Episode 10 - B-Side Pitcher Draft

Nine and five miles an hour riding to his head. He hopped down first with the lump bonius face, and on the very next pitch he up and stole second face with gretest speed. He wasn't born. He had the yes, uniforn well. Welcome back Episode ten of Prospect B Sides Podcast. I guess, I guess technically it's a podcast, Matt, but so far it's just been you and I on a video conference call because none of them have come out yet. But we are a week later from the last episode.

I'm excited because we're gonna talk pictures. We're gonna we're gonna get into our B side pictures draft. You guys know that I love pictures because they're superior in every way, shape and form. Hitters. They're more successful, they're mostly better looking daggers. This is this is hurtful to the former college hitter and me. You know, as we were talking about prepping for this, I was like, yeah, you know, all pictures are the worst.

They're not even athletes like we have them in this game because we have to and that's the only reason. So all of that you can disregard and and Nate tells me He's going to wipe the floor because I'm wipe the floor with me in this draft because he appreciates pictures. And I'm just like, I don't think so. I think I could hit off all these hitters actually actual, but I am nate. I don't know if I said that. And this is the rookie, Matt the rookie here again. He had me back

after last week. Must have been because we had such good feedback from from last time. All the we had all the listens and all of the B side pitching. Last season was the first time I like sort of picked some names and put them out there. By no means was it the first time first season I did pitching B side, put some stuff out there, and it was a little tricky. I wasn't really sure sort of what roster percentage is would be the right range to look at. But what I discovered we

picked thirty thirty arms last year. I'd say we had some success stories. Three four, five had a lot of guys injured. We'll talk more in depth about some of those guys in future episodes. But what I found was that even as far as roster percentage goes, even a success you go from like zero one percent to like four is that where I think like Julian Aguar was at and Kyder Montero probably the two best B side selections from last year.

Both great picks, by the way, just chiming in here as a former fan and now co host with Nate, those were both really good picks, and I like both those guys. Yeah. Yeah, it was interesting though, because you know, like I've said this before, they were If I would have done a draft with you last year this time, those two guys probably wouldn't have been on my list my draft listing. Why is that Montero's just seemed like a guy with like a decent fastball and an unharnessed slider

that they looked good. You know, that was based my generic why I picked them. Agure was kind of the same story. Fastball, slider looked good. Maybe if you can put some other things together, maybe it'd be good. I didn't like anybody else in the orgle that much. It wasn't like some super wicked smart call on my party like that. A lot of the guys that I probably liked the most, most of them got hurt and didn't really play too much or got traded but I do want to say something

about B side pitching B side stuff. Last week I spoke about that team a little bit where I was like seventy five percent production off of free waiver wire pickups. Right, large majority of that was was trading pitchers. Really. Now, of course we've talked about very league specific kind of stuff, but especially in a thirty points league, two thirds to seventy five percent or more of the league was kind of the same mindset that, hey, we'll

figure out pitching. Hey, I don't want to invest in the volatile pitcher and all that. I believe that leaves a great opportunity to do some B siding there over the last two seasons. I just looked at two of my thirty teen points leagues over the last two seasons. These are all pitchers that I picked up for nothing and ended up trading for some Ain't saying I made great trades. Ain't sandy these guys are great or bad or anything like that.

But basically this was me walking into a casino and getting a free tray of chips, so to speak. Kinder Graham's Roansy Contreris, Mike Burrows, Luis Pelacio's Cole Reagan's, Kyle Bradish, Jury Perez, Randy Vasquez, Hayden, Wesnesky, Bailey, Falterdx Fulton, Porter Hodge, DJ Hurris, Sean Burke, Justin Jarvis, A J. Smith, Shauver, Jared Jones, Christian Mana Kaider, Montero, David Festa, Marcorea, Ben Brown, Bailey, Ober, Luis, Luis Devers, and Matt Brash. That's a fire

list there, that's just all free stuff. And both of those leagues, you know, you can never have enough pitching, right But no one, no one, no One's minor league rosters are full of pitchers. They're definitely looking. That's why I'm trying. And it's it's easier sether than down, but I'm trying. In those leagues, I'm trying to keep I don't know, they're like thirty to thirty five niner spots and I'm trying to go through

third seventy five percent pitchers if I can. But AnyWho, there is value in B side pitching, I think, and you know, former college hitter here again, I hate all college pitchers. I hate all pictures everywhere, but they are necessary evil And Nate makes a great point in your points leagues, and even in your rotos and your cats leagues, a good free or

cheaply acquired pitching roster can really free you up. So if you get even a little bit of an edge from your pitchers, even in a league that sort of devalues pitching, as you know, a real league probably should, it's still worth your time to dive into these hidden gems that might be stuck in the in the mud. So that being said, I don't know. There's maybe a few guys that I'll talk about tonight, maybe a couple that

I probably that I roster right now. But for the most part, this sort of level, this sort of depth to me, even in the in those deep leagues, it's more right now at this juncture, watch list kind of stuff. I don't know if I'm going to draft any of these guys in my upcoming draft in those leagues, maybe a few, just some guys keep an eye on pitching can change so quickly, in my opinion, for some guys, a little tweak here or there can make all the difference in

the world. I was just listening to a radio show. They were talking to Paul Seawall, and the Mariners picked him up and they got him to throw his fastball up in his zone and that went from potentially his pro baseball career being over to being a closer in the playoffs right now. So yeah, I don't know Matt anything, anything else you want to add before we get into the draft. As a as a Mariners fan, go Paul Seawald

and go d Backs tomorrow in their Game seven. We've had some fun CS's this go around, and you know, I think that if we do our job well here in this draft, we might find some guys that end up on on these kinds of rosters. Because in my deep leagues, I generally take the sort of call it conventional wisdom approach of like, you got to spend for your hitters, So I definitely pay up for the performing hitters in the minors, in and in the majors, and then I try and find

off the wire these guys that might accruse some value. And so mat league guys that I've traded are like your Bryce Elders, your JP Francis who nobody wanted, got super late in drafts or picked up for free off the wire, and then turn them into other things and then see them have success, and you know JP France pits few innings here in the game seven for the Houston Astros. So some of these guys if we if we do it right, they might be on a CS or a World Series team next year.

You had brought this up a few days ago to me, but you can, like potentially, I don't know if it's quite this level of lack of popularity, but I drafted in a in a first year player slash unowned prospect draft Justin Steele in the first round and got a lot of grief for that, and not in no way, shape or form that I think it would this season would turn out like it did for him. That's an unowned, unrostered potential, sly young winner, which love that. I think we're going

to talk about him again. Very different feeling than B side hitters anything. I think that's right. No, I I think you're right. Pitching as wild it is. And I think you mentioned this too when we were talking leading up to this, that Dynasty players are definitely getting better. It's harder to find these guys that truly are unowned or really really low down prospect lists.

It's hard to fake hitting, like it's really really hard to fly under the radar for very long and even when even when they are not performing, say someone like Roman Anthony at low A this year. You look ato the service numbers and traditionally people be like, who's that guy. He's not a prospect. But the smart Dynasty owners were like, no, this is real. He is very, very good, and he's exploded. You know,

he's top twenty prospector basically everywhere. That happens so rarely now for hitters, but I'm so on board with either that happens all the time for pitchers. They are a tweak away, or they add two miles an hour on their fastball because they went to drive line, or they add a new pitch and tack it on to the rest of what they've got, and all of a sudden, you've now got a guy like somebody who nobody thought was anything,

and he's now performing in the major leagues. And I think that's that's why it is really fun trying to identify who might be those guys in the minors like that nobody's really interested in but they're a tweak away, or maybe they've already made the tweak and people just haven't caught up yet, or health away we were talking before. I feel like they're both craft, but the craft

of pitching just feels very different to me than the craft of hitting. I don't know if it's because you're starting the action or whatever it might be, but there seems like so many, so many more avenues to being a successful pitcher than perhaps there are to being a successful hitter. Do you think that's fair to say? I do, and I think that that's something that we

in college we definitely intuited this. We would face a picture that we'd call Johnny right hander who he was just like eighty eight to ninety two from the right side. It was going to be a straight fastball, a slider, and a show me change. And we saw that so many times that every time we got we are facing, and that's the guy on the scouting report, we'd be like, hell, yes, this is exactly who we want

to be facing. And then we get a scouting report and it's like it's a lefty, it's three quarters, it's eighty three to eighty five, and we're like, oh, this guy's going to be so easy. Look at that velo. He's not gonna get it by anybody. And then he chopped us. You know those guys because they look weird, they're funky, they've got movement and deception, and it's because they don't look like anything else. You know. There's a famous study that was done a couple of years ago.

