if you got your face pulled back and you look like you can't fucking make facial expressions, you're a hater.

Would you guys ever get plastic surgery? No. Like not even like Botox or something like that. Like I don't really need it. I drink a lot of water and mind my business. Right. I think like if you stick to those two things, then you should be okay. But I'm going to say here, now I don't see myself getting it. Now, who knows if something happens where I need it. Aged so rapidly. Or like an accident. Right, like an accident.

Or like if I started sweating and you know, like I did, because somebody said Like you can get Botox in your underarms or something if you sweat a lot. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know. Like, so I don't want to be like, I don't want, I'm not going to get it for cosmetic reasons in regards of making myself feel vain or like for my looks. Because, you know, me, I don't give a fuck how I look. Damn right. I'm going to have a good time.

I feel like I say, I think the same thing. Like, I feel like I wouldn't want to do anything to my face, but then I also don't know. Now you wake up to look like the rock. Because I'm like, what if, like, I can also imagine me being, like, 70 and being like, oh, I need a snatched jaw. You know what I mean? And also not giving a fuck. And, like, being like, who cares? Because I have that, like, mentality already, like, where it's kind of like, I'm just a soul inside of a shell.

So, like, what the fuck does it matter what is going on on the outside? Like, I should be able to slice and dice and not give a fuck about, like, what it actually is. Now, would you be doing it for you or be trying to doing it for keeping up with the Joneses? I guess I can only imagine that I would do that because I already know that the world that we live in is so extremely shallow that people don't validate you if you're old.

Like they don't look at old people as like their minds are valid basically just because they're old, bodies and they just i feel like a lot of people discount old people simply for the fact that they're old people yeah that's because the fucking youth is like and then when you look like jane fonda versus when you look like grandmother willow they talk to you differently And so I feel like that would probably come into play in my mind at some point and be like, oh,

like, I want to stay valid in this world. So I need to look young so people will take me seriously. Treat it a certain way. Now, what? What is Grandma Willow? I'm talking about Grandma Willow specifically from Pocahontas. Oh. But is there any old person reference? Yeah, it's like any old. Let me have a tree as your reference. Do you know who Grandmother Willow is? I knew Grandma Willow. I knew with you. Right. I didn't know if it was like, I was like, did I miss a drag race show?

Oh, my God. That would be a great drag race character. Because I thought it was Willow that was on the season. And I was like, oh. Like, oh, I was like, did I miss that? No. No, I'm literally talking about Grandmother Willow from Pocahontas. Her face is in the tree, but it's very old. But she was very wise. And she was like the one that everybody was like, oh, this is like the wise being. But she looked like an old lady. And I mean, if she was the wise old being inside of Jane Fonda's body,

I feel like they would not have been. I don't know.

I see what you're saying i don't know it would have been different they would have been more lustful than knowledgeable probably would have treated her a little differently right but i guess i think that also like when you age i guess that you should be coming into like the idea like if you're actually aging and you're actually getting wiser right you should hopefully have come to the point where you have had some kind of body acceptance of yourself and not given and giving

a fuck. Like, hopefully you could get to that point. I don't know, because especially in our community, like, and with social media and everything, like, it's always like...

Always trying to be like in the like fitness and body types and like facial and like hair and just like the looks it's all about the looks the looks the looks the looks but like it's just crazy because like nobody's really talking about people's like heart soul because you can look good but if you're not treating somebody right then like why would i want to be around that yeah yeah Just because you look good? I mean, and there is no public dialogue on becoming a wise old person.

Yeah, because living years and having experience doesn't equate wisdom. That's true. It's also factual. Especially in this fucking country. Look at the president. Yeah, right? Oh my god, how many old morons are there running around this fucking place? Fucking idiots. It is true. You are very factual.

