¶ Understanding Bonus Depreciation in Taxes
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This is Daniel , the founder of Bookkeeping for Painters .
And this is Richard , tax director , with Bookkeeping for Painters how you doing today , Richard . I'm doing pretty good . I'm getting ready for the weekend . It's a beautiful Friday afternoon . We're kind of like the downhill side of summer here in the upper Midwest , so it's still warm , but it's not quite as hot .
Yeah , it's nice , I have to mow my lawn more often now .
It's crazy how fast the summer went by . It's insane , but yeah . So today we are talking about bonus depreciation Super exciting . It's not often that the IRS uses terms like bonus , so it makes me feel excited .
It's like you won something on a game show . Here's , you pay your taxes and you get yourself a bonus .
Yeah so , but we'll dig into this topic and it's probably not as cool sounding as I mean it's cool . It can be cool but it's not good for everybody to take it . But we'll dig into that and go through when it might make sense to do bonus depreciation , when it might not , and some things to consider .
So first of all , we probably should just talk about what is depreciation and when do we use it .
Yeah yeah , depreciation is kind of a misunderstood thing sometimes . So kind of put it in a nutshell , you have two types of business expenses . You have your normal everyday expenses that you pay for and you write off as a deduction in the same year that you purchased it .
So , for example , you go out and you buy copier paper and copier toner that's going to get used up within the year . You write that off in the year you buy it . But let's say you go and you buy yourself a brand new copier and you spend , you know , $10,000 on this piece of equipment that's going to last for seven years .
Well , the IRS doesn't want you to just write off $10,000 in the year that you purchased it , because this is something that has a lifespan of more than one year . They want you to stretch it out . So in this case , you would depreciate this over the recovery period , which , in the case of a copier , would be seven years .
And you know , different assets have different recovery periods . Some can be short , as you know , three years . Some can be as long as 15 or 20 or , if it's real estate , it could be even , you know , 39 years . But that's the big difference between , like , a normal expense and a capital asset that has to be depreciated .
Okay . So basically , when you buy one of these assets , you can't just take the full deduction in the year you buy it . Generally speaking , you have to take a portion of the deduction over the useful life of that asset .
Right , that's the concept behind it . Yeah , now to know if something is going to be depreciated or not . There's pretty much like four questions , and if you answer yes to all these questions , then it's probably something that's going to be depreciated . And the first thing is is do you own the property ?
So you can't depreciate something that you don't actually own . So if you're renting a car , that's different than if you own a car . If you're renting a copier , lease payments would be immediately expensed , whereas purchasing a copier they would be depreciated . The second question is is the property being used in a business to produce income ?
So only business property gets depreciated . Your personal property , your personal vehicle or jet ski or camper , those do not get depreciated unless you're using that to generate income in a in an actual business . If you're using it for hobby income , then there's no , there's no deduction . The third question is does the property have a determinable useful life ?
Most things that you buy are going to have a determinable useful life . We can kind of put a number on how long a copier lasts or how long a tool is going to last . Things that are kind of like intangible things , like patents , non-compete agreements , those those are handled with amateurization and are kind of outside the scope of what we're talking about .
And then is that useful life more than one year ? If it's more than one year , it gets depreciated . If it's going to be used up and consumed within one year , we just write it off as an expense in that year .
And just kind of a little side note on that you know , we can probably imagine some situations where we have very inexpensive assets that are going to last more than one year . You know , maybe we buy a $400 laptop or , you know , a thousand dollar cell phone seems like kind of a nuisance to a screwdriver .
Yes , yes , although , although if you use a screwdriver like I do , you might not get a full year out of it . You're probably better with your tools than I am , yeah , but yeah , right , you don't want to have to depreciate a screwdriver , so the IRS does have a safe harbor . It's $2,500 .
If you purchase something $2,500 or less and you want to write that off fully in the year you buy it , you go ahead and do that , even if it does have , you know , more than than one year's worth of life .
So basically we're talking about like paint sprayers . If the paint sprayers like over $2,500 , which some of them are , it's over $2,500 , you get to depreciate it instead of taking the full deduction in the year that you buy it , generally speaking , but there are some exceptions .
What we'll talk about and then the other assets that you might have in your painting business would be vehicles . Obviously , there's an asset that lasts several years , so that might be another type of asset that you have . Or maybe a generator , so those kind of larger big tools or equipment .