I think, I think on Fangrafts. They looked at why are left handers like Clayton Kershaw, you know, one of the greatest left handers of all time, but stuff wise, he's worse than Justin Berlander or worse than Max Sures are like throws slower, his pitches move less, all of that, and so they're asking, like, in the population of pitchers, why is it that even the very good left handers always have worse stuff than the very good right handers, but they perform at the same level, like their

numbers are the same or better. Eventual summary was it's because they look different. There are fewer lefties in the population, so coming up, hitters don't see left handers, and so left handers can quote get away with the same kind of a fastball or the same movement on a slider, but because it's coming from a different place, the hitters they don't have that in their mental library of what pitches look like and therefore it works better. And I think

that that's true across all pitchers. If you look different than Johnny right hander or Johnny left hander, you're going to be more successful. And I think that this is still something that we're understanding about pitch shapes better. But you look at an organization like the Giants, who all of their relievers threw from different armslots this year. All of their starters are kind of weird, like

they're all they're all throw from different places. And I think they do that on purpose because that effect is magnified even within a pitching staff or within a bullpen, and there's there's something to that, like that being different not just from all the other pitchers in the populace, but also the pictures on the staff that you're in, that that helps your stuff play way up above what it otherwise should. Amen, Matt, I just had like I had a

very profound sense of deja voo. Just now, Sorry I got I got lost in my de Is that a good thing? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I mean it again. I think it might just be my b siding

soulmate, Matt, but I don't want to dnx things just yet. I love it I love it, Nate, and and you definitely have the edge here and in pitching, both in in your willingness to sit through all those dumb pictures throwing their stupid pitches, but also you've been doing the song or so I think I have the first pick in this in this too, because you're doing the rookie and I'm way worse at this than you. God,

I know who you're taking, I know who this is. Do it. I was gonna take who you think I'm gonna take, But because I know you're a good guy, you're not gonna take him with your first pick, I don't think. But now I'm nervously going to take my guy. So I'm going to go a different direction with my first pick, and we'll definitely get to my guy next. But I'm taking Kaiwai Tang with my first pick. Yeah, okay, all right, this is I think this is a

guy who is greater than the sum of his parts. Stack cast. He's a Giants pitcher, starting pitcher. He's made it up to Triple A, had a decent showing in Triple A. His numbers were not good there, and that's one reason why nobody's on him. But they were pretty good at his levels. At the levels below that stack cast, we got some stack caass numbers because he did pitch in the PCL and so that was nice to dive into. Says he has a full six pitch mix, and when it

says six pitches, like he literally does throw six pitches. There were a couple of outings where every single one of his pitch types were at ten percent or above, and like four of them were at fifteen percent or above. So that's like he's a guy out there throwing the kitchen sink, you know, four seam, two seam, cutter, slider, changeup, and curveball. He's kind of a bigger guy, you know, six' four, Like he looks maybe like two eighty, Like he's big. He's a big

dude. Not the best on man athlete, and he I think has some control problems because of that, Like he doesn't command the ball as well as I normally like to see in these B side guys. But he does a few things that I really like. He was getting strikeouts a lot of them, like, way more than anybody I think would have expected given his total lack of profile. Nobody talks about this guy. His ownership is one percent. When I pulled this on fan tracks, it's I think because he doesn't

throw hard. He is throws in the tops out at like ninety three I think on the four seam, but it's mostly like eighty nine to ninety two. And he's a righty and so you're like, ah, that's not very good. But he punched out almost thirteen per nine in Double A this year.

He's twenty four, so you know, like that's age appropriate. Yeah, and he walked three point eight, which is higher than I like even like that's but if you're punching out almost thirteen per nine, like that's still a pretty good fit coming out of that gets a decent amount of ground balls. Not great. At Double A it was just forty percent, but when he was up in Triple A it was at forty four, So like hovering right around average. But I also don't think he gives up a ton of

loud contact. Like I watched a couple of his starts in Triple A when he gave up a bunch of runs and they were funny. It was a lot of soft contact that found a hole or a flare because a couple guys were on because he walked one, hit one and thrown a wild pitch. Like his starts are roller coasters, but he's got this slider and cutter and curveball that I kind of think he should just pitch off. And I even wonder if, like dropping the four seam all together is the way to go

for him. But he seems like a man step forward away from being a really useful fourth or fifth starter in maybe the best part to pitch in in San Francisco, and he's already at Triple A. They've got an aging rotation by and large there. I mean, you know, you've got Logan Webb and Kyle Harrison and then after that it's a bunch of older guys that they

might have around for another year. And Manayah and Cobb, I think that they're not going to keep signing a bunch of those guys, And depending on what way the big league club decides to go, you know, they're kind of straddling competitiveness. And we'll see whether they make a splash with Otani this offseason, like some have rumored. I kind of think there might be a spot for this guy. I think he could succeed, you know, if he's not given up a ton of homers, and he's got a decent defense

behind him. Because that defense for the Triple A Giants I don't think was very good this year. Watched the decent amount of them. He might be a guy and he might come up, and so again, going for some of this is sort of gaming our game. Like if he comes up is a starter and gets some run, I think that one percent is going to turn into fifteen pretty quickly. Now he might be a relief guy there. Like I said, the command at Triple A was poor, and the command

at the end of last year was poor as well. But I think he's an adjustment away, like he's tinkerer. He's got six pitches seven sometimes, I think, and he'll change how he attacks hitters, like some starts he just uses three. Some starts he's using all six. And that tells me a little bit to the point you were talking about earlier, that he's a

craftsman. He's trying to perfect this craft and if he can rain in his command just a little bit and hone in on these pitches that I do think play way up, like his cutter and his slider I think are both actual plus pitches. His curveball could be, but he almost never seems to know

where it's going, and then his two seems okay. I think those are his four pitches, and if he can hone those in and throw some strikes with them, this might be an actual fourth fifth starter, kind of along the lines of like like a Bryce Elder, like that kind of guy. You know, Bryce has better commands, but similar range of stuff and similar sort of large repertoire that he uses to keep people off balance. And I think that that might be the kind of guy that Kaiwaitang could be. So

that's my first pick right on. Very interesting. I won't lie when you made that pick. It took me a minute to get that picture in my mind. Do you happen to be a listener of Dynasty Sports Life? Two years ago or so, there was somebody on a podcast talking about him, who me I was, ah, I love it. I think he had knuck onto the back of like some top one hundred pitching list that I did back then. What I remember, And I won't lie, I haven't.

I don't think I've watched him at all the last two seasons. So at this point, he was still pretty sure maybe it was Higa but I think he was still giant San Jose, right, Yeah, it might have been high. And remember like just he could spin it, he could spin it, and and I it's hard, it's so hard to tell, especially with our vantage points that we get on video, Like, but I suspected that even back then he was playing with some of his spin adding subtracting someone his

slider. Well, and that's how statcast approaches his slider, Like, I think, you know, it did look like they were calling separate pitches when they were when when he was out there, But like his slider, his cutter, and his curveball really are on a spectrum. And I do think that he manipulates that that and at times pretty well. So that's I think I think your intuition from years ago was right on. Well, that's and it's tricky, you know, especially down on the lowers when you watch sometimes

it's just inconsistent some you know, sometimes sometimes we're just inconsistent. But some every once in a while you get a guy who you're like, I think

there's some purpose behind this. I've written about this before and chat about this, and this might be kind of silly, but this is this is legit something that I look for on a daily basis in minor league baseball, and that's that's what do I call it FQI or some fqoh, And that's go six innings, give up three earned runs or less, two walks or less, strikeout more than six and then you know, don't have like a super crazy whip for the game or whatever. And on August thirtieth against Albuquerque,

he went six, struck out seven, gave up four hits. I don't know if that's probably not his most recent start, but some triple a success there for your guy. Yeah, and it wasn't the easiest go round, Like we were talking about at the outset, the PCL is a nightmare, and he does some things that make that even worse, Like he threw ten wild pitches this year and I saw probably five of them. They were they

were not close. And he walks a lot of guys. He hits a lot of batters like he doesn't have the best command, and that is unusual for the kind of guy that I'm going to go for in a draft like this. But his proximity and the fact that he does have some plus stuff in there, like the slider and the curveball, I think those are plus because he really does spin it. I think that that combination might might return

some value, and I like that. I think that's a good call to sort of game our game, because I mean, any starter who gets a chance to start in the BIGS is going to get a jump in in percentage. We'll see down the road, how many years down the road if it sticks. But yeah, indeed, all right, sang okay. I got nervous for a second there when I thought you were going to take my guy, especially given what we were talking about. I want to hop into a

time machine just real quick and go back to the dark ages. Especially now what the Rangers are up eleven to three in the bottom of the eighth. It looks like they're going to the World Series. So I don't go back to twenty twenty draft and give the Rangers some legit B siding props, because they were real life b siding, especially on the prep end. Obviously, Evan Carter right took him in the second round. People were scratching their heads,

who's this guy? All that stuff? Right? Perfect Game had him unranked slash five hundred, tied with like five hundred other guys at five hundred Thomas S. Gasey was not ranked to Roby was ranked seventy seventh by Perfect Game. They took him in the third round. Stealan McLain was four hundred

and eleventh. They took him in the fourth round. And then these guys crushed some prep undrafted free agents that year. They signed Aiden Curry, Josh Steven and then my pick here, DJ McCarty. Good one cardy is he'll be twenty one to start this season from one of the minor league towns in California. I don't remember which one. He got in seventy four single A innings this past season. He's listed at six to two and one hundred and

forty five pounds, which is not correct at all. If he's six to two, i'd probably say he's two hundred pounds or close to mid September Fan tracks raster percentage was zero. Matt. We were talking about a different look, right getting a different look from a pitcher, and I feel like McCarty drips with that. So he's right handed pitcher. I don't know if I said that he's got a slider that I think he plays with a little bit.

We'll throw it a little bit firmer, a little bit softer, take a little more on and off, but it is it's a freak pitch and I don't necessarily mean it in this context like freak good, but it's just a freak outlier pitch. Bye bye by the good juicy under the hood metrics too. I spoke with an amateur scout with the Rangers about McCarty a little bit the other day, and he's he's different, and he's got a different release He's got a kind of a a different sort of like old school motion.

