Lizzie is one of the best sociopathic crooks I've ever dealt with. In fact, I would venture to say that her husband, Jesse Moulder, and the kids were more of a prop. Every time she would defraud people, they were part of that package. Lizzie Mulder is accused of scamming nearly a dozen people in and around Orange County, including a cowboy named Joe Love. He was an ex boyfriend prior to Jesse Moulder. I think Lizzie used that relationship to con Joe Love. Oh so, Joe Love is a victim.
He's a victim, but according to Lizzie, she's actually the victim. And I can Detective Jordan Miracian can prove Lizzie's lying, and he has a ton of evidence showing she's a bona fide con artist. But the Orange County d A isn't convinced. He's got a case and that hective is told to just let it go and let Lizzie get away. You know, I was getting pressure to basically close the case. They wanted you to get rid of it and not do any just close it. The district attorney told me,
I don't think this is a winnable case. It doesn't really have any jury appeal, but instead Detective Morakian strategically leap frogs over city and county authorities and gets the federal government involved, people like Scott Tenley with the Department
of Justice. Almost anything you do, you swipe an a t M card, you send a wire, it's going to go through the Federal Reserve, it's going to go through Bank of America and all over the place, multiple states, and these days it's almost impossible not to be committing a federal crime when you're doing fraud. But when Lizzie Mulder finds out she's the target of an FBI investigation, she panics, and what she does next surprises everyone. You know,
it's a bold move, But I didn't bat an eye lection. Yeah. I'm Jonathan Walton and this is Queen of the con The O C Savior Episode eight. The good that I did. What's great about being an assistant United States Attorney and a federal prosecutor is we get to choose the cases we do. And so it's it's law enforcement agents bringing cases to us and saying, here's what we have. Do you want to make a federal case out of this in July. Scott Tenley is a federal prosecutor with the
Department of Justice. When we get involved in a case, it shakes people up. It shakes up defendants because this is a federal case now, and that that's something that's a very powerful part of the job working for the federal government. You scare the bad guys exactly, and you wouldn't take a case if there wasn't a good case there. Well, certainly, we're not going to take a case that we wouldn't
be able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. And somewhere along the way, Lizzie Maulder figures this out and starts waving a white flag. An attorney called and said, I'm going to represent Lizzie Moulder, and we walked through the evidence and then pretty quickly Lizzie wanted to resolve the
case with a plea agreement. Yep, you heard right. In March of more than a year after Detective Jordan Morakian first starts investigating her, Lizzie Malder wants to plead guilty for scamming nearly a dozen people out of more than one and a half million dollars. Because her guilty plea will spare the government the uncertainty and the expense of a trial. Prosecutors agreed to reduce the charges they were
initially planning to bring against her. And so in that instance where we haven't had to file an indictment with all the charges, we effectively negotiate and pick what charges will be filed. So we brought wire fraud charge, which is any type of fraud committed against the victim where you take their property through fraud using the interstate wires. And then we also brought a tax related charge because she failed to report, as you would expect report her
stolen money as income on her taxes. And so she pled to both of the charges we filed. Even though we could have filed twenty more counts, thirty more counts, it was just the two that we picked. So those are the two that were actually filed. The other ones were just like waiting in the wings in case it
was going to go to trial. If she had not agreed to plead guilty without an indictment and she said, no, you got to charge me, we would have charged her with multiple counts of wire fraud, multiple counts of filing false tax returns. We would probably have considered charging her with something called aggravated identity theft because she was impersonating people that she knew were obviously real people, and so by coming in and resolving the case early, she helped
kind of control her exposure. But things are far from over. While there isn't going to be a trial per se, there is going to be a sentencing hearing in a federal courtroom where a judge will decide how much prison time, if any at all, Lizzie Mulder gets, for the crimes she committed. I'd like to hear from you, counsel, that I'd like to hear from the victims, and then I've got a couple of questions for you, miss Mulder. It's Monday, October.