They always be like oh you need to respect your elders I'm like bitch you ain't worth fucking respecting I'm sorry to say you can get ran up on keep on talking crazy and I feel like a lot of countries look at us sideways because they're like oh they do not respect their fucking elders and it's like bitch talk to them, you wouldn't respect them either the fuck. Yeah that's crazy because I've the visual like in regards of just like cause I met this like 54 year old Gay man.

But like, he looked at like, almost like, 38. Now like, if he wouldn't tell me his age, I'm like, oh, okay, like this little 38 year old, you know, da da da, woo woo. But like, I was like, damn. But like, he keeps himself, up. And I don't know if that's just because that's how he is or if that's how he expects society to see him as an older like most older gay males like to be. Like are you doing this for yourself or to be I don't want to use the word fetishize. So you want to be admired.

Yeah. Or are you doing it for yourself for your health and just well-being, versus being the hot quote-unquote daddy you know what i'm saying yeah but society just put this into our heads and we just and and our algorithms. I i wonder like what the impact of like the eighth epidemic had on like our view of aging and also like the huge like age gap it gave our community.

So with the age gap, like from the AIDS epidemic is because we lost so many people, and it's just like now like the newcomers, like we didn't have nobody to guide the individuals after them into the queer and LGBTQ spaces. So it's just like that age gap is almost just like mentally gone like it's just like no ease into it per se but that also like.

I don't know like if like age person like let's say for instance unfortunately you two are already taken so what would be the youngest you would date if you were able to date i think it would be different dating versus like a dude that i would fuck because like a dude that i would fuck would probably be like anybody who's of legal age but a dude that i would date okay and take seriously i, personally would i have always only like dating people who are around my age

like specifically my year or like damn that or like in like a five-year range either up or down just because I feel like. I've talked to older men before, and they always do this shit where they're trying to be my dad that I don't want. Or they're trying to give me advice that I don't want from them. And it's kind of like, I'd rather just be with somebody my age that I can relate to on the same thing that I'm going through. Oh, okay.

I can see what you mean by that. Yeah. I've only ever dated people around my age, like in a few years of my age.

I don't think i necessarily would have a limit you know i think i probably get to know someone before because i think it depends like i think there's immature 30 year olds and i think there's mature 25 year olds and i think it's just dependent on how how y'all click and vibe right and i feel like i think it is important to be mindful of age but i think if you put too much focus on it you can like also lose connections from it as well what you mean by that like if you're like oh i only date uh 30

and up right yeah yeah yeah you know but you collect with someone who's 25 or a little younger and you're like no that's not gonna work because of their age right you know yeah yeah because i think ageism runs rampant i think it's both ways right if you're young then you're immature stupid and dummy you don't know you don't know nothing right the fuck and if you're the other side then you're wise right right because that's almost like a

Older individuals saying like, oh, like telling a person with two damn degrees. Oh, you don't know nothing, but you never went to college. How you going to tell me? I don't know shit. Just because I'm fucking 25 and you 55. What do you think about older guys who only date younger guys? I just is I don't I don't really I don't see it. But I also know that this out there, you know what I'm saying?

But like only to focus on that is kind of weird to me but I don't kink shame oh that's not a kink oh well is it I don't know. I don't... Age play is kink. It's kink. But, like, you can't really age play in a relationship, can you? Or can you? You can. Oh, okay. Yeah, I think you can. I think it's probably more... Well, I don't know, because I don't do age play.

You know what age... Google gaga. No, age play is essentially any, like, sexual play that involves, like, a kikapone of it being, like, there's an age differential between partners. Oh, okay. So I would imagine if you're a similar age, but you want to engage in age play, then you'd probably be like really related to like more of your attire. Okay. Like schoolgirl uniforms. Yeah. But yeah, like I don't, I find it, I don't yuck nobody's shit. You know what I'm saying?

So, but for somebody to only date younger, feels like it's almost predatory.