I love this. This is arbitrary, it means nothing, but I love guys who bring the glove over their head and their wind up. He does the like super extended and you know, you hear like Tom House talk about how it's unnecessary and all that stuff, but there is some functionality to it. If you're a guy who's setting your grip behind your head, that could be some function to it. But he like kind of reaches reaches real far back, and he's just he has a different sort of release point.

It's not even like great extension or anything like that, but it's a different look. And he's got this slider that I'm watching on at bat right now, first pitch, this thing is starting at the right hand hitter's hip and ends up six seven inches off the plate outside velocity wise, on the slider, I think you can go from high seventies to mid eighties. I believe you know. I like guys with three different speeds fast, medium, slow.

I think Cardi's medium speed is a big question mark to me. And he's got a sinker he throws throws a couple of different varietals of fastball, but the sinker as well is a very different pitch. You're not going to find a lot of pitches like that. Now on video, I can tell that it has has some good late late movement and there's some inconsistency with his movement. He pitched at Augusta early in the year. That's the best view you're going to get of his stuff. But it is speaking speaking to the

amateur scout. With them, it is different, and that's and kudos to the Rangers because I think I think they're onto something. They're on the very much what you were talking about, Matt, and they they're finding some pitchers that have some very different and unique traits and they're valuing them and going after them and trying to mold. But actually, what I like about McCarty and the most, he's a freaking robot. His motion. I mean he looks

like a robot, dude. I mean, look, it's like kind of awkward looking, but all that stuff, but it's so repeated and he's so calm and just gets the ball, does the same thing every time, boom and and and you can see that in the execution he's got. He's got some pitches with some wild movement and he spots some extremely well, especially for you know, a guy who's just getting into full season ball. I'm looking for that middle. I'm looking for guys with the plus execution and some plus

weapons. And when you can get those two to marry, then you really got something. And out of all the fifteen hundred arms I started with this process, mc cargy's my first choice. Now, I love it. I love it. That's a good pick. If you look at his season numbers and speaking with the scout, Yeah, you know, like all these guys, Oh, he's probably a reliever. Yeah, well they're all probably relievers

unless they're like really good. Yeah, and I get it. There's there's maybe not a medium speed, there's maybe this kind of like outlier pitch that you know, maybe it plays well and gives guys trouble for an inning there two, and that's fine. That's especially this level. I'm okay with a little bit of question about that. But I don't think there's a question that they're going to give him a go at trying to start and that it goes.

If you look at his game logs, that might seem a bit contradictory because he started off start more going to seventy close to eighty pitches and then they kind of like tapered them off a little bit. But it's like last fifteen games, fifteen appearance, no excuse me. His last four games, his last fifteen innings one point two ERA, point six WIP, thirteen point two k per nine, one point two walk, strike percentage of sixty five percent, gave up one home run. He didn't give up very many home

runs all year. You know, all the surface levels he put up some gaudy looking surface level stats three eer well that stuff K for nine over ten, walks were a little bit higher, But I mean, for a guy with as much movement as he gets, I'm pretty impressed with his walk rate. To be honest, I liked all the looks that I saw of him, and I don't know, I don't know how much more gushy I can get on DJ McCarty here. I think the other thing that it seems like

his stuff does well is he keeps it on the ground there. He's not giving up a ton of fly balls. He's that two seamer or the fastball really does seem like it's got some good run. And that slider, you know, a lot of times like a slider, if it's getting hit, it's getting hit in the air and hard, and his does not seem to

be that kind of slider. So yeah, and on my list too, and I thought I thought he was impressive as well nice And you know, of course all these guys will have to see how some of this stuff plays, and he's got some different stuff. But I like my chances here. If it goes well, it could it could get gaudy fairly quick. I think, now there's some downside. And he throws, sorry, he throws a fast fastball. You know, it's funny. I talked with his scout

for a good minute and we never once brought up fastball velocity. And I'm not even totally sure what it is. I'm going to guess ninety two to ninety four. I don't know. But the way that just from the video, the way that it looks, the way that it plays, I don't think it has to be really hard to be effective. Obviously, if it is really hard, even better, right. I don't like that he has

no change up. He didn't throw one change up all year, So, like I said, maybe he does just end up as this kind of like weirdo reliever. But for my B side, draft DJ McCarty. Now we're going up to hi A, you know, because if there's one ding on a picture like McCarty, it's that he was good, not great at a

lower level. And as things as you rise, like you see this trend when you look over guy's numbers and you run any analysis of it, is your strikeouts go down, your walks go up, your ground balls go down. As the hitters get better, right, like the hitters start dominating the pitchers, you know, because pitching is it's hard. I feel for those poor bastards on the mound. But this guy that I'm picking next, Nate

knows my deep abiding love for Red Van Scooter read Van Scooter, and he spells his name funny, but I'm pretty sure it's Van Scooter. That's how you say it. When I first read his name, I was like, Van Scooter, van Scotter like, but no, I think it's read van Scooter. He is with the Mariners, one of my favorite teams, and this year he spent the full year at at High for them. He was

a twenty twenty two draft pick, fifth rounder out of college. He's just one of these guys that I have a lot of respect for from when I played. These were the guys, especially early in my career. I'd play against lefties and occasional rightings, and this was the kind of guy that I had to face. I was telling Nate at the as we're getting set up, like having a different look and having to deal with a pitcher that actually knew how to pitch, that had three or four pitches, could command them

to both sides of the plate. It made these really good hitters look terrible because it was so different to me. I don't think any pitcher in the minor leagues was more like that than Read Van Scooter. You know, compare him to someone like a mayor who at a mazer rather who has really good command? Right, this guy might have the best command in the minors given the stuff. He walked two point two per nine, struck out nine point eight six and I give him that eighty six and ran a two point nine

to four FIP. And yeah, he's a college arm, he's advanced, he's a lefty with some deception. But he dominated hi A. And there are some pitchers parks in that league, you know, Everett, his home park was not an easy place to pitch. Spokane not an easy place to pitch. Even the parks that play a little more neutral in that in that league, like Hillsborough and Eugene still not easy. It's not like this was a It's not like this was the Sally League where half the parks are really

really good to pitch in and then you've got Ashville or whatever. You know, this is like this is the big boy. It's it's tough there. And there were some good players around that league throughout the year. And he threw one hundred and forty three and a third innings, So I love that. Like, again, you want to talk about predictors for future success. If you throw a lot of innings. A. That means the organization believes in you as a starter. B. You've got a floor to build on

the next year. You know the fact that he's at high A already, He's going to start next year at double A for sure, and he might pitch there the whole year. And I gotta be honest, like, if this, if they're if the Mariners deal with injuries and they're starting rotation next year, the Evan Scooter might be their pick, Like he might be the

guy who was pitching for the Mariners next year. You look at the guys that they've given a lot of innings to over the past years, like Marco Gonzalez, they share a lot of the same traits, lefties with good command, not plus stuff. For Van Scooter, you know, he's kind of a three quarter slot, maybe even a touch lower from the left side. His fastball doesn't look like it has a ton of run, but certainly some movement, and he manipulates it around the zone enough that he'll get whiffs up

in the zone. He'll get strikes taken on the inside part of the plate because it froze a right handed hitter. But his money pitch is his slider. And he manipulates the spin on this a bit. I think like it might bleed into his curveball a little bit, certainly in the broadcast, as Nate knows for this, particularly in the Northwest League, it's tough. They don't have velocity, and a lot of the angles are pretty tough. So there were times when I'm like, Ah, is that a slider or is

that his curveball? So they can bleed into each other a little bit. But both are good, Both get it strike swings and misses, tons of ground balls from both of them. I think he ran, yeah, fifty seven point five percent ground ball rate. That's not the highest in the minor leagues, but for anyone over one hundred and twenty innings, I think it was in the top five. And he didn't walk anybody, and he still was getting people to wh like this to me is a dream kind of pitcher.

Like in all the ways that I was hedging with Tang like he's at a higher level. There's more to work on here. I'm a full believer that Van Scooter could pitch in the major leagues next year. He might not be great, but he's got more in common with a guy like justin Steel than you think. And again, like I brought him up to some of

my contacts in the game, and the Mariners really like him. A couple of my friends that work for the Mariners are like, they gave him Pitcher of the Year for their organization, and this is an organization that has some

pretty good guys, the guys that I think there's more helium on. But for me, Van Scooter is maybe my single favorite pitcher that I saw this year in the minor leagues, and I think he's one that you PLoP him down in the big leagues and he's gonna pound the zone, he's gonna hit the edges, he's going to get weak ground balls, and he's just a competitor too, Like the guy pitched them to the title. I'm pretty sure Everett won the Northwest League title this year, and I think he pitched their

first game there and did great. Like he's he is just like you were gushing over McCarty, like Van Scooter is my guy, Like he is someone that popped on a couple of leader boards early in the year. I was like, who is this guy. I've literally never heard of him, and he is chopping everybody and yeah, so I'm taking with my pick too, but really he's number one in my heart. He's also got a great mustache too, so he brings a little bit of flair. He's a really good

pitcher. Like sometimes this gets a little lost in my opinion in the Dynasty world. Like he he knows how to optimize what he's working with. How many f QoS do you think Van Scuter had this year. I'm gonna guess ten eight and that's close, yeah, very close. And that's uh, folks, don't get close to that. Yeah, I'm telling you. Like this guy, it was just metronomic the way that he did it. Just every time out. You knew that he was going to be in the mix.