Courtroom ten A of the Ronald Reagan Federal Building in downtown Santa Anna is packed at nine in the morning. A visibly distraught Lizzie Mulder is there, hands folded and looking down with her husband Jesse, as are several of her victims, some of whom we've never heard from until today. Lawyers, police officers, FBI agents, and members of the press are all and in attendance. The recording of this proceeding has never seen the light of day until now. The Honorable
David O. Carter is presiding. Why don't we hear from the victims. It's possible Lizzie Mulder could get off today with no prison time at all, just probation. And that's actually Jay and Marla Avery's worst fear. There's a moment when we were sitting in court, it's like this Ladys can walk away. She wouldn't even look at us though her face so she was turned away. She had a hair in front of her face, and she didn't make a move, No one with the no compassion, no I'm sorry.
When I would look over, she had her head on the table, looking down at the ground. Often rarely did she look at any of the victims that I could recall. And they said that too, and that that annoyed them, that she wouldn't even acknowledge to them that she wronged them. He owns the lab Law Group now, but back in Paul LeBlanc is another federal prosecutor working on the Lizzie Maulder case. He has a real law professor air about him,
extremely knowledgeable with decades of experience. He's an Iraq war veteran and even served as a judge in the U. S. Navy. This is probably the most intense sentencing that I have ever experienced. And I have prosecuted when I was in the military, some really traumatic, horrendous sexual assaults where victims come in and tell their stories, and that's very compelling, and it's a different type of compelling, but this one.
The tension in the courtroom when this was going down was palpable because the victims are noticeably concerned that Lizzie Mulder is going to get away. She doesn't have a prior criminal record, her husband is a firefighter, she's the mother of two little girls who need her. She also pled guilty, sparing the court a costly trial. Judges tend to look favorably on that kind of stuff and go easier on the perpetrators standing before them. Federal prosecutor Scott
Tenley says sentencing is always a craft shoot. The judge could decide to simply give her probation. He could have done anything, because he's a judge. Do you see probation happen? It certainly is much much less likely to happen when the victims are in the courtroom, So for fraud sentences, it's usually important to the government to bring the victims so the court can hear you know firsthand how it impacted the victims lives, and it's a lot harder for
a judge to say probation. The first victim to address the court is Jay Avery. It's been two years since Lizzie turned his world upside down with her cons His wine business is now circling the drain because of what she did. He's mad as hell and he wants justice. I unnoyingly watched Lizzie s deal hundreds of thousands of daughters from me, and the reality of the past few years was overwhelming. All the money that she has stolen,
all the lives and decease, his time has that. I still get angry, angry that she's stolen not just from me, but my kids. I have three children. The fact that she has two daughters of her own is battling what she's capable of. She didn't even steal for their sake. Plastic surgery is what we were told. That she spent them lying on and in a luxury house from Lagoona that she rented plastic surgery. He won't be the only
victim to bring that up. While the judge is moved by Jay Avery's statement, he wants to talk to the other victims too, to get a clear picture of the devastation Lizzie's cons have caused some other folks. Okay, I'll come back to you. I don't want thank you. Another victim who addresses the court you'll remember from episode four. My name is Mike Cochrane. I owned California Print Copy
for twenty two years and four months. Mike tells the court that Lizzie Mulder not only scammed both him and his parents out of almost forty dollars, but the years she pretended to be paying his taxes while actually funneling the money into her own bank account racked up a staggering number of back taxes that causes the I R S to punish Mike severely. We have thirty seven levies on US levies levies for the I R S in
the state. They sent out four hundred twenty odd letters to all my talk clients instructing them that they were no longer able to pay me directly and that they had to pay the I R S, which killed my customer base. Nobody wanted to touch me, ruined our reputation. Are you Are you in business today at all? You're not. It's just heartbreaking. But when it comes to unpaid taxes, the I R. S really doesn't care if you got scammed or if you shirked your tax obligations intentionally. They
punish you the same. That's just the way it is, And sadly, other companies Lizzie Scams aren't faring much better. Every single day is a struggle to keep our business open. Remember Geneva Mendoza and her Newport Beach salon. She steps up to the podium and tells the court Lizzie still almost three thousand from us, which ultimately devastated our business, screwed up our credit, forced us to go into major debt. We almost lost our own homes, damaged our relationships with
