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Coaching Complexities: Conversations with Troy Jones

Jun 03, 202533 minSeason 18Ep. 7
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In this episode, Nii Wallace-Bruce interviews Coach Troy Jones, a multi-sport coach who works with both MLB and NFL high-performers. Troy shares his journey from aspiring athlete to accomplished coach (01:30), highlighting his holistic approach to athlete development, which focuses on movement efficiency (05:47) and mental resilience (11:17).

The discussion covers various aspects of athletic training, including the importance of failure as a learning tool and the need for lifelong development (19:46). Additionally, Troy reflects on the cultural differences between U.S. and international sports training and the unique experience of living and working in Canada. The conversation also delves into personal anecdotes about Baltimore, emphasizing the cultural richness and the impact of regional differences on identity.

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Transcript

PSP

Welcome to the podcast Industrial Complex. I am your host, ni Wallace Rus, and we have a special guest. We are in a thicker baseball season, but this guest is not just a coach in the world of baseball He coaches Super Bowl champions as well. He has no off days. So without any further ado, let's bring in the one and only. Coach Troy Jones.

Troy Jones

Thank you for that introduction. I appreciate it. It's a pleasure to be here.

PSP

It's a pleasure to have you with us and Troy, you're in with the Blue Jays. Is this your first time in Canada?

Troy Jones

No. I came last year to visit when we actually with a team that was competing with the Blue Jays. And when I visited Toronto, that was my first time here, came here like twice last year. And I thought it was great. And so I ended up here this year on a full-time capacity through during the baseball season. And it's been very welcoming. People are, very it's hard to even explain. It is different, but they're, very casual, carefree loving. It's just been a great experience.

It's been a great experience.

PSP

Now, Troy, coming from the States, have you shifted from the likes of Dunking Donuts and Starbucks to Tim Horton's?

Troy Jones

Even though I don't, I try to stay away from that stuff as much as I can, as you already know. But yeah, I would say the Tim Horton donut might be better than the Dunking Donuts and the sticks.

PSP

Alright, and what about the coffee? What do you drink?

Troy Jones

I'm more of a black coffee guy, Americano with an extra shot, something like that. Maybe throwing in there occasional cappuccino with an extra shot. But I don't, deviate. I'm kind of simple, you know, play simple. Black coffee's always good for me.

PSP

Yeah, that's fair enough and also good to know. Now, what I wanted to get into is the journey, how you got to where you are today because you deal with some high performance athletes across multiple sports, but Troy, that doesn't happen by accident. Tell us a little bit about the experience of how you became the coach that you are today. How did it happen?

Troy Jones

Okay. Let me see. Where do I start? It's a journey for sure. It's one of those type of journeys that, if you are a person of faith, you really, truly believe it just steps of order because the industry chose me more so than I chose the industry. It started with me as first and foremost wanting to be an athlete. Having some athleticism, having some abilities to move well and compete. And that's where I foresaw the future in regards to what my career choice would be.

But I also come from a background of educators. I. Family of teachers, things of that magnitude. So the gift of communication came relatively easy, but I didn't know that at the time and the way I processed information. I did notice early on that was different and it's kind of made me a little bit more cerebral in my approach to when I competed and how I prepared.

And long story short is when the years of chasing the professional ranks didn't happen the way we would liked it or didn't go the way we would've liked it to go. You have to make some career choices about in the process of being introduced to sports at a high level. You have these experiences where you pick up and learn some things about yourself. And one of the things that I learned in my preparation.

I would always attract an audience because I would always break down, break things down into progressions, and I didn't even consciously even understand why. I was always looking at, for example, I was playing baseball. I looked at, if I went three for four, I would, you know, two doubles in a home run and one strike. I'm concentrating on the strikeout more so than I'm concentrating on the positive things and breaking that down, frame by frame to figure out a way to avoid that.

The next opportunity, when it presented itself,. So in that way, I was already preparing myself to coach, but then the audience or people when they would see this, they wanted to participate and hey, let's train together, things of that magnitude. So I didn't wanna sit behind a desk and I can communicate well, I can explain things well. And that's how I kind of began. So I started doing a deep dive. Into the science aspect of the human body. 'cause I always loved the human body.