And like when he gets pulled in the middle of an inning, he's pissed. He's like, I've got this, Like nobody's gonna get to me. He didn't have blow ups this year, like because he didn't walk anybody, and when he did or he hit a batter like double play next next play, you know, and he had a good infield behind him. Coley Young plays pretty good shortstop and they're they're AFO could run it down a little

bit. So you know, he had some defensive help too, But man, I'm on it like this guy, I think he's gonna chop in double A next year because that's that's a pretty good pitchers league down there at Arkansas. Whether they bring him up to the PCL like that, Mariners kind of generally don't do that, or especially with their top guys like Wu Miller. I guess Miller pitched a little bit in the PCL this year before he came up. But Wu was double A only, Kirby was w double A.

Only Gilbert was double A only. Yeah, so you know they've got a ton of pitchers. So again, most likely he's gonna spend the whole year in double A and maybe maybe the hitters are going to catch up to him and he's gonna see some stuff regress. I'm betting that he runs almost the same line next year, Like it's gonna be nine, it's gonna be like just under nine k per nine. He's not gonna walk anybody. It's gonna

be two five walks per nine. It's gonna be fifty four percent ground balls, like it's gonna be this line, but just the next level up, and that double A line translates pretty freaking well to the to the big So yeah, now, guys like this, at least for me, the biggest question is always all right, well, how is your stuff going to play in the zone, you know as you move up? And I think,

uh, it's just because we're you know, under the fantasy context. Here, a lot of the pictures that I really like a lot that I want to marry, so to speak, guys that are aggressive in the zone right and not always necessarily have this big overpowering stuff. Point being, there are also guys that I don't like right out of the gates in fantasy because chances are they're gonna get their tits with for a while until they learn how to

pitch aggressively like that against the best hitters in the world. So it'll be interesting to see with him as he moves up here totally, and I think that like, this is a guy that you look at his fastball and you're gonna see some velocity readings when he's up at double A that next year, and it's not going to jump off the page. I think the scouts that I talked to, they said that he was like topping out at ninety one ninety two maybe, but it was mostly like up eighties to low nineties.

I think the way he's got sort of a flat approach angle with his arm, because it's sort of that three quarter he might throw a two seam and a force. I think I've seen both out of him, and he I was encouraged by the kinds of guys that he was getting to with too. It wasn't like he was feasting on bad hitters. He was really taking advantage of guys that had really good years in the Northwest League, and he made

him look silly. Love it. And You're lucky that I'm a nice guy because you passed on him on the first pick, I would I should have jumped on that, but you could articulate any But yeah, all right, so my second pick, I want to stretch. This is not a homer pick. I was a fan of Tyler Schweitzer. I mean, not that

I'm a huge follower of college baseball or amateurs these days, but Schweitzer was a guy that got my attention in college. It just so happened that the White Sox drafted him. It just so happens that I wasn't really thrilled about that, But now I think, But now I think I might be a little bit. It might be oddly a weird fit Tyler Schweitzer at not super big six foot, I think, you know, and like sort of a skinny athletic six foot. I don't know what they what do they have them

listed at? There we go. This is a type that dynasty players, I think can let slip through the cracks sometimes to folks like us. Last I checked was zero percent rostered. He'll be twenty three next season. He was a fifth round choice, like I said, out of ball State twenty twenty two draft. He got in sixty eight A ball innings and forty high

A innings this last season, you know, his amateur career. It was really like kind of his last season that he came on and he was he was billed as the command guy, like you said prior, some of all its parts, right, some of all his parts sort of guy. But he went on the developmental list three times this season. And I know there's we've had some chatter in the dugout and I don't This checks out to me in several different ways, But I think the White Sox like the tinker with

guys. But you know, to go on the developmental list. Schweitzer has to agree to it, and he did, and I think he came back, at least this last time, with a little bit more teeth on the fastball, perhaps even the whole arsenal. His fastball is probably fits ninety two ninety three, but there you can get up there three four more clicks from time to time. I don't know if that was really going on at ball State. So one hundred and seven innings this year, which is nice,

you know. I think the way, especially that system too. I think Schweitzer is going to get a chance to be a starter, perhaps relatively soon, perhaps before he's even ready, perhaps out of desperation. They had like a eer just under four, you know, surface number stuff, not too crazy, ten k for nine walks for a little bit higher. But mind you, all three times when he came back there was I think this is a guy working with a little bit different tools than he came in with.

And he's kind of like a fifties across the board guy with the full starter's mix, but like a fifty five sixty command coming out of college grade. Then you know, I'm not a huge like grade guy. I thought it interesting watching him like man this doesn't look this doesn't look quite like a super high command guy. But he's also I would say, like the level of difficulty of his sequencing and what he was working with is higher the most. But this is very much a guy that I think can be a major league

starter. He's got all the tools. I want to see the execution get a little bit better with perhaps his shinier tools. But you know, a lefty like you were saying that these stuff doesn't always have to be the most eye popping. His splitter good. He was actually a bit better versus righties, which is nice to see from lefty. Like I said, he's got a curveball, slider change. I think he knows that he used them fairly

well, can locate them fairly well. And you know, one thing that we don't really talk about a whole lot, or at least I don't hear folks talking about when you say, like a guy's guy. You know, he's got a really good slider And this is the great part of video to me, But like, is the slider great just like in one spot or is there a couple of spots? Can you hit it? Can you execute

it there? Often? So like you know, within one pitch. I feel like you've got several different pitches, right, Not everyone has all three of them in there that if that makes sense. But when I watch him, I liked the theory of what he's trying to execute. Maybe that's the best way to put it, and I think he can get You're not worried about the other pitchers sort of ahead of him in the pecking order and the

White Sox system. And I think for me, you answered the question that I had because I didn't watch any of his stuff because I saw that walk number and I was kind of scared off, you know, given where he was. But it sounds like he had stuff to work on, and you think he can leaplog leapfrog guys like Mana or Nistrini in that system most definitely. I mean, am I gonna bet that he does? Yeah? Well, I don't know about the streaming I'm not a fan of. Maybe it's

the best to answer your question. Do I think that too much talent is gonna get in the way of his opportunity? No, I do not. That's a good way to put it. Yeah, Like I said, I think there's a lot of tweaking and stuff going on here, But like his last seven starts thirty innings, he had a three e R O a e R A one point three whip and the walks were five point four. I mean his whole five point four per nine. I mean that's that's two three

more walks per nine than the rest of his season. Like I said, I'm and I could be wrong, but I'm I'm banking some of the high walk rates on on some changes and some new things going on with Schweitzer. Back to me for my third pick, I'm gonna go to a guy in the newly defeated Houston Astros system. If you saw they just they just lost. Whoa, whoa, Okay, Astros. This is I'm super curious because

there are so many b side type guys in the Astros system. In my opinion, there are, and a few of them are on my list. I watched a lot of Astro's arms and you know, like I mentioned earlier, I'm reading Evandrelic's book that winning fixes everything about the Astros. Fascinating read. But you definitely like there were a lot of smart people there who have gone on to other places too. Yeah, And one of the things that I think they're way ahead of the game on is their minor league development.

I think they really are doing something right here. Every year the big publications are like they don't have a system anymore. They traded them all they have like two guys and they're not any good, and then they promote them and like they're a useful big leaguer. You know McCormick, Like who was he And he's like a two win center fielder that they got for nothing. And they're the worst. They don't know what they're doing. They're awful. Yeah,

they're the worst. I mean they are the worst, Like they cheaters, and they seem pretty terrible in lots of other ways. But they are smart, and I think following some of the things that they're doing might prove useful for dynasty owners. So I'm going to go with right hander Tyler Gilfoyle. Tyler was college right hander for the Atlantic Sun Lipscomb. For Lipscomb and Lipscomb actually popped up on a few of my B side selections as we're prepping

for some of the team by team stuff like surprisingly good little program they've got there. He left in twenty twenty one after twenty one to go to Kentucky, So he spent a season in the SEC, but he was a reliever the whole time his whole college career at Kentucky. He sort of is like

a fireman reliever. You know. He threw fifty some innings over twenty one games, so like a lot of those obviously were multi in outings, and he was good, I would say, like solid number, solid k per nine, little bit of a walk problem, you know, pretty good at Kentucky. I guess he got his walks down to three per nine, but six before that four and a half six, Like he never won that. You would say, has has good control. And again he's doing this in

short stints, like he's probably max efforting it. Eighth rounder in twenty twenty two. Eighth rounder, So two hundred and fifty two picks went before this guy, and he's my third pick in this this little draft. His current ownership on fan tracks is one percent. He was at High A this year. I think Houston have something here, like they turned this closer into a starter. And my first look at him, I was like, who in the f is this guy? Because it was you know, like maybe ninety

one to five on the fastball, so not overpowering. But guy, we're just getting blown away by it. So I suspect I don't have confirmation on this, but I suspect that there are some good looking traits. He's a big guy, you know, he's six' five, I think six' four. They have n't listed, but he looks big, kind of looks like he is overpowering these guys. I also think I read that in college he was mostly fastball, curveball, but I think Houston have changed that breaking

ball into a slider and it's nasty. Dives it down in underneath lefties bats and they aren't close. He gets with in and out of the zone to Righty's. Really was impressed with how he's working on his change up, like he actively. There was one start that I watched where he started an inning with a change up, left it over the plate, gave up a hit through another change up, next pitch, through another change up, missed off the plate, in through another change up, three in a row, gave

up a hit. So given up two hits three pitch, and he'd missed a phone. So bad execution on the change up. He kept going back to it that inning and got a double play and a strikeout. I think the strikeout was on the slider, but he threw a change up from that bat, and I was like, that's a guy to go back to our earlier point, that is working on how to be a starter. Like these