our staff, our family and each other. We are facing bankruptcy because of her. Our dream to run a nice business was secure for ourselves, has come crumbling down. We have had to take an additional hundred and nine dollars in debt to pay all the taxes and bills. And Geneva's business partner, Lauren is there too. She gets up, looks the judge square in the eye and speaks publicly for the first time about her years long ordeal with
Lizzie Maulder. I've spent months thinking about how I could possibly express the devastating impact this is out of my life, but there aren't words that will accurately describe the pain, anxiety, and stress that I have felt since her scheme began to unfold. Learning of the cunning and devious tactics, the betrayal of this woman I believed was my friend has been beyond traumatizing, a position I never thought i'd be
in strategically calculated, manipulated, and crafted by Lizzie Mulder. Lizzie and I went to high school together and reconnected at a friend's wedding in Italy, which I'm sure she's been other victims money on. Lizzie bragged about her education, where she did her undergrad and where she did her master's program. She told us often about how she passed the c p A test on her very first try. But as you know, Lizzie didn't graduate from college. She has zero credentials.
She's a self taught con artist. Over a two year period, Lizzie would bring her family into our salon connesced with her charm and reaped the benefits of over five thousand dollars in bartered services, which Geneva and I would pay out a pocket to our stylus. Only a sick individual would capitalize on a trusted friendship. Sitting in my chair staring at herself in the mirror, all the while knowing that she's slowly destroying a business without any regard. She
spent our money on plastic surgery. How I've seen her scars? Well, what kind of plastic surgery? It's called a full body lift? What's that? It is where a lot of excess skin and fat is removed and breast augmentation several times like a fat transfer to make her butt bigger. That she bragged about about just more than one plastic surgery, multiple events, multiple plastic surgerys. And you were told about these on each occasion. Because this is occurring, give me an idea
one or at least three to four. So she personally told you about. She went on extensive trips, owned horses, and lived a lavish lifestyle. Lizzie was by our side for the beginning of our business president and our first few Christmas parties, sat next to me at my bridal shower, sat in the aisle at our wedding, gifted us all the wine we drink at our wedding. I'm sorry, Jack Free and you bought it from that gentleman. Oh, I didn't buy it. Lizzie gifted it to us as a
wedding ift, about ten cases of his wine. Yep, but told us it was a gift. But according to Jay Avery, she never actually paid for it. She just took it from Jack Wines. Lauren continues, she was one of the first people I confided in when I became pregnant. I actually considered you, Lizzie, one of my closest friends. Any time I think of any of those events, I have to try and erase you, Lizzie, because it was all alive. I can't look at my wedding photos or video now
because you're all over them. Lizzie, you're a horrible person. You have no regard for anyone but yourself, and it will be no surprise that you'll try and present yourself as wife and mother of the year. But that could not be further from the truth. I don't believe she has any regret or remorse her behavior is arrogant. It's only sorry that she got caught in your honor. Before I close, I want you to know Lizzie does not
believe she will do any jail time for this. I know this because she has told people who have then told me. Lizzie's belief that she'll get off scott free might not be wrong. Non violent offenders walk out of court with just probation and no jail time every single day. But in a lot of those cases, victims like Geneva and Lauren aren't in court explaining to the judge just
how devastated they are. Both pretty much this next victim, who we've never heard from before, is irreparably damaged by all the scams Lizzie Maulder pulls on her and her parents. I'm not sure quite how to condense ten years of lies and deceit and describe the pain and suffering it caused me in my family. Friday thousand sixteen, that was the day I discovered the person whom I had considered my best friend, who was like a sister, had been stealing from me. The next few months were so surreal,
like I was living a bad dream. Now, my family and I are attempting to pick up the pieces and recover from the losses Elizabeth caused us. Elizabeth Mulder is a predator. She chose me as a target from day one. I met her in the spring of two thousand six. I was her pilodes instructor. She was friendly, likable, a great listener, funny, approachable, all the perfect qualities in a text butok best friend. She was very candid, never seemed to hide anything. If anything, I would say she was
an oversharer. I believe she knew exactly the kind of person she needed to portray in order to be well liked. Over the next year, we became close friends, and during that time she embedded herself into every aspect of my life. She became friends with my family, my parents, my brothers, their wives. She attended our family Christmas celebration. We celebrated almost every holiday together. It was during this first year that she became like a sister and I trusted her.