And then , and vehicles I think would apply to a lot of painting business owners out there those are the kinds of things that would have a depreciation applied to them .
Yeah , those are typically the things we see , especially vehicles , paint sprayers I might throw in . Sometimes we'll see very expensive scaffolding or ladders , depending on how elaborate that is , that I might be in there . But yeah , that's typical for our clients . So , yeah , so the concept is we stretch it out . But then we have right , this is the tax codes .
There's always the exception to the rule .
We have things that can accelerate depreciation , namely section 179 of the tax code and more recently , we have what's called bonus depreciation , and these are provisions that allow us to either fully expense these capital assets in the year that they're purchased or expense a portion of the more that we normally would be able to .
So section 179 has been around for quite a while , but bonus depreciation is new since 2018 . Bonus depreciation kind of expands on what section 179 does and does it a little bit better , but it's also a temporary provision . So from 2018 to 2022 , being last year bonus depreciation was available for 100% .
You buy a $10,000 paint sprayer , you write off the full $10,000 . Now that we're in 2023 , we're starting to see bonus depreciation phase down . 2023 , we're down to 80% . So now with that paint sprayer , we're only writing off $8,000 . Next year it will be 60% 2025 , 40% 2026 , 20% and then it's designed to phase out completely in 2027 . Will that actually happen ?
We're gonna have to wait to see what Congress decides . There's a lot of provisions in the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act that we don't know what it's gonna be around in the next few years . So if you're listening to this , five years from now there may be some changes , but as of now , those are the phase outs .
Now , bonus depreciation is kind of interesting because , whereas with section 179 , you opt in , in other words , you say I choose to take this piece of equipment and accelerate depreciation , bonus depreciation you opt out of . Bonus depreciation is the default mode .
So the IRS is assuming that you're going to use this on all of your assets unless you tell them you don't want to . The other thing is that it has to . Whatever you do for one asset in a recovery period , you have to do for all those assets .
No , what I mean by that is let's say , you have five pieces of equipment that is a seven year recovery equipment . If you , by default , all five pieces are going to be bonus depreciated . If you opt out , then none of them will be bonus depreciated , but what you can't do is pick one or two and not the others .
If you want to do that , it is available through section 179 , but that is a big difference between bonus and section 179 .
So when you say , I'm kind of confused because why would you ever want to opt out of something where someone's trying to give you a bonus ? Well , irs is saying , hey , here's some bonus depreciation . And I'm going to say , no , no , thank you , I'm good , I'm going to go ahead and pay taxes and stuff . Why would someone want to do that ?
That's a good question . So with what I'm calling accelerated depreciation whether it's bonus or 179 , keep in mind that this is not a gift from the IRS . This is your tax deduction that they are allowing you to take earlier than you normally would Now .
A lot of times that makes sense because keeping our money , we can put that money to work for us , we can do good things with it . But there may be some situations where you don't want to use up your tax deduction all in the first year . So , for example , let's say you have not a great year and you don't have a lot of income .
Well , lower income means lower tax bracket . If I use up all my tax deduction now , what happens in the future when I have more income and am in a higher tax bracket ?
If I have $10,000 of deductions available to me , I would rather use that when my tax bracket is 35% than use it when my tax bracket is 12% , and so it might make sense to stretch that out so that you are saving deductions for future years if they're gonna be more valuable to you in future years .
Another thing we wanna think about that this gets overlooked a lot , so I really wanna draw attention to this is that when we sell the asset , a lot of times we don't use things up completely . Let's say we buy a pickup truck .
If we drive the wheels off of it and it goes to the junkyard , then we don't have anything to worry about because we fully depreciated it . It has no residual value . But what happens if we drive it for a few years and then we sell it and say we get $20,000 for our truck ?
If we've already depreciated it , then we have to pay back that tax break when we go to sell it . So if it's fully depreciated and we sell it for $20,000 , now we're paying taxes on $20,000 and we might be in that higher tax bracket when we do it . This also applies if we trade that truck in .
Now , I didn't always this is a recent change but if you trade your vehicle in to get a new one , whatever the dealer gives you for that vehicle would be the sale price of that vehicle , and so we gotta take that into consideration . If we fully depreciated it and the dealer gives us $20,000 for it , we're gonna be on the hook for some extra taxes .
Yeah , this came up in the last year .
