Justice: A Deeper Rationality (Part 1 with Johan Lorenzen)

When day comes we ask ourselves,
where can we find light in this never-ending shade?
The loss we carry,
a sea we must wade.
We've braved the belly of the beast,
We've learned that quiet isn't always peace,
and the norms and notions
of what just is
isn't always just-ice.
And yet the dawn is ours
before we knew it.
Somehow we do it.
Somehow we've weathered and witnessed
a nation that isn't broken,
but simply unfinished.

Excerpt from Amanda Gorman's "The Hill We Climb"

This episode is Part 1 of a conversation Casey and Tim have with Johan Lorenzen.

Johan Lorenzen works at Richard Spoor Attorneys, a small private law firm in Johannesburg, on issues around community land tenure, mining, and workers' and consumer health. He is also a contributor to Just Us Under a Tree, a podcast (mostly) about the Constitutional Court of South Africa.

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