She integrated herself into my family for one purpose, only to defraud me. In the fall of two thousand seven, Elizabeth suggested that I opened my own pilot studio. She had claimed to be an accountant and c pa neither of which she actually is, and told me that she had experienced helping other people establishing small businesses. She was my best friend, so our arrangement was her services in exchange for pilates. At the time, the exchange made sense
to me. The process went smoothly, and she seemed highly qualified. She made things happen, I obviously didn't realize at the time. Before my studio's doors were even opened, she was already seizing the opportunity to steal from me. My studio was incredibly successful. From day one, I was working seven days a week and pouring my heart into my work. Within the first year of business, I became pregnant with my
first child. Being a mother herself, she was once again there every step of my pregnancy, buying extravagant baby gifts and treating me to spaw days. Elizabeth even made sure that she was at the hospital for the birth of my baby. What happened in the hospital haunts me to this day, and it has become even more disturbing to me since discovered ring her fraud. Shortly after my C section,
I was still heavily medicated and recovering from surgery. Elizabeth without my knowledge or permission, somehow accessed the heavily secured NIKU where my daughter was recovering and held her Before I ever had the chance. Elizabeth photographed herself holding my baby and brought the pictures to my hospital room to show me. I could not fully process what she had managed to do, given what I had just been through. She took that special moment from me. Her actions completely
sickened me. She has this need to be more part of my life events than I was. The fact that she was there for almost every big moment of my life for the past decade makes me want to erase so many memories. During the next eight years, Elizabeth continued to help me with bookkeeping and taxes. We raised our kids together, all four girls close in age, and even went on family vacations together. My dad and husband helped her move into her new, beautiful Laguna Beach home, which
she claimed to have purchased. During the last year, I learned, Elizabeth soul for me for hundreds of checks to her own personal bank account, used my company credit card for her personal use, and also applied for and received loans for over a hundred thousand dollars in my name. In total, she stole more than two hundred thousand dollars. She used it to pay luxuries like her plastic surgery. She owned
numerous courses road horses. Weekly, I sat down with my girls, ages five and seven, to explain to them that my best friend and the woman who was like family to them, is dangerous and they should never speak with her or have any contact. Sadly, next month, I will be closing the doors of my studio. Ultimately, it is due to the theft by Elizabeth Mulder. I cannot possibly recover from
the damages she caused in so many ways. I am sure Elizabeth will look to this court for sympathy, pity, and put on the performance of the loving mother and humble wife. I assure you she is none of these things. She is selfish, deceitful, and lacks remorse and empathy for everything she did to me in my family. Elizabeth Mulder is a predator. Her theft, lies, and manipulation continued for over a decade. This was not an isolated incident or
single bad decision. This was a way of life for her, and it is clear she never stopped to consider anyone around her. I believe she knows no other way to live, and would continue to steal and deceive other trusting people like myself if given the chance. Thank you very much. Wow, you can almost hear a pin drop in the courtroom. The more victims who speak up like that, the less likely it seems that Lizzie Mulder is going to walk
away from all this with just probation. The next victim to take the podium as a business owner who Lizzie scams while she's literally scamming everyone else for years, It's just unfathomable to me how she kept all those plates spinning at the same time. I knew Lizzie mother. She was a friend of mine. Actually I had met her years ago at Ris Carlton and she worked as a massage therapist. So I actually had a, you know, kind of a trust for Lizzie because she always talked about
Lizzie her daughter. I'm here today like so many others, because I've had the great misfortune of trusting Elizabeth Mulder Lizzie with the business that I've built for more than a decade. From two thousand and eleven to two thousand sixteen, she stole over eight hundred and fifty three thousand dollars. She did not do this as a one time theft, but in a deliberate, repeated, calculating fashion, devising several creative methods of stealing money. Her schemes included forging my business checks,
creating fictitious insurance business checks. But her most damaging scheme was her creation of the income tax payment an account with Bank of America. Lizzie directed me to draft multiple checks to income tax payments. Over a six year period from two thousand twelve to two thousand sixteen, she deposited over forty six checks from my business which were meant to pay income tax payments. She would come to my house and she'd say, it's time for your quarterly payment.
