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Profit with Law: Profitable Law Firm Growth

Moshe Amselwww.profitwithlaw.com

Small Law Firms often start from the practice of law and not as a business venture. This ends up causing the growth of the firm to be much longer and more painful than it needs to be. If you started a Law Firm with the intention of increasing your impact, freeing up your time and having all the money you will ever need then the strategies we discuss will be priceless for you. Profit with Law is a show focused on the business of running a law firm as a profitable venture. Packaging and pricing your services, getting clients consistently, growing your staff in a way that feels good to you and implementing systems and technology to set yourself up for success are all discussions you will find here on the show. Moshe Amsel the host of the Profit with Law podcast is not an attorney. He has spent 20 years as an executive in the IT industry before becoming an accountant and business advisor for small businesses. As the owner of a successful accounting firm DreamBuilder Financial and Law Firm Growth coaching organization Profit with Law, Moshe has proven that there are better and different ways for a law firm to do business and be successful. Our mission is to empower all people with wealth creation so that this and future generations can lead a better life. We’d love nothing more than to do this by helping law firm owners on their journey. A law firm is not for practice it’s for profit! 

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Episodes

Stop Overpaying for Your Firm’s 401(k): What No One Tells Law Firm Owners – with Paul Sippil - 491

Send us a text Shownotes can be found at https://www.profitwithlaw.com/491 . Think your firm’s 401(k) plan is “set it and forget it”? Think again. The retirement plan you’ve set up for your employees could be quietly draining thousands of dollars—hurting your staff’s long-term savings and eating into your firm’s profits. In this episode of the Profit with Law Podcast, host Moshe Amsel sits down with 401(k) forensic consultant Paul Sippil to reveal the hidden costs, bad assumptions, and missed op...

Jul 24, 202541 minEp. 491

The Hiring Edge – Scale Now - 490

Send us a text Shownotes can be found at https://www.profitwithlaw.com/490 . In this follow-up to “Save $192,500 by Hiring the Perfect Law Firm Team,” Moshe Amsel goes deeper into the hiring strategies that separate thriving firms from those stuck in slow growth. From vetting candidates with strategic exercises to onboarding them the right way, Moshe shares practical steps to attract top talent and avoid the financial drain of a bad hire. If you’ve ever rushed to fill a role, underpaid the right...

Jul 17, 202539 minEp. 490

Save $192,500 by Hiring the Perfect Law Firm Team - 489

Send us a text Shownotes can be found at https://www.profitwithlaw.com/489 . How to Build the Dream Team That Will Double Your Law Firm’s Revenue This episode brings you inside a powerful session from the Law Firm Growth Summit, where Moshe dives deep into how to assemble a dream team for your law firm and avoid the most expensive hiring mistakes. Law firm owners constantly tell host Moshe Amsel the same thing: “I can’t find good people.” But in this episode, Moshe challenges that mindset—and sh...

Jul 10, 202536 minEp. 489

He Found Meaning (And Scaled Big) – Lessons from Law Firm Owner Josh Nelson - 488

Send us a text Shownotes can be found at https://www.profitwithlaw.com/488 . What happens when growing your law firm is no longer just about making more money? In this episode of the Profit with Law Podcast, host Moshe Amsel speaks with business leader Josh Nelson, who shares the powerful mindset and strategy shifts that helped him break through to the next stage of growth. While the story is his, the lessons are universal for law firm owners looking to build something sustainable, profitable, a...

Jul 03, 202549 minEp. 488

AI in 2025: What Law Firms Need to Know — with Arthur the Bot and Joseph Ruotolo - 487

Send us a text Shownotes can be found at https://www.profitwithlaw.com/487 . Most law firms are losing leads every day — not because of bad marketing, but because of slow or outdated intake processes. In this episode of the Profit with Law Podcast , Moshe Amsel sits down with Joe Ruotolo, head of marketing at Intaker and creator of Arthur the AI bot, to explore how small law firms can leverage AI to fix intake bottlenecks and stay ahead of the competition. They discuss the power of “speed to lea...

Jun 26, 202540 minEp. 487

Marketing, Staffing, and AI: The Smart Way to Scale Your Law Firm with Chris Dreyer - 486

Send us a text Shownotes can be found at https://www.profitwithlaw.com/486 . Are you using the smartest strategies available to grow your law firm — or just spinning your wheels? In this episode of the Profit with Law Podcast, Moshe Amsel, with Chris Dreyer, breaks down the three biggest levers firm owners must begin to dabble in to scale sustainably: marketing that drives real ROI, staffing that frees up your time, and AI tools that increase efficiency without compromising quality (even though ...