You know what I mean? and that's just like and that's looking at it from any kind of realm yeah i had a straight yeah straight co-worker who he would always be talking to he's my age but he was always talking to me about like these younger girls that he was dating they're like in their early 20s and i'm just like kind of looking at him like sideways like like i get it like you're trying to get with the young girl because like you think that her body is like on par or something

but it's also i'm looking at i told him to his face i was like i'm looking at you sideways because it's like, you're connecting with like someone so young like that's all you have to talk about is like young like not to say that young people can't talk about smart things but i'm just kind of like, like what are you connecting with these like young girls about because like i don't think you're having deep conversations with them yeah like if

i'm being honest so it's like that's how i look at the older gentlemen who are only getting what these young guys it's kind of like you're obviously you have nothing to do you really have something to talk about but i mean i mean maybe you don't need anything to talk about and you're just fucking and that's that's what i said it doesn't matter how old you are yeah but that's dating is different i feel like that's why i'm like

why would you date somebody that you really don't have nothing like in common mentally with.

Yeah i can understand that because yeah i mean or something you relate to, and then like also like what if somebody like was to come up and be like and you do have that connection and you don't really talk about age you just assume that this individual is around your age and then you come to find out that individual is probably like 22 or some shit like that because now these motherfuckers are starting to look older you know what i'm saying so now you pull up to them like oh shit i thought you

about 35 like no 23 like what the fuck hmm, No, I don't know. Like, would you like, well, I mean, no, I just got vibes anyway. So it's like, as long as you have consenting to eight, like a 21 and over, get at me. Done. Now, what's the oldest? Oldest, right. I would probably say it just depends. Because I'm not about to be nobody's caretaker. Okay? So like, as long as you can do your daily activities and shit, you can move and shake. Okay. Right. I'm about to do all that.

But yeah, so like I would probably say probably about 10 years my senior is the highest I would go. I don't remember how the oldest I went, but I think there was a guy who was my dad's age at one point. And then I think I hooked up with him. But I'm trying to think, who's the oldest guy? Oh, there was an older guy. But it was more like I felt like I really don't feel like I count that. Because if it happened, you counted.

The only reason. Well, because the whole situation was it was like I wasn't even. OK, so the situation was I don't even know how old he was, but he was essentially when you you know, when you go on like the apps and is just like a generic old guy. He was just like a generic old guy. And like he had like white hair and I think like a white goatee. And he was just like a generic old guy.

And the only and then the only reason why I went to hook up with him I think was because I was bored, and that he was just like overly complimentary to me and then I was just like alright whatever like you're gonna suck my dick and it'll be fine why not throw your old ass a bone, and that'll be like my community service and so.

So I mean I went in his house and I hooked up with it i took a shower at his house and then before and after no just before i was like can i take a shower first because i was like because i was like going in there being like i'm the hot young thing i'll do whatever the fuck i want you're just some old man so i'm just gonna take a shower in your house and just like let you know that i'm here and then i took the shower and then i came out and then he was like going

all crazy because i was young and he was old and right yeah He was really into having a nice young man with him, I guess. But I mean, I don't know, because it felt like, I don't know if it was like I was like the only guy he'd been with in a minute or if I'm just like another random guy that he's talking about a million guys. Because it's like I could have it could have been that it was the first guy he'd been with in a while. Right.

Or it could just be like you're just a regular slut like everybody else. Yeah. I think that goes back to kind of like the body type expectations we have in our community. Right. I think that if you're to be considered a daddy like people picture a certain image.

Image right and it's always what pie muscular thin things like that so i and i think i think our our community well just like every community you know is is ageist right like i feel the older you get the people people somehow devalue your your sexiness yeah your sexiness yeah, so i don't know yeah that's all this you've been with i remember this one experience it was like when I was first starting to explore it's actually here on Long

Beach I remember it was like somewhere near like Alex's bar and it was just this old guy off of Craigslist, come on L4L. And he hosted me like at night and I don't remember like the hookup very much but yeah that was my oldest and I don't know I think more recently maybe like in the 40s early 40s maybe, and I think that's how mine was when I was like in my, 20s. Yeah, I was in my 20s too. So I was like late 20s, like about to hit 30 and I think this person was like

almost about to hit like 50. Okay. But yeah, it was like, oh. And also like it was probably because like, oh okay, this motherfucking can teach me some things. You know what I'm saying? Because like, no, like in reality, you know, like, oh okay, this person may have been, right, you know what I'm saying? Like, show me the ropes. Like, but yeah. Well, that's the oldest you've been. Well, you just said it, huh? Yeah. But you just said, you didn't really say an age. You just said.