were right on right changeups that he didn't need to throw. He's got a good fastball, okay, command, it's not great yet, he's got four pitches and he was throwing his worst one in important innings because he was working on it. And I think that that was a sign. It's a sign of he's he's a guy who is still growing into being a starter. So all those caveats right, the guy dominated Hi a for the Astros. And if you know the high Astros play where and is that a good place to

pitch? I've heard that No, No, it is one of the very worst places outside of the PCL to pitch. And he over thirteen per nine, walked three point seven per nine, so a little higher than you'd like,

but not awful. Again, if you're striking out more than thirteen per nine, give up less than a homer per nine eight point three three point fifty babbep and he's still put up a four or five Era four, five seven, But it's FIP three three six and none of these are park adjusted, and I'm pretty sure that if you park adjust those things like this is a ridiculously good pitching line for where he was. That was just like his last few starts. He also dominated at low A for Houston. He started

not every game. I think they were piggybacking him early in the season, but towards the end of the year he was starting more often than not. Still through eighty four innings on the year, so not as much as like a guy like Van Scooter, but there's a platform there and I think he's shown enough to continue success. But I'm way into it. I think there's there's still giving him run as a starter. I think he, like Van Scooter, is going to end up in double A next year. And I

am really really impressed with I love right on right change ups. I think it's a super underutilized pitch. I love that he throws them in weird counts more than a lot of the guys that I evaluated, But like that we're flying under the radar. His stuff seems good, like he runs it up to ninety five and the fastball is good, you know, it looks like it's got that kind of ride that you want to see. His slider is a swing and Mitch pitch, and he's still working on a change up and

his kurb ball that he'll show sometimes. I'm I'm way in. I think Tyler Gilfoyle is going to be a guy, and maybe more than even my first two picks. Like, I think he's one that the strikeouts might stay there, like that he as the levels go up, I think he might keep punching guys out. And so it's about canny hone it in on the

walks a little bit, and he's going to give up some homers. He hasn't up to this point, but he's the kind of guy that, like he's going to pitch at the top of the zone, He's going to give up a lot of fly balls. I think he is going to give up some homers as he raises, as he rises in the ranks. But I'm kind of buying it. I think that there's a real picture here, and

he's again one percent. Nobody owns him in any of my leagues, Like, but he's someone that I'm targeting pretty early on in in my drafts this offseason. Yeah, that's a that's a great call, Matt, for sure. I've been ready for this draft for several weeks now and it's been a minute since I watched him, and I'll speak on him a little bit when we talk about the Astros. I don't want to blur him together with some

of the other guys. When it came down for my choice for the Astros, I mean a lot of orgs, I'm like, okay, all right, I guess so, and then you get to the assrooms, like I got a dozen guys here that I like all of them, and it's such I have like four more still on my my list here that are from the ASTROS that I'm like, yeah, I think this might be a guy you know, yeah, yeah. It's it's such a great b siding hunting ground

of both and pitchers that organization. It's funny, man. You know, you're in some chat rooms or whatever and listen to some other podcasts and stuff, and people will talk about great like pitching development. Dude, they'll name like five organizations and maybe they'll mention the Astros. They just have like a totally homegrown staff that won a World series, I mean, other than Verlander or whatever. But yeah, good stuff. I like it all right.

Round three. This is a bit ironic to me because I am that shy. I do like to throw shade on Dodgers pitching prospects. De siding with Dodger pitching prospects. It's difficult because they're also dang popular. I'm gonna go with now. They call him German Rosario on all of the broadcasts, but the last I checked, Jay's are silent in Spanish, right, I mean they're not chilopano y. Yeah, it should be yeerming rose A. Right he is. That's how I'd say it. Yeah, right, Jerman Rosario,

j E R M I N G. Rosario right hand pitcher. This is the most popular guy that I'm going to select to talk about tonight. He's at one percent listed at six to one, one hundred and seventy five pounds. I don't know. Maybe you give him a little bit more, I don't. I don't know if he's that tall though, and maybe take the under. He's not a big guy, but he was a twenty eighteen international free agent out of the Dominican He will be twenty one s already next

season. He got in twenty five a innings and sixty seven high A innings. Now he is Rule five eligible this year. I think he's the only only arm on my list that is. I don't know if anyone would take him. I don't think we're quite there yet. What do I know. Ninety two innings he got about almost four innings a game. There was like some you know, longer relief stuff, which is, you know, pretty par for course with a lot of these guys, especially in the Dadge system.

On the season, eleven point one five k per nine, three point nine to one walk per nine, which is higher than you know you'd like to see. Didn't give up very many home runs. Strike percentage was like sixty three percent, two point fifty four average against. He did have one hundred and fourteen strikeouts, came in like sixty two pitches a game. Looking at his game log, he was getting a little bit more ramped up at the end, higher pitch counts. But they still they probably capped him at

about seventy I would say for the whole season. But check this out. His last four appearances eighteen innings, and one of these was a was a playoff game too, eighteen innings point five, ERA point six to one whip a ten kper nine, a two walk per nine, strike percentage at sixty five percent, gave up one home run his last sixty innings. It was era was two point eight five a whip of one point two kper nine at

eleven walks were a little bit higher. Point being is that there was a progression as the season went on. I would say the beginning of the year he looked kind of a fairal fastball slider type of guy, and then when we got towards the end of the season, he very much looked more like a starter. To me. His fastball can touch get up to ninety seven. He throws both four and two seamers. He probably sits around ninety four,

and then you know he's the younger guy. But I do have questions about the velocity holding through starts, as it didn't he throws a change up. I think, I don't know. Towards the end, I started digging the change up, maybe even more than his slider. So that's nice to have two secondaries and you're not totally sure which one's the best. The changeup was came in probably about high eighties, low nineties. I did see him get it down to like eighty seven eighty six a few times, pulling a

good parachute. He's got like a gyro slider that's eighty three, eighty four, eighty six, you know, the mid eighties. And then he does throw in a softer curveball, the sort of tan it's lighting north south kind of attack that's very popular these days. He's got a fastball that gets some ride and would play does play well up in the zone now. He does still have even when he was a bit more polished and cleaned up at the

end. You know, every once in a while he just had this very unprofessional pitch, just something flying egregiously out of the zone, just over someone's head or something just you know, it still has those moments. I do question him getting away with. You know, these guys can just throw their nastier stuff just right down the middle and get by at these levels. It did seem like too many offerings that were just kind of generically down the lane,

so to speak. Like to see him get a little bit more sophisticated with that, and as his change up improved as the season went on, the lefties, the success versus the lefties got much better. His season long splits they hit two eighty against them versus right as they hit two nineteen. This is a young guy in a system that has helped some guys along, has has got kind of the in vogue repertoire that I think could work really well. One percent owned so Jerming Jerming Rossario was also on my list.

I only watched a little bit of him and I ended up backing away just because they kind of played with the is he going to be a starter kind of thing? That was really my only qualm with him. But I agree with you. I liked the change, and I think there is, uh, there's something something pretty nice to like there. And and the Dodgers are one of those orgs they developed really well out of anyone else. And I'm

going to draft in total. Probably has has the in vogue teeth, you know, it's probably what we talked about some guys that had different looks. Right this this might be more in line with with what is is effective in the bigs right now. It's interesting the Dodgers, man, they have these guys, uh well, what was it the their their double A team had like a ridiculous quote starting five at one point this year, right a ridiculous rotation. But those guys were only pitching two three innings at a time.

No one's like really putting in like starters innings, astros are the same. The guy guy's pitching three four innings for those guys, like that's that's their status status quo. That's which. And to be fair, he's still threw almost ninety innings as a twenty one year old across the best season ball Like that's pretty good, Like that's yeah, yeah, it's pretty good. I

think he was twenty I think yeah good. Since he's twenty one now twenty one, it looks like he turned twenty one during the year regardless in pitching the years, he's a newborn nuby nuby like me. And what how abou was there a good dadger pitching prospect that's only one percent roster that I don't get that is surprising. I mean, he was pretty wild. I think like twenty one and twenty two he was pretty wild and bad, Like he just didn't pitch a ton and when he did, he was pretty wild.

So I'm guessing that's it. And there were probably ten names ahead of him coming into this year at least, and they traded, some promoted to whatever. But you know, we were talking about how things can change so quickly with pitching and all that stuff. I do kind of have a rule, but maybe it's more so with college guys. And maybe that doesn't make any sense, but kind of feel like when you're kind of out of control,

there's only so much control that you're going to improve. Now. I give the benefit of the doubt, like I said, to teenagers and younger guys, especially when they're getting like pro coaching and stuff like that. So maybe I hope that is the case. I mean, there was I feel like if you watched a start of his or an appearance with his in April and then watch this playoff start or appearance, the change is pretty clear. But anyh h, now we're getting into it where I think a lot of these

guys are not interchangeable. They're sort of of the same level. Yeah, I'm going to stick with the Houston organization here. Like there were a few guys that and I still have a couple more from Houston in this list that I was pretty intrigued by. But I'm gonna go with a guy and he was one percent owned, wasn't owned in my league, but we had an owner dispersal draft for our new owners that are coming in in this thirty teamer,

and he was the last pick of the dispersal draft. So I'm sort of breaking the rule that like all these guys are also unowned in my league. So he did just get sniper. When I pulled this list, he was still available. We're gonna do Trey Dombrowski. Dombrowski's gotta be a nate guy because he's a lush polish but also the man is an execution wizard.

Yeah, I would be shocked if his fastball is over ninety, like unlike Vin Scooter where he was getting whiffs because it looked like his fastball was getting on guys. Dombrowski his fastball, you know, we used to say, can it break a pane of glass? I don't know, maybe not.