This came up . A couple of years ago , I think , I had a client come to us . He had previously taken section 179 , which is on one of his vehicles , his larger vehicles so he got to expense the full amount in the previous year .
But then it was like a year or two later he was trying to trade that same vehicle in for a new , to upgrade , get a new vehicle for the newest model . And we're like hey , you took the section 179 a couple of years ago on this , so now you're going to have to pay that depreciation , accelerated depreciation you took back to the IRA .
So you can't take section 179 one year and then two years later trade it in and do it in section 179 again . You can't keep just taking section 179 . A lot of folks don't realize that . They go oh , I can just fully expense it as long as it meets the section 179 requirements .
Then I can just keep doing that and just trading my vehicles and getting a big deduction .
Exactly . It's very easy to see the big tax breaks upfront , but we need to stop and think about what happens when we go to dispose of the property . And dispose means sell , trade in or convert to personal use .
So we can't take the pickup truck that we were using for work and then give it to ourselves a few years later and not expect to recapture that depreciation . So definitely a conversation to have with your tax preparer and try to understand , like the long term effects .
It may very well be in your interest to get your tax break upfront , especially if you're going to completely use up that vehicle . But if you intend to trade it in right away or you intend to maybe convert that to personal use within a year or two , be aware of the consequences of accelerating depreciation .
Yeah , another common thing I see folks come to us and there you know , a lot of folks know about the section 179 now and bonus appreciation . So they might kind of know like , oh yeah , that's something I want to make sure I take for my vehicle , or maybe they had just taken it on a previous year and so .
But looking at their situation it didn't really make sense based off of the cost of their vehicle and the amount of mileage they're putting it on , putting on their vehicle .
Could you talk like a little bit about when would be a time where you might not want to do the bonus depreciation or section 179 on a vehicle that has high mileage and maybe isn't that expensive ? Sure ?
sure . So when it comes to vehicles especially , there's there's a lot of nuance and complexity here . It's how you expense . It's going to depend a lot on you know . Do you own the vehicle ? Does your business own the vehicle ? Is it used 100% for business ? There's a mix between personal and business .
But if you are able to use the standard mileage deduction so the IRS is if you don't want to figure out actual expenses so actual depreciation , actual fuel , actual maintenance you can use a sense per mile formula to figure out what your deduction should be . That formula is adjusted each year .
This year it is 65 and a half cents per mile , so you would log your mileage and I cannot emphasize the importance of keeping an accurate mileage log for deductions . Log your mileage , multiply that by 65 and a half cents . That's your deduction . In some cases , if you have a
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inexpensive vehicle or a very fuel efficient vehicle or a vehicle that is does not cost you a lot to operate , you may find yourself much better off taking 65 and a half cents per mile versus using actual expenses and depreciation .
Conversely , let's say you're a doctor who likes to drive a $150,000 Porsche and you only drive it to the clinic that's a few miles away once a week . You're not going to have a lot of mileage there and you're going to have a lot of depreciation . In that extreme situation , actual expenses are going to be a lot more advantageous to this doctor .
But most of us are not in that situation . So again , talk to your tax professional . Does it make more sense to take actual expenses or do I have a very efficient , low operating cost vehicle and it might be more beneficial to do this cents per mile ?
Yeah , and I just wanted to highlight a couple things . You said the Iris has a couple of topics that are kind of hot topics with them , and vehicles is definitely one of them . So making sure your documentation is dialed in for vehicles , especially when it comes to mileage , like you said . So if you're doing the mileage , it might make sense to do mileage .
Just make sure you're tracking that . There are some apps out there that can help you track it a little bit easier . Mylot IQ is one where it remembers , like if you're going .
It kind of remembers your routes and classifies it as business or personal based off of your driving habits and stuff , and then it will give you a compliant mileage log at the end of the year that you can have for your records . So it makes it a little bit easier .
Obviously , you can also just have a book on your dash and then just write your mileage and track business and personal , which is kind of a little arduous , but that will definitely meet the requirement . But MyLot IQ , I think , is pretty relatively cheap .
Yeah , you want date , you want miles , preferably starting odometer and ending odometer , and then a brief business purpose Meet with client quality control , check whatever . It doesn't have to be super detailed , Don't just write business next to everything . Those logs have been disallowed under examination .
And then I don't think it needs to be contemporaneous , so it needs to be filled out when the driving happens . If we wait to the end of the year and we try and reconstruct it from memory , those logs usually get disallowed under examination .