So I thought about being a position at one time after the sports thing didn't happen the way I had planned it, but I was like, why? I had the gift to play sports at the level that I can play it at, but not be able to achieve it. So I was a little bit, I. Bitter over that aspect. But then, like I said, sometimes God put you in positions to get you exposure to something so he can move you into another, into another direction.

And kind of, that was that reason was because he wanted me to be able to, look through the lens of an athlete. I. So when I can have better communication with athletes in from an aspect of being able to help them achieve something that they are striving to be. 'cause I always felt like I was under coached. I always thought that, things were missing because they didn't see the world like I saw the world.

So, and back in those days, you know, it was like you showed up, even you were talented or you weren't, you know, there was no such thing as you can teach speed. It was either, you were fast, or you weren't. And it was just looking at all those kind of little, little things that they would say that they would attach to players. I never felt that was right. And they used to say, oh, he's an effort guy.

Or not me particularly, but just how they would have these little descriptions and labels that they would put on players. I always felt like that wasn't correct because if you gave this guy a plan on something of a way to approach to a way to improve, he should get the opportunity to do so before you write 'em off. And that's how it kind of all began. It began.

It started falling into like a niche for it and just got deeper and deeper with the research and the science and got a real good understanding of the human body and how it works. And and here we are today jumped on. It started with a ton of youth athletes. I had my first few pros about 20, 28, 29 years ago, and it just evolved and kept on going and kept on going.

And I had youth athletes start at five years old in the program that are retired, 10 year NFL retired with their own kids and family and I'm their godfather, their kids, in multiple sports. So it was just a great ride that truly just. Developed, over time to where I am at now today.

PSP

Yes. I'm getting the sense that there's multiple dimensions, like you said, the old school ways were, you're either fast or you're not, but you seem to take more of a holistic approach, more than just looking at an athlete through one lens. So tell us a little bit about the idea of movement efficiency. That's something that's a key part of your coaching, right?

Troy Jones

Yes, sir. Over the years I would say one of the worst things you can do is you check all the boxes, check all the boxes on what the strength conditioning world tells us to do as far as the weight room, the play metrics and all those concepts and an athlete still not be successful. So when you go through a lot of trial and error. Failures and we'll continue that. That key word failure is something we'll talk about later on.

You have no choice but to figure out what the cause and effect is of why are you making bad decisions or why is it not translating over to the athlete? Because you can get a guy extremely strong. They don't run fast. You can get a guy extremely powerful. They get hurt. So there's a really a fine balance. Or something that ties everything together. And for me early on I figured out it was movement efficiency, and to me it's what the human body was designed to do.

It's like a science and it's like an art form. It's poetry in motion. It's when you see those athletes who move really, really well, it's just like a flow that is effortless in everything that it's supposed to do. And everybody is individualized. They have their own strategies and their own signatures. And if you watch closely, they also have the physics in common of what those things that translate over to efficient movement or causes us to be able to transfer forces.

Those physics don't change, but their strategies to get there does, and. It adapts to all environments in all situations that a, that adaptation can be positive, it can be negative, but that's the beautiful thing about the human body and the efficiency within movement because it has so many avenues that you can go down. And I think it's a missing element that ties it all together for athletes that's not recognized enough and is not built into the program because quite honestly.

A lot of people don't fully understand it. They can't dictate, they can't define different compensations that impact the athlete based on day to day or just pay just us as human beings based on what we're exposed to day to day and, and we can go on all day about this topic. As you can see, I'm passionate about it. 'cause to me it was the missing link of problem solving, a lot of the issues that I was coming across with day to day with athletes.

PSP

Let's go down that path, Troy, because I know I'm not gonna be a pro athlete, but I feel like moving efficiency is still important. I feel like there are things that I can glean from the high performance athletes, and I'm sure my audience can glean that as well as we apply that to our day-to-day activities. So maybe there's more things to keep in mind.

