The Hunger Games: The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes (Episode 243)
Shelby and Matt use the long holiday to talk about The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes, a book they didn’t like turned into a movie they can’t agree on.

Shelby and Matt use the long holiday to talk about The Ballad of Songbirds and Snakes, a book they didn’t like turned into a movie they can’t agree on.
Shelby and Matt are surprised by The Marvels—from the runtime, the humor, and all of the hate. With a new director, varied source material, and sexism still to combat, the audience is split on the latest MCU film but Shelby and Matt have a good time talking about it!
The SAG strike is over (0:30). Mean Girls the musical doesn’t want to talk about being a musical (3:45). Taylor Swift sings her heart out back on tour (18:45). And the Grammy noms are out if you’re paying attention (26:40). For love it or hate it (29:10), Shelby gives an update on Selling Sunset and Matt negotiates genres for Nicolas Cage’s Dream Scenario.
Shelby and Matt sort through their feelings on another Elvis-themed movie, this time about his almost child bride, Priscilla. Can Sofia Coppola inject enough pastel pink to bring some color to this quiet character study or is it still holding back on its towering pop icon?
Shelby and Matt have no idea what they’re getting into with the surprise hit Five Nights a Freddy’s. Critics hate this video game turned movie but that’s not stopping it from breaking records and bringing another win for theaters and streaming alike. Is there enough to love about this murdered-kids horror comedy (?) or is it a case of needing to be in on the joke?
Halloween is happening for some of us (1:45). Hasan Minhaj breaks his silence (7:20). Taylor Swift might actually be straight—and swifties have thoughts on 1989 TV (17:15). For love it or hate it (37:40), Shelby talks through Britney Spears’ The Woman in Me and Matt recommends House of Villains.
With Martin Scorcese’s latest epic, Shelby and Matt take about an hour to talk over a 3+ hour movie about a nearly 400 page book. But who does a better job at telling the story? The shocking story of the 1920s Osage murder plot is given the star treatment, but with white men still doing the heavy lifting, is it too much of a good thing or not enough from the right perspective?
Jada Pinkett Smith has more to say about her non-relationship relationship with her non-husband husband (0:40). Sydney Sweeney’s new romcom trailer fails to bring the heat (8:40). Britney Spears is preparing to tell all (11:40). And SAG-AFTRA would like members to remember them this Halloween season (17:30). For love it or hate it (22:40), Matt is waiting for Emily Blunt’s apology for Pain Hustlers and Shelby thinks Love is Blind may have finally gone too far.
Matt finally sat his a** down to watch Taylor Swift’s masterclass that is her new concert movie, Taylor Swift: The Eras Tour. But was it enough to make this hater a lover? Or does he still need to calm down on being so mean? Get ready for it as Shelby and Matt break down the making/reception of the film before *diving in* (ifykyk) to the full concert experience. These self-proclaimed stand ins for the girls and the gays have a marvelous time talking about (ruining?) everything.
Shelby and Matt saw the biggest movie you probably never heard about and now they get to talk about it. Listen as they unpack The Creator, an original concept sci-fi that bravely goes where so many have gone before. Is it good if not original? Is it fun if not a lil harmful? With rants on technobabble and nepo babies, they probably get too heated over a movie that’s probably not worth the fuss.
Taylor Swift’s love life continues to dominate headlines (0:45). Beyoncé is bringing renaissance to theaters near you (17:40). And the studios finally paid WGA their dues (33:30). For love it or hate it (36:45), Shelby is charmed by The Golden Bachelor and Matt recommends Fair Play.
Shelby enlists her sister Laura to talk through all the news she could no longer sit on while Matt's away. Taylor Swift x Travis Kelce (4:15). Sophie Turner vs Joe Jonas (17:23). The Bachelor's Clayton Echard feat. baby mama drama (28:48). For love it or hate it (39:50), Laura lusts after a couple people/thing and Shelby sends them on a tangent to deep space as they discuss Apple TV's Foundation.
Shelby and Matt put on their detective caps for the latest Hercule Poirot murder mystery, A Haunting in Venice. With new twists and daring rewrites, is there enough good here to fill the Nile?
Drew Barrymore walks back across the picket line (0:35). Hasan Minhaj is maybe lying too much? (10:05) *NSYNC is definitely on its way back (20:25). And Anne Hathaway will not be pitting women against women (22:15). For love it or hate it (31:15), Shelby likes how Olivia Rodrigo spills her Guts and Matt applauds Dumb Money.