Well, I didn't know how old he was. See? He just looked old. If you would have saw him. And that's kind of fucked up, because now kids are saying like, oh, shit. Like, you can be like fucking 32, and these kids that's in fucking college, talking about that's old. Like, I was seeing like fucking skits like, oh, like, what do you consider old? Like, what age do you consider old? Oh, like 32, 33? I mean... What? Motherfucker, you just a fucking 19, 20-year-old in fucking college.

You gonna be there in 10 years. I feel like it was always that way. I see, but I don't know. I would always talk shit to old people when I was young on purpose. Wow. That's why you aging like that. All that hating you. But yeah, I feel like I never done that. I just... Yeah. It was always just something for me to just stunt on older people because they always just try to knock you down for no reason. So I'm like, whatever, bitch, you're just old. It's the only thing you have. Right.

But I would just do it just to be stupid. That is funny. Old bitch. Nah. I do it to you even here. You go in one end after the other.

But you is ages. I think the other thing you mentioned is like especially for us queer queer people is like what happens when we get old who's gonna take care of us right because queer people typically have like their kids you know but we don't have our kids right so like sometimes I think about that I'm like what happens when I get old like who's gonna take care of me see and that's why you gotta start taking care of your mind body and soul because since we don't have nobody to take

care of us we are going to have to take care of ourselves and that's probably why we do see a lot of older queers in the gym and taking care of their health and doing mental health and things of that nature because in reality we're not gonna have nobody to take care of us you know what i'm saying so that's also a good way to look at it that's why i stay in the gym i have an older gay uncle and i think about that too because he he tells me too he's like what am i gonna do because he has

a husband but he's like what am i gonna do when he dies and i'm like girl we'll chill we'll hang out like i got you so you can call them old yeah i'll like i'll pay for your shady pines don't worry because you want to stay in my goddamn house. But i think about that sometimes like what am i gonna do when i get old but that's why it's just like, well, that's why you just, that's the whole purpose of homeownership.

Is that if you can buy a house, then you can die in it. That's the only purpose of buying a house is so you can die inside of it peacefully. I mean, I guess until... Because you can't do that in an apartment. You can't just buy an apartment building and then be old in an apartment building with no job. You have to buy the house while you're young so you can live in it and have no job while you're old and decrepit. So you better buy this house, doctor.

So you can decrepit in here and pass away when nobody knows. Look, that's not a peacefully. Peacefully. The cats can eat your body. It'll be circle of life. Yeah, that's what I came to the conclusion. The only purpose of buying a home is so you can die inside of it. You're pre-coffing. You're pre-coffing. Because I think about that. You're like, yeah, how are you supposed to survive in America when we don't have any kind of safety net from nobody?

So you're an old person you have no job and they don't like to hire old people because they're ageist as fuck and you didn't get the plastic surgery, so how are you going to get hired yeah it's a fucking endless cycle of hell, bullshit I mean everyone should be nice old people you're going to be old one day. Treat treat everyone how you want to be treated now what do you think about.