Again, I'm not gonna hit three for four, I'm not gonna catch 120 yards, but there are some things that we should be looking at as human beings, not just athletes, right?

Troy Jones

Well, I think efficiency. One of the first things that, I'll break it down this way. One of the first things that. I look at when I meet any athlete, no matter what the level is, do they move well as a human being first? And that means more so things systematically, functionally from joint to joint above and below. And, in sequence.

And if those things aren't occurring, there's gonna be a dysfunction above it or below it, and there's gonna be compensation, which is, the faulty movement pattern itself. This is gonna rob the athlete or the individual of efficiency, which eventually will lead to injury. It's not, if it is more so when identifying those things will show up if you trying to just have, you know, you got your basic movement screens. But just, just watching the athlete on film.

On what their strategies are in regards of how they navigate the field or the court or the surface that they actually play on. You can be able to see those things so. Just, it all begins before you get to that point, back to just moving well, as a human being itself. It's all your joints working simultaneously together.

And one of the ways that we actually begin to look at that is we isolate to integrate, meaning we look at each function independently before we integrate 'em, move them, together to move globally.

PSP

and it might sound obvious, but what you tailor for someone who is starting their pro career is going to be different to someone who's perhaps in their twilight. Is that correct?

Troy Jones

Not necessarily because it is for me, and I try not to make it sound as complicated and I kind of simplified my approach. So when I do talk about it, I can kind of be understood a little clearer is I have three ways that I approach athlete development on. Long term, it's first of all, understand being an athlete is long-term development. There is never a time that you should never stop trying to improve.

Now there's different phases of your career based on experience, based on volume, based on maturity, things of that magnitude. Because success, these breadcrumbs, so some of the things that you use when you were younger, you won't necessarily need to use when you are at a later stage of it. But the big thing for me is you have to move well as a human being before you can move well as an athlete, before you can move into specificity within the sport that you participate in.

And that's kind of the formula how I overlay everything for each athlete, no matter the level. Now, I'd adapt the program to meet the need of the athlete based on maturity and training aid and sporting age. But for the most part, that's the formula. And we meet them, we overlay that and meet them where they are.

PSP

I can definitely see your background coming through with your answer there, Troy. I grew up with educators in my household and continuous improvement was definitely a key in my upbringing, so I can see that coming through with your coaching as well. You can never be satisfied with the status quo. You are always trying to improve whether that be the next event the next day. Troy, one thing you touched on is. The idea of failure.

You mentioned, for example, you could hit three for four in baseball but you're thinking about that one out and that comes back to this idea of improvement, how to make it better next time. Tell me more about that.

Troy Jones

Okay. I would say let's talk about the athlete's experience from elite down. So, you can reverse engineer that to be able to lay a pathway of, for a younger athlete to follow, to get to the elite status. Or you can actually, when you get to that elite status, you have to have a certain strategy in order to stay there. And overall, that journey from beginning to end it matches the same intensity or the same approach, rather over the course of your lifespan or your athletic career.

And I would say high performing athletes. It's a two part approach. It's a two part answer. It's the mental approach, which they weaponize a little different than the average individual. And I feel like this should be taught early on in a young athlete's career. And what I mean by that is success and failure are kind of one and the same. And a lot of the times with younger athletes today, we live in a world where.

Instagram and social media has the intention of the public, so everything is instant gratification and everything is a highlight reel of someone's life or their successes. So I. The thing about sports, especially at the elite level, you're supposed to be successful all the time, and that's the far just from the truth.

From a highly elite competition, you're gonna fail a whole lot more when you start going up the ladder of being able to compete at higher levels than you are in, in regards to being successful because it's the, the more competitive it gets, or that the more elite that it gets, the more competitive it will be because everybody's talented. So failure and success become like a yin and yang, like that old Chinese proverb.

It's like a push pull, but they need each other because failure to me, is an opportunity for growth. It's a catalyst for it. Success is more reinforcing and staying consistent in finding something that allows you to build upon it day to day consistency doesn't mean you're gonna be perfect every day. It just means you show up and eventually you'll see successes from that.

