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Print Run Podcast

Erik Hane and Laura Zatswww.printrunpodcast.com
Print Run is a podcast created and hosted by Laura Zats and Erik Hane. Its aim is simple: to have the conversations surrounding the book and writing industries that too often are glossed over by conventional wisdom, institutional optimism, and false seriousness. We’re book people, and we want to examine the questions that lie at the heart of that life: why do books, specifically, matter? In a digital world, what cultural ground does book publishing still occupy? Whether it’s trends in the queries from writers that hit our inboxes or the social ramifications of an industry that pays so little being based in Manhattan, we’re here for it. Probably to laugh at it and call it names, but here for it nonetheless. Print Run is the happy-hour conversation after a long day at a catalog launch; it’s the bottle of wine you drink most of on a Tuesday when the manuscripts are no good. We’re for writers, for publishers, for anyone who’s opened a book and wanted to know—really know—what goes into getting the damn thing made. Join us. We’ll talk about the worst sex scene we’ve ever read and wonder aloud about how millennials will affect the books of the future. We’ll figure out why Jonathan Franzen wants to replace your child with a penguin and whether or not that penguin will be buying hardcovers when he grows up.
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Episodes

Episode 89—Welcome To Another Year Of Books

Happy new year, everyone! On the first Print Run of 2019, We take a look at the year ahead by going through what we’re excited about in the book world, what we’re scared of, predictions, and resolutions. We’ll make it a great year in which certainly nothing will ever happen that makes us mad at all!

Jan 08, 201941 min

Episode 88—Print Run Holiday Gift Guide 2018!

Folks, it’s that time of year again. After a riveting new edition of everyone’s favorite Australia-themed segment What’s Going On Down There, we get into some gift suggestions for the Print Run fan in your life. This obviously ranges from the genuinely useful (electric tea kettle!) to the—uh, less so. Anyway, join us for a loose and fun episode that’s sure to warm the cold recesses of your frozen heart.

Dec 11, 201844 min

Episode 87—Scandal Makers

As we come back from a few weeks off, we spent this episode getting caught up on all the times people in the book world got mad recently, including the Nora Roberts-Tomi Adeyemi kerfuffle (and spinoff argument!), a poet who tattooed a plagiarized verse on her forearm, and people getting mad at JK Rowling for—let’s see here—having a room in which she writes. So basically it’s another normal week of publishing!!!!!! We also get to Jonathan Franzen’s ten rules for writing novels, which were, well. ...

Dec 04, 201851 min

Episode 86—Trial and Error

This week we pay respects to Marvel Comics’ Stan Lee, who died this week at age 95. Then we get into one of the most pervasive yet undiscussed topics in all of publishing: failure. Trying things that don’t work is the signature trait of nearly every facet of the industry, and yet it’s so rarely brought to light in the way successes understandably are. We talk about how failure has informed our respective approaches to agenting, and how working in the industry can feel like its own sort of creati...

Nov 13, 201856 min

Episode 85—The Celebs are At It Again

Folks . . . The celebs, there are so many. This week--after digging into a delightful historical episode of a book-theft epidemic in Australia—we explore the concept of celebrity book clubs and their effect on the publishing industry. How does the desire to land a book with Oprah or Reese Witherspoon or Jimmy Fallon change how certain projects get published? And what do those celebrities get, brand-wise, in return? We also look at how tech like Instagram and even newer platforms like Twitch have...

Nov 06, 201852 min

Episode 84—Red Dead Novel Writing Month

This week, after working through our thoughts on National Novel Writing Month (happy writing, everyone!), we discuss the intriguing critical response to the video game “Red Dead Redemption 2.” Apart from it being widely loved, people are specifically enjoying how difficult and tedious it is in spots--is this still an experience readers have with particularly large or difficult books? We talk about the differences between playing and reading, and wonder if seeing games as texts might be able to i...

Oct 30, 201859 min

Episode 83—Post-Wedded Bliss

We’re back! Fresh off the both of us having our respective weddings, we get caught up quickly on the last few weeks of publishing news before diving into the topic of creative and literary burnout. When someone working in a creative field is feeling low energy, how might that affect their habits, or their reading tastes, or even the types of projects they choose to work on? In publishing, taste is a public matter; when yours changes, it can be tricky to grapple with that out loud, in front of th...

Oct 23, 201856 min

Episode 82—Awards and Canons

We’ve got freshly announced National Book Award and Man Booker finalist lists to discuss, so we give our impressions on what we’re seeing, how these lists relates to the broad Book Conversation that’s been happening throughout the year, and how we feel the winners might shake out. It offers a nice foundation for our other topic, a look at a recent attempt by NYMag/Vulture to create an early twenty-first century canon. The task is obviously impossible, but we talk about their methodology, and sha...