He knows how to pitch. I have concerns about is the fastball gonna play as he goes up because he's still does pitch off the fastball a decent amount, but he pitches in spots like he'll get calls on the edges, He'll run it above the zone and get pop ups or whiffs up there not a lot of en zone whiffs you're gonna see with it, but good enough for now. If he gets any velocity on this like look out, because the

rest of his stuff is good. He mostly pitches off his cutter, bores it into righty's, gets soft ground balls, gets whiffs with that pitch, pitches off the plate to lefties, but he'll bust it in and get that hip moving out of the way, but dives back over the plate with that little bit of cutting movement. His change up in his curve are both weapons as well. You know, I don't have his pitch percentiles breakdown for the year, but the starts that I saw he was using any pitch any count.

He throws strikes. He throws balls with intention, so when he misses, it usually looks like he meant to. For reference, Like all the other guys that I have talked about, they'll have their bouts of wildness. They'll hit a batter, they'll walk guys. Even Van Scooter, you know, the way he pitches like he really likes going in on righties, and so he has a few hit batters. One hundred and nineteen innings this year,

Dobrowski hit two batters. He had eight wild pitches, and I saw a couple of them and I thought they were actually pass balls, like they were balls executed in a good spot that his catcher just didn't catch. I don't remember who's catching for him then, but I was like that, actually, that was a pretty good pitch, Like you should probably block that. Two point seven walks per nine, so right down there with Van Scooter in

terms of like the fewest walks per per nine in the league. He was at low A and struck out eleven over eleven per nine, so again both a little bit better than that's a little better than Van Scooter, but a level lower. Twenty two. He was a twenty twenty two drafty fourth rounder. Again, there's a lot in common here with Van Scooter, but they do look different. Dombrowski is a little more over the top. It's a little more like straightfor seem fastball. He's not trying to sink that thing and

isn't coming from the side like Van Scooter is. Is even more of a like a pitcher's pitcher. He picks his spots, he picks his pitches. He's the definitely the one calling the game, not the catcher. Like you see him the catcher cycling through four pitches and they're like, nope, nope, nope, nope, yes that pitch, that location, and then he just executes. He also is something that I think is is had been sort of underappreciated aesthetically. He works really fast. Now that's less of a concern

now with the pitchclock, but I loved watching his starts. I was like, this guy is reminding me of Cliff Ley coming in cutters, change up, going right at hitters, Like as soon as he was ready, he was going like all these hitters were trying to slow him down, messing with the pitchclock, and he just doesn't care. He's ready to go. Really taken with both the how he pitches and the results, and with Houston's penchant for pitching development. He's a guy that if there is any velocity uptick,

you know. He he's six' five two thirty five. They listed him at but I thought he looked a little skinnier than that, So maybe there's a little more power to be unlocked, maybe a tick or two on the fastball velocity. I'm not going to bet on it. You know, he's a college guy and at that point like, he probably is what he is as far as far as Vilo goes. Maybe not, though, And if

there's an organization that can unlock it, maybe it's the Astros. But if there's an uptick, he reminds me of pre velo increased Joey Cantillo, who I think was a guy who wasn't running fastballs up there very hard, but then he did. I think he went to tread maybe and got his his velocity up into the mid to upper nineties. Now I think he can run

up there ninety eight. He was a guy that was getting strikeouts with everything and then got a little more velo and now looks like he's going to be a guy in the major leagues, although his control seemed to desert him last year and a half or so. But anyway, if Dombrowski can do something like that, like maybe Cantillo is a comp there, I like it.

You said this is a Nate Handy pick, and I agree. He was just a little too soft tossing even for me to put him, just to put him as my at the top of my Astros B side, But I think it's a fantastic B side choice. Though he is he is a pitcher, he is gonna get guys out. I just don't know. I could see him getting all the way up to triple A, putting up great numbers in triple A, and then just not being able to do in the bigs. Right, he wouldn't be the first guy like that. Yeah, no,

I think I think you're right. But I do think for at least the next couple of levels. You know, he was at low A this year, definitely probably start next year at Ashville, and then as he goes up into double A, Like, I think he's gonna keep doing this, Like even if there's no more Velo, he's still gonna be this kind of a picture, just because you talk about the different weapons to get different guys out, Like, he seems like a really smart pitcher. I think he's

gonna keep performing. And so maybe his trajectory looks like a human Lynn from this year or Ricardo Yan something like that, where they start to get up into upper levels and like you just stat line scouting him and you're like, Wow, he's still getting strikeouts and he's not giving up runs, like maybe

he's a guy with the capitol g uh. And then you see him pitch and you're like, ooh, that eighty nine mile an hour straight fastball like that might not play, But I think he's not gonna be at one percent for very long. I think is my my bet here. I think that's a good call. All right, Well round, are we on four? Yeah? I'm gonna go. Some folks know this is this guy has super

caught my attention this year, and I'm gonna go with a CJ. Coulpepper, right hand pitcher of the Twins. Buy it down as one percent raster. He's listed at six three one ninety three. I kind of want to take the over twenty two years old heading In the next year. He was

a thirteenth round in the twenty twenty two draft out of California Baptist. He got in forty six single A innings and forty high A innings in twenty three so twenty one total games, eighty six total innings, three five six ERA one point two whip Kpro nine that was at nine point three walks for a

three point two. Didn't give up a lot of home runs through a lot of strikes, blah blah blah, right, but tallied a few fqos, went deep into games, showed some horsepower, showed velocity and stuff that would hold for the most part. A guy who's fastball I think average ninety two

to ninety three, but he can get it up to ninety seven. And yeah, he I would say that he pretty much dominated at least as his final stretch and a ball, and then he got roughed up some when he moved to High A, which kind of makes a lot of sense to me. He's the guy who's trying to pitch aggressively and fill up the zone. For the most part, he likes to sneak his his sinker out of his

own. He tries to get chased there. The numbers at High A total numbers might not look all that great, but if you look at his game log you might get a little bit of a different perception of those. It was kind of like really good to dominate a start to kind of get your tits lit. Like I had said prior, That's kind of how it goes for a lot of guys that I'm drawn to when they jump up a level. This is a guy who I think I think his execution ceiling, if

you will, is fairly high. One of the things that I like the most about him is when he misses a pitch, this is the location by a distance that most pitchers would be pretty happy about. Like, he can get pretty pissed off at himself. And I like that two seamer, four steamer, sinker, whatever, slider, curveball. There might have been a few change ups, so if I were able a few cutters, I'm not

totally sure about that. But and he may not have like this big like whiff pitch right more some of all the parts, although I thought his curveball. Now, of course, if you don't throw a pitch a lot, you know, some of the whiff stuff can maybe get a little a little bit misleading. But I think the development of the curveball was fairly nice, and he got a lot of whiffs and k's on that thing as the season

progressed. But he's a guy who I think could have a good enough arsenal and sort of that high level execution horsepower guy who go deep that could be a legit or at least get a shot to be an MLB starter. Now, I have had somewhat of an infatuation with twins college arms that they take later in drafts and they you know, they show out pretty well and then perhaps kind of fade away as they get up into the uppers, and a lot of folks will point and be like, oh, the Twins can't develop

pitching. I'm like, well, that's not really fair. Those guys weren't supposed to be, you know, major league rotation guys, but they did. They did well, finding some some talent in later rounds. But I like to look at cole Fever. He is, He's very much a my guy. I think that there's a mix there and I know how and high

level execution that that could get it done well. I like a lot of the things you're saying about the the Twins, and Culpepper definitely popped on one of my lists to look at. I ended up not watching any of his any of his start, but you called it. You got me intrigued about what he might be, you know. And and one thing that I like that I like about him a lot, and this couldn't I don't know, it's tricky. Maybe maybe this feeds into some maybe like false success at that

at this level. But when he gets to a fastball count, guess what he doesn't throw. He does not throw. He does not throw fastballs. And fastball counts. So maybe this is a guy who doesn't have big k upside but is getting some getting some k's now because of that, And maybe that doesn't play so well when you get the better hitters. I don't know, but at this level of prospect, there's a lot of ingredients here that I think, like I said, could be a real could bake into a

real starter. Well why don't we stick around with those Twinkies? Ooh, now I've got some affinity for the Twins as an organization. I spent my college summers playing in Minnesota in the Northwoods League. And oh, yeah, you ever fall across Sorry I wanna interrupt you. The Loggers. The Loggers, yep, dude, The Laggers started when I was in college. They used to have us. I went to college lacrosse. They had a special or you could get in twelve dollars to twelve dollars for a ticket, all

you could drink. It wasn't old style anymore. Whatever. It was called Lacrosse Logger, and then all you can eat hot talks for twelve bucks. That dude, And that that little area was right by the visiting bullpen. Now, yeah, there were some things that happened. But I went to so many Loggers games, dude, that's that's awesome. Yeah, the Laggers were a fun place to play. Madison was a great place to play. I might not have been twenty one when I went out to that one because