The failure aspect and what you do keeps you honest to being able to evaluate if your process is still where it needs to be, or does it need to deviate based off the situation or based off of where are you injured or if you had an injury or you bulletproof or something so it doesn't get injured, or where you are in the course of the season. From a volume standpoint, are you fatigued? Are you eating right? There's so many variables that come into play, but you have to find a consistency.

That will lead you to be successful. And you pretty much just stack those days over and over and over and over again. And if you look up, you'll build upon some success over time. That's why I said it's a lifelong journey.

PSP

I love the concept of lifelong learning, the vulnerability to fail. 'cause that's how you grow. Absolutely. You are listening to myself, ne Wallace Bruce, chatting with Troy Jones. Troy, you mentioned failure. How that ties into adversity. Some guys. And have stitched together key moments, successful key moments. What are some trends you've identified in the hight performing athletes that you coach?

What are some of the things that they're able to put together in terms of building a successful run?

Troy Jones

Well, besides the mental approach of understanding that it's not the, you can't control the outcome. You can do all the preparing that you like. You can research, you can study, you can have a game plan, but you can't control the outcome and you have to be okay with that. But that's where the consistency comes into play to trust your process. I know that's cliche, but it's the truth. I think a lot of times these, the.

Expectation of things to go right all the time is something that's not realistic to where you have to be. More so in love with the competitive aspect of being able to compete at the level that you achieve or just working towards the where you, the level that you aspire to be. That's more of what the focus should be, and what that will do is it'll allow you to really appreciate your preparation, which will then allow you to compete.

A clear mind because if your mind is clear, a cloudy mind can't respond to anything. A cloudy, a cloudy mind is a slow body, meaning if you're, you can't process execution and process. I would say if you got too many things going on in your, in your mind and you're trying to strategize and process execution at the same time, it's not gonna happen. Your mind has to be open enough to process and instinct, need to kick in to adjust and adapt to situations that it sees.

If you've practiced that and put yourself in game scenarios or have your weak broken down from a structure standpoint, those things show up as needed, and I think the greater athletes from a mental aspect. When they're in that competitive realm, they don't have time to think about anything else.

They're just responding to stimuli because you start thinking you slow things down, the faster that brain can send signals to the body, the more efficient you are in being able to process what you see or adapt to what you see. And then the second thing I would say

PSP

I.

Troy Jones

is most athletes at the elite level, or I would say all of them have a knack for controlling their center of mass better than most individuals. Meaning and center of mass control is about, about your ability to transfer forces on multiple planes, being able to absorb it, project it generate max velocity, being able to whip it, but just being at being able to stay within your base at all times. Being, they're very good

PSP

good

Troy Jones

at being aware of where they are in space with great body control. They have a great balance of how they transition forces, whether they're absorbing force well. They can absorb it, they can project it. They're very reactive and they transition it really, really, really well based on how they apply it. They have a grasp of that naturally. And if they don't, that's something that they become aware of because they're looking for their weaknesses and how to improve upon it.

But most of 'em share it at that., And I would say that last thing for me is even with that ability. To have control center mass very well. They do one thing really, really well, is that ability to contract, relax. That state of when they're transferring forces, they can create elasticity within their body as they begin to whip in and, and out of movement patterns.

Whether it is throwing, whether it is swinging a racket, whether it is changing direction, whether it is transitioning from max from acceleration or maxo, they have a great ability to contract and relax the body to generate or move at high speeds.

PSP

Yeah, that's a great answer. Troy. Coming back to the first part of it, I guess the saying, a failure to prepare is a preparation for failure. Does that ring true?

Troy Jones

Yes. Okay. It builds, it builds. That's where your confidence comes from, your process of preparation.

PSP

And thinking about the next two points, that ties in with the movement efficiency. If you're not in control of your mind, it's gonna impact how you control your body. So if you've got stuff going on between the ears, you're not fully control of your extremities as a result. And if you're not in control of the extremities, you can't maximize the objective. Whether that's throwing a ball, catching a ball, swinging the bat is that, would you agree with that?

Troy Jones

I agree 100%.