Sep 24, 20181 hr 1 min

Episode 81—The Machine Made Me Do It

This week, we found a very strange new “writing residency” model that, while obviously dangerous in this instance, we feel could crop up more and more. The sheer precarity of the writing life is going to lead to different institutions offering “solutions” that at first might seem attractive, but must be watched closely. Also, in light of two book-tech-related stories from the past couple weeks, we make a simple request: don’t let creators of sales algorithms and other digital publishing technolo...

Sep 20, 201850 min

Episode 80—Hedging Bets

This week, after swatting another terrible article about YA literature out of the sky, we talk about the perceived moral stands publishers are able with regard to “controversial” authors. Publishers often wait until the most obviously lucrative moment to support marginalized authors and their projects, and also refuse to cut bait with toxic authors until the last possible instant, when their hand becomes forced. How do morality clauses let publishers hedge their bets while still claiming a suppo...

Sep 10, 201850 min

Episode 79—To Loon It May Concern

This week we debut our new advice-column segment, where we try get a handle on the messiest book situations our listeners have found themselves in. We’ve got some critique-group quandaries this week, which felt like a good place to start. Also: please, please send us your messiest, stupidest, and most dramatic publishing-related qualms! Email the bird. Let the healing in. Special episodes for the month will all be out by end of this week (still August, baby!). As always, you can send us material...

Aug 30, 201850 min

Episode 78—Soap, Crimes, and Deckled Edges

Laura’s back from WorldCon, so we catch up by talking about all sorts of things, from the convention itself and the YA “soap controversy,” to the dangers of grifty politics books and everyone’s favorite book design feature, the deckled edge. A fun, free-flowing episode in which we’re mostly just happy to be back in the studio!

Aug 22, 201852 min

Episode 77—Call and Response

On the heels of recent publishing news as well as the response to NYT’s hiring of Sarah Jeong, this week’s show focuses on a phenomenon that is only going to get more common: bad-faith mobs appealing to power in an attempt to have writers or artists fired. We talk about how publishers and magazines should be prepared to respond to this sort of pernicious internet campaign, and how developing those responses is going to be key in the effort to publish essential voices in the modern age. Also incl...

Aug 07, 201852 min

Episode 76—The One With the Curry Recipe

This week, in the deepest valley of the summer doldrums, we mostly just catch up and talk about various things on our agenting plates: what we’re reading, how summer work in publishing is going, becoming a crusty lake monster in a canoe, and plenty more. Meandering and fun, because it’s hot out. Also, Laura gives a delightful curry recipe, which got inserted into this episode because . . . Because we just really think curry is delicious, and no possible reason other than that. Happy cooking!

Jul 31, 201858 min

Episode 75—Something Rotten

We dig into this week’s allegations of fraud in the agent world, as well as the problems with this year’s WorldCon. Both topics serve as a means of asking a larger question: on the front end of publishing, what are all our structures actually built on? The truth is that, between agents and authors looking to pair up before any publishing money gets involved, so much of this industry runs on integrity and trust. That presents opportunities, but it also makes the writing world susceptible to fraud...

Jul 26, 201857 min

Print Run RPG: Character Creation!

Welcome, at long last, to Print Run’s first foray into Call of Cthulhu! In this preview episode, the two of us set the stage by creating the characters we’ll use to play through the game. In a revelation that will shock no one, it turns out Intern Kevin has a bunch of useless knowledge and no functional ability whatsoever. Meanwhile, Jane seems to have a ruthless combination of ambition and skill. For the game itself, be sure to check us out on Patreon! Thanks so much for listening; we love tryi...

Jul 17, 201819 min

Episode 74 — Escapism vs. Activism

This week, we tackle a fundamental question of the writing life in our current political moment: should writing fiction help us escape realities for a while, or should it offer thoughtful engagement? The answer as always is layered and nuanced and multifold. We also answer a listener question about personal responsibility with regard to Amazon: if Amazon provides the best publishing route for a writer’s career, is it okay to take that route? The answer is yes, but it opens all sorts of interesti...

Jul 03, 201850 min

A Note on Funds for Kid Lit Says No Kids in Cages

Just an abbreviated discussion this week, because you guys gave us so much to do! We are incredibly heartened by how much money you all raised for organizations fighting child separation on the border. You came together and raised nearly $1500, which is no small feat. Now we’ve gotta go do the query critiques in return, so this week is just a quick chat on how political issues like this should absolutely be directly addressed by the book publishing community. Thank you so much for you donations!

Jun 26, 201818 min

Episode 73—Speculation on the Speculative

This week’s show takes a look at the subtle differences between categories like literary science fiction/fantasy and speculative fiction, first in terms of craft and then in terms of selling category. What we find is that those two spheres are separate: the way an author envisions their own work often doesn’t line up with how it’s sold. So what makes a story with speculative or otherworldly elements “literary” or “SFF,” and how does that affect its writing, its readers, and the way it’s pitched ...