Jun 19, 202551 minEp. 486

Your Accountant Is Probably Costing You Money – Here’s What Great Ones Do Differently - 485

Send us a text Shownotes can be found at https://www.profitwithlaw.com/485 . Most law firm owners think their accountant is doing just fine — but the truth is, if you're only meeting with them once a year, you’re probably leaving serious money on the table. In this solo episode, Moshe Amsel shares real-world examples and practical strategies to help you turn tax planning into a tool for building long-term wealth. You’ll hear how one firm lost over $500,000 to the IRS — and the simple planning sh...

Jun 12, 20251 hr 8 minEp. 485

Your Growth Problem Isn’t Marketing — It’s the Sales Disconnect (with Margarita Eberline) - 484

Send us a text Shownotes can be found at https://www.profitwithlaw.com/484 . Most law firm owners think they have a marketing problem… But what if the real issue is what happens after a lead comes in? In this episode of Profit with Law , CMO Margarita Eberline reveals why most firms are leaving money on the table — not because of weak marketing, but because of a broken or missing sales process. You’ll learn: ✅ Why leads aren’t converting (even with solid marketing) ✅ The hidden cost of ignoring ...

Jun 05, 202547 minEp. 484

The Secret Wealth Strategy Law Firm Owners Missed with M.C. Laubscher - 483

Send us a text Shownotes can be found at https://www.profitwithlaw.com/483 . Infinite banking- the how, what, and why (that gets your firm producing generational wealth) Most law firm owners strive to build successful practices — but how many are actually thinking about creating generational wealth and a lasting legacy? In this eye-opening episode of Profit with Law , entrepreneur, investor, and bestselling author M.C. Laubscher joins us to reveal why the traditional financial advice most lawyer...

May 29, 202551 minEp. 483

Is Your Marketing Agency Helping You Grow? Here's the Right Way – with Anthony Karls - 482

Send us a text Shownotes can be found at https://www.profitwithlaw.com/482 . “How open minded are you to learning something new and being coached?” Anthony asked, “Because if you're not, then it's probably not going to work.” In this episode of Profit with Law, guest Anthony Carls—president of Rocket Clicks and co-founder of Sterling Lawyers—reveals the insider marketing blueprint he's used to scale a family law firm to over $15M in annual revenue. Anthony dives deep into why most family law att...

May 22, 202540 minEp. 482

Business Owner vs. Attorney – Why You Can’t Be Both (If You Want to Grow Your Firm) with Allan Draper - 481

Send us a text Shownotes can be found at https://www.profitwithlaw.com/481 . Many law firm owners believe they can successfully wear both hats—attorney and business owner. But if you want to scale beyond a solo practice, that mindset may be holding you back. In this episode of Profit with Law , guest Allan Draper—a former attorney turned entrepreneur and pest control business owner—shares his journey and why delegating legal work is crucial for true business growth. Letting go of control is toug...

May 15, 202542 minEp. 481

Starting Your Firm Right: The Power of Relationships with Daniel Scola - 480

Send us a text Shownotes can be found at https://www.profitwithlaw.com/480 . He started with just a fax machine and a phone line. Listen to this episode of the Profit with Law Podcast, where host Moshe Amsel sits down with Daniel Scola, managing partner of Hoffman and Baron, who reveals his unique path from chemist to patent attorney, inspired by witnessing his father's inventions stolen and fueled by a desire to protect ideas. Together, Moshe and Daniel dive into the nuts and bolts of law firm ...

May 08, 202533 minEp. 480

Scaling a Law Firm as a Mom: Valerie Fenchel on Leadership, Hiring, and Prioritizing Family - 479

Send us a text Shownotes can be found at https://www.profitwithlaw.com/479 Is it really possible to build a thriving law firm without sacrificing your family—and your sanity? Join host Moshe Amsel and guest Valerie Fenchel, founder and CEO of Essential Family Law, as they dive into Valerie’s journey of scaling a multimillion-dollar law firm while raising two young children. Valerie shares the challenges and triumphs of leading with heart, redefining success, hiring the right team, and balancing ...

May 01, 202532 minEp. 479

Put Your Money Where Your Ads Are with Joshua Lauer - 478

Send us a text Shownotes can be found at https://www.profitwithlaw.com/478 Are you spending thousands on marketing but still unsure what’s actually working for your law firm? Join Moshe Amsel and data expert Joshua Lauer, founder of Lauer Creations, as they dive into the world of marketing analytics for law firms. Joshua shares practical insights on how to finally pinpoint where your leads are coming from—whether online, offline, or through your community outreach—and how to use tools like Googl...