PSP

That's got me thinking now because one thing I think about is the guys in leagues who are getting traded or who move to different teams in free agency 'cause what happens is it's no longer about the job on the field of play in isolation. They also have to think about moving cities, new teams, new people to deal with and that can impact the mentals.

Troy, is there anything that your coach can assist with, perhaps with the external stuff that goes beyond the field of play that impacts what's going on between the ears?

Troy Jones

Yeah. Sure. We spend most of your time there. There is no elite athlete without, it is not just physical. And I think that's the mistake that most people who watch elite sports believe. They think this people are just so overly talented that that's why they play at that level. It's not, you can be really talented, but that's only one part of the equation. You have to be mentally strong. Like I said, you have to weaponize your mental approach. And that's all supported by your routine.

You have to have a, a championship routine, meaning you've built your routine based on who you are and you've gotten to know who you are and you've become a student of movement. The things that you do well, the things that you don't do well, and you've learned to make your body resilient so you can go out there and compete. There's no neuro guarding or you're not trying to avoid, certain positions that.

Sometimes become unavoidable because of competition that you might find yourself in, but you're safe enough to be able to make and contort your body to make that beautiful play because you've exposed yourself to it in training in a safe way to where there's no guardian in a competitive way when it counts. Mm-hmm.

PSP

Mm-hmm.

Troy Jones

Okay.

PSP

Okay. You grew up in Maryland, right?

Troy Jones

yes, right.

PSP

Baltimore. I love that city. I love me. Some old bay love me, some seafood, crabs, everything about the city of Baltimore.

Troy Jones

You been there. You talk about Old Bay. You been there.

PSP

Yes. I went to Oreo Park at Camden Yards last year with my buddy Adam. Shout out to Adam. He has a good home run call, by the way. We'll get onto that later in the discussion. But Baltimore is a really great city, and it's just down the highway from DC. I guess that's probably the DMV actually. What is the DMV? Help me out please.

Troy Jones

DMV is Delaware, Maryland, and Virginia. But you called it DMV, but do not, do not. Tell them in person that they all one of the same because they will argue you down. You. That's an insult. 'cause everyone's totally different

PSP

Mm-hmm.

Troy Jones

they will remind you that I'm not from there. Now they will say DMV, when they're not. In the area when they're like in other places of the USA or around the world, they would say DMV. But when they're home, they will never say that down. Even from Baltimore to DC they don't claim the same things. They don't claim each other. They are totally different. The way they speak, the way they dress, the way they approach everything to the music they listen to. It's totally different.

PSP

Yeah. Okay. I will make that mistake again.

Troy Jones

No, we can, we're not there. So we can talk about DMV and when you're DMV, when you're outside of the area, you can say DMV, but when they there, they don't identify with one another only when they're outside of the area. It's the weirdest thing, man. It is weird. yeah, I hear that now coming from Baltimore, will you dig into the Baltimore House scene? Yeah, yeah. You definitely, you've been there.

Yeah. Baltimore house growing up, my kind of my generation was the one that really made the house music a thing and like for example, in DC the music is Go-Go. You ever, did you hear the go-go music? It sounds like they're playing on trash games for this.

PSP

I didn't hear it when I was down in DC but I know that Washington DC's G League team is called the ca City. Go-Go. And I believe that is a play on the Go-Go music scene.

Troy Jones

Yes. Yep. They play that Gogo music, Baltimore plays the house music. It is totally two different sounds and they both claim it's the best.

PSP

Understandable, two different sounds and I'm definitely not touching that debate. Next time I'm going down to Baltimore and DC I'm gonna enjoy the music, enjoy the Oreos, enjoy the food, and I will not talk about the d and v.

Troy Jones

Yeah, the Virginia people, they'll tell you real quick, they got this thing about zip codes down there. I'll tell you No, I'm from 7, 5, 7. You're like, okay, that's fine. I don't even know where that's at in Virginia, but, okay. But they, they, it is, it's just, they're funny, man. I, I, I, I love home. It's just a melting pot. But they remind you they're, they're not the same.

PSP

Yep. I hear that there's nothing like home cooking. Now, Troy, do you get to head home during the season or are you largely planted in Toronto?