I think we went there. It's Wisconsin. The sophomore year they round up and down and all around it. Yeah, yeah, that but that that was one of the best places to play, just because of the atmosphere there, and then it was really fun going out after there. So anyway, all that to say, I've got an affinity for the Wisconsin in Minnesotan's up there and my host family that I lived with for three years there are huge Twins fans. You know. I talked to him a couple of times a

year and they're they're still huge Twins fans. All right, So I'm picking a Minnesota arm two, but I'm going with Pearson Ol. Pearson Ol looks like a grocery store clerk. He looks like he just rolled out of college and is you know, he's got his wispy blonde mustache. He's maybe he works at a record store. Unassuming at like six foot and maybe one pint eighty like he you see him on the mound and you're like, does he

belong there? Is this today's starting pitcher? Like I don't know is out of Grand Canyon University, which gotta be honest, Like I played in Arizona a lot. I did not know that that was a university. I think it's kind of like Ritzy is it? And it's in the whax, so it's like it's not nothing, but like I didn't know anything about it. And his numbers were really good in college, but again it's the whax, so it's not like that. It's not the best college conference. But his

numbers were good, good enough to even as a mid major. Gets popped in twenty twenty one by the Twins as a junior in the fourteenth round, not a high draft pick, one hundred thousand dollars signing bonus reportedly, And all the man does is pitch with an effing scalpel, like he doesn't walk anybody, And I love that. I think walks are really dumb and pitchers should do it way less. He led the minor leagues for whatever his mining minimum innings were this year, let me pull that up. I think it

was three point five percent. Again, that might have been just at double A that I did it. But he through eighty seven innings this year at double A. Started the year in High A and then and then graduated up to Double A. He was even better in High A at Double A one point three four walks per nine. That is so few batters. To put that in context, there were three pitchers in the major leagues that were better than that. I bet you can get one of them at least. Who

doesn't walk people? Oh, h merle Kelly doesn't walk a lot of people, does he? He walks more than this, more than that, I don't know. I'm not sure. George Kirby, so he famously led the majors in walk grate this year because he was down at like one point something percent, Like he was nuts. He just has an allergy to walks. Zach Eflin this year again like new organization. They basically like, throw the ball down the middle, stop walking people, and you're gonna be good.

It was really good. Zach Ltel who kind of came out of nowhere right and stopped walking people and had I think his best year of his professional career this year. Ye, And you know Kirby and Eflyn not good comps for all because they both have better stuff. Pierson ol He's like, maybe he's a righty. He's undersized at six foot, so it's not great extension here. It looks kind of like Johnny right hander, like the thing we were

talking about before that isn't great. He really knows where that pitch is going. And so I wonder if even though his stuff isn't overpowering at all, I mean, like again, like maybe he's hitting ninety, but he is painting. He is like around the zone. He's got a fastball. His changeup has a ton of movement, and he really knows where to place it just below the zone, looks just like his fastball, and then guys are ass out tapping it to the second basement for a ground out. His gyro

slider has really nice downward action. So he's got sort of if you think about those three pitches, like that nice triangle where the fastball looks kind of straight and like, yeah, I'm gonna spats that pitch, but actually it's the changeup that's heading away from a lefty, or actually that's the gyro slider

that is heading down and away from a righty. So that's sort of tunneling change up, change up slider off of the sort of not a good fastball, but I think that it's good enough when paired with those other pitches to keep hitters honest. And then he also has a slower curve that he'll spot wherever flip it in early in account for strikes bury it and you think it's the slider, and so you're swinging at it, but it's actually already on the ground. He really really knows how to pitch. And this kind of

guy gets underrated. Again, is this going to last as he goes up levels? Like he was significantly better at striking guys out and walked even fewer at high A, but he made it to double A, And like double a's real baseball, right, Like that's sort of make or break on the

hitter side or the pitching side. Like, no matter where you are double A, you're starting to get to competition that they can hold their own if they make it to the majors, you know, if they've just dropped in the majors, Like that's when you start to see these minor league translations look like pretty close to what they're doing. He still refused to walk anybody. He punched out only seven and a half seven point six per nine, so

he's not going to strike out a lot of guys. And again, a lot of that is because his basketball just isn't gonna miss bats, and so he's got a nibble and get soft contact. But he is very, very

good at that. And like we talked about with some of these lefties in Dobrowski or Van Scooter, if he gets any more velocity because he knows how to pitch so well, this is a guy that with that small tweak like maybe he is a big league starter on the order of latel Like, if you don't walk anybody, you don't have to strike out a lot to be

a pretty useful starter, even at the major league level. So he's somebody that I'm not confident that he makes the major leagues, but he's someone who I like the underlying pitching skills enough that he might be a touch of velocity or a tweak or two away from being a zachly Tell kind of guy. So again, not super exciting, but fun to watch. And yeah, I was just looking at his game here. This is pretty wild to me. Just to talk about efficiency. He had eleven starts with over a seventy

percent strike percentage. That not a lot of guys do that. Yeah, he really strike percentage is it's kind of a hairy thing to me. I think I think it's really important, but I don't know if it's always like I like to look at it from a game by game basis. You got a guy who's throwing a high percentage of strikes a lot, you know, Priori, and then he has a few you know whatever, fifty nine, fifty percent whatever. Let me let me explain this better. I liked the

mode of strike percentage over the mean, if that makes sense. But yeah, I want a tight standard deviation. Yeah, I don't know. That sounds way smarter. I'll use that. I've peeped on him a little bit again. Whatever, I think you nailed that. Fine, all right, I'm gonna get I'm gonna get wild too here, Matt pick And I know as soon as I mentioned the organization, most folks will turn their ears off. And I'm getting into my not created yet on fan track's territory. This

guy's not created yet. But Jared Candy of the Rockies spent the whole season in the Northwest League do you see him live? Yeah? Okay, all right, I did not. I didn't see him live. Oh you didn't see him live? But okay, this dude's good man. Twenty four year old. He'll be twenty four next season. Twenty twenty one, seventeenth round pick out of Florida Southern one hundred and five high innings this year. You know, for all your folks who talk about the Rockies can't develop anybody,

here you go, here's one that has gone well. He's listed at six ' two two point fifteen. He's a strong, strong, bodied, strong body guy. I like the size, I like the strength. Nineteen starts e are of three two five, a whip of one point one six nine point three to one, k for nine two point two to walk for nine, one hundred and nine strikeouts, two forty one batting average against on a

two ninety four babbitt. He was a horse man. He pitched. His pitches per game were at ninety three fqos on the season, including probably his best outing and the best look that we get was at Vancouver eight twenty two. Now he ended the season on the IL. This might be a little risky. I don't know what the injury was there's not a whole lot out there on Jared Candy, and there wasn't a ton of It wasn't a ton

to watch in that league, but but a decent amount. Now, this guy, I think he's got a chance to be a starter in the Biggs. Now. I think this was his first full year of starting. I think I think it had been primarily a reliever in their system. I think, I want to say, in college he was kind of in between. Don't quote me on that though, And you know, maybe this is just any eating type of stuff. But he was effective over his last nine starts fifty two innings, two era one whip, ten k per nine, sixty

five strikes, five real quality starts. His fastball sits about ninety two ninety four, but he he relies on it. He will throw it in fastball counts. I don't know, you want to say he overuses it, but he gets whiffs on it, and I don't really know why. I can't really tell. It doesn't look to have crazy movement. Again, we don't have we don't have great angles and looks. But he's got the full repertoire slider curve change, and he locates him all really well. I forget Rocky's

catcher, the guy who seemed to catch him the most. I can't remember his name. Is it Quintaro, I don't know, whatever. Not a very good catcher, it doesn't matter. But he's very demonstrative and what he wants Candy to do over the top, over the top kind of like framing. So he's actually quite annoying to watch. But Candy, I mean, he will, he will. He does everything he asks, does everything that that catcher asks him to do, almost almost too well. To be honest,

say what you will. Rockies pitching prospect. Obviously for fantasy there's a big bug big bugaboo at the end. But if we're talking deeper leagues thirty where anyone starting can come into play. I mean, if this guy was in a different organization, he would have been I probably would have had him up there with like Schweitzer. Well, I think this is a real starter. I think he's got a full repertory, commands them all, well,

can throw them all, and does throw them all in different accounts. But like I said, he relies on that fastball, and you would think, you know, he's he's getting three four times through the lineup on some of these guys, and yeah, it's high a but how his ninety two to ninety four mile per hour fastball plays as well as it does, I don't know. I don't know. But Jared Candy, Rockies. It is really

interesting that you say that about Candy and the Rockies. Candy was on my short list and I was looking at besiders for the Rockies, and after talking through him with you, I think I might have been a little low on him. Like I hear what you're saying, and I think that what he did at Spokane primarily this year is pretty impressive. Like that's not an easy place to pitch there, and Aaron Everett, like I mentioned, both have

you know, twenty twenty five percent worse than league average for pitchers. So like all the bigger names were getting their tits lit there and Candy's just humming along like freaking look look at it. Look at his inning totals from six five seven, seven, six, six, seven, six point two six, six, five point one seven, like it was it was good man. Yeah, And like you said, like listener, your sole listener at home, go look up all the rest of that Spokane Indians team and their

pictures were terrible because I think the park is bad and they are. It's a very hard place to pitch. But I say that as props for that pick because I'm I'm kind of intrigued now too. But I was actually really taken by a bunch of Colorado pitchers. I watched we create other guys not not named Candy that are all zero one percent owned from the Rockies that I was like, this looks like a guy and there are some guys that you know, like I'll mention, what's the name Joe. Joe Rock is like

a Chris Sale lookalike. You know, he's six' eight or something, all limbs and it's big stuff and he doesn't really know where it's going. But it's like, man, if that guy ever throws strikes like he's a real dude, like Cores or no like that, if he ever throws strikes like

he might, he might. He's one that I considered Candy. Again, maybe I underrated him a bit, but that's a Christine line at a really tough place to pitch for a full year, like there there might be something there and if you think like this would this would be like so like Rockies in the sense like I don't eat. I'm not totally sure if the plan was for him to be a starter this year necessarily, but it kind of just happened that way, and like, you know, maybe he's some injuries.