Apr 24, 202536 minEp. 478

How to Scale a Law Firm - 477

Send us a text Shownotes can be found at https://www.profitwithlaw.com/477 Do you know how to effectively scale your law firm? Join Moshe Amsel as he breaks down the concept of scaling a law firm in episode #477 of the Profit with Law Podcast. Moshe discusses the importance of increasing your firm's capacity by adding the right "inventory" - from hiring key personnel to implementing essential technology. Learn about the Law Firm Growth Formula, designed to guide you through making strategic inve...

Apr 17, 20254 minEp. 477

Why Your Law Firm Needs Effective Risk Management Strategies with Mark Bassingthwaite - 476

Send us a text Shownotes can be found at https://www.profitwithlaw.com/476 If you think that your firm isn’t susceptible to a cyber attack, your whole practice is at risk. Veeam blog columnist Cole Hanks writes that “up to 60% of small businesses fail after a successful cyberattack.” Many firm owners think their practice is too small to be of any importance to cyber attackers and malpractice, but that very thought can be very costly. Join Moshe Amsel and guest Mark Bassingthwaite, a seasoned ris...

Apr 10, 202543 minEp. 476

$1.5MM in 12 months - The Blueprint - 475

Send us a text Shownotes can be found at https://www.profitwithlaw.com/475 Are you ready to unlock $1.5 million for your law firm this year? Join Moshe Amsel, host of the Profit With Law Podcast, as he shares how any law firm owner can quickly scale their business to achieve significant revenue growth. Moshe discusses leveraging team assembly, strategic investments, and innovative marketing methods to turn law firms into highly profitable businesses. By adopting an investor mindset, Moshe explai...

Apr 03, 202539 minEp. 475

The Role of a Virtual COO in Boosting Your Law Firm’s Profits with Jennifer Goldman - 474

Send us a text Shownotes can be found at https://www.profitwithlaw.com/474 Are you looking to transform your law firm with enhanced productivity and profitability? Join Moshe Amsel and Jennifer Goldman, veteran consultant with over 30 years of experience, as they explore the transformative potential of visualization in operational roles. Jennifer reveals how simple tools like whiteboards can dramatically improve clarity and accountability within law firms, driving productivity and profit. Moshe ...

Mar 27, 202536 minEp. 474

Attorney vs. Law Firm Investor: Your Identity is the Key to Exponential Growth - 473

Send us a text Shownotes can be found at https://www.profitwithlaw.com/473 . Are you ready to revolutionize your law firm's growth trajectory? Join Moshe Amsel, host of the Profit with Law Podcast, as he shares his inspiring personal journey and reveals the transformative mindset shift necessary for law firm owners to succeed. In this episode, Moshe discusses the power of thinking like an investor rather than just an attorney and how this change can overcome growth barriers. He shares insights f...

Mar 20, 202524 minEp. 473

Unfiltered Marketing Truths for Law Firms with Conrad Saam - 472

Send us a text Shownotes can be found at https://www.profitwithlaw.com/472 . Are you grappling with how to effectively navigate the shifting landscape of law firm marketing? Join Moshe Amsel and Conrad Saam, founder of Mockingbird, as they dissect the current state of marketing for law firms. Conrad offers candid insights into how different marketing channels can yield varying returns and why firms need to adapt to today's changing environment. Moshe and Conrad explore the importance of efficien...

Mar 13, 202539 minEp. 472

The Secret to Increasing Law Firm Leads by 50% through Chat Strategies with Ted DeBettencourt - 471

Send us a text Shownotes can be found at https://www.profitwithlaw.com/471 . Are you missing out on potential clients because you don't have an optimized website chat? Join Moshe Amsel and Ted DeBettencourt, founder of Juvo Leads, as they dive into the importance of having a live chat on your law firm's website. They discuss how human-powered chat can increase your leads by 50%, enhance client interaction, and significantly impact your first impression on potential clients. Ted shares his journe...

Mar 06, 202530 minEp. 471

Comprehensive Wealth Planning: Using Life Insurance for Retirement and Legacy Planning with Tom Wall - 470

Send us a text Shownotes can be found at https://www.profitwithlaw.com/470 . How can whole life insurance pave the way for generational wealth? Join Moshe Amsel and Tom Wall, a keynote speaker and expert in permanent life insurance-based strategies as they share their insights on how whole life insurance can be used as a tool for retirement, tax strategy, and wealth creation. Moshe and Tom delve into the advantages of whole life insurance beyond just coverage for loved ones, exploring its potent...