So this is kind of a cover your butt type thing and I know it's a pain in the neck and we don't really want to have to add more paperwork to our day . But because the mileage deduction or vehicle deductions in general are so valuable , it is worth doing the extra record keeping .
Yeah , and I think it's a good case to use some sort of app and you can automate your notes , because you're usually doing the same handful of tasks going to do an estimate , didn't estimate , going to the pain store those things you shouldn't have to type out on your phone a thousand times . You just select it from a dropdown and move on .
Yeah , we talked about vehicles a lot . I just wanted to touch on real estate real quick because I've been getting this question often Can we use bonus depreciation on real estate ? The short answer is not on real estate itself , real estate being land . Land which is never depreciable , buildings , that sort of thing . There's special rules for that .
Residential is 27 and a half years , commercial is 39 . But we might be able to use bonus depreciation on the things inside the building , things that are not components of the building Furniture , fixtures , things like that . I heard a tax professional . She gave a neat illustration .
She said that when she was a young girl she had one of those Barbie dream homes with the plastic satin , with all the little things inside . She said if I took the roof off my Barbie dream home , I turned it upside down and I shook it . Whatever falls out I can probably bonus depreciate . Whatever stays in is going to be a component of the real estate .
Take that the greatest salt . But I thought that was pretty smart . If you're buying real estate and you want to try to increase some of your expenses , look for things that would fall out under a shake test . Generally speaking , some other aspects of bonus depreciation Section 179 required that the asset be brand new .
Bonus depreciation just requires that the asset be new to you . If you purchase a used vehicle or used equipment , bonus depreciation can apply , but it does have to be acquired by purchase . It can't be gifted to you . You can't inherit it from Uncle Fred . It does need to be something that you pay for with money . You can combine bonus and Section 179 .
Section 179 is limited to about $1.2 million per taxpayer per year . Bonus does not have a limit . These tax strategies can certainly be valuable if used properly . Jumping back to vehicles , I did want to mention that there is a limit on how much you can depreciate certain vehicles in the first year .
If you have a vehicle that can be used for both personal and business use , like a sedan or a typical car , and that vehicle is less than 6,000 pounds , you are limited to $20,200 maximum depreciation in the first year . That's bonus and Section 179 , that's the max . However , if you have an SUV that weighs more than 6,000 pounds , then there is no limit .
Tesla was using this as a selling point for their Model X . Because the Model X was technically over 6,000 pounds , people were buying these , putting them into their businesses and being able to fully depreciate them in the first year .
If you have a vehicle that is not practical for passenger use so let's say a work van that only has the two seats up front and the rest is built out for cargo Even if that's under 6,000 pounds , you can go ahead and fully depreciate that , because that is business only . There is no practical personal use there .
A lot of different rules , a lot of different nuance . We're not going to cover everything today .
I want to throw those out there . One thing we need to cover is , in light of recent news what about an alien craft with non-human biologics in it ? What would that go for ?
Does the taxpayer own the property ? Is it used for in business to produce income ?
Yeah , I mean , if it's crashed and they found it , I guess it's theirs now .
Yeah , it needs to be acquired by purchase , so we might have to buy that from the aliens and then sell rides in it , or something like that .
Okay , Good stuff .
Yeah , if you get one , Daniel , let me know , because I'm curious how those things handle . They probably weigh more than 6,000 pounds .
I don't know . They move like they're just we , nothing . So who knows ?
All right , that's true . Got to let the tax laws catch up with reality , right yeah ? Exactly Find that arbitrage there .
All right , cool . So I think we cover this topic . Are there any key takeaways we want to hammer home with depreciation for the listeners ?
Yes , my recommendation is think carefully about your depreciation and talk about it with your tax pro . Simply taking as much accelerated depreciation as possible may not be in your best interest .
I'm also going to recommend that you have this conversation well before the end of the year , because you may choose to make some purchases before December 31st , based on income tax liability , the fact that bonus depreciation is getting reduced by 20% each year .
So there's a lot of tax planning opportunities here , but we need to be proactive and we need to have intentional planning to make sure that we're getting the most out of them .
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Yeah , absolutely . Let us know your thoughts and thank you for listening . Until next time . Happy depreciation , is that a thing ?
Have fun depreciating . Yeah , yeah
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