Troy Jones

Not much. Between being on the road with Toronto and and at home or being on the road, I don't get a chance to go home unless we go play Baltimore. And then I can actually bounce in there and see family and friends. But this time of the year it becomes kind of tough. I probably don't get a chance to go. Maybe later this year I'll get a chance to, and I then when the season ends, but even in off season's, very short-lived. You know, I have NFL too after that.

So it's adapting to being on the road. It's something that I like and something that I actually wanted to do, but it definitely has this days where it can become challenging and it comes into that mental aspect. It's like you, you ask for this, so you need to be grateful for it. And you need to figure out other ways to stay positive on those days that your feelings tell you otherwise, and then understanding that your feelings are temporary.

You know, I, I'm a man of faith, so I always say, you, yes, you, you, you lead your heart. You don't follow it because feelings will betray you. And we live in a world today now where everybody's telling you, oh, identify your feelings,

PSP

Mm-hmm.

Troy Jones

embrace your feelings. I'm like, no, that's wrong. That's why you got so many people needing therapy. Because they need to understand the truth behind their feelings. That their feelings aren't real. They're te, I mean they are real, but they're temporary.

PSP

It's situational, it's a moment in time.

There are going to be times where you might feel down and that's normal. As long as you don't stay there, get back up again eventually, and I'm gonna piggyback off what you said before. I believe that we aren't brought to situations just to be in said situation. We're brought to a moment to get through that moment. You know what I'm saying? It's all part of the journey.

Troy Jones

Absolutely. It goes back to what I said about that Chinese proverb of yin and yang. You need failure. In order to achieve success, you need, they, they feed off one another. That's how you learn. That's how you improve. Yep.

PSP

And you're involved in baseball, a sport where if you are hitting three out of 10, that's elite. Those are elite numbers.

Troy Jones

That's, that's elite. That's Hall of Fame.

PSP

mm-hmm.

Troy Jones

But it just shows you that the level. The level of, of competition and competitive, even down to football. You look at football, right? So you say a wide receiver. Wide receiver catches eight passes in the game. That's, that's elite. He had a great game.

PSP

Mm-hmm.

Troy Jones

routes did he run that game? He probably ran if there's 60, 70 offensive snaps. If many routes, did he actually have to run to get eight catches? Maybe 40, maybe even 50 if it's a, wide open offense, but he ain't shotgun the whole game, so, and it's, you look at our running back, for example, he, he averages four, four yards of carry. He's pretty good. Four to five yards of carry. He is pretty good. That's not that far, but he gets the ball 20, 25 times a game.

The average 3, 4, 5 yards of carrying is cumulative over time. It's the same thing, you know? And it is, people seem to think that the elite level of sports, that everybody's, and one of the problems with U Sports is they think everybody's supposed to always be a successful, in this, this massive way of you are always supposed to drop 30 on the court, or you are always supposed to go four for four, and if you're not, then you're not good at what you do and things of that magnitude.

And you got these kids that get frustrated and depressed and all these things because they expectations of being successful needs to be. Taught the correct way and how to embrace failure and how, again, I always like to say weaponize it, to use it to continually grow. That's the strategy that should be taught because it's a lifelong journey of development. What you do at 10 or 12 years old? It don't matter till you get to 17, 18 when you get ready to leave high school. Yep.

PSP

Now, hold on for a second. Troy. You follow basketball, right? cause you've raised a good point here. cause I know a lot about the a U situation in America. Some of these kids have been put on pedestals and parents will get stuck into coaches if they're not getting the minutes. Actually, a lot of sports is like that nowadays. I wanted to highlight basketball 'cause a lot of these kids. Going to high school with these highest expectations.

At the same time, you're seeing guys coming from Europe, other parts of the world, and they're playing in the NBA, and it's like they've already gone through failure. They're more battle hardened than some of these guys. They're coming through the American system. How do you feel about that?