Feb 27, 202544 minEp. 470

From Startup to $80 Million: Strategies for Transforming Law Firm Growth with Luke Peters - 469

Send us a text Shownotes can be found at https://www.profitwithlaw.com/469 . How can lessons from building an $80 million appliance brand transform the growth of your law firm? Join Moshe Amsel and Luke Peters, founder of Apex CEO, as they uncover invaluable insights and strategies for law firm owners. Luke shares his journey from a garage startup to a successful exit, highlighting key areas such as scaling operations, hiring the right talent, and thinking like an investor to achieve significant...

Feb 20, 202535 minEp. 469

How Law Firms Can Leverage Compensation Plans to Meet Strategic Goals with Brenda Barnes and Camille Stell - 468

Send us a text Shownotes can be found at https://www.profitwithlaw.com/468 . Do you want to learn the secrets of leveraging attorney compensation for a more profitable law firm? Join Moshe Amsel as he welcomes guests Brenda Barnes and Camille Stell to explore the intricacies of attorney compensation on the Profit with Law Podcast. Dive into the details of their co-authored book, "Respect: An Insight into Attorney Compensation Plans," and uncover strategies for using compensation to align with fi...

Feb 13, 202557 minEp. 468

The Power of Specialization: Niche Down and Power Up with Dawn Smith - 467

Send us a text Shownotes can be found at https://www.profitwithlaw.com/467 . Are you contemplating the power of niching down in your law practice? Join Moshe Amsel and Dawn Smith, managing partner of Smith Clinesmith LLP, as Dawn reveals her extraordinary journey from a passionate young lawyer to leading a firm specializing in elder abuse litigation. Moshe and Dawn delve into the importance of finding your niche, overcoming hiring challenges, and the vital role of having a clear mission and visi...

Feb 06, 202540 minEp. 467

Running Your Law Firm Like a Business with Emil Abedian - 466

Send us a text Shownotes can be found at https://www.profitwithlaw.com/466 . Ready to transform your law firm by putting your investor hat on? Join Moshe Amsel and Emil Abedian, founder and CEO of Councel CPAs, as they dive deep into how law firm owners can achieve financial clarity and sustainable growth. Emil shares his journey from general accounting to specializing in services for solo and small law firms, and the critical importance of proactive tax planning, consistent bookkeeping, and und...

Jan 30, 202547 minEp. 466

Social Media Marketing for Lawyers: Building a Strong Online Presence with Fin Wycherley - 465

Send us a text Shownotes can be found at https://www.profitwithlaw.com/465 . Are you unsure if social media should be part of your law firm's marketing strategy? Join Moshe Amsel and Fin Wycherley as they delve into the world of social media marketing for law firms. Fin, an expert in helping professionals build their online presence, shares insights on when and how to invest in social media, the differences between various platforms like TikTok, YouTube, and LinkedIn, and the role of engagement ...

Jan 23, 202544 minEp. 465

Developing Leaders: Strategies to Foster Talent in Your Organization with Karen Colligan

Send us a text Shownotes can be found at https://www.profitwithlaw.com/464 . Are you looking to cultivate strong leaders within your law firm? Join Moshe Amsel and Karen Colligan, leadership development expert and founder of PeopleThink, as they dive into the critical aspects of effective leadership. In this compelling episode, they explore the importance of self-awareness, cultural comprehension, and specific competencies in successful leadership. Karen emphasizes the need for clear leadership ...

Jan 16, 202546 minEp. 464

Transforming Cash Flow with Strategic Billing and Hiring with John Scott and Kip Bilderback - 463

Send us a text Shownotes can be found at https://www.profitwithlaw.com/463 . Struggling to maintain consistent cash flow and effective case management in your law firm? Join Moshe Amsel as he interviews John Scott, partner at Anders CPAs & Advisors, and Kip Bilderback, lawyer and business owner, on the latest episode of the Profit with Law Podcast. Discover the importance of standardizing billing processes, enforcing accountability through incentives, and utilizing tools like QuickBooks for ...

Jan 09, 202537 minEp. 463

Optimizing Profit Margins: Cash Flow Challenges and Solutions with Carla Titus - 462

Send us a text Shownotes can be found at https://www.profitwithlaw.com/462 . Are you struggling to keep your law firm profitable as you scale? Join Moshe Amsel and Carla Titus, founder and CEO of Wealth and Worth Within, as they share expert insights and strategies for improving profitability and cash flow in law firms. Moshe and Carla dive deep into the factors affecting profit margins, the importance of strategic financial planning, and the role of technology and efficiency in scaling your law...

Jan 02, 202545 minEp. 462
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