Suiciding yourself when you're old I don't know what that means like before you have like any or just like I don't know like they talk about like age assist what is it assisted suicide assisted suicide yeah, oh you down with that I mean if I had something that was like gonna kill me and then like my, ability to take care of myself was impacted I would probably consider it yeah I would probably consider it too if it was something that's like if i'm

in pain and i don't want to i didn't lived all that i wanted to live and i'm like look i'm i need to get up on that yes obviously my body don't want right that's the only way that but like i will i want to say that i'm going to live i want to live life until it's my time to go yeah yeah because like i don't think i like if i can't like speak or I can't like walk or like, like I said, like a lot of my things where I can't like be independent and travel and do

the things that I love. Then like, I want to be here. I don't want to like be a burden on people. What about you? You'll do it. Um. I mean, I guess I'd be down if I was like in a situation where I was like, I don't know, because I feel like it really depends on the cost of upkeep. Really, because I mean, if I'm in a point where I am just like sitting there day to day and nothing is happening.

Right and i'm literally just like you know how there's some old people who are just like they just do nothing and they just are literally sitting until they go to sleep and they wake up and they sit so if i'm like in that state it's kind of like well what what's the difference between death and this right like but also but that but saying that is also kind of like well what's the point of killing myself either like it'd still be the same i'll be just it'd just be on or off.

So I guess it depends like what's the cost? Is it a cost more to keep me alive or is it cost more for that doctor to assist in suicide me at the point? Like I don't know. But that's illegal still, ain't it? Yeah. It's only illegal in like other countries I think. Okay. So I've heard of some people who go over.

I'm gonna go like on a bender on like hard drugs that I've never did like Melf or some shit.

Or at least like if you're you're gonna go out like you have like a day left do something, crazy worthwhile your last orgy last bathhouse look now that's that now that'll be the day that you see ada compliance in the motherfucking bathhouse, most of the bathhouses I got to you they got to go down some stairs or up some stairs, I ain't seen the elevator you know what I'm saying like god damn now that may be uh you know that may be in the future there you go there's gonna be more more old senior,

senior night yeah there you go 88 compliant bathtub okay, hot tub and the motherfucker just chilling. I don't know if it was the pandemic or just like my job, but like I've noticed like before the pandemic pictures of me, my, my beard is fully black and now it's like definitely a lot of white. And I look at those pictures. I'm like, damn, I look so like fresh and young because the hair is not white.

And then when I see white hair in the mirror I definitely feel like I look dusty and I feel like I look like I'm not like I don't have my makeup on or something like I feel like I'm washed out and I just feel like people see me looking washed out and then I feel like.

Back into my own self-esteem feeling like oh I feel like a fuddy-duddy or like blah or like and then it makes me feel like less like amped up to be excited in the world now you know what you can do to see if that's a feeling within or just your head you should do it just for me I mean just for man or some shit and just have you done like a color well yes I have not finished my oh but i have had i used to dye my hair well my my gray my white hair like started right it's

gray like when i was really young like i started getting like white gray hair like when i was like already in high school and so like i was dying my hair when i was like in my 20s like early 20s trying to be like oh hide it because it was like it wasn't like how it's like all one color right now it was like splotchy yeah and it's like one side only one side of it was like gray and like the other side was still.

Had like color so it looked weird it was like cruel so i would try to dye it and then it would look worse because it's like like then it grows out and then you can see it underneath and it's like i'm not keeping it up i'm not like in the salon 24 7 and then it's like trying to do it myself then it's like you have like the smudges on your fucking head and then the color don't even look natural and it's just like a whole fucking.

And then and then you get all these other people being like you shouldn't diet because you should be a sober daddy and it's like bitch shut the fuck up you know what i'm going through.

Y'all know what i'm going through you don't know my life so y'all know my struggle and so, but this was when you was in your 20s they were telling you to be a silver daddy yeah and so like i was really trying to struggle like struggle against it and then i finally just stopped dying it like by the time i think i was like maybe like 27 and i was like just give it up, and so now when i look in the mirror i still do feel like dusty and old and whatever but i don't care anymore.