She would look me in the eye directly, and she'd say, blatantly, you know what. I'm going to drive this to the I R S. So it can be time stamped, so there will be no chance it will get lost in the mail or won't be deposited to your account. I've worked all my life for over forty years. I'm sixty three. It was a dream of my own to have my
own travel company. I hope to use my hard earned money to eventually retire now my savings are wiped out, and as a sixty three year old woman, I will need to be working until I'm eighty to gain back the loss. In addition, I lost my twenty year marriage. I believe the disagreements with my husband over the financial
problems created by Lizzie ruined our marriage. I would ask the court not to give great credence to Lizzie Maldor's lack of prior criminal record, as the number of victims and the length of time she has been defrauding them shows that she has devoted much of her adult life to stealing from other people. Your honor, I beg you
to give Lizzie Maldor the maximum sense. The number of people she has heard, the amount of time she has done it, and the callous and cruel manner in which she abused the trust of at least sixteen victims and probably more warrants the maximal possible sense. Even more importantly, I think she needs the maximum sense in order to keep her from other unsuspecting victims. I believe, if given
the chance, she would steal again tomorrow. I you were being here, it's clear the damage Lizzie has done here is not just financial, it's emotional. It broke up a marriage, It robbed victims of their happy memories of their wedding day, memories of their first child being born. After hearing from a cross section of Lizzie's victims, the judge gets curious the question I post right at the beginning that I'd like you to ask on my behalf, or I'll ask
it is you've got the investigating officers here. I'd like to know what happened at the first contact with the defendant. And by the way, if she asserted her right to an attorney, that's fine, she's entitled to that. Or was she completely truthful? What was that first interview? Like us shoot up to the podium to give that answer? Is the hero of our story? Good morning, how are you doing? I just need your name for the record, type of problem.
Jordan's first name, last name is Moracian. It's a pleasure. I'm interested in the first contact, my very first contact with miss Mulder. She came into the Laguna Beach Police Department. I want to know if she lied to you or mitigated her involvement, or if she just laid it out she lied? Okay, tell me about what initially she lied about and slow down and take your time with it. Absolutely. I was already in the middle of an investigation involving
Jack Wines and Jay Avery at the time. I was getting ready to approach the major fraud District Attorney through the Orange County Superior Court to file charges against miss Mulder. Jesse Mulder walked into the Laguna Beach Police station with a friend, an attorney of his, to essentially expose what was happening with his wife. At the time, I didn't know who Jesse Moulder was. He came in literally as
I was walking out the door. One speculative portion of that could be, look the words starting to get out in the community that there's an investigation going on, and if you're a suspicious investigator, here comes this person, not just cold off the street, but with an attorney in tow, obviously having knowledge that he might be accused of being involved, or his wife might be accused, or they might correct. So this isn't what I call a good Samaritan walk
in where somebody suddenly has a revelation. This is because of your hard work, the words floating out there, and this person knows enough to bring an attorney with him. Yes, Salguna Beach is a very small town and word travels very quickly. We have sometimes difficulty key bring our investigations under wraps because we have employees that live in the community. At the point that Mr Mulder walked in and revealed to me what's been disclosed today by the other victims,
I was initially receptive but suspicious. I listened to what he had to say, and then within a matter of less than twenty four hours, I was going to attempt to speak with miss Moulder and she checked herself into a mental health facility. Okay, I just husband comes in with an attorney. You're pretty far down the investigation line. You might perceive that people in the community are starting to talk. She checked herself into a mental facility. Correct,
three weeks after we executed the search warrant at Semit Drive. Okay, and she did out of the mental hospital or out of the Yes. And is that your first contact with her? Yes, But at the time didn't want to speak with me. And I told her as I left the residents here, it's my business card. If you decide that you want to speak with me, I'm at the Legion of Echil. How long after the service of the warrant. Did she come into the police department within eight to ten hours?