They had a lot. I mean, they had a ton of injuries from guys that they were expecting big things out of. Whether like like what Vargas got hurt for this year? Who's the guy like Chris McMahon who had been interested in previous series, like he was hurt. Yeah, they had a few times, like six guys to go have Tommy John to get together. Yeah, probably at the same time. I saw that hopefully hopefully not

with the same scalpel. Yeah, clean it at least in between. But you know, like just for symmetry's sake, I'm gonna stick with the Rockies because they don't get enough love again, Like I'm not. I'm well aware that Colorado is a terrible place to pitch B. The Rockies rarely make trades, so these guys likely are sticking in their system. Like it's they really don't trade very often. We're pretty deep down in the B sides here, Like, yeah, there's a few few guys here that are on my list

that I'm looking at that I could go one way or another. A lot of these guys are kind of all in the same tier, and we'll likely talk about them as we get to their other orgs when we go team by team, But I'm gonna go with Michael Proseci. Proseci kind of similar in some ways to Tyler Gilfoyll I talked about earlier in that he was a college reliever at Louisville the for three years. Pretty tall, lefty, you know, six three, two hundred pounds like pitcher, like he looks like,

you know, the classic lefty pitcher. But I think he looks totally different to how he was in college. Checked out his numbers and was really interested by the season that he put up this year after being drafted in the sixth round in twenty twenty two. He was a good reliever in college, you

know, for a good program. Obviously Louisville really good. He was their closer eleven saves in twenty twenty two three three er Ray wasn't given up hits, struck out ten point six per nine, walked a bunch and that was sort of his hallmark that he was a little bit of had some command issues, not a lot of length, you know, thirty seven innings in twenty six games, so he's like one two an inning and a third for most of his outings. And then they gets drafted by the Rockies, who don't

know what they're doing. There's no development to speak of, according to everybody in the know, right, and he's a reliever in rookie ball on the complex at the end of last year, shows up this year and they're just like, you're gonna start. You're you're now a starter. Started all twenty one games this year, twenty one straight starts, struck out ten point three per nine, so matched or exceeded every strikeout rate that he had in the

SEC as a reliever, and stopped walking anybody. You know, not quite the command and control artists of some of my other picks, but three three nine after walking five plus per nine as a reliever. So you're asking him to throw more innings against better quality hitting in general, you know, still low a but it's like that's not an easy place to pitch, and he just goes out and posts a really ridiculous two seven er you know, three six fit behind it. Like again, he walked maybe a few too many,

and wasn't punching a ton of guys out. But to me, he looked like a different guy. So I went and looked at some of his video I could find from him in college, and he looked like he had more of a head whack. It looked a little more out of control. Now he looks smooth, mixing his pitches really well. The fastball as a lefty, like it was up to ninety five, and the looks that I

got that had a gun. I think he was pitching off of this cutter slidery thing that I don't think he used very much in college, or if he did, it lacked less, it had less bite. Maybe it just looked like a different pitch to me, like he was getting more movement on it, and he was getting more whiffs. He's throwing it to lefties and to righties, and it didn't seem like either of them had any real sense of barreling that pitch up. And then he has a curveball in a change

up. So he's got four pitches and they he was throwing them for strikes. He was mixing up counts, which I love to see, and unlike some of the other guys who might have better performance to date. This is a brand new arm maxed out in college at thirty some innings, and he just threw one hundred and nine in Lowa this year is up to ninety five. So the fastball sure looks like that's gonna play as a lefty and has four pitches that all looked relatively well polished, perhaps even more than some of

the sort of command and control artists that I picked before him. He's someone who you might see even greater upside in. Again, all the caveats about Colorado, they're real, and it's probably part of the reason why he's not well regarded, whether the credit is to Michael Proseci himself or the organization or some of his coaches. He seems like a different pitcher than he was in

college and way way more interesting. So even if nothing else changes, I feel like this is a developmental win for Colorado and there's something here that you know, like Nate with your pick Candy, like there's a couple of guys in Colorado that maybe they do have something brewing, and well, I'm super interested to see how he does it Spokane next year and maybe beyond made I watched a good amount of Prosecu during the year, and you you made me

more interested, that's for sure, not that I wasn't interested already. The Rockets are kind of interesting, you know, b citing at this level because they're gonna be starved for starters. They have guys who can identify talent better. Now they're identifying better talent than they did in the past, and it

seems like it. I mean, I mean Candy, Prosecue and like I said, Joe rock Like those are three arms that people aren't talking about a lot, I don't think, and I liked all three of them seeing them. And then they've also at the higher end, like people really like Vargas and I think a couple of their other ones. I'm a little less convinced on some of those guys, but they've had some guys that really showed out. Now hopefully they can keep them healthy. Like that's that's another possible red

flag. You mentioned the six or seven guys that all at the same time, And one thing that does seem to be true is big innings jumps year to year might increase the risk of that. So again there's perhaps more injury risk for a guy like Proseki who just now started starting an he threw modern and ten innings and nine innings any year like that might be someone that there's a slightly heightened injury risk. But I was about as impressed as as with

him this year as I was with anybody. It's just like a few more question marks for me. That's why I picked him sixth I dig so yes, sixth round, last pick right for you. Yep, I'm gonna stick with the not yet created in fan tracks realm. I finished off the hitter the hitter draft with a bit of a hail Mary. Maybe this is a bit of a hail Mary. But I caught a guy at the end of the year, very end of the year in Hya with tricity by the name of Hamilton Mendez. I don't know at all. I don't think so two

outings. I think a total of like four innings the glimpse. Yeah, okay, so Hamilton Mendez right hand pitcher angels, not yet creating fan track six to one, one hundred and seventy seven listed. I think he's a little bit bigger than that. He's a nineteen year old. He was a twenty twenty one international free agent out of the Dominican this season. He went twenty two innings in the DSL, twenty six innings a complex ball, and then five innings in High A and you only get to there was only broadcast

of one of those two appearances. So this is just this is a snapshot video, real deep cut here. Yeah. Yeah, but Mendez so athletic, athletic looking, good sized guy. He's got a short arm action not I don't know, maybe Giolito esque, and he threw he came in, he was throwing a ton of change ups. I don't know. In those few outings the change up usage might have been like sixty six percent, like just something silly, right, So I'm guessing that's probably what they think is

his best pitch, or what he thinks is his best pitch. And I don't have any v LO on him. But the fastball looks it looks zippy the few that he did throw, and then he could spin it as well. So this is very speculative. But the last guy that I picked that was like this end up getting traded to an organization that was very interested in

him as a low risk Kyrie Ward type of thing. And I don't know it's interesting to go from the DSL the high A. Even if you're just I don't know, with the position players you try to maybe that's just like a fill in for a few days, but do you really do that with pitchers? And I know it's the Angels and they go fast, and I was very intrigued, Well why he was there? The outing that you get

to watch. He comes in in relief and I think he comes in with some guys on base, and he strikes out the next two hitters, and then he comes out for the next inning and then he kind of gets kind of gets lit up. The command is loose, and he leaves like some change ups over the middle and what have you. But Hamilton Mendez, let's let's take a little big swing a perhaps projectable guy who might be moving along fast here or I don't know if the Angels are probably changing things up now.

So we'll see how that goes. But we'll see. I mean, they're they're pretty aggressive with their promotions, and even if Tommy leaves like they still might still might do it because the organization as a whole is not not great. So they're gonna have bullpen rolls available and we'll see if this fills out. So that's an interesting name. Yeah, I never never heard of him. You know, we've talked about when you every once in a while you turn on some video and there's like, Oh, who's this guy?

That was definitely my reaction to the Mendez. I'll leave that as my as my last pick of the draft. Mister irrelevant perhaps becomes relevant. Oh, let's let's help. Let's hope that's an interesting one. We have spilunt we I mean we were talking. We're talking about Rockies pitching prospects. I'm like a I know fantasy show and I just spent two hours talking about pictures period Like that? Is that just getting much love to tell the pictures? Like

my couple of my best buddies from from college, we're our pictures. So still keep in touch with them a lot. You gotta you have to play with them. Huh. All right, So I think that I think that'll do it for episode ten of Prospect b Sides. Next time, I think we're going to start getting into organizations and and what our deep digs have found. Last week, I probably did a bad job of this, but you can follow me at Pitching Specs on Twitter. If you like. I don't

know, Matt, do you want to be followed? I don't know what you do? No? No, you can find me on the on the Dynasty, Dugout Discord, occasionally the odd posts here and there on Reddit Matt at bat twenty two. But yeah, I'm not a I'm not a promotional person. I'm here to support Nate and beat him in the the silly little drafts we do. Yeah, well, I follow Matt on the Prospect besides podcast that too, the show. But thank you, thank you for following

along. I hope you made it. I don't know. I think let's say, let's see, we did twelve. I'm gonna say at least two of these guys if we do well, if we shoot part for the course, two of these guys are going to become much more popular. I think you'll probably do better because the type of guys that you picked, I think we'll probably do better well. See, I mean, like all these guys, like they have words, there's reasons why other people aren't on them.

But they're also the kind of guys that like one little thing changes and they get an opportunity. Who knows, But thank you, be well and we'll talk to you next to mouth. And now pace Stratten is him. You hop down first with the lumpbonius face. And now on the very next pitch he up and stow second things with greatst speed. He wasn't born. He had dead. Yes, uniform