Like i do feel still get those feelings of like but then i also don't have like the feeling of like, I need to change this. Like, I just, I'm like, I've accepted it. I've accepted my ugliness. So you have no reason to dye your hair. Yeah. Or to be like, you know, let me color this in. You know, but you know what is funny is now I have the desire to, for it, I want it to all be white. Oh. And now I want, now I know when it does get full white, I'm going to be

processing it to make it super white. and I'm gonna like... So it's just like another stupid thing. And that's another. So that's like another idea that I had was like, well, people like we remove hair also so easily. Like you'll just like you'll you'll do away with your your facial hair. You'll shave your beard. You'll shave your whatever. You'll pluck your eyebrows. And nobody gives one fucking shit about that. Right. But like, why is that different than like changing your face?

Like going in with a scalpel. Like you're still causing some kind of pain to change your appearance, but it doesn't seem as like bad, right? It's like invasiveness of the surgeries. Right. That's like controversial. I think it's the extreme people perceive it to be. Right. But it's also extremely like us. I know people going to get hair transplants. Like it's just like that's extreme. Oh, yeah. What are your thoughts on that? I mean, I don't have no thoughts.

I just know, like, I don't, if you're bald, you're bald. You know what I'm saying? Like, it is what it is. Like, I don't, you know, like, who am I trying to impress here? You know what I'm saying? But that's me talking with a handful of hair. So, you know what I'm saying? Like, it really don't. But I see a lot of people who doesn't, and I understand that they do it, but do they do it for themselves, or do they do it to be more desirable in society? We'll never know.

But yeah can't wait to get older I know you're older than me you don't have nearly as any right you ever seen Invisible huh you ever seen the show Invisible, it's like a cartoon oh yeah Invisible you almost like the father I do look like that very sexy man now they say all that.

It's stupid because like straight people all the time straight guys will always come at me for my hair and be like oh the way you're gray or your hair grows out is cool and i'm like because you look like this, superhero and i'm like i don't know who that is and then i'll have to google it and i'm like oh okay thank you thanks, But what about wrinkles? Embrace them. Are you going to fill up that face? No.

I've seen the long-term effects of like flaccid surgery. People who get fillers, they end up ballooning up. And I found out that's because the liquid they inject in just seeps and spreads over time. That's why they spread. So no thank you. I always like a natural look anyway. So, like, naturally young, naturally mid-age, naturally older. Like, if you look like you've lived in love life, boom. Yeah. Yeah. Have you come to me like... Have you heard of this concept of twink death?

I've heard of twink death. I don't know what that is. Well, as a residential twink, what do you think?

When was my twink death? No. no i'm definitely not a twink but uh but what i've heard of it is like obviously like you're a twink but what does everyone associate twink with is like youth and young age and i hear like 25 is when twink death happens or like as you get older closer to your 30s because i i don't think, people in their 30s get called twinks true because i've heard of some extreme examples in this of straight men who have received twink death being of one as leonardo dicaprio oh from

his growing pings twink to what the fuck he is now and zach efron which is sad i got work done too right yeah i definitely did but it is funny though because you will see like in the club like every.

I mean all the time you'll see that old that old twink who is like still super skinny, and he still has his like you it feels like his hair is like bleached blonde i'm thinking i'm thinking of a white man and like a tight face right yeah and i'm just like you're still holding on to that twink fantasy that we all know is a lie or am i just shaming i mean you can be a twink can you be an old twink yeah be an old twink yeah you just have to be what no expiration dates,

but then that's just you have to be skinny huh that's all it is right yeah being skinny and young is a twink no just skinny well old twinks. Yeah, I feel like you just have to lean into whatever you look like. Like, if you look like an old person, lean into it and be like, just be yourself. Yeah. I mean, everything around age is just like bullshit to try to sell you everything. I mean, that's also true. That is also fucking true. Like, how much is the cosmetic industry worth?

Everything trying to sell you. Have you guys ever bought beauty products or aging, anti-aging products? No. No, not anti-aging or nothing like that, but... I just buy, like, lotion to moisturize. Right. And sunscreen. When I was younger, I used to go to the Sephora, and I would go to all the extremely expensive, like, skin cream section. And I would just take all the samples and just pour them all over my fucking face. Oh, Lord.