Now you say she lied to you, what happened, Well, she initially lied. Uh. During the disclosure of how much money she sold. Ms Mulder mitigated her responsibility. You know, I get all sorts of people. I get people who come in and they're just truthful, like to begin with, absolutely lay it all out. You know, those are sometimes people you work with as a judge, sometimes you don't. Okay, but lies a big word. So I'm going to slow you down. One lie was the amount they said. Other lies.
The other lies had to do with the amount of victims that were out there. She did tell me about Jack Wines, she told me about Tony and Guy har Salon got it here showing about Andrea Builders. She did not you're about California printh. No, she did knock and there was one other or take attack and fee with Mr Joseph Love, who's also present in court today. Okay, well,
thank you, thank you for pleasure. The judge doesn't seem happy that Lizzie lie during her police interview about how much money she stole and how many victims there were. But when Lizzie Maulder addresses the court, none of that comes up. She makes a straight play for leniency and begs the judge for mercy, saying she plans to live
the rest of her life with honesty and integrity. F y I. This is the first time Lizzie Maulder ever speaks in public, and just as her victims predicted, she leans hard into her persona as a loving mother and wife. As any mother two young daughters, I fear that my actions will cause them pain and they will never forgive me. As a wife, I have a fear that my marriage will not last the unknown punishment. Most of all, I fear that I will not be able to repay my
restitution fast enough for the needs of the victims. And as a human, I have fear that my legacy and life will be that the good that I did in life will not outshine all this bad. Judge Carter, I ask of you today to let me show you that if you choose to be kind enough to grant me leniency, I will honor your decision by living the rest of
my life working towards making everyone whole again. I want nothing more than to show my daughter that, even after making terrible mistakes in life, you can still rebuild your life with honesty and integrity. I believe that I am worthy of your leniency, and I believe that I can show others what positive can come out of granting me leniency. I asked that you give me a chance to show you that the good I can still do in life will outshine the bad. Thank you, Thank you very much.
Now the balls in Judge David Carter's court. He can literally do whatever he wants, whatever he deems just. He can let Lizzie off with probation or send her away for a lot of years. You can cut the tension in that courtroom with a knife right now. Well, first of all, we're back on the record. I want to thank all of the parties for yours today. Eventually the judge makes his decision and you can tell he's put
a lot of thought into it. I think that this is the rare occasion when the appearance of the victims have made a significant impact. Hearing from you has been extraordinary, beneficial. It's easy to read on a piece of paper what has occurred to people. It is very impactful when you hear people come to court and you actually here the harm that you've suffered. The court believes that the loss cause is approximately one million, five thousand seven. These victims
have not been compensated. There's been a suffering of substantial financial hardship that has ranged from h r s, leans penalties, decreased business, the humble attempt to rebuild goodwill, including the closing literally of a business, let alone the personal degradation that has occurred. This has resulted in a substantial financial hardship. The guideline range is seventy eight months and the government's requested sixty three months for sentencing purposes. The defense and
the probation officer have requested thirty six months. The abuse here is so prolonged, so personal, such a betrayal in the sense that the moneys that were benefited from were largely for personal aggrandizement, ranging from the personalized plastic surgery to the horses to an increased lifestyle on the backs of the victims in this matter, and this is particularly a vulnerable segment of society because small business in America
is the backbone of our country. And listening to the proceedings today, I think the government is absolutely correct in your evaluation in this matter sixty three months. Also his order that you should pay restitution in the total amount of one million, five thousand seven Why one since so?
