Q and On is now the most prolific online conspiracy theory of the twenty one century. None of their predictions came true. Q has vanished and the storm never came, but Q and On is still alive. I'm Jake Hanrahan, and this is Series two of Q Clearance, a podcast shedding light on the ongoing Q and on conspiracy theory. This is a production of Kudatar Media and I Heart Radio. Here at Q Clearance, we've spoken a lot about the
way in which Q and On is evolving. We've covered everything from their deranged post election theories to the neo Nazi Q and on components rapidly emerging. What I want to do for a bit in this episode, though, is to take it one step further theoretically, at least, let's imagine a world where somehow Q and On was actually real and legitimate. What they think is happening is happening. Imagine that we were all wrong and they were all right.
Let's imagine this nightmare for a second, that they managed to take over and overthrow enough of the current US order to realize they're much wanted. Revolution after a revolution and economic system must be implemented, right well, Q and On even has one of those. It's something called nas Sarah. We'll get onto that, but just imagine for a minute what would have to happen for the Q and On to get to that point where they are able to
implement this economic reform system. Now, the following will obviously be a fictional dramatization, but remember this is actually all based on the ideas of Q and On's themselves ols As far as I can tell after two or more years researching this phenomenon, their storm would look something like this. Thousands of highly trained US military cells loyal to Donald
Trump begins storming federal government buildings across the US. Any politician that's a Democrats or even a Republican that hasn't completely backed Q a so called rhino, is arrested and taken away in a truck. The vote or ideas of Democrats across the US are posted online and Q and On supporters are given arms to round them up. The White House is stormed by Q and On militias with the help of Trump's secret US military cells. Biden is shot on site. However, Kamala Harris has managed to escape
due to her connections within the police force. Trump emerges from a chopper landing in the Rose Garden, ready for action. He marches into the Oval Office as hundreds of thousands of Q and On supporters scream with excitement our aside. The windows are rattling. Meanwhile, voting machines across the country
are torched, and every Clinton family residence is stormed. It takes a while, as there are so many and they're so huge, but eventually Hillary two is rounded up as the US burns, Q flags are hoisted up over every federal building left standing. Anyone who is considered slightly liberal is accused of being an ANTIFAR terrorist and is shot or arrested. TV networks are stormed without warning by O
A n N stormtroopers. Anyone who isn't willing to immediately pledge allegiance to Trump's coup and the reign of Q and On is again either executed or arrested. TV networks are taken over entirely by an emergency live system telling the whole of the US that Trump is back and Q was in fact real. On this system, on every screen across the nation, live footage can be seen of the gallows being erected on the lawn outside the White House.
There are dozens of rows of them. As this happens, the laws of a standing kangaroo corp are read out by Lynn Wood in the top hat. Everyone screams treason at the end of each sentence. The Q special forces units arrive in large military trucks, guns drawn. They lead a steady line of quivering politicians to the nooses. The crowds cheer where we go, on we go all it can be heard booming everywhere. The politicians are hanged. The
country is now cues. Now. I know that sounded a little bit over dramatic, but I think it's important to hear it that way, because ultimately, this is the same sort of fever dream many of the Q followers have been fantasizing about now for years now. It might not happen that quickly, but in their minds, the true Q and onbelievers think all of the afore mentioned in that little story is ready to happen at any moment. So after this theoretical Q and On overthrow, what economic system
would keep the Q followers thriving. Well, they've thought of that too, As I mentioned, It's something called Nassarah n a s a A. The concept has actually been around much longer than Q. But as we all know by now, Q and On likes to pull at threads from many different theories and ideas, amalgamating it, putting its own spin on it, and turning it into something quite original, if not a bit evil. So Nasarah. Recently on the Q and on Telegram channels, I've seen Nassara mentioned. More and
more people are saying when will Nassara star? How can I live within the Nassara economic system? What will Nassara reforms do for me? That sort of thing. So I spoke to Travis's view of the excellent Q and Non Anonymous podcasts. I wanted him to explain to us what the hell Nassara actually is. Um maybe you can just explain what actually is Nasara. Yeah, Nassara is kind of like a proto Q and On, and it started out
fairly instantly. Um So, all the way back in the nineties, there was a man named Harvey and Francis Bernard, and he came up with these proposed economic reforms that they called the National Economic Security and Recovery Act, or NASSARA, and he printed out copies of these reforms and sent them to members of Congress, and of course they all
ignored it because it just really wasn't the plausible. These uh these economic reforms involved things like abolishing the income tax in favor of sales tax um, also abolishing a sort of compound interest on some securities, and also uh returning to so bi metallic currency that's sort of the gold and silver standard. However, um he also uh Harvey France Bernard also produced a book about his reforms called
Draining the Swamp finitely enough. But you know, it would have probably just sort of been lost the history if it wasn't for the fact that some people, like around two thousand, they started to get the idea that uh nos Sara has been passed secretly by Congress. No, obviously that's not how laws work. Laws can't be passed secretly, But they got this idea um thanks to a woman named Shanny Goodwin who operated by the name Dove of Oneness online and Shandy good when she she herself has
an interesting history. She um she has some involvement with some uh sort of some the some cults up in Washington State, and she also fell for what they called the Omega trust scam which was which was operated run by the scammer named Clyde Hood, who claimed that people gave him some money they could, you know, fifty times
or five thousand times it um. So what happened is that she started getting a following talking about the Omega Trust, claiming that the money that that all these basically all these dupes, all these marks uh thought was coming to them was going to happen soon. And she kept promising and promising and promising. Of course it didn't happen. Eventually, Clyde Hood, you know, he gets arrested, he fell and uh, and so he can't run that scam anymore. But she