Shelby and Matt talk about the nepo vehicle You Are So Not Invited to My Bat Mitzvah starring not one, not two, but FOUR Sandlers. This new tween comedy might seem odd on paper, but one of them burst into tears and the other works through some religious trauma live and on air.
Dune is getting pushed back (5:15). The strike marches on (13:40). Ed Sheeran shills for Starbucks (18:15). Scooter Braun faces some potential tayvoodoo — and Matt learns what that is (20:45). Rachel Ziegler is somehow enemy #1 (30:25). For love it or hate it (38:45), Shelby gets the feels from Miley Cyrus’s new song and Matt shows love for the lesbians with Bottoms.
Shelby brings her love for the book and Matt brings his love for abs as they talk about the straight-to-streaming adaption of Red White and Royal Blue.
Taylor Swift dominates the news cycle and Karlie Kloss takes some of the shine (0:30). Lizzo is facing a bad reputation (21:00). And turns out The Blind Side is a pretty apt title (38:25). For love it or hate it (43:12), Matt ships Passages and Shelby recommends the new Hollywood tell-all Burn it Down.
To celebrate five years of medoicre podcasting, Matt and Shelby are taking a walk down memory lane to discuss the pop culture moments that shaped them. Each is summing up their life in 10 media artifacts. Movies, TV, books, concerts, and one amateur audiobook lost to time and space. Want to know the life story of your hosts? Here they are.
Shelby and Matt finish out the Barbenheimer duology with their review of the three hour biopic from the mind of Christopher Nolan. Is it an ode to ego or a cautionary convergence of white dudes? Even on an episode Shelby didn’t want to make, they’re still duking it out for last word on the movie event of the summer.
Ariana Grande is officially not a girl’s girl (6:20). The SAG-AFTRA strike is all for indie darlings (12:15). Barbie is breaking the billion dollar mark (9:35). Michelle Yeoh brought her Oscar to her wedding (18:55). And concert etiquette is out the window (21:55). For love it or hate it (31:10), Matt loves A24’s new horror Talk To Me and Shelby recommends AppleTV’s Hijack.
Theological debates. Feminist grandstanding. Questions of ethical consumption under capitalism. DEI efforts and whether men can ever actually “get” it. Barbie is everything and he’s just Matt.
Shelby and Matt take on the impossible mission of understanding Tom Cruise's latest. It's a dead reckoning of how far they're willing to let plot holes and character gaps go before the action isn't enough to call this a good movie.
The actors are on strike (3:15). Jonah Hill is a menace (16:34). Ben Platt needs to loosen up (23:19). Britney Spears got a book deal (25:03). Ariana Grande lost a husband (28:32). And the Emmys are manifesting a show (29:40). For love it or hate it (37:04) Shelby shares her thoughts on Speak Now (Taylor’s Version) and Matt pivots to The Japanese House.
Shelby and Matt come in hot for Jennifer Lawrence’s new/first R-rated comedy, No Hard Feelings. First to talk about the controversy around an “ick” premise, then to see who loves/hates/laughs the hardest through this slapped together slapstick.
The Oscar’s might be getting a face lift (6:05). Tom Cruise is not happy about Oppenheimer (10:10). Netflix lost Ryan Murphy (14:00). Spotify gave up Meghan and Harry (16:05). Kendall Jenner is not like the other girls (27:05). For love it or hate it (31:40), Matt is sold on season two of Claim to Fame and Shelby is drooling over The Bear.
Shelby and Matt try and find the positive in this listener requested episode on Pixar’s new movie, Elemental. But with little spark and a flood of confusion, they can’t quite breathe life into this half-hearted immigrant/xenophobic/star-crossed lovers/DCOM inspired/“I’m not giving up my dream I’m giving up YOURS” addition to Disney’s fading catalog.
The Flash loses speed at the box office (8:20). Kourtney Kardashian announced her pregnancy (17:00). AI is coming for The Beatles (19:55). Stranger Things has an update (27:40). And swifties finally got Cruel Summer as a single (28:40). For love it or hate it (31:50), Shelby is disappointed by Never Have I Ever and Matt loved -- and learned from -- The Blackening.
Shelby and Matt bring Ciera back on for a book rec roundup. They’re all over the place with likes, dislikes, genre and reason but chances are something will stick — be it sad girl summer, Japanese novels, or whatever the hell Shelby’s reading.