I'm like i'm getting free youth serums that's why your hair is gray side effects and then i ended up buying some i like buy i would buy like retinol cream and stuff like that because my friend she had told me because i asked her i was like did this stuff actually work and she's like it doesn't work for people who already have like oldness like it doesn't work on old people it keeps young people looking young so it's not gonna do any reverse damage but you

can keep your skin nice nice and tight do you still use it to this day no i haven't bought anything i don't i don't use it i the only thing i literally use on my face at this moment is a neutrogena bar and i don't even think it's neutrogena but it's just a soap bar come on dove, i mean shit dove is good too i don't even think i moisturize i am so oily i don't need moisturizer. I started using, what is it, the African soap? Oh, the black African soap. Yeah, yeah. Very nice, very moisturizing.

Do you guys use sunscreen? Yeah. Sometimes. I need to use it in every year. Yeah, and you being a son, bro. I know, you're the one that needs it the most. I'm ready, straight to Grandmother Willow. I can see it now.

But yeah, like, I use sunscreen, but I also like, what's those little eye patches you can put under your eye I don't think that's anti-aging I don't think those do anything I don't think so either but. You know what is the best? Now I'm just giving my beauty secrets away. The Aztec facial clay mask. Have you ever used that? It's like, it comes in this little, it's like a little clay, it's like clay powder. And it has like an Aztec pyramid on the cover.

And then you just like mix it with water or vinegar, apple cider vinegar. And you put it on your face and then it hardens into like a clay. And then you like have to get like, I have to get like a hot, rag to, like, remove it because it's, like, so hardened on your face, but then it's, like, kind of tightens your skin for, like, a hot second. No. Anyway. I've done, like, aloe vera mask. I like aloe vera mask. Soothing. Now I want to go home and put a mask on.

Any other age thoughts, Grandpa? As we look around the studio to see who the fuck he's talking to.

I don't, um, as the oldest, as the elder in the group most I don't no yes most wives most lived, you right behind me though just FYI just just so the viewers can know them numbers is numbering no I don't have anything else just to embrace it because shit tomorrow's never promised as many times we've seen all these young people, losing their lives or not you know what I'm saying like shit, just live it up start like that Mm.

Work on your mind. I'm about to go home and do a crossword puzzle. There you go. I love it. Words with friends. What's that other one? Word of the day. Wordle. Oh, I ain't got the patience.

You gonna give me eight tries? Fuck you. Any other gay thoughts? I downloaded. Grindr. Prince of Persia. He has very hot video games. What's a gay game? I mean, it's nice for gays. Is it gay? No. Is there anything gay? I'm trying to think of anything gay related. I've never played the game. All right. Nothing else gay? I guess not. Oh, well. Where are the gay content here? Oh, yeah. Did you see that?

On celebrity big brother jojo siwa was being homophobed by mickey rourke i believe it though right look at that look at that age gap i know he had told jojo siwa he had said do you like boys or do you like girls and she was like girls and then he was like not after i'm done with you you won't or some shit like that he said after four days if i'm here with you for four days or something you won't be anymore or some shit like that. Basically insinuating he was going to rape her, I guess.

And then he had said something like, I need a fag. And then he's like, oh, I meant a cigarette, not you or something. And it's like, what the fuck? Wow. And they kicked him off the show. Well, yeah. So you can be cute all the fuck you want. What a less time you fucking called a cigarette a fag, bitch. Exactly. So stupid. You know, you know what you're doing. Exactly. Anyways. Is that it? That's all I have. What about you, doc? I am good. That's all I got. That's all I got too.

Alright everybody, from all of us here all of us here at the Queer OBC I'd like to say thank you. I was ready. I'd like to say thank you to myself Dr. Mikey and Christoph and our sound engineer and editor Chelo Azul. From all of us here at the Queer OBC you're good enough, you're smart enough and doggone it, people like you. Good night. Good night, cigarettes Cigarettes I like that Adios Cigarettes. Music.