had a good one. She keeps her audience going by claiming that this Nassara bill was going to be revealed soon, and she added a lot of bizarre our claims, such as that after Nassara is revealed, it would lead to worldwide economic prosperity just everyone is incredibly wealthy, and also
world peace and uh. She claimed that that you know that there there's this battle going on behind the scenes between what they called like the White Knights and the Black Knights, and they thought that the only reason that this this uh, the secret law isn't being revealed? Was because of this this battle right, very cut and on like, yes, yes, yes, yes, it is extremely Q and On like. It also involved
she when the eleven happened, she she integrated that. She claimed that basically there was some sort of computer in the Twin Towers that would make the Sara official. But but the the planes crashing into the Twin Towers helped ruined it. And that was the only reason that even the attacks of nine eleven happened. So how is it that Q and On ended up involved with this later? Well,
Cumulon followers, they're also very utopian. They think that after the truth of all their conspiracy theories has finally revealed, we're going to enter into a grand new age of peace and prosperity and togetherness. And so as a consequence, many have absorbed the Nasara narrative as explaining how this supposed global prosperity is going to happen. Um. So this has been going on, you know, over twenty years now, right, So I've been seeing them saying that, like this is
going to be like implemented. How how would that like, how does that into the qu On universe? Because obviously Q would have to implement you know, acques behind everything. How are they key in these two things up? So in the queuing on world, they often believe that um, things like poverty and war and um illness UM aren't caused by a complex set of social or just medical factors. They think that everything that's bad that goes on the
world is because of the cabal. There's a secret group of people who want to extend the suffering of us common people. Um. And so they believe that um, you know, once this sort of the once these evil people are are done away with, and once the the evilness of these people is finally exposed, then we can sort of
enter into the great new Golden Age. And so Nassara obviously plays into that because it plays upon them many of the same tropes, the belief that the only reason people are struggling for any reason is because that um, you know, it's because of this this evil cabal, right, and there is you see, so there's no SARA and there's Sara, right. Yes, this was another addition by the people who believed in the Sara. They thought that it wasn't merely a national economic uh security and Recovery Act.
It was global the Global Economic Security Recovering Act. And uh, they're you know, they're um. As a consequence of this, there they're Nasara Jassara started getting a following in the Netherlands, actually became an international movement. Right, So how is life going to look for the Q and on do they think under this if this was actually happening, Like, how do they see that day today? I mean, I know it's a weird question. I'm just trying to get into
my head what they think would happen. I mean, yeah, they think that that literally that they're gonna open up their bank account one day and then discover that they're all millionaires and uh like that that no one's going to be poor anymore. And somehow, you know, I don't think they quite um, you know, took how this would affect inflation or other kind of complex economic effects of everyone suddenly simultaneously becoming incredibly wealthy. Um. But this is
essentially what they think is going to happen. I mean they really think that, um, once the truth is exposed, it will lead to the end of yeah, like poverty and conflict and even illness. Wow. And and there's no there's nothing concrete that this is based on other than what sound like predictions, to be honest, from the from the person you mentioned before we kind of started. No, it's it's fueled on nothing but hope and some like I said, some some vague economic proposals made by in
a Texas engineer that never got any traction in Congress. Yeah, it sounds very cute and on. Um, that's very interesting. Thank you, And I wanted to ask you as well, UM, while you're here, are you surprised how many followers there still are of Q on the tide agrams. There's hundreds of thousands of people still invested invested in this, you know what I mean? Maybe I was being naive. I was quite shocked to see how many people are still
holding on. I'm unfortunately, I'm not surprised just because of how long I've been following it and and um, how often I've seen them weather false predictions. Uh. For example, all the way back in two thousand and eighteen, I saw Q tell Q and on followers that the midterm elections that year would lead to a red wave and meaning that the Republicans would like increase their UM. There are majorities and the Democrats would be shut out, and
reality what happened was that Democrats took the house. I thought this was a clear false prediction that I thought it would dissuade quman On followers from continuing to believe. Of course, that didn't happen at all. So Ever, since then, I realized that a lot of these people they're simply
too invested. They've invested too much time, They've sacrificed too much, They've sacrificed sometimes their family relationships, they've sacrifice their careers, um and so as a consequence of all that sacrifice, there's just there's actually really don't see a scenario in which they would just totally give it up. They really need us to happen. Trevis view the speaking about Nassara and the inability for q and On's to let go
despite the many, many failed predictions. Like Trevis just said, there, these people need this to happen. They've invested so much time and energy into it that basically this has to happen for them, otherwise it has been a huge waste of time. Now, you and me, you might just think, well, if something fails, if it wasn't right, you kind of cut your losses and you leave that start. Well, No, for a lot of the Q and On supporters, things
have got extremely dark. There are people whose whole families have been destroyed by this, and there is even the possibility that one woman was sent so insane by the Q and On mania that she actually committed to murders. We will be talking about that in the next episode of Q Clearance and looking into the ways that this conspiracy theory has done and continues to destroy people's lives. It's quite funny to look at some of the insane theories,
especially looking at Nassarah as we just have. But genuinely, there is some very bad things happening here to people that believe in Q and On and the families and the people that are around them. More on that in the next episode. Q Clearance is brought to you by I Heart Radio and cou Data Media. I'm Jake Hanrahan. You can find me online at Jake Underscore Hanrahan. That's h A N A A h A N. You can
get Q Clearance merch at dark wash dot net. This episode was produced by myself, with fact checking and additional research by Sarah Hiower. The music is by Sam Black and the sound was mixed by Thomas Griffin at splicing Block.