Jun 19, 201851 min

Episode 72—What About the Money

This week we tackle an underlying, often silent argument put forth to writers by many different parties in publishing: that the money one might get from writing books should be considered unsustainable and an afterthought. How does this strange yet common thinking affect the industry as a whole, and how does it affect authors in less stable financial situations? Does it change the way an agent approaches the career-planning aspect of working with a client? It’s a convo about the strange ways the...

Jun 12, 201844 min

Episode 71—One Weird Trick

Goodreads released a fascinating article about how the team behind Celeste Ng’s Little Fires Everywhere used the site to fuel the book’s rise to the bestseller list, so we dig into it and examine what surprised us about the data, what might be replicable for other books, and how tools like Goodreads work in conjunction with other publicity and marketing strategies in publishing. We also give an excellent recap of BookExpo (we uhhhh weren’t there), and spend a minute on that new Clinton/Patterson...

Jun 05, 201850 min

Episode 70—At the Top of Our Voice

This week we hash out the latest updates to #cockygate, because Book Twitter will never stop and neither will we. We also spend some time on the major embezzlement case coming from Chuck Palahniuk’s agency; it’s a bizarre situation that once again leaves an agency’s authors footing the bill. Also, all of Erik’s queries are from David Brooks fans now, which he is THRILLED about. Join us!

May 30, 201846 min

Episode 69—The Publishing Ecosystem

In light of Romantic Times closing, we talk about how certain publishing institutions come to occupy indispensable spaces within the publishing community, and how part of moving the industry forward will involve understanding how those spaces work and adapting accordingly. It’s a convo about the roles we each play within the larger system, and what those roles can tell us about how we should imagine them in the future. Join us!

May 22, 201854 min

Episode 68—Publishing D&D

Things get a bit off the rails this week when a conversation about tabletop gaming eventually turns into us imagining what a publishing-themed D&D campaign might look like! Join us as we conjure up some characters and quests—I get to be Intern Kevin, I called it—and just generally get way too into the idea of a publishing RPG. (But also please will someone set this up with us?) In a more productive vein, be sure to tune in for our special episodes this month on Patreon. If you’d like to subm...

May 15, 201856 min

Episode 67—Cocky

We’re back and thank goodness, because tons has happened in the book world over the last couple weeks. First, we tackle the serious stuff—the latest set of abuse allegations against literary figures, including those leading to the cancellation of the 2018 Nobel Prize for literature. But then we take on the latest book-themed crackpot scheme: #cockygate, or one author’s attempt to trademark the word “cocky” and demand that all other authors cease and desist. It’s . . . Well, it’s really something...

May 08, 201849 min

Episode 66 — Vinegar Hearts

This week—after spending a couple minutes chatting about the insanity of the dumb fight about misandry in publishing—we take a look at the recent industry conversation surround Pitch Wars and entrance fees. The debate last week led to all kinds of important questions: What’s access, and why is it crucial for it to be free? What’s labor, and who should do the compensating for it? And perhaps most importantly, what do the two sides of the argument reveal about the state of the industry at the gras...

Apr 10, 201849 min

Episode 65 — Branding is Being

This week, we talk about Sean Penn’s deeply terrible debut novel, and give him the First Pages Show treatment—it’s very cathartic. We also discuss the implications of Microsoft cracking down on explicit content across its online platforms, which includes Office, which means it includes writers. Finally: what should we make of the response to the distribution plan for John Oliver’s book, and what does the rift between Chronicle and booksellers reveal about the state of the industry?

Apr 03, 201847 min

Episode 64 — The OCTOCOM

This week we present a heartwarming tale about the time when stupid college-aged Erik thought he had a TV agent for a script about an octopus. It’s . . . well it’s really something, and most importantly, he’s not the idiot he used to be! Join us this week for some story time and other chatting on a free-flowing and fun episode.

Mar 27, 201845 min

Episode 63—The Novel is Dead Now, Everyone Go Home

This week, we get some laughs in about Will Self's belief that the novel is dying as an art form, share some stories of good and bad book events, briefly discuss the John Oliver-Mike Pence book kerfuffle, and have a quick conversation about publishers favoring brand-name authors over debuts. A cheerful episode, so come join us! Also sorry in advance for the Ben Shapiro impression, it's . . . it's really something.

Mar 21, 201848 min

Episode 62—Self on the Shelf

We're back! This week we talk about the new "Kent Test" for evaluating diverse representation in books, and then broaden out to discuss what effects things like the Bechdel Test have on our discussions about art. We also debate what moral responsibility authors should have when a press becomes "toxic," (hint: not that much), and then gripe about what books go on a display bookshelf because at the end of the day, dear listener, we are petty people. Join us!

Mar 13, 20181 hr 5 min
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