Lizzie Malder is sentenced to sixty three months a little over five years in federal prison, and she's ordered to pay more than one and a half million dollars in restitution, but that figure doesn't include the millions of dollars she causes her victims to lose in I R. S penalties, in legal fees, and in back taxes. Lizzie Malder tells the court she has no money to pay restitution, but she says she'll pay her victims back as soon as
and as quickly as she can. After it was over, we walked outside of the courtroom, federal prosecutors got Tenley Is relieved, and the victims all kind of gathered around, and I wanted to just talk to him about what had happened. And one of the things I said to them was, you know, I can tell you a d you guys being here changed the ultimate sense, right, and
you had an impact. And I remember getting choked up, and I don't know if they could tell, but probably close to, you know, maybe tearing up because I was that kind of emotionally myself impacted by the sentence and and and I think, you know, people that work with me would probably be like, well, that's not Scott right,
He's a pretty hardened, you know, straightforward guy. But I just remember it was an incredibly emotional hearing and then to come out and talk to them, and and you know, I think a lot of them had a sense that they got some amount of justice out of that hearing. You know, part of it was the impact of what they said, but also part of it was like, Wow, this is why I'm doing this job, is to help help people like this that need a voice and can
get some justice. But that's probably something I'll never forget about my time as a as a prosecutor. Was was that moment with with them and coming out of that hearing. It was very It was a very moving and powerful sentencing hearing. Yeah, all of victims are like, yeah, we should go out for drinks and you know, you know, not that any of the money's here, but justice has
been served. Shaneva Mendosah almost goes out of business after Lizzie Malder's scams, Nearly three thousand dollars from the salon and Newport Beach that she opened with her business partner Lauren. It's going to take the span of our lease truly to pay back what Lizzie stole from us. But I think it speaks to the talent and the tenacity and the drive of you and Lauren. You're still in business. You took the hit and you came back out swinging and you're doing really well. Now why would say we're
doing pretty well. I've done a lot of work and I feel that I have come out of it stronger and more aware. And that's what's what I'm taking. That's the glasses is half full. Other victims, though, like Mike Cochran's print shop, she crippled us. She crippled us badly, and Jay Avery's Jack Wines her scams put you out of business, We're not as fortunate. It was doing well at had momentum, and I'll let her run with it. Not knowing that this would be the outcome, I had
no idea. Lizzie Maulder reports to federal prison in January, and she serves four years of her five year sentence. She's released in January of two But this story is not over. There's something really important that Lizzie Maulder is not telling the judge and not telling prosecutors, and it could cost her big. I definitely think that's a violation of the plea agreement. If I was still to kiss you off, yeah I would. I would say, yeah, I would go to the boss and say this is something
we need to open up. Yes, you do next time. On Queen of a Con The O C Savior, Lizzie pulls a fast one on the judge and on federal prosecutors. How can that legally go through? Well, I think it's a matter of one hand doesn't know what the other is doing. It's a new scam that could blow the whole case wide open again. While you'd call it a fraudulent conveyance, if I had found out that that was going on, we could have probably backed out of the
plea agreement. Queen of a Con The O C Savior is a production of A y R Media and I Heart Media, hosted by me Jonathan Walton, executive producers Jonathan Walton for Jonathan Walton Productions and Eliza Rosen for A y R Media. Written by Jonathan Walton, Consulting producer Sir Evan Goldstein, Senior Associate producer, Eric Newman. Sound design by Baked ZD Media, mixed and mastered by Cameron Taggy. Sound editing,
audio and studio engineering by Matt Jacobsen. Legal counsel for A y R Media, Gianni Douglas, Executive producer for iHeartMedia, Maya Howard