Troy Jones

Hmm. Good, good question. Honest answer. Yeah. The world has caught up with USA in a major way because of work ethic and commitment to improvement over time. And you see basketball, you go back all the way back to the dream team days. I. To where basketball now, you know, to say the best players in the world didn't come from USA back in those days would've been crazy. He would look to the person, think he was fine. You've lost your mind. Now you can easily count.

On one hand, the best players in the world might be just one or two of those guys might be from the states, everybody else might be from around the world. And that's really based upon. The work ethic and the commitment to improvement over the course of their young athlete career is to the point of where it mattered. They just continually work to get better and. They spent more time developing than they did competing.

I'm not saying competition is not needed, but at a certain age, a certain age point, you don't need to play all year round. You need to work on developing your body, your mental and your physical, and within that approach to the game itself or the sport of choice, you also need to be a little bit more diverse.

Experiencing multiple sports to move on multiple planes, which develops overall athleticism because you become one dimensional in regards to repetitiveness, and you start getting these overuse injuries at 11, 12 years old that you got, you were 28 to 30 years old. After being a pro for six or seven, eight years, that's another problem because it's people are too busy worried about the wrong things and being successful at 10 more so than being successful at 20. You're not making no money at 10.

It's just a conversation piece. I more so care about how I develop that young person in preparation. What's to come later on in life? 'cause that's what matters to me.

PSP

Yes, and that's the thing. That's why playing sports is so important, in my opinion, whether you become a professional or not. It's the teamwork aspect. It's being fit and learning how to overcome adversity, it's life, how to deal with these situations.

Troy Jones

It's life. It's life. They used to call us back in the day, they used to call dumb jocks. 'cause those who weren't athletic, they used to say, oh well we weren't good for anything else. Not realizing that life. And sports were one and one. Sports was a roadmap for life. You can take those lessons that you do in a team environment and sports and carry it over as some, as something that could help you navigate life.

The problem is the appreciation for development in act in actuality, or what the definition of being an athlete really is, has been lost. In the states anyway, not gonna say around the world, in the States. And that's one of the distinguishing differences on why the world is actually caught up with the states and are still continuing to catch up base best baseball players in the world, not from the states anymore.

Best basketball players in the world are not just from the states anymore, you know, you know, hockey. We are never the best in the world. We got some talented players, but you know, we still got a ways to go hockey, soccer, not even close. So I mean.

We're not as dominant as we used to be, and that's probably our own fault as a country in changing our pro, culture or getting back to the culture that helped us fall in love with competitive sports in general, which is that fact that we just wanted to develop.

PSP

Coach fallen in love with this conversation. Where can our audience find out more about you and your work?

Troy Jones

I have a website that needs to be updated though, but it's coach@coachtroyjones.com. I'm also on Instagram at Coach Troy Jones's, coach, I think it's Coach Troy Jones as well. And my contact information is on there. You can email mail me at coach@coachtroyjones.com. I'll say that one more time 'cause everybody gets confused. Is Coach. At coach troy jones.com and then you, if you've got questions, just wanna talk shot, shoot me out an email. Be glad. I'm always an open book.

PSP

Fantastic. Tony, this has been a great chat, but before I let you get out of here, you came from Baltimore. You're now in Toronto. One thing that links the two cities at the moment is a hitter by the name of Anthony Santander. You may have heard of him. One of my guys actually has a home run call for the current Blue Jays slugger, Tony Taters. I'm gonna share it with you, so gimme one moment. Santa is coming to town. How'd it go?

Troy Jones

Yeah, I know who that is.

PSP

Yeah, that's

Troy Jones

Yeah.

PSP

Adam.

Troy Jones

So how'd he go? What man said yo, did you say ho, ho, ho. Tony Tatu coming to town. Okay. Not bad. I don't do it as good as him, but

PSP

But yeah, Yeah, the Adam version is the original. It's like Old Bay. It can't be imitated. You have to get it straight from the source. You have to go straight from Maryland to get the original old Bay, and it's the best. Can't be imitated. But

Troy Jones

for sure. Troy,

PSP

Troy, we really appreciate your time.

Troy Jones

No problem at all. Thank you

PSP

All the best for the rest of the season.

Troy Jones

I appreciate it.

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